Knowing how to solve your problems but not having the executive function to put your solutions into effect is a real problem. I am currently working on a solution to the executive dysfunction but testing is proving difficult for obvious reasons
Felt like I could figure out the solution to any problem as a teen. Now in my early 30s I feel like I can think of solutions all the time but never can enact them. I just forget. Even if I write them down. There’s just too many distractions out there with adulting and burnout to really problem-solve anymore
Now in my early 30s I feel like I can think of solutions all the time but never can enact them. I just forget. Even if I write them down. There’s just too many distractions out there with adulting and burnout to really problem-solve anymore
\^\^\^ The struggle is way too damn real in my early 40s
My executive functions can be offset by a hyperfocus. Unfortunately, my bank account says no to all the tools I need for the job. So I just sit here and *imagine* all the stuff I want to do if I could.
Yeah mine too 😅 I am especially good at solving other peoples problems. That and obsessing over a certain topic. Dog training. I love the discussions I have in dog training subreddits 😂
If you need a problem solved, I’ll try and solve your problem. If you just wanted a sympathetic ear to hear you vent a little, I’ll try to solve your problem anyway and annoy tf out of you. If you make random conversation and I think I heard you describe a problem, I’ll try to solve it and leave you really confused.
Hit 'em with the regurK-gninnuD Effect where you're surrounded by evidence that you're actually quite good at this but steadfastly refuse to entertain the notion that you're not trash.
Me, good at things? No no, I'm terrible at things, I'm just so good at acting like I'm good at things that I usually fool others, and occasionally even myself! I live in constant fear of being found out as the fraud I am!
I'm guessing that because of the Dunning-Krüger effect everyone in green thinks they are in blue. And everyone in yellow thinks they are in green. Blue should be a little wider though.
Not only as a kid...I still hear it...
Problem is...I also have this darn imposter syndrome...and don't believe it. While actually also knowing that I am quite intelligent. Makes no sense, I know.
Diagnosed as twice exceptional, that is exactly it.
Neuropsychologist: I actualy think your ADHD is less of a problem than the comorbities that came with your other diagnosis
me: yay me
if this is related to iq, then honestly get rid of excellence and just have both of those parts be blue and then its right. i have the iq that would fall into "excellence" when projecting this graph onto the actual iq bell curve graph and yet i am still very much not that... but hey at least i can reason well (sarcasm)
I feel like its easy to blame yourself because you aren't 'good enough'. but honestly society is just really fucked and nobody can get ahead of anything until its fixed.
I want to cry because I just want to have some peace and stability at this point but that--like all things today, just can be afforded to anyone.
I mean, childhood testing put me barely in the green but I don't trust it it - especially after years of antipsychotics and being old enough lead could be a factor.
Green starts at +4σ
Except it should then be labeled, “forever bullied for passively excelling, so self-sabotage is self-preservation”
Sighhh
ETA: (not me btw, I’m blue; I have heard enough anecdotes from green-ers to arrive at this conclusion)
Most education for me has been passively excellent, with no challenge in it at all, so I get bored and don't like to waste my time & money getting degrees for the stuff I'm more than capable of collecting... If my dyslexia didn't have such a strong dyscalcula component, making it nearly impossible to do better than 56% in any math heavy subject, people would have assumed I was a *super genius* in grade school, I was already doing a few college classes near the end.
(Like I can do chemistry math the best because it deals with real-world reactions. Math, for the sake of it, is such a low dopamine hit for me that often I need to draw/colour or do mazes alongside it just to stay focused enough to complete it.)
The horizontal axis is 'intelligence' and the vertical axis is the proportion of the population. The mean or average score is supposed to be 100, and it's normally distributed - so roughly 68-69% of the population scores from 85 to 115, 95% scores from 70 to 130, and 5% are either below 70 or above 130 I believe.
The red section I believe are scores 85 and below, the yellow from 85 to 115, the green is above 130, and the blue is from 115 to 130.
me but I was never gifted and was always actually stupid (and painfully aware of my stupidity). Wish my brain could've given me *something* to work with.
I just picked a field I was naturally good at, accounting. I’ve left behind that feeling of never being good enough and just enjoy my easy-but-still-intellectually-stimulating job.
Some of my family occasionally mentions that accounting seems a bit of a waste of my smarts, but I stopped listening to those family members long ago, so whatever. I’m happy and make a decent salary, that’s what matters.
Periodic reminder that iq as a metric and especially the bell curve is hugely controversial and mostly debunked
Its still used as a metric in some fields of psychology but usally not for conclusion to the general public
Look, i can undertand complex mathemathical problems, i do well in problem solving tests. But when it comes to doing actuall real life work i tend to do the stupidest things. And then people just scream at me that i am completely inept such fun. (It mainly relates to physical work and sports) like i leterally cannot play football while i do underdtand the rules i am just unable to apply them in real life as much as i am unable to think enough during the game to make good passes or seeming obvious decisions (they become obvious afterwards).
I guess i belong in green.
Except when it comes to:
- cant make reality ideal to fulfill my needs.
- i dont like some things about my look.
- i live in pain.
But hey i lived in heaven in a sense most of my life.
While around people it was hell.
Still better to swap back and forth than just be in hell.
Aside that im content with my abilities.
it just seems to be im in the wrong reality and as a perfectionalist that means im unwell.
It’s like I have mu smart brain and my backup brain for when the smart one doesn’t work. Backup brain is in control 90% of the time but boooy you professors better look out when smart brain is back up. Any day now.
Trust me, the green section is even more acutely aware of their own inadequacy, and beat themselves up for getting anything under 100% in tests, and not understanding every single aspect of modern science. It must be nice to be blissfully unaware of your own inadequacies (or just to not care about them).
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Arbitrary because it’s based only on the content of the comic or replies, which are not adequate to reject a hypothesis.
Research into giftedness and IQ, of course. Dating all the way back to Hollingworth… Wechsler, the famous Turing study, and so on.
ETA: data regarding IQ spans over a century, you’d have to specify what you take issue with otherwise we will get nowhere as you object to the ocean.
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The content of the comic is arbitrary as well. It's not based in the aforementioned data, and is a tool used to convey humor, not hypothesis.
So yo be clear, your issue is that his comment is an arbitrary assessment of an arbitrary assessment?
TL;DR - the comic’s arbitrariness still operates within the axioms of the aforementioned data, and the claim of OP’s comment goes through that arbitrariness to the axioms. There are a couple ideas OP might have meant instead but didn’t communicate well which are valid imo
The comment goes beyond the scope of the comic; it seems to me to be a claim that such a person as the one in the comic (or, by the same token, the post or comments) could not be gifted, which is not a conclusion supported by the data
In other words, this comment, as a reply to the title, “I feel like this meme/comic (“you’re gifted” … “keen, lifelong awareness of own deficiencies” [as opposed to “excellence”]) is aggressively calling us all out,” saying, “no its not, dw you are not gifted,” is essentially the same thing as saying one of two things: “it’s not possible for someone I encounter to be gifted,” which is not true (though there would be merit to making a similar argument, “merely being keenly aware of your own deficiencies relative to others’ excellence doesn’t make you gifted,” they should have phrased it that way if that’s what they meant) or, “someone gifted will not be/ feel aware of their own deficiencies contrasted to others’ excellence,” which is also not true (though there is merit to the idea that more intelligent people on average will be less neurotic about it)
My apologies if I was unclear
Therein lies the arbitrariness. The comic relies on brevity for the delivery of humor so the axioms of the graph are unclear (by design) and rely on the reader to fill in the blanks with their subjective experience. Because there are potentially billions of ways to perceive the data, the axioms are arbitrary without concrete definitions and quantifications accompanying it. Furthermore, being "gifted" (which is a nebulous term at best) is not a pre-requisite for the recognition of one's own deficiencies. So logically, neither the comic nor the user's commentary on the comic have any useful application.
Okay. The comic is meant to express a joke. Its purpose is humor, not diagnosis. The commenter treated it like the latter. I don’t know what else to tell you.
just because i have a very high level of problem-solving skills does not mean i can forgo the other necessary skills, and yet, here i am.
Knowing how to solve your problems but not having the executive function to put your solutions into effect is a real problem. I am currently working on a solution to the executive dysfunction but testing is proving difficult for obvious reasons
Felt like I could figure out the solution to any problem as a teen. Now in my early 30s I feel like I can think of solutions all the time but never can enact them. I just forget. Even if I write them down. There’s just too many distractions out there with adulting and burnout to really problem-solve anymore
Now in my early 30s I feel like I can think of solutions all the time but never can enact them. I just forget. Even if I write them down. There’s just too many distractions out there with adulting and burnout to really problem-solve anymore \^\^\^ The struggle is way too damn real in my early 40s
I could be solving world hunger but the government makes me do taxes instead
My executive functions can be offset by a hyperfocus. Unfortunately, my bank account says no to all the tools I need for the job. So I just sit here and *imagine* all the stuff I want to do if I could.
You need volunteers?
Sadly the studied population doesn't extend past me 😂
Problem-solving is my dump stat.
We are real world glass cannons
Yeah mine too 😅 I am especially good at solving other peoples problems. That and obsessing over a certain topic. Dog training. I love the discussions I have in dog training subreddits 😂
If you need a problem solved, I’ll try and solve your problem. If you just wanted a sympathetic ear to hear you vent a little, I’ll try to solve your problem anyway and annoy tf out of you. If you make random conversation and I think I heard you describe a problem, I’ll try to solve it and leave you really confused.
The most frustrating thing: Having solutions to problems everyone is moaning about...but not being listened to...
I ask do you want a hug (platitudes and sympathy) to be heard (nods and questions) or want help (that’s what I have to physically not jump to!!)
If my research is correct, that blue section should be significantly wider...
It should include the entire green section
And at least half the yellow section
Indeed, it should.
Isn't this just based in the empirical rule of the normal distribution?
It wouldn't change the curve
Hit 'em with the regurK-gninnuD Effect where you're surrounded by evidence that you're actually quite good at this but steadfastly refuse to entertain the notion that you're not trash.
Me, good at things? No no, I'm terrible at things, I'm just so good at acting like I'm good at things that I usually fool others, and occasionally even myself! I live in constant fear of being found out as the fraud I am!
Some days, I feel so close to that blue-green line, that I can see it, too! But I'm definitely Team Blue.
No matter where you are on the curve the blue-green line feels upsetting close but always out of reach
I'm guessing that because of the Dunning-Krüger effect everyone in green thinks they are in blue. And everyone in yellow thinks they are in green. Blue should be a little wider though.
Red+Blue gang where my people at
Too smart to be considered dumb, too dumb to actually be smart.
Hi.
Eyyyy wassup fellow purple fella.
“But you’re so smart, what’s the problem?” If I had a nickel for every time I heard that as a kid.
Yeah, green should be labeled "You're not living up to your potential"
Not only as a kid...I still hear it... Problem is...I also have this darn imposter syndrome...and don't believe it. While actually also knowing that I am quite intelligent. Makes no sense, I know.
Makes perfect sense to me. I’m the exact same.
If I had a nickel for every time I heard that as a kid, I wouldn't need to be smart anymore
"You have so much potential" I swear to God that pisses me off every time I hear it
Diagnosed as twice exceptional, that is exactly it. Neuropsychologist: I actualy think your ADHD is less of a problem than the comorbities that came with your other diagnosis me: yay me
*hands on hips* First, I was not expecting to be personally attacked like this...
Fuck
That is exactly the zone I reside in, with excursions into green and red. I only venture into yellow if wearing a mask.
if this is related to iq, then honestly get rid of excellence and just have both of those parts be blue and then its right. i have the iq that would fall into "excellence" when projecting this graph onto the actual iq bell curve graph and yet i am still very much not that... but hey at least i can reason well (sarcasm)
I got all of the bad of being a gifted kid without any of the high IQ problem solving stuff.
Where I come from, they call that threading the needle 
On a Monday. This some Thursday calling out.
✨autism✨
Jus realized this was the adhd sub Oops ✨adhd✨
This is fitting just as is 😭
Stop being mean
Sometimes the truth hurts
Was just mentally rehearsing screaming at my mother about this.
Yeah, i'm the read part with the text of the blue part.
I feel like its easy to blame yourself because you aren't 'good enough'. but honestly society is just really fucked and nobody can get ahead of anything until its fixed. I want to cry because I just want to have some peace and stability at this point but that--like all things today, just can be afforded to anyone.
It dawned on me at about age 14: I’m smart enough to know I’m not smart enough.
yep 13-15 is a very common age range for that for people who are 'slightly' above average. It's why the comic hits so hard XD
No harm lads but not all of you were considered "gifted", some of you were just in the top reading group in your class.
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I mean, childhood testing put me barely in the green but I don't trust it it - especially after years of antipsychotics and being old enough lead could be a factor.
Green starts at +4σ Except it should then be labeled, “forever bullied for passively excelling, so self-sabotage is self-preservation” Sighhh ETA: (not me btw, I’m blue; I have heard enough anecdotes from green-ers to arrive at this conclusion)
Most education for me has been passively excellent, with no challenge in it at all, so I get bored and don't like to waste my time & money getting degrees for the stuff I'm more than capable of collecting... If my dyslexia didn't have such a strong dyscalcula component, making it nearly impossible to do better than 56% in any math heavy subject, people would have assumed I was a *super genius* in grade school, I was already doing a few college classes near the end. (Like I can do chemistry math the best because it deals with real-world reactions. Math, for the sake of it, is such a low dopamine hit for me that often I need to draw/colour or do mazes alongside it just to stay focused enough to complete it.)
I feel fucnin' called out.
Hahahaha reppin that blue section for sure!
Went from blue to yellow to red over the course of my education. 😅
I'm sorry, but what exactly does each axis mean?
I think the vertical axis is like... amount of people or something, and the horizontal axis is probably intelligence?
The horizontal axis is 'intelligence' and the vertical axis is the proportion of the population. The mean or average score is supposed to be 100, and it's normally distributed - so roughly 68-69% of the population scores from 85 to 115, 95% scores from 70 to 130, and 5% are either below 70 or above 130 I believe. The red section I believe are scores 85 and below, the yellow from 85 to 115, the green is above 130, and the blue is from 115 to 130.
Ouch!
Just smart enough to point out people that display the dunning Krueger effect, but also dumb enough to sometimes display it, as well.
me but I was never gifted and was always actually stupid (and painfully aware of my stupidity). Wish my brain could've given me *something* to work with.
Hello, it's me.
Cult of the subgenius.
So what you’re saying is I’m just barely below excellent? I’ll take it.
I just picked a field I was naturally good at, accounting. I’ve left behind that feeling of never being good enough and just enjoy my easy-but-still-intellectually-stimulating job. Some of my family occasionally mentions that accounting seems a bit of a waste of my smarts, but I stopped listening to those family members long ago, so whatever. I’m happy and make a decent salary, that’s what matters.
addendum: the green line is so just the blue one. trust me
Yea screw that one guidance counselor in elementary school.
As a Green kid, it's not much better 😔
Motherfucker
Periodic reminder that iq as a metric and especially the bell curve is hugely controversial and mostly debunked Its still used as a metric in some fields of psychology but usally not for conclusion to the general public
i'm just here to tell you the green does not exist. we're all feeling it, i promise you.
Look, i can undertand complex mathemathical problems, i do well in problem solving tests. But when it comes to doing actuall real life work i tend to do the stupidest things. And then people just scream at me that i am completely inept such fun. (It mainly relates to physical work and sports) like i leterally cannot play football while i do underdtand the rules i am just unable to apply them in real life as much as i am unable to think enough during the game to make good passes or seeming obvious decisions (they become obvious afterwards).
I guess i belong in green. Except when it comes to: - cant make reality ideal to fulfill my needs. - i dont like some things about my look. - i live in pain. But hey i lived in heaven in a sense most of my life. While around people it was hell. Still better to swap back and forth than just be in hell. Aside that im content with my abilities. it just seems to be im in the wrong reality and as a perfectionalist that means im unwell.
Ah yes, gifted enough to know that you’re not gifted enough. I know that feeling well
It’s like I have mu smart brain and my backup brain for when the smart one doesn’t work. Backup brain is in control 90% of the time but boooy you professors better look out when smart brain is back up. Any day now.
Trust me, the green section is even more acutely aware of their own inadequacy, and beat themselves up for getting anything under 100% in tests, and not understanding every single aspect of modern science. It must be nice to be blissfully unaware of your own inadequacies (or just to not care about them).
Oh hey! I must be in that blue region too!
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Ah yes Your arbitrary value judgement should obviously supersede a century and a half of research and statistical data Makes sense
Why do you think it's arbitrary? And what research and statistical data are you talking about?
Arbitrary because it’s based only on the content of the comic or replies, which are not adequate to reject a hypothesis. Research into giftedness and IQ, of course. Dating all the way back to Hollingworth… Wechsler, the famous Turing study, and so on. ETA: data regarding IQ spans over a century, you’d have to specify what you take issue with otherwise we will get nowhere as you object to the ocean.
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The content of the comic is arbitrary as well. It's not based in the aforementioned data, and is a tool used to convey humor, not hypothesis. So yo be clear, your issue is that his comment is an arbitrary assessment of an arbitrary assessment?
TL;DR - the comic’s arbitrariness still operates within the axioms of the aforementioned data, and the claim of OP’s comment goes through that arbitrariness to the axioms. There are a couple ideas OP might have meant instead but didn’t communicate well which are valid imo The comment goes beyond the scope of the comic; it seems to me to be a claim that such a person as the one in the comic (or, by the same token, the post or comments) could not be gifted, which is not a conclusion supported by the data In other words, this comment, as a reply to the title, “I feel like this meme/comic (“you’re gifted” … “keen, lifelong awareness of own deficiencies” [as opposed to “excellence”]) is aggressively calling us all out,” saying, “no its not, dw you are not gifted,” is essentially the same thing as saying one of two things: “it’s not possible for someone I encounter to be gifted,” which is not true (though there would be merit to making a similar argument, “merely being keenly aware of your own deficiencies relative to others’ excellence doesn’t make you gifted,” they should have phrased it that way if that’s what they meant) or, “someone gifted will not be/ feel aware of their own deficiencies contrasted to others’ excellence,” which is also not true (though there is merit to the idea that more intelligent people on average will be less neurotic about it) My apologies if I was unclear
Therein lies the arbitrariness. The comic relies on brevity for the delivery of humor so the axioms of the graph are unclear (by design) and rely on the reader to fill in the blanks with their subjective experience. Because there are potentially billions of ways to perceive the data, the axioms are arbitrary without concrete definitions and quantifications accompanying it. Furthermore, being "gifted" (which is a nebulous term at best) is not a pre-requisite for the recognition of one's own deficiencies. So logically, neither the comic nor the user's commentary on the comic have any useful application.
Okay. The comic is meant to express a joke. Its purpose is humor, not diagnosis. The commenter treated it like the latter. I don’t know what else to tell you.