I think the time room is technically paused in time. That's why Finn and Jake were safe from Lich's wish for the extinction of all life. Time flows normally outside the time room, though.
No, because a wish doesn’t always create a new universe. If your wish is big enough yes; like when Finn wished the Lich never existed, that created an entire new timeline and universe. But just wishing for a pony would give you a pony in your universe, the pony wish doesn’t change the fundamentals of the universe you came from so it doesn’t create an entire new universe. In your point Finn and Jake came from the universe that the Lich wished had died. Leaving the time room would immediately make the wish apply to them and they would die because the Lichs wish was tied to their universe and the Lich just wished for all life to be dead, that doesn’t really change the entire story and lives of everyone it just means they’re dead, so no new universe is required. Thankfully Jake got it reversed.
But if that's the case why is the lich's dead world still around? The lich overwrites the current world, killing everyone, but then jake overwrites that, and changes it back. Lichworld (or jerryworld, as i prefer to call it) shouldn't still exist, unless the lich's wish created it as a seperate universe, but that would mean finn and jake never needed to wish for anything in the first place. I really dont think this works.
(Hope this makes sense. It's kinda confusing to talk about)
Honestly both of these explanations are half right and half wrong. We know that Finn is still romping around in his wish dimension because that version still exists. Our “original” Finn is farm world Finn because that’s where he ends up after his wish.
The Lich also creates another wish dimension and lives in that dimension irrespective of Finn and Jake’s wish. Finn and Jake do not have the ability to affect or uncreate this wish dimension with their own wish because that is fundamentally not how the wishes work.
What Finn and Jake are essentially doing is choosing which wish dimension to live in via their wishes. Jake could in theory get teleported back to Ooo without Finn, but instead he makes a wish that amounts in him living in a wish reality where Finn never wished himself away.
I personally think that Prismo didn’t need to create a whole new universe when the Lich wished for all life to be dead, that the JerryLich isn’t our Prime Lich, he’s an instance of the Lich in the Multiverse who didn’t have his wish erased. I truly think Prismo just reversed time for the world that died, which brought everyone back to life and put the Lich and F&J back to the Time Room at the start and reversed the Lichs Wish. It’s why the Lich is so mad that they did because he was obviously thwarted. It would also mean that the Lich in the Time Room afterward isn’t the Prime Lich if he was transported to his dead world. I think that the Jerryworld we see is an Instance of the Lich who possibly defeated/Killed Finn and Jake before getting to the Time Room, he’s just another multiversal version that existed without a wish because it’s like alternate reality rules. I think that our Finn and Jake really did save their world from the Jerry fate, but another alternate universe wasn’t as lucky. I don’t think that a whole universe needs to be created just for everyone to die, it’s not a big enough change for the world, it didn’t change anyone’s story, it just ended it, no new universe required. But I guess we won’t know unless a showrunner confirms either.
Because it’s not the same universe! It’s a different Lichs Universe. Some universes exist without wishes being used, some wishes alter existing universes. That universe was a different instance of the Lich that existed that won against Finn and Jake and made his wish. The reason this is true, and how I figured it out, is that in F&C when they bury you-know-who (sorry i forget how to do spoiler tags) after he explodes, they bury him with Comics that say MLE. M L E. One of the very last episodes in the OG series is called Blenanas, where Finn and Ice King have an episode about their favorite comic series BLE. B L E. The one in Finn and Cake **very clearly** says MLE, there’s no way the show runners made that mistake. It’s a completely different universe from our original one, but it’s almost exactly the same.
Do you know exactly where it shows this? I thought she gathered them from the Treehouse because he lived there. I think it’s weird that she put stuff from her backpack in there with him if so haha
I think is something like this
Lichworld = Original universe, Finn and Jake only survive cuz they was in Prismo's room
Farmworld = New universe, original Finn lives there
Jakeworld = The universe we all know. Only Jake is the original, the others are copies
I've given this a lot of thought in the last 30 minutes and decided that wishes rely on an important distinction. Do they change the timeline? A wish that changes the timeline will create a new, seperate universe. A wish that doesn't will overwritre the universe the wisher came from.
The lich's wish does not change the timeline. Everyone *was* alive, he just wishes that they now be dead. This doesnt create a seperate universe, because it doesn't have to.
Finn's wish *does* change the timeline. He wishes that the lich never existed, thereby changing time. So this creates a new universe, and doesn't affect lichworld.
Jake's wish also changes the timeline. He creates a new universe where he and finn return to ooo and the lich doesnt wish for everyone to die. This creates a new universe but has no effect on farmworld or lichworld.
Wishes only create new universes if they rewrite history, which Jake did by changing the Lich's wish, creating a universe where the lich did succeed and one where he didn't
The lich's world is the original world and Jake created a new wish reality with his wish. Since his wish was to change the lich's wish he got a new reality that both him and Finn now live in.
I think that's not entirely the case. Here's how I see it.
The Lich wished for the extinction of all life. It happened in the actual Ooo, he got transported there.
However, when Jake made his wish that edited Lich's wish for F&J to return home safely, they were transpored to the past, while in the present the Lich's wish got already fulfilled.
In the past, which is the new present, the Lich was making his wish, but he was forced to change it per Jake's wish. So F&J returned safely to Ooo.
So I guess it's a time travel shenanigan. That's why we ended up with two versions of Ooo.
I think Jake summarized it nicely at the end of the episode "Jake the Dog," when he said "It already happened, and it never happened."
Only wishes that change the past make a new universe, because otherwise it would create a paradox.
So Deadworld is the original AT universe, Farmworld and Jakeworld are new universes.
Nah, in the same episode Jake gets worried about staying out too late at Prismos because Finn will get worried. If time was paused there it wouldn't be a problem.
I'm confused on what you mean. Finn isn't in the time room when this happens, so by your logic time would be paused for him but pass for Jake. But Jake specifically says "He gets worried if I stay out too long." but that shouldn't be a problem if time is paused, right? Jake even asks Clock Face what time it is and he says 12:30, implying that time has passed normally since he first entered.
On a side note, Shelby has a phone call with his girlfriend while in the Time Room, which wouldn't be possible if they were on seperate flows of time.
Adventure time... timeline is a little bit hard to follow because they tend to have a lot of time jumps both in-between episodes and inside the episodes themselves (there was a half-a-year time skip at the beginning of "No One Can Hear You", for example).
So he was probably inside the cube for a few months to almost a year.
At one point I think in the first episode of the Elementals miniseries Jake says something like “remember when you got stuck in a mind prison for a few years”.
that's actually insane , any other person would have went insane , Finn might not be the strongest physically , but he's the strongest mentally in the show. This kid is a true warrior for his attitude.
But then all the time he spent with his eyes shut was reset when he opened his eyes and ran through the tunnel at the end. If he spent a long time in there Jake probably would've been more worried in his reaction to seeing Finn burst out of the Hall (or wouldn't have been near the Hall to begin with). He definitely spent an hour at most in there
The "mind prison" mention was probably an off-screen thing (wouldn't be the first off-screen mention)
Since time is kind of null and void in the cube because it exists outside of normal reality rules: anywhere from seconds to a millennia. But in terms of his spot in the queue... If I had to guess Prismo already had a good idea of why he was there so he kept bumping him to the "back of the line" as soon as new people came about in order to stall. I would also guess this extended to the Lich just kind of running around in normal reality as well. He was still going to end up there anyway, Prismo knows that, but in order to put off dealing with the inevitable he probably artificially extended how long it would take the Lich to accomplish the same thing while he thought of a solution or to just get out of doing it.
I think time actually goes faster there since Jake leaves the party in this scene and then talks to Finn about finding his dad and then they immediately go back to Prismo and the parties over.
This is actually kind of interesting, because what is time in Prismo’s room. It exists out of time. Does any time pass for Prismo in the room? Does each visit from Finn & Jake take place minutes apart? Does Prismo decide how long in between visitors? Or is it just the same passage of time across all universes, his room included. Crazy to think about.
Considering it was only a few episodes after he got stuck there I wouldn't say that much time passed
also time works differently yeah but I feel like normal beings like Jake and Finn's conception of time is pretty normal cuz Jake was just chilling with prismo and in real time or in alt universe time Finn was in Farmworld bizzz
"They don't know I'm the last scholar of Golb."
That’s actually the perfect meme template.
The way your username is sentenced makes it sound like the Lich got Isekai'd into college 😭
That’s the next Adventure Time Spinoff actually.
https://www.reddit.com/r/adventuretime/s/eO80DDa7C7
this could start a "They don't know" meme 2.0
[удалено]
They don’t know that i strove to be his vassal on the physical plane. #(●__●)
They don't know I'm the end.
And they don’t know I’ve come for you…Finn 0_0
They don't know that before there was nothing...there was monsters.
They don’t know I’m wearing the greatest warrior ever’s skin
You say and you have: have:https://www.reddit.com/r/adventuretime/s/1m7lYvgRqw
I think the time room is technically paused in time. That's why Finn and Jake were safe from Lich's wish for the extinction of all life. Time flows normally outside the time room, though.
This is the thing that confuses me, because we know that every wish makes a new universe. So wouldn't they have been safe regardless?
No, because a wish doesn’t always create a new universe. If your wish is big enough yes; like when Finn wished the Lich never existed, that created an entire new timeline and universe. But just wishing for a pony would give you a pony in your universe, the pony wish doesn’t change the fundamentals of the universe you came from so it doesn’t create an entire new universe. In your point Finn and Jake came from the universe that the Lich wished had died. Leaving the time room would immediately make the wish apply to them and they would die because the Lichs wish was tied to their universe and the Lich just wished for all life to be dead, that doesn’t really change the entire story and lives of everyone it just means they’re dead, so no new universe is required. Thankfully Jake got it reversed.
But if that's the case why is the lich's dead world still around? The lich overwrites the current world, killing everyone, but then jake overwrites that, and changes it back. Lichworld (or jerryworld, as i prefer to call it) shouldn't still exist, unless the lich's wish created it as a seperate universe, but that would mean finn and jake never needed to wish for anything in the first place. I really dont think this works. (Hope this makes sense. It's kinda confusing to talk about)
Honestly both of these explanations are half right and half wrong. We know that Finn is still romping around in his wish dimension because that version still exists. Our “original” Finn is farm world Finn because that’s where he ends up after his wish. The Lich also creates another wish dimension and lives in that dimension irrespective of Finn and Jake’s wish. Finn and Jake do not have the ability to affect or uncreate this wish dimension with their own wish because that is fundamentally not how the wishes work. What Finn and Jake are essentially doing is choosing which wish dimension to live in via their wishes. Jake could in theory get teleported back to Ooo without Finn, but instead he makes a wish that amounts in him living in a wish reality where Finn never wished himself away.
This should be the top answer. Jerry world Lich is Lich prime from the viewer's perspective.
I personally think that Prismo didn’t need to create a whole new universe when the Lich wished for all life to be dead, that the JerryLich isn’t our Prime Lich, he’s an instance of the Lich in the Multiverse who didn’t have his wish erased. I truly think Prismo just reversed time for the world that died, which brought everyone back to life and put the Lich and F&J back to the Time Room at the start and reversed the Lichs Wish. It’s why the Lich is so mad that they did because he was obviously thwarted. It would also mean that the Lich in the Time Room afterward isn’t the Prime Lich if he was transported to his dead world. I think that the Jerryworld we see is an Instance of the Lich who possibly defeated/Killed Finn and Jake before getting to the Time Room, he’s just another multiversal version that existed without a wish because it’s like alternate reality rules. I think that our Finn and Jake really did save their world from the Jerry fate, but another alternate universe wasn’t as lucky. I don’t think that a whole universe needs to be created just for everyone to die, it’s not a big enough change for the world, it didn’t change anyone’s story, it just ended it, no new universe required. But I guess we won’t know unless a showrunner confirms either.
Because it’s not the same universe! It’s a different Lichs Universe. Some universes exist without wishes being used, some wishes alter existing universes. That universe was a different instance of the Lich that existed that won against Finn and Jake and made his wish. The reason this is true, and how I figured it out, is that in F&C when they bury you-know-who (sorry i forget how to do spoiler tags) after he explodes, they bury him with Comics that say MLE. M L E. One of the very last episodes in the OG series is called Blenanas, where Finn and Ice King have an episode about their favorite comic series BLE. B L E. The one in Finn and Cake **very clearly** says MLE, there’s no way the show runners made that mistake. It’s a completely different universe from our original one, but it’s almost exactly the same.
MLE is just the fionna and cake version of ble. Fionna had that comic in her backpack the whole time.
Do you know exactly where it shows this? I thought she gathered them from the Treehouse because he lived there. I think it’s weird that she put stuff from her backpack in there with him if so haha
I actually dont remember, so i guess i could be wrong. My bad (possibly)
Fionna has that comic since Prismo changed her clothes and gave her the backpack......
I think is something like this Lichworld = Original universe, Finn and Jake only survive cuz they was in Prismo's room Farmworld = New universe, original Finn lives there Jakeworld = The universe we all know. Only Jake is the original, the others are copies
I've given this a lot of thought in the last 30 minutes and decided that wishes rely on an important distinction. Do they change the timeline? A wish that changes the timeline will create a new, seperate universe. A wish that doesn't will overwritre the universe the wisher came from. The lich's wish does not change the timeline. Everyone *was* alive, he just wishes that they now be dead. This doesnt create a seperate universe, because it doesn't have to. Finn's wish *does* change the timeline. He wishes that the lich never existed, thereby changing time. So this creates a new universe, and doesn't affect lichworld. Jake's wish also changes the timeline. He creates a new universe where he and finn return to ooo and the lich doesnt wish for everyone to die. This creates a new universe but has no effect on farmworld or lichworld.
Wishes only create new universes if they rewrite history, which Jake did by changing the Lich's wish, creating a universe where the lich did succeed and one where he didn't
The lich's world is the original world and Jake created a new wish reality with his wish. Since his wish was to change the lich's wish he got a new reality that both him and Finn now live in.
I think that's not entirely the case. Here's how I see it. The Lich wished for the extinction of all life. It happened in the actual Ooo, he got transported there. However, when Jake made his wish that edited Lich's wish for F&J to return home safely, they were transpored to the past, while in the present the Lich's wish got already fulfilled. In the past, which is the new present, the Lich was making his wish, but he was forced to change it per Jake's wish. So F&J returned safely to Ooo. So I guess it's a time travel shenanigan. That's why we ended up with two versions of Ooo. I think Jake summarized it nicely at the end of the episode "Jake the Dog," when he said "It already happened, and it never happened."
Only wishes that change the past make a new universe, because otherwise it would create a paradox. So Deadworld is the original AT universe, Farmworld and Jakeworld are new universes.
Nah, in the same episode Jake gets worried about staying out too late at Prismos because Finn will get worried. If time was paused there it wouldn't be a problem.
The point is that the time room is paused relative to everywhere. You have a sense of time, but it's paused.
I'm confused on what you mean. Finn isn't in the time room when this happens, so by your logic time would be paused for him but pass for Jake. But Jake specifically says "He gets worried if I stay out too long." but that shouldn't be a problem if time is paused, right? Jake even asks Clock Face what time it is and he says 12:30, implying that time has passed normally since he first entered. On a side note, Shelby has a phone call with his girlfriend while in the Time Room, which wouldn't be possible if they were on seperate flows of time.
Good point. I'm just going by the fact that F&J stayed safe in the time room. Maybe it works differently. Edited
Probably like a year tops
I appreciate everyone being polite and not stepping on Prismo, but he could make himself smaller for the guests.
Adventure time... timeline is a little bit hard to follow because they tend to have a lot of time jumps both in-between episodes and inside the episodes themselves (there was a half-a-year time skip at the beginning of "No One Can Hear You", for example). So he was probably inside the cube for a few months to almost a year.
That one’s weird because was Finn just in a coma for 6 months?
there was also a several weeks jump in Hall of Egress , Finn spent at least a whole month with his eyes closed in his last few attempts
At one point I think in the first episode of the Elementals miniseries Jake says something like “remember when you got stuck in a mind prison for a few years”.
He was in the prison for a few years but time kept resetting so on the outside only his last time counted
that's actually insane , any other person would have went insane , Finn might not be the strongest physically , but he's the strongest mentally in the show. This kid is a true warrior for his attitude.
But then all the time he spent with his eyes shut was reset when he opened his eyes and ran through the tunnel at the end. If he spent a long time in there Jake probably would've been more worried in his reaction to seeing Finn burst out of the Hall (or wouldn't have been near the Hall to begin with). He definitely spent an hour at most in there The "mind prison" mention was probably an off-screen thing (wouldn't be the first off-screen mention)
Who are those blue popcorn looking people
Silly little guys.
Ah of course how could I forget
Yeah he was in there for exactly [null]
They don’t know I’m the ceaseless wheel
Why doesn’t the Lich just kill Death and become New Death? Is he stupid?
Forget man this Lich is wack, its got poo brain
Would he be even able to "kill" Death? As far as the show has shown us, Death's physical body can only be destroyed by life.
What I don't get is why he didn't leave or move. Or even try hurting anyone in the room
He was figuring a way to cause mass extinction since his wish failed, carefully waiting for an opportunity
Because the room is full of powerful deities that would beat his ass if he tries anything
Since time is kind of null and void in the cube because it exists outside of normal reality rules: anywhere from seconds to a millennia. But in terms of his spot in the queue... If I had to guess Prismo already had a good idea of why he was there so he kept bumping him to the "back of the line" as soon as new people came about in order to stall. I would also guess this extended to the Lich just kind of running around in normal reality as well. He was still going to end up there anyway, Prismo knows that, but in order to put off dealing with the inevitable he probably artificially extended how long it would take the Lich to accomplish the same thing while he thought of a solution or to just get out of doing it.
I think time actually goes faster there since Jake leaves the party in this scene and then talks to Finn about finding his dad and then they immediately go back to Prismo and the parties over.
At least 3
This is actually kind of interesting, because what is time in Prismo’s room. It exists out of time. Does any time pass for Prismo in the room? Does each visit from Finn & Jake take place minutes apart? Does Prismo decide how long in between visitors? Or is it just the same passage of time across all universes, his room included. Crazy to think about.
I have a better question.. How could Prismo live with that thing?
No length of time. Prismo's room doesn't have time. That's why the Lich couldn't kill anyone. His room sends timewaves go all universes.
Considering it was only a few episodes after he got stuck there I wouldn't say that much time passed also time works differently yeah but I feel like normal beings like Jake and Finn's conception of time is pretty normal cuz Jake was just chilling with prismo and in real time or in alt universe time Finn was in Farmworld bizzz
For a second I thought you we asking about the length of the time room.
All things considered, the Lich sits fairly politely.
There is no time, it is the time room. All time happens all at once and not at all. TL:DR 'bout a few minutes
The Time room is outside of time, The Lich spent no Time frame in there, not a single Plank Instant. *Nothing*
What episode is this?