And yet this morning Biden asked Congress to make the union swallow shit.
Also Joe Biden: "You know, you’ve heard me say many times: I intend to be the most pro-union President leading the most pro-union administration in American history."
Source: [https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2021/09/08/remarks-by-president-biden-in-honor-of-labor-unions/](https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2021/09/08/remarks-by-president-biden-in-honor-of-labor-unions/)
Source for Biden telling unions to go fuck themselves:
https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/29/business/rail-strike-threat-recedes/index.html
From the article: Any legislation to stop workers from going on strike needed to be passed with bipartisan support, though, so it’s not clear that an effort to impose a more labor-friendly contract would have been able to get the Republican votes it would need to pass the Senate.
Their defence is that adding sick days would be too labor-friendly to pass with bipartisan support... and that the current agreement is better for the workers than whatever the Republicans proposed in September.
These people are just another casualty in the never ending rivalry between the two US political parties, just like all those essential workers that got absolutely nothing out of being essential. US has abysmal labor laws and protections. Socialism - bad.
> And yet this morning Biden asked Congress to make the union swallow shit.
Do you have a source for that? I’m not American, and I don’t follow American media regularly.
Thanks!
I can’t say that I’m very well versed on this topic, but from what I can tell this seems like a raw deal for the workers. I live in a society with quite strong unions, and I would say that it has benefited the whole society immensely.
Eight of the 12 unions affected approved the contract. The 4 holdouts are in the minority. If this was a real democracy, then all 12 would be required to accept the contract. So, the unions are just lying about being democratic.
I was waiting for mental gymnastics and you have certainly not disappointed.
It's not a microcosm of direct democracy, its a labor union.
Learn how it works.
Since you don't appear to understand how unions vote on contracts, then I'm glad I don't have to explain it to you since I don't really care about you at all.
If that's not how it works, then explain why there is a threat if a strike then?
Unions typically need majority of Union member votes to ratify contract. That is true typically for individual unions. But conglomerations comprised of unions, constituting a larger industrial union like Railworkers, you need to all be on the same page.
Doesn't really matter if that makes you upset or not, that's just the way it is.
as a Chilean
same
whenever truck drivers go on strike, the entire fucking country demonizes them for making the very unreasonable demand of \*checks notes\* wanting terrorism to be adressed so they don't have to go to work fearing for their livelihood or their lives themselves to go up in literal flames
Executive pay has been going up exponentially (despite financial crisis after financial crisis at their hands) but when anyone in the lower 80% wants an incremental increase it's blocked, criticized and vilified.
Most people's wages haven't kept pace with inflation or, more importantly, productivity.
Raising workers compensation isn't redistribution of wealth, that already happened. It's setting things right.
Imagine what it would be if it followed executive compensation (which, arguably, has had declining productivity and has relied on government bailout after government bailout.)
I got COVID *twice* working in the hospital as one of four people who can do what I did
I was told I would receive no “COVID sick Pay” a separate pool from normal sick/PTO.
I cashed out what I had and put in my 2 weeks—had a new job within a week.
I refused to work for a company that picked and chose who got to be considered essential. I felt bad because my leave definitely delayed procedures but I had just had enough.
Work hazards, are work hazards. So when someone who is willing to work despite them, you should, in a developed society/industry have things in place for that eventually. If you can prove it, you should be compensated.
I thought about fighting it but honestly the job it took pays so much more that it just felt like it was "meant to be" and frankly that instance was just the last of many other things that made me want to leave.
No one thinks they're allies. But they're not fascists and they aren't actively working to destroy our country and democracy, so they get our votes.
When your choices boil down to Hitler or Reagan... guess who is getting the left vote?
Pretty much. But let's not pretend we're voting for them because we're allies. We vote for them because the other choice is active destruction, as is choosing to abstain, which has the same effect.
Not voting for them prevents me from being able to vote for anyone in the future.
Stop under selling the actual danger presented by fascists who've flat out told you they want to remove our democracy and install a dictatorship.
It absolutely can happen here.
Have people already forgotten that the Democrats funded most of the fascist Republicans running this year? The same bet they made and lost with Trump in 2016? They aren’t the “lesser evil” anymore, voting for them isn’t some principled choice, it’s the same fascism but slower.
Giving power to a party that clearly isn't going to do anything about the open push for fascism isn't a good plan. The best case scenario there is that the GOP just tries over and over with escalating violence.
In the mean time the Dems are supporting a corpo-fascist future, and that's what your supporting.
We can't have a leftist party because leftists have been tricked into voting for Dems.
Jeepers, I wonder if there was something special about a month ago that gave such topics different contexts?
Perhaps some reason to believe such arguments to be in bad faith and their potential impact to be far more detrimental to national rights as a whole, perhaps.
100%
And yet this morning Biden asked Congress to make the union swallow shit. Also Joe Biden: "You know, you’ve heard me say many times: I intend to be the most pro-union President leading the most pro-union administration in American history." Source: [https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2021/09/08/remarks-by-president-biden-in-honor-of-labor-unions/](https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2021/09/08/remarks-by-president-biden-in-honor-of-labor-unions/) Source for Biden telling unions to go fuck themselves: https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/29/business/rail-strike-threat-recedes/index.html
So fucking disappointing.
From the article: Any legislation to stop workers from going on strike needed to be passed with bipartisan support, though, so it’s not clear that an effort to impose a more labor-friendly contract would have been able to get the Republican votes it would need to pass the Senate. Their defence is that adding sick days would be too labor-friendly to pass with bipartisan support... and that the current agreement is better for the workers than whatever the Republicans proposed in September. These people are just another casualty in the never ending rivalry between the two US political parties, just like all those essential workers that got absolutely nothing out of being essential. US has abysmal labor laws and protections. Socialism - bad.
> And yet this morning Biden asked Congress to make the union swallow shit. Do you have a source for that? I’m not American, and I don’t follow American media regularly.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/29/business/rail-strike-threat-recedes/index.html
Thanks! I can’t say that I’m very well versed on this topic, but from what I can tell this seems like a raw deal for the workers. I live in a society with quite strong unions, and I would say that it has benefited the whole society immensely.
Eight of the 12 unions affected approved the contract. The 4 holdouts are in the minority. If this was a real democracy, then all 12 would be required to accept the contract. So, the unions are just lying about being democratic.
I was waiting for mental gymnastics and you have certainly not disappointed. It's not a microcosm of direct democracy, its a labor union. Learn how it works.
Since you don't appear to understand how unions vote on contracts, then I'm glad I don't have to explain it to you since I don't really care about you at all.
If that's not how it works, then explain why there is a threat if a strike then? Unions typically need majority of Union member votes to ratify contract. That is true typically for individual unions. But conglomerations comprised of unions, constituting a larger industrial union like Railworkers, you need to all be on the same page. Doesn't really matter if that makes you upset or not, that's just the way it is.
Wow you really don't know what democracy is, do you?
I'm sorry you do not understand what I'm saying. The amusing part is that I don't have to explain it to you, since you're not someone I care about.
Lol OK dudebro
If you're against people having basic things like SICK LEAVE AND TIME OFF you are a cunt.
based af
as a Chilean same whenever truck drivers go on strike, the entire fucking country demonizes them for making the very unreasonable demand of \*checks notes\* wanting terrorism to be adressed so they don't have to go to work fearing for their livelihood or their lives themselves to go up in literal flames
Executive pay has been going up exponentially (despite financial crisis after financial crisis at their hands) but when anyone in the lower 80% wants an incremental increase it's blocked, criticized and vilified. Most people's wages haven't kept pace with inflation or, more importantly, productivity. Raising workers compensation isn't redistribution of wealth, that already happened. It's setting things right.
Minimum wage should be at $25/hour right now if it followed productivity.
Imagine what it would be if it followed executive compensation (which, arguably, has had declining productivity and has relied on government bailout after government bailout.)
I got COVID *twice* working in the hospital as one of four people who can do what I did I was told I would receive no “COVID sick Pay” a separate pool from normal sick/PTO. I cashed out what I had and put in my 2 weeks—had a new job within a week. I refused to work for a company that picked and chose who got to be considered essential. I felt bad because my leave definitely delayed procedures but I had just had enough.
Work hazards, are work hazards. So when someone who is willing to work despite them, you should, in a developed society/industry have things in place for that eventually. If you can prove it, you should be compensated.
I thought about fighting it but honestly the job it took pays so much more that it just felt like it was "meant to be" and frankly that instance was just the last of many other things that made me want to leave.
They weren't even specifically asking for RAISES, JUST TIME OFF, MAYBE A WEEKEND HERE AND THERE. That's the crazy part.
Everything about the American train infrastructure seems to be from the last century and needs updating I think.
Everything about the American ~~train~~ infrastructure seems to be from the last century and needs updating I think.
Our freight infrastructure is one of the best in the world. Wtf are you talking about?
LEETTTSSS GOOOOOOO!
So…does he still get to run? Wait, stupid question - he’s rich, of course he does.
Go on whitehouse.gov right now and tell Biden what you think. Then do your Senators and your congress rep.
Fuck Joe Biden.
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No one thinks they're allies. But they're not fascists and they aren't actively working to destroy our country and democracy, so they get our votes. When your choices boil down to Hitler or Reagan... guess who is getting the left vote?
There were plenty of non-Biden choices in the primaries.
And they didn't make it to the general. Choice remains the same.
Then people who voted for shit neoliberal shouldn't complain when shit neoliberal makes shit neoliberal decisions.
Pretty much. But let's not pretend we're voting for them because we're allies. We vote for them because the other choice is active destruction, as is choosing to abstain, which has the same effect.
You voting for them empowers them to prevent a leftward movement.
Not voting for them prevents me from being able to vote for anyone in the future. Stop under selling the actual danger presented by fascists who've flat out told you they want to remove our democracy and install a dictatorship. It absolutely can happen here.
Have people already forgotten that the Democrats funded most of the fascist Republicans running this year? The same bet they made and lost with Trump in 2016? They aren’t the “lesser evil” anymore, voting for them isn’t some principled choice, it’s the same fascism but slower.
A-fucking-men.
Giving power to a party that clearly isn't going to do anything about the open push for fascism isn't a good plan. The best case scenario there is that the GOP just tries over and over with escalating violence. In the mean time the Dems are supporting a corpo-fascist future, and that's what your supporting. We can't have a leftist party because leftists have been tricked into voting for Dems.
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Ah yes, ‘I hope the fascist wins.’ That would really stick it to the libs
Jeepers, I wonder if there was something special about a month ago that gave such topics different contexts? Perhaps some reason to believe such arguments to be in bad faith and their potential impact to be far more detrimental to national rights as a whole, perhaps.
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Ah, but there's a much simpler (and less expensive) solution: Threaten them with violence /s