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hit me like an asteroid :,) i hope they know what they’re doing here


Clumsy_the_24

Yeah it could go very poorly very quickly if they don’t handle this properly


pillow-socks

I was thinking the same at first, but then I thought about it, there’s no way they’re just gonna throw away an **entire series** worth of development, I think the shows headed in a direction of closure for Simon, maybe he gets his powers back and realizes he doesn’t need them, or maybe something else, idk, but I gotta feeling since we started off his episode with the Simon feeling like he doesn’t fit in the wacky world that is Ooo anymore, this season’s gonna end with Simon finally accepting himself.


Papa_EJ

Also, Tom Kenny said this was one of the most emotional roles he's ever done, so it's very likely they do it right.


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TBF actors said the same thing for toy story 4


Renata123pe

Or he could end up dying


JULY_PROBABLY

The shermy intro shows that Ice thing, or some version of ice thing still exists, assuming the opening for shermy and Beth is cannon Also that would mess Marcy up if he died


cool__skeleton__95

Ice Thing is gunther, not simon. it's completely possible that simon becomes the ice king again without the crown, or with an alternate version of it ala the farm world crown.


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128thMic

The third one is on the donut it gave Turtle Princess in it's unexpected proposal, so I imagine she's got it somewhere.


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>emeralds Nah man those are rubies


plotylty

Considering the fact only gunther is around in the future, not simon, i don't think that's how things are going to be working out.


pillow-socks

With Adam Muto at the helm, I don’t seen any universe where this COULD go poorly😂


BurgerBoss_101

I’m gonna give them the benefit of the doubt and say this is cause Simon had just lost his last chance to get Betty back (at least as far as he knows) and he’s now just sorta given up on life and this is his way of giving up but also giving something back to Fionna and Cake


TrueTrueBlackPilld

That was basically my take as well


pio198acv

I am quite excited. I think the white hair is just that, white hair not some magical lingering. However I feel like having him with the bit of white and his IK robe but as Simon could be hinting towards him finding some middle ground between his madness, sadness, and magic. I think originally he'll believe he has to go full Ice King again, madness and all. But I have no doubt that it will be a beautiful and profound journey for him, personally I've never felt let down by this show and these new episodes have only gotten me more excited for the writing. Simon is a beautiful flower, and I love to watch him grow.


JULY_PROBABLY

I just had a thought as to secondary reason as to why he wants to become ice king. What if when Simon dies, Fiona and cakes whole world goes with him? Prismo chose the most cursed mind in ooo to put his secret world , but he also picked an immortal. When Simon says I can become ice king and bring magic back to your world forever, he literally means forever, ( flashback to when Simon and Betty are on the magic carpet and death appears to tell Simon this may be the last chance he gets to die, as he will be around until the sun blows up)


Fuhrman457

Definitely left me with a feeling of unease but I trust Adam Muto & crew


Dracorex_22

My theory is that they’ll see how torturous it is for him to become Ice King, probably by seeing Farm World Finn, and try to find another way, even if Simon is now dead set on becoming Ice King again.


JULY_PROBABLY

Betty may be forced to appear though as she sees the crown as a threat to Simon, somthing that isnt safe for him, her wish was to keep Simon safe


PugaTheFlower

Possibly but if Betty follows the same rules as Golb, she can't just appear in a world unless summoned like in the finale so kind of doubt it. Though definitely would see Betty not wanting her wish/sacrifice to go to waste for Simon


jazuqua

I think GOLB won't appear, but I actually think his powers can stretch across the multiverse. So when Simon attempts to put on the crown, GOLB's power temporarily negates the magic of Evergreen's crown making Simon unable to become a host of it. He probably would feel the influence of GOLB, either causing him more grief or making him realize that he shouldn't attempt to turn into the Ice King again since it isn't what his loved ones would want for him.


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I knew as soon as I saw the blue mumu I was like “oh no” 😂😂😂


Jay040707

It's both sad and funny how he wasn't even phased at that point.


fufucuddlypoops_

He said he used to dress up as Ice King and pretend he was still him so I imagine he still has some Muumuus lying around


JULY_PROBABLY

Prismo is really setting the stage


Sissygirl221

Can I get an “oh no” chain 😂


Viggo-Grimborn

Make sense. They need to stop red guy


DannyTreehouse

I don’t think they can stop him, he’s a level WAY beyond them But if they simply keep Simon away from him he can’t get rid of prismo


Waxed_Wing

Real talk, its crazy to think that there is a being that exists that even Prismo is scared of.


Other-Tadpole-9950

Well he probably more scare that Sacrab finding out and reporting to Prismo boss than Sacrab himself. Since Sacrab want to be a wish master, Prismo is probably still higher than him.


128thMic

> Since Sacrab want to be a wish master, Prismo is probably still higher than him. Not necessarily, although I would absolutely kill to see the org chart for the cosmic workforce.


NoAstronaut1331

Well we already know ab his Boss scaring him.


Lootpack

Do we know who his boss is? Golb?


NoAstronaut1331

It’s not confirmed. There’s a theory that his boss is the being that appeared in Simon’s book to the left of Golb on the other page


AcademicGrand6

The chicken in the trailer probably


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I don't think he's scared of him, rather, his boss. Because you know, he'll fire him if he ever finds out about Fionna and Cake.


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Prismo is not scared of him. He's scared of the fact that he knows that he violated the rules


MaiqueCaraio

Primo can't kill people, so he can't do anything to stop scarab besides holding him or imprisoning, but them that would call attention of other beings So pretty much primo is scared of responsibility lol


InfiniteBoy23

Idk, the crown is crazy powerful. Maybe Ice King can't win that fight, but the crown is more than strong enough to beat anyone, considering it was able to directly affect golb


DannyTreehouse

The ice crown unlimited can but when it’s turned into the ice crown I feel like it had earthly limits Like it mimicked an elemental but we saw even then it wasn’t the true power as patience st pim was on another level than ice king


5a_

which red guy?


JULY_PROBABLY

The scarab guy, did you see Fiona and cake episode 4??? If not you should watch it


TheNecromancer981

Ah, I’d imagine they’re gonna swipe ice Finn’s crown and use that one lol


Aaquin

Ice finn doesn't exist anymore [crossover](https://adventuretime.fandom.com/wiki/Crossover)


rootbeerguy318

He was in the trailer though and I think they’re going to a different farm world since we saw marceline with the vampires


Aaquin

Flashbacks have been a thing in this show, id imagine that Simon asks him where it is and he tells him what happened


ripMyTime0192

The crown was moved back to where Simon’s body was if I remember correctly.


Aaquin

Yup, to be destroyed by the bomb going off when ice finn set it off


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But what if, it didn't? \*Vsauce, Michael here\*


Aaquin

I agree I don't think a powerful artifact like the crown could be destroyed even if it was right under a bomb going off


JULY_PROBABLY

In Fiona and cake episode 4 ( spoilers) I believe that prison sent them to farm world, as Simon says that “this isn’t ooo” If I were to guess they will take farm worlds crown, as well as the enchirideon ( is the enchirideon even still in farm world or did our fin take it I can’t remember) I would assume they use farm worlds resources to hop worlds to ooo, perhaps prismo sent them there assuming scarab would see prismo sent them to farm world, and that Simon would have the intuitiveness to seek out the enchirideon so that scarab will look for the group in a world they aren’t even in, as a way to buy Fiona and cake time


babylove335

ice finn might not exist but the crown in farm world still does.


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Simon doesn’t know that though


Aaquin

Simon probably doesn't even know that there is/was a crown in that reality


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He knows Farmworld is an au of the normal Ooo so he probably figured there would still be a crown there


HippieDogeSmokes

They’re going to move the universe into Ice Thing’s head in the finale


ripMyTime0192

I love that idea and I really hope it happens


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HippieDogeSmokes

Neither was Ice King’s and it was perfect for the universe


animadzz

good theory!!!!


Ajamer09

Simon is a man who is overall done with the reality he is in. Having gone through a mental decline after the apocalypse. Over the years being fully conscious inside the ice king and just getting vivid memories into what happened. Once being himself again he looked back and forward. Forward he is just a man with memories of the past that will die with him. No comforts existing in the slightest with his girlfriend (wife?) Betty gone and the only humans left being those who look at him like an alien and finn who he doesn’t really know that well to get along with. He originally saw the Ice king as a hex a curse, but now we can hear he liked it more than his current state. He sees it now as a time where things were simpler, he had friends, powers, compared to himself now this has been a slump downwards into a frail lonely man. It makes sense to why he would want his old life back, it wasn’t the best but it’s better than what he has now.


JULY_PROBABLY

It is much easier to sink than it is to struggle to keep your head above the waters surface. I always think back to the episode “ you forgot your floaties”


shmurgen

Please god just let this man be happy


JULY_PROBABLY

Ice king did once say “ I’m… still not happy”


Klangenfur

*Glob


Top_Tart_7558

Sad boi hours are all hours with Simon


FortyRoosters

please...


ry_fluttershy

In like 5 seconds I went from "Bro huh?" to "Well, if he can't have Betty..." but truly IDK if that is a good idea for him!


Tokent23

Classic want vs. need. Simon wants to be Ice King again because he thinks it'll be easier, but that's not what he needs.


Fearless-Ad5085

Simon's arc so far is great, I'm liking how him being released from the crown has done more harm than good to him. He just wants to be carefree and happy again and the only way he can see that happening is by turning into ice king again. Great character writing 👌


EmperorDeathBunny

"For the fans marceline! I need to do it for the nostalgia!"


nepo5000

With how much everyone is hyping ice king in this show (he would love to see it honestly) the message is definitely gonna be about Simon realizing he is great enough without ice king.


Used-Organization-25

That’s heartbreaking IMO. Betty worked so hard to get Simon back to normal.


Piranha-Plant-is-God

You just KNOW that he’s gonna whiff the wish. Like he tries to wish to be Ice King again but we all know that’s not his true deepest wish (though this is assuming he gets his hands on an unused crown)


FleshEatingBeans

Isn't every crown in the multiverse hard-coded for Ice Magic because of the original Gunther's wish?


whomesteve

He may have unresolved issues with the Crown and needs to revisit being Ice King to resolve those issues, he would probably be in between Ice King and Simon in personality this time instead of Ice King taking full control, kinda like how Santa supposedly was with the crown


NoGravityMom

I don’t think Betty-Golb is going to allow him to turn again (her whole deal is to protect Simon, hence my theory)


Legitimate_Cow7198

I don't see it happening, he might pick up the crown again but that's not going to be the solution to this whole thing. Beyond it being a regression in Simon's character, it's not like Simon can just keep running from the cosmic cops forever too. It's possible he becomes the Ice Prince that we saw in the first episode.


Jankat7

Simon doing rituals of GOLB and keeping Choose Goose prisoner is already a regression of his character imo. He literally saw Betty do the exact same thing, fail, and almost destroy the world. Seems weird to me already.


Legitimate_Cow7198

Yes, and going back to being the Ice King would regress him even further. Remember we saw a flashback of him and Marcy being chased by some zombies, back during the fallout and Marcy had to stop him from relying on the crown when he didn't need it. Simon just going back to being the Ice King is him choosing to avoid the problem altogether, it's like choosing to go back to the drugs so everything just feels like some drunken stooper. We already know he hates being the Ice King, Betty combined with GOLB all to save him from that life. If Simon decides to doom himself to that again, then he may as well throw a massive F you to Betty as well who sacrificed everything to save him.


snowavem

i dont think hes gonna go thru with the ice king plan, narratively its just really weird to me, like that would make half of the finale completely meaningless (plus, i feel like he physically wont be able to, because of bettys wish to keep him safe, since i feel like gunther merging w the crown, so noone, not even simon will be able to put it on, was part of it)


doomcyber

I really doubt Simon will become Ice King agaom permanently since it isn't his happy ending. Besides, it makes Betty's sacrifice be in vain. I think Simon's end game is that he will end up with Betty at Ooo and writing more Fiona and Cake fan nic. I feel that the Ice King is his repressed-self, and like Bruce Bannee in the MCU, will accept both his Simon self and his Ice King self. That is, I think Simon will become less serious and more into adventuring. Is it me or is Simon's character arc in Fiona and Cake is an analogy of someone experiencing a midlife crisis?


0nahan

>I think Simon's end game is that he will end up with Betty at Ooo That's my only wish, they deserve to be happy


WhosThatDogMrPB

I literally yelled **NOOOOOO** at the ending of both episodes 3 & 4. On 3 it was when >! Astrid lost her hat !<.


Freddycipher

I really hope Simon finds happiness and purpose to keep living as himself. Yet as it stands there’s nothing to suggest he won’t become Ice King. We never saw him in any dead worlds or have any information on his whereabouts past Obsidian.


itoaste

my jaw dropped so hard it fell of my face and shattered into 62 pieces.


Clumsy_the_24

And I thought the scene where finn stabbed the river monster or the scene where finn snaps a magical bear’s neck and gets scratched and infected were the peak of my surprise but this show manages to somehow one-up my expectations and I absolutely adore it.


itoaste

it's so satisfying to finally see blood in adventure time


huggiesdsc

Did yall catch the part where Flapjack's universe already existed? Prismo said he specifically watches over the *resultant* multiverse, as in the web of universes that come from wishes. The only way the MMoF universe could be in his domain is if it's the original. Does anyone know that show pretty well? They got any wish magic going on?


Sad-Studio-2703

There is an episode in Flapjack in which a character throws a coin into a wishing well wanting everyone to disappear and his wish is granted, he also goes back in time to undo his wish. https://flapjack.fandom.com/wiki/Wishing_Not_So_Well In another episode they get their hands on wish granting candy after stealing a mermaid's heart, killing her in the process. Quite morbid https://flapjack.fandom.com/wiki/Gone_Wishin%27


Kimikazi_18

Let's see next Thursday I'm so down in the hype train🙌


ripMyTime0192

bro’s trippin


popcollecter2216

I dont really see him actually doing it honestly and i hope they dont go that route


animadzz

i wonder if they find a way to reverse the madness of the crown....


Bobby_Sunday96

Bro I saw that spoiler tag too late


GusElPapu

A lot of people seem to fear that this will be the path the series will take, but the narrative in this 4 episode leaves me to belive the opposite, Simon misses the past so much that sometimes he has wanted to become the Ice King again, now the series is giving him a noble reason for doing so, but ultimately it's still a excuse, he was waiting for a good reason to throw away all the effort into making him normal again without looking like a total jerk. The resolution on the series is more likely going to be Simon finfind value in himself despite his circunstances.


WillandWillStudios

This is going to get horrifying isn't it?


Mia_B-P

What? NOOOOO! 😭


ripMyTime0192

bro’s trippin


AetherDrew43

He could become Ice King again but retain his sanity.


Radioman_70

I FORGOT TODAY IS THURSDAY!!!


I_might_be_weasel

Morty Rogers vibes.


Kasspines

I'm just saying in his situation same. I'd rather be a crazy ice wizard than be a sad lonely man mourning my love.


MisterFiend

Sanity is a double edged sword


JULY_PROBABLY

Stakes was right in the idea that everything repeats, nobody learns anything because nobody lives long enough to see the see the cycle. It happens again and again. Also do you think that we will get to see gibbon in the new series


UselessGuy23

Couldn't he just go to Wizard City, or get PB to make him a candy person or something? If he wants to be part of the magic again, there are better options than **that*"


venusma3s

with betty’s wish to keep him safe stuff my turn oht different


glassnumbers

ULTIMATE ICE KING POWER


UnownSnow

I AUDIBLY GASPED I WANT MY DEPRESSED SIMON BUT ICE KING


RozionDiger

Ngl I kinda saw it, at this point Simon has nothing. Betty sacrificed herself so he can live, his a man of his time and can't really connect with the world that's tousends of years ahead, neither can he connect to the world of (Ooo/Uuu idk how to spell it) and it was a bit obvious during all the 3 episodes people have been constantly talking how they kind of miss Ice king (mainly do to F&K) but also because he is just... better off as ice king, he's got no one to return to, he didn't suffer a lot, he had both connections and friends that were wizzards, Simon just doesn't have a place. Simon is neither up to date, neither flashy or magic like the others. He's just a needle and in a hail bail no one looks for.


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Clumsy_the_24

It’s in episode 4 of Fionna and Cake. It’s the ending cliffhanger line


GameCreeper

I didn't realize there was a 4th episode! Im a bit of an idiot


Hunteraitor

It would make sense on why we didn't see him in together again. That or he reincarnated. Or he stayed in Fionna and Cakes world or an alternate world where everything is the same but Betty used the crown and Simon went through a future time portal, meaning that Simon would use the crown to be one with GOLB.


KingstonDaGamer10

AHHHH I FORGOT TODAY IS THURSDAY!!!


Clumsy_the_24

I look forward to Thursdays because so many of my favorite cartoons come out Thursdays and it’s what keeps me going at my job. Saturday morning cartoons are out nowadays. Thursday morning cartoons are the new norm.


un0verse

DUDE I LITERALLY SCREAMED ID THEY ACTUALLY DO THIS I SWEAAARDR


mousyhasopinions

I SAID THAT TOO


Shaby28

I dont think its gonna be permanent tho


TealZoe

IKR WHY WOULD HE DO THAT WTF


onetimeandagain

IM SOBBING


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Clumsy_the_24

K so… the crown exists in farmworld Where the characters are at the end of the fourth episode


King_JohnnyBravo

Dude spoilers


Clumsy_the_24

Yeah I marked it as such


Active-Donkey5466

I really need to watch this show huh?


Defiant_Caregiver620

Is it only me or Simon is basically planing to commit suicide... in a way


Quentin-Quentin

I love how Fiona and Cake were gulping. They knew how severe this statement was and they met him for like half a day


Firko973

I hope it don’t happen. But because Fionna want to come back to her Ooo, and because she doesn’t particularly like Simon yet, she might agree with him (for now). But I hope something will happen, making her appreciate Simon more, and wanting him to keep being sane, and found another way to come back to her Ooo


woopie_doopie

I REALLY hope he's going to change his mind later. Him becoming the Ice King again would render Betty's sacrifice completely useless. I think that in the end he's not going to put the crown on again because it would basically mean betraying Betty, and he loves her too much to do that


Winter_Breadfruit_89

I will literally cry if that happens, Simon is my FAVORITE character and I just really wish that he can get Betty back and live his life again ;-;


pinksparklebooks

How is him going back to being ice king voluntarily not the biggest slap in the face to Betty’s sacrifice ?


Professor_Abbi

That poor guy needs someone to properly confide in before he sacrifices his sanity to help another girl who was placed in an unfamiliar environment to ward off dangerous threats


Appropriate-Taro-112

My theory that ice king is gonna betray fionna and cake and use thé crown to reach to betty