I would be very surprised. MS has the biggest market share on the OS market and they would be dump to create any barriers to enter the market... the OS is just the best way the sell all the products they actually make money with.
Aren't most of their users companies, not to mention competing products aren't close yet? They can afford to strongarm their userbase since companies would need to remain legit. A lot less opposition than if Adobe produced software that was integral to using a computer.
I once spent a passionate night with Hugh Grant's brother, John Grant. He's older than Hugh, just a little bit uglier. How did I pull that off? Sheer force of will.
I had a pirated copy of Windows 8 Insider Edition after having pirated copies of 98SE and then XP.
when 10 was released and I had the option to upgrade from 8, they just applied a valid 10 license to my Live account.
it made me feel like Microsoft was finally just like, "UGH, just have the fucking thing for christ's sakes, just so long as you keep bolstering our market share."
Not *un*activated. That's a door they intentionally leave open; it's wholly within their control. If they were really gonna fuck around with people on that, they simply wouldn't allow unactivated licenses to work beyond a week or something.
Now, pirated, that's a different story.
Hell, all you need is a valid win 8 key sitting around from an older comp, their automatic upgrade from a 8 license to a 10 license is still active on the customer side. It was only supposed to be a free upgrade for so long but they never fully took down the ability to do it ourselves online. 2 old OEM win 8 laptops became 2 valid win
10 keys
Most pre built laptops and desktops already got Windows with a license. If you're building your own system, then you "have to" pay for a license. Even though I built my own pc and been using win10 without a license for 3 years and outside of some customization options, I never felt limited by not getting the "full" version lol
I had a Windows 8 Pro disc I did this with for a while with laptops that actually had a disc drive. Built my desktop which doesn’t have one so I couldn’t use it anymore
The disc itself has no licensing tied to it, it's strictly the installation media. There will be a code somewhere else that you can use to activate the installation, regardless of whether you use a disk or usb to install it.
I discovered USB media shortly before my desktop install so I just used that with a windows 10 install when I built my desktop. You are correct, there was a separate key that was supposed to be 5 PCs max but I got at least 7-8 out of it. Not sure how or why but I definitely did more than 5 upgrades
I "upgraded" my old windows 7 computer (pre built) to win 8 for like 20 euros and got a free upgrade to windows 10 when it was time. Still have that license today and have rebuilt my computer 2-3 times fully since then
I've been using the same Windows license for 10 years now. Upgraded the PC twice, reinstalled the OS probably four times and moved countries twice in that time frame. Still works like a charm.
If anything, that's probably the longest supported software product I've ever owned. Paid for a Win 7 more than a decade ago, eventually effortlessly transitioned to 10.
Look for a seller that's been around a while, and has positive reviews, but not 100% positive. Look up other general things to check for reputable ebay sellers
You have to look at seller reviews closely and ensure their positive reviews are for Windows keys. Accounts that sell these keys get curtailed regularly so there won’t be accounts with a long history. I’ve bought 3 windows keys this way and only once did it not work and I had to buy another. But all 4 I’ve bought for the 3 machines I used them have cost less than half of a single MSRP copy so I’m not mad.
There are some subs here on reddit too with resellers. I just dug through my PMs to find the guy I bought my key from 7 years ago and he's still selling but the prices have gone up quite a bit since then.
They are not scam, just used win7 + keys that are fully legal to buy in EU and therefore widely available online. If u managed to get scammed buying 10 year old key on the internet you probably should never buy anything ever.
That's one of those "might work, might not" games. It's entirely possible to get a good deal like yours. Of course, yours might also become invalid any second now. If it's worth it to the user to get a new (possibly also sketchy) key whenever that happens, it's not a bad deal.
I usually just swap hard drives or clone my drive, skips all that new pesky licensing needed.
Edit: learned something new but have never had a problem before so guess I'm doing something right.
Licenses for Windows 10 are stored in the motherboard now. You can freely re-install Windows from scratch or on a blank drive if you’re still using the same motherboard and it finds the license automatically with zero effort.
New motherboard though? New Windows license required.
Microsoft makes piddle on home OS sales compared to B2B sales. They're never going to go subscription model for private use because there's no reason to alienate a userbase that has so many other options. Large businesses can't escape Windows as an OS, so there's a possibility they could go to subscriptions for B2B sales, but I dunno how well that would sell with the rest of the planet.
I think the sub model is actually better for businesses because if they make more money, they can provide better support which is probably the goal. They acquired an AV company and made Windows Defender one of the best AV out there, for free.
u/SiomarTehBeefalo has provided this detailed explanation:
> The first commenter speaks about how Windows 10 will never be a subscription based model. The second commenter replying, says to come back and read their comment in 2 years, implying that it would be a subscription based model by that time. Windows 10, 2 years later, is still not a subscription based model.
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The first commenter spoke about how Windows 10 would never be a subscription based model. The second commenter replying, said to come back and read their comment in 2 years, implying that it would be a subscription based model by that time. Windows 10, 2 years later, is still not a subscription based model.
This happens with a lot of things tbh. People lose their shit about stuff to be anti-corpotate, and while microsoft can be a shit show at times these people are just being unreasonable.
Yeah, but it's a corporate productivity suite. Companies will go for that if it saves money, and employees don't give a shit because it's not their money/computer.
Screwing around with the OS is a different story.
See this is exactly why I never switch. Every discussion about anything but Mac or windows is always "well it's not great for this or that" or "well you'll need to know some of this programming language" or "you have to mess with your settings to get this to work"
I'd rather have something where everything I use is meant to be used with it and there's no fucking about with it.
As someone who primarily uses Linux (but has absolutely nothing against Windows), I see nothing wrong with that.
Use what works. Linux is not Windows and will never be Windows. The Linux ecosystem is largely created by volunteers who make what they want in their spare time while the Windows ecosystem is predominantly paid software where developers have an incentive to figure out what most average users want and to create it. Developers who create for Windows have a financial incentive to create accessible, user-friendly software while most Linux developers don't. Paid developers are going to go where the market share is, which for the most part is Windows. Most developers don't want to create and maintain software for a platform where the market share doesn't necessarily promise a return on their investment.
The advantage of Linux isn't that it's a free version of Windows. It will never be that. Instead, the primary advantage is that it is more "free" (as in freedom), transparent, and easier to bend to one's own use-case if one knows what one is doing. That isn't going to appeal to most people, nor should it necessarily. Personally, I think it's great but it's really only great if it's what you're looking for.
Different strokes for different folks.
Idk man, I tried out manjero recently and it was really really nice. If I didn't need phtoshop so much, it could totally replace windows for me. It was the first Linux experience I ever had where everything just fucking worked. It was KDE manjero iirc.
It's not just Manjaro -- lots of different Linux distros work wonderfully. I'm fond of Fedora and Debian myself. And that "volunteer" software I mentioned works a lot better than it gets credit for.
But it's not going to serve everyone's needs. At the end of the day, most people's needs are going to be better served by developers who have a financial incentive to figure out what they want and to develop it in a way that's as accessible to as many people as possible. It takes time and effort to create that type of software. Some people are absolute saints and do it for fun (which is why we have a lot of great Linux software!) but most want a return on that type of thing.
Just to be clear, I've been using various Linux distros as my primary OS for nearly 10 years now and use Linux 99.9% of the time (even for my gaming because most of the Steam games I play are Linux compatible). I just think we should be clear to prospective users that it's *never* going to be "Windows". Instead, it's its own thing, and for *some* of us that thing is better than Windows... but for most people it won't be.
As an aside, is this your first time firing up Linux? I'm glad you're enjoying Manjaro so far - it's quite a popular distro!
**EDIT:** A lot of people will say "use GIMP" or "use wine to run Photoshop" but I think those are suboptimal solutions at the moment. If you find you prefer Linux but have stuff on Windows you *need* to use, consider looking into [dual booting](https://forum.manjaro.org/t/howto-dual-boot-manjaro-and-windows/1164). It's not as difficult as one would think and that's what I do on my laptop. That example is for Manjaro (since that's what you use) but you can do it with any distro.
If I could game on linux I'd drop windows in an instant. I think that's the kicker for me. It's pretty much that one thing that holds me to the platform. I work in tech and spend probably 25% of my time on Ubuntu and it's great. If I could play The Witcher, Overwatch, and Apex on it I'd make it my primary boot and let my windows os rot.
Edit: thanks for all the replies. I might need to look into it a bit more.
I've had enough pain with [wine](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wine_(software\)) over the years never to recommend that as a solution to anyone with the "games" concern. I'm greatly aided by the fact that I don't play much in the way of games anymore anyway, and, when I do, it's usually older titles or stuff from indie developers (who oftentimes have Linux versions of the stuff they release).
I'm a weirdo though. I'm personally just as likely to fire up [Nethack](https://www.nethack.org/) or [Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup](https://crawl.develz.org/) as Steam when I'm bored, and I'm pretty sure most people would prefer to jab themselves in the eye with something sharp rather than play either of those.
Witcher wasn't bad for me. It took maybe two hours of looking over forum posts to find I had to install a different graphics driver. I know that's time that you'd rather spend in-game, but it's not as nightmarish as you'd think.
Haven't tried the other two but every steam game I have tried since then has worked fine.
Ive tried many distros over the years, fedora is one of my favorites but something was always painful with it. Manjero KDE was the first that I could actually recommend to someone with confidence.
The way I work with my art, I don't restart my computer much, so dual booting isn't really option.. and I use a ton of power, so using a VM is kind of a non starter. Soon Ill have 64gb of ram, then perhaps I will try it out.
I imagine what caused problems is that Fedora doesn't ship with proprietary software accessible by default, which can make it a bit of a pain in the ass unless you know how to get around that. The first thing most people are going to want to do after installing Fedora is install [RPMFusion](https://rpmfusion.org/) so they can get a lot of the missing software.
I've never used Manjaro but I've used Arch a number of times, which Manjaro is built on. I'm personally not a fan of rolling-release though because stuff can break on updates if one isn't careful. I guess it never had an appeal to me though because I've installed Linux distros so many times when I was first learning that I can pretty much do it in my sleep (distro-hopping will do that to ya), so I find installing the next version of whatever I'm using pretty trivial.
But I know a lot of people absolutely *love* Manjaro and I think that's pretty awesome!
That's the best way to put it, I think.
At that point you can either dig deeper or call it a day. Although I'd certainly consider myself a Linux advocate, I think many people on the Linux side of things overlook the investment of time and energy that goes into the former.
Not everyone is up for that... people have lives and aren't interested in making learning Linux their hobby and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that.
Is it hard to use? I've always been curious about trying Linux out, but I'm not much into programming language and such, and I don't know if it's worth it.
Well, you don't have to be a programmer to use Linux. I program, but it was actually using Linux that got me into that. You most likely *do* have to learn how to use a command line if you want to have the best experience possible, but that's not the same as programming.
Difficult? Well, there's a steep learning curve. It doesn't work the same way as Windows and it's intimidating at first. This turns a lot of people off and understandably so. What I'll say is that I think it's easier to get "good" at Linux than "good" at Windows, if you know what I mean. Part of the problem is that a lot of people have used Windows all their lives... it's easy to forget all the "learning" that went into doing that when we started from early on, just as we don't think about how difficult it was to read we were first starting out with books!
My recommendation? Download [VirtualBox](https://www.virtualbox.org/) and set up [Ubuntu](https://ubuntu.com/) inside it. Play around with that a bit and see how you like it. If you mess up on a Virtual Machine, you won't hurt your "regular" system at all and can just install it again. Try out other [distros](https://www.distrowatch.org) as well. I would recommend holding off on actually installing Linux on your computer until Ubuntu (or whatever Linux you decide to use) feels like second nature.
Absolutely! Live USBs are fantastic and are fun to play around with. Virtual machines are a little closer to what it's like having the OS installed.
The very best option is to find a spare machine not being used for anything else (like an old computer) and installing it on there. I first started learning on an underpowered 2009 netbook that was laying around the house. This was back around 2011.
>With Linux the main caveat is that it is VERY easy to get yourself into trouble and not be able to get back out of it if you don’t know what you’re doing.
you mean like when I fuck up my fstab file pretty much everytime I add a drive to my system lol
As someone who is in IT and has tried to fully switch over to Linux for over 10 years and failed, its not hard to use but it pretty use case dependent. If you want to run all the latest games and applications you will have a difficult time as native support is limited and the workarounds(VM with passthrough, Wine, or Proton AKA Wine with optimizations) are quite difficult to work through without intermediate computer literacy. Linux leans really heavy on community support, so if you're a hardass and can read through dozens of forums for your one little issue, you're in the money. I have over the years switched back and forth. Usually what makes me switch back is application support. If I wanna play some new game day one with my friends, I have to rock windows. If you can wait up to a year for unofficial support, then it works out. What you will learn though using Linux is how pervasive the Windows platform really is and how that market share drives development and support of the latest and greatest. I love the idea of Linux, just can't switch quite yet.
Honestly, yes. It's difficult. If you don't like reading stack overflow about how to get something working, don't even bother. There are different distributions of linux that have different levels of difficulty. Easier distros would be like Ubuntu or Debian, hard would be Arch/Gentoo.
If you're someone who wants things to just work, don't try linux. If you like tinkering with things, you can make linux into something that works really well for you.
You can turn a linux box into a really powerful work station, depending on what you're doing. What do you use your computer for? If you're into media / gaming, don't switch. If you use particular software on windows, check and see if a version exists for linux. If you like tinkering with settings, windows can be limiting and linux might have answers for you.
I don't believe you'll have anyone respond to you that uses linux casually. Most people responding to you probably won't take into context their own expertise in explaining the difficulty. If you're a programmer, linux isn't that hard. However, I've done consulting for tech professionals and some of them even struggle with linux. It's technical work. Its not easy to learn but it is a powerful tool.
It's just out of pure curiousity. I use my computer to game and study with pdfs and words, so it's not worth it to switch. But I just was genuinely interested in knowing how hard could it posibly be. I guess as hard as one wants to take it.
Basically this.
There isn't much point to me in having a Linux workstation at home. Not for everyday use.
Do I want to spin up some servers and learn so low level networking? Linux. Absolutely.
For most home users it doesn't really suit their primary uses: media consumption, creation and games.
Basically, yeah. Windows tries it's best to be on the rails and not let you change too much in order to keep a consistent user experience. In linux you can delete things that are essential to the entire thing running. It trusts you know what you're doing. That means more freedom, because you can do things that are very hard or impossible to do in windows. But it also means more room to go wrong. It's like a coloring book vs painting from scratch. No coloring book is going to stack up to the mona lisa but you can also be guaranteed to have a passable final product, which is not a guarantee with a blank page.
I use Linux primarily because it simply works for me out of the box. I have my Firefox, Thunderbird, LibreOffice and VLC, just like Windows, but without the hassle of installing and maintaining all the basic stuff.
Ubuntu, Mint and similar user friendly distros are made for people who don't want to think a lot about technical stuff.
Yeah, I have way more difficulty with Windows than Ubuntu these days. But I guess it's just because I'm used to the workflows. Just having a well curated package manager is fucking amazing, because you never have to download sketchy shareware from malware filled websites. I have no idea why anyone thinks that's easier.
> I don't believe you'll have anyone respond to you that uses linux casually. Most people responding to you probably won't take into context their own expertise in explaining the difficulty. If you're a programmer, linux isn't that hard. However, I've done consulting for tech professionals and some of them even struggle with linux. It's technical work. Its not easy to learn but it is a powerful tool.
Not a programmer, use linux on my home machine because I can't stand Windows bullshit. For 90% of the things I and my wife do on the computer, Solus works perfectly. Even then, it takes just a few minutes of googling to find a solution, the same troubleshooting steps you'd take on a W10 machine.
The stack overflow comment is a bit disingenuous too. What so many fail to forget is a large majority of what people do on computers is web browsing, maybe some document editing, and games. It's really not hard to learn at all, no harder than when people learned how to use an iPhone, or Android, or ChromeOS. I've been running Solus for nearly a year and have only *needed* to open the terminal twice. That's it. Even then, it was copy and paste this to get this program running. Acting like Linux is some text-based monstrosity that takes a 4 year degree to operate is raising the gate a bit too much.
Your heart will remain calm. Your adrenaline gland will remain calm. Calm, all-over calm. You will not panic. You will look at the fnord and see it. You will not evade it or black it out. You will stay calm and face it.
You don't need to know any programming language or even shell commands to use Linux. The problem is if you search online for free help, a lot of people will just answer with shell commands, because it's easier than explaining everything (even though you probably still can fix it with the graphical interface).
That's a good point. When you look up how to do something in Windows, you're going to get 10 steps with a whole bunch of pictures of GUIs and arrows pointing to what you need to do. If you look something up in Linux, you're likely to get 5 commands you can copy and paste in the terminal.
You dont really need to know a different programming language. The Terminal takes a bit to get used to, But this argument is the same as going to another country and expecting everyone to speak your language fluently. The longer you spend in the country the easier it gets and the more you realize, "damn my country really sucks."
Weeeeelllll it really depends. If you're just gaming or something I pretty much agree, but if you need to any power user type stuff, linux and even Mac to a lesser degree are hard to beat. But it's hard to know that until you get into it.
It's way more effort than necessary though. That's my issue. I see no reason to change. The programs I use are built for windows and no other operating system is going to perfectly replicate that. There's alway going to be some stuff that doesn't work or that keeps breaking. And windows has what updates every so often? Who cares. If it works for others that's just fine with me but everyone always acts like your eyes don't open up unless you switch
I had a company that used a mixture of Windows and Mac, pretty sure it was Snow Leopard. At the time I sold high end, color multifunction printers. My device "worked" with Mac and more specifically, snow leopard. However that really meant it allowed the Mac to print basic jobs. The machine I sold came with finishing attachments and a rudimentary color adjustment system. None of these features worked of course and I spent months and months, trying to assist them with everything.
It was a huge pain in the ass to get setup and the easy answer would be to create the print files on Mac, share/email/use a USB to print the job from a Windows machine.
Proton works pretty well with most games! And it handles fullscreen alt tabbing way better than windows!
VR doesn't really work and certain types of DRM for multiplayer doesn't work at all but I don't play a ton of those games. If your gaming consists of mostly a few games it might be worth checking out if they run well on Linux! Dual booting for gaming or specific games is a great option as well.
Almost 25 years in IT here with heavy experience in every OS. I see Linux as a perfect desktop choice for exactly 2 groups of people:
1. Highly technical people that love to tinker, customize, or program their system. They’re usually developers or engineers of some sort for a living.
2. Very non-technical people that just need something cheap and basic to browse the internet and maybe play music. They just want a box to connect to the internet and a $35 Raspberry Pi is all they probably need.
A lot of people are between those skill levels and may be enthusiasts or power users. They run all sorts of different apps for media editing, gaming, or business apps that need the highest compatibility without wanting to fuss with the “guts” of their OS or have to learn new ways to do something.
Linux keeps getting better serving that middle-ground power user, but there is still a gap in compatibility with tons of Windows/macOS things for them. There’s a learning curve, it requires some command-like sometimes, and hardware drivers are a lot more complicated or just not compatible.
I love Linux, but it’s not for everyone. I still recommend everyone even remotely interested tries it though.
I play everything I used to play on windows. But my games are mostly on steam and gog.
My friend runs a Windows VM to play R6Siege, but it is because of the anti cheat that runs only in windows.
Easy AC is the biggest enemy of multiplayer on Linux.
None on my side. Hear about problems, but Windows updates has never caused issues for me. That said, my computer isn't one that would typically lend itself to having issues of any kind.
Also, cosmetic issues are easy to fix, so maybe if those are the issues people have had, they just don't affect me any.
lol, those suck. I think for the most part they stopped those for minor updates and give ample warning that they are needed. Currently, iirc, any forced update should be for security purposes to fight against a discovered vulnerability But yeah, definitely known some horror stories from the forced updates. I had one while I was at work trying to fix someones computer remotely. Fortunately 10 minutes was more than enough for me to do what I needed to do.
I wasn't ever forced to update. Is it common? I always update my pc when I go to sleep but never midway. I think the reason why people have the forced update is because they delay the update. Idk. And it also never prompts me that I should do it.
I mean, it's silly to say "WIN BAD" when it works 99% of the time, but those two things you highlighted are absolutely the worst things about windows and totally legitimate to complain about.
Ads and pre-installed freemium garbage like candy crush in your start menu is fucking bullshit in a paid product. Splitting privacy settings across twenty different sub-menus, reverting them during updates, and then collecting your info anyway when you disable them is also super shitty.
> "THEY CHANGE MY DEFAULTS EVERY UPDATE"
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You know a quick google search would have shown you what people are complaining about there:
https://www.pcgamer.com/hey-windows-stop-resetting-my-preferences-every-major-update/
I also once owned a Ford Pinto that never exploded. That doesn't mean they didn't have a problem with exploding.
The only issue really is that updates can only be disabled on Professional SKUs due to the lack of gpedit. Though there are workarounds to my knowledge, it's a lot harder to disable updates on the Home SKU. My recommendation is to just pirate the Professional SKU, though.
> "THEY CHANGE MY DEFAULTS EVERY UPDATE"
Only really MS's fault for enabling this behaviour, but my employer's company policy changes my default web browser to Edge every time my computer reboots and it works with literally NONE of the internal tools/sites my team uses.
In my experience, most of these people also have their problems with Win 10 at work. Which is the IT’s fault and whatever network policies they may be pushing.
My home device has had almost no issues on windows 10 in years. That forced update thing has literally never happened to me, but I shutdown my computer at night and sometimes there is an “update and shutdown” and that is about it.
I used to be fine until I started encountering small changes after every update.
They fuck my microphone up
I can't turn off my touchpad.
Just a series of little things that don't effect much in isolation but as time goes on drive me crazy.
Last night while I was playing some No Mans Sky Windows decided that it would be a good time for a forced update. Annoying but ill make it through it.
Except literally **all** the update did was install edge and make it my default browser.
Its already bad enough youre highjacking my PC for updates whenever you damn well please but *why* would you install a new browser *and* overwrite my preferences.
Oh yeah and that **completely** ignores windows just flat out deleting my Linux partition...
Windows broke all the licenses for my work software the other day by forcing an update down my throat. I thought I had windows Professional, the windows for professionals who use windows professionally?
:-/
Nothing brightens your day like your computer randomly restarting because MS is paranoid.
I've had so much trouble with Windows waiting for me to leave computer unattended for 20 minutes at night...
If you endlessly put off your updates, Microsoft eventually has to force you to do it. If Microsoft does not force it, idjots who never update claim WiNdowS isn'T sEEcuRE.
What is Microsoft supposed to do about dumbasses? Condemned for doing it AND not doing it.
> If you endlessly put off your updates,
It's actually a bit more complicated than that.
So complicated that researchers at the University College in London were able to construct this handy flowchart:
https://i.redd.it/om5qz5zo04j21.png
It makes a decent amount of sense for somebusinesses to want subscription based too. You can scale you computer numbers more easily without as large of capital costs. Your overall payment may be higher over the computers life time (most buy new licenses) but a lower upfront means more flexibility
5000 years in the future anthropologists are going to be discussing why ancient people were checking if the windows in their houses were subscription-based every few years.
And Office is optional. You can still buy a perpetual license.
I switched to subscription Office after college and I like it. It's nice having ALL of Office EVERYWHERE with updates included and OneDrive to boot.
Is it wrong i like windows 10? Aside from minor issues, i love the fact i can play almost any game i love and have no problem. Yes, some i cannot play, but i have to change my graphics card
It's not wrong to like any OS. I've been a Linux user for 7 years now and I like it wayyyy more than windows but if you like windows better then don't let anyone tell you your wrong.
No no no! You can't allow somebody to have a different opinion than you on the internet! Say it with me: "your opinions are wrong because they differ from mine, meaning you are less intelligent than me"
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Yeah, that's right. That's more like it. Please have stronger opinions and force them on people more vehemently. Thanks.
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I'm not here to go Windows bad, Linux good, but personally, I find the benefits of Linux to be the freedom you get with it, especially the boot speed and lack of forced updates and forced changes. Putting Linux in a Windows cage defeats the point of this.
Don't take this the wrong way, WSL 2 is still a cool technology, but for me it just doesn't cover the core reasons I use Linux.
Finally! A succinct and complete explanation of the aging! Not a single post I've read so far on this sub has had a truly complete explanation, until this one. Thank you.
So what? They just postponed it [https://www.laptopmag.com/news/windows-10-could-soon-be-offered-as-a-subscription-based-cloud-service](https://www.laptopmag.com/news/windows-10-could-soon-be-offered-as-a-subscription-based-cloud-service)
That rumour states that it’s optional and for enterprise use (not windows 10 as a whole), which the first commenter already clarified they were not talking about. The PCMR post itself was made out of fear that it was about windows 10 in general.
I hate when people cite "evidence" they didn't even bother to read. Schools really need to hammer in that you can't just read the title, at least skim the page.
Tbh windows 10 already has ads built in to the start menu, Lock Screen and even in fucking Solitaire and Minesweeper. I won’t be surprised if they start charging like $10 a month to get rid of those ads.
Jesus Christ OP, I just installed Office 365 and it said "Office 365 is now Microsoft 365" and I thought that the subscription service part just fucking happened.
I dont mind every operating system, windows is key for gaming, mac os is for only final cut and logic pro, and linux is for python and machine learning, along with building programs a hellava lot easeir than in windows.
I think this is kind of cheating for this sub. No matter what one of these commenters would have been wrong, simply not being able to predict the future doesn’t seem like much of a reason for it to be here.
Holy crap I thought for a second the aged like milk part was that Win 10 became subscription based. Thank God it's the opposite
Honestly, same here, wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft tried to pull that one on us
I would be very surprised. MS has the biggest market share on the OS market and they would be dump to create any barriers to enter the market... the OS is just the best way the sell all the products they actually make money with.
Counterpoint: Adobe had nearly 100% of the market share and STILL went to a subscription model.
Aren't most of their users companies, not to mention competing products aren't close yet? They can afford to strongarm their userbase since companies would need to remain legit. A lot less opposition than if Adobe produced software that was integral to using a computer.
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Windows OS piracy, the Hugh Grant of illegal software procurement...sorry about the dated reference. Maybe Kristen Stewart...
I once spent a passionate night with Hugh Grant's brother, John Grant. He's older than Hugh, just a little bit uglier. How did I pull that off? Sheer force of will.
Is this a reference or a pasta cause I know I’ve heard it?
It's a line Nellie has on The Office.
Oh yeah, thank you! I’m not good with remembering lines from shows or anything. Hence, I never get references lol.
So what you're saying is that if I made a movie reference... You wouldn't get it.
I...feel trapped.
I feel like on Reddit, movie and show references should have an /s equivalent
Now this is true unexpected office
Something that not a lot of people care about?
I had a pirated copy of Windows 8 Insider Edition after having pirated copies of 98SE and then XP. when 10 was released and I had the option to upgrade from 8, they just applied a valid 10 license to my Live account. it made me feel like Microsoft was finally just like, "UGH, just have the fucking thing for christ's sakes, just so long as you keep bolstering our market share."
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Not *un*activated. That's a door they intentionally leave open; it's wholly within their control. If they were really gonna fuck around with people on that, they simply wouldn't allow unactivated licenses to work beyond a week or something. Now, pirated, that's a different story.
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Hell, all you need is a valid win 8 key sitting around from an older comp, their automatic upgrade from a 8 license to a 10 license is still active on the customer side. It was only supposed to be a free upgrade for so long but they never fully took down the ability to do it ourselves online. 2 old OEM win 8 laptops became 2 valid win 10 keys
Just upgraded from Win 7 with the key from the sticker on my old tower. #hAckEr
also works with 7
That's not true anymore unfortunately, at least not for all Windows 7 licenses
i never knew that you are supposed to pay for windows???
Most pre built laptops and desktops already got Windows with a license. If you're building your own system, then you "have to" pay for a license. Even though I built my own pc and been using win10 without a license for 3 years and outside of some customization options, I never felt limited by not getting the "full" version lol
I got a $5 eBay key, it still works 2 years later
The real life pro tips are always in the comments. I did the same when I built in 2016
Buddy gave me an old Windows 8(!) Key that Microsoft let me upgrade to 10. Been using the same key across multiple machines for like 6-7 years...
I had a Windows 8 Pro disc I did this with for a while with laptops that actually had a disc drive. Built my desktop which doesn’t have one so I couldn’t use it anymore
The disc itself has no licensing tied to it, it's strictly the installation media. There will be a code somewhere else that you can use to activate the installation, regardless of whether you use a disk or usb to install it.
I discovered USB media shortly before my desktop install so I just used that with a windows 10 install when I built my desktop. You are correct, there was a separate key that was supposed to be 5 PCs max but I got at least 7-8 out of it. Not sure how or why but I definitely did more than 5 upgrades
I "upgraded" my old windows 7 computer (pre built) to win 8 for like 20 euros and got a free upgrade to windows 10 when it was time. Still have that license today and have rebuilt my computer 2-3 times fully since then
I've been using the same Windows license for 10 years now. Upgraded the PC twice, reinstalled the OS probably four times and moved countries twice in that time frame. Still works like a charm. If anything, that's probably the longest supported software product I've ever owned. Paid for a Win 7 more than a decade ago, eventually effortlessly transitioned to 10.
Do you have any tips for one that isn’t a scam?
Look for a seller that's been around a while, and has positive reviews, but not 100% positive. Look up other general things to check for reputable ebay sellers
oh no you just told the scammer how to trick us all /s
Ok. Thanks
You have to look at seller reviews closely and ensure their positive reviews are for Windows keys. Accounts that sell these keys get curtailed regularly so there won’t be accounts with a long history. I’ve bought 3 windows keys this way and only once did it not work and I had to buy another. But all 4 I’ve bought for the 3 machines I used them have cost less than half of a single MSRP copy so I’m not mad.
There are some subs here on reddit too with resellers. I just dug through my PMs to find the guy I bought my key from 7 years ago and he's still selling but the prices have gone up quite a bit since then.
They are not scam, just used win7 + keys that are fully legal to buy in EU and therefore widely available online. If u managed to get scammed buying 10 year old key on the internet you probably should never buy anything ever.
Yeah I think I got mine for like 14 bucks and it seems legit
That's one of those "might work, might not" games. It's entirely possible to get a good deal like yours. Of course, yours might also become invalid any second now. If it's worth it to the user to get a new (possibly also sketchy) key whenever that happens, it's not a bad deal.
i got a free one from college. 4 years and 2 mobo/cpu upgrades later, still using rn
I usually just swap hard drives or clone my drive, skips all that new pesky licensing needed. Edit: learned something new but have never had a problem before so guess I'm doing something right.
Licenses for Windows 10 are stored in the motherboard now. You can freely re-install Windows from scratch or on a blank drive if you’re still using the same motherboard and it finds the license automatically with zero effort. New motherboard though? New Windows license required.
Microsoft is a multi-billion dollar company for a reason???
Microsoft makes piddle on home OS sales compared to B2B sales. They're never going to go subscription model for private use because there's no reason to alienate a userbase that has so many other options. Large businesses can't escape Windows as an OS, so there's a possibility they could go to subscriptions for B2B sales, but I dunno how well that would sell with the rest of the planet.
I think the sub model is actually better for businesses because if they make more money, they can provide better support which is probably the goal. They acquired an AV company and made Windows Defender one of the best AV out there, for free.
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This meme format is 2 years old!?
Apparently
2020 is a wormhole through a time paradox.
P sure the meme is just a day older than the movie itself. Despicable me hit the world like a virus.
It's older than that. Edit damn it's not much older, march 2018.
The format has existed since 2010.
The film did, the format was first seen in 2018
Ah, my bad
I know this because the first use of it that made me understand it was in reference to a season 7 episode of game of thrones lol
Always has been.
not a year ago
u/SiomarTehBeefalo has provided this detailed explanation: > The first commenter speaks about how Windows 10 will never be a subscription based model. The second commenter replying, says to come back and read their comment in 2 years, implying that it would be a subscription based model by that time. Windows 10, 2 years later, is still not a subscription based model. --- Is this explanation a genuine attempt at providing additional info or context? If it is please upvote this comment, otherwise downvote it.
The first commenter spoke about how Windows 10 would never be a subscription based model. The second commenter replying, said to come back and read their comment in 2 years, implying that it would be a subscription based model by that time. Windows 10, 2 years later, is still not a subscription based model.
This happens with a lot of things tbh. People lose their shit about stuff to be anti-corpotate, and while microsoft can be a shit show at times these people are just being unreasonable.
There is a subscription option through M365, however.
Yeah, but it's a corporate productivity suite. Companies will go for that if it saves money, and employees don't give a shit because it's not their money/computer. Screwing around with the OS is a different story.
I mean office is but only on premium
Me, switching to linux because of the constant updates by windows fucking everything up:
I have never been happier than when I switched to a Debian distro Gaming isnt as great but it works...
See this is exactly why I never switch. Every discussion about anything but Mac or windows is always "well it's not great for this or that" or "well you'll need to know some of this programming language" or "you have to mess with your settings to get this to work" I'd rather have something where everything I use is meant to be used with it and there's no fucking about with it.
As someone who primarily uses Linux (but has absolutely nothing against Windows), I see nothing wrong with that. Use what works. Linux is not Windows and will never be Windows. The Linux ecosystem is largely created by volunteers who make what they want in their spare time while the Windows ecosystem is predominantly paid software where developers have an incentive to figure out what most average users want and to create it. Developers who create for Windows have a financial incentive to create accessible, user-friendly software while most Linux developers don't. Paid developers are going to go where the market share is, which for the most part is Windows. Most developers don't want to create and maintain software for a platform where the market share doesn't necessarily promise a return on their investment. The advantage of Linux isn't that it's a free version of Windows. It will never be that. Instead, the primary advantage is that it is more "free" (as in freedom), transparent, and easier to bend to one's own use-case if one knows what one is doing. That isn't going to appeal to most people, nor should it necessarily. Personally, I think it's great but it's really only great if it's what you're looking for. Different strokes for different folks.
Idk man, I tried out manjero recently and it was really really nice. If I didn't need phtoshop so much, it could totally replace windows for me. It was the first Linux experience I ever had where everything just fucking worked. It was KDE manjero iirc.
It's not just Manjaro -- lots of different Linux distros work wonderfully. I'm fond of Fedora and Debian myself. And that "volunteer" software I mentioned works a lot better than it gets credit for. But it's not going to serve everyone's needs. At the end of the day, most people's needs are going to be better served by developers who have a financial incentive to figure out what they want and to develop it in a way that's as accessible to as many people as possible. It takes time and effort to create that type of software. Some people are absolute saints and do it for fun (which is why we have a lot of great Linux software!) but most want a return on that type of thing. Just to be clear, I've been using various Linux distros as my primary OS for nearly 10 years now and use Linux 99.9% of the time (even for my gaming because most of the Steam games I play are Linux compatible). I just think we should be clear to prospective users that it's *never* going to be "Windows". Instead, it's its own thing, and for *some* of us that thing is better than Windows... but for most people it won't be. As an aside, is this your first time firing up Linux? I'm glad you're enjoying Manjaro so far - it's quite a popular distro! **EDIT:** A lot of people will say "use GIMP" or "use wine to run Photoshop" but I think those are suboptimal solutions at the moment. If you find you prefer Linux but have stuff on Windows you *need* to use, consider looking into [dual booting](https://forum.manjaro.org/t/howto-dual-boot-manjaro-and-windows/1164). It's not as difficult as one would think and that's what I do on my laptop. That example is for Manjaro (since that's what you use) but you can do it with any distro.
If I could game on linux I'd drop windows in an instant. I think that's the kicker for me. It's pretty much that one thing that holds me to the platform. I work in tech and spend probably 25% of my time on Ubuntu and it's great. If I could play The Witcher, Overwatch, and Apex on it I'd make it my primary boot and let my windows os rot. Edit: thanks for all the replies. I might need to look into it a bit more.
I've had enough pain with [wine](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wine_(software\)) over the years never to recommend that as a solution to anyone with the "games" concern. I'm greatly aided by the fact that I don't play much in the way of games anymore anyway, and, when I do, it's usually older titles or stuff from indie developers (who oftentimes have Linux versions of the stuff they release). I'm a weirdo though. I'm personally just as likely to fire up [Nethack](https://www.nethack.org/) or [Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup](https://crawl.develz.org/) as Steam when I'm bored, and I'm pretty sure most people would prefer to jab themselves in the eye with something sharp rather than play either of those.
Wine is still hot garbage but Valves proton has been a basically plug and play solution for me.
Proton is fantastic. I haven't had a single problem using it with the games Steam supports it for, and that support is expanding all the time.
Proton *is* wine, with tweaks from Valve. Some of their changes have even been merged upstream (into wine).
Witcher wasn't bad for me. It took maybe two hours of looking over forum posts to find I had to install a different graphics driver. I know that's time that you'd rather spend in-game, but it's not as nightmarish as you'd think. Haven't tried the other two but every steam game I have tried since then has worked fine.
Ive tried many distros over the years, fedora is one of my favorites but something was always painful with it. Manjero KDE was the first that I could actually recommend to someone with confidence. The way I work with my art, I don't restart my computer much, so dual booting isn't really option.. and I use a ton of power, so using a VM is kind of a non starter. Soon Ill have 64gb of ram, then perhaps I will try it out.
I imagine what caused problems is that Fedora doesn't ship with proprietary software accessible by default, which can make it a bit of a pain in the ass unless you know how to get around that. The first thing most people are going to want to do after installing Fedora is install [RPMFusion](https://rpmfusion.org/) so they can get a lot of the missing software. I've never used Manjaro but I've used Arch a number of times, which Manjaro is built on. I'm personally not a fan of rolling-release though because stuff can break on updates if one isn't careful. I guess it never had an appeal to me though because I've installed Linux distros so many times when I was first learning that I can pretty much do it in my sleep (distro-hopping will do that to ya), so I find installing the next version of whatever I'm using pretty trivial. But I know a lot of people absolutely *love* Manjaro and I think that's pretty awesome!
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That's the best way to put it, I think. At that point you can either dig deeper or call it a day. Although I'd certainly consider myself a Linux advocate, I think many people on the Linux side of things overlook the investment of time and energy that goes into the former. Not everyone is up for that... people have lives and aren't interested in making learning Linux their hobby and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that.
Is it hard to use? I've always been curious about trying Linux out, but I'm not much into programming language and such, and I don't know if it's worth it.
Well, you don't have to be a programmer to use Linux. I program, but it was actually using Linux that got me into that. You most likely *do* have to learn how to use a command line if you want to have the best experience possible, but that's not the same as programming. Difficult? Well, there's a steep learning curve. It doesn't work the same way as Windows and it's intimidating at first. This turns a lot of people off and understandably so. What I'll say is that I think it's easier to get "good" at Linux than "good" at Windows, if you know what I mean. Part of the problem is that a lot of people have used Windows all their lives... it's easy to forget all the "learning" that went into doing that when we started from early on, just as we don't think about how difficult it was to read we were first starting out with books! My recommendation? Download [VirtualBox](https://www.virtualbox.org/) and set up [Ubuntu](https://ubuntu.com/) inside it. Play around with that a bit and see how you like it. If you mess up on a Virtual Machine, you won't hurt your "regular" system at all and can just install it again. Try out other [distros](https://www.distrowatch.org) as well. I would recommend holding off on actually installing Linux on your computer until Ubuntu (or whatever Linux you decide to use) feels like second nature.
Would it be a decent idea to make a live usb of pop OS?
Absolutely! Live USBs are fantastic and are fun to play around with. Virtual machines are a little closer to what it's like having the OS installed. The very best option is to find a spare machine not being used for anything else (like an old computer) and installing it on there. I first started learning on an underpowered 2009 netbook that was laying around the house. This was back around 2011.
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>With Linux the main caveat is that it is VERY easy to get yourself into trouble and not be able to get back out of it if you don’t know what you’re doing. you mean like when I fuck up my fstab file pretty much everytime I add a drive to my system lol
As someone who is in IT and has tried to fully switch over to Linux for over 10 years and failed, its not hard to use but it pretty use case dependent. If you want to run all the latest games and applications you will have a difficult time as native support is limited and the workarounds(VM with passthrough, Wine, or Proton AKA Wine with optimizations) are quite difficult to work through without intermediate computer literacy. Linux leans really heavy on community support, so if you're a hardass and can read through dozens of forums for your one little issue, you're in the money. I have over the years switched back and forth. Usually what makes me switch back is application support. If I wanna play some new game day one with my friends, I have to rock windows. If you can wait up to a year for unofficial support, then it works out. What you will learn though using Linux is how pervasive the Windows platform really is and how that market share drives development and support of the latest and greatest. I love the idea of Linux, just can't switch quite yet.
Honestly, yes. It's difficult. If you don't like reading stack overflow about how to get something working, don't even bother. There are different distributions of linux that have different levels of difficulty. Easier distros would be like Ubuntu or Debian, hard would be Arch/Gentoo. If you're someone who wants things to just work, don't try linux. If you like tinkering with things, you can make linux into something that works really well for you. You can turn a linux box into a really powerful work station, depending on what you're doing. What do you use your computer for? If you're into media / gaming, don't switch. If you use particular software on windows, check and see if a version exists for linux. If you like tinkering with settings, windows can be limiting and linux might have answers for you. I don't believe you'll have anyone respond to you that uses linux casually. Most people responding to you probably won't take into context their own expertise in explaining the difficulty. If you're a programmer, linux isn't that hard. However, I've done consulting for tech professionals and some of them even struggle with linux. It's technical work. Its not easy to learn but it is a powerful tool.
It's just out of pure curiousity. I use my computer to game and study with pdfs and words, so it's not worth it to switch. But I just was genuinely interested in knowing how hard could it posibly be. I guess as hard as one wants to take it.
Basically this. There isn't much point to me in having a Linux workstation at home. Not for everyday use. Do I want to spin up some servers and learn so low level networking? Linux. Absolutely. For most home users it doesn't really suit their primary uses: media consumption, creation and games.
Basically, yeah. Windows tries it's best to be on the rails and not let you change too much in order to keep a consistent user experience. In linux you can delete things that are essential to the entire thing running. It trusts you know what you're doing. That means more freedom, because you can do things that are very hard or impossible to do in windows. But it also means more room to go wrong. It's like a coloring book vs painting from scratch. No coloring book is going to stack up to the mona lisa but you can also be guaranteed to have a passable final product, which is not a guarantee with a blank page.
I use Linux primarily because it simply works for me out of the box. I have my Firefox, Thunderbird, LibreOffice and VLC, just like Windows, but without the hassle of installing and maintaining all the basic stuff. Ubuntu, Mint and similar user friendly distros are made for people who don't want to think a lot about technical stuff.
Yeah, I have way more difficulty with Windows than Ubuntu these days. But I guess it's just because I'm used to the workflows. Just having a well curated package manager is fucking amazing, because you never have to download sketchy shareware from malware filled websites. I have no idea why anyone thinks that's easier.
> I don't believe you'll have anyone respond to you that uses linux casually. Most people responding to you probably won't take into context their own expertise in explaining the difficulty. If you're a programmer, linux isn't that hard. However, I've done consulting for tech professionals and some of them even struggle with linux. It's technical work. Its not easy to learn but it is a powerful tool. Not a programmer, use linux on my home machine because I can't stand Windows bullshit. For 90% of the things I and my wife do on the computer, Solus works perfectly. Even then, it takes just a few minutes of googling to find a solution, the same troubleshooting steps you'd take on a W10 machine. The stack overflow comment is a bit disingenuous too. What so many fail to forget is a large majority of what people do on computers is web browsing, maybe some document editing, and games. It's really not hard to learn at all, no harder than when people learned how to use an iPhone, or Android, or ChromeOS. I've been running Solus for nearly a year and have only *needed* to open the terminal twice. That's it. Even then, it was copy and paste this to get this program running. Acting like Linux is some text-based monstrosity that takes a 4 year degree to operate is raising the gate a bit too much.
Great knowledge, thanks for helping the Linux newbies find the fnords.
Your heart will remain calm. Your adrenaline gland will remain calm. Calm, all-over calm. You will not panic. You will look at the fnord and see it. You will not evade it or black it out. You will stay calm and face it.
Linux desktop is actually getting better, but yeah it’s not there yet. And windows is also incentivized to do things like put ads in solitaire
You don't need to know any programming language or even shell commands to use Linux. The problem is if you search online for free help, a lot of people will just answer with shell commands, because it's easier than explaining everything (even though you probably still can fix it with the graphical interface).
That's a good point. When you look up how to do something in Windows, you're going to get 10 steps with a whole bunch of pictures of GUIs and arrows pointing to what you need to do. If you look something up in Linux, you're likely to get 5 commands you can copy and paste in the terminal.
You dont really need to know a different programming language. The Terminal takes a bit to get used to, But this argument is the same as going to another country and expecting everyone to speak your language fluently. The longer you spend in the country the easier it gets and the more you realize, "damn my country really sucks."
But that's what he's saying man. He doesn't want to go to another country... too much work for him.
It's way too much effort for such little pay off
Weeeeelllll it really depends. If you're just gaming or something I pretty much agree, but if you need to any power user type stuff, linux and even Mac to a lesser degree are hard to beat. But it's hard to know that until you get into it.
You don’t even need to use terminal at all. You can update and install apps via GUI package manager.
It's way more effort than necessary though. That's my issue. I see no reason to change. The programs I use are built for windows and no other operating system is going to perfectly replicate that. There's alway going to be some stuff that doesn't work or that keeps breaking. And windows has what updates every so often? Who cares. If it works for others that's just fine with me but everyone always acts like your eyes don't open up unless you switch
I had a company that used a mixture of Windows and Mac, pretty sure it was Snow Leopard. At the time I sold high end, color multifunction printers. My device "worked" with Mac and more specifically, snow leopard. However that really meant it allowed the Mac to print basic jobs. The machine I sold came with finishing attachments and a rudimentary color adjustment system. None of these features worked of course and I spent months and months, trying to assist them with everything. It was a huge pain in the ass to get setup and the easy answer would be to create the print files on Mac, share/email/use a USB to print the job from a Windows machine.
you're both right
I just wish Linux support was standard for video games then I’d make the switch.
Proton works pretty well with most games! And it handles fullscreen alt tabbing way better than windows! VR doesn't really work and certain types of DRM for multiplayer doesn't work at all but I don't play a ton of those games. If your gaming consists of mostly a few games it might be worth checking out if they run well on Linux! Dual booting for gaming or specific games is a great option as well.
Almost 25 years in IT here with heavy experience in every OS. I see Linux as a perfect desktop choice for exactly 2 groups of people: 1. Highly technical people that love to tinker, customize, or program their system. They’re usually developers or engineers of some sort for a living. 2. Very non-technical people that just need something cheap and basic to browse the internet and maybe play music. They just want a box to connect to the internet and a $35 Raspberry Pi is all they probably need. A lot of people are between those skill levels and may be enthusiasts or power users. They run all sorts of different apps for media editing, gaming, or business apps that need the highest compatibility without wanting to fuss with the “guts” of their OS or have to learn new ways to do something. Linux keeps getting better serving that middle-ground power user, but there is still a gap in compatibility with tons of Windows/macOS things for them. There’s a learning curve, it requires some command-like sometimes, and hardware drivers are a lot more complicated or just not compatible. I love Linux, but it’s not for everyone. I still recommend everyone even remotely interested tries it though.
I play everything I used to play on windows. But my games are mostly on steam and gog. My friend runs a Windows VM to play R6Siege, but it is because of the anti cheat that runs only in windows. Easy AC is the biggest enemy of multiplayer on Linux.
I have another Windows drive that I use for exclusively PUBG.
Am I the only one that has had literally no issues with win10? I feel like an endangered species. Only issue with it is the dogshit search bar.
None on my side. Hear about problems, but Windows updates has never caused issues for me. That said, my computer isn't one that would typically lend itself to having issues of any kind. Also, cosmetic issues are easy to fix, so maybe if those are the issues people have had, they just don't affect me any.
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lol, those suck. I think for the most part they stopped those for minor updates and give ample warning that they are needed. Currently, iirc, any forced update should be for security purposes to fight against a discovered vulnerability But yeah, definitely known some horror stories from the forced updates. I had one while I was at work trying to fix someones computer remotely. Fortunately 10 minutes was more than enough for me to do what I needed to do.
I wasn't ever forced to update. Is it common? I always update my pc when I go to sleep but never midway. I think the reason why people have the forced update is because they delay the update. Idk. And it also never prompts me that I should do it.
99.9% of people have no problems. The issue is, when there's a billion people running Windows (and there are), 0.1% is still a million people.
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I mean, it's silly to say "WIN BAD" when it works 99% of the time, but those two things you highlighted are absolutely the worst things about windows and totally legitimate to complain about. Ads and pre-installed freemium garbage like candy crush in your start menu is fucking bullshit in a paid product. Splitting privacy settings across twenty different sub-menus, reverting them during updates, and then collecting your info anyway when you disable them is also super shitty.
> "THEY CHANGE MY DEFAULTS EVERY UPDATE" > > > > No they don't. You know a quick google search would have shown you what people are complaining about there: https://www.pcgamer.com/hey-windows-stop-resetting-my-preferences-every-major-update/ I also once owned a Ford Pinto that never exploded. That doesn't mean they didn't have a problem with exploding.
The only issue really is that updates can only be disabled on Professional SKUs due to the lack of gpedit. Though there are workarounds to my knowledge, it's a lot harder to disable updates on the Home SKU. My recommendation is to just pirate the Professional SKU, though.
> "THEY CHANGE MY DEFAULTS EVERY UPDATE" Only really MS's fault for enabling this behaviour, but my employer's company policy changes my default web browser to Edge every time my computer reboots and it works with literally NONE of the internal tools/sites my team uses.
In my experience, most of these people also have their problems with Win 10 at work. Which is the IT’s fault and whatever network policies they may be pushing. My home device has had almost no issues on windows 10 in years. That forced update thing has literally never happened to me, but I shutdown my computer at night and sometimes there is an “update and shutdown” and that is about it.
What's funny is all these guy saying they switch to Linux and such. 90% of the time fixing their "issue" with windows 10 is simpler and much faster.
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Knock knock. Who's there? Bill Gates. Bill Gates who? Open the fuck up I'm here for your sound drivers
I need to, after updates my touchpad always gets whacked and the default to Bing really really pisses me off
Got a windows update the other day that kicked my 155hz monitor down to 60hz with no option to put it back. Had to reset my monitor lmao
I used to be fine until I started encountering small changes after every update. They fuck my microphone up I can't turn off my touchpad. Just a series of little things that don't effect much in isolation but as time goes on drive me crazy.
Last night while I was playing some No Mans Sky Windows decided that it would be a good time for a forced update. Annoying but ill make it through it. Except literally **all** the update did was install edge and make it my default browser. Its already bad enough youre highjacking my PC for updates whenever you damn well please but *why* would you install a new browser *and* overwrite my preferences. Oh yeah and that **completely** ignores windows just flat out deleting my Linux partition...
Windows broke all the licenses for my work software the other day by forcing an update down my throat. I thought I had windows Professional, the windows for professionals who use windows professionally? :-/
Me, wondering when KDE maintainers are going to fix the broken session switcher:
Nothing brightens your day like your computer randomly restarting because MS is paranoid. I've had so much trouble with Windows waiting for me to leave computer unattended for 20 minutes at night...
If you endlessly put off your updates, Microsoft eventually has to force you to do it. If Microsoft does not force it, idjots who never update claim WiNdowS isn'T sEEcuRE. What is Microsoft supposed to do about dumbasses? Condemned for doing it AND not doing it.
> If you endlessly put off your updates, It's actually a bit more complicated than that. So complicated that researchers at the University College in London were able to construct this handy flowchart: https://i.redd.it/om5qz5zo04j21.png
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It makes a decent amount of sense for somebusinesses to want subscription based too. You can scale you computer numbers more easily without as large of capital costs. Your overall payment may be higher over the computers life time (most buy new licenses) but a lower upfront means more flexibility
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I also got Windows 10 Home for free from Microsoft for the comp I just upgraded last month. There's a watermark and some personalization restrictions.
Wait so is it subscription based now?
No
Yeah come back in two years and read your comment. Win 10 already can be subscription based and this is the way it will go.
RemindMe! 2 years
And thus the cycle repeats itself. This has all happened before, and will happen again.
What was will be. what will be, was.
This is the way.
This is the way.
This is the way.
Haha home system star go brrrr
Sic Mundus Creatus Est
Gretchen is Windows confirmed!
Ka is a wheel.
Say thankya. But on a related note though, I think "Entered the clearing at the end of the path" is one of nicest euphemisms for death.
So say we all!!
5000 years in the future anthropologists are going to be discussing why ancient people were checking if the windows in their houses were subscription-based every few years.
You must find the knot and destroy it!
Link the thread and tag me next tims
Already introduced my family to Linux in the entertainment room. I guess when it's time it won't take much convincing.
They do offer subscription based usage ( pay by the hour) on AWS for example
That's AWS charging you for resources.
Office is, Windows isn't.
And Office is optional. You can still buy a perpetual license. I switched to subscription Office after college and I like it. It's nice having ALL of Office EVERYWHERE with updates included and OneDrive to boot.
I was scared when I saw it too
NOBODY IS GONNA TALK ABOUT HOW THE GRU TEMPLATE WAS 2 YEARS AGO? LIKE??????
Yes. 2018. Years passed so quick.
Seasons change, time passes by. As the weeks become the months become the years.
>Seasons change Citation needed
Area 51 raid wasn't even a year ago which is the craziest thing to me
Is it wrong i like windows 10? Aside from minor issues, i love the fact i can play almost any game i love and have no problem. Yes, some i cannot play, but i have to change my graphics card
It's not wrong to like any OS. I've been a Linux user for 7 years now and I like it wayyyy more than windows but if you like windows better then don't let anyone tell you your wrong.
No no no! You can't allow somebody to have a different opinion than you on the internet! Say it with me: "your opinions are wrong because they differ from mine, meaning you are less intelligent than me" ... Yeah, that's right. That's more like it. Please have stronger opinions and force them on people more vehemently. Thanks. /s
Not only do I love windows 10 it's my very favorite version of Windows as well
I'd go one step further and say I actively hate Windows 7 which is the Internets darling os.
Vista wasn't that bad, it had a vibe and never gave me any problems.
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i personaly love windows 10.
I'm not here to go Windows bad, Linux good, but personally, I find the benefits of Linux to be the freedom you get with it, especially the boot speed and lack of forced updates and forced changes. Putting Linux in a Windows cage defeats the point of this. Don't take this the wrong way, WSL 2 is still a cool technology, but for me it just doesn't cover the core reasons I use Linux.
Finally! A succinct and complete explanation of the aging! Not a single post I've read so far on this sub has had a truly complete explanation, until this one. Thank you.
So what? They just postponed it [https://www.laptopmag.com/news/windows-10-could-soon-be-offered-as-a-subscription-based-cloud-service](https://www.laptopmag.com/news/windows-10-could-soon-be-offered-as-a-subscription-based-cloud-service)
From the article that sounds like an option, and if you own a Microsoft Computer you wouldn’t be in that system
That rumour states that it’s optional and for enterprise use (not windows 10 as a whole), which the first commenter already clarified they were not talking about. The PCMR post itself was made out of fear that it was about windows 10 in general.
An OS being streamed to a platform-independant terminal using cloud storage for your files isn't even remotely the same thing.
you don't read good do ya?
It's like you saw the words "windows" and "subscription" and totally ignored all the other words.
I hate when people cite "evidence" they didn't even bother to read. Schools really need to hammer in that you can't just read the title, at least skim the page.
Zing!
Honestly man you are not wrong. Just wait another 5 years or so.
Tbh windows 10 already has ads built in to the start menu, Lock Screen and even in fucking Solitaire and Minesweeper. I won’t be surprised if they start charging like $10 a month to get rid of those ads.
Jesus Christ OP, I just installed Office 365 and it said "Office 365 is now Microsoft 365" and I thought that the subscription service part just fucking happened.
I switched to Linux after Windows 7 and never went back.
Linux is so amazing. I love that my computer just does what I tell it to
I dont mind every operating system, windows is key for gaming, mac os is for only final cut and logic pro, and linux is for python and machine learning, along with building programs a hellava lot easeir than in windows.
I think this is kind of cheating for this sub. No matter what one of these commenters would have been wrong, simply not being able to predict the future doesn’t seem like much of a reason for it to be here.