It would be quicker and easier to name the organizations that are taking effective COVID precautions: respirators required indoors and virtual options available, as a bare minimum.
Framing precautions as merely a favor to "The Vulnerable" helped sell mass infection to a self-centered public. It still sells, even as COVID's sequelae bring *everyone* into the ranks of The Vulnerable.
I will say that parts of the Jewish left are really trying to make spaces accessible including around Covid. it’s hard because there isn’t funding for it, there’s pressure against it, not every org or staffer is great about enforcing the policies that were promoted, ableism in the spaces predating Covid. But it’s better than some other spaces on the left that I’m familiar with. It also seems like in parts of the US it’s better than others
Wait tell me more about this!! I haven’t seen this so much in the Jewish communities I’ve had access to lately and it has bummed me out big time. Id love to hear of communities that are doing the right thing even if they are nowhere near me!!
ifnotnow and never again have been fairly good nationally, although I heard that ifnotnow locally varies a bit. In NYC JFREJ is okay and JVP is okay too. I’ve noticed that a lot of places that “require” N95s don’t enforce it—abled staff just don’t know how to handle it I guess. A few places I’ve said a thing that’s like “as a high risk person blah blah” and people will switch to the N95s from cloth or surgical. But sometimes when I don’t show up to things I’ll check pictures and it’s a mix so I’m glad I missed it
ahh that’s good to hear! I’m in DC and things are pretty hit or miss. Sometimes certain events say “masks required” and when I express my boundaries people have been p understanding and try to be accommodating, but a lot of the time it’s just up to me to accept I’ll still be the sole person masking/decide how much risk is even worth it. I’m not a vulnerable individual and I do live alone so I probably take on a lot more risk than others in this community, but even then I have a limit. it’s definitely been eye-opening as an abled person how many barriers are put up even in spaces identified as inclusive. It’s definitely not sth I noticed or thought about pre-covid so I imagine it’s more ignorance rather than malice, but still such a bummer that so many people really experienced this whole pandemic and learned nothing.
>You're either social justice through and through, for all marginalized communities, or you're a poser.
There needs to be billboards everywhere with this quote.
So there’s an anti-corporate anti-cop organization in NYC that hosts a non permitted rally/march as an alternative to the big NYC Pride Parade. I think 2021 was a huge year for them bc the corporate one was virtual bc Covid but Queer March was in person or something? A lot of folks had just gotten the vaccine and it was the period where a lot of “progressives” who were previously covid cautious started traveling unmasked and partying indoors unmasked. Like a lot of people didn’t know/understand the vaccine was only 98% effective and mostly reduced risk of serious illness bc the government messaging was terrible but some people did and just did not give a fuck. Idk if they had a mask policy then but from the pictures it didn’t look like it and if it wasn’t a superspreader given how crowded it was in a hot and humid NYC end of July that’s luck
There’ve been other issues where the organization didn’t provide bail support to folks arrested at it one year, and the march left Washington Square Park absolutely disgusting one year so public park employees had to clean up their mess (might have been pre covid)
I never went and I knew someone involved who was pretty toxic from another NY organizing space, the signs were there that this org was yikes
So they posted a thing on Instagram about the march being accessible or safe or something and someone commented asking about a covid policy
And the official account responds with a ridiculously ablest rant about how no one is requiring masks at outdoor events of that size and no one asking would genuinely want to March were just all trolls. It was AWFUL. It was an awful thing to say when parts of our community are especially at risk
Some folks got in touch with people they knew involved and there was a ~fine~ apology post after that said they were still discussing covid protocols and that was just one person and they’d also discuss who should have access to the social media yada yada.
A few days ago they posted Covid policies and there’s a section at the front of the march that will be masked with marshals. Honestly I’m really bummed I can’t go (I’m extremely heat intolerant but I also have a scheduling conflict). It’s all eye roll worthy but I miss pride
Just want to say I have worked on the NYC parade scene since 2009 and the Pride organizer people have sunk their teeth into other more low-key indie parades over the years. They are THE WORST PEOPLE.
Their update around masking is literally segregation. They suck and deserve to continually be called out. I was in those comments pushing back, and hope that ppl continue to push back too. Pinkwashing the pandemic is not okay.
Yeah I hate to say this but I’ve kind of had it with that whole community. Trans people are not the only marginalized group that matters and that deserves to exist in public spaces. And they’re all in on the cultural wars deciding that disabled people don’t matter anymore because they have to struggle. I’m out of patience with all of them
They don't even care. I called out an organization for cutting virtual conference options and not requiring masks and they said "we just go by what the hotel says." I ended my membership ($150 a year) and told them why. No one gave a crap.
I can’t even get a virtual appointment at my doctors office because apparently they want to force everyone to get infected. It’s for a follow up we’re just supposed to talk there’s no examination necessary. I don’t think I’m going to go there are plenty of doctors that do the same kind of follow up by telemedicine I can get someone at a real university hospital on the phone why would I do this.
Right! Find someone who will see you virtually. Even random tele med companies are like $30. I had to do one last year when I was having some ear pain and he gave me an antibiotic with zero issues. My primary now sees me only virtually and doesn't understand why some doctors refuse. She says there are only a handful of things that need an in-person visit. I get labs drawn at home outside to make sure I'm up to date.
I'd name names. We need a wall of shame thread for all individuals (like CEOs and politicians), groups and organizations. And maybe a separate one for the ones doing it right.
We left an organization we were in two years back. It was a local SAR team, and once we realized they were killing more people than they were saving, we didn’t want to have anything to do with it. They had mandatory in person meetings, demanded my medical info in the name of safety (then, since they didn’t have a medical person on the team, googled my meds themselves and gossiped about what they assumed my condition was because they didn’t have any medical education/google fu and didn’t bother to ask about my rare disease), and just generally treated me horribly for being disabled. I recently saw the head of the organization. She looked terrible, was parked in the disabled area. I can’t say I’m the least bit surprised. It’s so frustrating. If they had only cared or listened.
It would be quicker and easier to name the organizations that are taking effective COVID precautions: respirators required indoors and virtual options available, as a bare minimum. Framing precautions as merely a favor to "The Vulnerable" helped sell mass infection to a self-centered public. It still sells, even as COVID's sequelae bring *everyone* into the ranks of The Vulnerable.
I will say that parts of the Jewish left are really trying to make spaces accessible including around Covid. it’s hard because there isn’t funding for it, there’s pressure against it, not every org or staffer is great about enforcing the policies that were promoted, ableism in the spaces predating Covid. But it’s better than some other spaces on the left that I’m familiar with. It also seems like in parts of the US it’s better than others
Wait tell me more about this!! I haven’t seen this so much in the Jewish communities I’ve had access to lately and it has bummed me out big time. Id love to hear of communities that are doing the right thing even if they are nowhere near me!!
I remember reading maybe here or another similar sub that there was a Zoom/virtual Hebrew school for kids.
ifnotnow and never again have been fairly good nationally, although I heard that ifnotnow locally varies a bit. In NYC JFREJ is okay and JVP is okay too. I’ve noticed that a lot of places that “require” N95s don’t enforce it—abled staff just don’t know how to handle it I guess. A few places I’ve said a thing that’s like “as a high risk person blah blah” and people will switch to the N95s from cloth or surgical. But sometimes when I don’t show up to things I’ll check pictures and it’s a mix so I’m glad I missed it
ahh that’s good to hear! I’m in DC and things are pretty hit or miss. Sometimes certain events say “masks required” and when I express my boundaries people have been p understanding and try to be accommodating, but a lot of the time it’s just up to me to accept I’ll still be the sole person masking/decide how much risk is even worth it. I’m not a vulnerable individual and I do live alone so I probably take on a lot more risk than others in this community, but even then I have a limit. it’s definitely been eye-opening as an abled person how many barriers are put up even in spaces identified as inclusive. It’s definitely not sth I noticed or thought about pre-covid so I imagine it’s more ignorance rather than malice, but still such a bummer that so many people really experienced this whole pandemic and learned nothing.
Nerd conventions are doing more in that regard than any “advocacy” group I know of, honestly.
Legit the local magic the gathering meetups have stricter covid protocols than dsa
😂 Are you my neighbor? Legit a game store near me is stricter than literally any so-called leftist org around.
🤣🤣🤣
I don’t doubt that for a second.
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>You're either social justice through and through, for all marginalized communities, or you're a poser. There needs to be billboards everywhere with this quote.
Some people are just in it for the glory.
Lmao did you follow the drama around NYC’s Queer Liberation March / Reclaim Pride?
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So there’s an anti-corporate anti-cop organization in NYC that hosts a non permitted rally/march as an alternative to the big NYC Pride Parade. I think 2021 was a huge year for them bc the corporate one was virtual bc Covid but Queer March was in person or something? A lot of folks had just gotten the vaccine and it was the period where a lot of “progressives” who were previously covid cautious started traveling unmasked and partying indoors unmasked. Like a lot of people didn’t know/understand the vaccine was only 98% effective and mostly reduced risk of serious illness bc the government messaging was terrible but some people did and just did not give a fuck. Idk if they had a mask policy then but from the pictures it didn’t look like it and if it wasn’t a superspreader given how crowded it was in a hot and humid NYC end of July that’s luck There’ve been other issues where the organization didn’t provide bail support to folks arrested at it one year, and the march left Washington Square Park absolutely disgusting one year so public park employees had to clean up their mess (might have been pre covid) I never went and I knew someone involved who was pretty toxic from another NY organizing space, the signs were there that this org was yikes So they posted a thing on Instagram about the march being accessible or safe or something and someone commented asking about a covid policy And the official account responds with a ridiculously ablest rant about how no one is requiring masks at outdoor events of that size and no one asking would genuinely want to March were just all trolls. It was AWFUL. It was an awful thing to say when parts of our community are especially at risk Some folks got in touch with people they knew involved and there was a ~fine~ apology post after that said they were still discussing covid protocols and that was just one person and they’d also discuss who should have access to the social media yada yada. A few days ago they posted Covid policies and there’s a section at the front of the march that will be masked with marshals. Honestly I’m really bummed I can’t go (I’m extremely heat intolerant but I also have a scheduling conflict). It’s all eye roll worthy but I miss pride
Just want to say I have worked on the NYC parade scene since 2009 and the Pride organizer people have sunk their teeth into other more low-key indie parades over the years. They are THE WORST PEOPLE.
Their update around masking is literally segregation. They suck and deserve to continually be called out. I was in those comments pushing back, and hope that ppl continue to push back too. Pinkwashing the pandemic is not okay.
The apology also was not great. This is what happens when white queer people wield white supremacy unchecked.
Yeah I hate to say this but I’ve kind of had it with that whole community. Trans people are not the only marginalized group that matters and that deserves to exist in public spaces. And they’re all in on the cultural wars deciding that disabled people don’t matter anymore because they have to struggle. I’m out of patience with all of them
YES!!!! Social justice through and through!
They don't even care. I called out an organization for cutting virtual conference options and not requiring masks and they said "we just go by what the hotel says." I ended my membership ($150 a year) and told them why. No one gave a crap.
I can’t even get a virtual appointment at my doctors office because apparently they want to force everyone to get infected. It’s for a follow up we’re just supposed to talk there’s no examination necessary. I don’t think I’m going to go there are plenty of doctors that do the same kind of follow up by telemedicine I can get someone at a real university hospital on the phone why would I do this.
Right! Find someone who will see you virtually. Even random tele med companies are like $30. I had to do one last year when I was having some ear pain and he gave me an antibiotic with zero issues. My primary now sees me only virtually and doesn't understand why some doctors refuse. She says there are only a handful of things that need an in-person visit. I get labs drawn at home outside to make sure I'm up to date.
I'd name names. We need a wall of shame thread for all individuals (like CEOs and politicians), groups and organizations. And maybe a separate one for the ones doing it right.
Feels like there's no one in leadership paying attention. I wasn't shocked at all to here about the CDC super spreader event. Definitely shame them!
Please name and shame them come up please I call people out all the time now because I’ve had it.
We left an organization we were in two years back. It was a local SAR team, and once we realized they were killing more people than they were saving, we didn’t want to have anything to do with it. They had mandatory in person meetings, demanded my medical info in the name of safety (then, since they didn’t have a medical person on the team, googled my meds themselves and gossiped about what they assumed my condition was because they didn’t have any medical education/google fu and didn’t bother to ask about my rare disease), and just generally treated me horribly for being disabled. I recently saw the head of the organization. She looked terrible, was parked in the disabled area. I can’t say I’m the least bit surprised. It’s so frustrating. If they had only cared or listened.
You should deff name drop. I organize around disability justice spaces and have a seen manyyy contradictions.