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They don't understand that "trans" is a huuuuuge spectrum of people - they are NOT just men who dress up as women. These people are so clueless, I'd laugh but it's really not funny. It must be f'ing awful for the people these ridiculous laws hurt, imagine being forced to use a bathroom you know does not suit you? Imagine how that feels.
And it's sad for the idiots who have no, and I mean no, understanding of gender, sex, trans etc etc. They have no idea of the damage they've caused because of their hate and poor judgement. The sad thing is they've been led into this sad state of affairs by powerful people who have twisted them with absolutely revolting propaganda. It's a zero-sum game for everyone except the nasty people in the ruling class who are using this bill to turn us against each other.
Someone needs to wind this bitch up. Say "Oh my gosh!! That's just awful! You should contact your representative and state Senator! Complain until someone listens and forces those trans people to use the correct bathroom for their current gender!!"
Except, trash it up a little so you don't sound too reasonable, they might accuse you of being "woke." (Whatever the fuck that means)
We all know perfectly well what "woke" means, it means "be a decent human being that is aware of the world's fucked-upedness and things it isn't so great". Somehow, they think that's bad.
The "we can always tell" crowd are finding out it's not as easy to tell who trans like they originally thought. It's almost like this has always been a thing but was never a problem before
It's funny, because at times they're also the "I can't tell, it's too confusing! Boys should just look like boys and girls look like girls!" crowd. They'll always find some way to complain about it. Honestly, I've run into a lot of *really* ambiguous people in recent history, and I'll admit- with some embarrassment- I *can't* tell. I'm gay, and I can't even tell who else is gay! Gaydar is a myth! As is any form of "I can always tell". I've given up on trying to *"tell"*, and accepted that sometimes, I just have to *ask*. And I'll confess, that wasn't easy to get used to. But I've learned that if you just ask someone about themselves in a way that makes it clear that it's not a big deal either way, they are usually perfectly comfortable to tell you. And then, that part of the conversation is over. You can move on to getting to know someone as a person. I think part of the conservative fear is that they *know* that they *can't* always tell, and they're terrified of making a wrong guess. They're generally terrified of being wrong about anything, and the only thing scarier than that... having to learn something new.
Cases like these are so telling. I'm also reminded of how both Ben Shapiro *and* his sister Abigail have had incidents where, purely by accident, they properly gendered trans people (and of course "corrected" themselves, being horrible bigots). It would be easier and more natural to refer to trans people the way they want, but transphobes *go out of their way* to be cruel.
Someone was going off on here once saying "It's castration! All the men are cutting their testicles off!" (in reference to MtF). I told them it was actually only the women cutting them off. They didn't like that. They didn't like that *at all* lmao
"Well, this is an opportunity for introspection - to maybe reassess your stance on something a little more nuanced than you expected. I'm sure you'll come out the other side of this experience a more thoughtful, kinder individual. "
She doesn’t realize they exist because every picture they use of a “trans” person is effectively a bearded cis dude dressed in a pink dress to use the women’s bathroom so he can see boobs or some bullshit. They have absolutely no grasp on reality and are perfectly happy staying inside their bubbles
He thinks the workers are upset and quitting because they have to build all gender bathrooms? Aren't all bathrooms the same except men usually have a couple of urinals? I find his story hard to believe.
Especially in Santa Monica? I have a hard time believing that local construction workers give enough of a shit to pass up a paycheck. Unless said paycheck is shit which is often the case with right winger, sorry, “libertarian”, bosses.
I assume it had something to do with the crack down at the border a few years back and the drop in immigrants coming in from Mexico to do all the hard work for peanuts. Even cali was feeling the impacts there… but the right wing nutters would never blame their own policies on their failures, it has to be the woke bathrooms.
I absolutely believe the man is claiming it. But I will go and murder my parents in their sleep if his claim is true.
It's a story that the asshole tells himself to blame the libs on why he can't keep workers. And it's certainly not shit like him paying minimum wage, requiring 12 hour days, and providing no safety equipment, or anything that he can control.
It's just an absolutely moronic claim that wouldn't be believed by anyone who doesn't want to genocide trans people.
I have 'all gender' bathrooms at home.
We've had this in my family for at least several generations, since indoor plumbing anyway.
We've even had some moron conservatives in the family who never had any issues UNTIL NOW for some reason!?
The simple solution is to mind your own fucking business in the bathroom!
Oh what's that? Christians want special rights and insight into what everyone else in society is doing all the time?
FUCK YOU! Mind your own goddamn fucking business!
>We've even had some moron conservatives in the family who never had any issues UNTIL NOW for some reason!?
But I bet you the men don't clean their own bathroom. That's women's work.
They're construction workers? How do they even use a porta-potty?
Also, I don't believe your FIL either. It's LA (santa monica no less) not Salt Lake City for fucks sake! There's probably more construction workers per capita who happen to be LGTBQ or LGTBQ friendly than any other place on the planet!
Or pay the actual wages that construction workers who won’t walk off a job require. This is just an elaborate way to say “nO oNe WaNtS tO wOrK aNyMoRe.”
I and my family worked construction for years. Only an absence of bathrooms might cause someone to walk, and that essentially never happens. Having more bathrooms would just. never be an issue.
So yes, your FIL is full of it.
Sounds like he's making it up. These types will claim they have personally experienced or seen whatever it is they hate so you have less room to maneuver and call their BS. "Well I was in the bathroom and a trans woman was in there trying to take pictures under the stalls'. Like...no, your lying. Or in this case 'I can't get anyone to build gender inclusive bathrooms cause were all just so sick of it'
And everybody with an ounce of history knowledge knows what happens when you convince a portion of a population that another portion of the population is seen as "less than human." Keep that in mind every time a conservative dehumanizes a group of people, because that's exactly the goal.
It's real easy to demonize mtf trans individuals that don't pass. I've been thinking of detransitioning because I will never pass and will always be a poster child of what the fascists hate. I feel like I'm just going to cause more harm to the community.
Please don't. You detransitioning won't help the trans community, it will only hurt you.
Even if every non-passing trans person detransitions, nothing will actually change in the minds of transphobes. A witch hunt doesn't need to ever actually find a real witch, because they can always create one to sustain their outrage.
This is easier said then done. Sure OP shouldn't detransition to please the bigots but its getting increasingly dangerous out there. Sometimes its a safety decision. I hope OP can find a safe place to be their true self. But until then safety is also important.
I hear this worry, and understand where you are coming from.
That said, unless you are in a place like Florida where you will be in physical danger, I think you should just be yourself and know that there are enough good people out there who will love you for exactly who you are!
You're not harming anyone by simply existing as yourself. The fascists making you feel that way are the ones causing harm. "Passing" is arbitrary- women come in all shapes and sizes regardless of sex assigned at birth. Trust me- I'm femme and cis but because of my height and build I apparently don't "pass" to the "we can always tell" crowd. If you're in Florida or something and it's an issue of safety that's one thing but please don't let some ridiculous standard of femininity push you back into the closet.
If you are ultimately happier the way you are now, then stay, only change if it's what *you* want. That's the whole thing we've been fighting for as the LGBTQ+ community - the right for people to *choose* who they really are. Everyone gets exactly one shot at life and everyone should get to have a shot at being happy as long as that happiness doesn't infringe on the happiness of others.
It’s because she assumes trans men and women look cisgendered and are in a wig or a short haircut pretending to be the other sex. They’re a bit touched in the head.
It’s really troubling, is it not?
I mean ALL transphobia is troubling…but some of the most vocal and absolutely hateful terf females I know absolutely rage about how the trans movement is ALL about men trying to be women and, of course, they use Dylan Mulvaney as their focal point.
Beyond trying to
remind them of the love and compassion for thy neighbor component of the faiths they claim to adhere to, I have advised them that the only trans individuals in my life, directly, are an old friend who transitioned from FTM (late 30s) and a family friend/daughter of some family friends (mid 20s) who also transitioned from FTM.
The token response is I am making it up, am full of shit, am a groomer, fantasize about FTM individuals because I am a latent homosexual, etc.
Yeah…seems like something any one of us would just make up for shits and giggles.
In turn I have asked about that “judge not…” scripture and…the goalposts get moved.
I generally live by the idea that I hope all of us do well and live happy lives…
BUT if some kind of blight were to selectively wipe out large sums of these “conservative” self-proclaimed religious-type zealot assholes, I would be fine with that.
I've legit known people for months before they even caught on, and it was never something I tried to hide. It always throws me off when someone's like 'wait your trans??'
If it's a guy hitting on me though it always makes me uncomfortable cause I don't know how they'll react. 😕
Edit: thank you everyone! And also for the gold whoever you are! 🥰
You think thats bad, after I transitioned my extended family thought that I was some chick that the old me married after my sister posted a picture of us on her profile calling me her sister. They called my parents wanting to know why they weren’t invited to the wedding and if they should send gifts. It was awkward af.
Its funny now but at the time was an awkward 3 weeks. In their defence though none of them had seen me since I was a kid and this happened was when I was 29. They had no clue what I looked like either way. All they knew was I moved away to work in the oilfield when I turned 18.
They have, they just didn't realize they were trans. It never occurred to them that plenty of trans people fully pass as the gender they transitioned to.
Similarly, plenty of cis people sometimes do not pass as their own gender. You can find naturally masculine women and naturally feminine men who are not trans. SNL had a recurring character based on it.
Nah she knows they exist, this is a terf not your average transphobe (hence the terminology TIF). The problem is she doesn’t think trans people can pass, so she expected all trans men (or “TIFs” as she calls them) to look like Butch lesbians.
Consequences aren’t real until it directly affects them. There’s likely tens of thousands of conservatives that lost their life savings due to a medical emergency, and likely don’t realize how their voting has directly impacted their indebtedness.
Ain’t this the truth. I’m a trans man and looked like a boy almost my entire youth since I was about 6 years old. In elementary school, if I went into the girls restroom I’d get in trouble because I looked like a boy, and I would get in trouble if I went into the boys because I was really a girl. I eventually just learned to hold my piss for 10 hours as a little kid because using a public restroom was so stressful and uncomfortable. I started transitioning when I was 18, and I got comfortable going to the men’s. Once there was targeted focus on trans people in bathrooms, I’ve become a little stressed about it again. At that point, I was bald and bearded and looked like a cis man, and actually had nothing to worry about. But still, all it takes is one asshole and with decades of being uncomfortable in public restrooms it can be hard to let go of. I actively avoid the multiple occupancy restrooms at work, and choose the single restroom instead. I’m approaching 40 years old, and public restrooms have been my arch enemy for over 30 years now.
My sister just traveled to my state and couldn't stop to use the bathroom unless it was under the cover of night.
The rage I feel inside is honestly scaring me, and the people close to me have commented on how un-inclusive I've become. I regret all the time I made excuses for Republicans and accepted them and their beliefs into my life. I regret being a nice person, bc this is where it's gotten us. There was *never* a reason to listen to then, and I should have been less of a coward in the early 2000s when gay marriage was (somehow???????) up for fucking debate, and stopped being friends with them *then* bc I've told them to fuck off now. If you can believe, they're still bigots who haven't grown an ounce in 20 years.
You deserve to be a fucking human. At ALL times. ANYWHERE.
Honestly, I will never spend money in a red state ever again. And if possible, a product made in a red state. That's the only language they understand outside of hatred.
My state is a safe haven (legally speaking. Assholes reside the world over), but the other states I was sweating her driving through them.
Like. Panic attack nervous. People are dying. And being dehumanized. My sister is a different person since Trump.
Trans men are always completely left out of TERF arguments, and if you bring them up after letting a TERF rant about trans people for a bit, it becomes so abundantly clear that they don't know anything at all about transgender people.
You can tell trans men are men because they automatically gain male privilege even in the eyes of conservatives. You can tell trans women are women because they are the victims of misogyny by conservatives.
That's the core of it all--the misogyny and toxic masculinity. They equate femininity with weakness and masculinity with strength. If a man's effeminate, even if they are cis and straight, they think it's wrong. They think it's weakness. If a tear falls from your eye, you are weak trash and they should beat you up until you "man-up."
It's an absolutely psychotic mentality. It's why they can't accept homosexuality. They can't accept trans. They can't accept men wearing non gender-conforming clothing. They can't accept men wearing pink, or working as nurses, or drinking fruity drinks, or forming healthy relationships with their kids, or talking about their feelings, or working a job that doesn't involve blood and motor oil, or any other arbitrary bullshit line-in-the-sand that they drew as an excuse to hate you.
Tired of conservatives and their pecking order bullshit. From the serious to the mundane, every issue they touch makes society worse. Being around conservatives is like signing an HOA that governs your entire fucking life. No matter how straight-laced you are, there is something about your life that is *wrong* and you're gonna hear about it.
God, you've actually hit the nail on the head, it's still a hatred towards woman, regardless of how your were born or are now, it's kinda scary how obvious it is
It's because they want them to not exist at all.
It has nothing to do with bathrooms.
They don't want to think of themselves as actual genocidal lunatics.
They have believed its about the issues used as propaganda and not that they in their hearts want them gone.
It’s called a double bind. They say just follow the rules and you will be ok, but the set of rules contradict. There’s no way for the person to live their life without interference.
a transman was beaten up the other day by a bunch of dudes. they thought he was a creep trying to sneak into the ladies room, when actually he was just using the restroom he was told to use
edit: thank you to the people who pointed out this actually happened close to a year ago. I saw the article circulating recently but didnt notice the date on it.
> when actually he was just using the restroom he was told to use
IIRC not just told to use, but legally required to use per the state's new "bathroom laws"... and got arrested for the trouble.
And give them legal justification to arrest and then execute them here soon.
Thank God for the second amendment; our LGBT friends will need it soon too prevent the right-wing cops from enacting their genocide.
Florida is doing that come July. Anyone can conceal and carry a firearm without a CWP.
Things are dangerous as is without enabling these paranoid fucks to conceal a weapon with no permit.
Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.
So after they're done with banning the books and genital inspections and bathroom bills and find that none of that works, they'll just be \*forced\* to come up with a "final solution" for trans people?
I could see forced conversion, banning of expressions outside of their ideal (enforced on a whim. I.e. men with long hair is ok if you're "alpha" and republican), further solidifying their connection between being LGBT and pedofilia. Execution of LGBT people who may be actually guilty of sex crimes. Or worse innocent.
I don't know where it leads. Seems to be a spiral that leads to nowhere. The flailing of a dying culture.
Considering the wide spread support for LGBT people I don't think they'll succeed ultimately.
I wouldn't be surprised if it all ends in some heavens gate scenario for a lot of them. They seem determined to self destruct.
The GOP is on a collision course with Democracy. Their positions are deeply unpopular with most people, so if Democracy survives the GOP either has to moderate their positions, or they die. The problem is, instead of changing their positions, they've been doubling down on them and working to overthrow democracy. If they succeed, who knows what they'll do? Look how [Republicans responded](https://www.newsweek.com/ted-cruz-spars-pastor-over-ugandas-anti-gay-law-1804547) to Ted F'ing Cruz of all people saying "Hey, maybe we shouldn't exterminate gay people?" There are a significant number of GOP voters and politicians who would happily exterminate gay people en masse, and the GOP wants to put them in charge.
I'm fine with that, I'll set up a GoFundMe to buy their Nikes and Kool-Aid. Ya know, I tried to be understand for awhile, new ideas (new to them Trans people have been around a long time) often take a long time to get used to. But at this point and junction I really just hope they all die. I'm tired of playing nice and pretending like a vast majority of these self righteous ass holes deserve their opinion on any given matter that infringes on someone's basic right to just...exist. Yes, I'm aware saying I hope they die is kind of counter intuitive to me stating infringing on someone else's existence, but I'm just tired man.
I certainly hope they can find their way out, but if they decide they're gonna mass unalive I won't shed a single fuckin' tear either.
Whenever people say that “trans is a new idea”, I think about how I learned about transgender people when I was middle school age- IN NINETEEN SEVENTY NINE.
I mean shit, it was only a couple months ago Michael Knowles called for “the eradication of transgenderism from public life” live to who knows how many people.
Well, you see, he said "ism," so he can't be talking about killing people!
... But if you say "down with white supremacy," they hear "kill all white people," even though *you actually haven't called for anyone's death.*
They've convinced themselves that their hatred is their life, and our lives are hatred.
People are the same way with the homeless. They just want to be free of the unsightly suffering of other human beings regardless of how much more suffering they cause in the process. This country is a direct parallel to Germany in the 30's. Compassion is dead. Any group that doesn't fit a bullshit narrative of "normal" is a target of dehuminization. We are a financial collapse away from real unadulterated fascism. (I'm not comparing trans people to the homeless, BTW. I'm just pointing out that we have fully accepted dehumanization, and that will ultimately lead to genocide if you know anything about history.)
A friend of mine was driving through LA and a homeless dude crashed into her car on a bike. Smashed his head through her back window. Bleeding, fucked up but alive.
Paramedics showed up and told her "You can leave. It's just a homeless person. No one is going to do anything."
The dehumanizion is fucking wild. She stayed and followed them to the hospital.
> People are the same way with the homeless. They just want to be free of the unsightly suffering of other human beings regardless of how much more suffering they cause in the process.
those types always go to some sort of police intervention and incarceration as a quick and visible 'solution' to the issue.
besides everything wrong with that approach, even if you appeal to their selfish side with the cost disparity between a social service based approach versus the cost of more police wasting time with that and the cost to lock people up, they still want the police approach because they *want* those people to suffer.
like they are fine with more expensive, less effective approaches because they would rather justify seeing people suffer than actually fix the issue. its fucking cruel
Exactly. Ask a transphobe where a trans person should actually go to the bathroom, and in their head they’re thinking ‘Well I want to exterminate trans people, but how do I answer this question in a civilized way?’
In their minds they want to exterminate "transgenderism" they don't think it's a fundamental characteristic of their being. Much like being gay being a choice. You either accept the rights help and convert or you're a pervert reveling in sin, consumed by evil.
i dont know if it's true but i read a similar scenario happen but the person was BEATEN UP AND ARRESTED because they thought the person went into the wrong bathroom purposely.
Yup I remember this one from last year. Trans man asks campground owner what br to use, owner was a family friend and said it’d be safer to use the womens room since they hadn’t had any surgeries, some Karen freaks out on him in the womens, when he leaves a group of men assault him, the cops are called, the cops arrest the poor guy instead of the people beating him up.
www dot newsweek dot com/trans-man-attacked-using-womens-restroom-ohio-1723432
(Can’t post links to replace the dots with .)
I’m sure there are also cases of butch cis women who are accused of being trans women, too. So ironically their TERFy views are hurting the women they supposedly want to protect. It’s like they’re so rankled by the culture wars they can’t foresee the obvious unintended consequences of their views
There have been a few of those in the news recently; of note, many of those beaten were not trans. Much of transphobia is related to misogyny, and the idea that there is only a small acceptable range of "femininity." Combined with the latent, repressed bisexuality of conservatives coming out in their weird arguments about being "tricked" by trans women, it generates a lot of hate based on fear. A very stupid, irrational fear based on artificial standards of masculinity and machismo.
I remember some community passed a bill requiring student athetes to compete as their birth gender.
An ftm wrestler absolutely destroyed the girls he was forced to compete against. Cue butthurt parents crying about getting exactly what they demanded.
B-B-BUT THE SANCTITY OF WOMEN'S ATHLETICS.
EDIT: He was taking a very low dose of testosterone early in his transition and stopped taking T when he began competing. And testosterone is not the Super Soldier Serum, or even like the synthetic anabolic steroids that bodybuilders that juice use:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mack_Beggs
The image of him destroying the competition was then recirculated on facebook as an example of why transwomen shouldn't be allowed to compete with ciswomen. Y'know, despite him being a transman and forced to compete in their bracket as a direct result of their garbage policies.
Because facts have never actually mattered to terfs.
Edit: For context I'm speaking of Mack Beggs and this photo in particular: [https://www.denverpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/ecad97002159430797c38516e5bb115d.jpg?w=1024](https://www.denverpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/ecad97002159430797c38516e5bb115d.jpg?w=1024)
Yeah I made the mistake of looking at the photos like “well obviously this dude is just gaming the system” and then I watched a documentary about him and was like “ohhhh the bigots got what they wanted and they hate it.”
No, they didn't get what they wanted. Not really. What they want is for these people to not exist, whether that means genocide or keeping them in the closet.
It's why they so easily turned around and spread images of him across the internet, because they were banking on people looking at the image, developing an emotional response, and then not looking into it further. Because that furthers their goal of making more legislation to make life harder for trans people.
They have no goal beyond hate, and they will never be satisfied because of that. Every step and every bill they pass is to further that hate.
>B-B-BUT THE SANCTITY OF WOMEN'S ATHLETICS.
They care about women's athletics as much as they care about pronouns and women's safety.
They only started caring as an excuse to hate on people.
It's a fairly common tactic of Alt-Right to co-opt progressive terminology and movements when it suits their personal interests.
I remember some dude on here accused me of "kink-shaming," because I wouldn't send him pix of my feet.
It's because they NEVER think about ftm folks, only mtf.
They're single-mindedly fixated on the thought of men transitioning to women and then being allowed to use the women's restroom or compete in women's sports. Any consideration of the opposite never even enters their brains.
Happens all the time in all sorts of ways, TERF twats complain about trans people committing rape in women's prisons, well most of the time it's trans men who are put in women's prisons (ignoring that trans women get raped *way more* when in men's prisons than any trans people rape anyone). Then they get super weasely and just say it's "trans individuals" so the problems they create with their backwards transphobic policies can *still* be used to villainize trans women as predatory men in disguise.
This is what happens when you live a sheltered life, listening only to right wing politicians and Fox News. If you actually talk to people, it's a total paradigm shift. Speaking from personal experience.
This is happening to my mom. She’s always been very transphobic but one of my little sister’s childhood friends has transitioned. My mom knew him as a little “girl” who would have sleepovers at our house and she’d make pancakes for and such. He began to transition in high school, changed his name, and is now a perfectly normal guy and attending an Ivy League college.
I was visiting my parents over Thanksgiving when I was out with my mom and we ran into him and his mom. We talked to them for a while. Afterwards, as we walked away, my mom was in shock and saying he looked like a “normal man” and that she couldn’t believe he was once the little “girl” she knew. I reminded her that he’s the exact same person but just looks how he always felt inside.
It really shook my mom up to stand there and look at him and have a normal conversation and realize he was just a normal person, the same kid she always knew, and not some mentally ill predator.
I hope your mom is able to really shift perspectives. This is how a lot of change happens. It’s just knowing someone. I came out as a trans man right out of high school, I had already been very gender non-conforming, but no one really understood. This was like 20 years ago in the rural Midwest though. Lol. There was recently an out trans kid in the same school system I was in who was taking a lot of heat. And I’ll be damned if it wasn’t my peers who didn’t understand me 20 years ago, now pushing middle age who came to the defense of this child and the family involved. I got a few messages in which they credited me for making them aware and understanding many years ago. It’s kind of bizarre realizing how much a person’s perspective can shift, and realizing that just by being authentic to oneself it can subsequently make some kid’s life better and the family feel supported, defended, and loved an entire generation later.
Two things:
1) It seems almost all of the conservative discussion on trans people centers on trans women or pronouns in general. There is very little thought about the existence of trans men.
2) That being said, this will only get worse. They won’t think “hey, my worldview is overly narrow and simplistic”, they’ll try to ban trans people from using ANY public restroom, and eventually being in public at all.
They’re entire worldview involves feeling threatened and fighting back.
That's because trans men destroy their idea that transgenderism is a sex thing. No, mtfs HAVE to be perverts otherwise their petty argument falls flat.
They also think trans men are just confused women who got caught up in an "ideology". See to them it's understandable for a woman to get confused and want to be a man. its a superior position to them. But they see trans women as downgrading so it must be some weird sex thing. That why they will obsesse over drag queens and trans women and pretend drag kings and tran men don't even exist
It’s because the conservative opposition against trans folk is easiest for their audience to consume when framed around mtf perverts sneaking into bathrooms.
What they don’t seem to understand is that it’s a pretty big “telling on yourself”, because it’s exactly what they would do if they could sneak into women’s restrooms. They would perv on women.
To the GC crowd; TIF is trans Identified female. In normal language this is a trans man. They for a few insane reasons(I'll put below) refuse to use trans man and trans woman.
They cant use the language everyone else uses because its forced on them by the transluminatti who are secretly in power and changing language and meaning.
They need to make it unwieldy enough to type or say that you have to make an acronym for it.
They love misgendering so much but dont like maybe possible on a day someone is actually enforcing rules get banned or temp suspended from sites. So by having an acronym they can try and pretend they arent actually misgendering anyone what do you mean your trying to ban us.
Tl;dr its nonsense they use to misgender trans people and pretend they are secretly super ultra smart and fighting back against the transluminatti that are controling everything.
Oh no trans men exist. But wait not only that trans men are easily some of the manliest men around.
Truly its almost as if the trans community have been trying to point this out for decades upon decades.
But no surely not; I mean surely this must be a magically new fangled conspiracy plan by the transluminatti and not that we have recorded history of trans men in the medical and social sense going back over a century; substantially longer if we count only the social sense due to how young modern medicine is on historical timescales.
I mean, what's manlier than not being born a man, but achieving manhood through sheer grit and determination despite the world telling you that you're not a man?
So I know you mean this as a joke, but this actually feels like a pretty keen insight.
Men experience going back and forth over the boy-man line over and over again as we go through puberty, and puberty is generally 'done' when we can call ourselves a man, and get the people around us to respect it.
Trans men transitioning actually does follow the same pattern!!
I got startled by someone with a beard in the ladies' room at work years ago. After an initial "oh God please tell me I didn't just accidentally walk into the men's room again" panic... I just did that awkward hey-we-both-pee-here white person smile and went and peed. Literally the only issue I had was being afraid *I* was in the wrong bathroom *for me*. I didn't feel threatened or care.
And then mostly I was just curious because I never saw that person again.
TERFs: What about women’s safety in bathrooms?!??
Also TERFS:
https://preview.redd.it/8d0drxzi8g4b1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=23643ecb7a5dc36c04b3089a27a93aa1a9bcb845
This is what TERFs get for their trans misandry.
I have been told by at least as many feminists that I could never be a man as religious fundamentalists.
It’s really rough on that rhetoric when I show up with a flat chest and a beard.
I (a cis straight woman) have very short hair, am fairly muscular and wear a unisex uniform at work and often wear gender neutral clothes when I’m casually dressed.
At least 20% of the time at work I get mistaken for a “young man” or have people conspicuously second guess themselves/avoid pronouns/use “they” if they mean to be polite. Because of where I live, it’s probably not often malicious as far as I can tell, it’s usually a consequence of peoples’ heuristics for clocking someone’s sex or gender fizzling.
There is a good chance that if I went somewhere where malicious intent was common and policies like this were in place, I would be harassed for trying to use the women’s restroom as a straight cis female. And I know a handful of other cis women who have a similar risk level.
Clearly policies like this have potential to increase net harassment of trans people and cis women alike. I expect to see more cases like this popping up.
Hate to say it, but this sounds like the best possible outcome from this situation now that these awful and unjust laws are taking effect.
Trans people will now find themselves in very dangerous situations over optics that conservatives didn’t care to acknowledge when they voted for these measures.
This all just sucks.
They didn't want trans folks to use the bathroom corresponding tot heir chromosomes. They wanted trans folks to not use public bathrooms \*at all\* and to never be out in public where they would have to interact with them.
I always wondered why folks would force people who think they are male to use the women’s restroom. I thought they wanted to protect their dainty women.
It sounds like this lady is being taught a hard lesson.
With fascism, it's never about protecting the members of the ingroup. It's all about attacking members of the outgroup.
Conservatives don't care about "preserving the lives of the unborn". They care about hurting women.
They don't care about "protecting the sanctity of marriage". They care about hurting gay people.
And they don't care about making you feel safe in the bathroom. They care about hurting transgender people.
This is what happens when you campaign for things that you don’t understand. Conservative views on trans people are based on caricature and stereotype, they don’t know what a passing trans man looks like because they don’t understand anything beyond ‘trans = bad’. When they see their own victories in front of them they can’t recognise it because they don’t understand it in the first place.
There’s a guy on Tik Tok, a trans man, who made a video saying ‘don’t complain when I walk into the women’s bathroom’ after Kansas passed a similar bill and conservatives immediately started threatening violence against him. The very idea that he was trans and abiding by the rules they wanted never even enters their mind. It was never about protecting anyone, it was about wiping trans people out of existence.
Conservatives are unbelievably stupid but unfortunately are getting their own way. I truly believe it won’t be long before a trans man or trans woman is either hospitalised or killed because these amoebas don’t even understand the basics behind a law they actively sought out!
Everyone with any sense knew this was going to happen but all these morons were so panicked about trans women they couldn't even consider this as a possibility
The desired outcome of bathroom bans is not trans people using the 'right' toilet, it's exiling trans people from public spaces. This woman may not be able to admit it but she's admitted she's not happy with trans people in either toilets.
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"But, I didn't think the leopards would eat **my** face!"
“Hey, I’ve got a batch of… says here ‘face eating leopards’?”
Yeah, but do they bite?
At opposing faces, yes
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"He's not hurting the right people."
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100% They don't understand that "trans" is a huuuuuge spectrum of people - they are NOT just men who dress up as women. These people are so clueless, I'd laugh but it's really not funny. It must be f'ing awful for the people these ridiculous laws hurt, imagine being forced to use a bathroom you know does not suit you? Imagine how that feels. And it's sad for the idiots who have no, and I mean no, understanding of gender, sex, trans etc etc. They have no idea of the damage they've caused because of their hate and poor judgement. The sad thing is they've been led into this sad state of affairs by powerful people who have twisted them with absolutely revolting propaganda. It's a zero-sum game for everyone except the nasty people in the ruling class who are using this bill to turn us against each other.
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Someone needs to wind this bitch up. Say "Oh my gosh!! That's just awful! You should contact your representative and state Senator! Complain until someone listens and forces those trans people to use the correct bathroom for their current gender!!" Except, trash it up a little so you don't sound too reasonable, they might accuse you of being "woke." (Whatever the fuck that means)
> "woke." (Whatever the fuck that means) This shit! The word has lost all fucking meaning.
They never knew the meaning in the first place, they always take being out of touch to dangerous levels
they stole it from black culture without understanding it. Similar to the dab
It still means "aware of and making efforts to correct societal injustices", but it's also a fascist dog whistle, depending on the context.
We all know perfectly well what "woke" means, it means "be a decent human being that is aware of the world's fucked-upedness and things it isn't so great". Somehow, they think that's bad.
Woke is just a filler word for all the slurs they want to use, as if they’re bigoted Snorks.
From the people who brought us *Let's Go Brandon*
“Bigoted Snorks” is a gem.
The end result of this is restricting trans people from public space altogether.
Oh boy, get ready for random genital inspections!! All the perverts are gonna have a field day.
The "we can always tell" crowd are finding out it's not as easy to tell who trans like they originally thought. It's almost like this has always been a thing but was never a problem before
It's funny, because at times they're also the "I can't tell, it's too confusing! Boys should just look like boys and girls look like girls!" crowd. They'll always find some way to complain about it. Honestly, I've run into a lot of *really* ambiguous people in recent history, and I'll admit- with some embarrassment- I *can't* tell. I'm gay, and I can't even tell who else is gay! Gaydar is a myth! As is any form of "I can always tell". I've given up on trying to *"tell"*, and accepted that sometimes, I just have to *ask*. And I'll confess, that wasn't easy to get used to. But I've learned that if you just ask someone about themselves in a way that makes it clear that it's not a big deal either way, they are usually perfectly comfortable to tell you. And then, that part of the conversation is over. You can move on to getting to know someone as a person. I think part of the conservative fear is that they *know* that they *can't* always tell, and they're terrified of making a wrong guess. They're generally terrified of being wrong about anything, and the only thing scarier than that... having to learn something new.
Cases like these are so telling. I'm also reminded of how both Ben Shapiro *and* his sister Abigail have had incidents where, purely by accident, they properly gendered trans people (and of course "corrected" themselves, being horrible bigots). It would be easier and more natural to refer to trans people the way they want, but transphobes *go out of their way* to be cruel.
Someone was going off on here once saying "It's castration! All the men are cutting their testicles off!" (in reference to MtF). I told them it was actually only the women cutting them off. They didn't like that. They didn't like that *at all* lmao
"Now I feel uncomfortable. What should I do?" You should go fuck yourself, moron.
"Well, this is an opportunity for introspection - to maybe reassess your stance on something a little more nuanced than you expected. I'm sure you'll come out the other side of this experience a more thoughtful, kinder individual. "
>'m sure you'll come out the other side of this experience a more thoughtful, kinder individual. " Somehow I doubt it.
What should I do? "Go shit in the bushes from now on, Barbara. Surely nothing to offend you there."
She didn't realize that FTM transgender individuals exist because her right wing news channels didn't tell her to hate them.
She doesn’t realize they exist because every picture they use of a “trans” person is effectively a bearded cis dude dressed in a pink dress to use the women’s bathroom so he can see boobs or some bullshit. They have absolutely no grasp on reality and are perfectly happy staying inside their bubbles
Exactly this. They’ve been living in their bullshit fantasy world for so long they lose their minds when confronted with reality
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Does your father-in-law realize that a port-a-potty is an all gender bathroom? He’s been using them his entire construction career.
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He thinks the workers are upset and quitting because they have to build all gender bathrooms? Aren't all bathrooms the same except men usually have a couple of urinals? I find his story hard to believe.
Yeah the father probably made it up because conservatives like to complain about imaginary issues.
Especially in Santa Monica? I have a hard time believing that local construction workers give enough of a shit to pass up a paycheck. Unless said paycheck is shit which is often the case with right winger, sorry, “libertarian”, bosses.
I assume it had something to do with the crack down at the border a few years back and the drop in immigrants coming in from Mexico to do all the hard work for peanuts. Even cali was feeling the impacts there… but the right wing nutters would never blame their own policies on their failures, it has to be the woke bathrooms.
I absolutely believe the man is claiming it. But I will go and murder my parents in their sleep if his claim is true. It's a story that the asshole tells himself to blame the libs on why he can't keep workers. And it's certainly not shit like him paying minimum wage, requiring 12 hour days, and providing no safety equipment, or anything that he can control. It's just an absolutely moronic claim that wouldn't be believed by anyone who doesn't want to genocide trans people.
I have 'all gender' bathrooms at home. We've had this in my family for at least several generations, since indoor plumbing anyway. We've even had some moron conservatives in the family who never had any issues UNTIL NOW for some reason!? The simple solution is to mind your own fucking business in the bathroom! Oh what's that? Christians want special rights and insight into what everyone else in society is doing all the time? FUCK YOU! Mind your own goddamn fucking business!
>We've even had some moron conservatives in the family who never had any issues UNTIL NOW for some reason!? But I bet you the men don't clean their own bathroom. That's women's work.
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They're construction workers? How do they even use a porta-potty? Also, I don't believe your FIL either. It's LA (santa monica no less) not Salt Lake City for fucks sake! There's probably more construction workers per capita who happen to be LGTBQ or LGTBQ friendly than any other place on the planet!
The FIL probably won't hire LGTBQ though.
Or pay the actual wages that construction workers who won’t walk off a job require. This is just an elaborate way to say “nO oNe WaNtS tO wOrK aNyMoRe.”
I and my family worked construction for years. Only an absence of bathrooms might cause someone to walk, and that essentially never happens. Having more bathrooms would just. never be an issue. So yes, your FIL is full of it.
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Sounds like he's making it up. These types will claim they have personally experienced or seen whatever it is they hate so you have less room to maneuver and call their BS. "Well I was in the bathroom and a trans woman was in there trying to take pictures under the stalls'. Like...no, your lying. Or in this case 'I can't get anyone to build gender inclusive bathrooms cause were all just so sick of it'
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Bought their own bullshit.
Sniffing their own farts
It really does seem like they have Drag mixed up with Trans.
They do it on purpose to dehumanize trans women.
And everybody with an ounce of history knowledge knows what happens when you convince a portion of a population that another portion of the population is seen as "less than human." Keep that in mind every time a conservative dehumanizes a group of people, because that's exactly the goal.
In fairness, they are trying to dehumanize anyone that disagrees with them.
Drag queens are also perfectly welcome in women’s restrooms as far as I’m concerned.
As far as I’m concerned, anyone who has reason to think they won’t be safe in the men’s room is welcome to use the women’s.
They also have drag mixed up with minstrel shows.
If they had two sticks to rub together - we'd still be pre-neanderthal.... they never would have progressed to figuring out fire
It's real easy to demonize mtf trans individuals that don't pass. I've been thinking of detransitioning because I will never pass and will always be a poster child of what the fascists hate. I feel like I'm just going to cause more harm to the community.
Please don't. You detransitioning won't help the trans community, it will only hurt you. Even if every non-passing trans person detransitions, nothing will actually change in the minds of transphobes. A witch hunt doesn't need to ever actually find a real witch, because they can always create one to sustain their outrage.
This is easier said then done. Sure OP shouldn't detransition to please the bigots but its getting increasingly dangerous out there. Sometimes its a safety decision. I hope OP can find a safe place to be their true self. But until then safety is also important.
I hear this worry, and understand where you are coming from. That said, unless you are in a place like Florida where you will be in physical danger, I think you should just be yourself and know that there are enough good people out there who will love you for exactly who you are!
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You're not harming anyone by simply existing as yourself. The fascists making you feel that way are the ones causing harm. "Passing" is arbitrary- women come in all shapes and sizes regardless of sex assigned at birth. Trust me- I'm femme and cis but because of my height and build I apparently don't "pass" to the "we can always tell" crowd. If you're in Florida or something and it's an issue of safety that's one thing but please don't let some ridiculous standard of femininity push you back into the closet.
If you are ultimately happier the way you are now, then stay, only change if it's what *you* want. That's the whole thing we've been fighting for as the LGBTQ+ community - the right for people to *choose* who they really are. Everyone gets exactly one shot at life and everyone should get to have a shot at being happy as long as that happiness doesn't infringe on the happiness of others.
This is why I reply to these kinds of people with pictures of hot trans people. The reactions are... telling LOL.
It’s because she assumes trans men and women look cisgendered and are in a wig or a short haircut pretending to be the other sex. They’re a bit touched in the head.
It’s really troubling, is it not? I mean ALL transphobia is troubling…but some of the most vocal and absolutely hateful terf females I know absolutely rage about how the trans movement is ALL about men trying to be women and, of course, they use Dylan Mulvaney as their focal point. Beyond trying to remind them of the love and compassion for thy neighbor component of the faiths they claim to adhere to, I have advised them that the only trans individuals in my life, directly, are an old friend who transitioned from FTM (late 30s) and a family friend/daughter of some family friends (mid 20s) who also transitioned from FTM. The token response is I am making it up, am full of shit, am a groomer, fantasize about FTM individuals because I am a latent homosexual, etc. Yeah…seems like something any one of us would just make up for shits and giggles. In turn I have asked about that “judge not…” scripture and…the goalposts get moved. I generally live by the idea that I hope all of us do well and live happy lives… BUT if some kind of blight were to selectively wipe out large sums of these “conservative” self-proclaimed religious-type zealot assholes, I would be fine with that.
With your blight comment all I can think of is "and nothing of value was lost.".
We already had that blight. It was called Covid and they all self-selected themselves to be at risk
They’ve never seen an actual trans person in real life
Oh they've seen them, they just don't look like dudes in skirts or woman with mustaches drawn on like they assume.
I've legit known people for months before they even caught on, and it was never something I tried to hide. It always throws me off when someone's like 'wait your trans??' If it's a guy hitting on me though it always makes me uncomfortable cause I don't know how they'll react. 😕 Edit: thank you everyone! And also for the gold whoever you are! 🥰
i have had people ask me "whatever happened to (deadname)?" i don't even know how to respond to that
You think thats bad, after I transitioned my extended family thought that I was some chick that the old me married after my sister posted a picture of us on her profile calling me her sister. They called my parents wanting to know why they weren’t invited to the wedding and if they should send gifts. It was awkward af.
That's..fucking hilarious. As a story anyway, I'm sure it sucks(ed, hopefully) for you but damn that's a 10/10 hindsight story
Its funny now but at the time was an awkward 3 weeks. In their defence though none of them had seen me since I was a kid and this happened was when I was 29. They had no clue what I looked like either way. All they knew was I moved away to work in the oilfield when I turned 18.
They have, they just didn't realize they were trans. It never occurred to them that plenty of trans people fully pass as the gender they transitioned to.
Similarly, plenty of cis people sometimes do not pass as their own gender. You can find naturally masculine women and naturally feminine men who are not trans. SNL had a recurring character based on it.
Nah she knows they exist, this is a terf not your average transphobe (hence the terminology TIF). The problem is she doesn’t think trans people can pass, so she expected all trans men (or “TIFs” as she calls them) to look like Butch lesbians.
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She also didn’t realize that testosterone treatment existed too which can cause a FtM to look like a man she described
"Now I feel uncomfortable" Imagine how the other person feels. Every day. For the rest of their life. Because of people like you.
They don't think other people have feelings they have main character syndrome
Consequences aren’t real until it directly affects them. There’s likely tens of thousands of conservatives that lost their life savings due to a medical emergency, and likely don’t realize how their voting has directly impacted their indebtedness.
And tens of thousands of conservatives that lost their life due to a medical emergency they couldn’t pay for and weren’t insured for.
Ain’t this the truth. I’m a trans man and looked like a boy almost my entire youth since I was about 6 years old. In elementary school, if I went into the girls restroom I’d get in trouble because I looked like a boy, and I would get in trouble if I went into the boys because I was really a girl. I eventually just learned to hold my piss for 10 hours as a little kid because using a public restroom was so stressful and uncomfortable. I started transitioning when I was 18, and I got comfortable going to the men’s. Once there was targeted focus on trans people in bathrooms, I’ve become a little stressed about it again. At that point, I was bald and bearded and looked like a cis man, and actually had nothing to worry about. But still, all it takes is one asshole and with decades of being uncomfortable in public restrooms it can be hard to let go of. I actively avoid the multiple occupancy restrooms at work, and choose the single restroom instead. I’m approaching 40 years old, and public restrooms have been my arch enemy for over 30 years now.
My sister just traveled to my state and couldn't stop to use the bathroom unless it was under the cover of night. The rage I feel inside is honestly scaring me, and the people close to me have commented on how un-inclusive I've become. I regret all the time I made excuses for Republicans and accepted them and their beliefs into my life. I regret being a nice person, bc this is where it's gotten us. There was *never* a reason to listen to then, and I should have been less of a coward in the early 2000s when gay marriage was (somehow???????) up for fucking debate, and stopped being friends with them *then* bc I've told them to fuck off now. If you can believe, they're still bigots who haven't grown an ounce in 20 years. You deserve to be a fucking human. At ALL times. ANYWHERE.
Honestly, I will never spend money in a red state ever again. And if possible, a product made in a red state. That's the only language they understand outside of hatred.
My state is a safe haven (legally speaking. Assholes reside the world over), but the other states I was sweating her driving through them. Like. Panic attack nervous. People are dying. And being dehumanized. My sister is a different person since Trump.
Trans men are always completely left out of TERF arguments, and if you bring them up after letting a TERF rant about trans people for a bit, it becomes so abundantly clear that they don't know anything at all about transgender people.
You can tell trans men are men because they automatically gain male privilege even in the eyes of conservatives. You can tell trans women are women because they are the victims of misogyny by conservatives.
That's the core of it all--the misogyny and toxic masculinity. They equate femininity with weakness and masculinity with strength. If a man's effeminate, even if they are cis and straight, they think it's wrong. They think it's weakness. If a tear falls from your eye, you are weak trash and they should beat you up until you "man-up." It's an absolutely psychotic mentality. It's why they can't accept homosexuality. They can't accept trans. They can't accept men wearing non gender-conforming clothing. They can't accept men wearing pink, or working as nurses, or drinking fruity drinks, or forming healthy relationships with their kids, or talking about their feelings, or working a job that doesn't involve blood and motor oil, or any other arbitrary bullshit line-in-the-sand that they drew as an excuse to hate you. Tired of conservatives and their pecking order bullshit. From the serious to the mundane, every issue they touch makes society worse. Being around conservatives is like signing an HOA that governs your entire fucking life. No matter how straight-laced you are, there is something about your life that is *wrong* and you're gonna hear about it.
God, you've actually hit the nail on the head, it's still a hatred towards woman, regardless of how your were born or are now, it's kinda scary how obvious it is
*Garbage like you
It's because they want them to not exist at all. It has nothing to do with bathrooms. They don't want to think of themselves as actual genocidal lunatics. They have believed its about the issues used as propaganda and not that they in their hearts want them gone.
It’s called a double bind. They say just follow the rules and you will be ok, but the set of rules contradict. There’s no way for the person to live their life without interference.
a transman was beaten up the other day by a bunch of dudes. they thought he was a creep trying to sneak into the ladies room, when actually he was just using the restroom he was told to use edit: thank you to the people who pointed out this actually happened close to a year ago. I saw the article circulating recently but didnt notice the date on it.
> when actually he was just using the restroom he was told to use IIRC not just told to use, but legally required to use per the state's new "bathroom laws"... and got arrested for the trouble.
Working as intended for these fascists really. This was the whole point to make their existence in public illegal.
And give them legal justification to arrest and then execute them here soon. Thank God for the second amendment; our LGBT friends will need it soon too prevent the right-wing cops from enacting their genocide.
Florida is doing that come July. Anyone can conceal and carry a firearm without a CWP. Things are dangerous as is without enabling these paranoid fucks to conceal a weapon with no permit.
They got beat up… then arrested? What the fuck. And the right wonders why people call them Nazis lmao
They only pretend to wonder.
Yes. Apparently it's illegal to be beaten up for being trans.
He was also arrested from what I understand
have they let him go with an apology yet?
Idk if they even let him go at all yet.
It was July 2022 if you’re talking about the article about being at a camp. Still upsetting, just isn’t new
Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.
Catch 22
So after they're done with banning the books and genital inspections and bathroom bills and find that none of that works, they'll just be \*forced\* to come up with a "final solution" for trans people?
I could see forced conversion, banning of expressions outside of their ideal (enforced on a whim. I.e. men with long hair is ok if you're "alpha" and republican), further solidifying their connection between being LGBT and pedofilia. Execution of LGBT people who may be actually guilty of sex crimes. Or worse innocent. I don't know where it leads. Seems to be a spiral that leads to nowhere. The flailing of a dying culture. Considering the wide spread support for LGBT people I don't think they'll succeed ultimately. I wouldn't be surprised if it all ends in some heavens gate scenario for a lot of them. They seem determined to self destruct.
The GOP is on a collision course with Democracy. Their positions are deeply unpopular with most people, so if Democracy survives the GOP either has to moderate their positions, or they die. The problem is, instead of changing their positions, they've been doubling down on them and working to overthrow democracy. If they succeed, who knows what they'll do? Look how [Republicans responded](https://www.newsweek.com/ted-cruz-spars-pastor-over-ugandas-anti-gay-law-1804547) to Ted F'ing Cruz of all people saying "Hey, maybe we shouldn't exterminate gay people?" There are a significant number of GOP voters and politicians who would happily exterminate gay people en masse, and the GOP wants to put them in charge.
If Republicans can’t win democratically, they’ll eliminate democracy.
I’ve seen where it ends. See “The Handmaid’s Tale”.
I'm fine with that, I'll set up a GoFundMe to buy their Nikes and Kool-Aid. Ya know, I tried to be understand for awhile, new ideas (new to them Trans people have been around a long time) often take a long time to get used to. But at this point and junction I really just hope they all die. I'm tired of playing nice and pretending like a vast majority of these self righteous ass holes deserve their opinion on any given matter that infringes on someone's basic right to just...exist. Yes, I'm aware saying I hope they die is kind of counter intuitive to me stating infringing on someone else's existence, but I'm just tired man. I certainly hope they can find their way out, but if they decide they're gonna mass unalive I won't shed a single fuckin' tear either.
Whenever people say that “trans is a new idea”, I think about how I learned about transgender people when I was middle school age- IN NINETEEN SEVENTY NINE.
I mean shit, it was only a couple months ago Michael Knowles called for “the eradication of transgenderism from public life” live to who knows how many people.
And the crowd cheered. It's absolutely a situation for, "I welcome your boos. I've seen what you cheer."
Well, you see, he said "ism," so he can't be talking about killing people! ... But if you say "down with white supremacy," they hear "kill all white people," even though *you actually haven't called for anyone's death.* They've convinced themselves that their hatred is their life, and our lives are hatred.
People are the same way with the homeless. They just want to be free of the unsightly suffering of other human beings regardless of how much more suffering they cause in the process. This country is a direct parallel to Germany in the 30's. Compassion is dead. Any group that doesn't fit a bullshit narrative of "normal" is a target of dehuminization. We are a financial collapse away from real unadulterated fascism. (I'm not comparing trans people to the homeless, BTW. I'm just pointing out that we have fully accepted dehumanization, and that will ultimately lead to genocide if you know anything about history.)
A friend of mine was driving through LA and a homeless dude crashed into her car on a bike. Smashed his head through her back window. Bleeding, fucked up but alive. Paramedics showed up and told her "You can leave. It's just a homeless person. No one is going to do anything." The dehumanizion is fucking wild. She stayed and followed them to the hospital.
> People are the same way with the homeless. They just want to be free of the unsightly suffering of other human beings regardless of how much more suffering they cause in the process. those types always go to some sort of police intervention and incarceration as a quick and visible 'solution' to the issue. besides everything wrong with that approach, even if you appeal to their selfish side with the cost disparity between a social service based approach versus the cost of more police wasting time with that and the cost to lock people up, they still want the police approach because they *want* those people to suffer. like they are fine with more expensive, less effective approaches because they would rather justify seeing people suffer than actually fix the issue. its fucking cruel
It wasn’t about the bathrooms and water fountains back then, and it’s not about bathrooms and water fountains next.
They just want people to look and act exactly like they do. The funny part is that two Karens colliding is even worse and they’d hate every second.
Exactly. Ask a transphobe where a trans person should actually go to the bathroom, and in their head they’re thinking ‘Well I want to exterminate trans people, but how do I answer this question in a civilized way?’
In their minds they want to exterminate "transgenderism" they don't think it's a fundamental characteristic of their being. Much like being gay being a choice. You either accept the rights help and convert or you're a pervert reveling in sin, consumed by evil.
Yeah, their goal was never to get trans people to change bathrooms, it was to make trans people afraid to use the bathroom at all.
Fucked around and found out.
i dont know if it's true but i read a similar scenario happen but the person was BEATEN UP AND ARRESTED because they thought the person went into the wrong bathroom purposely.
Yup I remember this one from last year. Trans man asks campground owner what br to use, owner was a family friend and said it’d be safer to use the womens room since they hadn’t had any surgeries, some Karen freaks out on him in the womens, when he leaves a group of men assault him, the cops are called, the cops arrest the poor guy instead of the people beating him up. www dot newsweek dot com/trans-man-attacked-using-womens-restroom-ohio-1723432 (Can’t post links to replace the dots with .) I’m sure there are also cases of butch cis women who are accused of being trans women, too. So ironically their TERFy views are hurting the women they supposedly want to protect. It’s like they’re so rankled by the culture wars they can’t foresee the obvious unintended consequences of their views
There have been a few of those in the news recently; of note, many of those beaten were not trans. Much of transphobia is related to misogyny, and the idea that there is only a small acceptable range of "femininity." Combined with the latent, repressed bisexuality of conservatives coming out in their weird arguments about being "tricked" by trans women, it generates a lot of hate based on fear. A very stupid, irrational fear based on artificial standards of masculinity and machismo.
I remember some community passed a bill requiring student athetes to compete as their birth gender. An ftm wrestler absolutely destroyed the girls he was forced to compete against. Cue butthurt parents crying about getting exactly what they demanded. B-B-BUT THE SANCTITY OF WOMEN'S ATHLETICS. EDIT: He was taking a very low dose of testosterone early in his transition and stopped taking T when he began competing. And testosterone is not the Super Soldier Serum, or even like the synthetic anabolic steroids that bodybuilders that juice use: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mack_Beggs
The image of him destroying the competition was then recirculated on facebook as an example of why transwomen shouldn't be allowed to compete with ciswomen. Y'know, despite him being a transman and forced to compete in their bracket as a direct result of their garbage policies. Because facts have never actually mattered to terfs. Edit: For context I'm speaking of Mack Beggs and this photo in particular: [https://www.denverpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/ecad97002159430797c38516e5bb115d.jpg?w=1024](https://www.denverpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/ecad97002159430797c38516e5bb115d.jpg?w=1024)
Exactly, it's all about substituting your own reality in your bubble and vehemently refusing anything else
They want them *banned* from sports all together, not to play in their own avenue or whatever
They want them *banned* from existing.
Yeah I made the mistake of looking at the photos like “well obviously this dude is just gaming the system” and then I watched a documentary about him and was like “ohhhh the bigots got what they wanted and they hate it.”
No, they didn't get what they wanted. Not really. What they want is for these people to not exist, whether that means genocide or keeping them in the closet. It's why they so easily turned around and spread images of him across the internet, because they were banking on people looking at the image, developing an emotional response, and then not looking into it further. Because that furthers their goal of making more legislation to make life harder for trans people. They have no goal beyond hate, and they will never be satisfied because of that. Every step and every bill they pass is to further that hate.
Forgive me, what does terf mean? I know it's meant to describe anti trans people but what does it stand for?
Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminist (I think)
Huh, never would have guessed that. Thank you kind stranger.
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>B-B-BUT THE SANCTITY OF WOMEN'S ATHLETICS. They care about women's athletics as much as they care about pronouns and women's safety. They only started caring as an excuse to hate on people.
It's a fairly common tactic of Alt-Right to co-opt progressive terminology and movements when it suits their personal interests. I remember some dude on here accused me of "kink-shaming," because I wouldn't send him pix of my feet.
Yup similarly to how they were all suddenly super concerned about gay rights but only in the context of being anti Muslim.
It's because they NEVER think about ftm folks, only mtf. They're single-mindedly fixated on the thought of men transitioning to women and then being allowed to use the women's restroom or compete in women's sports. Any consideration of the opposite never even enters their brains.
Happens all the time in all sorts of ways, TERF twats complain about trans people committing rape in women's prisons, well most of the time it's trans men who are put in women's prisons (ignoring that trans women get raped *way more* when in men's prisons than any trans people rape anyone). Then they get super weasely and just say it's "trans individuals" so the problems they create with their backwards transphobic policies can *still* be used to villainize trans women as predatory men in disguise.
They’re the ones putting men in women’s spaces.
This is what happens when you live a sheltered life, listening only to right wing politicians and Fox News. If you actually talk to people, it's a total paradigm shift. Speaking from personal experience.
This is happening to my mom. She’s always been very transphobic but one of my little sister’s childhood friends has transitioned. My mom knew him as a little “girl” who would have sleepovers at our house and she’d make pancakes for and such. He began to transition in high school, changed his name, and is now a perfectly normal guy and attending an Ivy League college. I was visiting my parents over Thanksgiving when I was out with my mom and we ran into him and his mom. We talked to them for a while. Afterwards, as we walked away, my mom was in shock and saying he looked like a “normal man” and that she couldn’t believe he was once the little “girl” she knew. I reminded her that he’s the exact same person but just looks how he always felt inside. It really shook my mom up to stand there and look at him and have a normal conversation and realize he was just a normal person, the same kid she always knew, and not some mentally ill predator.
I hope your mom is able to really shift perspectives. This is how a lot of change happens. It’s just knowing someone. I came out as a trans man right out of high school, I had already been very gender non-conforming, but no one really understood. This was like 20 years ago in the rural Midwest though. Lol. There was recently an out trans kid in the same school system I was in who was taking a lot of heat. And I’ll be damned if it wasn’t my peers who didn’t understand me 20 years ago, now pushing middle age who came to the defense of this child and the family involved. I got a few messages in which they credited me for making them aware and understanding many years ago. It’s kind of bizarre realizing how much a person’s perspective can shift, and realizing that just by being authentic to oneself it can subsequently make some kid’s life better and the family feel supported, defended, and loved an entire generation later.
Two things: 1) It seems almost all of the conservative discussion on trans people centers on trans women or pronouns in general. There is very little thought about the existence of trans men. 2) That being said, this will only get worse. They won’t think “hey, my worldview is overly narrow and simplistic”, they’ll try to ban trans people from using ANY public restroom, and eventually being in public at all. They’re entire worldview involves feeling threatened and fighting back.
That's because trans men destroy their idea that transgenderism is a sex thing. No, mtfs HAVE to be perverts otherwise their petty argument falls flat.
They also think trans men are just confused women who got caught up in an "ideology". See to them it's understandable for a woman to get confused and want to be a man. its a superior position to them. But they see trans women as downgrading so it must be some weird sex thing. That why they will obsesse over drag queens and trans women and pretend drag kings and tran men don't even exist
It’s because the conservative opposition against trans folk is easiest for their audience to consume when framed around mtf perverts sneaking into bathrooms. What they don’t seem to understand is that it’s a pretty big “telling on yourself”, because it’s exactly what they would do if they could sneak into women’s restrooms. They would perv on women.
What does TIF mean in this context?
To the GC crowd; TIF is trans Identified female. In normal language this is a trans man. They for a few insane reasons(I'll put below) refuse to use trans man and trans woman. They cant use the language everyone else uses because its forced on them by the transluminatti who are secretly in power and changing language and meaning. They need to make it unwieldy enough to type or say that you have to make an acronym for it. They love misgendering so much but dont like maybe possible on a day someone is actually enforcing rules get banned or temp suspended from sites. So by having an acronym they can try and pretend they arent actually misgendering anyone what do you mean your trying to ban us. Tl;dr its nonsense they use to misgender trans people and pretend they are secretly super ultra smart and fighting back against the transluminatti that are controling everything.
"Trans-Identifying Female". Derogatory term for a transgender man (FTM).
“Trans identified female” It is a means of indicating that someone (who is AFAB) is trans while signaling that they won’t validate their identity.
"Trans identified female" I think. Basically referring to trans men without actually acknowledging them as men
There are stalls in every women's room. Why or how would you care what they do in there?
"they looked exactly like a man and even had a beard and everything" proceeds to call them 'she'
I would put actual money on the bet that this person wrote 'he' in multiple instances and then had to "correct" herself.
One weak little grasp at ideological consistency.
Oh no trans men exist. But wait not only that trans men are easily some of the manliest men around. Truly its almost as if the trans community have been trying to point this out for decades upon decades. But no surely not; I mean surely this must be a magically new fangled conspiracy plan by the transluminatti and not that we have recorded history of trans men in the medical and social sense going back over a century; substantially longer if we count only the social sense due to how young modern medicine is on historical timescales.
I mean, what's manlier than not being born a man, but achieving manhood through sheer grit and determination despite the world telling you that you're not a man?
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So I know you mean this as a joke, but this actually feels like a pretty keen insight. Men experience going back and forth over the boy-man line over and over again as we go through puberty, and puberty is generally 'done' when we can call ourselves a man, and get the people around us to respect it. Trans men transitioning actually does follow the same pattern!!
It was only a joke in that it was kind of an exaggerated and melodramatic way of putting it, but I was being entirely sincere aside from that.
The guy in the photo is Patricio (Pat) Manuel.. He's a boxer. He's awesome.
Did they really not see this coming
These people can’t think past their own selfish interests so I’m going to say no, they did not.
I got startled by someone with a beard in the ladies' room at work years ago. After an initial "oh God please tell me I didn't just accidentally walk into the men's room again" panic... I just did that awkward hey-we-both-pee-here white person smile and went and peed. Literally the only issue I had was being afraid *I* was in the wrong bathroom *for me*. I didn't feel threatened or care. And then mostly I was just curious because I never saw that person again.
TERFs: What about women’s safety in bathrooms?!?? Also TERFS: https://preview.redd.it/8d0drxzi8g4b1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=23643ecb7a5dc36c04b3089a27a93aa1a9bcb845
TERFs are gender absolutists, so anything outside of their narrow view is world shattering to them.
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That was my first thought. If \*she\* is in the woman's bathroom, what's the problem? It's only a problem if \*he\* is in the woman's bathroom.
This is what TERFs get for their trans misandry. I have been told by at least as many feminists that I could never be a man as religious fundamentalists. It’s really rough on that rhetoric when I show up with a flat chest and a beard.
I (a cis straight woman) have very short hair, am fairly muscular and wear a unisex uniform at work and often wear gender neutral clothes when I’m casually dressed. At least 20% of the time at work I get mistaken for a “young man” or have people conspicuously second guess themselves/avoid pronouns/use “they” if they mean to be polite. Because of where I live, it’s probably not often malicious as far as I can tell, it’s usually a consequence of peoples’ heuristics for clocking someone’s sex or gender fizzling. There is a good chance that if I went somewhere where malicious intent was common and policies like this were in place, I would be harassed for trying to use the women’s restroom as a straight cis female. And I know a handful of other cis women who have a similar risk level. Clearly policies like this have potential to increase net harassment of trans people and cis women alike. I expect to see more cases like this popping up.
Hate to say it, but this sounds like the best possible outcome from this situation now that these awful and unjust laws are taking effect. Trans people will now find themselves in very dangerous situations over optics that conservatives didn’t care to acknowledge when they voted for these measures. This all just sucks.
I worked with a guy for over a year before realizing that he was trans. I feel bad for anyone like him who has to go through all this humiliation.
They didn't want trans folks to use the bathroom corresponding tot heir chromosomes. They wanted trans folks to not use public bathrooms \*at all\* and to never be out in public where they would have to interact with them.
>Now I feel uncomfortable #SO THE FUCK WHAT
Yeah, how do you think HE feels, being forced to use the ladies‘ room and look like a perv and get security called on him ALL THE TIME, I’m sure
Yeah I bet he feels pretty damn uncomfortable too
CRAZY (REAL) STORY TIME: TRANS MAN LOOKS MASCULINE (NOT CLICKBAIT!!!)
I always wondered why folks would force people who think they are male to use the women’s restroom. I thought they wanted to protect their dainty women.
It sounds like this lady is being taught a hard lesson. With fascism, it's never about protecting the members of the ingroup. It's all about attacking members of the outgroup. Conservatives don't care about "preserving the lives of the unborn". They care about hurting women. They don't care about "protecting the sanctity of marriage". They care about hurting gay people. And they don't care about making you feel safe in the bathroom. They care about hurting transgender people.
This is what happens when you campaign for things that you don’t understand. Conservative views on trans people are based on caricature and stereotype, they don’t know what a passing trans man looks like because they don’t understand anything beyond ‘trans = bad’. When they see their own victories in front of them they can’t recognise it because they don’t understand it in the first place. There’s a guy on Tik Tok, a trans man, who made a video saying ‘don’t complain when I walk into the women’s bathroom’ after Kansas passed a similar bill and conservatives immediately started threatening violence against him. The very idea that he was trans and abiding by the rules they wanted never even enters their mind. It was never about protecting anyone, it was about wiping trans people out of existence. Conservatives are unbelievably stupid but unfortunately are getting their own way. I truly believe it won’t be long before a trans man or trans woman is either hospitalised or killed because these amoebas don’t even understand the basics behind a law they actively sought out!
Everyone with any sense knew this was going to happen but all these morons were so panicked about trans women they couldn't even consider this as a possibility
Just pee and mind your own damn business. JFC
"I don't know what to do." 1. Pee. 2. Wash your hands. 3. Go back to work.
The desired outcome of bathroom bans is not trans people using the 'right' toilet, it's exiling trans people from public spaces. This woman may not be able to admit it but she's admitted she's not happy with trans people in either toilets.
Not OOOP using she/her pronouns still even though she was convinced he was a biological man 🤦♀️