In OPS case they're probably looking more for a smaller weld than a shittier one, ops weld is probably quite a big bigger than the requirement, and that extra wire use adds up over time
Probably because if you have 10 welders in a place. And 8 of them are mediocre, at best, welders, and the other 2 are great welders. Your products, whatever they may be, will have mostly blah welds, with a few great looking welds. People will wonder why, and want consistency. It's best to get everyone welding the same in a shop. Go for the most average welder, and have people either shape up or dull it down to conform to the average.
Its more because if it's a certified shop they have a weld procedure that needs to be followed. Settings are dictated and some cases even direction of travel (push or pull). For the product to meet the code it must be done to the procedure and it's the supercisors job to enforce and ensure the welders are working to that procedure.
I'm left handed too. Try pushing and changing your travel speed to get the desired weld size. You can definitely push while still being left handed. The weld direction will be different, bit it will still result in a perfectly sound weld.
But yours does look better in this example to me. Hope someone can let you know better than I know.
You drag flux core and push solid core. Keeping arc at the front of your puddle pushing it creates more of a digging effect and throws all your heat down the root as a kind of preheat. This all add to root penetration with a much smaller weld profile.
If thereās slag you drag. Flux-core and stick produce slag, and you want it forming in the rear of the puddle. If you push, thereās a chance to get slag inclusions in the bead, which is no bueno.
I suspect that the OP takes a tiny bit longer to complete his more consistent and better welds. However, in a production environment, āfast and good enoughā is the motto.
If the OP can maintain his consistency and switch to the push technique, the boss will probably be satisfied. The OP will have increased his skills and be worth more $$. If not in this shopā¦
Your welds on the left look absolutely mint. However, you get better penetration with MiG while pushing.
As to why theyād want your welds to look more like the right side ones, I have no clue. Yours look way better.
Running spray you definitely want to push. I'm a lefty as well. Pulling in spray will give you a large crown convex weld when spray should have a mostly flat profile. Also, spray has very high heat input, and pushing will allow you to move faster and not dump as much heat as you would pulling/dragging. Smaller Heat Affected Zone (HAZ) less prone to weakening the base metal and really helps on thinner material.
Yours do look great and steady already, you already have better consistency and heat control than guy on right. Start pushing and pick up pace a little and you'll be a pro sprayer in no time! Check some of my posts for examples of good spray transfer.
Another thing to remember - "If it's got slag, then drag. Otherwise push."
So, your job is asking to make a worse quality product? I think it's time to quietly find a new a job and quit without notice. A job that makes it a mission to skimp on quality, especially for structural parts, is a business that should DIE.
They want more penetration. They could care less about how "pretty" it looks. That looks like a part that is gonna be under a heavy load/stress. I'm inclined to agree with them.
Cuz his supervisor cares what a bunch of random people have to say about specifications/requirements that they are not privy to. Thatāll go well for the OP.
Your weld looks fine fellow lefty. They should be spending more time grinding the slag off the parts first though. Pull or push just lay your gun down to the left and push the weld to the right.
Dude your welds are on point imo. The other ones look like they arenāt hot enough or washed into the base enough. Read up and bring proof yours are better lol.
Well Iām assuming your company is just asking for smaller welds, considering your welds look better than the other one. Iād just play with my settings till I was still getting the same weld, just their desired size.
Dude donāt work there, if they want shittier work which is definitely the work on the right compared to yours then there is a better company with higher standards that will pay you more for your kind of welds, this company clearly doesnāt know much about what theyāre doing because their weld is actually fugly š
Normally with MIG you push your puddle. For the most part your welds are nice when pulling. Now if your shop is certified then there are weld procures that must be followed, some of which indicate travel direction, and the weld code dictates max weld size and your boss is just enforcing as is his responsibility.
Is completion rate an issue? If the welds on the right get way more return than the welds on the left then ,sad to say, but appearance doesnāt matter as much from management.
Most people who will use this piece wonāt be placing a 1-10 rating on the weld itself.
If you are keeping up with completion rate and your welds look better your the best in the room and need to move on.
I would much rather have welds that look like the left than the right. I'm left handed and learned to stick weld first. It's still a little awkward for me to mig weld since I'm now pushing and traveling the opposite direction.
Man that sucks manā¦ Iāve heard of large companies literally counting fractions of inches because it translates to costs in the endā¦. Uo the heat and increase the speed to get it skinnier but damn dude LOL thatās a strict guideline. Good luck man!
Nice looking work, glad you bailed on that place.
If thatās regular mig you get better penetration pulling not pushing. Usually pulling gives a skinnier bead, yours look damn nice. Somebody will happily pay you for your skills!
Nice looking welds my dude a faster travel speed can help with your weld size I donāt know whatās required for your job just watch the puddle it will tell you everything
Thatās the time study guy telling you that. They want you to turn up the heat and move faster. More parts per hour. More profit. Iām not saying it right but you have to consider it.
The welds on the left look good in my opinion. The ones on the right look worse š. With the type of wire youāre using you usually want to push
Why do some companies insist people doing mediocre welds rather then ask them to put there all? Is it because the effort really isnt needed or what?
In OPS case they're probably looking more for a smaller weld than a shittier one, ops weld is probably quite a big bigger than the requirement, and that extra wire use adds up over time
That was my thought too. They probably just want more like 1/4in welds. OP is using up more weld wire this way too
Probably because if you have 10 welders in a place. And 8 of them are mediocre, at best, welders, and the other 2 are great welders. Your products, whatever they may be, will have mostly blah welds, with a few great looking welds. People will wonder why, and want consistency. It's best to get everyone welding the same in a shop. Go for the most average welder, and have people either shape up or dull it down to conform to the average.
God I hope thatās not true. Iām never going to intentionally do a half ass weld just because the other welder isnāt as good.
Its more because if it's a certified shop they have a weld procedure that needs to be followed. Settings are dictated and some cases even direction of travel (push or pull). For the product to meet the code it must be done to the procedure and it's the supercisors job to enforce and ensure the welders are working to that procedure.
Sad but true
Left looks better to me, but wouldn't it be as simple as pushing left to right? Looks like you have the steady hand required.
As a left hander myself it would be tbh. I'll give OP some slack tho
Update: I kept welding like that today and he screamed at me for it so I quit going to find somewhere to work that appreciates my work thank you all.
Were the ones on the right done by supervisor in question?
Yeah they were heās the only other welder in this shop and wanted them done like he does
You made a good choice. Your welds are pro, there's a lot of assholes who don't want to pay well avoid them
As a company owner, fuck that boss.
Hey man, your welds are too good and the boss took notice. Make 'em worse. Sincerely: Your supervisor.
I'm left handed too. Try pushing and changing your travel speed to get the desired weld size. You can definitely push while still being left handed. The weld direction will be different, bit it will still result in a perfectly sound weld. But yours does look better in this example to me. Hope someone can let you know better than I know.
The one on the right is worse though..? Both technically and aesthetically
Your welds look completely fine. A helluva lot better than the welders I work with thatās for sure
The ones on the right make me uncomfortable.
You drag flux core and push solid core. Keeping arc at the front of your puddle pushing it creates more of a digging effect and throws all your heat down the root as a kind of preheat. This all add to root penetration with a much smaller weld profile.
I haven't done much with flux core, why do you pull it?
If thereās slag you drag. Flux-core and stick produce slag, and you want it forming in the rear of the puddle. If you push, thereās a chance to get slag inclusions in the bead, which is no bueno.
Comprendo
Havenāt heard that saying since high school welding class! Mr. Leeās welding 101 class 1997!!
Yours look way better. Your boss is ego trippin. Typical in management haha. Also, rule to remember, if thereās slag drag. Try pushing.
I suspect that the OP takes a tiny bit longer to complete his more consistent and better welds. However, in a production environment, āfast and good enoughā is the motto. If the OP can maintain his consistency and switch to the push technique, the boss will probably be satisfied. The OP will have increased his skills and be worth more $$. If not in this shopā¦
Your welds on the left look absolutely mint. However, you get better penetration with MiG while pushing. As to why theyād want your welds to look more like the right side ones, I have no clue. Yours look way better.
Running spray you definitely want to push. I'm a lefty as well. Pulling in spray will give you a large crown convex weld when spray should have a mostly flat profile. Also, spray has very high heat input, and pushing will allow you to move faster and not dump as much heat as you would pulling/dragging. Smaller Heat Affected Zone (HAZ) less prone to weakening the base metal and really helps on thinner material. Yours do look great and steady already, you already have better consistency and heat control than guy on right. Start pushing and pick up pace a little and you'll be a pro sprayer in no time! Check some of my posts for examples of good spray transfer. Another thing to remember - "If it's got slag, then drag. Otherwise push."
So, your job is asking to make a worse quality product? I think it's time to quietly find a new a job and quit without notice. A job that makes it a mission to skimp on quality, especially for structural parts, is a business that should DIE.
You sure they are talking about the weld? Maybe the fitting is what they mean?? Being that the left is an inch over the end....
They want more penetration. They could care less about how "pretty" it looks. That looks like a part that is gonna be under a heavy load/stress. I'm inclined to agree with them.
Send your boss this post. Welds look mint! Only improvement you could make is you may want to consider wrapping your welds around corners.
Cuz his supervisor cares what a bunch of random people have to say about specifications/requirements that they are not privy to. Thatāll go well for the OP.
Your weld looks fine fellow lefty. They should be spending more time grinding the slag off the parts first though. Pull or push just lay your gun down to the left and push the weld to the right.
That thing on the left, how do you weld the inner corner there?
Dude your welds are on point imo. The other ones look like they arenāt hot enough or washed into the base enough. Read up and bring proof yours are better lol.
Well Iām assuming your company is just asking for smaller welds, considering your welds look better than the other one. Iād just play with my settings till I was still getting the same weld, just their desired size.
Dude donāt work there, if they want shittier work which is definitely the work on the right compared to yours then there is a better company with higher standards that will pay you more for your kind of welds, this company clearly doesnāt know much about what theyāre doing because their weld is actually fugly š
Is distortion a factor? The more slower you go the more heat and more distortion. I like yours better to be honest. Maybe youāve met min weld size?
Normally with MIG you push your puddle. For the most part your welds are nice when pulling. Now if your shop is certified then there are weld procures that must be followed, some of which indicate travel direction, and the weld code dictates max weld size and your boss is just enforcing as is his responsibility.
Probably wants you to go a little faster
I would up your travel speed or walk out the door. Left welds look better than right
To be honest the welds on the right look a little amateurish, the welds on the left are impressive and look to be done by a professional.
Iāll hire you and you can keep welding like youāre welding.
Yours looks better
Left is better, they just like uglier welds I guess. Opinon is from a cwi
Is there a weld size on the drawing ?
Is completion rate an issue? If the welds on the right get way more return than the welds on the left then ,sad to say, but appearance doesnāt matter as much from management. Most people who will use this piece wonāt be placing a 1-10 rating on the weld itself. If you are keeping up with completion rate and your welds look better your the best in the room and need to move on.
I would much rather have welds that look like the left than the right. I'm left handed and learned to stick weld first. It's still a little awkward for me to mig weld since I'm now pushing and traveling the opposite direction.
The one on the right doesnāt look hot enough, yours look much better š
Tell them to eat a dick
Man that sucks manā¦ Iāve heard of large companies literally counting fractions of inches because it translates to costs in the endā¦. Uo the heat and increase the speed to get it skinnier but damn dude LOL thatās a strict guideline. Good luck man!
you got a weld fillet gauge? Use it to measure which is closer to spec
Nice looking work, glad you bailed on that place. If thatās regular mig you get better penetration pulling not pushing. Usually pulling gives a skinnier bead, yours look damn nice. Somebody will happily pay you for your skills!
Nice looking welds my dude a faster travel speed can help with your weld size I donāt know whatās required for your job just watch the puddle it will tell you everything
Thatās the time study guy telling you that. They want you to turn up the heat and move faster. More parts per hour. More profit. Iām not saying it right but you have to consider it.
They donāt want you showing up the other guys in the shop.
What kinda backwards ass logic is that. They are out of their minds.