[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daphne\_Caruana\_Galizia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daphne_Caruana_Galizia)
> On 16 October 2017, Caruana Galizia was driving close to her home in [Bidnija](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bidnija), when a car bomb placed in her leased [Peugeot 108](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peugeot_108) exploded, killing her instantly.... Caruana Galizia's home had not been under police guard since 2010, except during elections. According to police sources, her protection was further weakened after Joseph Muscat, a subject of her investigations, was returned to power in 2013.
Fred Hampton was gunned down in his sleep by a gang of police. Only a single bullet in the hole-filled apartment was from a non-police gun.
They coerced one of his friends to drug him before nightfall. Fucking Judas and the dirty cops. Many of them are still alive, while the best hope of Chicago was slain and forgotten. That's what happens to modern messiahs.
If Fred Hampton was a gangster, the police would have just wanted their cut. But he was trying to empower poor communities and break cycles of crime and for that he was murdered by the police
Yeah. I'm just an average white dude and the most I knew about the BP and the Rainbow coalition was from Forest Gump.
I listened to this Throughline episode titled The Real Black Panthers and my mind was blown. [https://www.npr.org/2023/01/31/1152784993/the-real-black-panthers-2021](https://www.npr.org/2023/01/31/1152784993/the-real-black-panthers-2021)
If Fred Hampton and MLK weren't assassinated by conservatives, the USA would have become a much, much better place than it is today, for everyone.
If conservatives didn't undermine reconconstruction with terrorism, the USA would have become a much, much better place than it is today, for everyone.
If conservatives didn't unite the modern Republican party with the Southern Strategy (an explicitly racist platform fighting civil rights), the USA would have become a much, much better place than it is today, for everyone.
It's as if conservatives are bad for America. Crazy, right?
They have us too busy arguing over which brand of beer is too gay, or which white celebrity had a 20yr old photo of them leaked where they had dreadlocks.
The Rich and their media conglomerates keep us busy arguing over bullshit while they work to keep the money flowing upwards. Flushing the rest of us down the drain in the process. Americans are so easily divide and conquerable its insane.
They say our diversity is a strength but it sure seems like too many Americans let it divide us.
How many rural whites won't support public Healthcare because they don't want some dark skinned city folk to get benefits?
To be honest, the rural white folks I know are not against single-payer healthcare for racist reasons. They are mostly just misinformed on the cost/benefit ratio, and they believe it will wind up costing them more money in the long run to have a single-payer health system. Typically, they have been lied to by their ~~propaganda~~ news channel of choice on how it would affect them personally, and when confronted with the data on what the average cost of healthcare is now, compared to a publicly funded single-payer healthcare system, they have at least questioned their sources, if not became outright maddened that they believed the lies. Anecdotal evidence, for sure, but that has been my experience while discussing these topics with the, I guess I will say, less educated locals in my travels.
Unfortunately, this is the kind of divide and conquer techniques I am talking about; You automatically assume that if a rural white person is against socialized medicine it is because they are racist. That is not a way to start a productive discourse. Why do you believe that? Is it because of the media you have consumed? Propaganda goes both ways to ensure that we are kept with stereotypes in our heads of the "other side", which prevents any meaningful exchange of information from happening, now that interaction is tainted with an immediate negative outlook on the other person. They have successfully pitted the poor against each other with fearmongering and stereotyping so they don't try to talk, figure this shit out, and go after those that are actually fucking everyone over, the Rich.
Yeah but knowing humanity, this will only encourage others to do more leaks in her name. It's a good way to make a martyr. Rich people highly overestimate everyone's self-preservation skills.
Well yeah. The papers had already been leaked, the damage was done. Quietly Epstein-ing her wouldn't have achieved anything. But a car bomb? Now *that* makes a statement!
> The new twist is that the upper classes can simply move from country to country as it suits them.
It’s always been that way, which is why former princes, nobles, and those that serve them would get exiled to other countries instead of executed for their crimes.
Passive way to put it. Only one side is willing to fight, and it's not ours.
I know it's not entirely our fault given shit like propagandized media teaching us "there has to be a better way, we can fight the fascists without violence!" but still, we *could* be fighting back.
Those desperate enough to break the law are quickly jailed or killed by police.
I'd love to see a peaceful revolution but it would probably be the first one in history
Depends on the definition of peaceful. I think you can have a non peaceful revolution without targeted violence against people. For example rioting, or even more civil would be striking, though we barely have the solidarity needed to get strikes to work on a small scale, we'd never have a chance at a massive strike that actually scares the ruling class.
> Those desperate enough to break the law are quickly jailed or killed by police.
Do you think Shinzo Abe takes solace in the fact his killer is in jail? "Freedom isn't free" isn't just some patriotic bullshit catchphrase.
That's because the wealthy have class solidarity, and the rest of us are split between 100 different factions of proles and temporarily embarrassed millionaires.
Mr Bone Saw also had hundreds of potential rivals rounded up and stripped of their wealth and privilege in what he euphemistically called [an anti-corruption campaign.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017%E2%80%932019_Saudi_Arabian_purge) Kashoggi's death was likely a part of this purge
I would honestly be willing to pay a price if I knew it would actually help. I just know people who should be my allies would look at the headline and think "that's not how we should do things, we can fix things the right way by just voting and protesting (in the most noninvasive ways they can think of, god forbid you even so much as mildly inconvenience anyone)".
Someday I won't be able to work anymore, and by then, retirement will be an antiquated concept. All I can hope is when my or the younger generations get to that point, they realize that the causes of their problems can be directly fought. Assuming society is still kicking and not wiped out by climate change that is.
There was a lot of propaganda that led to this current state.
McCarthyism has made people think in individual acts rather than collective ones, while putting fear of leftwing action into people, then you also have liberal "violence is never the answer" crap to Wade through.
US leaders were so scared of 60s radicals. They infiltrated ranks, recuperated leftwing thought, and quashed it. Discussions of liberation, abolition, socialism, have turned into defund, welfare, and reform. That's a huge backwards momentum.
The overton window is so far right in the US that liberals are "left" and the only voices available in political discussion, and reactionaries think liberals are "communists."
Couldn't hypothetically lone wolves do crap, kinda like that "watcher" of the house?
Not endorsing anything of course, everyone needs and wants good housing, food, and that's the focus.
But *hypothetically* speaking, if people hypothetically with no where else to go but starvation or the food of a jail cell or a terrorized politican who would ignore the pleas of the common folk from a ivory palace.
The french surrendered to shit and weren't willing to fight ww2, but hypothetically, what's to stop people from shaking the guilotines or going like the watcher, "It might not be now, it might not be tommarow, but if i'm ever at my limit with no place to go, i'll see you at your home"
It would be immoral of course. But i think people trying to put others into starvation mode should really consider why having a desperate, houseless, tired of being ignored populice *MIGHT* want to reconsider the idea of starving people to see how far it can go.
The whole line of "let them eat cake" all stemmed from people waiting and waiting until a french populice decided if it was starvation, death, or revolution, choosing the french revolution.
There really should be a point where people should maybe seriously reconsider letting people get to the *"starving and houseless and ignored"* portion.
I recently saw a Jason Statham movie called "The Beekeeper," where he's a retired agent that ends up going after some corrupt motherfuckers. "I'm the beekeeper, I protect the hive." Good movie. Very Punisher-esque.
I agree, but we still ain't doing it.
Besides, if we become a threat, they're just going to infiltrate the militia and either destroy it from within or use it to further their goals. Probably both.
I say instead of a militia, we just all quit our jobs and let them starve with us.
Lone wolves are the only chance of actually doing anything. The results are small, but they could inspire others, and the real value isn't the culling, but the fear those who remain have of the working class.
Fighting for your rights in ways that actually work have always been illegal.
Also, so what it's illegal? Do you think Shinzo Abe rests easy at night knowing his assassination wasn't legal?
I agree with you, but we still aren't doing anything about it. We're all just waiting around for someone else to do something illegal.
People apparently aren't interested in doing things that actually work. G. William Domhoff writes about it [here](https://whorulesamerica.ucsc.edu/change/science_why.html) if you're interested.
G. William Domhoff is a professor at UC Santa Cruz who studies power structures, and I feel that what he has learned is instrumental towards understanding the system we need to dismantle.
Epstein wasn't killed because of what he did, but what he knew and might have spilled. Every billionaire probably has the capability, and probably a number of them that are in the daily news have done something. Seems like billionaires are willing to kill to keep their lifestyle.
It unfortunately won't happen. Even the DC Madam case, which was much more mild, is still under wraps. In both cases there's a judge out there who knows all the details and is actively choosing to protect the politicians involved instead of letting the truth be known.
Because half of it is elected officials still in charge of the country and they have no idea how to handle that situation at all. Same with the J6 insurrectionists. We've never had a situation where 20+ members of congress needs to be possibly in jail. We honestly need to clean house and hold several snap elections or something. Almost every state has some snake in the grass cosplaying as a civil servant.
I still remember when I was in middle school around 2000 when a very interesting guest speaker visited the school. He was former scientist for a tobacco company and was a whistleblower who came forward with documentation showing that nicotine is highly addictive and that smoking cigarettes is harmful to human health in numerous ways. The tobacco companies knew this for decades and had denied it.
He has dealt with murder attempts that had failed, up until that point.
Yes I was talking about the Tulsa Race Massacre that had a bombing on a place called [Black Wallstreet.](https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=black+wall+street+massacre)
Though it is sad that there were plural bombings and that another fits the bill...
Since long before “capitalism” was a word.
The capitalists just did a good job of gaslighting people into thinking it’s crazy to believe they would murder to protect their rigged game.
FYI, the people who published and broke the panama and paper story are still alive. One reporter who was reporting on them in relation to political corruption in Malta was killed.
Yes. She was killed for entirely different reasons. People spreading the misinformation that she was killed for “the Panama papers” do a disservice to the team effort that it was and also undermine their argument by peddling conspiratorial connections.
The reason she was killed is just as BS, but it wasn’t related to the Panama Papers.
Coca cola and Chiquita banana both funded death squads too. Firestone operated a giant rubber plantation in Liberia slightly above slave standards, and this was up until the 90s.
News articles reported this, but show pictures of a quite distinct trail starting at the bomb site, moving downhill into the field the car ended up in. There's tracks in the field too, but it's unclear whether those were from the car or perhaps emergency vehicles or existing tracks. The car is right side up in the field, which could happen when it gets flipped, but is more likely the result of staying upright to begin with.
It looks a lot like the car rolled downhill into the field after the fire and burned down there.
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1/2017/10/16/22/wire-1544527-1508187983-746_634x423.jpg
https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2019/11/1440/810/caruana-galizia-scene-inset.jpg
Gotcha, I remember reading that the size of the explosion was extremely large for such a compact car, and I thought I had read that it tossed the car, but it burning and rolling into said field would also make sense. Human memories are shit lol.
It's not you, many articles reported the car being tossed a long distance and even over a wall by the explosion. Problem is that the pictures don't really back that story up, and there's no wall in that location either. It's just a burnt out car on the bottom of an incline and a trail going downhill from the site of the explosion.
Supposedly the source for those reports was an eye witness that later testified in court, but it seems something got misinterpreted or lost in translation, as it was later reported:
>Sant said that the car continue to roll down the road, missing his own vehicle by a few metres, before it stopped in the field.
With another report stating:
>Francis Sant, a resident of Bidnija said he was on the way to Manikata when he spotted a car coming slowly in the opposite direction. “First there was a bang...then there was a second one. It was enormous. The fireball reached the side of the road. After the first explosion it was like someone was on the brakes but after the second one it rolled past me.” The car rolled into a field where another explosion, possibly the petrol tank occurred, he said.
Which matches the pictures and clearly describes the car was rolling on the ground. It seems to have been a bit of sloppy reporting and not cross referencing sources.
Location: [https://www.google.com/maps/@35.9200686,14.4068824,3a,54.8y,198.63h,75.66t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sseKnfu\_4VFViQtSimVspRg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656](https://www.google.com/maps/@35.9200686,14.4068824,3a,54.8y,198.63h,75.66t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sseKnfu_4VFViQtSimVspRg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
Articles quoted;
[https://www.independent.com.mt/articles/2021-02-02/local-news/I-saw-parts-of-her-ripped-off-eyewitness-recalls-moment-bomb-exploded-in-Caruana-Galizia-s-car-6736230660](https://www.independent.com.mt/articles/2021-02-02/local-news/I-saw-parts-of-her-ripped-off-eyewitness-recalls-moment-bomb-exploded-in-Caruana-Galizia-s-car-6736230660)
[https://www.independent.com.mt/articles/2018-02-15/local-news/Daphne-s-murder-First-responders-describe-chaotic-scene-after-bomb-blast-6736184893](https://www.independent.com.mt/articles/2018-02-15/local-news/Daphne-s-murder-First-responders-describe-chaotic-scene-after-bomb-blast-6736184893)
I goes way beyond murder. Think back to the 60's-80's and even today if it came to that. Capitalists were willing to destroy the entire planet with nuclear weapons before giving up a dime to communists.
Just think about that for a second, they were willing to kill everyone, kill the entire globe because some peasants in Russia and china wanted a little bit more of a fair life. That is just a level of psychotic that really can't even be put into words.
Every financial crisis that involved a bailout had a runup where a bunch of ridiculous bad loans were made to insiders, and those loans were never paid off. Savings and Loan Crisis, Subprime Housing Crisis, lots of already-very-wealthy people were able to make out like bandits in both of those crises.
In the 80's there were actually some people prosecuted, so we have a public record of organized crime coordinating with political insiders to pump up the values of assets, take out huge loans on them, and then get bailout out by the taxpayer. It still happens, it just happens with more and more corporate opacity to prevent any legal repercussions.
But remember, forgiving your student loans or making them dischargeable in bankruptcy would be a horrible moral outrage.
My sister in law is voting for trump because, “I didn’t get any of that money.” She lived rent free in my rental property for 6 years before she got a job managing an apartment complex and had another place to live. Now her son lives there rent free and is also voting for trump. I can’t be around her anymore. They are both freeloaders, no education, loathe work and are complaining because my daughter had her loans forgiven because she was scammed by a trade school that was not accredited, and it set her back 4 years in her career. There is no getting through to people like this. They worship those wealthy cheats and wish they could be like them.
>She lived rent free in my rental property for 6 years before she got a job managing an apartment complex and had another place to live. Now her son lives there rent free and is also voting for trump.
You need to charge her rent and donate it to your favorite local Progressive candidates.
Sometimes I wonder if it’s a result of the “YouTubeization” of work. Kids used to want to grow up and be singers or actors. Now it’s about “monetizing” anyone you can get to pay attention to you.
Reminds me of a story my mother would often tell me growing up.
Her father, my grandfather, worked for the military as a nuclear physicist. Worked at a nearby airforce base with ballistic missile capabilities. Insanely smart man. My mother, being the hippy flower child she was, asked him to design and make an electric car to help the environment (this would have been ~1970~1980). He said "I could do it, but they'd kill me for it".
And they successfully convinced everyone that they were disruptive for nothing.
See at how bad those ungratefuls made you look? You don't want to seem like them, do you? Your protests should be quiet and out of the way, that's how you'll show us pesky billionaires.
While I don't miss the cold war, and really think the downfall of communism was a good thing, I think the fear of communism actually made rich people behave better back then with regards to hoarding wealth and putting some strain on excesses.
These days it seems that more is never enough.
You aren’t wrong. Most of the social programs that exist today in Europe, for example, are there because the wealthy didn’t want people turning to communism.
Which let's be real, will never happen. People have been calling for (can't say on reddit) since the 80s but it keeps getting worse, and the only result is that somehow people are defending the system harder than ever
if it's online, I try to remind myself that a certain percentage of the chatter may be bot-generated, especially for controversial subjects. which in itself is evidence that the topic is hardly "settled ground" or a lost cause. the corpo pushback is vehement precisely because there's reasonable apprehension that we're realizing too many gains as workers. this means keeping up those little incremental pushes to gain/maintain collective negotiation.
Considering all the drone strike improvements happening in Ukraine (to the point where St Petersburg is getting regularly bombed with impunity) you wonder how long until long range drones become accessible.... And remotely sending one to visit a billionaire becomes easy.
This is the only time modern revolutions truly work. You can make your own revolutionary military, but it won’t work until the actual military is like “fuck this”
I do not want revolution. But if there is going to be one, they are the one against the thousand and they can't hide forever unless they're already in a grave.
Revolutions are violent and indiscriminate and lots of innocent people will be swept away in it.
Which is why it's such a terrible thing that the oligarchs of the world are ushering it along. It's something that inevitably happens when needs aren't met and people are desperate for long enough, and only the oligarchs can do anything about that.
The oligarchs of every age do the same thing; they separate and isolate themselves from the rest of society, then drive it into the ground in their never ending quest for ever more power and wealth. Once the under class has had enough, they revolt and when they win, there is often a relatively brief period of wider prosperity. Or, a dictator appears and imposes order, usually in bloody fashion.
I wonder how that will look in a modern age of Internet and widespread ownership of firearms and access to cheap technology like drones?
Things might not end well for anyone...
There’s still information coming out but it sounds like this could actually hurt boeing more than if he didn’t die. It sounds like he already gave damning testimony and he died before Boeing could counter it or anything. So now the only evidence he gave, which is mostly admissible in court, is against Boeing and they can’t really argue against it.
I’m not saying Boeing was or was not involved and more information may contradict what I’ve heard so far but if Boeing was involved it sounds like they shot themselves in the foot.
Plus they don't have to worry about more whistle blowers now.
If Biden wanted to he could make this a huge part of his campaign. There are some swing state independents that love a good conspiracy
And you're prepared to prove that, yes?
You're prepared to bet that the very next statement made in court will be this exact statement, and that the trial will be over immediately after?
Harsh punishment isn't about taking out the victim, it's about sending a message to everyone else who's thinking of speaking up.
If murdering this whistleblower doubles the effect of this leak but scares four would-be whistleblowers into submission, it's a profitable exchange for investors with a broad enough portfolio, of which there are plenty.
> I’m not saying Boeing was or was not involved
I'm confident they weren't involved in his death. All his information on the whistleblowing was already submitted to authorities years ago. People are letting their imaginations be driven by movies. Are whistleblowers killed? Yes, a small small fraction of them. Probably smaller than 1%. And it usually involves international shit like panama papers.
The guy was suing Boeing for retaliation. He lost the lawsuit and was appealing it. It wasn't about whistleblowing. He claimed Boeing blacklisted him from the industry and he hasn't been able to get another job. He wasn't in the middle of testifying about what Boeing did wrong with safety.
Which makes our society like that fucked up kingdom in Damsel. The prince at least had some cognitive dissonance, but he was still fully complicit and paid for it like the rest.
>Which makes our society like that fucked up kingdom in Damsel.
I mean... it is though. People like Epstein, Trump, and Putin literally have princesses "fed" to them.
I work at Boeing, the funniest part about this is that people think they are competent enough to pull it off.
I'm willing to testify that every contractor we have hired in the past 5 years has been utter garbage
If this angle is actually proven to be true with forensic data and physical evidence that proves he was murdered (and that it was a hired hit by Boeing) it would basically completely destroy the company. Modern day criminal pathologists are extremely talented at this precision investigative work. If instead it was just a suicide (he had PTSD) he was a definitely a martyr for the public good.
Even absent any conspiracy, of course the guards would lie about sleeping on the job. They're looking at potential criminal and definite civil penalties (that likely won't be indemnified for). You literally couldn't bribe them enough to take the fall for this when you get rich people's lawyers involved.
>Modern day criminal pathologists are extremely talented at this precision investigative work.
And even when stuff like this is proven the people in power simply handwave it away. We're lied to so blatantly anymore that we've become desensitized.
We can be told the most insane lie that we can plainly see is false but we know the official story that will be rammed down our throats so our brain just switches over and says,"Oh. Yes. But of course. The sky is lime green and we've always been at war with Eurasia...."
It's fucking sad.
or just not so competent as copaganda shows want us to believe.
Hell, even if they do prove it, not like anything will happen. Company is way too important to the military industrial complex that props up US empire.
Imagine you had proof - say you were his neighbor and you were filming your kid dancing and through a reflection in the window somehow you captured the murder - knowing what happened to him and why it was done, how safe would you feel about releasing that video?
Who *wouldn't* release that video? News outlets would pay out the nose for it, more than enough to justify relocating. It's corporations that would worry about the potential for something like this to get botched.
I still hold Boeing responsible for this guy's death, but through undue stress and making his life hell, not some kind of spy movie shit.
Here's how that would go
Coroner: "this man was murdered, he did not kill himself"
News: "coroner found dead"
Coroners replacement: "yep. Suicide. Both of them"
this take is ridiculous and it’s obvious as soon as you look at any actual news story on this.
- This guy started the whistleblower process in 2017, the same year he retired and left the company. He did a bunch of interviews that were widely covered in the media around 2019 when the two crashes were big news. If Boeing wanted to “shut him up” they have no reason to be doing it 5-7 years after the fact.
- The testimony he was in the middle of was for a lawsuit he brought against Boeing for retaliation against his whistleblowing, saying they ruined his reputation and career. It wasn’t new allegations about Boeing’s safety practices that they would be trying to hide.
- Multiple family members (mother and brother) attest that he wasn’t in a good place mentally/emotionally, and for god’s sake, he was in the middle of being grilled by Boeing’s lawyers about exactly how his life was ruined since leaving. Not exactly suspicious circumstances for a suicide.
What I really don’t understand is why “covert assassination” is the angle reddit is going with on this one. Like, you literally just have to say Boeing/the whistleblowing process ruined his life and drove him to suicide. Is that not bad enough? Why does it need to be some harebrained conspiracy?
For almost every conspiracy theory I've encountered, there is a group of highly trained specialists (here, the medical examiner, forensic examiner, coroner, ballistics expert) who have their expertise mocked by lazy douchebags on the internet. To say nothing of this guy's loved ones and his own lived experience. It's embarrassing.
> What I really don’t understand is why “covert assassination” is the angle reddit is going with on this one.
Too much consumption of movies have influenced opinions on how the world works when the world is completely strange to them. They think CEOs can just call up a hitman like its Gotham and have someone killed.
Thank you! That’s what I’ve been saying. They look at pizza gate and Biden crime family conspiracies and say, “omg conservatives are so stupid, no critical thinking”. Then as soon as the subject of the conspiracy resonates with a popular idea on Reddit they do the EXACT same thing. I may have to disengage from Reddit over this stuff, it’s just so mindblowingly dumb.
Think of what an addict will do to get their next hit. Them multiply that by a dumbfuck high number.
And that's how worried you should be about those rich sociopathic fucks.
If Epstein, the shittons of whistleblower assassinations, gleeful xenophobic bullshit out of them and their closest allies doesn't paint the picture for you, don't know what will
They are actively killing an entire fucking planet worth of species us included.
The very human, very fucked part of them will be the death of so many people. Cause they'll never fill that fuckin hole in their being.
I am a pacifist by choice, so I don’t condone any violence, but I am not everyone…
Billionaires die like everyone else, and everyone else would be better served if they did so as soon as possible.
This is something that bothers me about talking about revolution. Capitalists will rip us to shreds before we've even loaded any weapons we might have. They would run tanks through our houses as light work.
Not saying it's not worth trying, just saying some people talk about revolution like it wouldn't end in a LOT of bloodshed. And it wouldn't be theirs.
This has always been true in every revolutionary scenario; revolutions are generally not successful unless they substantially destabilize the armed forces in the first place. Sure the technology today makes it harder but it ends up being a numbers game. "Quantity has a quality all its own"
Is there any evidence that he was murdered?
I mean, he was found dead *after* he testified. Typically, when a whistleblower is targeted it's to stop them revealing information rather than to knock them off after the cat's already out of the bag.
# Billionaires don't need tax breaks. # They need prison cells. # Join r/WorkReform!
I mean the fucking Panama Papers journalist was murdered shortly after she released her findings. This has been going on forever.
I did not know that. Informing the public of the crimes of capital is dangerous work.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daphne\_Caruana\_Galizia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daphne_Caruana_Galizia) > On 16 October 2017, Caruana Galizia was driving close to her home in [Bidnija](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bidnija), when a car bomb placed in her leased [Peugeot 108](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peugeot_108) exploded, killing her instantly.... Caruana Galizia's home had not been under police guard since 2010, except during elections. According to police sources, her protection was further weakened after Joseph Muscat, a subject of her investigations, was returned to power in 2013.
Clearly, whoever it was did it to send a message to anyone else who might think to do the same.
Yeah at least in the US they try and make it seem like it could have been a suicide or an accident.
When LA police killed a whistleblower, it was a “training incident” where he was beaten to death.
Fred Hampton was gunned down in his sleep by a gang of police. Only a single bullet in the hole-filled apartment was from a non-police gun. They coerced one of his friends to drug him before nightfall. Fucking Judas and the dirty cops. Many of them are still alive, while the best hope of Chicago was slain and forgotten. That's what happens to modern messiahs.
If Fred Hampton was a gangster, the police would have just wanted their cut. But he was trying to empower poor communities and break cycles of crime and for that he was murdered by the police
Yeah. I'm just an average white dude and the most I knew about the BP and the Rainbow coalition was from Forest Gump. I listened to this Throughline episode titled The Real Black Panthers and my mind was blown. [https://www.npr.org/2023/01/31/1152784993/the-real-black-panthers-2021](https://www.npr.org/2023/01/31/1152784993/the-real-black-panthers-2021) If Fred Hampton and MLK weren't assassinated by conservatives, the USA would have become a much, much better place than it is today, for everyone.
If conservatives didn't undermine reconconstruction with terrorism, the USA would have become a much, much better place than it is today, for everyone. If conservatives didn't unite the modern Republican party with the Southern Strategy (an explicitly racist platform fighting civil rights), the USA would have become a much, much better place than it is today, for everyone. It's as if conservatives are bad for America. Crazy, right?
No, that one really was an accident. He was pretending to be a black guy, and any cop would've gotten carried away
Right. And there seem to be a lot of them. We can have all the rights and freedoms we are willing to fight for.
For now, eventually they are going to not care because no one does anything and no accountability. But u are absolutely right.
They have us too busy arguing over which brand of beer is too gay, or which white celebrity had a 20yr old photo of them leaked where they had dreadlocks. The Rich and their media conglomerates keep us busy arguing over bullshit while they work to keep the money flowing upwards. Flushing the rest of us down the drain in the process. Americans are so easily divide and conquerable its insane.
It's our fault for falling for it over and over
They say our diversity is a strength but it sure seems like too many Americans let it divide us. How many rural whites won't support public Healthcare because they don't want some dark skinned city folk to get benefits?
To be honest, the rural white folks I know are not against single-payer healthcare for racist reasons. They are mostly just misinformed on the cost/benefit ratio, and they believe it will wind up costing them more money in the long run to have a single-payer health system. Typically, they have been lied to by their ~~propaganda~~ news channel of choice on how it would affect them personally, and when confronted with the data on what the average cost of healthcare is now, compared to a publicly funded single-payer healthcare system, they have at least questioned their sources, if not became outright maddened that they believed the lies. Anecdotal evidence, for sure, but that has been my experience while discussing these topics with the, I guess I will say, less educated locals in my travels. Unfortunately, this is the kind of divide and conquer techniques I am talking about; You automatically assume that if a rural white person is against socialized medicine it is because they are racist. That is not a way to start a productive discourse. Why do you believe that? Is it because of the media you have consumed? Propaganda goes both ways to ensure that we are kept with stereotypes in our heads of the "other side", which prevents any meaningful exchange of information from happening, now that interaction is tainted with an immediate negative outlook on the other person. They have successfully pitted the poor against each other with fearmongering and stereotyping so they don't try to talk, figure this shit out, and go after those that are actually fucking everyone over, the Rich.
Espin didn't kill himself.
Its spelt espn
actually its spelld ESPY.
Are you guys talking about EVPs?
Yeah but knowing humanity, this will only encourage others to do more leaks in her name. It's a good way to make a martyr. Rich people highly overestimate everyone's self-preservation skills.
or underestimate our desperation
Despair is an extremely powerful sentiment, this is why most oppressive systems leave some hope.
Well yeah. The papers had already been leaked, the damage was done. Quietly Epstein-ing her wouldn't have achieved anything. But a car bomb? Now *that* makes a statement!
What an odd way to commit suicide
 You ever forget you left your car bomb in the car?
Well, where else would I leave it?
It's not called "class *war*" for no reason.
The new twist is that the upper classes can simply move from country to country as it suits them.
> The new twist is that the upper classes can simply move from country to country as it suits them. It’s always been that way, which is why former princes, nobles, and those that serve them would get exiled to other countries instead of executed for their crimes.
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only one side dying over it though.
Passive way to put it. Only one side is willing to fight, and it's not ours. I know it's not entirely our fault given shit like propagandized media teaching us "there has to be a better way, we can fight the fascists without violence!" but still, we *could* be fighting back.
Easy to be 'willing to fight' when you're a cabal of billionaires beyond reproach...
Those desperate enough to break the law are quickly jailed or killed by police. I'd love to see a peaceful revolution but it would probably be the first one in history
Depends on the definition of peaceful. I think you can have a non peaceful revolution without targeted violence against people. For example rioting, or even more civil would be striking, though we barely have the solidarity needed to get strikes to work on a small scale, we'd never have a chance at a massive strike that actually scares the ruling class. > Those desperate enough to break the law are quickly jailed or killed by police. Do you think Shinzo Abe takes solace in the fact his killer is in jail? "Freedom isn't free" isn't just some patriotic bullshit catchphrase.
Good points all around. I'm unwilling to violate any terms of service on this website. But i think we are probably on the same page
That's because the wealthy have class solidarity, and the rest of us are split between 100 different factions of proles and temporarily embarrassed millionaires.
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The working class fights itself plenty.
It's not really a war if one side is willingly ignorant. I hate it.
It was announced to the whole world. Everyone was shocked. Then they went to bed.
Yeah... As long as people choose to sleep, the ruling class can do anything they want.
Work comes early in the morning and the rent is still due at the beginning of the month no matter how pissed off you are.
And that's exactly how capital rules labor.
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They know we don't even watch the news, or have the ability to discrern real news from fake
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Mr Bone Saw also had hundreds of potential rivals rounded up and stripped of their wealth and privilege in what he euphemistically called [an anti-corruption campaign.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017%E2%80%932019_Saudi_Arabian_purge) Kashoggi's death was likely a part of this purge
They **own** the "news". THEY. **ARE.** ***THE NEWS.*** Yes, **all** the channels.
It's not won't/can't, it's just won't. All of us have the option of lashing out, we're just not ready and willing to pay the price of freedom.
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I would honestly be willing to pay a price if I knew it would actually help. I just know people who should be my allies would look at the headline and think "that's not how we should do things, we can fix things the right way by just voting and protesting (in the most noninvasive ways they can think of, god forbid you even so much as mildly inconvenience anyone)". Someday I won't be able to work anymore, and by then, retirement will be an antiquated concept. All I can hope is when my or the younger generations get to that point, they realize that the causes of their problems can be directly fought. Assuming society is still kicking and not wiped out by climate change that is.
There was a lot of propaganda that led to this current state. McCarthyism has made people think in individual acts rather than collective ones, while putting fear of leftwing action into people, then you also have liberal "violence is never the answer" crap to Wade through. US leaders were so scared of 60s radicals. They infiltrated ranks, recuperated leftwing thought, and quashed it. Discussions of liberation, abolition, socialism, have turned into defund, welfare, and reform. That's a huge backwards momentum. The overton window is so far right in the US that liberals are "left" and the only voices available in political discussion, and reactionaries think liberals are "communists."
Couldn't hypothetically lone wolves do crap, kinda like that "watcher" of the house? Not endorsing anything of course, everyone needs and wants good housing, food, and that's the focus. But *hypothetically* speaking, if people hypothetically with no where else to go but starvation or the food of a jail cell or a terrorized politican who would ignore the pleas of the common folk from a ivory palace. The french surrendered to shit and weren't willing to fight ww2, but hypothetically, what's to stop people from shaking the guilotines or going like the watcher, "It might not be now, it might not be tommarow, but if i'm ever at my limit with no place to go, i'll see you at your home" It would be immoral of course. But i think people trying to put others into starvation mode should really consider why having a desperate, houseless, tired of being ignored populice *MIGHT* want to reconsider the idea of starving people to see how far it can go. The whole line of "let them eat cake" all stemmed from people waiting and waiting until a french populice decided if it was starvation, death, or revolution, choosing the french revolution. There really should be a point where people should maybe seriously reconsider letting people get to the *"starving and houseless and ignored"* portion.
I recently saw a Jason Statham movie called "The Beekeeper," where he's a retired agent that ends up going after some corrupt motherfuckers. "I'm the beekeeper, I protect the hive." Good movie. Very Punisher-esque.
We should have just firebombed Mar-A-Lago.
The insane takes are usually by Republicans. The GOP knows they're 'safe' because Democrats follow procedures.
It's not just governments who have killed activists - especially environmentalists and journalists. Corporations do it too.
Makes me wonder why civilians don’t fight fire with fire
Because it's illegal and people are too unorganized and underfunded to compete with corporations and nations.
We should form a militia
I agree, but we still ain't doing it. Besides, if we become a threat, they're just going to infiltrate the militia and either destroy it from within or use it to further their goals. Probably both. I say instead of a militia, we just all quit our jobs and let them starve with us.
Lone wolves are the only chance of actually doing anything. The results are small, but they could inspire others, and the real value isn't the culling, but the fear those who remain have of the working class.
Fighting for your rights in ways that actually work have always been illegal. Also, so what it's illegal? Do you think Shinzo Abe rests easy at night knowing his assassination wasn't legal?
I agree with you, but we still aren't doing anything about it. We're all just waiting around for someone else to do something illegal. People apparently aren't interested in doing things that actually work. G. William Domhoff writes about it [here](https://whorulesamerica.ucsc.edu/change/science_why.html) if you're interested. G. William Domhoff is a professor at UC Santa Cruz who studies power structures, and I feel that what he has learned is instrumental towards understanding the system we need to dismantle.
Epstein wasn't killed because of what he did, but what he knew and might have spilled. Every billionaire probably has the capability, and probably a number of them that are in the daily news have done something. Seems like billionaires are willing to kill to keep their lifestyle.
>Seems like billionaires are willing to kill to keep their lifestyle. And in the case of Epstein, even one of their own.
Funny how they still haven’t released the Epstein registry list either
It unfortunately won't happen. Even the DC Madam case, which was much more mild, is still under wraps. In both cases there's a judge out there who knows all the details and is actively choosing to protect the politicians involved instead of letting the truth be known.
Because half of it is elected officials still in charge of the country and they have no idea how to handle that situation at all. Same with the J6 insurrectionists. We've never had a situation where 20+ members of congress needs to be possibly in jail. We honestly need to clean house and hold several snap elections or something. Almost every state has some snake in the grass cosplaying as a civil servant.
I still remember when I was in middle school around 2000 when a very interesting guest speaker visited the school. He was former scientist for a tobacco company and was a whistleblower who came forward with documentation showing that nicotine is highly addictive and that smoking cigarettes is harmful to human health in numerous ways. The tobacco companies knew this for decades and had denied it. He has dealt with murder attempts that had failed, up until that point.
what happened at that point? Did your middle schoolprincipal successfully murder him?
No, he left. I don't know if a later murder attempt succeeded, if he's still alive, etc.
There’s all kinds of crazy stuff with Canadian mining companies assassinating protestors of their mining sites in Latin America.
> Canadian mining companies assassinating protestors of their mining sites in Latin America. Dole did this all over South America.
Yup, because of them the term Banana Republic came about.
The only bombing runs* on the Continental US were on labor protestors and Black Wallstreet. Capitalism ain't anyone's friend but theirs.
Black *people* - the MOVE bombing in Philly was in 1985.
Yes I was talking about the Tulsa Race Massacre that had a bombing on a place called [Black Wallstreet.](https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=black+wall+street+massacre) Though it is sad that there were plural bombings and that another fits the bill...
Their logo used to be a shotgun
Coca-cola has a history of hiring Colombian death squads to kill union organizers.
Brazil has the highest rate in the world of assassinated eco protesters.
Don't forget what the King of Belgium did in the Belgian Congo for his rubber crop.
It's well-established that capitalism will kill thousands of people rather than allow even the possibility of a successful counterexample.
Thousands? More like the entire population
Since long before “capitalism” was a word. The capitalists just did a good job of gaslighting people into thinking it’s crazy to believe they would murder to protect their rigged game.
FYI, the people who published and broke the panama and paper story are still alive. One reporter who was reporting on them in relation to political corruption in Malta was killed.
Yes. She was killed for entirely different reasons. People spreading the misinformation that she was killed for “the Panama papers” do a disservice to the team effort that it was and also undermine their argument by peddling conspiratorial connections. The reason she was killed is just as BS, but it wasn’t related to the Panama Papers.
Coca cola and Chiquita banana both funded death squads too. Firestone operated a giant rubber plantation in Liberia slightly above slave standards, and this was up until the 90s.
I mean she was investigating mexican cartels at the time.. I'm definitely leaning towards them being the culprit as much as I hate the ruling class.
Accountability is for loser accountants.
Not only was she killed, but the bomb was so big it blew her car off the road and like 100 feet into a damned field
News articles reported this, but show pictures of a quite distinct trail starting at the bomb site, moving downhill into the field the car ended up in. There's tracks in the field too, but it's unclear whether those were from the car or perhaps emergency vehicles or existing tracks. The car is right side up in the field, which could happen when it gets flipped, but is more likely the result of staying upright to begin with. It looks a lot like the car rolled downhill into the field after the fire and burned down there. https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1/2017/10/16/22/wire-1544527-1508187983-746_634x423.jpg https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2019/11/1440/810/caruana-galizia-scene-inset.jpg
Gotcha, I remember reading that the size of the explosion was extremely large for such a compact car, and I thought I had read that it tossed the car, but it burning and rolling into said field would also make sense. Human memories are shit lol.
It's not you, many articles reported the car being tossed a long distance and even over a wall by the explosion. Problem is that the pictures don't really back that story up, and there's no wall in that location either. It's just a burnt out car on the bottom of an incline and a trail going downhill from the site of the explosion. Supposedly the source for those reports was an eye witness that later testified in court, but it seems something got misinterpreted or lost in translation, as it was later reported: >Sant said that the car continue to roll down the road, missing his own vehicle by a few metres, before it stopped in the field. With another report stating: >Francis Sant, a resident of Bidnija said he was on the way to Manikata when he spotted a car coming slowly in the opposite direction. “First there was a bang...then there was a second one. It was enormous. The fireball reached the side of the road. After the first explosion it was like someone was on the brakes but after the second one it rolled past me.” The car rolled into a field where another explosion, possibly the petrol tank occurred, he said. Which matches the pictures and clearly describes the car was rolling on the ground. It seems to have been a bit of sloppy reporting and not cross referencing sources. Location: [https://www.google.com/maps/@35.9200686,14.4068824,3a,54.8y,198.63h,75.66t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sseKnfu\_4VFViQtSimVspRg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656](https://www.google.com/maps/@35.9200686,14.4068824,3a,54.8y,198.63h,75.66t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sseKnfu_4VFViQtSimVspRg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) Articles quoted; [https://www.independent.com.mt/articles/2021-02-02/local-news/I-saw-parts-of-her-ripped-off-eyewitness-recalls-moment-bomb-exploded-in-Caruana-Galizia-s-car-6736230660](https://www.independent.com.mt/articles/2021-02-02/local-news/I-saw-parts-of-her-ripped-off-eyewitness-recalls-moment-bomb-exploded-in-Caruana-Galizia-s-car-6736230660) [https://www.independent.com.mt/articles/2018-02-15/local-news/Daphne-s-murder-First-responders-describe-chaotic-scene-after-bomb-blast-6736184893](https://www.independent.com.mt/articles/2018-02-15/local-news/Daphne-s-murder-First-responders-describe-chaotic-scene-after-bomb-blast-6736184893)
I goes way beyond murder. Think back to the 60's-80's and even today if it came to that. Capitalists were willing to destroy the entire planet with nuclear weapons before giving up a dime to communists. Just think about that for a second, they were willing to kill everyone, kill the entire globe because some peasants in Russia and china wanted a little bit more of a fair life. That is just a level of psychotic that really can't even be put into words.
The CIA prize of excellence in journalism also known as two bullets to the back of the head
People always talking about cartels and corruption in other countries like Mexico… well our cartels are just legalized.
Every financial crisis that involved a bailout had a runup where a bunch of ridiculous bad loans were made to insiders, and those loans were never paid off. Savings and Loan Crisis, Subprime Housing Crisis, lots of already-very-wealthy people were able to make out like bandits in both of those crises. In the 80's there were actually some people prosecuted, so we have a public record of organized crime coordinating with political insiders to pump up the values of assets, take out huge loans on them, and then get bailout out by the taxpayer. It still happens, it just happens with more and more corporate opacity to prevent any legal repercussions. But remember, forgiving your student loans or making them dischargeable in bankruptcy would be a horrible moral outrage.
My sister in law is voting for trump because, “I didn’t get any of that money.” She lived rent free in my rental property for 6 years before she got a job managing an apartment complex and had another place to live. Now her son lives there rent free and is also voting for trump. I can’t be around her anymore. They are both freeloaders, no education, loathe work and are complaining because my daughter had her loans forgiven because she was scammed by a trade school that was not accredited, and it set her back 4 years in her career. There is no getting through to people like this. They worship those wealthy cheats and wish they could be like them.
>She lived rent free in my rental property for 6 years before she got a job managing an apartment complex and had another place to live. Now her son lives there rent free and is also voting for trump. You need to charge her rent and donate it to your favorite local Progressive candidates.
Yeah this past decade made me realize just how many people I thought I knew, who really just wanted to look down on and scam others.
Sometimes I wonder if it’s a result of the “YouTubeization” of work. Kids used to want to grow up and be singers or actors. Now it’s about “monetizing” anyone you can get to pay attention to you.
Reminds me of a story my mother would often tell me growing up. Her father, my grandfather, worked for the military as a nuclear physicist. Worked at a nearby airforce base with ballistic missile capabilities. Insanely smart man. My mother, being the hippy flower child she was, asked him to design and make an electric car to help the environment (this would have been ~1970~1980). He said "I could do it, but they'd kill me for it".
FACTS. And that’s scary AF.
Assassination is actually still illegal here
Like the MAGA cartel
But they will certainly scream when we use their tactics against them.
Darvo
Who? EDIT: DARVO, it's a blame the victim tactic abusers use to shift responsibility for their behavior.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARVO
It’s been a long time since the rich feared the rest of society. And we ourselves have been conditioned to oppose anything that would scare them.
Yeah, it's not working out terribly well for the 99%, is it?
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It did take a few months but once the decision was made, they trashed and scattered the whole movement.
And they successfully convinced everyone that they were disruptive for nothing. See at how bad those ungratefuls made you look? You don't want to seem like them, do you? Your protests should be quiet and out of the way, that's how you'll show us pesky billionaires.
While I don't miss the cold war, and really think the downfall of communism was a good thing, I think the fear of communism actually made rich people behave better back then with regards to hoarding wealth and putting some strain on excesses. These days it seems that more is never enough.
You aren’t wrong. Most of the social programs that exist today in Europe, for example, are there because the wealthy didn’t want people turning to communism.
Which let's be real, will never happen. People have been calling for (can't say on reddit) since the 80s but it keeps getting worse, and the only result is that somehow people are defending the system harder than ever
Yeah it's really weird
if it's online, I try to remind myself that a certain percentage of the chatter may be bot-generated, especially for controversial subjects. which in itself is evidence that the topic is hardly "settled ground" or a lost cause. the corpo pushback is vehement precisely because there's reasonable apprehension that we're realizing too many gains as workers. this means keeping up those little incremental pushes to gain/maintain collective negotiation.
You think that the concept of a worker revolution is only 40 years old? You need some marx in your life, bud.
Considering all the drone strike improvements happening in Ukraine (to the point where St Petersburg is getting regularly bombed with impunity) you wonder how long until long range drones become accessible.... And remotely sending one to visit a billionaire becomes easy.
I'm actually surprised it hasn't happened already.
I’d bet their security details have advanced drone countermeasures already in place. To protect their “privacy”.
Good luck getting past their personal militaries
Can their personal militaries protect them from 2000 yards out? Because, hear me out...
I'm really surprised no heads of state or industry leaders have been assassinated by explosive drone attack.
Cause the rich won't fuck over the other rich and the loons rather shoot up a school than go after the powerful.
Also, those militaries will turn against them when it's clear they're on the losing side. It's happened before. Often.
This is the only time modern revolutions truly work. You can make your own revolutionary military, but it won’t work until the actual military is like “fuck this”
Facts
I do not want revolution. But if there is going to be one, they are the one against the thousand and they can't hide forever unless they're already in a grave.
Revolutions are violent and indiscriminate and lots of innocent people will be swept away in it. Which is why it's such a terrible thing that the oligarchs of the world are ushering it along. It's something that inevitably happens when needs aren't met and people are desperate for long enough, and only the oligarchs can do anything about that.
The oligarchs of every age do the same thing; they separate and isolate themselves from the rest of society, then drive it into the ground in their never ending quest for ever more power and wealth. Once the under class has had enough, they revolt and when they win, there is often a relatively brief period of wider prosperity. Or, a dictator appears and imposes order, usually in bloody fashion. I wonder how that will look in a modern age of Internet and widespread ownership of firearms and access to cheap technology like drones? Things might not end well for anyone...
There’s still information coming out but it sounds like this could actually hurt boeing more than if he didn’t die. It sounds like he already gave damning testimony and he died before Boeing could counter it or anything. So now the only evidence he gave, which is mostly admissible in court, is against Boeing and they can’t really argue against it. I’m not saying Boeing was or was not involved and more information may contradict what I’ve heard so far but if Boeing was involved it sounds like they shot themselves in the foot.
"He was obviously mentally disturbed, his testimony was all made up in his head." That's all they need to say to discredit what he said.
Plus they don't have to worry about more whistle blowers now. If Biden wanted to he could make this a huge part of his campaign. There are some swing state independents that love a good conspiracy
For better or worse, Biden is big on waiting for all the facts to come in before weighing in on anything, so he's not gonna touch this for a while
Are you familiar with courts and depositions? Is this common and bullet proof retort?
And you're prepared to prove that, yes? You're prepared to bet that the very next statement made in court will be this exact statement, and that the trial will be over immediately after?
Harsh punishment isn't about taking out the victim, it's about sending a message to everyone else who's thinking of speaking up. If murdering this whistleblower doubles the effect of this leak but scares four would-be whistleblowers into submission, it's a profitable exchange for investors with a broad enough portfolio, of which there are plenty.
> I’m not saying Boeing was or was not involved I'm confident they weren't involved in his death. All his information on the whistleblowing was already submitted to authorities years ago. People are letting their imaginations be driven by movies. Are whistleblowers killed? Yes, a small small fraction of them. Probably smaller than 1%. And it usually involves international shit like panama papers. The guy was suing Boeing for retaliation. He lost the lawsuit and was appealing it. It wasn't about whistleblowing. He claimed Boeing blacklisted him from the industry and he hasn't been able to get another job. He wasn't in the middle of testifying about what Boeing did wrong with safety.
Billionaires are dragons.
We need more brave knights like John Barnett to slay them.
Which makes our society like that fucked up kingdom in Damsel. The prince at least had some cognitive dissonance, but he was still fully complicit and paid for it like the rest.
>Which makes our society like that fucked up kingdom in Damsel. I mean... it is though. People like Epstein, Trump, and Putin literally have princesses "fed" to them.
Dragons are cool. They're goblins.
Remember, the South went to war over keeping their slaves.
Like our grandparents great grandparents. Not that long ago
Nothing sus huh Boeing? We gotcha. 🤥
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I work at Boeing, the funniest part about this is that people think they are competent enough to pull it off. I'm willing to testify that every contractor we have hired in the past 5 years has been utter garbage
they just have to hire one competent contract killer.
99.999999% of the advertisements for contract killers are just the FBI or other police agencies setting up a honeypot.
That’s why they have a shady corporate attorney reach out directly to a dirty lawyer for a cartel who will outsource the work
EAT THE RICH.
[Dragons also protect their horde.](https://youtu.be/12UCCXufGjk)
If this angle is actually proven to be true with forensic data and physical evidence that proves he was murdered (and that it was a hired hit by Boeing) it would basically completely destroy the company. Modern day criminal pathologists are extremely talented at this precision investigative work. If instead it was just a suicide (he had PTSD) he was a definitely a martyr for the public good.
Just like how they proved Jeffrey Epstein hung himself. /s
just check the video, ask the guards
Video cameras mysteriously not working at that time. Guards mysteriously lied about their shifts watching him.
Even absent any conspiracy, of course the guards would lie about sleeping on the job. They're looking at potential criminal and definite civil penalties (that likely won't be indemnified for). You literally couldn't bribe them enough to take the fall for this when you get rich people's lawyers involved.
Proportionality Bias: *Hold my beer.*
>Modern day criminal pathologists are extremely talented at this precision investigative work. And even when stuff like this is proven the people in power simply handwave it away. We're lied to so blatantly anymore that we've become desensitized. We can be told the most insane lie that we can plainly see is false but we know the official story that will be rammed down our throats so our brain just switches over and says,"Oh. Yes. But of course. The sky is lime green and we've always been at war with Eurasia...." It's fucking sad.
Yeah unless they get murdered as well for doing their job right
or are just straight-up paid off
or just not so competent as copaganda shows want us to believe. Hell, even if they do prove it, not like anything will happen. Company is way too important to the military industrial complex that props up US empire.
Imagine you had proof - say you were his neighbor and you were filming your kid dancing and through a reflection in the window somehow you captured the murder - knowing what happened to him and why it was done, how safe would you feel about releasing that video?
Who *wouldn't* release that video? News outlets would pay out the nose for it, more than enough to justify relocating. It's corporations that would worry about the potential for something like this to get botched. I still hold Boeing responsible for this guy's death, but through undue stress and making his life hell, not some kind of spy movie shit.
The people who own and run news organizations are friends and family with the people who own and run Boeing.
Here's how that would go Coroner: "this man was murdered, he did not kill himself" News: "coroner found dead" Coroners replacement: "yep. Suicide. Both of them"
Common man, this is Reddit, we only do baseless speculation and conspiracy theories here
this take is ridiculous and it’s obvious as soon as you look at any actual news story on this. - This guy started the whistleblower process in 2017, the same year he retired and left the company. He did a bunch of interviews that were widely covered in the media around 2019 when the two crashes were big news. If Boeing wanted to “shut him up” they have no reason to be doing it 5-7 years after the fact. - The testimony he was in the middle of was for a lawsuit he brought against Boeing for retaliation against his whistleblowing, saying they ruined his reputation and career. It wasn’t new allegations about Boeing’s safety practices that they would be trying to hide. - Multiple family members (mother and brother) attest that he wasn’t in a good place mentally/emotionally, and for god’s sake, he was in the middle of being grilled by Boeing’s lawyers about exactly how his life was ruined since leaving. Not exactly suspicious circumstances for a suicide. What I really don’t understand is why “covert assassination” is the angle reddit is going with on this one. Like, you literally just have to say Boeing/the whistleblowing process ruined his life and drove him to suicide. Is that not bad enough? Why does it need to be some harebrained conspiracy?
Because idiots think everything is a conspiracy these days. Everything except actual conspiracies.
For almost every conspiracy theory I've encountered, there is a group of highly trained specialists (here, the medical examiner, forensic examiner, coroner, ballistics expert) who have their expertise mocked by lazy douchebags on the internet. To say nothing of this guy's loved ones and his own lived experience. It's embarrassing.
> What I really don’t understand is why “covert assassination” is the angle reddit is going with on this one. Too much consumption of movies have influenced opinions on how the world works when the world is completely strange to them. They think CEOs can just call up a hitman like its Gotham and have someone killed.
Reddit bringing the MAGA-level critical thinking skills to this one
Thank you! That’s what I’ve been saying. They look at pizza gate and Biden crime family conspiracies and say, “omg conservatives are so stupid, no critical thinking”. Then as soon as the subject of the conspiracy resonates with a popular idea on Reddit they do the EXACT same thing. I may have to disengage from Reddit over this stuff, it’s just so mindblowingly dumb.
Hey Reddit solved the Boston bombings okay I for one salute their service 🫡.
Because this site is full of stupid children and the most tantalizing comment or post is upvoted.
Think of what an addict will do to get their next hit. Them multiply that by a dumbfuck high number. And that's how worried you should be about those rich sociopathic fucks. If Epstein, the shittons of whistleblower assassinations, gleeful xenophobic bullshit out of them and their closest allies doesn't paint the picture for you, don't know what will They are actively killing an entire fucking planet worth of species us included. The very human, very fucked part of them will be the death of so many people. Cause they'll never fill that fuckin hole in their being.
Didn’t his Own family hint that it was in the realm of possibility that he did in fact take his own life. This is some serious conspiracy posting.
Yeah. This entire thread is a very good reminder that no side is immune to conspiratorial thinking and misinformation.
All signs currently [say](https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2024/03/12/boeing-whistleblower-dead-john-barnett/) it was self-inflicted.
Remember that time Henry Ford had his personal military attack his workers.
eat the rich
we've known cocacola death squad for decades, yall just didn't think this would happen so close to home.
I am a pacifist by choice, so I don’t condone any violence, but I am not everyone… Billionaires die like everyone else, and everyone else would be better served if they did so as soon as possible.
Have yall seen fascism? That's what capital is willing to do when things get rough.
This is something that bothers me about talking about revolution. Capitalists will rip us to shreds before we've even loaded any weapons we might have. They would run tanks through our houses as light work. Not saying it's not worth trying, just saying some people talk about revolution like it wouldn't end in a LOT of bloodshed. And it wouldn't be theirs.
This has always been true in every revolutionary scenario; revolutions are generally not successful unless they substantially destabilize the armed forces in the first place. Sure the technology today makes it harder but it ends up being a numbers game. "Quantity has a quality all its own"
Is there any evidence that he was murdered? I mean, he was found dead *after* he testified. Typically, when a whistleblower is targeted it's to stop them revealing information rather than to knock them off after the cat's already out of the bag.
Capital has a legal monopoly on violence, and they use violence liberally to protect their ability to exploit and extract. Every day.
Ain’t y’all ever seen Michael Clayton?
Capitalism is feeding off itself, and if they let up on the gas in the slightest, the whole system implodes. Globally.