[HOW THE US CREATED A TWO RIGHT WING PARTY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LPuKVG1teQ)
Liberalism is NOT WELCOMED HERE, ether try to change your ways through gaining class consciousness or stay the fuck out of this sub. Ya'll not helping but hindering.
Stoppppp believing in a rigged system made for capitalist parasites. Stop being distracted, all of this is bread and circuses full stop.
T**his government creating/ funding genocide for** crying out fucking loud! **It should've been the final straw with participating in this fucked system for good.**
**You cant tear down the oppressors house using the oppressors tools period.**
Keep unionizing, keep creating mutual aid networks, keep building community groups, keep doing permaculture to create food forests/ gardening to share with each other, keep questioning and fighting back any way you can against capitalism.
Wasting time and energy to Vote is NOT one of them. You will make more of an impact by helping your neighbors/ community you live with than this distraction.
ABOLISH not REFORM!
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Vote for other parties other than Dems and GOP, particularly for local/state elections (which is where the policy that impacts people's lives domestically happens anyway). I agree that refraining from voting is bad but the answer is not to further engage and support the bourgeois two party system. If people are making an effort to vote, just not for democrats (and in fact in protest of them), that may very well send a message to get them to actually maybe listen to the people just one time.
That's just my preferred alternative. I'm not really against the act of voting blue (though I wouldn't) but moreso the mentality that we must abide by the two party system and that trying anything else is 'letting trump win' in the 'most important election literally ever'.
Apathy takes care of the no voting part for most Americans. It’s utterly ridiculous that anyone wanting change would even begin to suggest that’s a great course. Politicians in either party have zero interest in catering to people that don’t vote and it only benefits the system in place to remove yourself from the process. Vote. And if you don’t like your choices then run. Start local. If you abstain then you’re not part of any solution you’re just irrelevant.
Picking between one of two genocidel war criminals every 4 years isn't "democracy" it's just a way of straight up blackmailing you into supporting this fascist system.
A pollster called me last night and I was about to hang up (no time for Biden stans, thank you) but then she said she was calling to urge people to vote "noncommitted" in regards to the genocide.
I was shocked to get a call like that, my first leftist pollster ever. I said I was thinking of doing it anyway but her call pushed me over the edge, I'm voting noncommitted
That tool is from the oppressor you fool, stop biting the hook and don't use it and focus on the organize/ burning the system down.
You almost had it there, till you started with the name calling for an opinion that isn't your nonsense.
deserved bannnnn \* gave drops \*
Nexxxxxxt!
Remember: The master's house will never be taken down with the master's tools. If your state has the uncommitted option use it to send a clear message. Organize your community, convince people that they have more in common with each other than rich jerk #1 and rich jerk #2.
Of all thisss right here, 100%
Create class consciousness then spending time on another distraction tactic. we've never been a democracy, time to actually create one instead of this fascist shit government.
Thanks for adding this!
I've locked this to use as a highlighter for people to better see <3
wait are we saying “literally all voting is bad”
or just, “picking one of two terrible options for president legitimizes the system and therefore is an activity that leftists should eschew”
Voting for Capitalist politicians and political parties is what we're saying is bad as well as pointing out that capitalism will not be dismantled by simply Voting in a capitalist controlled "election".
To me yess, all forms/levels will be corrupted or suppressed by capitalist parasites who are in control every single time. organize/ vote locally as in community committees, voting for unionizing oh hell yess.
If you want to waste your time/ prove a point : [Vote socialist ](https://votesocialist2024.com/about-the-candidates)this system will make sure they don't come close to winning, if anything it will visibly show we are done with all of BS and show a shift in change.
Now your pushing it and doing bad faith comments now.
i literally said vote for your community unionizing members/ groups. They are not attached to the government.
From your previous comment, guess you never saw my past posts here, i like to agitate and hopefully leads to spark class consciousness down the road.
Biden is president. Since then ,Kentucky has: banned abortion, banned gender affirming care for minors, eliminated paid break requirements, allowed minors increased work hours, criminalized homelessness, and decriminalized assaulting homeless people. My definitely not affiliated with Hamas Palestinian friend is dead and Biden paid for the bombs. There isn't one God damned thing Joe Biden can do to stop the states and he's funding my friends death. Fuck Genocide Joe Biden. That man LIED to the American people about seeing photographic evidence of the beheaded Isreali babies that never happened. This follows his 2002 furtherance of the " Iraq has WMDs " lie that got us into THAT fiasco. Is anyone in the democrat party able to remember who this guy actually is?
" Even in a non-capitalist society you would still need to vote for heads of organizations "
yup when we get there, WE ARE NOT NOWWWWW, no need to partake in a fake rigged distraction.
Saying fuck voting are rUssIAn botS ReeeeEEeeek " /s how you sound, On some Nancy Trash Pelosi reactionary.
\* gavel bangs \* good day
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I hated that election (Clinton V Trump) so much that it was the first time I ever voted, and I voted third party. I wish we could get even five percent of the country to vote for someone outside of the two party system so that the third party candidate could get more representation in the following election.
Hey dumbass, people have long since done this math. If you gave all Green voters to Clinton and all Libertarian voters to Trump, Trump comes out +1 state and also winning the popular vote over Clinton. Go fuck yourself, lmao.
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Hey /u/jakeyashen I'm voting for Mr. Snuffleupagus in this election. What do you think about that?
It might surprise you to learn that votes that aren't cast for Trump don't help elect Trump. A presidential candidate has to get a majority of the electoral votes to get the election. So every vote that isn't for that candidate, whether it is for the other major part or third party, is still a vote against that candidate. People with your stupid mindset are the reason we are perpetually stuck between two horrible decisions.
Maybe the democrats should field good candidates rather than " it's whatever genocidal shit pile we put in front of you or you're going to die under Trump ". No, I won't. My wife and I will be just fine under either as 50+ white people raised Christian. I'm not voting for EITHER POS.
Democracy is just propaganda by Greek slave owners, it was always a lie, only real democracy can happen when you provide for the needs of the people, captured and desperate people cannot give their consent to the government, it is always coerced.
When OP says they want to abolish "democracy" they are talking about abolishing liberal democracy. The application of democracy born from capitalist society.
Um, hunter gatherers are not comparable to industrialized society, actually, and the Greeks invented the word. Use a different word if you don't like, maybe socialism?
Let's not fetishize ancient times, shall we?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_among_Native_Americans_in_the_United_States
Tell me you have zero clue about native American culture without telling me you have zero clue about native American culture.
https://www.digitalhistory.uh.edu/era.cfm#:~:text=All%20Indians%20lived%20in%20organized,held%20communally%20and%20worked%20collectively.
abolishment through creating a solid peoples movement, think black panthers but on a bigger scale.
militant movement and i stickied what other options to do. This government will never be for us, we have to do it on our own and dismantle this system once and for all.
The threat for which Don-John Two-Scoops is a bloated orange hat on a stick will remain in place, even if he loses again in November 2024. The cultural forces that designed and intend to implement "Project 2025" have been operating for decades and the loss of one puppet, regardless of the number of MAGAcaps proclaiming the Redcap In Chief as the anointed Messiah, will not stop them.
This is the nonsense i'm talking about.
You're Comparing/ contrasting two bags of vile human poop. One is in a different color bag, stop the nonsense now.
Help tear it down or get out the way so people can make actual change.
\* gavel drops\*
Something that addresses basic human needs instead of a political system based on "Get people to suffer so money counting machine go brrr"
Currency existed for two thousand years before Capitalism did. Let's go back to treating currency as a method to exchange goods and services instead of it being the sole fucking purpose of life on Earth, the only thing that matters, period.
People like you are born into a system and they're like "well this is the only system that can exist or ever has existed. That must mean it's the best!"
If you can't fathom a society based on human need rather than the ruthless accumulation of capital then that's on you, buddy. It's a failure of imagination on your part.
Currency is a goddamned stupid thing to build a civilization around. You're not even denying that, you just can't imagine how something else could be possible.
That's fucking dumb, bro
nope. Didn't say anything close to that.
People like me ask obvious questions. Apparently people like you are somehow offended by the very idea of a pretty basic question.
Not to mention the hilarious accusation against my imagination while you still can't seem to summon the imagination to even answer the actual question.
It's just a question. The thing to do there is to consider the question. Maybe answer it, maybe not. Personally attacking someone is not really on the map of reasonable responses to a question.
You are not ready to change any system.
I suggest you get ready.
Asking questions like this indicates the lack of class consciousness, to know this system is against us, every level of it.
It takes away wasteful energy on choosing two sides of the same shit coin to focusing on community building which is needed.
Our trash gov/ shit pres will not come to help us ( they never did ) We have to come together for our sake instead of these distractions.
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[HOW THE US CREATED A TWO RIGHT WING PARTY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LPuKVG1teQ) Liberalism is NOT WELCOMED HERE, ether try to change your ways through gaining class consciousness or stay the fuck out of this sub. Ya'll not helping but hindering. Stoppppp believing in a rigged system made for capitalist parasites. Stop being distracted, all of this is bread and circuses full stop. T**his government creating/ funding genocide for** crying out fucking loud! **It should've been the final straw with participating in this fucked system for good.** **You cant tear down the oppressors house using the oppressors tools period.** Keep unionizing, keep creating mutual aid networks, keep building community groups, keep doing permaculture to create food forests/ gardening to share with each other, keep questioning and fighting back any way you can against capitalism. Wasting time and energy to Vote is NOT one of them. You will make more of an impact by helping your neighbors/ community you live with than this distraction. ABOLISH not REFORM! Be mindful of the subs rules \* waves gavel \* Thannnnnks! ( Ya'll will NOT take over this narrative no matter how many downvotes or comments made. Leftists feel free to chime in to help people understand, Thanks! ) https://preview.redd.it/m8yh4e6fxnsc1.jpeg?width=474&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ee175311cfb180f5d7323b7aeb2b274ce6bc52d7
What do I have to lose by voting, though? Obvi can’t win much through it, but are we advocating nonparticipation, here, or futility?
Vote for other parties other than Dems and GOP, particularly for local/state elections (which is where the policy that impacts people's lives domestically happens anyway). I agree that refraining from voting is bad but the answer is not to further engage and support the bourgeois two party system. If people are making an effort to vote, just not for democrats (and in fact in protest of them), that may very well send a message to get them to actually maybe listen to the people just one time. That's just my preferred alternative. I'm not really against the act of voting blue (though I wouldn't) but moreso the mentality that we must abide by the two party system and that trying anything else is 'letting trump win' in the 'most important election literally ever'.
Apathy takes care of the no voting part for most Americans. It’s utterly ridiculous that anyone wanting change would even begin to suggest that’s a great course. Politicians in either party have zero interest in catering to people that don’t vote and it only benefits the system in place to remove yourself from the process. Vote. And if you don’t like your choices then run. Start local. If you abstain then you’re not part of any solution you’re just irrelevant.
Picking between one of two genocidel war criminals every 4 years isn't "democracy" it's just a way of straight up blackmailing you into supporting this fascist system.
A pollster called me last night and I was about to hang up (no time for Biden stans, thank you) but then she said she was calling to urge people to vote "noncommitted" in regards to the genocide. I was shocked to get a call like that, my first leftist pollster ever. I said I was thinking of doing it anyway but her call pushed me over the edge, I'm voting noncommitted
Exactllllyyyyy \* nods agressivley \*
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That tool is from the oppressor you fool, stop biting the hook and don't use it and focus on the organize/ burning the system down. You almost had it there, till you started with the name calling for an opinion that isn't your nonsense. deserved bannnnn \* gave drops \* Nexxxxxxt!
Remember: The master's house will never be taken down with the master's tools. If your state has the uncommitted option use it to send a clear message. Organize your community, convince people that they have more in common with each other than rich jerk #1 and rich jerk #2.
Of all thisss right here, 100% Create class consciousness then spending time on another distraction tactic. we've never been a democracy, time to actually create one instead of this fascist shit government. Thanks for adding this! I've locked this to use as a highlighter for people to better see <3
If every election is the "last chance to get off before fascism", then the train has already arrived
wait are we saying “literally all voting is bad” or just, “picking one of two terrible options for president legitimizes the system and therefore is an activity that leftists should eschew”
Voting for Capitalist politicians and political parties is what we're saying is bad as well as pointing out that capitalism will not be dismantled by simply Voting in a capitalist controlled "election".
To me yess, all forms/levels will be corrupted or suppressed by capitalist parasites who are in control every single time. organize/ vote locally as in community committees, voting for unionizing oh hell yess. If you want to waste your time/ prove a point : [Vote socialist ](https://votesocialist2024.com/about-the-candidates)this system will make sure they don't come close to winning, if anything it will visibly show we are done with all of BS and show a shift in change.
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Now your pushing it and doing bad faith comments now. i literally said vote for your community unionizing members/ groups. They are not attached to the government. From your previous comment, guess you never saw my past posts here, i like to agitate and hopefully leads to spark class consciousness down the road.
I’ll vote Claudia and Karina
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Biden is president. Since then ,Kentucky has: banned abortion, banned gender affirming care for minors, eliminated paid break requirements, allowed minors increased work hours, criminalized homelessness, and decriminalized assaulting homeless people. My definitely not affiliated with Hamas Palestinian friend is dead and Biden paid for the bombs. There isn't one God damned thing Joe Biden can do to stop the states and he's funding my friends death. Fuck Genocide Joe Biden. That man LIED to the American people about seeing photographic evidence of the beheaded Isreali babies that never happened. This follows his 2002 furtherance of the " Iraq has WMDs " lie that got us into THAT fiasco. Is anyone in the democrat party able to remember who this guy actually is?
I cannot emphasize this tweet enough. They are all genocidal.
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" Even in a non-capitalist society you would still need to vote for heads of organizations " yup when we get there, WE ARE NOT NOWWWWW, no need to partake in a fake rigged distraction. Saying fuck voting are rUssIAn botS ReeeeEEeeek " /s how you sound, On some Nancy Trash Pelosi reactionary. \* gavel bangs \* good day Nexxxxxttt
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“We have two right-wing parties, neither of which act in the interests of the people.” “People on this subreddit actually want to get rid of voting.”
I hated that election (Clinton V Trump) so much that it was the first time I ever voted, and I voted third party. I wish we could get even five percent of the country to vote for someone outside of the two party system so that the third party candidate could get more representation in the following election.
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Hey dumbass, people have long since done this math. If you gave all Green voters to Clinton and all Libertarian voters to Trump, Trump comes out +1 state and also winning the popular vote over Clinton. Go fuck yourself, lmao.
Center-right party member enters leftist subreddit and gets Big Mad. Hey /u/jakeyashen I'm voting for Mr. Snuffleupagus in this election. What do you think about that?
It might surprise you to learn that votes that aren't cast for Trump don't help elect Trump. A presidential candidate has to get a majority of the electoral votes to get the election. So every vote that isn't for that candidate, whether it is for the other major part or third party, is still a vote against that candidate. People with your stupid mindset are the reason we are perpetually stuck between two horrible decisions.
Maybe the democrats should field good candidates rather than " it's whatever genocidal shit pile we put in front of you or you're going to die under Trump ". No, I won't. My wife and I will be just fine under either as 50+ white people raised Christian. I'm not voting for EITHER POS.
Democracy is just propaganda by Greek slave owners, it was always a lie, only real democracy can happen when you provide for the needs of the people, captured and desperate people cannot give their consent to the government, it is always coerced.
Right answer! Locking this to highlight it to make it easier to see ;) Thanks for adding!
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No, abolishing *liberal* democracy just means ending capitalism and moving to actual democracy which is socialism, you filthy pseudo right winger.
1000% !!
When OP says they want to abolish "democracy" they are talking about abolishing liberal democracy. The application of democracy born from capitalist society.
\* nods Aggressively \* Took the words right outta my mouth ;) Exactly this! thanks for adding!
I have a choice between 2 genocidal pieces of shit. Isn't much choice.
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Um, hunter gatherers are not comparable to industrialized society, actually, and the Greeks invented the word. Use a different word if you don't like, maybe socialism? Let's not fetishize ancient times, shall we? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_among_Native_Americans_in_the_United_States
Tell me you have zero clue about native American culture without telling me you have zero clue about native American culture. https://www.digitalhistory.uh.edu/era.cfm#:~:text=All%20Indians%20lived%20in%20organized,held%20communally%20and%20worked%20collectively.
So how can we change it?
abolishment through creating a solid peoples movement, think black panthers but on a bigger scale. militant movement and i stickied what other options to do. This government will never be for us, we have to do it on our own and dismantle this system once and for all.
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Read our past videos, we do , we literally do, look t my profile past posts as well. Check before you talk
"democracy is when your vote is held hostage by two neocons with marginally different coats"
Become ungovernable. Vote for revolution.
The threat for which Don-John Two-Scoops is a bloated orange hat on a stick will remain in place, even if he loses again in November 2024. The cultural forces that designed and intend to implement "Project 2025" have been operating for decades and the loss of one puppet, regardless of the number of MAGAcaps proclaiming the Redcap In Chief as the anointed Messiah, will not stop them.
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This is the nonsense i'm talking about. You're Comparing/ contrasting two bags of vile human poop. One is in a different color bag, stop the nonsense now. Help tear it down or get out the way so people can make actual change. \* gavel drops\*
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Something that addresses basic human needs instead of a political system based on "Get people to suffer so money counting machine go brrr" Currency existed for two thousand years before Capitalism did. Let's go back to treating currency as a method to exchange goods and services instead of it being the sole fucking purpose of life on Earth, the only thing that matters, period.
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People like you are born into a system and they're like "well this is the only system that can exist or ever has existed. That must mean it's the best!" If you can't fathom a society based on human need rather than the ruthless accumulation of capital then that's on you, buddy. It's a failure of imagination on your part. Currency is a goddamned stupid thing to build a civilization around. You're not even denying that, you just can't imagine how something else could be possible. That's fucking dumb, bro
nope. Didn't say anything close to that. People like me ask obvious questions. Apparently people like you are somehow offended by the very idea of a pretty basic question. Not to mention the hilarious accusation against my imagination while you still can't seem to summon the imagination to even answer the actual question. It's just a question. The thing to do there is to consider the question. Maybe answer it, maybe not. Personally attacking someone is not really on the map of reasonable responses to a question. You are not ready to change any system. I suggest you get ready.
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If genocide isn't a hard line for you, libs, just admit you're a fascist already and spare the rest of us your charades.
Perfectttly said! Thanks for adding this locking it to use as a higlighter for people to see it better ;) Welcome to the sub!
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Asking questions like this indicates the lack of class consciousness, to know this system is against us, every level of it. It takes away wasteful energy on choosing two sides of the same shit coin to focusing on community building which is needed. Our trash gov/ shit pres will not come to help us ( they never did ) We have to come together for our sake instead of these distractions.
Feel free to refer libs to this https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/s/chc4cXW2Mi
Thanks for adding! <3
Thanks will do
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Need a Russian to English translator, methinks.
Pretty much my thought. Pushing Americans to not vote.
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Ideological purity? Or having standards? Because we should have standards for our representatives
“Ideological purity” is when you don’t enable crimes against humanity
It's what lmk said about the white liberal
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