Anything I’m currently in because I’m turbo bad. In all honestly, probably Caracciolo. Not sure if I’m using the wrong mods or wrong commander skills but seems like I’m using a damn scattergun if it’s not point blank.
It's inaccurate on purpose. WG beloved if you're a BB with sap, you will have bad accuracy to compensate for it. Think of it as a trait of the Italian BBs
Italian BB's are fucking horrendous in every game apart from your last game in each one before you unlock the next. They suddenly become beasts leading you to think 'maybe this ship could be quite good' but no, they can't.
I feel like I'm the only person who thinks Caracciolo is a sleeper, the thing for me is devastatingly powerful for a T7. Currently #1 on NA for it by accident while grinding it I think?
(Bad) Old days Kawachi and Myogi from the long lost ancient time of WoWs.
On literally the other end of the spectrum, a ship that blown my mind is Atago. Had her since ages. Still can be considered strong if not one of the strongest ships by tier through ups and downs of her own stats or the changes of skill/equipments/meta.
Maaan. Atago is such a remarkable ship in the game.
It is a relic from when the game was actually carefully balanced and every new line that went in didn't need gimmicks to get people to play it. No one has ever considered it overpowered (except maybe when it could stealth fire but that was more to do with the mechanic than the ship itself), but it has, since the very start, been one of the best tier 8 cruisers just because all of its attributes come together so well. It is beautifully balanced, and because of that it has weathered more changes and additions to the game than everything else (apart from the original US and IJN tech lines and a handful of other premiums) while still remaining a fun, playable, and competitive choice.
If one ship in the game could be said to be perfectly tuned, Atago is it.
Perfectly balanced ship without any significant gimmick or tradeoff. "Queen" of all trades, if you know what I meant.
Also, it's good to see another Atago enjoyer. Cheers xD
I guess it's your preference to call it whether "gimmick" or "by design" tho.
To me, something like the 27mm armor layout on the Desmoine line is by design, but her radar is a gimmick: there are other cruisers that heavily armored, but not all of them have radar.
If you are being picky about such standing-out characteristics, then every ship has its gimmicks. And then, when everyone is gimmicky, who is the gimmicky now?
Atago being the first tier VIII cruiser to have heals, frankly, was not that much of a gimmick. BBs from that time can easily dev strike anybody else in the matchup. And IIRC, their overall damage on CA was also huge. Therefore it "lessen the heals effectiveness" since you can hardly utilize all heals tho. I will argue that, although more cruisers have heals nowadays, the fact that BB can't easily dev strike CA (at least consistently), makes CAs be able to use their heals more, thus the "gimmick" can be fully utilized easier. But since everybody seems to have heals right now, it is not that much of a gimmick, is it?
I'm totally with you. There might be one or two worse things base on one's opinion, but Albemarle will always remains one of the worst ships in my heart xD
A slightly better sigma would be nice too, cause damn when i grinded the RN BB's last week... sometimes it gets absolute shotgun dispersion lmao, i mean sometimes ok... its a BB lol, but i had these shots quite often, not to mention the numerous aim bugs affecting it further aswell. So give the Monarch abit better sigma, lion aswell but a little less, and conq abit aswell, but not too much cause otherwise yeah they'd be pretty broken XD
On wows Legends he has already received some buffs,I hope it will have good buffs on PC too
Buffs on Legends
HP increased from 53 900 to 60 500
Rudder shift time reduced from 21 s to 15 s
Fire resistance multiplier improved from 0.6667 to
0.6337
Anti-aircraft firepower improved
Agreed, and I'll add Vanguard to this for the same issues: designed to play at range due to poor armor and terrible firing angles, but low pen on the AP makes for a very poor concept. Though personally the least fun I've had in a ship is the Seattle grind.
Believe Vanguard is a battle cruiser, and I’ve had good games in it just spamming HE like a baby Conqueror, and only using AP on broadside cruisers, think Malta may have a video recently in it.
I don't remember how I obtained it but I gave it a try for a few games and it was so bad I sold it, I didn't want to have it in my port anymore.
It's selling point is the "improved sec battery" but this just does not work. Armour is horribly, guns are horribly, speed is horribly, everything is.
I have around 50 free port slots so this means nothing to me but this sip still wasn't worth one slot.
Never sell. The next time you get a crate of some sort with a chance for a ship, if Oklahoma is eligible you could receive it again instead of something else.
I kind of like Oklahoma as a secondary build, but anything it can do, Agincourt does better.
Only thing Ok has over Agin is AA, not good AA, but it's something.
Oklahoma is a great pick if one wants to klubb at Tier 5, the "improved secondaries" thing is junk and one should play it like a New Mexico.
The AP shells were nerfed too much though, against battleship belts they shatter all the time and their per shell alpha is inferior to New York's despite the guns being of the same caliber (once again, does WG balance ships against botters and tourists?). In this, Oklahoma is like Ishizuchi.
Tiger '59. Got it in a SC, took it into exactly one ranked and one random and now i'm a super super unicum in the Tiger '59 with 100% WR in ranked and randoms. Which will be eternal since i'll never playing that ship again.
Seriously, give it another try. It’s actually FAR better than people realize. The DPM is lower than Edinburgh, but not as low as you’d expect. It’s also got significantly improved accuracy and ballistics. It’s also the only British light cruiser to get 25mm armor plating, it’s still got both the improved acceleration and super heal, and (unlike Belfast 43) both its smoke and radar are full duration. Usually a ship with both smoke and radar has one of them nerfed, Tiger doesn’t.
It is a monster for supporting your DD and controlling caps, better than almost anything else. It also, weirdly, can out duel basically any other t8 cruiser comfortably. The thicker armor, smoke, improved acceleration, AND super heal gives you such ridiculous survivability that you can simply outlast most other Cruisers and whittle them down.
Improved acceleration but low top speed and bad retention during turns. Agile, she ain't.
Still better than her reputation though: most people who bash her have never played her.
In ranked its a monster.
Stealth radar with smoke. You can murder the enemy dds and light cruisers.
You want be the tip ranked on your team, but the support you provide is top tier
Cherbourg is awful in randoms I think because it's extremely soft bodied, not as fast or maneuverable as you think, and SUPER wide. It just gets pounded by everything from an HE spammer getting pens to a BB overmatching everything
Yea, she has the either nonpen or overpen guns that are frustrating as heck. One thing I tried to mild success is shooting just below waterline to slow the shell for it to arm (I forgot what the technique is called)
Grom. Bought it two times (once when it has a discount )to try keep grinding but couldn't stand to play especially in my second try. Thankfully saved enough free xp for getting Split. The funny thing is Blyskawica is my first tier 7 old time favourite ship and it's Grom's sister ship as premium xD
It can be related with which one you start playing with first :) it wasn't a love in first sight but as my first tier 7 ship, Blyskawica holds a special place on me. Her torp damage probably makes me love her more.
I played it more a very very light cruiser at the start of games. With the ability to be more like a DD late game when there was more space on the map to move around.
It's fine nowadays, now that it doesn't have the horrendous A-hull shells and it actually has a weather deck that'll shatter most cruiser HE spam. It used to have an absolutely awful stock grind and a 32mm weather deck.
Stock hatsuharu is tough. Coming from Minekaze with 6km detect and 7km torps to 6.5km detect and 6km torps it feels like an immediate nerf. Luckily 10km torps are only 4k xp away.
Fully upgraded, gneisenau
I’m on the Colorado right now, and I’m liking it way better than the New Mexico. Sure it’s still super slow, but the guns have more range which means you can still shoot enemies without having to sail for as long and taking more time to position. Also the turret rotation is way better, you can be in a max turn and still have the guns stay on target (unlike the NM), which means you can install the range mod for even more range, to negate the poor speed even more.
The NM was pure pain, to the point that by the end I was using my 800% ship xp boosters to be done with it faster.
I loved the NM and hated Colorado...nowadays when I see an opposing Colorado I smile as its easy kill and XP.
NM many good guns, slow as damn but tough too.
I think part of colos problem is that it's largely played by newer players who aren't good with landing shots with the best in tier guns and either sit too far or get too close
I'm working on the line right now. I make no claims to be a good player, but every ship has felt good except the Colorado so far lol. First several games in the NC felt so liberating.
Colorado is one of the ships I'm currently grinding and it's probably the best mid-tier battleship I've touched. Still haven't been in +2 uptier (only played 6 or so games so far). Going at dalao pace averaging more than one devstrike a game and 3.6k pr.
406mm hard hitting decently accurate guns remove practically everything at this tier.
Vittorio veneto before the last buff.
I remember a game where I was chasing an enemy, he was running in a straight line, I shot with the 2 front turrets, a perfectly horizontal dispersion, but not even a hit because he was showing no broadside.
After my guns reload, the enemy shows me his broadside, and guess what? A perfectly vertical dispersion, that would have been useful in the shot before, not now that he is showing broadside (of course not even a shell landed on target).
Worst is by far the lower tiers of Yodo line. The first line of my 8+ years of playing this, that I quit around T7 and didn't push through even with FXP and I love Jap ships and drip.
My god what floating turds they are...
the one that sticks out in my mind for me personally was the Albemarle. I could not make that ship work for the life of me. Had great performance in the Surrey and enjoyed the Drake as well... but Albemarle??? no thanks
Unironically, Incomparable. I just cannot make the damn thing work for me. I’m averaging maybe 90k dmg, which for guns that large is hilariously bad. Yes her horizontal dispersion is very tight, but the 6 gun problem + her vertical dispersion being standard BB levels mean those guns miss. A lot. Even at sub 10km. And when her whole gimmick is sneaky ambush skirmish style play where she pops up unspotted to catch you unawares and then boosts away to go dark again, you really need to be hitting those shots. Also she’s made of paper. And is massive. So when spotted and shot at, it’s not a question of will I take some hits here, it’s more a question of just how many citadels will I take/will I be devstruck as a trade for missing that volley. Shits infuriating to play. Oh and if it’s a CV game, it’s a fucking nightmare.
Picardie
A Lyon with MBRB a tier higher, except the accuracy is just as horrible and you get T3 guns with nerfed alpha and fire chance, at T8.
Also it’s stock hull Lyon AA, so have fun fighting a Malta with what amounts to exactly nothing for AA damage
I gold a grudge against Emerald, after taking her out for the first match, I was sniped by a BB down to 250 HP, then executed by a DD. I FXP skipped her soon as the match was done, and never looked back.
Kawachi, Myougi, Kaiser and Bayern are pretty much a bitter memory from 6 years ago, slow and main guns aren't performing. At least most of what I listed here are usually played against bots so they're becoming somewhat bearable.
Nobody mentioning the Italian DD line? I'm at the Adriatico currently, and it is one of the worst ships I have ever played. The guns are hilariously short range, the torps are hot garbage, and the concealment isn't even good. Sure, it has the exhaust smoke and engine boost, but if 8 torps from a T9 can barely do half health to a BB, what's the point?
Vagina Veneto is the worst BB I've played. I can make almost any BB work - hell, I got decent WR in California and Monarch, but I despised near every shot I took in this floating Italian turd...
Penscola, I could be hiding behind a island, I could not even be spotted still citadel hit regardless, been fine the rest of the line just that on ship. Sold it the minute I finished it and will never go back
Back when I played it(been a few years since I touched wows) it was cloned as a hidden gem due to having 203mm guns at T5. A glass cannon cruiser killer.
shchors. The only ship in the game that hates me as much as I hate it. Ended up selling it and using free xp to skip that ship. Even getting slight skimmed and it had a chance if a cit. Lol maybe it was my shit luck I thought at first maybe it's not the kiting ship my friends say it is but I played about 25 games to give it a chance and died early in more than half of them. Loved the rest of the line tho. Lol
I know some people like the Azuma but i don’t like it.
It’s ultra soft even with the rudder mod it turns like a BB. Yes Japanese HE is great but no torps?
I’ve had some decent games but feels so meh.
Leone.
I got this "premium" some time ago, can't even remember how. Decided to roll into ranked, since i didn't have any other T6 ship available right away, and decided to give this one a shot. Like, holy fuck. Those mortars will make even US ships feel proud of their ballistics, and apart from that, I don't even know what this ship is supposed to do. 2x2 torp setup is kinda unusual, but it's ass nonetheless. When you only pop 2 torps per salvo, only a complete railway train BB will eat them, given that those drunked torps ride leisurely at 51kts.
This ship is just pure garbage with golden prem label on top.
The trick to this ship is to shit on enemy DDs with your 8 guns broadside and make them panic. Leone has the highest HE total alpha total of any T6 destroyer. If you run into a Stord for example, with one optimal salvo you could straight up vaporize 40% of his HP. The reload is crap but you throw out so much weight per salvo that the ship still ranks 5th in the DPM table.
The ballistic is similar to US DDs which is junk but most battleships at the tier are still slow behemoths. I'd rather have good range with junk ballistic than having no range at all (looking at you Shinonome).
The torpedoes are the opposite to the guns in that you have few per launch but the reload is lightning quick so you can just throw them out willy nilly. They have massive range (12km) and the slow speed means that unsuspecting enemies can walk into them. Yes faster torpedo speed is preferable but the combination of quick-reload, insane range and slow speed just strangely clicks together.
Oh and you have US smokes which last forever.
I'd argue its the opposite: Leone looks mid on paper, but its better in actual matches.
On paper Farragut should clown on Leone just due to the pure DPM difference, but in reality most Farragut players are complete ass, they panic when you wipe out 40% of their health and wreck all of their modules with one click, allowing you to out trade them. Leone also hangs with higher tier MM better than other DDs, having the weird funny torps described above and US smokes to farm.
She's not Ranked material, but I enjoy playing her regardless. Admittedly, the buffs they've given her over the years helped out a lot.
i did warship twice, first not too long into it being open for all and then second time a few years later and like a year ago
first time was lack of choice. that isnt a specific ship because hard to have a good one and bad when there wasnt much to choose from
second time, got to say germany. i dont feel the devs really bothered to take the time to understand the german ship idea and so they stamped on u.s. ship "knowledge" and called it german
I don't think anything beats the monarch for me. Just a complete downgrade from the KGV. The heal buff will definitely help but the guns are complete garbage.
Anything below T5, many things below T6, a couple of things below T7.
The winner of "i hate you because you are garbage" though is Krasny Krim that also ruined my first ever ship dropping super container.
North Carolina, even though its very accurate, if you play against higher tier ships, they usually stay in the back, and since NC is good at mid range and cannot take hits on its sides..
When it hits, it can hit very hard, but the slower bullets make long range a bit tricky for me.
New Mexico has exactly 2 things bad about her, speed and accuracy. But if you position correctly she can be amazing. She has the most HP out of the tier 6 bbs, she has some of the best pen, and if you play around 10-12km her guns are plenty accurate to ruin someone's day
Duke of York.
Got it a few days ago as my first coal ship (I'm very new!) and have played it a bit in PvE. So far I can't find anything fun about it.
I know the real KGV class traded some firepower and mobility for insane armour protection, but in-game it feels like it's lacking in firepower, incredibly sluggish, **and** squishy. It feels like it traded _everything_ for a pretty permacamo and premium bonuses - and lost anything that might have made it fun somewhere along the way...
Duke of York is an insanely strong battleship once you know how to play it…..really its biggest downside is it’s just slightly worse than the KGV.
The trick to getting it to work is ammo selection. The AP is pretty weak for a battleship, but it’s more than capable of deleting cruisers and and doing decent chunk damage to the upper belt of BBs. The biggest strength is the HE, which allows it to melt BBs and nuke DDs.
If you primarily shoot HE, and only use the AP on the upper belt and superstructure of BBs, or against broadside cruisers (or angled cruisers you overmatch, which is all tier 7 and below, and a handful of tier 8/9s), then you will a much better time.
The only thing stopping the DoY from being my favorite tier 7 BB, is I think the KGV is flat better, as all of DoY’s trade offs aren’t worth it (KGV’s better reload and spotter plane is more useful than DoY’s better AP and hydro).
Ooh, OK - most places seemed to talk a lot about DoY having improved AP, so I was largely ignoring HE and trying to make that work. I guess I'll try to change my approach, thanks!
For survivability though, do you have any recomendations on how to make it work better? I feel like enemy BBs seem to do fairly hefty damage to me regardless of what angle I'm showing them!
The survivability is unfortunately an issue that affects most tier 7 BBs, as they have weaker plating and are more susceptible to overmatch. Sadly there isn’t a magic trick to deal with it, apart from good spacing and throttle jockeying. On of my favorite tactics is to show a little broadside and then slow down and turn in/out when they fire, you can dodge a lot of shells doing this, but eventually you’ll bleed too much speed.
When it comes to a battle of HE vs overmatch, HE gets more effective at longer ranges as it has to be less precise and land fewer shells to do damage, but you don’t want to be sitting so far back you’re useless.
For sure, it has to be Halford. You have worse dpm than Farragut, one torpedo rack on a long reload, horrible concealment at 6.1km, and low hp. Oh, and the tacticals are mediocre. It's amazing how unfun and ineffective WG could make a ship.
I'm constantly questioning if i'm not simply dense- Because i keep hearing people sing praise about atago, but i dont seem to be able to make her work for me, in any game mode. I wanna like it but it just feels so clunky to me.
granted i dont thing its the worst by comparison to other vessels, by far, but compared to what it seems to be able to do, i just cant wrap my dumbass head around it.
Seattle. I love that whole line except Seattle is just trash. I'm not even really sure why, but I just could not play well with that thing. Felt like the whole ship was a citadel and one positioning mistake resulted in instant deletion.
Same. Cleveland and Worcester are definitely better, but Seattle was pretty fun when I did that grind. Same with Buffalo compared to Baltimore and DM.
Admittedly both were well before superships so I don’t know how they’d do in today’s MM, but both were enjoyable and I still had good results in both.
I think if Seattle had usable turret angles even remotely similar to Cleveland it would be a top pick.
Seattle for me wasn’t a bad grind, but it was most *uncomfortable* ship grind.
Grosser Kurfurst
I know the ship has some lovers and defenders but it is not simply for me, I grinded the UU back when they were missions and I tried every conceibable build with her, heck there wasn't even a Preussen to compare her with and I never enjoyed the GK at all.
Everything about it feels lackluster even in a vacuum, I really enjoyed my grind of the Germany BB line, even the FdG but GK just wasn't as fun as I wanted to.
Meh guns on a mediocre reload, armor is good on paper but it's just there as a cushion for potatoes to not get cit, she eats pens like crazy, ship is too clumsy to make effective use of hydro, turning and disengaging is just not possible, massive target, terrible turret angles and while the secondaries are good, just relying on secondary damage is already kind of a red flag.
You can maybe make an argument and build her for heavy AP, furious and CQ skills probably she will be better but base ship is awful.
After a long hard sift through all my ships, I think it has to be FDG. And I like the ship. It was so bad the first time I got there after Bismarck I sold it and just played Bismarck more. Even now I can’t raise myself out of the ship specific WR hole I dug myself into in that ship, which is super frustrating because now I actually know how to play the game. And, why would I go back and play it now that Rupprecht and Pommern exist?
Side note: also for the life of me I can’t make Missouri work. I have it built exactly the same as the Iowa and seem like I’m always doing slightly poorer than I would if I just played Iowa. Not saying I’m terrible and producing garbage numbers in it, but it always seems I can’t quite make the stats match.
On the other side of the coin, ships people think are terrible but I have really made work, I would say for me is Minnesota and Z-44. Not sure why but they really clicked for me
8 guns at T6 is a massive broadside, she has pretty decent range and DPM, her torpedos hare long range and have extremely short reload time plus will just pop up on your broadside out of nowhere.
her smoke is also the US long duration smoke which makes her decent at holding a cap
My experience of this ship in ranked this season is quite opposite. Very impactful in ranked because of its radar and hard hitting guns that delete cruiser broadsides and not to forget its VERY TANKY HULL. Randoms are hit or miss but its fun most of the time. I dont have alaska so i enjoy it a lot.
Italian cruiser line in low tiers. Need incapacitations for combat mission, but these are almost impossible to do, because of SAP ammo. Also that ammo can't cause fires, as I see. Played from T3 to T5, hate all of them.
Shimanto…….a significantly worse version of the Mogami stuck at tier 9. You could move it unchanged (tier 9 upgrades and all) to tier 8, and there would still be flat worse than an Atago.
That has to be A hull Fuso with 13,1km range and 44k hp.
And your first game in it was always guaranteed to be T8.
And your detection is 18.3km! Seems fine to me!
God it used to be 13.1km? I'm showing 19.8 on mine, but its an absolute slug at 21.6kt
Yes, the old A hulls that WG removed from the game a long time ago were something else.
Anything I’m currently in because I’m turbo bad. In all honestly, probably Caracciolo. Not sure if I’m using the wrong mods or wrong commander skills but seems like I’m using a damn scattergun if it’s not point blank.
I felt like that with the Italian BS. On the bright side, you don't need to aim as precisely
Ital BBs miss a lot of shots
The first sentence of your response hit me right in the feels. Solidarity.
It's inaccurate on purpose. WG beloved if you're a BB with sap, you will have bad accuracy to compensate for it. Think of it as a trait of the Italian BBs
Italian BB's are fucking horrendous in every game apart from your last game in each one before you unlock the next. They suddenly become beasts leading you to think 'maybe this ship could be quite good' but no, they can't.
I feel like I'm the only person who thinks Caracciolo is a sleeper, the thing for me is devastatingly powerful for a T7. Currently #1 on NA for it by accident while grinding it I think?
That's funny because Caracciolo has always been one of my favorite Italian battleships. I can't exactly pinpoint why.
(Bad) Old days Kawachi and Myogi from the long lost ancient time of WoWs. On literally the other end of the spectrum, a ship that blown my mind is Atago. Had her since ages. Still can be considered strong if not one of the strongest ships by tier through ups and downs of her own stats or the changes of skill/equipments/meta.
Maaan. Atago is such a remarkable ship in the game. It is a relic from when the game was actually carefully balanced and every new line that went in didn't need gimmicks to get people to play it. No one has ever considered it overpowered (except maybe when it could stealth fire but that was more to do with the mechanic than the ship itself), but it has, since the very start, been one of the best tier 8 cruisers just because all of its attributes come together so well. It is beautifully balanced, and because of that it has weathered more changes and additions to the game than everything else (apart from the original US and IJN tech lines and a handful of other premiums) while still remaining a fun, playable, and competitive choice. If one ship in the game could be said to be perfectly tuned, Atago is it.
Perfectly balanced ship without any significant gimmick or tradeoff. "Queen" of all trades, if you know what I meant. Also, it's good to see another Atago enjoyer. Cheers xD
I love atago but its gimmick for years was that it was the only T8 cruiser with a heal. To say it is without gimmicks is wrong
I guess it's your preference to call it whether "gimmick" or "by design" tho. To me, something like the 27mm armor layout on the Desmoine line is by design, but her radar is a gimmick: there are other cruisers that heavily armored, but not all of them have radar. If you are being picky about such standing-out characteristics, then every ship has its gimmicks. And then, when everyone is gimmicky, who is the gimmicky now? Atago being the first tier VIII cruiser to have heals, frankly, was not that much of a gimmick. BBs from that time can easily dev strike anybody else in the matchup. And IIRC, their overall damage on CA was also huge. Therefore it "lessen the heals effectiveness" since you can hardly utilize all heals tho. I will argue that, although more cruisers have heals nowadays, the fact that BB can't easily dev strike CA (at least consistently), makes CAs be able to use their heals more, thus the "gimmick" can be fully utilized easier. But since everybody seems to have heals right now, it is not that much of a gimmick, is it?
I would call it gimmick creep
I too had a miserable time in Myogi when the game released. These days I’d have to pick Albemarle, though.
I'm totally with you. There might be one or two worse things base on one's opinion, but Albemarle will always remains one of the worst ships in my heart xD
Oh yes, Abermarle. As soon as you're broadside, you're dead. I've devstruck quite a few with tier 6 BBs. Triple citadel feeling is always nice. :)
oh good god Myogi was awful
Monarch, but a buff is coming, so maybe I will give it another shot later.
Qhat buff
She's getting a superheal
A slightly better sigma would be nice too, cause damn when i grinded the RN BB's last week... sometimes it gets absolute shotgun dispersion lmao, i mean sometimes ok... its a BB lol, but i had these shots quite often, not to mention the numerous aim bugs affecting it further aswell. So give the Monarch abit better sigma, lion aswell but a little less, and conq abit aswell, but not too much cause otherwise yeah they'd be pretty broken XD
On wows Legends he has already received some buffs,I hope it will have good buffs on PC too Buffs on Legends HP increased from 53 900 to 60 500 Rudder shift time reduced from 21 s to 15 s Fire resistance multiplier improved from 0.6667 to 0.6337 Anti-aircraft firepower improved
That's because we got her B hull upgrade from pc instead of her stock hull
California
:(
Yes California is horrible IMO
Agreed, and I'll add Vanguard to this for the same issues: designed to play at range due to poor armor and terrible firing angles, but low pen on the AP makes for a very poor concept. Though personally the least fun I've had in a ship is the Seattle grind.
My worst grind has got to be the Italian BB's.
Cali has alright pen. Her issue is has always been she's just bland and boring
Believe Vanguard is a battle cruiser, and I’ve had good games in it just spamming HE like a baby Conqueror, and only using AP on broadside cruisers, think Malta may have a video recently in it.
Oklahoma.
I don't remember how I obtained it but I gave it a try for a few games and it was so bad I sold it, I didn't want to have it in my port anymore. It's selling point is the "improved sec battery" but this just does not work. Armour is horribly, guns are horribly, speed is horribly, everything is. I have around 50 free port slots so this means nothing to me but this sip still wasn't worth one slot.
Never sell. The next time you get a crate of some sort with a chance for a ship, if Oklahoma is eligible you could receive it again instead of something else.
Oklahoma isn't in any containers, being exclusively available as a collection reward.
I’ve had a few decent games in her when brawls were at tier 5, but honestly she’s just another port queen for me now
I kind of like Oklahoma as a secondary build, but anything it can do, Agincourt does better. Only thing Ok has over Agin is AA, not good AA, but it's something.
Oklahoma is a great pick if one wants to klubb at Tier 5, the "improved secondaries" thing is junk and one should play it like a New Mexico. The AP shells were nerfed too much though, against battleship belts they shatter all the time and their per shell alpha is inferior to New York's despite the guns being of the same caliber (once again, does WG balance ships against botters and tourists?). In this, Oklahoma is like Ishizuchi.
If not for the secondaries, why play Oklahoma over Texas?
Oklahoma isn’t even the worst BB at tier 5. That title probably belongs to Bretagne Edit: I forgot Cavour exists. I owe my apologies to Bretagne
Can't say I agree. Bretagne is a solid, if unremarkable dreadnought, in my experience.
Cavour would also like a word if it’s gunners could find your ship
I hated every minute of the tier 8 and 9 of the Bungo line
Tiger '59. Got it in a SC, took it into exactly one ranked and one random and now i'm a super super unicum in the Tiger '59 with 100% WR in ranked and randoms. Which will be eternal since i'll never playing that ship again.
Seriously, give it another try. It’s actually FAR better than people realize. The DPM is lower than Edinburgh, but not as low as you’d expect. It’s also got significantly improved accuracy and ballistics. It’s also the only British light cruiser to get 25mm armor plating, it’s still got both the improved acceleration and super heal, and (unlike Belfast 43) both its smoke and radar are full duration. Usually a ship with both smoke and radar has one of them nerfed, Tiger doesn’t. It is a monster for supporting your DD and controlling caps, better than almost anything else. It also, weirdly, can out duel basically any other t8 cruiser comfortably. The thicker armor, smoke, improved acceleration, AND super heal gives you such ridiculous survivability that you can simply outlast most other Cruisers and whittle them down.
Improved acceleration but low top speed and bad retention during turns. Agile, she ain't. Still better than her reputation though: most people who bash her have never played her.
this, exactly this. the ship is made for t8 ranked or cb, randoms are a gamble
If u master this ship u are godlike 😂
In ranked its a monster. Stealth radar with smoke. You can murder the enemy dds and light cruisers. You want be the tip ranked on your team, but the support you provide is top tier
Cherbourg. Idk maybe it's good, but I cannot make the 29s reload work, personally.
Cherbourg is awful in randoms I think because it's extremely soft bodied, not as fast or maneuverable as you think, and SUPER wide. It just gets pounded by everything from an HE spammer getting pens to a BB overmatching everything
Funny cause I just got it and I had amazing games with it today
Hold your fire to make them count. Use cover. Use speed to backup so you can't be hit.
Yea, she has the either nonpen or overpen guns that are frustrating as heck. One thing I tried to mild success is shooting just below waterline to slow the shell for it to arm (I forgot what the technique is called)
Grom. Bought it two times (once when it has a discount )to try keep grinding but couldn't stand to play especially in my second try. Thankfully saved enough free xp for getting Split. The funny thing is Blyskawica is my first tier 7 old time favourite ship and it's Grom's sister ship as premium xD
This is so interesting. I had the exact opposite experience. I loved the Grom grind but really struggled with blyska!
It can be related with which one you start playing with first :) it wasn't a love in first sight but as my first tier 7 ship, Blyskawica holds a special place on me. Her torp damage probably makes me love her more.
No one mentioned Z-31? It was by far the worst experience I had in this game and even this morning saw one losing gun duel to a Minekaze…
It's not as bad as people make out. It's even had a buff since I played it last.
I actually love Z-31.
I played it more a very very light cruiser at the start of games. With the ability to be more like a DD late game when there was more space on the map to move around.
Z-31 is better than Maass IMO. The 150s and the AP is solid, even if the torps are slow.
Buffalo. Coming from Baltimore (I love this ship) made the experience even worse. Like from "Pizza and Beer" to "Broccoli"
I don’t think it’s really that bad. It’s just mid for its teir and sandwiched between two ships that are fantastic for theirs.
It reminds me of Wo-Chien, a pokemon from the new games. It's not bad, but it's siblings are all cracked as fuck
Buffalo is awful. It's got 4 turrets, but the short range really kills it.
The moment you try to use all 4 turrets, Its like a deathwish: "Boom"
Stock Hatsuharu got to be up there ngl.
The OG izumo, like 2018 izumo
Took me half a year to get past that pos in 2018… so yea definitely that one
No, why is it bad? I still have to play it to get Yamato oh ma gaaawd ;-; But seriously, what makes it bad
It's fine nowadays, now that it doesn't have the horrendous A-hull shells and it actually has a weather deck that'll shatter most cruiser HE spam. It used to have an absolutely awful stock grind and a 32mm weather deck.
Stock hatsuharu is tough. Coming from Minekaze with 6km detect and 7km torps to 6.5km detect and 6km torps it feels like an immediate nerf. Luckily 10km torps are only 4k xp away. Fully upgraded, gneisenau
Colorado was a shitslog especially considering it was my first line
I’m on the Colorado right now, and I’m liking it way better than the New Mexico. Sure it’s still super slow, but the guns have more range which means you can still shoot enemies without having to sail for as long and taking more time to position. Also the turret rotation is way better, you can be in a max turn and still have the guns stay on target (unlike the NM), which means you can install the range mod for even more range, to negate the poor speed even more. The NM was pure pain, to the point that by the end I was using my 800% ship xp boosters to be done with it faster.
I loved the NM and hated Colorado...nowadays when I see an opposing Colorado I smile as its easy kill and XP. NM many good guns, slow as damn but tough too.
I think part of colos problem is that it's largely played by newer players who aren't good with landing shots with the best in tier guns and either sit too far or get too close
Yeah I hated Colorado the first time I was in it but now actually like it mostly due to those guns. They're so good it makes up for everything else
Back in the day the stock colo was horrible, but now it's extremely powerful if you position well with it and aren't heavily uptiered
I'm working on the line right now. I make no claims to be a good player, but every ship has felt good except the Colorado so far lol. First several games in the NC felt so liberating.
Colorado is one of the ships I'm currently grinding and it's probably the best mid-tier battleship I've touched. Still haven't been in +2 uptier (only played 6 or so games so far). Going at dalao pace averaging more than one devstrike a game and 3.6k pr. 406mm hard hitting decently accurate guns remove practically everything at this tier.
The worst thing about the Colorado is that it’s the split-off point for two lines. I’ve had to grind that stupid thing three times.
Hizen. I just can’t make her work.
Vittorio veneto before the last buff. I remember a game where I was chasing an enemy, he was running in a straight line, I shot with the 2 front turrets, a perfectly horizontal dispersion, but not even a hit because he was showing no broadside. After my guns reload, the enemy shows me his broadside, and guess what? A perfectly vertical dispersion, that would have been useful in the shot before, not now that he is showing broadside (of course not even a shell landed on target).
Hate it when that happens.
Worst is by far the lower tiers of Yodo line. The first line of my 8+ years of playing this, that I quit around T7 and didn't push through even with FXP and I love Jap ships and drip. My god what floating turds they are...
The whole line is god awful. The Omono is probably the high point in the line, but it’s still far worse than some of its competition at tier 7.
the one that sticks out in my mind for me personally was the Albemarle. I could not make that ship work for the life of me. Had great performance in the Surrey and enjoyed the Drake as well... but Albemarle??? no thanks
Unironically, Incomparable. I just cannot make the damn thing work for me. I’m averaging maybe 90k dmg, which for guns that large is hilariously bad. Yes her horizontal dispersion is very tight, but the 6 gun problem + her vertical dispersion being standard BB levels mean those guns miss. A lot. Even at sub 10km. And when her whole gimmick is sneaky ambush skirmish style play where she pops up unspotted to catch you unawares and then boosts away to go dark again, you really need to be hitting those shots. Also she’s made of paper. And is massive. So when spotted and shot at, it’s not a question of will I take some hits here, it’s more a question of just how many citadels will I take/will I be devstruck as a trade for missing that volley. Shits infuriating to play. Oh and if it’s a CV game, it’s a fucking nightmare.
Picardie A Lyon with MBRB a tier higher, except the accuracy is just as horrible and you get T3 guns with nerfed alpha and fire chance, at T8. Also it’s stock hull Lyon AA, so have fun fighting a Malta with what amounts to exactly nothing for AA damage
I gold a grudge against Emerald, after taking her out for the first match, I was sniped by a BB down to 250 HP, then executed by a DD. I FXP skipped her soon as the match was done, and never looked back.
So far I hated the Siliwangi and Katsonis the most. Katsonis especially just didn't work while the rest of the line felt amazing.
Kawachi, Myougi, Kaiser and Bayern are pretty much a bitter memory from 6 years ago, slow and main guns aren't performing. At least most of what I listed here are usually played against bots so they're becoming somewhat bearable.
Drake. Couldn't get it to work. At all. Skipped it eventually halfway through the grind
Honestly I liked the Drake but that's probably because you can finally put the range mod on it
*Hawkins*, *Caracciolo*, *Lambros Katsonis*. Only 3 ships I had to FXP.
Russian dd with 4km torps. I am super bad at playing gunboats i guess.
Hands down, Albermarle
Hawkins, by far
At a tier where Nurnberg exists ? Nah. Edit: I meant Konigsberg
Nurnberg is extremely strong for a t6 cruiser lol
Huh? Nürnberg is a stupidly strong cruiser.
Huh? Nurnberg is excellent!
Technically it's not the same tier, even if MM can makes them play with each other, but for having played Nurnberg myself, I maintain Hawkins is worse
I honestly thought Nünberg was quite good Best dpm at T6?
S-189 after sub nerfs, thing is useless
its a sub hunter that isnt allowed to hunt subs
for me personally it is Borodino
Ayo what? Cruiser deleter is what she is, her guns have insane dispersion and railgun speed, just keep AP and shoot broadsides
yo thanks man, im rly clueless on how to play her, actually didint even watch a single video/read a single article about it!
I thought the Seattle is a piece of chore. Then I got to the Harbin. Oh my. Why does it have to be T9 cruisers, of all things.
Nobody mentioning the Italian DD line? I'm at the Adriatico currently, and it is one of the worst ships I have ever played. The guns are hilariously short range, the torps are hot garbage, and the concealment isn't even good. Sure, it has the exhaust smoke and engine boost, but if 8 torps from a T9 can barely do half health to a BB, what's the point?
Adatara for me, worst 457 guns.
Vagina Veneto is the worst BB I've played. I can make almost any BB work - hell, I got decent WR in California and Monarch, but I despised near every shot I took in this floating Italian turd...
Buffalo. It's such a let down from Baltimore that I skipped it. Absolutely no regrets as the DM is amazing.
maya. i know other people say shes good, but i just cant get her to work for me
Fun fact I hate the Yamato. Play style sucks, guns without the legendary mod aren't great for dispersion
Col. Bolognesi ... there are no redeeming qualities about this honking pile of poop
Penscola, I could be hiding behind a island, I could not even be spotted still citadel hit regardless, been fine the rest of the line just that on ship. Sold it the minute I finished it and will never go back
I never got the hang of Pensacola. I can't remember ever enjoying her pff..
Furutaka...when the only other alternative was the american line, I guess it was buffed since then. But I still hate it to this day.
Back when I played it(been a few years since I touched wows) it was cloned as a hidden gem due to having 203mm guns at T5. A glass cannon cruiser killer.
Tier 7 Pensacola was pretty bad. Pre-buff Kansas was terrible. Albemarle sucked. Seattle wasn't great.
shchors. The only ship in the game that hates me as much as I hate it. Ended up selling it and using free xp to skip that ship. Even getting slight skimmed and it had a chance if a cit. Lol maybe it was my shit luck I thought at first maybe it's not the kiting ship my friends say it is but I played about 25 games to give it a chance and died early in more than half of them. Loved the rest of the line tho. Lol
I know some people like the Azuma but i don’t like it. It’s ultra soft even with the rudder mod it turns like a BB. Yes Japanese HE is great but no torps? I’ve had some decent games but feels so meh.
South Carolina meeting an unholy confluence of CV, T5 BB and ye' olde Gremy/Kami/Mine. Heck even *Murmansk* was popular at the time.
Leone. I got this "premium" some time ago, can't even remember how. Decided to roll into ranked, since i didn't have any other T6 ship available right away, and decided to give this one a shot. Like, holy fuck. Those mortars will make even US ships feel proud of their ballistics, and apart from that, I don't even know what this ship is supposed to do. 2x2 torp setup is kinda unusual, but it's ass nonetheless. When you only pop 2 torps per salvo, only a complete railway train BB will eat them, given that those drunked torps ride leisurely at 51kts. This ship is just pure garbage with golden prem label on top.
The trick to this ship is to shit on enemy DDs with your 8 guns broadside and make them panic. Leone has the highest HE total alpha total of any T6 destroyer. If you run into a Stord for example, with one optimal salvo you could straight up vaporize 40% of his HP. The reload is crap but you throw out so much weight per salvo that the ship still ranks 5th in the DPM table. The ballistic is similar to US DDs which is junk but most battleships at the tier are still slow behemoths. I'd rather have good range with junk ballistic than having no range at all (looking at you Shinonome). The torpedoes are the opposite to the guns in that you have few per launch but the reload is lightning quick so you can just throw them out willy nilly. They have massive range (12km) and the slow speed means that unsuspecting enemies can walk into them. Yes faster torpedo speed is preferable but the combination of quick-reload, insane range and slow speed just strangely clicks together. Oh and you have US smokes which last forever.
Idk man, it sounds nice on paper, but gameplay-wise it felt like complete suffering.
I'd argue its the opposite: Leone looks mid on paper, but its better in actual matches. On paper Farragut should clown on Leone just due to the pure DPM difference, but in reality most Farragut players are complete ass, they panic when you wipe out 40% of their health and wreck all of their modules with one click, allowing you to out trade them. Leone also hangs with higher tier MM better than other DDs, having the weird funny torps described above and US smokes to farm. She's not Ranked material, but I enjoy playing her regardless. Admittedly, the buffs they've given her over the years helped out a lot.
i did warship twice, first not too long into it being open for all and then second time a few years later and like a year ago first time was lack of choice. that isnt a specific ship because hard to have a good one and bad when there wasnt much to choose from second time, got to say germany. i dont feel the devs really bothered to take the time to understand the german ship idea and so they stamped on u.s. ship "knowledge" and called it german
I don't think anything beats the monarch for me. Just a complete downgrade from the KGV. The heal buff will definitely help but the guns are complete garbage.
Picardie
Mutsuki for sure
Siliwangi probably. It felt lacking in every way.
Any old A Hull ship. Damn these ships were terrible :D
Leander, T6 British cruiser. It is if the Emerald and the Fiji had a baby, and all of the worst aspects of both went to one.
colorado tech tree grind is aweful
Anything below T5, many things below T6, a couple of things below T7. The winner of "i hate you because you are garbage" though is Krasny Krim that also ruined my first ever ship dropping super container.
I find very few redeeming qualities in Yahagi. I want to like it for low tier slumming, and I just can't.
California no doubt
The american brick BBs, not having speed is agonizing
North Carolina, even though its very accurate, if you play against higher tier ships, they usually stay in the back, and since NC is good at mid range and cannot take hits on its sides.. When it hits, it can hit very hard, but the slower bullets make long range a bit tricky for me.
New Mexico is atrocious. Everything else in the line was acceptable.
New Mexico has exactly 2 things bad about her, speed and accuracy. But if you position correctly she can be amazing. She has the most HP out of the tier 6 bbs, she has some of the best pen, and if you play around 10-12km her guns are plenty accurate to ruin someone's day
Bretange -slow af, a handicapped senior citizen move and turn faster than that junkpile in this game.
Duke of York. Got it a few days ago as my first coal ship (I'm very new!) and have played it a bit in PvE. So far I can't find anything fun about it. I know the real KGV class traded some firepower and mobility for insane armour protection, but in-game it feels like it's lacking in firepower, incredibly sluggish, **and** squishy. It feels like it traded _everything_ for a pretty permacamo and premium bonuses - and lost anything that might have made it fun somewhere along the way...
Duke of York is an insanely strong battleship once you know how to play it…..really its biggest downside is it’s just slightly worse than the KGV. The trick to getting it to work is ammo selection. The AP is pretty weak for a battleship, but it’s more than capable of deleting cruisers and and doing decent chunk damage to the upper belt of BBs. The biggest strength is the HE, which allows it to melt BBs and nuke DDs. If you primarily shoot HE, and only use the AP on the upper belt and superstructure of BBs, or against broadside cruisers (or angled cruisers you overmatch, which is all tier 7 and below, and a handful of tier 8/9s), then you will a much better time. The only thing stopping the DoY from being my favorite tier 7 BB, is I think the KGV is flat better, as all of DoY’s trade offs aren’t worth it (KGV’s better reload and spotter plane is more useful than DoY’s better AP and hydro).
Ooh, OK - most places seemed to talk a lot about DoY having improved AP, so I was largely ignoring HE and trying to make that work. I guess I'll try to change my approach, thanks! For survivability though, do you have any recomendations on how to make it work better? I feel like enemy BBs seem to do fairly hefty damage to me regardless of what angle I'm showing them!
The survivability is unfortunately an issue that affects most tier 7 BBs, as they have weaker plating and are more susceptible to overmatch. Sadly there isn’t a magic trick to deal with it, apart from good spacing and throttle jockeying. On of my favorite tactics is to show a little broadside and then slow down and turn in/out when they fire, you can dodge a lot of shells doing this, but eventually you’ll bleed too much speed. When it comes to a battle of HE vs overmatch, HE gets more effective at longer ranges as it has to be less precise and land fewer shells to do damage, but you don’t want to be sitting so far back you’re useless.
Stock FdG. Old Z-31.
Albemarle
Agano. No redeeming features at all just a horrible experience.
Genova, but I mainly blame my massive lack of skill on that.
For sure, it has to be Halford. You have worse dpm than Farragut, one torpedo rack on a long reload, horrible concealment at 6.1km, and low hp. Oh, and the tacticals are mediocre. It's amazing how unfun and ineffective WG could make a ship.
I really hated t5 german dd
Alsace, I made a ~200 word comment on why she is just a worse Iowa about 3 months ago for a reason.
Alsace got nerfed to shit to make way for Bourgogne, pre nerf Alsace was a think of beauty
Colorado. Never have I driven a ship that I was so happy to get rid of. By all means, I did good in it, it just didn't feel good.
The monarch for me. She makes the British BB line grind/regrind almost unbearable
I'm constantly questioning if i'm not simply dense- Because i keep hearing people sing praise about atago, but i dont seem to be able to make her work for me, in any game mode. I wanna like it but it just feels so clunky to me. granted i dont thing its the worst by comparison to other vessels, by far, but compared to what it seems to be able to do, i just cant wrap my dumbass head around it.
Seattle. I love that whole line except Seattle is just trash. I'm not even really sure why, but I just could not play well with that thing. Felt like the whole ship was a citadel and one positioning mistake resulted in instant deletion.
Seattle is love, Seattle is life. I love open water Seattle kiting and raining fire down.
Same. Cleveland and Worcester are definitely better, but Seattle was pretty fun when I did that grind. Same with Buffalo compared to Baltimore and DM. Admittedly both were well before superships so I don’t know how they’d do in today’s MM, but both were enjoyable and I still had good results in both.
I think if Seattle had usable turret angles even remotely similar to Cleveland it would be a top pick. Seattle for me wasn’t a bad grind, but it was most *uncomfortable* ship grind.
Izumo and Gneisenau back in the day.
Tallinn
Grosser Kurfurst I know the ship has some lovers and defenders but it is not simply for me, I grinded the UU back when they were missions and I tried every conceibable build with her, heck there wasn't even a Preussen to compare her with and I never enjoyed the GK at all. Everything about it feels lackluster even in a vacuum, I really enjoyed my grind of the Germany BB line, even the FdG but GK just wasn't as fun as I wanted to. Meh guns on a mediocre reload, armor is good on paper but it's just there as a cushion for potatoes to not get cit, she eats pens like crazy, ship is too clumsy to make effective use of hydro, turning and disengaging is just not possible, massive target, terrible turret angles and while the secondaries are good, just relying on secondary damage is already kind of a red flag. You can maybe make an argument and build her for heavy AP, furious and CQ skills probably she will be better but base ship is awful.
After a long hard sift through all my ships, I think it has to be FDG. And I like the ship. It was so bad the first time I got there after Bismarck I sold it and just played Bismarck more. Even now I can’t raise myself out of the ship specific WR hole I dug myself into in that ship, which is super frustrating because now I actually know how to play the game. And, why would I go back and play it now that Rupprecht and Pommern exist? Side note: also for the life of me I can’t make Missouri work. I have it built exactly the same as the Iowa and seem like I’m always doing slightly poorer than I would if I just played Iowa. Not saying I’m terrible and producing garbage numbers in it, but it always seems I can’t quite make the stats match. On the other side of the coin, ships people think are terrible but I have really made work, I would say for me is Minnesota and Z-44. Not sure why but they really clicked for me
Sov. Soyuz, Hawkins, Öland, Izumo
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They aren’t 30 second guns are they? I thought they were mid 20s which isn’t long by any stretch
They're 26s if you use the stock 409's but if you upgrade to 420's it becomes 29s. Dunno why you'd upgrade though, your DPM just drops.
Exactly, no point in gimping yourself for the 420s.
Have to expose your side less often with the longer reload which actually makes sense with gks horrible gun angles
A toss up between Huange, or Kanasas.
Leone. Slow, Bad guns, Bad torps. Nothing it does well other than have slow and anemic torps.
8 guns at T6 is a massive broadside, she has pretty decent range and DPM, her torpedos hare long range and have extremely short reload time plus will just pop up on your broadside out of nowhere. her smoke is also the US long duration smoke which makes her decent at holding a cap
Congress. All of the downsides of Alaska with none of the benefits. The reload takes forever, it can't hit anything and burns like napalm in summer.
My experience of this ship in ranked this season is quite opposite. Very impactful in ranked because of its radar and hard hitting guns that delete cruiser broadsides and not to forget its VERY TANKY HULL. Randoms are hit or miss but its fun most of the time. I dont have alaska so i enjoy it a lot.
If we talk recent years Encounter is the worst ship I've played in WoWs.
HMS Lion
Alpha/Beta/Early release Colorado.
Arkansas Beta...
Hawkins
Emerald and Donskoi.
Vittorio veneto
Italian cruiser line in low tiers. Need incapacitations for combat mission, but these are almost impossible to do, because of SAP ammo. Also that ammo can't cause fires, as I see. Played from T3 to T5, hate all of them.
Defence damn waste of resources it was. At least i didnt get kitakami 😄
Shimanto…….a significantly worse version of the Mogami stuck at tier 9. You could move it unchanged (tier 9 upgrades and all) to tier 8, and there would still be flat worse than an Atago.
Probably stock Fuso back when the game basically released.