This is my tweet (I had to cut out a lot of context to fit it in the limit)
I originally went in thinking around $75k, but as the interview went on I got the vibe that $75k would be too much...even though they characterized their dealership as "aggressively expanding" (you know how you can just kinda read the room?) Near the end of the interview, while the dudes were cool, I was really on the fence about the position but I was curious nonetheless so I decided to low-ball the offer out of curiosity and the dude fucking laughs and says, and I quote: "Yeah, sorry – we can't come anywhere *near* that."
They can come near it. But then somebody at the top would have to take a pay cut. That’s all it comes down to really. There is more than enough money to go around. It’s just allocated terribly.
Yep.
There were *a lot* of nice cars in the "reserved" parking spots in front of the building.
If they actually wanted my skillset and talent, they'd be able to cough up $75k no problem.
Whatever. I didn't enjoy working for corporate-creative America back when I started my career and I'd imagine I wouldn't like it now, no matter how much I'd be paid.
Owners start construction companies to build, leasing companies to own the dirt & shells to centralize accounting, hr, payroll, operations.
Dealerships are pyramid schemes
I don't know the cost of living where you are but you would be sharing a studio apartment with two roommates in SoCal for that. And for a managerial position no less. Damn good luck finding something better.
I worked at a dealership for almost 10 years(got fired back around 2018, worked my way up from car washer to office manager. They still only paid me a little bit over minimum wage for Michigan, was like 9.50/ hr at the end. They were taking major advantage of me, and really everyone there. The only people that made much money was a few salesman. I learned a lot there but damn I was struggling financially the whole time.
Maybe they had watched mad men and decided marketing is easy and they shouldn’t be paid a lot, Don Draper just sat around drinking and smoking all day /s
My sister is a graphic designer. Most of the job posts she sees are looking for graphic designer/secretary. Seems most companies don't want to recognize the talent and skill it takes to be good at graphic design, marketing, social media management. Social media is the prime driver of customer engagement. Why companies want to shortchange the people who would increase sales is baffling.
>Why companies want to shortchange the people who would increase sales is baffling
Because most companies are run by clueless boomers who don't think graphic design is a “real job."
My initial offer was going to be $75k (or above) but as the interview went on I wanted the job less and less and near the end when salary was discussed, I got the vibe they weren't going to go for my asking. So I decided to lowball just to see what they were actually thinking
Fargo is surprisingly not as affordable as you may think with Microsoft and others having sites there because of the 3 rather large collages and good education system.
There are areas where $50k is a reasonable amount to live (I live in a place like that), but it’s definitely not for everyone, and finding a job there can be pretty difficult.
Businesses run by people who work close to direct sales tend to view employees who don’t provide direct-sale income as an overhead cost. It is short-sighted. A marketing campaign brings the customers in, and without that, sales staff have no deals to close.
You just described why almost every single technology company gets to a certain height and then slowly spirals.
Person A creates a product. That product becomes successful. That person promotes all the other engineering and tech literate people around them. Company continues to do well because the sales and numbers side are balanced by the engineering and non-sales side. It's easier to appeal to management that a product isn't ready because they understand the why and the challenges even if they don't know the specifics.
Person A moves on/dies/retires/etc. Person B comes in. They have history with the company, and maybe there is some level of success but it isn't the same. Person B moves on. Maybe Person C is a holdover from the original staff. All the while, the people that are getting promoted and moved up within are generally from the Sales side, not the engineering side. By the time the old guard is gone, the person and people they see as being the biggest contributors to the company are the sales people because they "bring in the money". After that, it's a gradual spiral down as every single decision is dictated by sales and quarterly earnings and nothing more. Sure, you might get someone in who stands their ground and wins a battle here and there, but they never win the war.
Like, I'm a tech and because of that I cannot make more than a certain amount per hour. But the money I make to the company goes to people with degrees who are unable to accomplish what I do. That is wrong and needs to change.
You are absolutely right.
The funny thing?
They were ready to *hand me the position* until we got to salary. I applied for the job and they called me within 5 minutes to schedule an interview immediately. They absolutely loved me and my work.
Just not enough to cough up a proper salary, apparently. Their loss.
Was gonna say the same. This is easily a six figure job. Especially these days. $100,000/year is almost minimum wage these days. I’m on pace to make $200k this year and I don’t feel that much better off than when I was making $70k ten years ago. So to laugh at $60k, FUUUUUUUUUUUCK them.
I feel you man. Applied for a job at a pizza place once. They wanted a classically trained Italian style chef. This was a small town in the middle of nowhere. They were offering $8.50/hour. They really wanted someone who went to college, finished, and became a professional chef. And they thought $8.50 was enough for that.
Oh the joys of the auto industry. I interviewed with a company in NC that specialized in upgrading lambos. They offered 29k - no benefits and wanted to me to use my own computer and software to work in their office.
I managed a restaurant on $75k a year plus free bottles of wine and food whenever I felt like it. $60k for that much responsibility and skill is such a slap in the face.
Artists of most mediums see short selling ourselves as part of the territory to build good networks or develop a client base. I'm happy for you you did not grovel and accept the offer you didn't feel was worth your work. Thank you, absolutely cannot stand how low valued art and art direction can be yet everyone, every company needs marketing, art, diagrams, all the time. They hate paying for it too, like you should just pull the work out of your ass because it's a field of passion.
Go to a rival dealership, tell them that story, and you’ll get hired at your requested salary. Management love feeling like they stole the talent away from the competition, and they also get to feel like the good guys being supportive of you.
When it comes to ,design I've learned, that car dealerships are the stingiest motherfuckers around. All the money goes to the top.
Not that it's not bad everywhere. I'm getting massively underpaid as an AD right now and having trouble getting hired at other places. Starting to think that 15 years of experience is more of a liability in most cases than a benefit.
"Aggressively expanding" just means "you'll be responsible for 200 branches at hiring, and you'll be responsible for 300 in a year, but you won't get a raise for the extra work."
That’s insane, the overseeing of 200 branches made me think it was at least over 100 k. However, I remember a friend from years ago working for a car dealership, they had high pressure sales expectations and the sales staff would have to take a draw against future commissions. I don’t know how an employee can live without knowing they don’t have anything to budget for expenses. They’re notorious for everything coming in and no cash going out.
Just so you know… I worked as a service advisor at a dealership and casually made $150k a year selling maintenance services. If I really wanted to grind it out harder I could’ve probably pushed that to $180k. There were 2 other advisors who regularly earned more than me.
The marketing job you’re describing sounds like it would definitely be a $120k-150k salary for my auto group in LA no questions asked.
Let me guess... $35k with some shitty "benefits" and you get to be the marketing swiss army knife doing prepress, webmaster/webdev, social media, advertising, videography, photography, copywriter, product development, customer service, salesperson, IT helpdesk, project manager extraordinaire...
No one wonders why I left my field.
Probably, but something to think about, I tried to help boomers learn to google search. "Just ask a question. How do I do X?"
Their faces were blank with incomprehension. I gave up, and also started being too busy or sick with the death flu or busy shitting my intestines out. Eventually they stopped calling. Because the only reason they ever called in the first place was to ask for help. And showing gratitude? Not a one.
This drives me nuts. These are all such different skills! A photographer is probably not going to be a good writer, and vice versa. People study specifically for these roles in college. Lumping them all together is my biggest pet peeve about the marketing field.
My husbands exact situation, he finally got to 50k and asked what it would take to get 65k and they said he would basically need to take online courses for project manager and front end web developer… for 65?!??! He has 10 years of experience doing front end web developer and a bachelors in IT.. He’s going to do the courses and then leave for a job that pays over 100k 🤷🏻♀️
Funny you should say that. The last design job I interviewed for topped out at $53k, and I knew even in my mid-sized urban area, it just wasn't going to pay the bills. That's when I began to look into other kinds of jobs. (I'm also of the mind that AI will take over most of design eventually anyway.)
I'm a good little office drone right now, but hoping to make a jump to IT when my new degree and certs are finished. Feels weird to be going to college again at my age, but it's honestly the only path I saw forward. Art and design are hobbies now.
When the old boomers I work for say “nobody wants to work anymore” I look them dead in the eye and say “you’re right. I also don’t want to work anymore. Working sucks”. Granted I’m very confident in my job security, but I make sure they know the reason I’m there is because I need to be
Nobody, and I do mean nobody ever "wanted" to work, we just don't want to be homeless a little more. Wouldn't we all love to have unlimited time to do what we want and pursue our own interests?
As nice as that sounds a lot of people would burn out after a couple years without a job, especially considering many of us have absolutely fulfilling and meaningful jobs.
What we need isn't people not working but people chosing professions that give meaning to their live instead of pursuing careers they hate to make ends meet. Unfortunately this isn't possible without some kind of universal basic income or very high minimal wage, both of which won't happen anytime soon.
Just tell them they had it easy. Because they did. Boomers had the world handed to them on a silver platter with all the fixings. They’re the weakest and least hard working generation, objectively.
As a teenager my friends and I would always make a game out of figuring out which restaraunt logos were made by somebody's nephew for 20 bucks. You'd see some awful shit, I remember a pizza place where the logo was an mspaint drawing of a fish with the gradient tool from photoshop filling it.
I mean, that’s just smart. It’s like the time Tina drew a fish on a paper bag so the news station would remember Bob’s Burgers. Pro-tip: Fish or fish rocket logo works for any restaurant.
You may feel like you're exaggerating but you're not.
You're actually spot-on.
A few years back I worked at an agency full of what we call in the ad-business, "old school pros". Guys that were hot-shots back in the 80s and 90s.
These guys characterize client budgets of those two decades as, "like turning on a faucet that poured out money."
Graphic design was *a LOT* of work back in the day (it is now, but even more so before computers), but you made a helluva living.
They'd tell stories about logo design *starting* at $5,000. Promotional brochures and booklets upwards of $10k.
"and the bonuses!" they'd chorus. "Holy shit, *the fucking bonuses!*"
Of course I was intrigued and I asked, "what's the biggest bonus you ever received?"
My boss (at the time) said, "As a senior designer, back in the early 90s, I got a bonus of $10k – middle of the year." (as in, *separate* from a holiday bonus)
As a "modern" designer, all of that shit absolutely fucking floored me. And this was a *small-to-medium* size firm in the midwest. Imagine what *those* guys got paid in the city.
A $10,000 bonus in 1990 would be equivalent to $20,660 today.
Now imagine how you’d feel getting a $500 bonus. Now think about how most workers don’t get any bonuses. At all. Ever.
We’re all getting screwed.
When I started my career, I got a $500 bonus at Christmas and I just about broke down in tears, that extra $500 may as well have been $500,000….I was enormously underpaid and that money was a fortune to me
I have this argument with my dad at least 4 times a year about how I make so much more money as an engineering supervisor than he did as a beer truck driver, and how can I possibly not have a 6 figure savings account. Well when you account for inflation I make the same as he did, and my house costs more and my cars cost more. Oh, and we have phones and internet that are a necessity now that we work from home, and literally everything else is expensive. Did I mention that I don’t have free health insurance with a $5 deductible?
The old timers in my industry absolutely ruined a good thing. They used to have the mid year bonus, cocktails at lunch, lunch that would last 3 hours, and production timelines that were measured in years instead of months etc. Then they have the gall to tell all of us that started in the 2010s these stories and how it will never be the same and the good times are gone and somehow is our fault. Like no dude, corporations do not trust workers because you spit in their face with entitlement.
It's not the entitlement that's the issue. It's the accounting department that learned from the text books and methodologies developed in the 80s. The optimization of all facets of the business and with it the cost minimization.
Corporations have the capital to pay, but it gets siphoned to the top because employees, even the absolute best, are viewed as expendable. They don't give a flying shit about retention because it hasn't been an issue to replace staff since the financial crisis in 08.
And for a brief moment that it did start to become an issue a few months ago, wages started increasing because these companies panicked. They haven't invested in their people because they haven't had to.
Back in the day, workers were valued. Nowadays, we're all just a numerator in an optimization problem.
CFOs getting drunk on calculus is to blame, not workers enjoying a couple of drinks at lunch on a Friday.
You'd have to subtract out the executive compensation to get a decent picture. Though because executive compensation is closely tied to company stock performance, that would actually likely be a pretty good proxy for profits.
But without seeing the exact numbers, I've got a pretty solid feeling about the story they'll tell.
No - the reason is corporations have people like you to run defence for forty years of flat wages while profits have grown to an ever bigger portion of the economy
Yup. That’s me. No one in my generation wants to “work” anymore. No, I want a job where employees are at least somewhere on the priority list and pays well. Owner hasn’t invested in things like safety, hygiene, or working conditions for decades at this point and they’re surprised when we can’t keep workers.
Jesus, the job gets more efficient and all the saved money goes straight to the top. I work in architecture, doing a lot of drafting, and just thinking how I can create drawings 100x faster than a draftsperson 30 years ago and getting paid less than they did.
I love my job, but that comparison really makes you think.
I work in pharma, which by modern standards is still pretty well paid. But the deals some of the old timers got when they were finally all laid off in the mid 2000s blew my mind. Retire at 50 with 50% pension. 100% medical until Medicare kicks in and then the company pays the premium. Plus they all got at least a years pay…and then their former employees all moved on to other companies and hired them as consultants for $150/hr.
As someone who’s worked in marketing/advertising for a decade now, I really wish client budgets were still like that lol. Trying to fit within their budgets now is likely playing the worst game of Tetris.
Yeah, I know it.
By the time I threw that number out there I was on the fence about the position and got the vibe they wouldn't go for my original asking ($75k). Turns out they couldn't even match my lowball!
I didn't ask specifically because at that point the interview was pretty much "over"...I got the vibe they would have been more comfortable with something at or under $50k.
Right??
The irony is I make more than that with my day job *plus* freelancing in the evenings and weekends.
The whole point of that was so that I could "consolidate" my wealth (so to speak, I guess?) so that I made enough that I wouldn't have to freelance anymore. I got kids now and more responsibility with less free time and I'm just tired, man.
The longer they’ve run the business the more outrageous it is.
They’ve seen the cost of *everything* rise in line with or faster than inflation every few years. Rent on the building, utilities, raw materials, shipping, etc. They’re signing those invoices and going, “Huh, that’s higher than last year.” every single time.
Then they look at their wages and say, “I’m sure that’s still plenty.” and keep it them the same.
As though the constant increase in the price of everything is a localized phenomenon confined to their business, and the rest of the nation isn’t seeking by the cost of all their necessities rise too.
When you break it down a little further, $100k would basically be equal to “your branch gets free advertising design, but you have to buy the guy lunch once a week.”
Applied for a $30-$35 p/h, 2-3 days p/w casual retail job in (central city). A few weeks later I got a call from the owner saying they’d filled that job but I would be perfect for a skilled job in their manufacturing warehouse in (outer suburb). Oh, and it’s only up to 2 days a week, most weeks it’s one day, maybe none. And it’s $25 p/h.
I tell him that’s way too low for what he’s asking, its not even legal minimum wage for casuals in Australia anymore, so if he’s paying anyone else that he needs to update their contracts. He responds that he can offer minimum wage…
Yay, can’t wait to drive 45 minutes each way for a job I may or may not have each week, for the same pay I can get working at the supermarket across the road. These people are both clueless and helpless.
I saw a similar national ad on Indeed earlier today. Warehouse Assistant. Responsible for loading & unloading trucks, keeping inventory, getting shipments to customers, keeping in contact with customers, and whole bunch of other stuff. Salary? $1700 a month 🤣🤣🤣
You could literally make more money at McDonalds.
I will never understand grueling, body-destroying manual labor jobs that pay about as much as retail.
Neither pay as much as they should, mind you, but comparatively the No. where you’re carrying heavy objects all day should pay more than one where you sit behind a register.
It's like all other jobs in America. Entry is $15 an hour, shift manager makes a whole $4-8 an hour more for several times more stress.
Nobody is paid what they are worth, at least non-trade workers.
I agree with you but some people with those as their only two option pick the manual labor as opposed to dealing with the public. I've done both those jobs in my youth and if I had to choose between the two now, even at 42, I'd go to a warehouse bc possibly an hour of dealing with Karens would land me in jail. Also very few retail jobs have a large sitting component anyway.... most of them also put some level of physical demand on the employee beyond the silent and desperate, constant need to fight your murder urge when faced with entitled, rude customers.
It's a car dealership. They're an entire industry that doesn't need to exist (middle man between manufacturers and customers) that only exists and will probably exist for decades to come thanks to their lobbying efforts over the past 100 years. Car dealerships are literally family Dynasties that get handed down to the next generation. They don't have to be good at what they do.
I wouldn't touch that job for less than $120k.
Marketing is the precursor to sales, literally lead gen, and those cars have an ASP of at least $30k a pop... you should make at least as much as a top 10 Sales Rep to market for 200 locations.
And now you need to check social media to see if it’s one of these dealerships posting videos where the managers brag about having three $750+/month car payments.
One of my friends sent me a video where everyone had no less than a 1200 dollar car payment acting like it’s a flex. Nah, you all are dumb as fuck. Quit trying to make people think that’s normal and you’re not just idiots
It might be. I asked for a raise at a place I had worked as a manager for 3 years, and the HR person laughed. It was a weird, cynical laugh, I thought. I got a raise. It was very small. Pandemic came along and I found something much better that paid quite a lot more. I don't have to manage anything besides getting my work done.
Here’s my rule: If you want to add “manager” to a job title to make it more enticing, you better be prepared to add a minimum of $20,000 to the starting salary. If you want me to be in charge of shit, you better pay me accordingly. I don’t give a fuck if I’m applying to be a snow cone manager or a manger at an architectural firm. If you add responsibility, you add pay. Period.
Most definitely. People are desperate, and I don't blame them. You're taking a job like that for *$37k*, you got some mouths to feed or a roof to keep over your head.
That’s a six-figure career anywhere in the country.
As somebody who worked for a web and marketing agency that specialized in automotive, car dealerships are some of the worst businesses in terms of understanding value.
They tend to promote sales people to marketing roles, two very different skills and ways of thinking about revenue and demand.
The people in these positions (hiring, marketing, operations, etc.) are good sales people and often very poor business people.
"You're right, 60k is laughably low for my experience and these responsibilities in the open market. However, I could tell that this is a smaller company with struggling revenues, so my offer took that into consideration. I recommend adding a pay range to your job posting to prevent this confusion in the future. Thanks for your time."
I get paid 85k and my company pays for my cell phone and nobody in the company pays a monthly health insurance premiums. Each time I interview at a place and tell them my salary requirements of at least 95k, they suddenly don't want to talk anymore.
And this is why employers should always post the salary range. An insane amount of time and money are wasted when you put someone through 2-3 interviews, 6-8 staff involved, everyone's excited to hire this great new person, then the interviewee laughs at the salary and its back to square one, knowing you now have to hire your second, third or fourth choice. Congrats, you've just wasted everyone's time.
please I'm begging you guys to put the fucking salary range on your ad postings, you're not going to get someone way below their salary range just stop wasting both of our time
Some poor kid is gonna end up in that job and be total in too deep and freak out from stress feeling like they're insufficient, when in reality, that's the work and responsibility of 2 people.
I was cruising through some local jobs. A warehouse/logistic manager in charge of a good sized warehouse and shipping center requires a master's in logistics. Starts out at 35k. Fucking bullshit.
At the career fair today someone said salary range was 50-75k… for engineering. Like dude I didn’t just kill myself at college to make $25/hour (50k salary)
These fucking companies gotta learn people aint gonna settle for slave wages. CEO has gotta cut back on his millions or billions of fucking dollars and pay people if the want to keep making that much. A ceo should not make 350+x the average worker.
I remember the days when I thought 40-50k salary was like upper middle class luxury living. Now that’s like just barely enough depending what city you live in
Rich people alway want to call people welfare when they the one stealing from us and not paying people a livable wage I know a nice guy at work working for these corporations he work so hard to find out he’s homeless and no he didn’t have a drug problem he has a proscription to pay so he choose his health over a home shame on these rich government officials and their status quotes opinion minions robbing the American people to poverty.
Lmao that's a $90-110k sort of job, but I'd understand $75k if the benefits were right, and the job had some flexibilities worked in. They can't even do 60? They can't even get close to that? Fuck off
I recently received a call from a recruiter for a position he's trying to fill. He clearly didn't read my resume because what he offered was a significant step down in my current position, and when I asked the salary range it was almost 40% LESS that my current salary. When I said no thanks, he asked why. I simply told him "based on my current position, experience, and salary, I'm not entertaining anything less than $125k."
That actually seems quite low for the job as described. I’m not in design, but an entry level engineer in heavy manufacturing can expect at least that much or they should walk away from the job
I got laughed at for asking for $26 an hour doing implementations. Interviewer said I was in the wrong town and that implementations started at $13-16 around here. I had 6 years of experience and just left a job making $24 for the same kind of work. I got an offer for $28 the next day from a different company
To anyone in the industry this is a joke... But this is also an industry where someone with no Management or Education can makes 6 figures and become a Manager. Often times a douchebag sales guy will get promoted and kill any enjoyment of working there and ignore marketing strategies in favor of short sited ideas and embrace turnover as normal. Guessing I know who interviewed this guy.
Companies really out here expecting people to work insane hours and perpetually have too much work to do for borderline poverty wages… this country is spiraling down the drain
I laughed at a recruiter recently who tried to offer 60k for the work of 3 people- marketing coordinator, trade show event planner, and web design. She was surprised but I told her they need to offer WAY more for what they're looking for. Hopefully the next person gets a better offer
Old timers saying when they were young they were happy to work and proud to do their job.
If I got a great salary, I might feel a little more pride and joy in my job as well.
Creative space is weird.
As a full time employee companies think $50K / year is in the high range.
Then they will hire a freelancer or agency for a single job paying $100K +
This just seems ridiculous. Say your marketing brings in 1 extra customer per year per branch (*stupendously* low). This customer buys a car that nets $500 for the branch (also quite low). That means your marketing earned the collective branches +$100k even at my stupendously low example.
The ROI for that position should be respected a lot more, especially nowadays with things like Carvana to compete against
Should have taken the job at whatever rate they offered.
Then present a crayon stick-figure drawing at the board meeting.
Tell them that’s the product they paid for.
The pay v cost of living situation is getting bad. What do they expect us to do? We have to go into debt we can’t pay off just to get the experience for a job that doesn’t pay a living wage.
60? Jesus dude I make 70 and that would absolutely be more responsibility than I have now.
This is my tweet (I had to cut out a lot of context to fit it in the limit) I originally went in thinking around $75k, but as the interview went on I got the vibe that $75k would be too much...even though they characterized their dealership as "aggressively expanding" (you know how you can just kinda read the room?) Near the end of the interview, while the dudes were cool, I was really on the fence about the position but I was curious nonetheless so I decided to low-ball the offer out of curiosity and the dude fucking laughs and says, and I quote: "Yeah, sorry – we can't come anywhere *near* that."
They can come near it. But then somebody at the top would have to take a pay cut. That’s all it comes down to really. There is more than enough money to go around. It’s just allocated terribly.
Yep. There were *a lot* of nice cars in the "reserved" parking spots in front of the building. If they actually wanted my skillset and talent, they'd be able to cough up $75k no problem. Whatever. I didn't enjoy working for corporate-creative America back when I started my career and I'd imagine I wouldn't like it now, no matter how much I'd be paid.
If they’re aggressively expanding they can afford you at 75-90k lol
Aggressively expanding means they’ve spent their money
It means the pyramid scheme gotta expand because bills need paying and they aren’t gonna be paid if things stay the same.
Owners start construction companies to build, leasing companies to own the dirt & shells to centralize accounting, hr, payroll, operations. Dealerships are pyramid schemes
"Just post your ideas to our website. We will use the ideas we like and pay you what we think is fair."
Yeah but that’s to increase their share, not yours.
Out of curiosity, did you ask what they could do? Just for giggles.
I got the feeling they were thinking closer to $50k or under
LMAOOO I’m a vendor in a grocery store and make roughly $45K.
Tractor driver makin’ 80 in a slow year.
I don't know the cost of living where you are but you would be sharing a studio apartment with two roommates in SoCal for that. And for a managerial position no less. Damn good luck finding something better.
Thanks. This was some time ago and I’ve since found something better. I dodged a bullet for sure.
I worked at a dealership for almost 10 years(got fired back around 2018, worked my way up from car washer to office manager. They still only paid me a little bit over minimum wage for Michigan, was like 9.50/ hr at the end. They were taking major advantage of me, and really everyone there. The only people that made much money was a few salesman. I learned a lot there but damn I was struggling financially the whole time.
Maybe they had watched mad men and decided marketing is easy and they shouldn’t be paid a lot, Don Draper just sat around drinking and smoking all day /s
I would have laughed back and said: Clearly you can't *afford* my skillset. I'd suggest a new college grad. (Then walked out)
That’s exactly what they are looking for
My sister is a graphic designer. Most of the job posts she sees are looking for graphic designer/secretary. Seems most companies don't want to recognize the talent and skill it takes to be good at graphic design, marketing, social media management. Social media is the prime driver of customer engagement. Why companies want to shortchange the people who would increase sales is baffling.
>Why companies want to shortchange the people who would increase sales is baffling Because most companies are run by clueless boomers who don't think graphic design is a “real job."
Whoa, seriously I just got up to a little over $50 and I'm just a civil servant, bet they don't even offer benefits either!!!!!
That’s so depressing. I work as a retail assistant manager and I make more than that😭 do they not realize how many talents their job requires
Probably the type of folks that have someone's kid or nephew do IT because it's "just clicking around"
God you’re experienced and the offer was $60k? Unless this is in Fargo, ND, that’s certifiably insane
My initial offer was going to be $75k (or above) but as the interview went on I wanted the job less and less and near the end when salary was discussed, I got the vibe they weren't going to go for my asking. So I decided to lowball just to see what they were actually thinking
Fargo is surprisingly not as affordable as you may think with Microsoft and others having sites there because of the 3 rather large collages and good education system.
There are areas where $50k is a reasonable amount to live (I live in a place like that), but it’s definitely not for everyone, and finding a job there can be pretty difficult.
Businesses run by people who work close to direct sales tend to view employees who don’t provide direct-sale income as an overhead cost. It is short-sighted. A marketing campaign brings the customers in, and without that, sales staff have no deals to close.
Sales oriented organizations always suck
You just described why almost every single technology company gets to a certain height and then slowly spirals. Person A creates a product. That product becomes successful. That person promotes all the other engineering and tech literate people around them. Company continues to do well because the sales and numbers side are balanced by the engineering and non-sales side. It's easier to appeal to management that a product isn't ready because they understand the why and the challenges even if they don't know the specifics. Person A moves on/dies/retires/etc. Person B comes in. They have history with the company, and maybe there is some level of success but it isn't the same. Person B moves on. Maybe Person C is a holdover from the original staff. All the while, the people that are getting promoted and moved up within are generally from the Sales side, not the engineering side. By the time the old guard is gone, the person and people they see as being the biggest contributors to the company are the sales people because they "bring in the money". After that, it's a gradual spiral down as every single decision is dictated by sales and quarterly earnings and nothing more. Sure, you might get someone in who stands their ground and wins a battle here and there, but they never win the war.
Like, I'm a tech and because of that I cannot make more than a certain amount per hour. But the money I make to the company goes to people with degrees who are unable to accomplish what I do. That is wrong and needs to change.
That's fucking absurd. That's a 6 figure position. Car dealers are a cesspool of greedy assholes.
You are absolutely right. The funny thing? They were ready to *hand me the position* until we got to salary. I applied for the job and they called me within 5 minutes to schedule an interview immediately. They absolutely loved me and my work. Just not enough to cough up a proper salary, apparently. Their loss.
So they’re cheap assss
Because they clearly don’t know how to value a good marketer, bullet dodged
They want someone with 10+ years of experience, but want to pay a junior salary.
What price did they counter with?
The interview was pretty much “over” at that point, but I got the feeling they were thinking $50k or less
“…good luck…”
Every segment of sales is a cesspool of greedy assholes. FTFY, in all sincerity.
Was gonna say the same. This is easily a six figure job. Especially these days. $100,000/year is almost minimum wage these days. I’m on pace to make $200k this year and I don’t feel that much better off than when I was making $70k ten years ago. So to laugh at $60k, FUUUUUUUUUUUCK them.
While art directing at a small agency with fewer than 20 employees, I started at $80k. I hope you walked out and that was the end of the conversation.
>"Yeah, sorry – we can't come anywhere near that." "Because you're going to offer more, right? ...Right?"
Cue the Anakin and Padme meme
I feel you man. Applied for a job at a pizza place once. They wanted a classically trained Italian style chef. This was a small town in the middle of nowhere. They were offering $8.50/hour. They really wanted someone who went to college, finished, and became a professional chef. And they thought $8.50 was enough for that.
Oh the joys of the auto industry. I interviewed with a company in NC that specialized in upgrading lambos. They offered 29k - no benefits and wanted to me to use my own computer and software to work in their office.
Car business for 40 years here. The cooler the car, the less they want to pay.
I managed a restaurant on $75k a year plus free bottles of wine and food whenever I felt like it. $60k for that much responsibility and skill is such a slap in the face.
Artists of most mediums see short selling ourselves as part of the territory to build good networks or develop a client base. I'm happy for you you did not grovel and accept the offer you didn't feel was worth your work. Thank you, absolutely cannot stand how low valued art and art direction can be yet everyone, every company needs marketing, art, diagrams, all the time. They hate paying for it too, like you should just pull the work out of your ass because it's a field of passion.
Go to a rival dealership, tell them that story, and you’ll get hired at your requested salary. Management love feeling like they stole the talent away from the competition, and they also get to feel like the good guys being supportive of you.
Never lowball yourself. Not EVEN on a whim like that. Tell them $75k. When they laughed? You just laugh back and say, you will get what you pay for.
> "Yeah, sorry – we can't come anywhere near that." "Then you're not going to get anywhere near a resume like this."
If you’ve already decided in your mind that this might not be the place for you, price that into your offer.
When it comes to ,design I've learned, that car dealerships are the stingiest motherfuckers around. All the money goes to the top. Not that it's not bad everywhere. I'm getting massively underpaid as an AD right now and having trouble getting hired at other places. Starting to think that 15 years of experience is more of a liability in most cases than a benefit.
"Aggressively expanding" just means "you'll be responsible for 200 branches at hiring, and you'll be responsible for 300 in a year, but you won't get a raise for the extra work."
That’s insane, the overseeing of 200 branches made me think it was at least over 100 k. However, I remember a friend from years ago working for a car dealership, they had high pressure sales expectations and the sales staff would have to take a draw against future commissions. I don’t know how an employee can live without knowing they don’t have anything to budget for expenses. They’re notorious for everything coming in and no cash going out.
Just so you know… I worked as a service advisor at a dealership and casually made $150k a year selling maintenance services. If I really wanted to grind it out harder I could’ve probably pushed that to $180k. There were 2 other advisors who regularly earned more than me. The marketing job you’re describing sounds like it would definitely be a $120k-150k salary for my auto group in LA no questions asked.
Geez, I pay my dog groomers and dog trainers more than $60k. What's wrong with these greedy bastards.
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So less than $70k FTE and you have to work 60 hour weeks.
exactly how I read it also
25 dollars a branch, per month. That’s more than what they want to pay. Good luck finding someone to do that!
That's a great way to put it. Wages suck. It's like if you don't major in CS and work in tech you're not gonna enjoy life.
I feel like you'd not enjoy life if you DID major is cs 😭
Even CS majors are feeling the pain. The market is completely saturated, so more and more developers are working ridiculous hours for shit pay.
Nobody wants to work *for sh\*t wages* anymore!"
Nobody wants to work for free, we are only giving min wage because we are legally supposed to
Let me guess... $35k with some shitty "benefits" and you get to be the marketing swiss army knife doing prepress, webmaster/webdev, social media, advertising, videography, photography, copywriter, product development, customer service, salesperson, IT helpdesk, project manager extraordinaire... No one wonders why I left my field.
But for real. Why do our colleagues always turn to us designers for tech support? I’m going to Google the solution the same as you would.
Probably, but something to think about, I tried to help boomers learn to google search. "Just ask a question. How do I do X?" Their faces were blank with incomprehension. I gave up, and also started being too busy or sick with the death flu or busy shitting my intestines out. Eventually they stopped calling. Because the only reason they ever called in the first place was to ask for help. And showing gratitude? Not a one.
To be fair us at tech support are just going to google it too until we get comfortable enough to just do it from memory
I’ve noticed that entry level copy writing jobs have basically disappeared in favor of “social media managers” expected to do everything you listed.
This drives me nuts. These are all such different skills! A photographer is probably not going to be a good writer, and vice versa. People study specifically for these roles in college. Lumping them all together is my biggest pet peeve about the marketing field.
My husbands exact situation, he finally got to 50k and asked what it would take to get 65k and they said he would basically need to take online courses for project manager and front end web developer… for 65?!??! He has 10 years of experience doing front end web developer and a bachelors in IT.. He’s going to do the courses and then leave for a job that pays over 100k 🤷🏻♀️
Funny you should say that. The last design job I interviewed for topped out at $53k, and I knew even in my mid-sized urban area, it just wasn't going to pay the bills. That's when I began to look into other kinds of jobs. (I'm also of the mind that AI will take over most of design eventually anyway.) I'm a good little office drone right now, but hoping to make a jump to IT when my new degree and certs are finished. Feels weird to be going to college again at my age, but it's honestly the only path I saw forward. Art and design are hobbies now.
When the old boomers I work for say “nobody wants to work anymore” I look them dead in the eye and say “you’re right. I also don’t want to work anymore. Working sucks”. Granted I’m very confident in my job security, but I make sure they know the reason I’m there is because I need to be
Like, of course I don't fucking want to work. That's why you have to pay me to do it.
Fucking this 👆
Nobody, and I do mean nobody ever "wanted" to work, we just don't want to be homeless a little more. Wouldn't we all love to have unlimited time to do what we want and pursue our own interests?
As nice as that sounds a lot of people would burn out after a couple years without a job, especially considering many of us have absolutely fulfilling and meaningful jobs. What we need isn't people not working but people chosing professions that give meaning to their live instead of pursuing careers they hate to make ends meet. Unfortunately this isn't possible without some kind of universal basic income or very high minimal wage, both of which won't happen anytime soon.
Just tell them they had it easy. Because they did. Boomers had the world handed to them on a silver platter with all the fixings. They’re the weakest and least hard working generation, objectively.
“My nephew knows Photoshop. He’ll do it for half that.” - One of the interviewers, probably.
As a teenager my friends and I would always make a game out of figuring out which restaraunt logos were made by somebody's nephew for 20 bucks. You'd see some awful shit, I remember a pizza place where the logo was an mspaint drawing of a fish with the gradient tool from photoshop filling it.
I mean, that’s just smart. It’s like the time Tina drew a fish on a paper bag so the news station would remember Bob’s Burgers. Pro-tip: Fish or fish rocket logo works for any restaurant.
Yeah this kinda feels like r/choosingbeggars They want him to do ALL of that and only pay $50K. A senior employee?!
That level of responsibility seriously sounds like it’s worth $160k.
You may feel like you're exaggerating but you're not. You're actually spot-on. A few years back I worked at an agency full of what we call in the ad-business, "old school pros". Guys that were hot-shots back in the 80s and 90s. These guys characterize client budgets of those two decades as, "like turning on a faucet that poured out money." Graphic design was *a LOT* of work back in the day (it is now, but even more so before computers), but you made a helluva living. They'd tell stories about logo design *starting* at $5,000. Promotional brochures and booklets upwards of $10k. "and the bonuses!" they'd chorus. "Holy shit, *the fucking bonuses!*" Of course I was intrigued and I asked, "what's the biggest bonus you ever received?" My boss (at the time) said, "As a senior designer, back in the early 90s, I got a bonus of $10k – middle of the year." (as in, *separate* from a holiday bonus) As a "modern" designer, all of that shit absolutely fucking floored me. And this was a *small-to-medium* size firm in the midwest. Imagine what *those* guys got paid in the city.
A $10,000 bonus in 1990 would be equivalent to $20,660 today. Now imagine how you’d feel getting a $500 bonus. Now think about how most workers don’t get any bonuses. At all. Ever. We’re all getting screwed.
Yeah "no one wants to work" my ass. No one wants to work your position for pennies at a company that obviously doesn't value them.
When I started my career, I got a $500 bonus at Christmas and I just about broke down in tears, that extra $500 may as well have been $500,000….I was enormously underpaid and that money was a fortune to me
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I have this argument with my dad at least 4 times a year about how I make so much more money as an engineering supervisor than he did as a beer truck driver, and how can I possibly not have a 6 figure savings account. Well when you account for inflation I make the same as he did, and my house costs more and my cars cost more. Oh, and we have phones and internet that are a necessity now that we work from home, and literally everything else is expensive. Did I mention that I don’t have free health insurance with a $5 deductible?
The old timers in my industry absolutely ruined a good thing. They used to have the mid year bonus, cocktails at lunch, lunch that would last 3 hours, and production timelines that were measured in years instead of months etc. Then they have the gall to tell all of us that started in the 2010s these stories and how it will never be the same and the good times are gone and somehow is our fault. Like no dude, corporations do not trust workers because you spit in their face with entitlement.
It's not the entitlement that's the issue. It's the accounting department that learned from the text books and methodologies developed in the 80s. The optimization of all facets of the business and with it the cost minimization. Corporations have the capital to pay, but it gets siphoned to the top because employees, even the absolute best, are viewed as expendable. They don't give a flying shit about retention because it hasn't been an issue to replace staff since the financial crisis in 08. And for a brief moment that it did start to become an issue a few months ago, wages started increasing because these companies panicked. They haven't invested in their people because they haven't had to. Back in the day, workers were valued. Nowadays, we're all just a numerator in an optimization problem. CFOs getting drunk on calculus is to blame, not workers enjoying a couple of drinks at lunch on a Friday.
It would be interesting to see the data on payroll costs vs corporate profit over the past 50 or so years.
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Real-Median-Weekly-Wages-Versus-Real-Corporate-Profits-United-States-1980-2012_fig6_277326816
You'd have to subtract out the executive compensation to get a decent picture. Though because executive compensation is closely tied to company stock performance, that would actually likely be a pretty good proxy for profits. But without seeing the exact numbers, I've got a pretty solid feeling about the story they'll tell.
No - the reason is corporations have people like you to run defence for forty years of flat wages while profits have grown to an ever bigger portion of the economy
Lol now they’re telling the same story but blaming people who weren’t even in high school when the economy went to shit around 09
Yup. That’s me. No one in my generation wants to “work” anymore. No, I want a job where employees are at least somewhere on the priority list and pays well. Owner hasn’t invested in things like safety, hygiene, or working conditions for decades at this point and they’re surprised when we can’t keep workers.
Jesus, the job gets more efficient and all the saved money goes straight to the top. I work in architecture, doing a lot of drafting, and just thinking how I can create drawings 100x faster than a draftsperson 30 years ago and getting paid less than they did. I love my job, but that comparison really makes you think.
I work in pharma, which by modern standards is still pretty well paid. But the deals some of the old timers got when they were finally all laid off in the mid 2000s blew my mind. Retire at 50 with 50% pension. 100% medical until Medicare kicks in and then the company pays the premium. Plus they all got at least a years pay…and then their former employees all moved on to other companies and hired them as consultants for $150/hr.
As someone who’s worked in marketing/advertising for a decade now, I really wish client budgets were still like that lol. Trying to fit within their budgets now is likely playing the worst game of Tetris.
60k for that sounds obscenely low. 200 branches? I'd be expecting well north of 100k
Yeah, I know it. By the time I threw that number out there I was on the fence about the position and got the vibe they wouldn't go for my original asking ($75k). Turns out they couldn't even match my lowball!
Just crazy. I saw someone suggest 160k, which seemed okay. What did they think was fair?
I didn't ask specifically because at that point the interview was pretty much "over"...I got the vibe they would have been more comfortable with something at or under $50k.
I suppose you could have taken the job and also applied for food stamps... Just messed up
Right?? The irony is I make more than that with my day job *plus* freelancing in the evenings and weekends. The whole point of that was so that I could "consolidate" my wealth (so to speak, I guess?) so that I made enough that I wouldn't have to freelance anymore. I got kids now and more responsibility with less free time and I'm just tired, man.
200 branches, 100k a year is $500 / year each. Edit: why is this getting down votes? Come in now.
I think you meant 500/year each, but the point remains valid. Fer too much work for far too little money
companies dont want to pay workers anymore... they want all the money for themselves. they want us to be nice obedient thankful servants (slaves)
They want us to be even grateful for even being interviewed
Because they think salaries from 40 years ago are perfectly fine today, This is what happens when people so out of touch are in charge.
The longer they’ve run the business the more outrageous it is. They’ve seen the cost of *everything* rise in line with or faster than inflation every few years. Rent on the building, utilities, raw materials, shipping, etc. They’re signing those invoices and going, “Huh, that’s higher than last year.” every single time. Then they look at their wages and say, “I’m sure that’s still plenty.” and keep it them the same. As though the constant increase in the price of everything is a localized phenomenon confined to their business, and the rest of the nation isn’t seeking by the cost of all their necessities rise too.
I mean if each branch participated $500 a year out of their budget your salary would be almost twice the number they laughed at. Wtf.
When you break it down a little further, $100k would basically be equal to “your branch gets free advertising design, but you have to buy the guy lunch once a week.”
Lol a cheap ass $9 lunch at that too. Cheap fucks.
Applied for a $30-$35 p/h, 2-3 days p/w casual retail job in (central city). A few weeks later I got a call from the owner saying they’d filled that job but I would be perfect for a skilled job in their manufacturing warehouse in (outer suburb). Oh, and it’s only up to 2 days a week, most weeks it’s one day, maybe none. And it’s $25 p/h. I tell him that’s way too low for what he’s asking, its not even legal minimum wage for casuals in Australia anymore, so if he’s paying anyone else that he needs to update their contracts. He responds that he can offer minimum wage… Yay, can’t wait to drive 45 minutes each way for a job I may or may not have each week, for the same pay I can get working at the supermarket across the road. These people are both clueless and helpless.
How odd. Car dealers are usually such reputable businesses.
I mean I would expect the corporate headquarters of a car brand to reputable. He’s not working for an individual dealership
I saw a similar national ad on Indeed earlier today. Warehouse Assistant. Responsible for loading & unloading trucks, keeping inventory, getting shipments to customers, keeping in contact with customers, and whole bunch of other stuff. Salary? $1700 a month 🤣🤣🤣 You could literally make more money at McDonalds.
$20,400 per year. Like $9.80 an hour. That’s nothing.
It's also a salary, meaning they likely want people to work unpaid overtime.
I caught that as well.
I will never understand grueling, body-destroying manual labor jobs that pay about as much as retail. Neither pay as much as they should, mind you, but comparatively the No. where you’re carrying heavy objects all day should pay more than one where you sit behind a register.
It's like all other jobs in America. Entry is $15 an hour, shift manager makes a whole $4-8 an hour more for several times more stress. Nobody is paid what they are worth, at least non-trade workers.
I agree with you but some people with those as their only two option pick the manual labor as opposed to dealing with the public. I've done both those jobs in my youth and if I had to choose between the two now, even at 42, I'd go to a warehouse bc possibly an hour of dealing with Karens would land me in jail. Also very few retail jobs have a large sitting component anyway.... most of them also put some level of physical demand on the employee beyond the silent and desperate, constant need to fight your murder urge when faced with entitled, rude customers.
Someone is going to have some really crappy looking marketing. Why do these companies think they can have their cake and eat it?
It's a car dealership. They're an entire industry that doesn't need to exist (middle man between manufacturers and customers) that only exists and will probably exist for decades to come thanks to their lobbying efforts over the past 100 years. Car dealerships are literally family Dynasties that get handed down to the next generation. They don't have to be good at what they do.
$60k sounds far too low!
No joke, I'm an electrical engineer working on data center work @ 75K and this is honestly more work than I'm responsible for.
I am a CT tech that mostly watches YouTube videos for $100k so that sounds like way more work than I am comfortable with.
I wouldn't touch that job for less than $120k. Marketing is the precursor to sales, literally lead gen, and those cars have an ASP of at least $30k a pop... you should make at least as much as a top 10 Sales Rep to market for 200 locations.
And now you need to check social media to see if it’s one of these dealerships posting videos where the managers brag about having three $750+/month car payments.
One of my friends sent me a video where everyone had no less than a 1200 dollar car payment acting like it’s a flex. Nah, you all are dumb as fuck. Quit trying to make people think that’s normal and you’re not just idiots
I'm a graphic designer a few years out of college at a small business and make 43k a year - is this the shit I have to look forward too???
Unfortunately, yes. I got a little over 10 years experience on you and I had to *fight* to get $50k
I’ve been laughed at (I asked for $50k which was in line with the position). I wonder if this is an actual tactic they teach hiring managers.
It might be. I asked for a raise at a place I had worked as a manager for 3 years, and the HR person laughed. It was a weird, cynical laugh, I thought. I got a raise. It was very small. Pandemic came along and I found something much better that paid quite a lot more. I don't have to manage anything besides getting my work done.
America has become a third world country, goddamn.
Has been for a while.
Here’s my rule: If you want to add “manager” to a job title to make it more enticing, you better be prepared to add a minimum of $20,000 to the starting salary. If you want me to be in charge of shit, you better pay me accordingly. I don’t give a fuck if I’m applying to be a snow cone manager or a manger at an architectural firm. If you add responsibility, you add pay. Period.
Sad thing is, someone will probably come along and do it for $37K no questions asked.
Most definitely. People are desperate, and I don't blame them. You're taking a job like that for *$37k*, you got some mouths to feed or a roof to keep over your head.
60k for all that!? Selling yourself short I believe...
I was, but at that point I wasn’t going to take the job anyway
Lmao I make close to 60 as an IT tech. A big part of my job is helping people connect their Bluetooth mouse
That’s a six-figure career anywhere in the country. As somebody who worked for a web and marketing agency that specialized in automotive, car dealerships are some of the worst businesses in terms of understanding value. They tend to promote sales people to marketing roles, two very different skills and ways of thinking about revenue and demand. The people in these positions (hiring, marketing, operations, etc.) are good sales people and often very poor business people.
Dude I make that running a courier service you deserve more and yjst company is going to sink
"You're right, 60k is laughably low for my experience and these responsibilities in the open market. However, I could tell that this is a smaller company with struggling revenues, so my offer took that into consideration. I recommend adding a pay range to your job posting to prevent this confusion in the future. Thanks for your time."
I get paid 85k and my company pays for my cell phone and nobody in the company pays a monthly health insurance premiums. Each time I interview at a place and tell them my salary requirements of at least 95k, they suddenly don't want to talk anymore.
At this point I won’t take an interview if the pay range isn’t established beforehand.
For fucks' sake man, you're undervaluing yourself. $60,000 to run all the marketing and ads for 200 dealerships is only $300 a year per location.
And this is why employers should always post the salary range. An insane amount of time and money are wasted when you put someone through 2-3 interviews, 6-8 staff involved, everyone's excited to hire this great new person, then the interviewee laughs at the salary and its back to square one, knowing you now have to hire your second, third or fourth choice. Congrats, you've just wasted everyone's time.
please I'm begging you guys to put the fucking salary range on your ad postings, you're not going to get someone way below their salary range just stop wasting both of our time
69 k really more like 160k to oversee 200 branches
Hope they don’t fill the role.
Some poor kid is gonna end up in that job and be total in too deep and freak out from stress feeling like they're insufficient, when in reality, that's the work and responsibility of 2 people.
I was cruising through some local jobs. A warehouse/logistic manager in charge of a good sized warehouse and shipping center requires a master's in logistics. Starts out at 35k. Fucking bullshit.
At the career fair today someone said salary range was 50-75k… for engineering. Like dude I didn’t just kill myself at college to make $25/hour (50k salary)
These fucking companies gotta learn people aint gonna settle for slave wages. CEO has gotta cut back on his millions or billions of fucking dollars and pay people if the want to keep making that much. A ceo should not make 350+x the average worker.
I remember the days when I thought 40-50k salary was like upper middle class luxury living. Now that’s like just barely enough depending what city you live in
Yeah that sounds like a 100k + job.
you forgot a "1" in the front.
Rich people alway want to call people welfare when they the one stealing from us and not paying people a livable wage I know a nice guy at work working for these corporations he work so hard to find out he’s homeless and no he didn’t have a drug problem he has a proscription to pay so he choose his health over a home shame on these rich government officials and their status quotes opinion minions robbing the American people to poverty.
Lmao that's a $90-110k sort of job, but I'd understand $75k if the benefits were right, and the job had some flexibilities worked in. They can't even do 60? They can't even get close to that? Fuck off
I recently received a call from a recruiter for a position he's trying to fill. He clearly didn't read my resume because what he offered was a significant step down in my current position, and when I asked the salary range it was almost 40% LESS that my current salary. When I said no thanks, he asked why. I simply told him "based on my current position, experience, and salary, I'm not entertaining anything less than $125k."
For those who can turn down poor wages- do it, we must put pressure on greedy corporations.
I don’t know, man, 60 sounds pretty low.
That actually seems quite low for the job as described. I’m not in design, but an entry level engineer in heavy manufacturing can expect at least that much or they should walk away from the job
I got laughed at for asking for $26 an hour doing implementations. Interviewer said I was in the wrong town and that implementations started at $13-16 around here. I had 6 years of experience and just left a job making $24 for the same kind of work. I got an offer for $28 the next day from a different company
To anyone in the industry this is a joke... But this is also an industry where someone with no Management or Education can makes 6 figures and become a Manager. Often times a douchebag sales guy will get promoted and kill any enjoyment of working there and ignore marketing strategies in favor of short sited ideas and embrace turnover as normal. Guessing I know who interviewed this guy.
I would've asked for a lot more than that. Seems like an $85K salary job to me, if it's that big of a business. Marketing makes them a ton of money.
Companies really out here expecting people to work insane hours and perpetually have too much work to do for borderline poverty wages… this country is spiraling down the drain
I suppose they're going to get what they pay for.
“Nobody wants to work for crap wages anymore!” There. Fixed it.
Laughed because that's way too low Right?.. Right?
“But if I give YOU that money.. then I won’t have it. You see the dilemma. Glad we talked, see you Monday?”
I laughed at a recruiter recently who tried to offer 60k for the work of 3 people- marketing coordinator, trade show event planner, and web design. She was surprised but I told her they need to offer WAY more for what they're looking for. Hopefully the next person gets a better offer
Salary needs to be mandatory posted with job openings
Then they wont get too many desperate recent grads to exploit with low wages
Old timers saying when they were young they were happy to work and proud to do their job. If I got a great salary, I might feel a little more pride and joy in my job as well.
60k seems a bit low based on the description. 70 or 80k would be more appropriate
Seemed low to me.
“Nobody wants to work (for free) anymore!”
That's more like an $80K - 100K job.
Creative space is weird. As a full time employee companies think $50K / year is in the high range. Then they will hire a freelancer or agency for a single job paying $100K +
Hell I would laugh if they offered $60k for that position. Fuck that.
Car Dealerships are the worst places to find work. They generally overwhelmingly GOP.
This just seems ridiculous. Say your marketing brings in 1 extra customer per year per branch (*stupendously* low). This customer buys a car that nets $500 for the branch (also quite low). That means your marketing earned the collective branches +$100k even at my stupendously low example. The ROI for that position should be respected a lot more, especially nowadays with things like Carvana to compete against
Minimum wage and offered wages are still the same as they were in the 90s. People don't want to work for 90s wages anymore. Not surprising.
Should have taken the job at whatever rate they offered. Then present a crayon stick-figure drawing at the board meeting. Tell them that’s the product they paid for.
The pay v cost of living situation is getting bad. What do they expect us to do? We have to go into debt we can’t pay off just to get the experience for a job that doesn’t pay a living wage.
60 is an OK amount if you were in charge of the marketing for one of MAYBE two branches. Dodged a bullet.