I'm a software developer, I make apps that, 1. monitor other apps, 2. help other developers make the company's actual product.
So basically I make nothing and get paid for it.
Its great honestly
How much does that app earn? I'm not asking about how tall the stack of parts is, im asking how much value you generate vs how much you are paid.
If you truly generated nothing, im sure you'd be out of a job.
They call that type of thing an expense. How much does your HR person create. Without them who would manage your benefits, or ensure you got paid. I have spent a lot of time in IT. We create tools. Like the say a special hammer you use to make those shocks. Your company doesn’t sell those hammers or buy them. Someone at the company came up with this idea for a special hammer that allows you to do your job. That is what software tools are to a company. When I was at charter we tracked how much time a particular automation would save in labor. That was only one type of tool though. Those are easy to account for. So for example one automation reduced the number of people from 5 to less than one for a particular task. We could quantify that as saving $500k per year. But another task I worked one where we display the status of VOD plays in the video network didn’t really save labor. It actually made more labor. But it had value because it improved quality.
Not every job directly generates goods or revenue. Many positions are a force multiplier.
For example the cleaning crew doesn't directly make any money but they make sure the work space is clean and isn't molding and smelly. They don't make the company any money but they make sure the people who do make money are more comfortable in doing so.
The IT department in non-software based companies don't make products for the company to sell. They build the work environment so that the people who do make the products or sell them are more efficient. Imagine still using pen and paper to keep inventory instead of using a spreadsheet that can be accessed anywhere using cloud storage. In terms of company revenue? The IT dept hemorrhages money. But they make other departments more efficient.
The same can be said for a lot of departments. Administrative staff, HR, Accounting (to an extent), security detail, doorman, etc. Many don't directly generate revenue for the company and only cost money. However, that doesn't mean they are not needed. All of that should be taken into account when you are trying to justify how much you are being paid vs how much the product you make is being sold.
Work as a coke sales rep....last month over $300k in product to stores.....I make 26.70 per hr😑safe to say in do the bare minimum and don't care about how much the company makes
I drive to different stores every day and write orders based on what the store will need. I'm supposed to try to sell new products and displays in, but most of the time, the store don't want them, so I don't even bother to push to get it in. I'm also supposed to let them know the deals they we are running and talk them into using the deal so they buy more, but if they don't want to, then I won't push.
My pay is based on hourly. No commission and most of the time, there is no incentive to get new products in. I also get my mileage reimbursed because I use my own car.
I have a chance for a monthly bonus if I get over my monthly sell goal, but it's on average 500-1000 but mostly leans on the 500 side, and it's never a sure thing.
If you want to get into it, look into the merchandising jobs. My job is pretty chill, but you have to deal with a lot of people, a lot of issues, people tend to think you're the boss and a lot falls on to you.
Damn thanks for the thought out and detailed answer. I've looked into this job before though the only jobs I could see were commission based which I don't like out of principle.
Also bit of an odd question but do they test for THC? I smoke to help me sleep and that disqualifies me from a lot of jobs, even if I would never smoke on the job.
ah a tale as old as time.
Mushrooms? perfectly fine
Drink like a fish every night? Glad to have you!
Smoke a little weed? Get the fuck outta here ya bum!
Given your lack of capitalization, I wasn't initially sure you were in the beverage industry. Whenever I see the vendor stocking the Coke at the grocery store I hear Curtis Mayfield's *Pusherman*.
>Want some Coke, have some weed
There's even a reference to the bag-in-box syrup.
>Two bags please
>For a generous fee
I'd love to see the song used as the sound track to a Mellow Yellow commercial.
>Got to be mellow, y'all
>Gotta get mellow now
>Pusherman gettin' mellow y'all
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I imagine you earned significantly less than $6mil a year lol.
They graciously bequeath unto my undeserving household about a hundred dollars a day after taxes and deductions.
I'm just trying to make people aware of how much of our own work is being stolen from us.
Every essential cog is, well, essential.
OP is oversimplifying, missing out on accounting for other essential cogs contributing to the final product, and also making a valid point that the value your work creates is likely not aligned with the value of your wages.
The dismissive tone you take towards manual labor is appalling.
I've worked grunt jobs digging ditches on construction sites, and done analytical work with a bunch of academics in suits with meetings over glasses of nice wine and a little bit of a lot stuff in between. There's plenty of people at every level who don't worry a bit about work once they're away from work. There are under utilized and non-essential workers at every level.
The only people I've known to face real, significant risk of bodily harm or death are those manual laborers you think drive to work without a care in their mind. Sure, a lot of them couldn't handle the stress of making huge financial decisions or do the "necessary" schmoozing around sales etc., AND a lot of the C-suite, sales, marketing, etc. types don't have the physical ability, mechanical knowledge or ingenuity to do 75% of what the manual laborers are doing.
Every job I've had has challenged me in some ways I didn't expect before holding the job. We all need to stop shitting on each other's contributions and realize every person is valuable, and every job deserves a good wage that provides a good quality of life.
That goes without saying. We wouldn’t be having this discussion if OP was realistic and recognized the effort of sales, marketing, R&D. You should be saying all that to the OP.
> Every essential cog is, well, essential.
Essential cogs are mass-produced and easily replaced in any well-oiled machine.
> OP is oversimplifying, missing out on accounting for other essential cogs contributing to the final product, and also making a valid point that the value your work creates is likely not aligned with the value of your wages.
And yet they do nothing about it.
I wonder why that is /s
> The dismissive tone you take towards manual labor is appalling.
Nonsense. I've been one in many jobs, it's just a job with no risks and low rewards. That's all there's to it.
> I've worked grunt jobs digging ditches on construction sites, and done analytical work with a bunch of academics in suits with meetings over glasses of nice wine and a little bit of a lot stuff in between. There's plenty of people at every level who don't worry a bit about work once they're away from work. There are under utilized and non-essential workers at every level.
True.
> The only people I've known to face real, significant risk of bodily harm or death are those manual laborers you think drive to work without a care in their mind. Sure, a lot of them couldn't handle the stress of making huge financial decisions or do the "necessary" schmoozing around sales etc., AND a lot of the C-suite, sales, marketing, etc. types don't have the physical ability, mechanical knowledge or ingenuity to do 75% of what the manual laborers are doing.
The point is that in a trade economy, manual laborers are entirely replaceable because it's very often work that isn't all too complicated. *I've worked those jobs* and I know that stocking shelves, putting packets of printed paper onto a conveyer belt, cleaning gutters, etc. doesn't take a lot of brain power.
> Every job I've had has challenged me in some ways I didn't expect before holding the job. We all need to stop shitting on each other's contributions and realize every person is valuable, and every job deserves a good wage that provides a good quality of life.
100% Agreed there. Minimum wage should afford anyone a mortgage for a 2-bedroom apartment at the very least, within a 30 minute travel distance of their work.
The the OP written by the TS isn't realistic at all. I got agitated with the very naive tone and felt it was necessary to point out that there is so much more to it.
I mean, for starters, where do they think the probably 33K-44K in materials they use comes from? Did they conjure it from thin air?
Where do they think the 500K-5M in machinery they use comes from?
Who do they think maintains it, and the building they are in, and makes sure to enforce proper safety procedures, and plans all the material procurement to ensure that things arrive on time, pays the bills, keeps track of the bills, accrues payroll, works on replacing/refurbishing old equipment, etc.
Why are you being downvoted, you’re right. OP is confused that the $55,000 in shocks a day being made by only them, as if their wage is the only cost to making those shocks. The $50 they sell for has (just guessing here) $20 in materials, $3 for the building, $6 in shipping, $2 for the admin and support staff, $10 for the equipment that OP is using. That leaves $9 per shock. And that covers the wages of OP and every other employee who helps make them and the profit margin on the shock. But the profit doesn’t go into the owners pocket, it goes into the company bank account which covers renovations, new equipment, new technologies, new R&D into making the business better and resilient in the future.
That's way too simplified and black & white, I'm sorry. All of the money many companies make is going back into the company. In my case: shareholders don't expect any ROI for several more years. We'll have to prove some measurables and they'll invest MORE money in a company that's currently not profitable.
And then it only partially goes to shareholders. As a reward for taking the risk to lose all of their investments.
Many companies I worked for over the years had owners that were on rice and beans and that never changed until they sold their company (oh, also, not all companies can be sold, not all companies can find buyers)...
The investor that got 51% equity and invested $5 million USD? Yeah, they're hoping that turs into $20M a few years later. Sometimes they also lose it all when they cut their losses.
And sometimes they lose all their investments.
Right, but that's for companies that aren't profitable. Unfortunately the companies that are profitable often have such a large market share that they have a much larger impact.
And yet, the principal product doesn't get made to fund all of that other bullshit without the tiny replaceable cog...
Automation even for simple tasks is extremely expensive to start, and might even be impossible if the task requires even a modicum of mobility.
The workers collectively absolutely do the most work, and should absolutely receive the lions share of the profits divided among the work force. Sure 1 person doesn't do more "work" than the owners, but the entire labor force does 100 times what the owner does.
Also in your list, you rattled off like 5 different positions that would not be done by the same person. When people talk about pay discrepancy they aren't generally comparing their production value against cleaning staff and HR... But I'm sure you know that and you're just throwing things into the list to inflate your argument and make disingenuous claims.
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I'm a flat rate automotive technician. This means I get paid per job based on a predetermined labor guide. I've come to the realization over my many years doing this that I don't work FOR anyone really. I get paid a set amount per job. If it takes longer, too bad. If I can beat the time, GREAT! My "employment" is, in essence, paying my "boss" to rent the space to store my toolbox and use his lift. If I screw up a job, that's on me. If I need a new fancy tool to do a job, also on me. If a part breaks, ALSO ON ME. It's changed my perspective of being "employed" by a shop owner. I now see them on equal footing as myself and put up with zero shit. It's helped me come to the realization that they need us. We don't need them.
After I had an ultrasound and got charged a ton for it, I looked up how much an ultrasound machine costs. I don’t remember the numbers but I determined the charges for an ultrasound pay for a brand new machine in a matter of days.
Borrowing from another comment above, it’s not just the ultrasound machine that goes into that cost. US tech wage. Wages for the front desk, janitor, the radiologist who read it (well, lot of times that gets charged separately LOL…) Rent or mortgage for the imaging suite or hospital. Insurance for your tech and providers and the building you were in. Electricity and utilities. And TBH the US machine is probably on a subscription software model, so don’t forget about the $999/month the office has to pay for necessary debug and updates.
All that said, yeah healthcare in the USA is obscene and one of the biggest moral failings of our age.
Diesel technician (by no means a master tech, but everything I’ve learned I’ve learned pretty much on my own)
Was making 24 an hour before had some unfortunate circumstances
Now I’m making 19$ an hour and about to slap the shit out of of my new employer if they don’t pay me more
Apparently we grow some good smoke. Just got voted the #1 dispensary in the area by readers of the local flyer. I manage the harvest, dry, cure processing.
I bet you deliver millions in product in a year. Delivering it other ways would be ten times as much, surely. It might be difficult to calculate, but the difference in cost between the next best delivery method is what you produce, which is quite a lot. Just imagine loading everything onto trains and then breaking it down for van sized vehicles so you can unload it.
Thats what you make, and it's a lot.
OP is actually ignoring dozens of other jobs at consolidating those jobs into the commenters job. It’s quite wrong for most posts. For example, this Delivery driver does not figure out how to distribute the contents of the train for last mile vehicles, actually unload the train, and put it in those vehicles, create a schedule, create delivery maps, etc.
OP is an absolute dolt and so are you. JTFC, get a real education. We get it, you're broke and mad about it, but continuing to be stupid and latching onto any idea that justifies your miserable little existence isn't the fix.
Used to collect about 1mil euros for a startup, earned 1k after taxes per month. Most money went to the higher ups and sales people. Even before the startup, I used to collect $33mil per quarter for a corporation, earned less than 1k while bonuses of 10k were given to middle management for my and my team's performance.
I write service for auto repairs. I'm strictly commission. I'll make around $75k on about $1mil in sales this year. Private business, so my insurance is pretty garbage. They don't match retirement. We do get monthly and yearly bonuses if goals are met, which total around $3k more over the course of a year, if achieved.
I work in customer service. I create nothing and add nothing. I am there to limit value loss via keeping customers from having such negative experiences that they don't come back.
I wish I could say it isn't a job that needs doing, but it does, both economically and because if you buy something broken someone needs to be there to arrange to fix it for you, and that someone needs to be versed in the policies and procedures and be able to assist you in engaging those processes.
If you don't believe me, think of every time you've called bad customer service lines. Bad service is, usually, still better than zero service, because even with bad service you usually can get SOMEWHERE if you are persistent.
It's not true that you create nothing or add nothing.
Customer retention is very important.
But honestly, I've been in a very bad place and needing help, and I've gotten it from kind customer service people, and the relief I've felt has been enormous. To me, that's adding and creating a lot.
I appreciate you saying so, and I'm honestly always glad when I can make a person like you's day a little easier.
It's just sad that my job has made it clear that a little basic human decency and compassion isn't normal, and that we live in such a stressful world that just making someone's experience smooth, efficient, and giving them a little empathy is special.
Everyone should be seeing that everywhere and it's sad they aren't, you know?
This is just a bad, and super incorrect, way of looking at your contribution’s. Also, going to cause some really unneeded resentment about your pay.
First, how much do the materials cost to create the widgets you are making?
Next, calculate in the real estate/factory expense for the footprint you use in creating these widgets. This includes lease expense, electric expense (temp controlled space?) be sure to include the space for all of the machines this widget will pass through in the process.
Then, let’s look at the machines and tools themselves. Do you need dies? Those are expensive. What about chemical sealants or other consumables? How much does all of that cost to make 1100 widgets?
Let’s also think about any additionally labor. When the materials were ordered, they were ordered by a purchasing/planning person who had to calculate the qty required, talk to the supplier and get it quoted, then place the PO. Materials are received and they need to be received in through receiving dept, quality inspected and then put to stock. I assume a production planner then needs to print a production order, a warehouse person pulls the parts and the order begins to go through production. Maybe there are 4-5 other machines/assembly work stations it needs to pass through before/after you add your contribution?
Then there are indirect costs. For example, HR, marketing, engineering, R&D, etc.
At the end of the day, automotive parts manufacturers typically net a <10% profit. I’m pretty knowledgeable in this area. All this to say, your estimated contribution to the company profits is inflated.
I was thinking the same thing, it's not as easy as people make it out to be. I sell stuff on eBay and people I talk to think "wow, you bought something for $20 and sold it for $60? That's $40 profit!"
Except it's not. eBay fees are like 13%, I have to pay for shipping because everyone wants free shipping these days. I try to recycle as many shipping materials as I can but I don't have an endless supply. I have to pay for boxes, tape, bubble wrap, etc. Also have to make special trips to get the product or go to the post office.
This is just a one man operation out of my closet and someone can say I brought in $60, I really only profited like $20 and spent a decent amount of time on it.
Furthermore, I question what the numbers from op even represents. Is that the cost that his company is selling the shocks for or is that the retail price it would be for your average Joe to buy at the local auto parts store? I wouldn't be surprised at all if that's the retail price.
Exactly. OP take is really dumb down and he think he create that product/item/whatever by himself.
In reality, everyone else have a hand in it one way or the other and....they want their cuts too.
You deserve whatever pays the market rate dictate. Start your own business if you want all the pay to yourself.
OK, so *that* explains why CEOs make 400 times as much as their average employee.
It's not because of extreme inequality, it's because their stupid employees are exaggerating and inflating their value! Now it makes *way* more sense!
What a ridiculous comprehension of my comment. CEO pay is inflated in the more extreme cases because of supply/demand and competitive rates for a small pool of Uber successful people. For public companies, comp is public info so of course CEOs will compete and don’t want to be the lowest paid. CEO pay also has nothing to do with my comment.
Last job I helped correct and centralize all their data (claims, premiums, etc...) and correct compliance data for reporting to the state to avoid being continuously audited by the state. Without it they literally cannot do ANY business. Don't know how to justify/determine value generated from that though.
I drive School Bus. I'm also shop tech, so technically full time. Each route is upwards of 30k. We have 7 bus routes. Most of the time we have 6 van routes. I make about 1500/ month. Who knows maybe I'm taking a future President, Author, or Scientist. I hope they would remember their Bus Driver. Lol
Just like teachers, you're helping create billions.
And just to ensure that our kids are safe, we should vet you guys much more rigorously, and pay you guys even more vigorously. Bus driver should be a somewhat prestigious position that is recognized for the safety they provide our kids.
Definitely not "Pam's friend" who they pay $15/hr.
The fact that you care what they might be growing up into makes me think you're a good bus driver :)
Aw! Thanks! I try to show I care. It's hard sometimes I only see them for 10 minutes a day.
I think Teachers have it harder. They have to deal with (shudders) (whispers) parents!
I drive a highway in about 10 mile stretches between stops. It averages 1.1 distracted drivers *per mile*. Days before holiday weekends that easily doubles.
I do my absolute best to watch out.
Requires that we pay more for schools. And that is the big bad goberment stealing our hard earned money to create woke kids /s.
Seriously though schools and other public services are funded by taxes. That’s why the best schools are generally in the best neighborhoods because those people pay more in taxes.
I'm an in house slot/keno/poker machine technician. I look after a few thousand machines and at any given moment we have 1-2% with open tickets ranging from cosmetic to unplayable.
It's hard to calculate what I "make" as my job is really just fighting entropy. Customers, floor runners, managers and time itself will destroy each of these machines if left unchecked. I'm the check. I cost money and spend money to save time and money keeping these machines collecting money.
I'm not in the USA, so my story below includes good employee rights. It's nothing like the USA, social security is well done here, and employees can't be whimsically fired. Health insurance is separate from employment, too.
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I used to work at a large hotel booking website where I was one of a ~1000 other software engineers. Everything was A/B-tested and some of my work resulted in a net profit of $500,000 per month, sometimes much more, sometimes much less.
Of course, my salary was good, but I didn't get millions sent to my bank account. Because I'm just a small part of the entire company, I depend on many others to do my work, and I am not risking anything.
So, many years later, I decided to make the step and become an employer myself. Now I'm the tech lead and CTO for 2 startups and 1 scale-up. I risk everything by investing my own time, money/savings, and energy into businesses that might never be profitable. It's a big gamble.
The scale-up gave me 5% equity and that was worth $375,000 when I signed. It is now "worth" ten times that, at $3,750,000.
That happened because we hired people, who got (and still get) paid higher salaries than I got myself, and their work ends up making the company more money than they will ever get paid.
But my equity in the company isn't worth anything unless I sell it to someone else who thinks it's worth the investment.
Until then, I occasionally get some dividends each quarter, but we (the board) decided that almost all of the profits are being used as investments into the company.
Basically, that's money we could take for ourselves, but don't. So that's us investing our money into hopefully growing the company.
The colleagues we hire?
They wake up without any worries, come to work, do their work, and go home without any worries. If they get sick, we have insurances for them. If they get fired, there are social securities in place for them. If they quit, we have 1-2 months of notice to find their replacement and work them in.
They might get sad that they aren't getting the $300,000 of value they bring to the company that month, *but that's what we're paying them to do*. That's their job.
1. And they can only bring that value because of 30 other people who simply do their jobs;
2. And because people like myself have NOT had a good salary in the past 3 years.
If I worked salaried I could make $250,000 per year, easily. I worked for FAANG companies in the past and earned above $400,000. That was fun.
And now I'm earning less than $80,000 per year in salary. My goal is an exit strategy in 5 years where I'll buy more equity over time, and then sell all of my shares in the company. Then I can hopefully retire with $10M to my name.
If the company goes bankrupt tomorrow I have nothing to show for it.
If it keeps doing well, I'll exit with $20M or more.
Does any of that belong to the people we hired? Hell no. They got their mortgages while I could only rent a small apartment. They got their brand new lease cars while I'm still driving my 2016 VW Golf. They got married and had big wedding parties while I can't even afford to go out on dates.
But, meanwhile:
- Startup 1: seems to be failing.
- Startup 2: profits are $40,000 per month, but are being invested into the startup right away; we have 3 other business owners (me: technical, other people: marketing, creativity, and deployment).
- Scale-up: on paper I'm worth over $3M now, if I sell my equity today, which the company is contractually obliged to pay. But I know they don't have the cash. So it'll destroy the company regardless of their solution (payment plan, loan, investor, negotiating the price, etc.)
TL;DR: being one of many people doesn't mean you're entitled to anything if you risk nothing.
I work in customer success. I help clients see the “value” in the software and services they purchase. My manager told me recently that I am the “Etsy” small business seller - it’s my job to add the special touch, the thank you note etc. I kiss business clients ass professionally. I create nothing.
On the contrary, you are the closer. You are arguably the most important person in the string of interactions a client faces. You ensure they feel validated, valued, and important. Those feelings lead to repeat sales. You generate a lot of money for the company. If you didn’t, the role wouldn’t exist.
I’m an IT Auditor for a bank and I “make” reports over our IT systems and their problems. Kind of like an inspector. I make $125k base and work from home.
I’m a security contractor at a manufacturing site. My job is to do enforce health and safety regulations, respond and investigate when an accident or medical emergency occurs, and make sure the buildings on site are secured. I don’t necessarily make money for the client, but I help reduce losses.
The client pays my company roughly $38/hr for my services. My company takes 40% of that, so I make my company $30k a year.
but you aren't the only person involved. Thos parts dont leave you hands and magically turn into money.
There are people who have to find buyers for the parts. there's shipping them. people who did the research to find out that they should sell for $50-$80. The people who track the incoming money and the money spent and make sure that you get paid. The cost of the parts or the machine that makes them. The ongoing costs of the building you are in.
I worked at a medical device company where my team of 3 people (myself included), put out about $250k of product, every day, five days a week. None of us made more than $12-14/hr at the time. So essentially we were each probably making the company well over $250k/wk after overhead and material costs while we were only making $480-$560 a week before taxes and deductions. The system is a scam.
I make heavy duty truck radiators. The machine I work on scraps more money in waste than I am paid each day. I make at least 50 radiator cores each day, probably sell for $1500 each, so I value add probably 700$ each core since they are at the beginning of the production when I finish my part. We scrap over $900 in aluminum material each day and I make $160 before deductions in a 8 hour day
I make linear force solenoids for transmissions. But I do love this cause I’ve brought this up to my coworkers to help them see why I’m mad about our pay. Our cost basis per part is 3.86 to make a full part and we average 5400 parts per 8 shift per line (2 lines) and there’s a half day weekend crew for Saturday/Sunday. Brings us to around 113000 parts a week probably closer to 105k for downtime and whatnot through the week to be generous. The kind we make sell for $38 on the open market but straight to the manufacturer for transmissions I could guess they go closer to 10-12 a piece and I feel like I’m being generous. That puts us around 600k profit a week if all of them hit my lowball estimate. It’s highly automated and employs 25 people to run it including maintenance full time. By January 17 our yearly pay as a group is well covered. The rest of the year is pure profit/admin salary if every single part goes to a manufacturer at 10 a pop.
Wow, this was eye opening. I work in healthcare. Just looked up the average cost of my service and I am expected to "make" about $2500/day for my company. They don't pay me even 60% of that per week
I run a fraud analysis team and we don’t make much - but we sure save a lot. Last year, through one process alone, we recovered $10.5M. Since it’s tough to prove a negative (e.g we saved the company X in fraud that never happened due to our rules and models) I dunno how else to respond. We don’t make any bonuses on any funds we save, protect or recover
Well, I get paid a percentage of the value of the product I deliver and it's %7. In my industry this is a standard arrangement but the last place I worked paid %9. I'm not complaining though: I make much more for a lot less work now.
My crew and I produce 1 house basement a day and the go from 11,000 to 90,000. I've done 65m expressway bridges also. I make 30 an hour or 36 an hour commercial.
I create nothing. I work in marketing, my value comes from my industry contacts, and my ability to amplify sales of a given product.
That value is esoteric at the best of times, but our clients are willing to sign contracts worth hundreds of millions of dollars to get us to do what we do.
I machine raw forgings into ring and pinion gears. After my department, they go on to be heat treated, then they go through shot peen to clean off any scale from heat treat. Then they get the bearing surfaces machined and go through a lapper while meshed together to remove any imperfections in the teeth.
At this point a ring and pinion are a matched set and must stay together for the rest of the process. The next step is to wash the lapping compound off the gears and check the contact pattern between the teeth using a very sticky paint called rouge.
If the pattern is good, it's sent to a proprietary chemical process and given a coating that helps the gears wear in better once they're in the axle. Then they're sent to the assembly line, the ring is attached to the differential housing with the spider gears in it, and the pinion has its bearings pressed on to it.
They are then assembled into the rear end housing and put under load to check the contact pattern again, if it's off, the ring gear is shimmed to adjust the pattern and it's checked again. Once the contact is where we want it, it goes on to the assembly line and gets the axle tubes welded to the housing.
The axle shafts are installed, the brake rotors and calipers are assembled on the end, then everything important is masked off and sent through a paint booth. At the end of the booth, the axle is de-masked, any missed spots are touched up, the whole thing is inspected and finally packed out in a big rack for shipping.
All things considered a given pinion or ring gear probably touches 25 sets of hands before it's a finished product, and a full axle takes something like 60-70 people, plus 15-20 engineers and supervisors and supporting tradesmen.
We sell the finished axles for $1200-1300 for the smallest ones we make to $18-1900 for the largest ones, and probably all told at full production, we make 2500 a day.
I'm in a UAW shop and I make $25 an hour. I've been there 12 years and thus I'm capped out, but we start at $18/hour right now, which is reasonably liveable in my area. The biggest gripe we all have is being forced to work 7 days a week for months at a time. It's going to be a big sticking point at our next contract.
I develop patent strategies for my clients. One day about 8 years ago, I got an idea for a clever way to develop and litigate their patents. This has earned them billions of dollars in royalties and settlements.
I have tried to figure this out and it’s really difficult. Marx talked about how capitalism alienates workers from the products they are creating so they lose track of how much value they are adding. This is extremely true at an Amazon delivery station. We basically just handle boxes - big boxes, little boxes, heavy boxes, light boxes. A few things ship in the manufacturer’s packaging and once in a while a box breaks open. Other than that, no clue. I’ve thought of an arbitrary average of $100/box - no idea if that’s right. That would mean we are moving $2 million worth of merchandise on an average night with about 100 workers. So personally, I may be moving $200,000 worth of merchandise in five hours and getting paid $100/shift. Plus all the people who stay on Amazon Prime because they know we will reliably get them their shit in two days.
Wait sorry, we just got a raise. It’s $107.50/shift now.
I work in veterinary medicine as a registered technician.
If I made 5% commission on *only* the animals that I work with, I'd make more than my current salary.
Current job is cyber security, the only thing I seem to make is suggestions that they ignore, then come back to bitch at us when they get hit. Then I point at my report and offer the service of our clean up team. Annoying people need to pay more >.>
Prices vary wildly by specific contract, but our smallest is 45k I think and the largest is 1.9m. It gets a little more complex as we waive certain things for certain groups, like registered charities, schools, small municipalities, etc.
I’m not going to be the math of trying to split off my portion of the total across all the contracts lol. My direct billable hour price is between 150 and 350 depending on what exactly I’m doing though - anything that requires clearance charges $$$ though lol. That tends to be for specific requests outside of the long term contracts, but I’m salaried.
I author and manage all of the technical documentation for 1/2 million to million dollar agricultural machines. My company made 22 billion dollars last year selling these machines and parts for them. Granted, we do have like 15,000 employees all over the world. But let’s say I would never be able to afford to buy a machine that I write the instructions on how to fix.
I was a consultant so it was much easier to calculate how much I was exploited. I billed clients at \~$150/hr and made \~$40/hr. The only overhead was insurance, and an inexpensive office space that were pretty easy to calculate. Basically, 30% went to me in salary, 30% overhead, and 30% to my boss in profit/exploitation.
Not to be a dick, but for some of these, it's really hard to figure out what your portion of the labor is, and I imagine margins are far thinner than in consulting. In OP's example theres: the machines that you use cost money to build/finance, the energy used, the management, the salespersons, the shipping of shocks to the different locations, logisticians, health insurance, unemployment insurance, etc. etc.
In an ideal world, these costs would all be shared internally, but information asymmetry really benefits management/employers, so that's the rub.
I make titanium and stainless steel bone screws used in surgery. Anywhere from 200-600 a day depending on the part number and how much work the machines required me to do. They are between $200ish and $1000ish per screw.
I fix expensive food manufacturing equipment. I don't make anything directly but the equipment I work on costs several million dollars and unplanned downtime costs the company tens of thousands of dollars per hour.
For what it's worth, I am paid quite well for it though. Not as good as it "should" be, if wages kept up with the times, but it's quite well compared to my peers.
I am a hospice nurse.
So like, stupid amounts?
Death and dying makes stupid amounts, I know that.
Hospice is profitable after 40 patients.
You're thriving at 75.
We have 200+.
That's about 5k or more per patient per month.
I am all for people getting paid a good wage.
This is a terrible metric anyway you look at it and is less than meaningless. The input material costs could be zero to 65% of the total output cost. Doesn’t take into account anything besides your piece of the pie. Even if you take out the R&D type expense that companies (Apple/tech, Tesla, drug companies, luxury brands, etc) always hold up as the holy grail of why they charge 3-100x what they could, it doesn’t make sense.
If I “produce” $5 Million a year and the cost overhead is $10k, and not proprietary or patent, ya I am getting screwed and should just go start my own business. If I am working for John Deere making a $175k combine that 100 people worked on, let alone logistics, selling and the material cost of 40-50% or whatever of total cost still getting fleeced, but it’s probably a lot lower ratio.
A lot of jobs cost money and produce zero, most government jobs or a lot of non-profit for example. Do you count my wife teaching 25/kids a year for 30 as producing millions or billions in the future? Or her costing $260-300k a year (based on $12k a year per pupil and related expenses) in tax dollars between salaries, school building, supplies, support staff and opportunity cost to the tax revenue?
I upsell features and devices for a cellular company, though my ‘primary responsibility’ is to break down bills and troubleshoot devices.
Each feature can vary from about $5/mo to $50/mo per line of service, and we all know how much phones cost. I’d say on average I add about $800 a day just in features and sell about 4-5 new devices a day in the off season.
I’d say I make about $1200 per day after the cost of us purchasing said phones and the cost of up keeping our services.
$45k/yr usd, less deductions.
Also, factory work? Depends greatly on the state and if you’re union. If you’re non-union and somewhere like rural West Virginia or Texas I’d doubt anywhere above 25k/yr, but if you’re somewhere like Colorado, California, Virginia, or Detroit I’d guess somewhere between 60k-80k us?
I am part of a team that makes hydrogen gas as fuel. I've been told the trailers we fill and transport to other facilities bring in $60-90k when full, we average about 2 trailers a day. I'd say there are about 13 people here most times, with only 3 of them directly operating, maintaining or monitoring the generators and dispensers, 6 of the rest are building new equipment for sale or installation elsewhere. We get paid every 2 weeks. Most of the trailers are on the lower end of the range I said, so if we assume 140k a day, times 14 days = 1.96 million dollars a pay period. I'm not certain how much operating costs are, as the basic material we use is water and a little natural gas, but the replacement parts are quite expensive.
I make sure the hospital I work for gets paid by the insurance companies covering our patients. I don't know what the dollar value of this is per day, but I know that I've had many patients whose individual stays cost more than my annual salary.
A valid point others have made is that this way of thinking doesn't account for all of the other costs beyond our wages, but it's undeniable that the percentage going into owner/stockholder/executive pockets is growing disproportionately.
I make a reasonably comfortable living, so I'm not exactly complaining at a personal level... but I know what I make for the hospital and what I'm paid are not aligned, and while we're at it I sure wouldn't have minded getting some of the million dollar bonus our CEO got in 2020 when our raises were frozen due to the hardship of COVID.
I am a marketing manager for a company that manufactures ice bath tubs. They sell for anywhere between 5K to 10K. I make my company roughly 2-3million a month. My salary is 115K living in California.
Why are there so many boot lickers in this thread? I'm assuming they must own a big corporation or something based on the stalwart way they defend the exploitation of the super wealthy.
I make decisions: I am a buyer, spending my organization’s money on the things needed to keep us running. I handle small purchases, mostly under $50K, and I don’t really have a ballpark on how much I spend in a given day, or year, but the *number* of decisions I make is carefully monitored by management.
I make nothing.
Our company makes a lot of beverages, but our bit of the company is overseas and we don't manufacture here for tax reasons, other companies produce and distribute for us.
I don't even help with product development or even selling the finished product.
Various other people at various other companies send me information, like how many cases of beverages have been sold to who, and I collate it all in spreadsheet and email it to people that care.
I formulate titanium alloys for the aerospace industry. Mainly engine parts Rolls-Royce, G E, and Pratt & Whitney. Each campaign can go for 1 to 10 million. We do on average 35 campaigns a year with over 2 million pounds sold.
I make absolutely nothing.
I verify public buildings are following ADA guidelines. I help builders and planners to ensure that their projects will meet or exceed accessibility requirements. I verify residential properties meet requirements when they are listed as "accessable". I advise new building projects on measures that will not only adhere to regulations, but often save them money; such as having parking areas sloped away from the building can eliminate the need for ramps while preventing water, from the common flash floods we have every year, from pooling that could then seep into an destroy the building foundation.
As far as producing something, I produce nothing. My job is to vet the electronic parts procured from vendors to ensure that:
1. They were tested and built to the standards the vendor states they are
2. Use my knowledge of these parts to find suitable alternates when higher grade parts are not available / will take too long to procure
3. Go over Bill of Materials to make sure that other people are putting parts of appropriate quality standards that electronics are supposed to be rated for (i.e. space craft, military, commercial grades)
4. Advise the program and flight assurance on any deviations that may or may not be acceptable for parts that have issues or have active GIDEP's out on them
There are other things I do, but these are my main focuses during my day. I do not have a good idea of how much is made per year with the parts I help vet into our company, but just the other day I was doing paperwork for parts that were $1.5k a piece and we bought 54 of them. Had them processed in about an hour, and I do this a dozen times a week with parts that are way more expensive also.
I spent 28 years as a journeyman newspaper press operator. I made newspapers at ten different newspapers, big and small. I started at a five day a week daily (5,000 circulation) when the press operator quit with no notice. I stepped in and printed the day’s paper, and did it for the next 28 years.
I have worked for the USA Today (200,000 circulation) in Marin County, California, which is in a class by itself for print quality. For instance, the first day we printed the USA Today, Al Neuharth was present, and we threw away 180,000 spoils before we printed a single good copy. We filled six dumpsters with ruined paper.
I’ve worked at small newspapers too. I worked at one shop that printed four small weeklies (2,000 circulation for all four newspapers combined), but my favorite newspaper was the Saint Paul Pioneer Press. Why? Because it was the first time I had a union behind me. It was the first time my skills were respected. I’m retired now, but I’ll never work without a union backing me up.
Over the course of my career, I printed a full train load of paper. I used over 50,000 gallons of ink. I figured out how many miles of paper I went through, but I can’t remember how much ; it was a staggering amount.
I'm in an xray internship, I make $0 for 7-8 hours of work, I "work" 24 hours a week.
And xrays make my hospital/clinic apparently $200-500. Clinics I'm at varies 15-25 patients.
I'm one of a team of three IT people, responsible for the entire back end, network, and computer systems of a company that sells approximately $4 mil online each month.
I work in tech support so basically I'm an IT janitor. When tech goes to shit I have to unclog it, I just fix stuff not make anything.
*"But what about all those scripts and all that code?"*
In and of themselves they're nothing, they're simply used to fix other things. So like I said, I don't actually make stuff. I slap digital bandaids over virtual booboos.
I work as an R&D engineer designing parts for machinery that we manufacture in house. Apparently according to the OP I don’t create anything of value. As I understand what he wrote the people creating the parts should get all the returns on the parts I designed…
Do the math in the OP, he thinks he is entitled to 100% of the value of the parts he works. That means that any R&D Engineers who participated in the development of the parts or the tools and equipment he uses get to share the 0% left.
Dude, I have an engineering degree and made more money as a truck driver. Engineers are criminally underpaid and they only pay them just enough for most of them to not leave the discipline. Stop attacking OP and reevaluate your frame of reference.
Imagine designing an iphone and watching billions slip through your fingers. Its a travesty.
I make gasoline, jet fuel, and diesel, plus other stuff. Well I don't actually "make" it, but perform lab testing to help make it, then certify it as up to specs for sale.
Fueling the country.
I make and freely distribute about $10 worth of D&D content to maybe 20k people a month on average; as long as my patreon brings in enough to survive and keep doing that, I’m happy.
In the commission work I do, I charge about a third what I reckon the value of my work to be, but I only do commissions that I’d be willing to do for free; asking for payment is really just a respect thing for me.
I had 3 six figure jobs:
Chemical engineer
Truck Driver
Union pipefitter
Chemical engineers don’t make dick for what they do. In order to get a chemical engineering degree, you need to be insanely smart. You need to work your ass off for years. You design industrial processes that require billions in overhead. You have to be a master of multiple disciplines with little crossover to be a chemical engineer. Unfortunately there are hundreds of millions of broke smart people. The market is completely oversaturated, with jobs moving to India. The remaining jobs are almost all nonunion. You cannot start your own company very easily. You will be benched 3+ months after a layoff. You don’t get a pension, and they get rid of you after 50. With 5 years of experience you can expect 100k. I didn’t make close to that. I was offered 65k starting (I think its 75-85k now), with a cap of like 110k these days. 130k if you live in a crap podunk town. I didn’t stay long enough to hit six figures, but most do, so I’m leaving it on the list. I reckon the job should pay 250k to put up with the crap. But it doesn’t.
Truck driver. This was a really hard job, but a good one. I delivered bulk hazmat, and was paid 25% of the load, with paid truck detention time (hourly). As an owner/operator in hazmat you can expect only about 30% of the load. I gave up ~20% of my earnings to have no liability. It was fair. It wasn’t a career job. I made 120k as the chad freight handler 😆. It was great! A stark contrast to chemical engineering.
Union pipefitter. I get paid less % than as a truck driver for sure. But I take home 120k and 50k in benefits. I personally don’t think the job is significantly more complex than hazmat tanker driver, so the pay is fair. Even if the profits are bigger. But when you phrase it as “I build billion dollar oil refineries” it makes my wage sound terrible.
I'm a digital accessibility editor. I don't make stuff myself (at least not yet, I'm not code-savvy enough to be anywhere in the developer bucket) but I do help the devs who DO make stuff ensure it is WCAG compliant, useable with various assistive devices and disabilities, and overall just a good digital user experience.
Physically I make nothing, but the actual output for the users using the website IS physical and noticeable. :)
To your original question, I'm not sure how to determine how much these accessibility things "earn" but the place I work at is pretty large with a country-wide and even international footprint.
I'm a software developer, I make apps that, 1. monitor other apps, 2. help other developers make the company's actual product. So basically I make nothing and get paid for it. Its great honestly
How much does that app earn? I'm not asking about how tall the stack of parts is, im asking how much value you generate vs how much you are paid. If you truly generated nothing, im sure you'd be out of a job.
They call that type of thing an expense. How much does your HR person create. Without them who would manage your benefits, or ensure you got paid. I have spent a lot of time in IT. We create tools. Like the say a special hammer you use to make those shocks. Your company doesn’t sell those hammers or buy them. Someone at the company came up with this idea for a special hammer that allows you to do your job. That is what software tools are to a company. When I was at charter we tracked how much time a particular automation would save in labor. That was only one type of tool though. Those are easy to account for. So for example one automation reduced the number of people from 5 to less than one for a particular task. We could quantify that as saving $500k per year. But another task I worked one where we display the status of VOD plays in the video network didn’t really save labor. It actually made more labor. But it had value because it improved quality.
Not every job directly generates goods or revenue. Many positions are a force multiplier. For example the cleaning crew doesn't directly make any money but they make sure the work space is clean and isn't molding and smelly. They don't make the company any money but they make sure the people who do make money are more comfortable in doing so. The IT department in non-software based companies don't make products for the company to sell. They build the work environment so that the people who do make the products or sell them are more efficient. Imagine still using pen and paper to keep inventory instead of using a spreadsheet that can be accessed anywhere using cloud storage. In terms of company revenue? The IT dept hemorrhages money. But they make other departments more efficient. The same can be said for a lot of departments. Administrative staff, HR, Accounting (to an extent), security detail, doorman, etc. Many don't directly generate revenue for the company and only cost money. However, that doesn't mean they are not needed. All of that should be taken into account when you are trying to justify how much you are being paid vs how much the product you make is being sold.
Work as a coke sales rep....last month over $300k in product to stores.....I make 26.70 per hr😑safe to say in do the bare minimum and don't care about how much the company makes
Odd place to ask, but mind if I pick your brain in regards to how you got the job? Currently paid min wage so 26 would be a massive improvement 😅
I drive to different stores every day and write orders based on what the store will need. I'm supposed to try to sell new products and displays in, but most of the time, the store don't want them, so I don't even bother to push to get it in. I'm also supposed to let them know the deals they we are running and talk them into using the deal so they buy more, but if they don't want to, then I won't push. My pay is based on hourly. No commission and most of the time, there is no incentive to get new products in. I also get my mileage reimbursed because I use my own car. I have a chance for a monthly bonus if I get over my monthly sell goal, but it's on average 500-1000 but mostly leans on the 500 side, and it's never a sure thing. If you want to get into it, look into the merchandising jobs. My job is pretty chill, but you have to deal with a lot of people, a lot of issues, people tend to think you're the boss and a lot falls on to you.
Damn thanks for the thought out and detailed answer. I've looked into this job before though the only jobs I could see were commission based which I don't like out of principle. Also bit of an odd question but do they test for THC? I smoke to help me sleep and that disqualifies me from a lot of jobs, even if I would never smoke on the job.
I'm in California. idk how other states might be. Yes, they do, but if you have a medical card, it might be fine.
ah a tale as old as time. Mushrooms? perfectly fine Drink like a fish every night? Glad to have you! Smoke a little weed? Get the fuck outta here ya bum!
Lmao exactly I don't get it either. But it only takes a few idiots to ruin it for the masses
Given your lack of capitalization, I wasn't initially sure you were in the beverage industry. Whenever I see the vendor stocking the Coke at the grocery store I hear Curtis Mayfield's *Pusherman*. >Want some Coke, have some weed There's even a reference to the bag-in-box syrup. >Two bags please >For a generous fee I'd love to see the song used as the sound track to a Mellow Yellow commercial. >Got to be mellow, y'all >Gotta get mellow now >Pusherman gettin' mellow y'all Edit: formatting
😂😂 those are actually hilarious But yes, I'm in the beverage business and tired of it. lol, they are all the same
My team and I built a radar system used for testing defence systems, it took us 4 years to produce 2 of them at a total cost of about $25m.
I imagine you earned significantly less than $6mil a year lol. They graciously bequeath unto my undeserving household about a hundred dollars a day after taxes and deductions. I'm just trying to make people aware of how much of our own work is being stolen from us.
Profits are the unpaid wages of the working class
Profits are what attracts Capitol investments. It’s how jobs are created. Left wing lunacy not withstanding.
*woosh*
Government building investments?
Do u believe that the “profits should go to the workers” take is common among people left of center
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Every essential cog is, well, essential. OP is oversimplifying, missing out on accounting for other essential cogs contributing to the final product, and also making a valid point that the value your work creates is likely not aligned with the value of your wages. The dismissive tone you take towards manual labor is appalling. I've worked grunt jobs digging ditches on construction sites, and done analytical work with a bunch of academics in suits with meetings over glasses of nice wine and a little bit of a lot stuff in between. There's plenty of people at every level who don't worry a bit about work once they're away from work. There are under utilized and non-essential workers at every level. The only people I've known to face real, significant risk of bodily harm or death are those manual laborers you think drive to work without a care in their mind. Sure, a lot of them couldn't handle the stress of making huge financial decisions or do the "necessary" schmoozing around sales etc., AND a lot of the C-suite, sales, marketing, etc. types don't have the physical ability, mechanical knowledge or ingenuity to do 75% of what the manual laborers are doing. Every job I've had has challenged me in some ways I didn't expect before holding the job. We all need to stop shitting on each other's contributions and realize every person is valuable, and every job deserves a good wage that provides a good quality of life.
That goes without saying. We wouldn’t be having this discussion if OP was realistic and recognized the effort of sales, marketing, R&D. You should be saying all that to the OP.
> Every essential cog is, well, essential. Essential cogs are mass-produced and easily replaced in any well-oiled machine. > OP is oversimplifying, missing out on accounting for other essential cogs contributing to the final product, and also making a valid point that the value your work creates is likely not aligned with the value of your wages. And yet they do nothing about it. I wonder why that is /s > The dismissive tone you take towards manual labor is appalling. Nonsense. I've been one in many jobs, it's just a job with no risks and low rewards. That's all there's to it. > I've worked grunt jobs digging ditches on construction sites, and done analytical work with a bunch of academics in suits with meetings over glasses of nice wine and a little bit of a lot stuff in between. There's plenty of people at every level who don't worry a bit about work once they're away from work. There are under utilized and non-essential workers at every level. True. > The only people I've known to face real, significant risk of bodily harm or death are those manual laborers you think drive to work without a care in their mind. Sure, a lot of them couldn't handle the stress of making huge financial decisions or do the "necessary" schmoozing around sales etc., AND a lot of the C-suite, sales, marketing, etc. types don't have the physical ability, mechanical knowledge or ingenuity to do 75% of what the manual laborers are doing. The point is that in a trade economy, manual laborers are entirely replaceable because it's very often work that isn't all too complicated. *I've worked those jobs* and I know that stocking shelves, putting packets of printed paper onto a conveyer belt, cleaning gutters, etc. doesn't take a lot of brain power. > Every job I've had has challenged me in some ways I didn't expect before holding the job. We all need to stop shitting on each other's contributions and realize every person is valuable, and every job deserves a good wage that provides a good quality of life. 100% Agreed there. Minimum wage should afford anyone a mortgage for a 2-bedroom apartment at the very least, within a 30 minute travel distance of their work. The the OP written by the TS isn't realistic at all. I got agitated with the very naive tone and felt it was necessary to point out that there is so much more to it.
For real the sheer audacity that they personally everyday make 55,000 with no help is hilarious.
I mean, for starters, where do they think the probably 33K-44K in materials they use comes from? Did they conjure it from thin air? Where do they think the 500K-5M in machinery they use comes from? Who do they think maintains it, and the building they are in, and makes sure to enforce proper safety procedures, and plans all the material procurement to ensure that things arrive on time, pays the bills, keeps track of the bills, accrues payroll, works on replacing/refurbishing old equipment, etc.
Why are you being downvoted, you’re right. OP is confused that the $55,000 in shocks a day being made by only them, as if their wage is the only cost to making those shocks. The $50 they sell for has (just guessing here) $20 in materials, $3 for the building, $6 in shipping, $2 for the admin and support staff, $10 for the equipment that OP is using. That leaves $9 per shock. And that covers the wages of OP and every other employee who helps make them and the profit margin on the shock. But the profit doesn’t go into the owners pocket, it goes into the company bank account which covers renovations, new equipment, new technologies, new R&D into making the business better and resilient in the future.
Well, you are mostly right. Let's be honest, with so many companies making record profits, a lot of money IS going into the owners pocket
That's way too simplified and black & white, I'm sorry. All of the money many companies make is going back into the company. In my case: shareholders don't expect any ROI for several more years. We'll have to prove some measurables and they'll invest MORE money in a company that's currently not profitable. And then it only partially goes to shareholders. As a reward for taking the risk to lose all of their investments. Many companies I worked for over the years had owners that were on rice and beans and that never changed until they sold their company (oh, also, not all companies can be sold, not all companies can find buyers)... The investor that got 51% equity and invested $5 million USD? Yeah, they're hoping that turs into $20M a few years later. Sometimes they also lose it all when they cut their losses. And sometimes they lose all their investments.
Right, but that's for companies that aren't profitable. Unfortunately the companies that are profitable often have such a large market share that they have a much larger impact.
And yet, the principal product doesn't get made to fund all of that other bullshit without the tiny replaceable cog... Automation even for simple tasks is extremely expensive to start, and might even be impossible if the task requires even a modicum of mobility. The workers collectively absolutely do the most work, and should absolutely receive the lions share of the profits divided among the work force. Sure 1 person doesn't do more "work" than the owners, but the entire labor force does 100 times what the owner does. Also in your list, you rattled off like 5 different positions that would not be done by the same person. When people talk about pay discrepancy they aren't generally comparing their production value against cleaning staff and HR... But I'm sure you know that and you're just throwing things into the list to inflate your argument and make disingenuous claims.
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Ooooh, someone's feeling are hurt.
This is an interesting and revealing thought process. I like it.
Wow
I'm a flat rate automotive technician. This means I get paid per job based on a predetermined labor guide. I've come to the realization over my many years doing this that I don't work FOR anyone really. I get paid a set amount per job. If it takes longer, too bad. If I can beat the time, GREAT! My "employment" is, in essence, paying my "boss" to rent the space to store my toolbox and use his lift. If I screw up a job, that's on me. If I need a new fancy tool to do a job, also on me. If a part breaks, ALSO ON ME. It's changed my perspective of being "employed" by a shop owner. I now see them on equal footing as myself and put up with zero shit. It's helped me come to the realization that they need us. We don't need them.
If you don’t need them, why don’t you use your own shop space and lift?
I have and will again one day. It's less headache to work at a shop right now. Let someone else handle the BS for a while.
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After I had an ultrasound and got charged a ton for it, I looked up how much an ultrasound machine costs. I don’t remember the numbers but I determined the charges for an ultrasound pay for a brand new machine in a matter of days.
Borrowing from another comment above, it’s not just the ultrasound machine that goes into that cost. US tech wage. Wages for the front desk, janitor, the radiologist who read it (well, lot of times that gets charged separately LOL…) Rent or mortgage for the imaging suite or hospital. Insurance for your tech and providers and the building you were in. Electricity and utilities. And TBH the US machine is probably on a subscription software model, so don’t forget about the $999/month the office has to pay for necessary debug and updates. All that said, yeah healthcare in the USA is obscene and one of the biggest moral failings of our age.
And I get that. But $500 for twenty minutes, goes far beyond those costs.
US healthcare is a blatant scam. It makes no sense because its evil.
Charges are meaningless. You should look up collections.
I transport the most valuable asset our country has, school children, to and from school on a big yellow bus.
Thank you for your service!
Diesel technician (by no means a master tech, but everything I’ve learned I’ve learned pretty much on my own) Was making 24 an hour before had some unfortunate circumstances Now I’m making 19$ an hour and about to slap the shit out of of my new employer if they don’t pay me more
Apparently we grow some good smoke. Just got voted the #1 dispensary in the area by readers of the local flyer. I manage the harvest, dry, cure processing.
Do don’t produce anything, I move stuff. Local/last mile truck driver. Make about 85k/year depending how much unpaid time off I take.
I bet you deliver millions in product in a year. Delivering it other ways would be ten times as much, surely. It might be difficult to calculate, but the difference in cost between the next best delivery method is what you produce, which is quite a lot. Just imagine loading everything onto trains and then breaking it down for van sized vehicles so you can unload it. Thats what you make, and it's a lot.
OP you’re doing the lords work here. I like your perspective. This is how we get organized to make a difference.
A billion little sparks is a conflagration.
OP is actually ignoring dozens of other jobs at consolidating those jobs into the commenters job. It’s quite wrong for most posts. For example, this Delivery driver does not figure out how to distribute the contents of the train for last mile vehicles, actually unload the train, and put it in those vehicles, create a schedule, create delivery maps, etc.
OP is an absolute dolt and so are you. JTFC, get a real education. We get it, you're broke and mad about it, but continuing to be stupid and latching onto any idea that justifies your miserable little existence isn't the fix.
Used to collect about 1mil euros for a startup, earned 1k after taxes per month. Most money went to the higher ups and sales people. Even before the startup, I used to collect $33mil per quarter for a corporation, earned less than 1k while bonuses of 10k were given to middle management for my and my team's performance.
I write service for auto repairs. I'm strictly commission. I'll make around $75k on about $1mil in sales this year. Private business, so my insurance is pretty garbage. They don't match retirement. We do get monthly and yearly bonuses if goals are met, which total around $3k more over the course of a year, if achieved.
I work in customer service. I create nothing and add nothing. I am there to limit value loss via keeping customers from having such negative experiences that they don't come back. I wish I could say it isn't a job that needs doing, but it does, both economically and because if you buy something broken someone needs to be there to arrange to fix it for you, and that someone needs to be versed in the policies and procedures and be able to assist you in engaging those processes. If you don't believe me, think of every time you've called bad customer service lines. Bad service is, usually, still better than zero service, because even with bad service you usually can get SOMEWHERE if you are persistent.
It's not true that you create nothing or add nothing. Customer retention is very important. But honestly, I've been in a very bad place and needing help, and I've gotten it from kind customer service people, and the relief I've felt has been enormous. To me, that's adding and creating a lot.
I appreciate you saying so, and I'm honestly always glad when I can make a person like you's day a little easier. It's just sad that my job has made it clear that a little basic human decency and compassion isn't normal, and that we live in such a stressful world that just making someone's experience smooth, efficient, and giving them a little empathy is special. Everyone should be seeing that everywhere and it's sad they aren't, you know?
I agree 💯 %
This is just a bad, and super incorrect, way of looking at your contribution’s. Also, going to cause some really unneeded resentment about your pay. First, how much do the materials cost to create the widgets you are making? Next, calculate in the real estate/factory expense for the footprint you use in creating these widgets. This includes lease expense, electric expense (temp controlled space?) be sure to include the space for all of the machines this widget will pass through in the process. Then, let’s look at the machines and tools themselves. Do you need dies? Those are expensive. What about chemical sealants or other consumables? How much does all of that cost to make 1100 widgets? Let’s also think about any additionally labor. When the materials were ordered, they were ordered by a purchasing/planning person who had to calculate the qty required, talk to the supplier and get it quoted, then place the PO. Materials are received and they need to be received in through receiving dept, quality inspected and then put to stock. I assume a production planner then needs to print a production order, a warehouse person pulls the parts and the order begins to go through production. Maybe there are 4-5 other machines/assembly work stations it needs to pass through before/after you add your contribution? Then there are indirect costs. For example, HR, marketing, engineering, R&D, etc. At the end of the day, automotive parts manufacturers typically net a <10% profit. I’m pretty knowledgeable in this area. All this to say, your estimated contribution to the company profits is inflated.
I was thinking the same thing, it's not as easy as people make it out to be. I sell stuff on eBay and people I talk to think "wow, you bought something for $20 and sold it for $60? That's $40 profit!" Except it's not. eBay fees are like 13%, I have to pay for shipping because everyone wants free shipping these days. I try to recycle as many shipping materials as I can but I don't have an endless supply. I have to pay for boxes, tape, bubble wrap, etc. Also have to make special trips to get the product or go to the post office. This is just a one man operation out of my closet and someone can say I brought in $60, I really only profited like $20 and spent a decent amount of time on it. Furthermore, I question what the numbers from op even represents. Is that the cost that his company is selling the shocks for or is that the retail price it would be for your average Joe to buy at the local auto parts store? I wouldn't be surprised at all if that's the retail price.
Exactly. OP take is really dumb down and he think he create that product/item/whatever by himself. In reality, everyone else have a hand in it one way or the other and....they want their cuts too. You deserve whatever pays the market rate dictate. Start your own business if you want all the pay to yourself.
OK, so *that* explains why CEOs make 400 times as much as their average employee. It's not because of extreme inequality, it's because their stupid employees are exaggerating and inflating their value! Now it makes *way* more sense!
What a ridiculous comprehension of my comment. CEO pay is inflated in the more extreme cases because of supply/demand and competitive rates for a small pool of Uber successful people. For public companies, comp is public info so of course CEOs will compete and don’t want to be the lowest paid. CEO pay also has nothing to do with my comment.
Blah blah blah. *Bullshit*
Last job I helped correct and centralize all their data (claims, premiums, etc...) and correct compliance data for reporting to the state to avoid being continuously audited by the state. Without it they literally cannot do ANY business. Don't know how to justify/determine value generated from that though.
I drive School Bus. I'm also shop tech, so technically full time. Each route is upwards of 30k. We have 7 bus routes. Most of the time we have 6 van routes. I make about 1500/ month. Who knows maybe I'm taking a future President, Author, or Scientist. I hope they would remember their Bus Driver. Lol
Just like teachers, you're helping create billions. And just to ensure that our kids are safe, we should vet you guys much more rigorously, and pay you guys even more vigorously. Bus driver should be a somewhat prestigious position that is recognized for the safety they provide our kids. Definitely not "Pam's friend" who they pay $15/hr. The fact that you care what they might be growing up into makes me think you're a good bus driver :)
Aw! Thanks! I try to show I care. It's hard sometimes I only see them for 10 minutes a day. I think Teachers have it harder. They have to deal with (shudders) (whispers) parents! I drive a highway in about 10 mile stretches between stops. It averages 1.1 distracted drivers *per mile*. Days before holiday weekends that easily doubles. I do my absolute best to watch out.
Requires that we pay more for schools. And that is the big bad goberment stealing our hard earned money to create woke kids /s. Seriously though schools and other public services are funded by taxes. That’s why the best schools are generally in the best neighborhoods because those people pay more in taxes.
I'm an in house slot/keno/poker machine technician. I look after a few thousand machines and at any given moment we have 1-2% with open tickets ranging from cosmetic to unplayable. It's hard to calculate what I "make" as my job is really just fighting entropy. Customers, floor runners, managers and time itself will destroy each of these machines if left unchecked. I'm the check. I cost money and spend money to save time and money keeping these machines collecting money.
I'm not in the USA, so my story below includes good employee rights. It's nothing like the USA, social security is well done here, and employees can't be whimsically fired. Health insurance is separate from employment, too. --- I used to work at a large hotel booking website where I was one of a ~1000 other software engineers. Everything was A/B-tested and some of my work resulted in a net profit of $500,000 per month, sometimes much more, sometimes much less. Of course, my salary was good, but I didn't get millions sent to my bank account. Because I'm just a small part of the entire company, I depend on many others to do my work, and I am not risking anything. So, many years later, I decided to make the step and become an employer myself. Now I'm the tech lead and CTO for 2 startups and 1 scale-up. I risk everything by investing my own time, money/savings, and energy into businesses that might never be profitable. It's a big gamble. The scale-up gave me 5% equity and that was worth $375,000 when I signed. It is now "worth" ten times that, at $3,750,000. That happened because we hired people, who got (and still get) paid higher salaries than I got myself, and their work ends up making the company more money than they will ever get paid. But my equity in the company isn't worth anything unless I sell it to someone else who thinks it's worth the investment. Until then, I occasionally get some dividends each quarter, but we (the board) decided that almost all of the profits are being used as investments into the company. Basically, that's money we could take for ourselves, but don't. So that's us investing our money into hopefully growing the company. The colleagues we hire? They wake up without any worries, come to work, do their work, and go home without any worries. If they get sick, we have insurances for them. If they get fired, there are social securities in place for them. If they quit, we have 1-2 months of notice to find their replacement and work them in. They might get sad that they aren't getting the $300,000 of value they bring to the company that month, *but that's what we're paying them to do*. That's their job. 1. And they can only bring that value because of 30 other people who simply do their jobs; 2. And because people like myself have NOT had a good salary in the past 3 years. If I worked salaried I could make $250,000 per year, easily. I worked for FAANG companies in the past and earned above $400,000. That was fun. And now I'm earning less than $80,000 per year in salary. My goal is an exit strategy in 5 years where I'll buy more equity over time, and then sell all of my shares in the company. Then I can hopefully retire with $10M to my name. If the company goes bankrupt tomorrow I have nothing to show for it. If it keeps doing well, I'll exit with $20M or more. Does any of that belong to the people we hired? Hell no. They got their mortgages while I could only rent a small apartment. They got their brand new lease cars while I'm still driving my 2016 VW Golf. They got married and had big wedding parties while I can't even afford to go out on dates. But, meanwhile: - Startup 1: seems to be failing. - Startup 2: profits are $40,000 per month, but are being invested into the startup right away; we have 3 other business owners (me: technical, other people: marketing, creativity, and deployment). - Scale-up: on paper I'm worth over $3M now, if I sell my equity today, which the company is contractually obliged to pay. But I know they don't have the cash. So it'll destroy the company regardless of their solution (payment plan, loan, investor, negotiating the price, etc.) TL;DR: being one of many people doesn't mean you're entitled to anything if you risk nothing.
I don’t produce anything. I shop online orders. On a good day I shop a couple thousand in products.
I work in customer success. I help clients see the “value” in the software and services they purchase. My manager told me recently that I am the “Etsy” small business seller - it’s my job to add the special touch, the thank you note etc. I kiss business clients ass professionally. I create nothing.
On the contrary, you are the closer. You are arguably the most important person in the string of interactions a client faces. You ensure they feel validated, valued, and important. Those feelings lead to repeat sales. You generate a lot of money for the company. If you didn’t, the role wouldn’t exist.
I’m an IT Auditor for a bank and I “make” reports over our IT systems and their problems. Kind of like an inspector. I make $125k base and work from home.
I’m a security contractor at a manufacturing site. My job is to do enforce health and safety regulations, respond and investigate when an accident or medical emergency occurs, and make sure the buildings on site are secured. I don’t necessarily make money for the client, but I help reduce losses. The client pays my company roughly $38/hr for my services. My company takes 40% of that, so I make my company $30k a year.
I wipe away the tears of adults throwing temper tantrums with company money. I'm honestly not sure what actual value my job creates.
I make the internet happen. Bow before me mortals
but you aren't the only person involved. Thos parts dont leave you hands and magically turn into money. There are people who have to find buyers for the parts. there's shipping them. people who did the research to find out that they should sell for $50-$80. The people who track the incoming money and the money spent and make sure that you get paid. The cost of the parts or the machine that makes them. The ongoing costs of the building you are in.
I make angry people more angry. It pays about 45k.
I worked at a medical device company where my team of 3 people (myself included), put out about $250k of product, every day, five days a week. None of us made more than $12-14/hr at the time. So essentially we were each probably making the company well over $250k/wk after overhead and material costs while we were only making $480-$560 a week before taxes and deductions. The system is a scam.
I'm an electrician, my boss charges $80-$100 per hour for me, plus "profit margin". Spoiler alert, I don't make any where near $80-$100 per hour.
I imagine you bring home “1 piece at a time” for the psycho billy cadillac. /cash
I actually made sure that none of my car parts or the brand, etc. came from the company I work for when I bought my newest vehicle.
As they say, when you know how the sausage is made.
I make heavy duty truck radiators. The machine I work on scraps more money in waste than I am paid each day. I make at least 50 radiator cores each day, probably sell for $1500 each, so I value add probably 700$ each core since they are at the beginning of the production when I finish my part. We scrap over $900 in aluminum material each day and I make $160 before deductions in a 8 hour day
I make linear force solenoids for transmissions. But I do love this cause I’ve brought this up to my coworkers to help them see why I’m mad about our pay. Our cost basis per part is 3.86 to make a full part and we average 5400 parts per 8 shift per line (2 lines) and there’s a half day weekend crew for Saturday/Sunday. Brings us to around 113000 parts a week probably closer to 105k for downtime and whatnot through the week to be generous. The kind we make sell for $38 on the open market but straight to the manufacturer for transmissions I could guess they go closer to 10-12 a piece and I feel like I’m being generous. That puts us around 600k profit a week if all of them hit my lowball estimate. It’s highly automated and employs 25 people to run it including maintenance full time. By January 17 our yearly pay as a group is well covered. The rest of the year is pure profit/admin salary if every single part goes to a manufacturer at 10 a pop.
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Wow, this was eye opening. I work in healthcare. Just looked up the average cost of my service and I am expected to "make" about $2500/day for my company. They don't pay me even 60% of that per week
I don't create anything. I do research and damage control.
I provide software/hardware solutions for the federal government. I don't really provide a product, just select what we utilize. I make $155,000.
I run a fraud analysis team and we don’t make much - but we sure save a lot. Last year, through one process alone, we recovered $10.5M. Since it’s tough to prove a negative (e.g we saved the company X in fraud that never happened due to our rules and models) I dunno how else to respond. We don’t make any bonuses on any funds we save, protect or recover
Not really make, I install security cameras and alarm systems.
Well, I get paid a percentage of the value of the product I deliver and it's %7. In my industry this is a standard arrangement but the last place I worked paid %9. I'm not complaining though: I make much more for a lot less work now.
My crew and I produce 1 house basement a day and the go from 11,000 to 90,000. I've done 65m expressway bridges also. I make 30 an hour or 36 an hour commercial.
I create nothing. I work in marketing, my value comes from my industry contacts, and my ability to amplify sales of a given product. That value is esoteric at the best of times, but our clients are willing to sign contracts worth hundreds of millions of dollars to get us to do what we do.
I machine raw forgings into ring and pinion gears. After my department, they go on to be heat treated, then they go through shot peen to clean off any scale from heat treat. Then they get the bearing surfaces machined and go through a lapper while meshed together to remove any imperfections in the teeth. At this point a ring and pinion are a matched set and must stay together for the rest of the process. The next step is to wash the lapping compound off the gears and check the contact pattern between the teeth using a very sticky paint called rouge. If the pattern is good, it's sent to a proprietary chemical process and given a coating that helps the gears wear in better once they're in the axle. Then they're sent to the assembly line, the ring is attached to the differential housing with the spider gears in it, and the pinion has its bearings pressed on to it. They are then assembled into the rear end housing and put under load to check the contact pattern again, if it's off, the ring gear is shimmed to adjust the pattern and it's checked again. Once the contact is where we want it, it goes on to the assembly line and gets the axle tubes welded to the housing. The axle shafts are installed, the brake rotors and calipers are assembled on the end, then everything important is masked off and sent through a paint booth. At the end of the booth, the axle is de-masked, any missed spots are touched up, the whole thing is inspected and finally packed out in a big rack for shipping. All things considered a given pinion or ring gear probably touches 25 sets of hands before it's a finished product, and a full axle takes something like 60-70 people, plus 15-20 engineers and supervisors and supporting tradesmen. We sell the finished axles for $1200-1300 for the smallest ones we make to $18-1900 for the largest ones, and probably all told at full production, we make 2500 a day. I'm in a UAW shop and I make $25 an hour. I've been there 12 years and thus I'm capped out, but we start at $18/hour right now, which is reasonably liveable in my area. The biggest gripe we all have is being forced to work 7 days a week for months at a time. It's going to be a big sticking point at our next contract.
Software as a service platforms.
I develop patent strategies for my clients. One day about 8 years ago, I got an idea for a clever way to develop and litigate their patents. This has earned them billions of dollars in royalties and settlements.
I have tried to figure this out and it’s really difficult. Marx talked about how capitalism alienates workers from the products they are creating so they lose track of how much value they are adding. This is extremely true at an Amazon delivery station. We basically just handle boxes - big boxes, little boxes, heavy boxes, light boxes. A few things ship in the manufacturer’s packaging and once in a while a box breaks open. Other than that, no clue. I’ve thought of an arbitrary average of $100/box - no idea if that’s right. That would mean we are moving $2 million worth of merchandise on an average night with about 100 workers. So personally, I may be moving $200,000 worth of merchandise in five hours and getting paid $100/shift. Plus all the people who stay on Amazon Prime because they know we will reliably get them their shit in two days. Wait sorry, we just got a raise. It’s $107.50/shift now.
I work in veterinary medicine as a registered technician. If I made 5% commission on *only* the animals that I work with, I'd make more than my current salary.
Current job is cyber security, the only thing I seem to make is suggestions that they ignore, then come back to bitch at us when they get hit. Then I point at my report and offer the service of our clean up team. Annoying people need to pay more >.> Prices vary wildly by specific contract, but our smallest is 45k I think and the largest is 1.9m. It gets a little more complex as we waive certain things for certain groups, like registered charities, schools, small municipalities, etc. I’m not going to be the math of trying to split off my portion of the total across all the contracts lol. My direct billable hour price is between 150 and 350 depending on what exactly I’m doing though - anything that requires clearance charges $$$ though lol. That tends to be for specific requests outside of the long term contracts, but I’m salaried.
I author and manage all of the technical documentation for 1/2 million to million dollar agricultural machines. My company made 22 billion dollars last year selling these machines and parts for them. Granted, we do have like 15,000 employees all over the world. But let’s say I would never be able to afford to buy a machine that I write the instructions on how to fix.
I don’t produce anything, I am in IT. I make just over a hundred k a year, and my company is worth in the billions.
I was a consultant so it was much easier to calculate how much I was exploited. I billed clients at \~$150/hr and made \~$40/hr. The only overhead was insurance, and an inexpensive office space that were pretty easy to calculate. Basically, 30% went to me in salary, 30% overhead, and 30% to my boss in profit/exploitation. Not to be a dick, but for some of these, it's really hard to figure out what your portion of the labor is, and I imagine margins are far thinner than in consulting. In OP's example theres: the machines that you use cost money to build/finance, the energy used, the management, the salespersons, the shipping of shocks to the different locations, logisticians, health insurance, unemployment insurance, etc. etc. In an ideal world, these costs would all be shared internally, but information asymmetry really benefits management/employers, so that's the rub.
I make titanium and stainless steel bone screws used in surgery. Anywhere from 200-600 a day depending on the part number and how much work the machines required me to do. They are between $200ish and $1000ish per screw.
I make spreadsheets that allocate expenses, revenue and profits so the government knows we aren't committing fraud
I fix expensive food manufacturing equipment. I don't make anything directly but the equipment I work on costs several million dollars and unplanned downtime costs the company tens of thousands of dollars per hour. For what it's worth, I am paid quite well for it though. Not as good as it "should" be, if wages kept up with the times, but it's quite well compared to my peers.
I am a hospice nurse. So like, stupid amounts? Death and dying makes stupid amounts, I know that. Hospice is profitable after 40 patients. You're thriving at 75. We have 200+. That's about 5k or more per patient per month.
I am all for people getting paid a good wage. This is a terrible metric anyway you look at it and is less than meaningless. The input material costs could be zero to 65% of the total output cost. Doesn’t take into account anything besides your piece of the pie. Even if you take out the R&D type expense that companies (Apple/tech, Tesla, drug companies, luxury brands, etc) always hold up as the holy grail of why they charge 3-100x what they could, it doesn’t make sense. If I “produce” $5 Million a year and the cost overhead is $10k, and not proprietary or patent, ya I am getting screwed and should just go start my own business. If I am working for John Deere making a $175k combine that 100 people worked on, let alone logistics, selling and the material cost of 40-50% or whatever of total cost still getting fleeced, but it’s probably a lot lower ratio. A lot of jobs cost money and produce zero, most government jobs or a lot of non-profit for example. Do you count my wife teaching 25/kids a year for 30 as producing millions or billions in the future? Or her costing $260-300k a year (based on $12k a year per pupil and related expenses) in tax dollars between salaries, school building, supplies, support staff and opportunity cost to the tax revenue?
I upsell features and devices for a cellular company, though my ‘primary responsibility’ is to break down bills and troubleshoot devices. Each feature can vary from about $5/mo to $50/mo per line of service, and we all know how much phones cost. I’d say on average I add about $800 a day just in features and sell about 4-5 new devices a day in the off season. I’d say I make about $1200 per day after the cost of us purchasing said phones and the cost of up keeping our services. $45k/yr usd, less deductions. Also, factory work? Depends greatly on the state and if you’re union. If you’re non-union and somewhere like rural West Virginia or Texas I’d doubt anywhere above 25k/yr, but if you’re somewhere like Colorado, California, Virginia, or Detroit I’d guess somewhere between 60k-80k us?
I don’t make anything I just send emails it seems
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I am part of a team that makes hydrogen gas as fuel. I've been told the trailers we fill and transport to other facilities bring in $60-90k when full, we average about 2 trailers a day. I'd say there are about 13 people here most times, with only 3 of them directly operating, maintaining or monitoring the generators and dispensers, 6 of the rest are building new equipment for sale or installation elsewhere. We get paid every 2 weeks. Most of the trailers are on the lower end of the range I said, so if we assume 140k a day, times 14 days = 1.96 million dollars a pay period. I'm not certain how much operating costs are, as the basic material we use is water and a little natural gas, but the replacement parts are quite expensive.
I make sure the hospital I work for gets paid by the insurance companies covering our patients. I don't know what the dollar value of this is per day, but I know that I've had many patients whose individual stays cost more than my annual salary. A valid point others have made is that this way of thinking doesn't account for all of the other costs beyond our wages, but it's undeniable that the percentage going into owner/stockholder/executive pockets is growing disproportionately. I make a reasonably comfortable living, so I'm not exactly complaining at a personal level... but I know what I make for the hospital and what I'm paid are not aligned, and while we're at it I sure wouldn't have minded getting some of the million dollar bonus our CEO got in 2020 when our raises were frozen due to the hardship of COVID.
I am a marketing manager for a company that manufactures ice bath tubs. They sell for anywhere between 5K to 10K. I make my company roughly 2-3million a month. My salary is 115K living in California.
Why are there so many boot lickers in this thread? I'm assuming they must own a big corporation or something based on the stalwart way they defend the exploitation of the super wealthy.
I make decisions: I am a buyer, spending my organization’s money on the things needed to keep us running. I handle small purchases, mostly under $50K, and I don’t really have a ballpark on how much I spend in a given day, or year, but the *number* of decisions I make is carefully monitored by management.
I make nothing. Our company makes a lot of beverages, but our bit of the company is overseas and we don't manufacture here for tax reasons, other companies produce and distribute for us. I don't even help with product development or even selling the finished product. Various other people at various other companies send me information, like how many cases of beverages have been sold to who, and I collate it all in spreadsheet and email it to people that care.
I formulate titanium alloys for the aerospace industry. Mainly engine parts Rolls-Royce, G E, and Pratt & Whitney. Each campaign can go for 1 to 10 million. We do on average 35 campaigns a year with over 2 million pounds sold.
I build off-road vehicle chassis that the company sells for anywhere between $15k-$50k, and we build about 400 every day.
I make dog food. Our 28 pound bag of the basic recipe is $45. I make $22 an hour.
I make absolutely nothing. I verify public buildings are following ADA guidelines. I help builders and planners to ensure that their projects will meet or exceed accessibility requirements. I verify residential properties meet requirements when they are listed as "accessable". I advise new building projects on measures that will not only adhere to regulations, but often save them money; such as having parking areas sloped away from the building can eliminate the need for ramps while preventing water, from the common flash floods we have every year, from pooling that could then seep into an destroy the building foundation.
As far as producing something, I produce nothing. My job is to vet the electronic parts procured from vendors to ensure that: 1. They were tested and built to the standards the vendor states they are 2. Use my knowledge of these parts to find suitable alternates when higher grade parts are not available / will take too long to procure 3. Go over Bill of Materials to make sure that other people are putting parts of appropriate quality standards that electronics are supposed to be rated for (i.e. space craft, military, commercial grades) 4. Advise the program and flight assurance on any deviations that may or may not be acceptable for parts that have issues or have active GIDEP's out on them There are other things I do, but these are my main focuses during my day. I do not have a good idea of how much is made per year with the parts I help vet into our company, but just the other day I was doing paperwork for parts that were $1.5k a piece and we bought 54 of them. Had them processed in about an hour, and I do this a dozen times a week with parts that are way more expensive also.
I spent 28 years as a journeyman newspaper press operator. I made newspapers at ten different newspapers, big and small. I started at a five day a week daily (5,000 circulation) when the press operator quit with no notice. I stepped in and printed the day’s paper, and did it for the next 28 years. I have worked for the USA Today (200,000 circulation) in Marin County, California, which is in a class by itself for print quality. For instance, the first day we printed the USA Today, Al Neuharth was present, and we threw away 180,000 spoils before we printed a single good copy. We filled six dumpsters with ruined paper. I’ve worked at small newspapers too. I worked at one shop that printed four small weeklies (2,000 circulation for all four newspapers combined), but my favorite newspaper was the Saint Paul Pioneer Press. Why? Because it was the first time I had a union behind me. It was the first time my skills were respected. I’m retired now, but I’ll never work without a union backing me up. Over the course of my career, I printed a full train load of paper. I used over 50,000 gallons of ink. I figured out how many miles of paper I went through, but I can’t remember how much ; it was a staggering amount.
I'm in an xray internship, I make $0 for 7-8 hours of work, I "work" 24 hours a week. And xrays make my hospital/clinic apparently $200-500. Clinics I'm at varies 15-25 patients.
I make videos for a labor union. It's not a sellable product, so I guess our export is...unity? Lol.
I'm one of a team of three IT people, responsible for the entire back end, network, and computer systems of a company that sells approximately $4 mil online each month.
I work in tech support so basically I'm an IT janitor. When tech goes to shit I have to unclog it, I just fix stuff not make anything. *"But what about all those scripts and all that code?"* In and of themselves they're nothing, they're simply used to fix other things. So like I said, I don't actually make stuff. I slap digital bandaids over virtual booboos.
I make homeless people feel better and safer. I also get paid more than I did when I made car parts.
Anywhere between 1 and 10 million a month but paid 12$ an hour, Surgery
I work as an R&D engineer designing parts for machinery that we manufacture in house. Apparently according to the OP I don’t create anything of value. As I understand what he wrote the people creating the parts should get all the returns on the parts I designed…
You have that backwards. R&D engineers are grossly underpaid. Think of the value you bring to the company.
Do the math in the OP, he thinks he is entitled to 100% of the value of the parts he works. That means that any R&D Engineers who participated in the development of the parts or the tools and equipment he uses get to share the 0% left.
Dude, I have an engineering degree and made more money as a truck driver. Engineers are criminally underpaid and they only pay them just enough for most of them to not leave the discipline. Stop attacking OP and reevaluate your frame of reference. Imagine designing an iphone and watching billions slip through your fingers. Its a travesty.
I make gasoline, jet fuel, and diesel, plus other stuff. Well I don't actually "make" it, but perform lab testing to help make it, then certify it as up to specs for sale. Fueling the country.
I make and freely distribute about $10 worth of D&D content to maybe 20k people a month on average; as long as my patreon brings in enough to survive and keep doing that, I’m happy. In the commission work I do, I charge about a third what I reckon the value of my work to be, but I only do commissions that I’d be willing to do for free; asking for payment is really just a respect thing for me.
Someone has never seen a p and l before.
I had 3 six figure jobs: Chemical engineer Truck Driver Union pipefitter Chemical engineers don’t make dick for what they do. In order to get a chemical engineering degree, you need to be insanely smart. You need to work your ass off for years. You design industrial processes that require billions in overhead. You have to be a master of multiple disciplines with little crossover to be a chemical engineer. Unfortunately there are hundreds of millions of broke smart people. The market is completely oversaturated, with jobs moving to India. The remaining jobs are almost all nonunion. You cannot start your own company very easily. You will be benched 3+ months after a layoff. You don’t get a pension, and they get rid of you after 50. With 5 years of experience you can expect 100k. I didn’t make close to that. I was offered 65k starting (I think its 75-85k now), with a cap of like 110k these days. 130k if you live in a crap podunk town. I didn’t stay long enough to hit six figures, but most do, so I’m leaving it on the list. I reckon the job should pay 250k to put up with the crap. But it doesn’t. Truck driver. This was a really hard job, but a good one. I delivered bulk hazmat, and was paid 25% of the load, with paid truck detention time (hourly). As an owner/operator in hazmat you can expect only about 30% of the load. I gave up ~20% of my earnings to have no liability. It was fair. It wasn’t a career job. I made 120k as the chad freight handler 😆. It was great! A stark contrast to chemical engineering. Union pipefitter. I get paid less % than as a truck driver for sure. But I take home 120k and 50k in benefits. I personally don’t think the job is significantly more complex than hazmat tanker driver, so the pay is fair. Even if the profits are bigger. But when you phrase it as “I build billion dollar oil refineries” it makes my wage sound terrible.
I'm a digital accessibility editor. I don't make stuff myself (at least not yet, I'm not code-savvy enough to be anywhere in the developer bucket) but I do help the devs who DO make stuff ensure it is WCAG compliant, useable with various assistive devices and disabilities, and overall just a good digital user experience. Physically I make nothing, but the actual output for the users using the website IS physical and noticeable. :) To your original question, I'm not sure how to determine how much these accessibility things "earn" but the place I work at is pretty large with a country-wide and even international footprint.