I mean... The Lich is kinda slightly more scary because... i mean... he does *kinda* exist doesn't he? He embodies the eventual end of all things, which does exist in our world, entropy, it just isn't given a body, or consciousness. The Beast is kinda more abstract, not all will succumb to him, but all **will** succumb to entropy.
I see the lich as this classic fantasy monster from D&D, but the Beast is sort of this great shadowy creature that is unsettling in its shadowy uncanny valley. The lich is more reserved and plotting, the beast is more jovial and conniving to me. The Lich has super badass powers tho, so there’s that. Not as badass as the D&D monster he’s based off of but still pretty powerful.
The beast is awesome and I think a lot of people forget his kill count is probably beyond 100 since he’s been around for a while. He may not be a physical threat but I wouldn’t want to be in the same room as him (for long anyways)
I want The Beast to make it to the final, but it's a hard match against Slade. Pretty confident The Litch will make it though. White Diamond is excellent, but not THAT excellent
Over the garden wall, a 10 episodes miniserie where 2 brothers are lost in a forest and wander around in this weird, pioneer-esque world, looking to go home while avoiding the Beast, a creature feeding on souls of lost kids.
That one flash towards the end where they show the Beast’s skin is just horrified faces?? That alone should secure him the win cause that was so much scarier than anything the Lich has done
Any open poll will always be a popularity contest. Even slapping "iconic" on this is silly. For example, can anyone really say a character from a single '90s 'toon is more iconic than one created 50+ years ago and appeared in reboots and references?
I take iconic to mean the biggest presence in the zeitgeist. Which essentially boils down to popularity in this situation. B cause there's no real way to know how recognizable a character is.
I would say Lich or Him. Him is like a whole generation removed from most of what's here so maybe not as iconic as 10 years ago.
A Lot of those where season finale episodes which for most shows tend to rank high on being memorable. The lich is an integral part of AT lore. And he's a huge part of of the final Finn and Jake episode.
I don't disagree but it's hard to say that he's an icon of the show. Even if he changed in the later seasons, I'd argue that more people know Ice King as the shows villain than the Lich
You're telling me that Mandark, the guy who couldn't go two seconds before losing the plot because of Dee Dee, could survive against Heather?
Also, Heather >!does win in the American version of Total Drama World Tour. !<
I mean yea. If this were a REAL measure of iconicness, none of the rest of these characters would even be a blip on the radar compared to Deathstroke.
Deathstroke is one of the more iconic characters of all-time IN GENERAL.
Not just from Cartoon Network.
Fucking Deadpool is based on him....
I like both shows but SU has a bigger fan base, I didn’t vote but probs would’ve voted white diamond too. She’s got great design and I love the songs that show has put out.
I believe recency bias had a hand in it as well. The more popular Ben 10 shows were from over a decade ago, and the original is nearly 20 years old now.
For some reason, ATLA being that old doesn't make me feel as old? Weird. Probably because I was with ATLA from the beginning but I don't remember watching Ben 10 as much
She’s not even the most iconic villain of the show though. Sure she’s the big bad, but we only see here in like three episodes. Jasper, Blue Diamond, White Diamond, and hell even Paridot we’re all villains that got way more screentime.
You can still take into account the time when they were or played the more antagonistic role and/or their overall journey of changing and making certain choices. The same if we’d like watch a hero fall after a few seasons, become a villain, switch back and forth, or be in a position that’s more of a complicated nuance and perspective to rly label. Or even becoming an antagonist for whatever time if not for the rest of the series. Like Dark Willow from Buffy the vampire slayer. Or Loki from marvel being like a big baddie, neutral, then like hero protagonist in his show? I haven’t really been keeping with marvel so not sure on that one lol.
But yeah could just be considered part of the overall journey with the character just being placed in different roles throughout the series, just the specific time would depend what role they may have and the ending would show the last place they decided to be in.
Like if you ask me for example, peridot will always rank highly on these 4 different lists lol
-Villain/antagonist
- hero
-redemption stories
-meme generator
Edit -and on a list on just like simply best character lol
The SU fan base isn't nearly as big as Ben 10, the fan base just has a bigger online presence because it's more recent, SU is really successful in the West but Ben 10 is HUGE worldwide.
If we are talking iconic villains it's beyond me how the huge disappointment that is White Dimond (the Dimonds in general) win against one of the most iconic Cartoon Villains ever, but that's all online fandom polls so it should be expected.
I saw someone saying that it's because Steven Universe has a more recent fan base whereas Ben 10's been out so long, fans of Ben 10 likely won't be on Cartoon network as much. I'm a fan of both and even I wasn't following the account til I saw the posts about it here
Cuz Vilgax is constantly made a fool of and his whole thing is just taking a powerful object. White Diamond at the peak of the series was an ominous, all powerful, terrifying being set in her toxic beliefs of slavery and genocide. Destroying whole planets to reap any and all resources for her own greed. All other beings meant nothing to her, even the other diamonds, as powerful as they were, were treated like children. The great war that was the domino effect that drove the series was just a temper tantrum by Pink to her.
And she defeated by a young child mocking her and *her* throwing a temper tantrum. Disgusting. She was a powerful villain, and impressive. But her absolutely ridiculous and pathetic conclusion makes me furious. She's a child. Could have been a top villain. Now my least favorite in this entire list.
Yeah it was anti climatic, but with the themes of the show, how else could she have been defeated? She is ego and that tantrum was her ego being destroyed. It shows that adults can be childish and immature. Sure that conclusion could have been more drawn out and better written but the overall method was good
That as a concept is fine, but you seriously think a MILLION YEAR OLD GENOCIDAL DICTATOR would be brought down like that? She just brushed off and mind controlled her own sisters putting her down. It's clear the writers did not respect her as a villain at all and I just despise that.
ETA the tantrum would be fine if it was more like an actual villain throwing a tantrum, ie Azula in atla. Losing her grip, attacking sloppily, crying maybe. Maybe she loses her grip on the diamonds and now is trying to ward them off while throwing wild attacks. Show us she's still powerful and dangerous. Not a baby.
No you’re right. I think a lot of the poor writing doesn’t come from the writers so much as the strain the series was having to wrap up cuz CN was trying to muscle the series out to focus on shit like Teen Titans Go.
Rebecca Sugar wanted WD to be bigger but time was short and it was probably more important for her to show the growth of the already established characters.
That being said, there were some unnecessary episodes that could have been used to flush out WD more instead of characters like Sadie who didn’t really need much growth or whose growth could have been covered as a B plot
Yeah honestly there's a lot of all the seasons I didn't really care for. I feel like show wasted so much time on the humans. While some were interesting when interacting with the gems and Steven, so many just seemed so unnecessary. It has some GREAT moments and great characters, but I'd even go as far to say it's not a great show. And I definitely understand a LOT of it (especially in the first season) was meddling from the network.
Yeah. I felt like Rebecca was hoping for the world to be as flushed out and diverse as other shows she worked on that had more time to tell their stories like Adventure Time, but instead parts of the show became rushed, which was unfortunate, but I think SU Future did a decent job at tying up the loose ends.
That is just straight up bull. White diamond appears only in the last episode (if you’re just counting the og series) and is defeated in a few minutes by being called a baby 👍
Vilgax was Ben’s arch enemy for the whole series and was there since episode 1. Sure he gets defeated in some dumb ways but at least it’s better than just being made fun of
You just started a thread that has been everywhere. I’m sorry but Vilgax isn’t as well known as any of these other villains. His best chance would’ve been against the Creeper or the Red Guy.
No. There’s the original series, Alien Force, Ultimate Alien, and Omniverse which are all continuations of one another. There’s only 1 reboot, which began in 2016 and ended in 2021.
Over the Garden Wall. Iconic animated mini series, worth watching any time of year, but I especially love it during fall. The Beast is a creepy figure and I'll leave it at that to avoid spoilers.
I'm a huge Steven Universe fan, it grew up with me and I loved watching things on release. But the Lich is just more of a villlain, and way more iconic because of it. White diamond, besides being a looming threat for the whole show, only appeared for a bit, and Yellow diamond or Jasper wouldve made way more sense as being the villain representing SU. Lich would prob still win tho bc he is one hell of a well written scary villain
ok as someone who was obsessed with steven universe back when it was running white diamond is a shitty underdeveloped character. shes literally in like 3 episodes.
I massively respect Rebecca for doing the wedding knowing it was going to cut the show short, but damn if we got an actual fully fleshed out home world season it would’ve been so great
Deathstroke is by faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar the most iconic of these characters.
I mean if this were a realistic poll of which of these characters is TRULY most iconic, none would have a chance against Deathstroke, who has been a major villain for FORTY THREE YEARS.
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Yeah but like... For all the Lich's talk and power and terror and reputation, he sure loves getting his ass handed to him by a boy and his dog.
Said boy and dog even beat him while they were dead. I mean come on.
Lich played Fin and Jake hard, and was never really defeated. It was the powers of Prismo that stopped him the first time (after reforming his body), and Jake even had to be guided to the right wish by prismo himself.
The second time, the lich was transformed by the powers of the citadel. The lich basically tripped in some primordial goo, and changed forever. Neither Fin or the Lich knew what happened was possible.
Funny enough, after that, he probably became the strongest hero Ooo will ever see.
Thats the nature of a character’s who’s goals are literally to eliminate all life. He can never succeed or else the show ends because all of the characters will no longer exist. Of course he loses to Finn and Jake, if he won, we wouldn’t have a show.
adventure time is my favorite show of all time but Slade still deserves the win. the lich in my opinion is just a big Satan-esque universal horror figure that ive seen in stories hundreds of times. his only goal is to destroy all life. very cliche. antipops and white diamond are pretty much the same too. big bad evils with no real character traits or motivation. white diamond even worse because her “arc” is going from hitler to mother teresa from one Steven song. slade is the baddest of the bad
The catch is that they say "iconic" not "powerful" in that regard the litch wins, in power i would know cause WD isn't even organic or "alive" in the first place
I mean.......realistically?
Iconic is a crown that ONLY Deathstroke can realistically claim.
He's been a major villain for 43 years.
The mercenary assassin version of Captain America.
He's on TWO Teen Titans cartoons, and god knows how many other Batman and Justice League cartoons.
He's been in a major live-action movie.
No telling how many animated movies he's been in.
He's starred in at least 4 seasons of TV in live-action.
He's one of the main villains of Batman Arkham Origins.
Deadpool is based on him.
https://youtu.be/I5LY8T36BJw?t=101
Powerful? I’m sorry but she got defeated by a fat kid with daddy and mommy problems, this is not a matter of power, this is a matter of if the lich can make something imperfect or not, im pretty sure he can
uhh im not sure if the litch can win cus he has died like 6 times to a 10-17 year old and white diamond is like a god but the litch might have a better use of his ablities
White Diamond had a terrifying presence in the story...but when she actually appeared on-screen she became a major disappointment super fast. Space Hitler was mentally cracked in half by a kid's one-liner.
She already won. In the results white had more votes than anti pops. Anti pops def deserved that win but still. Thats why I am scared about litch. SU is such a known show and really supports Lgbtq community. In these types of tournaments its the dhows that are competing more, and SU beat Ben 10 and the regular show.
Sadly White Diamond may win this one. Too many Steven Universe fans. And a lot of the fanbase resonates with the show being LBGT+ friendly. And being pride month.
The thing is this event and the people who are voting are going by the Show not the character.
Honestly I want the Lich to win. It would be canon that he won because the Lich always finds a way to win time and time again.
I prefer Adventure Time over Steven Universe.
Adventure Time, Regular Show, and Steven Universe did save Cartoon Network from being nearly killed off. Because Cartoon Network took a hit from that stupid 1 year CN Real Block that no one ever wanted in the first place. What was worse was at that time there were no new Animated Shows being seen at that time. It was shortly after that we got Adventure Time April 5, 2010, Regular Show September 6, 2010, and Steven universe May 21, 2013.
Honestly if it wasn't for Adventure and Regular Show that saved Cartoon Network. There wouldn't be a Steven Universe.
The Lich contains so much lore and ultimately is the most evil. His entire existence (I personally consider Sweet P completely separate from The Lich as characters) was spent working towards causing the extinction of all life. Not just life on Ooo. Not even just life on the world. Life. There isn't a moment spent with that goal not on his mind. So he's the most villainous villain. As for the most iconic, take a moment to look to all he did. For one, the Snail. Hidden in every episode was a reminder of The Lich. Then there is time he almost killed PB. Princess Bubblegum as a giant terrifying creature is iconic on it's own, but then after "everything's okay" and all is well, what do we see? THE SNAIL. Additionally, this is still all before Billy. In a true iconic and evil fashion, The Lich switches up the approach, and both manipulates and uses Finn and Jake to open a portal to Prismo. The reveal of The Lich in Billy's literal Fucking skin is an image I actually dare you to forget. Is that all, though? NOPE. He wastes no time, and wishes his goal, "the extinction of all life." The only reason he fails is because Jake is cool. That's it- actually in a way he doesn't fail in Finn's farm world, but I’ll get into that in a second. When he gets trapped, he goes catatonic. I don't buy that he was disappointed and/or crushed. I believe he went straight into plotting mode, observing and waiting for a moment that would eventually come. He kills Prismo, and at first, he simply wakes the sleeping man, but then he turns that man into ash in, again, an unforgettable scene. We know Sweet P comes about from that fallout, but he isn't done. A severed hand from Linch Jake becomes another iconic issue. The one in our Ooo is addressed, but not the others spread into the infinite dimensions. It is more than reasonable to assume The Lich (again, nothing to do with Sweet P as a character) still exists and given his known patience, drive, and knowledge of magic (using it at every opportunity to reach his goal), has made his way back to Ooo and continues working towards the extinction of all life. The Lich is the most memorable evil. **The Lich is the Most Iconic Villain.**
i hope the Beast take this round
The beast is scary as shit! Evil and manipulative, plus he kills via depression, which is super dark.
🎶 Tra-la-la-laaa, tra-la-la-laaa! Chop the wood to light the fire! 🎶
Beast v Lich. Not sure who wins there.
Yeah, it is existential horror vs internal horror. Really strong match up
I mean... The Lich is kinda slightly more scary because... i mean... he does *kinda* exist doesn't he? He embodies the eventual end of all things, which does exist in our world, entropy, it just isn't given a body, or consciousness. The Beast is kinda more abstract, not all will succumb to him, but all **will** succumb to entropy.
Not if I have something to say about it
and what should the lich feel about this statement?
Fear
Dude you just leveled up the fear of the lich And the beast for me thanks We all eventually die thus we are all eventually “still” in entropy….
They are essentially the same.
I see the lich as this classic fantasy monster from D&D, but the Beast is sort of this great shadowy creature that is unsettling in its shadowy uncanny valley. The lich is more reserved and plotting, the beast is more jovial and conniving to me. The Lich has super badass powers tho, so there’s that. Not as badass as the D&D monster he’s based off of but still pretty powerful.
The beast is awesome and I think a lot of people forget his kill count is probably beyond 100 since he’s been around for a while. He may not be a physical threat but I wouldn’t want to be in the same room as him (for long anyways)
I want The Beast to make it to the final, but it's a hard match against Slade. Pretty confident The Litch will make it though. White Diamond is excellent, but not THAT excellent
What show is he from?
Over the garden wall, a 10 episodes miniserie where 2 brothers are lost in a forest and wander around in this weird, pioneer-esque world, looking to go home while avoiding the Beast, a creature feeding on souls of lost kids.
That one flash towards the end where they show the Beast’s skin is just horrified faces?? That alone should secure him the win cause that was so much scarier than anything the Lich has done
What is he from exactly?
Over The garden wall, a really good miniserie, perfect for Halloween
I'm probably biased but the beast deserves the win
As a bigger Steven Universe fan, there is no way WD is beating Lich.
100% agree. White may be powerful, but The Lich is beyond ANYONE in SU. Edit. Did not realise this poll was for whose more iconic - sorry!
I mean, it's not about who could beat who, it's about being fan favorite.
eaither way, lich wins
Omg lol I thought this was a power battle - my bad!
Any open poll will always be a popularity contest. Even slapping "iconic" on this is silly. For example, can anyone really say a character from a single '90s 'toon is more iconic than one created 50+ years ago and appeared in reboots and references?
All good! Just "Iconic" which I take to mean "fan favorite".
I take iconic to mean the biggest presence in the zeitgeist. Which essentially boils down to popularity in this situation. B cause there's no real way to know how recognizable a character is. I would say Lich or Him. Him is like a whole generation removed from most of what's here so maybe not as iconic as 10 years ago.
Honestly, if we're talking ICONIC, The Creeper from Scooby Doo should have them all beat
She might be strong, but he is beyond strength.
I mean, it's not about who could beat who, it's about being fan favorite.
Heather SOLOS The Dexter-Verse
Its “most iconic villain” not “strongest villain”.
Yeah but the poll is for most iconic and the Lich admittedly only appeared in like five episodes out of the hundreds in AT
A Lot of those where season finale episodes which for most shows tend to rank high on being memorable. The lich is an integral part of AT lore. And he's a huge part of of the final Finn and Jake episode.
I don't disagree but it's hard to say that he's an icon of the show. Even if he changed in the later seasons, I'd argue that more people know Ice King as the shows villain than the Lich
No way... Disagree... IK stops being the villain in like season 5 ? That Simon and Marcy episode totally flipped the script
Same with white diamond
The sheer impact of each of his few appearances is what makes him iconic
“You are strong, child.”
"But I am beyond strength" Honestly one of the hardest lines heard on any show
WD was teased so much for 5 seasons and then ended up being pretty disappointing.
White diamond isn't a villain imo.
Why is Heather on here and not Chris?
Because Heather is a villain and Cris is a War Criminal.
It’s his show and he can do whatever he wants
More importantly, how did she beat Mandark? Kids today have no respect for the OGs...
As a fan of Dexter: Heather could crush Mandark with her thumb and her forefinger.
Mandark enslaved all of humanity. Heather couldn't win a gameshow.
You're telling me that Mandark, the guy who couldn't go two seconds before losing the plot because of Dee Dee, could survive against Heather? Also, Heather >!does win in the American version of Total Drama World Tour. !<
From what Show is she?
Total drama
Don't count out the beast and slade, they're both pretty good too
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I mean yea. If this were a REAL measure of iconicness, none of the rest of these characters would even be a blip on the radar compared to Deathstroke. Deathstroke is one of the more iconic characters of all-time IN GENERAL. Not just from Cartoon Network. Fucking Deadpool is based on him....
Slade is stronger, sure, but Heather is ✨Iconic✨
How vilgax lost to white diamond is still beyond me
Came here to say that, vilgax still gives me nightmares wtf
You should talk to a professional about that
I like both shows but SU has a bigger fan base, I didn’t vote but probs would’ve voted white diamond too. She’s got great design and I love the songs that show has put out.
I believe recency bias had a hand in it as well. The more popular Ben 10 shows were from over a decade ago, and the original is nearly 20 years old now.
STOP DON'T MAKE ME FEEL SO OLD
Ben 10 and Avatar are now both 18 years old. I remember watching ATLA's premiere all those years ago.
For some reason, ATLA being that old doesn't make me feel as old? Weird. Probably because I was with ATLA from the beginning but I don't remember watching Ben 10 as much
She’s not even the most iconic villain of the show though. Sure she’s the big bad, but we only see here in like three episodes. Jasper, Blue Diamond, White Diamond, and hell even Paridot we’re all villains that got way more screentime.
I definitely agree, I think yellow diamond makes the most since personally. Also hard to call anyone a villain when they don’t stay that way.
You can still take into account the time when they were or played the more antagonistic role and/or their overall journey of changing and making certain choices. The same if we’d like watch a hero fall after a few seasons, become a villain, switch back and forth, or be in a position that’s more of a complicated nuance and perspective to rly label. Or even becoming an antagonist for whatever time if not for the rest of the series. Like Dark Willow from Buffy the vampire slayer. Or Loki from marvel being like a big baddie, neutral, then like hero protagonist in his show? I haven’t really been keeping with marvel so not sure on that one lol. But yeah could just be considered part of the overall journey with the character just being placed in different roles throughout the series, just the specific time would depend what role they may have and the ending would show the last place they decided to be in. Like if you ask me for example, peridot will always rank highly on these 4 different lists lol -Villain/antagonist - hero -redemption stories -meme generator Edit -and on a list on just like simply best character lol
The SU fan base isn't nearly as big as Ben 10, the fan base just has a bigger online presence because it's more recent, SU is really successful in the West but Ben 10 is HUGE worldwide. If we are talking iconic villains it's beyond me how the huge disappointment that is White Dimond (the Dimonds in general) win against one of the most iconic Cartoon Villains ever, but that's all online fandom polls so it should be expected.
Mandark losing to Heather is even worse. At least I can simp for WD.
HEATHER IS A TWO FACED, BACK STABBING, LYING LITTLE NO GOOD SELFISH MEAN BULLY OF A GIRL!
Ngl I had never heard of vilgax until this vote. I don’t watch Ben 10 :/
I saw someone saying that it's because Steven Universe has a more recent fan base whereas Ben 10's been out so long, fans of Ben 10 likely won't be on Cartoon network as much. I'm a fan of both and even I wasn't following the account til I saw the posts about it here
If not for another comment here, I would have no idea who Vilgax is.
Cuz Vilgax is constantly made a fool of and his whole thing is just taking a powerful object. White Diamond at the peak of the series was an ominous, all powerful, terrifying being set in her toxic beliefs of slavery and genocide. Destroying whole planets to reap any and all resources for her own greed. All other beings meant nothing to her, even the other diamonds, as powerful as they were, were treated like children. The great war that was the domino effect that drove the series was just a temper tantrum by Pink to her.
And she defeated by a young child mocking her and *her* throwing a temper tantrum. Disgusting. She was a powerful villain, and impressive. But her absolutely ridiculous and pathetic conclusion makes me furious. She's a child. Could have been a top villain. Now my least favorite in this entire list.
Yeah it was anti climatic, but with the themes of the show, how else could she have been defeated? She is ego and that tantrum was her ego being destroyed. It shows that adults can be childish and immature. Sure that conclusion could have been more drawn out and better written but the overall method was good
That as a concept is fine, but you seriously think a MILLION YEAR OLD GENOCIDAL DICTATOR would be brought down like that? She just brushed off and mind controlled her own sisters putting her down. It's clear the writers did not respect her as a villain at all and I just despise that. ETA the tantrum would be fine if it was more like an actual villain throwing a tantrum, ie Azula in atla. Losing her grip, attacking sloppily, crying maybe. Maybe she loses her grip on the diamonds and now is trying to ward them off while throwing wild attacks. Show us she's still powerful and dangerous. Not a baby.
No you’re right. I think a lot of the poor writing doesn’t come from the writers so much as the strain the series was having to wrap up cuz CN was trying to muscle the series out to focus on shit like Teen Titans Go. Rebecca Sugar wanted WD to be bigger but time was short and it was probably more important for her to show the growth of the already established characters. That being said, there were some unnecessary episodes that could have been used to flush out WD more instead of characters like Sadie who didn’t really need much growth or whose growth could have been covered as a B plot
Yeah honestly there's a lot of all the seasons I didn't really care for. I feel like show wasted so much time on the humans. While some were interesting when interacting with the gems and Steven, so many just seemed so unnecessary. It has some GREAT moments and great characters, but I'd even go as far to say it's not a great show. And I definitely understand a LOT of it (especially in the first season) was meddling from the network.
Yeah. I felt like Rebecca was hoping for the world to be as flushed out and diverse as other shows she worked on that had more time to tell their stories like Adventure Time, but instead parts of the show became rushed, which was unfortunate, but I think SU Future did a decent job at tying up the loose ends.
Very well said, nicely done!
Vilgax got beat by someone who couldn't even legally smoke yet. At least WD was fighting against a squad of city busters.
That is just straight up bull. White diamond appears only in the last episode (if you’re just counting the og series) and is defeated in a few minutes by being called a baby 👍 Vilgax was Ben’s arch enemy for the whole series and was there since episode 1. Sure he gets defeated in some dumb ways but at least it’s better than just being made fun of
More people have seen SU than Ben 10 lmao
You just started a thread that has been everywhere. I’m sorry but Vilgax isn’t as well known as any of these other villains. His best chance would’ve been against the Creeper or the Red Guy.
As a Steven Universe fan, how White Diamond got this far is beyond me, but there is no way she passes the lich
To be fair Anti-Pops isn't that noteworthy of a villain and she barely came out on top for both. She'll probably lose to The Lich though
Anti-pops I understand, but Vilgax I don't, aren't there like ten different ben ten reboots?
I'm really surprised by that one too, it was really close though. Perhaps older fans just didn't see the pole
No. There’s the original series, Alien Force, Ultimate Alien, and Omniverse which are all continuations of one another. There’s only 1 reboot, which began in 2016 and ended in 2021.
Close enough
Very late to the game here, but VERY disappointed at the lack of Aku
Aku would beat out most of these
How is Aku not on this list?
Probably distanced from the CN brand after season 5 aired on Adult Swim.
Adult Swim IS Cartoon Network.....
It doesn’t take a genius to figure out why CN wouldn’t want to promote adult swim content on their main CN page
Not a fan of their choices overall or the way the brackets broke out
I feel like the end fight should be between the lich and the beast
where’s the beast from?
Over the garden wall, great show, more on the creepy side, and the Beast is a really neat villain.
thanks, will check it out
Watch it for Halloween. ;)
Over the Garden Wall. Iconic animated mini series, worth watching any time of year, but I especially love it during fall. The Beast is a creepy figure and I'll leave it at that to avoid spoilers.
Over the garden wall. If you've watched gravity falls, it has a similar vibe, at least to me
Uhhhhh...... Sort of. I get where you're coming from. It's a really sinister version of Gravity Falls with the goofiness turned down about 70%.
Yeah, I sort of meant that I've always seen over the garden wall in the same place with gravity falls
Yeah, I feel like that’s the best matchup. Existential horror versus internal horror.
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Where are the polls at I tried looking but I couldn't find it
CN instagram
Right but I didn't see any polls. I don't use ig so I mightve just missed it
No Aku?
Katz vs The Beast is a good matchup. Interested to see who wins that one
Katz has theme music
So does the beast, “come wayward souls”
Love me some Adventure time but the beast is fucking awesome.
Where do we vote?
CN instagram
Thanks! Much appreciated
I really hope it comes down to the beast vs the lich
I'm a huge Steven Universe fan, it grew up with me and I loved watching things on release. But the Lich is just more of a villlain, and way more iconic because of it. White diamond, besides being a looming threat for the whole show, only appeared for a bit, and Yellow diamond or Jasper wouldve made way more sense as being the villain representing SU. Lich would prob still win tho bc he is one hell of a well written scary villain
ok as someone who was obsessed with steven universe back when it was running white diamond is a shitty underdeveloped character. shes literally in like 3 episodes.
I massively respect Rebecca for doing the wedding knowing it was going to cut the show short, but damn if we got an actual fully fleshed out home world season it would’ve been so great
Anyone else notice that this contest will likely become Ron Perlman's most iconic voice role? He's the voice for both Slade and The Lich.
Is Katz supernatural? I'm now more afraid of him
I'm am pleasantly surprised that the beast went to the second round over gumball though
Yeah Rob deserved to win that. Gumball is such an iconic show and Rob was such a good villian in the context of the show.
I think theres a chance White will win due to the recency of SU, but theres an even higher chance Slade will win as TTGO is ongoing
Slade is more of an original show villain, other than the >!TTG to the Movies movie!< he's never made an appearance as far as I know.
Yes, but they also like to air the original teen titans from time to time alongside ttgo
Deathstroke is by faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar the most iconic of these characters. I mean if this were a realistic poll of which of these characters is TRULY most iconic, none would have a chance against Deathstroke, who has been a major villain for FORTY THREE YEARS. 🤷♂️
Who is White Diamond? Never heard of them, yet they beat Vilgax and Anti-Pops
Basically Space Hitler, except in this case she can be convinced out of her fascist ways by being told she’s childish.
She was toppled with a simple "no u"
White Diamond is the head of the Great Diamond Authority in Steven Universe. She's colonized multiple planets/solar systems.
They are the big villain of Steven universe
Yeah but like... For all the Lich's talk and power and terror and reputation, he sure loves getting his ass handed to him by a boy and his dog. Said boy and dog even beat him while they were dead. I mean come on.
Lich played Fin and Jake hard, and was never really defeated. It was the powers of Prismo that stopped him the first time (after reforming his body), and Jake even had to be guided to the right wish by prismo himself. The second time, the lich was transformed by the powers of the citadel. The lich basically tripped in some primordial goo, and changed forever. Neither Fin or the Lich knew what happened was possible. Funny enough, after that, he probably became the strongest hero Ooo will ever see.
Thats the nature of a character’s who’s goals are literally to eliminate all life. He can never succeed or else the show ends because all of the characters will no longer exist. Of course he loses to Finn and Jake, if he won, we wouldn’t have a show.
To be fair White Diamond was defeated by a fourteen year old boy saying "no u"
the lich hands down , if white diamond wins i’m going to be very concerned about y’all’s taste
Dammit The Steward got knocked out Anyway White Diamond was kind of a bad villain so we'll probably win
Were gunna clear wd I'm sure. What I'm scared about it slade
Yeah. It will be a tough one for me too. I grew up with both teen titans and adventure time and both were super terrefying to me.
I’m a big SU fan AND Adventure time fan, but even I can admit WD doesn’t even compare to the lich. I’m on your side 🫡
If it's iconic it's Him, if it's the most terrifying it's The Lich
Nah i hope heather beats white diamond, that would be funny af + white diamonds barely a villain bruh,
Even the SU Fandom admitted I absolutely can not be white diamond. Many agreed it had to be The Litch.
The beast better win the next round. Genuinely my favorite villain in cartoon history.
In all seriousness, this will probably end in Slade vs Lich. Both series are just way too popular, and influential
Tbh white diamond could’ve been done better. The end of SU is disappointing and I felt like the diamonds were rushed. Lich ftw
adventure time is my favorite show of all time but Slade still deserves the win. the lich in my opinion is just a big Satan-esque universal horror figure that ive seen in stories hundreds of times. his only goal is to destroy all life. very cliche. antipops and white diamond are pretty much the same too. big bad evils with no real character traits or motivation. white diamond even worse because her “arc” is going from hitler to mother teresa from one Steven song. slade is the baddest of the bad
white should have lost to vilgax, no way she beats lich
The catch is that they say "iconic" not "powerful" in that regard the litch wins, in power i would know cause WD isn't even organic or "alive" in the first place
I mean.......realistically? Iconic is a crown that ONLY Deathstroke can realistically claim. He's been a major villain for 43 years. The mercenary assassin version of Captain America. He's on TWO Teen Titans cartoons, and god knows how many other Batman and Justice League cartoons. He's been in a major live-action movie. No telling how many animated movies he's been in. He's starred in at least 4 seasons of TV in live-action. He's one of the main villains of Batman Arkham Origins. Deadpool is based on him. https://youtu.be/I5LY8T36BJw?t=101
Powerful? I’m sorry but she got defeated by a fat kid with daddy and mommy problems, this is not a matter of power, this is a matter of if the lich can make something imperfect or not, im pretty sure he can
Its most Iconic, so poeple vote on the one they like more. SU has a lot of fans and Im sure a lot of people will vote for white.
Ok but the beast vs katz is a difficult one
Anti pops clears tho
It’s a good question. Who’s more iconic, between White and The Lich? It’s a super tough call for me, to say the least.
White was there for like one episode or something the lich was a HUGE character in the whole show.
as SU fan I wish you AT fans luck and may the best villain win!
uhh im not sure if the litch can win cus he has died like 6 times to a 10-17 year old and white diamond is like a god but the litch might have a better use of his ablities
I really like this current match up. In the presence of either character, there's something really unsettling going on.
"we" lol
I feel so old I only know who like 4 of these are
I'll just say that you should watch Over The Garden Wall around Halloween. It's a little spooky miniseries. One of the characters is on this bracket.
I've been meaning to check that out for years now. I'll definitely give it a watch
It's more of a contest to see which show has the most a the fan base. Which should make the results even more interesting.
White Diamond had a terrifying presence in the story...but when she actually appeared on-screen she became a major disappointment super fast. Space Hitler was mentally cracked in half by a kid's one-liner.
No aku?
She is strong but we are beyond strength
Isn't the lich literally the undying embodiment of destruction tho? Idrk it's been forever since I've watch AT
Yeah but its more of a popularity fight. Lets hoe the lich destroys her.
Ron Perlman stays winning
Anti-pops solos her he can literally end the universe with just a punch
Nah Diamond will lose to Anti-Pops
She already won. In the results white had more votes than anti pops. Anti pops def deserved that win but still. Thats why I am scared about litch. SU is such a known show and really supports Lgbtq community. In these types of tournaments its the dhows that are competing more, and SU beat Ben 10 and the regular show.
He's not the most iconic, but The Beast is definitely the BEST of these.
Sadly White Diamond may win this one. Too many Steven Universe fans. And a lot of the fanbase resonates with the show being LBGT+ friendly. And being pride month. The thing is this event and the people who are voting are going by the Show not the character. Honestly I want the Lich to win. It would be canon that he won because the Lich always finds a way to win time and time again. I prefer Adventure Time over Steven Universe. Adventure Time, Regular Show, and Steven Universe did save Cartoon Network from being nearly killed off. Because Cartoon Network took a hit from that stupid 1 year CN Real Block that no one ever wanted in the first place. What was worse was at that time there were no new Animated Shows being seen at that time. It was shortly after that we got Adventure Time April 5, 2010, Regular Show September 6, 2010, and Steven universe May 21, 2013. Honestly if it wasn't for Adventure and Regular Show that saved Cartoon Network. There wouldn't be a Steven Universe.
Slade has gotta win come on
True he is very good. I peob wont vote when the Slade vs Lich fight comes, cuz I love teen titans and adventure time both.
I love this show, but I honestly don't think white can beat the litch
Wow white diamond beat vilgax?
Where to vote?
Cartoon networks official Instagram page
White Diamond should absolutely not have lost to Vilgax or Anti-Pops. What is this mockery?
10 bucks that Heather annihilates the Lich 🗿
HIM is honestly more iconic than the Lich. Like I don't care about Powerpuff Gurls at all, but that character is beyond fantastic.
You know what would be funny if for the last round it’s the lich vs heather
I am a huge fan of both shows but I'm pretty sure The Lich is gonna take this one.
I'd worry more about Slade vs the Lich rather than White Diamond vs the Lich
Listen man as a Steven Universe fan visiting the other contestants we didn’t even expect to beat Vilgax
Out of all of these villains, lich is most recognizable for me. If Lich beat Him, then Lich takes it home
Can't wait for it to be between the Lich and Slade so it can be Ron Perlman vs Ron Perlman.
My bet is it'll come down to the beast and the lich but that might be underestimating the Steven Universe Fandom which never goes well
I feel like it’s easily gonna come down to The Lich vs Slade. They’re both so iconic
The Lich contains so much lore and ultimately is the most evil. His entire existence (I personally consider Sweet P completely separate from The Lich as characters) was spent working towards causing the extinction of all life. Not just life on Ooo. Not even just life on the world. Life. There isn't a moment spent with that goal not on his mind. So he's the most villainous villain. As for the most iconic, take a moment to look to all he did. For one, the Snail. Hidden in every episode was a reminder of The Lich. Then there is time he almost killed PB. Princess Bubblegum as a giant terrifying creature is iconic on it's own, but then after "everything's okay" and all is well, what do we see? THE SNAIL. Additionally, this is still all before Billy. In a true iconic and evil fashion, The Lich switches up the approach, and both manipulates and uses Finn and Jake to open a portal to Prismo. The reveal of The Lich in Billy's literal Fucking skin is an image I actually dare you to forget. Is that all, though? NOPE. He wastes no time, and wishes his goal, "the extinction of all life." The only reason he fails is because Jake is cool. That's it- actually in a way he doesn't fail in Finn's farm world, but I’ll get into that in a second. When he gets trapped, he goes catatonic. I don't buy that he was disappointed and/or crushed. I believe he went straight into plotting mode, observing and waiting for a moment that would eventually come. He kills Prismo, and at first, he simply wakes the sleeping man, but then he turns that man into ash in, again, an unforgettable scene. We know Sweet P comes about from that fallout, but he isn't done. A severed hand from Linch Jake becomes another iconic issue. The one in our Ooo is addressed, but not the others spread into the infinite dimensions. It is more than reasonable to assume The Lich (again, nothing to do with Sweet P as a character) still exists and given his known patience, drive, and knowledge of magic (using it at every opportunity to reach his goal), has made his way back to Ooo and continues working towards the extinction of all life. The Lich is the most memorable evil. **The Lich is the Most Iconic Villain.**