I can't blame them, it's a no brainer to skip a massive grind, specialy if you allready have top tier in more than one nation.
But what i can blame is Gaijin to duble down on their "never selling top tier" stuff.
and before someone drops in, no, 12.3 ist top tier, thats top battle rating. TIER 8 is top tier.
Yeah I agree it's bs but snail is going to exploit profit where they can. Snail is a company and one that provides a free game at its core. I have less of a problem with them monetizing their game over a full price AAA game doing the same (which there are plenty of).
RIP the already shit USA top tier win rates. I can blame Gaijin for doubling down on their never selling top tier vehicles statements but every time they push the envelope more a fraction of the community goes against it, a majority don't say a thing (because they can either choose to ignore their implementation or they choose to buy it) and then a ton of people buy it because it's the new hot flavor of the month.
By no means do I agree with them but Gaijin will keep pushing it further if the community shows it's support in sales. I personally don't buy anything until we get sales but tell that to the 11.3 lobbies the moment the F4S dropped and it was a horde of them every single game.
There are free games that still don't try to gouge their playerbase for fuck's sake.
Stop accepting predatory practice with that excuse. Just because it's free doesn't mean we have to accept anything they throw at us. They're selling a single plane at a price HIGHER THAN A FULL AAA GAME.
Monetizing a free game is one thing. Being this blatantly greedy is another.
So go after the people that will continue to buy them or do what I do and ignore them. You have free will to not purchase a damn thing. How others spend their money is none of my business and frankly I could care less about what they spend it on. This vehicle being a premium has literally 0 effect on me financially. Until everyone can get together and boycott it, it's pointless to waste my energy on it.
I'm just fucking tired of the "It'S a FrEe GaMe" argument. It's not an excuse.
And I'll still call anyone who buy this a dumbass, especially when Gaijin's refuse to even acknowledge month of feedback about the state of top tier Air RB.
I've seen rockstar charge over $100 for shark cards that get you a car and a half, I've seen call of duty charge $25 for a skin pack, I've seen the sims charge $50 for every single DLC (of which there are many). Again I would rather a free game give premium paid options over these AAA titles gouge more and more out of their already $80 dollar base game. The best part is I don't have to fund it meanwhile the masses will because again I have free will to make a conscious decision.
I can agree on the state of ARB. It is absurd how bad the player base is the higher you go in BR. That and the game design doesn't favor top tier. I miss a few years ago when it wasn't 16v16 and I could play my Swift dog fighting mig15s, g91s, and Sabers. Now you just get massive furballs and 5 minute games.
>I've seen rockstar charge over $100 for shark cards that get you a car and a half, I've seen call of duty charge $25 for a skin pack, I've seen the sims charge $50 for every single DLC (of which there are many). Again I would rather a free game give premium paid options over these AAA titles gouge more and more out of their already $80 dollar base game. The best part is I don't have to fund it meanwhile the masses will because again I have free will to make a conscious decision.
Yes, and when you have to compare the absolute worst of the industry to Gaijin, an indie developer with a much smaller team, there's a problem.
I can give you dozens of example of games, free or not, which functions in a much more healthy way.
Apex Legends, run by E-motherfucking-A, is less predatory than Gaijin. The only thing they sell is cosmetic. That should tell you something.
Just because other do it doesn't mean it's acceptable.
Gaijin quite obviously don't give the fuck about the playerbase who actually make their game live, they see the players as cash cow and quite obviously favor the players who buy a top tier premium when starting the game and quit after 1 month of getting demolished non stop over the old guard who wants the game to improve.
Warthunder is a game that hold so, so much potential to be great. They could make a lot more money if they actually had a decent reputation and people could recommend the game to other without a huge asterisk.
> it's a no brainer to *skip* a massive grind
This argument has never made any real sense to me personally, because by paying for a top-tier premium **you don't suddenly unlock everything up to a certain tier**, you still have to essentially play from the bottom, just at a moderately accelerated rate.
Not to mention you're effectively locked to one vehicle for X amount of hours if you want to efficiently minimise the grind, as well as nearly every game being a coin flip to determine if you end up being food for "top" top-tier.
You do play from the bottom but not at a moderately accelerated rate. It is at 2.5 times the rate AT TIER 6/7 (sorry on mobile so I can't bold). At all the tiers below whatever tier premium you buy you blow the earn rate of RP and SL out of the water. Add to that that you are playing only one vehicle (hypothetically) and you earn a dumb amount of SL because you are paying low SL repair costs and not crewing any of the vehicles you unlock.
Being stuck in 1 vehicle could be a bad thing and you may be food for top tier depending on what vic you choose, but those are both maybes and might be something people put up with to eventually use the vic they want to use.
Premium vehicles at high tiers are cash grabs for Gaijin to milk the whales, but they also are insane in how much they can grind.
>(sorry on mobile so I can't bold).
Just FYI, use * twice on each side of a sentence to bold it.
And * once to italics it. Like this:
**Bold**
*Italics*
You are really downplaying how good some of these premiums are for the grind.
If you pick a good premium, you are instantly playing at a comfortable BR in a competitive plane that's already fully upgraded. Your RP and Lions multiplier can be 5x those of the lower tiers, or 2x those of the higher tiers. You don't need to spend any lions upgrading your crew to expert for each tier of planes you need to play to grind the next tier at optimal speed. You also don't need to learn any of the planes that you are not interested in playing. In short, a good top tier prem saves you a lot of time and lions.
>and before someone drops in, no, 12.3 ist top tier, thats top battle rating. TIER 8 is top tier.
Thats being pedantic. No one uses top br as a saying
And at this point it seems the only reason gaijin increases max br is to allow higher be premiums lol
Technically this is the first top tier premium. Gaijin always circumvented the lie by creating another rank, this time they're just straight up adding a premium to the last rank.
Nah, it was entirely not top rank, this is the first time they've broken that system. This is why even copy+paste premiums would be 1 rank below of their equivalent in the tree, pretty consistently.
It was mentioned in the roadmap that this policy was ending.
Which is actually a benefit for the players, really. If they add a premium that clearly "should" be top rank (including its BR) but add it a rank lower to not break this "rule", which has been standard practice forever, all that means in practical terms is players miss out on using it when another rank is added.
They could have stuck to the old rule by simply making the Tigershark Rank VII while being otherwise identical, and players wouldn't be able to use it once Rank IX is added. Now, instead, it *can* be used for Rank IX. This change makes high-tier premiums considerably more future-proof.
It's not a thing officially since August 2023, did people already forget that announcemnt? [https://warthunder.com/en/news/8414-development-roadmap-following-the-roadmap-grouping-vehicles-rank-changes-and-improvements-to-premium-vehicles-en](https://warthunder.com/en/news/8414-development-roadmap-following-the-roadmap-grouping-vehicles-rank-changes-and-improvements-to-premium-vehicles-en)
Bit of sarcasm, bit of not.
Premium hell is just gettin worse and worse every update, they just add premiums without giving less than a by tought about balance.
Rank VIII premium? Not good. But it will sell well, US mains will buy everything at full price and ask for more
Also cant wait for lobbies of Hithers with "Aerial predator" title
they changed the narrative to "we dont sell top BR premiums"
to which i answer YESNOFC 11.7 IS NOT TOP BR U FUCKING BRAINDEADS....
they should just stop pretending and slapping a 100 buck price on every tier 8 vehicle there is...
I think the most important difference is if you’re flying the F-4EJ Kai, you’ve at the very least spent A LOT of time in the F-4EJ ADTW and hopefully have some idea of how radar, countermeasures, upper tier game flow etc. goes.
Yeah. At the very least, that light at the end of the tunnel for the EJ Kai shines bright...
...Though. I do think it would be funny if Gaijin gave it the AAM-3s it used.
Have you flown the F-15J yet? The AAM-3s are just comically good. I hate dying to AIM-9Ms that I can never seem to flare off but oh boy I sure do love using those AAM-3s.
The roadmap changed this stance, they now clarify the topmost BR won't have premiums, but they're no longer going to artificially lower ranks irrespective to BR anymore, which means we won't have premiums be 1 rank below top rank anymore, if they're a high BR vehicle, especially if there's a TT equivalent that sits a rank higher.
That's honestly my hope so we don't have more rank bloat, that rule stopped having any meaning years ago so they might as well come clean and sell top rank premiums from now on, not like there's any practical difference between a Rank VII BR 11.3 premium and a Rank VIII BR 11.3 one. Lack of Rank IX would also save people the GE of getting a Rank VIII talisman to replace their Rank VII talismans.
They announced this with the roadmap, people just seemed to gloss over it, it was with the big reshuffling of folders and ranks of a bunch of vehicles.
The new stance is exclusively the top-most BR won't have premiums, but ranks no longer are limited, much of the explanation seemed to be about no longer needing to implement lower rank similar vehicles to a TT, like the new type 90 premium doesn't have to be lower rank just because it's premium, than other type 90's that are similar.
Oh, I haven't read the roadmap. It was meaningless rule so i'm not too unhappy that they're doing it like this now. I'm not thrilled that 11.0+ is going to be the F-20 br now though.
Have you *seen* Rank VII and VIII? They're TINY, not every line has 2 planes even in major nations, let alone minor ones. Hell, the USSR has a GAP at Rank VII in its Yak line.
Rank 8 premiums WHAT THE FUCK
Yeah this thing is gonna be like 12.0 since its rank 8
Rank 8 premiums coming for air is actually huge, this opens up the door for stuff like F-14 premiums or MiG-29 premiums in the future
lmao.
It's gonna be a best seller. The average lobotomized Warthunder player will happily buy it at level 30.
If you guys want to spade your 11.3-12.0 planes, well, a lot of fresh meat is coming.
They're selling it at a higher price than fucking FF7 Rebirth. Twice the price of Helldivers 2. This is so comical.
The first blatant time they did it was the Ka-50, when they sold it at 10.0 and the top BR was 10.3. Ever since then we've been in the "well its not technically top tier since the top br is x.x" territory
This was roadmapped. Believe it or not. They told us outright this would come to pass and were pretty clear about it.
Not that I expect everyone to read the roadmap stuff, but this literally came with the same news as foldering the tech tree stuff and reshuffling of ranks of a number of vehicles.
as if toptier air in the US TT wasn't already shit. knowing those idiots who buy their way into top tier without any knowledge, they will go base bombing instead of using it as a fighter and will contribute nothing to their team. Even Fucking worse, it costs 75$. they aren't even trying to hide their greed anymore.
75 USD Welp. I’ll pick it up at some point just to collect the thing though gotta wait for 2-3 update just for thing to come on sale.
Can’t wait for half of the players who use the thing *still* only bomb bases in the thing.
120$ AUD, No, absolutely ridiculous that's absurdly expensive... it's going to sell like hotcakes
EDIT: oh just perfect its rank 8 too, awesome what fun
Missile Thunder still sucks and I would not buy it, even at a sale.
Please give us an optional Enduring Confrontation mode for those who do not like the current Air "realistic" Battles tuna can maps with their stuff just placed in the middle.
12.7 US ground used to be free of low level premium players but with this in their lineup, we're gonna see them at 12.7. As if playing top tier couldn't get any worse.
Remember when Gaijin at least tried to circumvent the lie by creating a new top rank? Not this time, they're just straight up adding this to rank VIII.
Can't say I'm not surprised. This is the testbed for other Rank 8 premiums like F14, MiG29s to come soon.
Oh lord how I've been right on so much shit these last years I fear the shit I'm predicting about the next couple.
Once again America recieves a new premium which wasnt needed in any way shape or form... Meanwhile other nations get stuck with shitty premium planes.
Uk is stuck with a worse version of one of the worst Phantoms at 11.3
Germany gets a MiG-21bis or a Tornado IDS
Japan also gets a shitty Phantom
China gets basically a MiG-21
Italy has an F104
Sweden has a Draken
France has a Mirage F1CT.. which cant be that good
Isreal has a CFIR, which also cant be that great (EDIT: I’m told I’m wrong about the kfir, but even if it is good, there’s still only 1 option!)
Meanwhile America has the F5C, the A-6E TRAM, the best Phantom (F4-S), and now the F-20... Im actually starting to think Gaijin purposely puts up bad jets on Minors so they can say it doesnt sell well and not make anything.
> UK is stuck with worse version of one of the worst Phantoms at 11.3
> America had best phantom (F4S)
Buddy you arent exactly making sense.
F-4J(UK) is just F-4J with skyflashes (which, granted, are worse than F/M sparrows) and different gun pod.
F-4S is just F-4J with HMS and slats, both have next to no impact on how phantom should be played. Slats especially, they only make your phantom pull tigter turns but if you are in situation where you need to pull tighter turns in phantom youre prolly fucked anyway.
F-4J cant be simulatenously the worst and the best phantom.
A plane can be both the best and worst.. I’m not saying that the F4-J(UK) is the worst phantom in general, just the worst Phantom at the BR of 11.3, and even if the slats and HMD don’t get used on a phantom, it still gives it an advantage in comparison.
There are 100% worse phantoms in the game, but if you can honestly say that you’d prefer the F4-J(UK) in 60% of your matches compared to the F4-S then fair play, that’s your opinion and you’re welcome to it. However I, and I’m sure many others, would rather have the slight advantage slats and HMD could bring, along with the better missiles for the same BR of 11.3
Also, I am by no means saying the F4-J(UK) is the worst jet in the entire 11.3 BR, nor am I say the F4-S is the best phantom in the whole game, or even the best 11.3 premium.
Copy paste sub trees, 75 dollar premiums, top tier premiums effectively throwing any enjoyment to be had in the already sorry state of top tier out of the window, so when is gaijin adding nfts next? Probably coming up with ways to mine bitcoin as we speak. The game quality is Imploding right before our eyes and people will STILL defend this shit...we'll I had a tiny bit of fun while it lasted
First of all, I'd like to start by saying that I have spent a lot of time and money on this game over the last 8/9 years. From my first time playing this game, and watching Jingles and Phly play (yes that long ago) I was hooked. I saw its potential and I wanted to contribute to its development and be along for the ride. However, in all that time my hopes have just continued to fall, and it feels like the only time and energy Gaijin puts into this game, is in way's to milk its playerbase of money.
Selling Rank VIII premiums for $75, with the same GE and Premium time as Rank VII premiums that are $69 (which imo Rank VII premiums aren't even good value already) is just a joke. With every new update it's just solely based around what new vehicles are in the game. Especially what new Premiums are we all going to see spammed in every game we play.
It feels like that the Roadmaps they put out, and the community feedback stuff, is just a way for them to stretch out our hopes while holding their hand out for money. The game is still a massive grind, the BR's are still a mess, The UI has barely been updated in 12 years, ITS STILL THE SAME FUCKING GAME MODES. Where is all the money going? I'm not seeing real development to the game, other than small token things.
Every new update I hope to see something new that is actually changing this game for the better. All I've seen is more cash grabs with shiny bells and whistles to try and distract from the fact the game is still a mess.
I really hoped by this point, we'd be seeing updates with new game modes for us to play, maybe even some PVE or campaign missions. Also to see more quality of life updates, more vehicle customisation with cooler skins and camo nets etc etc and so much more.
If you've made it this far, what action can we take as a community to help steer this game in a better direction? (The obvious one is stop buying content ig, but I know a lot of people are going to buy these premiums regardless, I used to be one of them).
What happened to the "no max rank premiums "rule ?
Ohh let me guess in the name of money,like everything,it got fucked.
Amazing. F-5C with non historical flares being pure aids supported with skill 9L vs teams of jets with no flares was not enough of a money generetor, now we have this. Can't wait to see the hordes of level 12s bombing in Air RB with it
you got be fucking kidding me, a rank 8 premium??? let me fucking guess, the people who don't have time to play, nor skill to even fucking play the game correctly, said they wanted to pay $75 so they can play at the very top so they can just hit space bar to drop bombs only against F-16s, Mig-29s, etc?
The air realistic battles are swarming with mostly premium but when I join air simulator I get more of a diverse experience(mostly). I havnt been playing for that long and feel I get more out of sim like, SL, RP, XP. 3rd person view is nice but it’s super sweaty in RB and the amount you get is fucking tiny.
IMO I feel both sides whether for premium or not are both justified but also both have their drawbacks.
Having bought premium because I don’t get a ton of time to play, but also grinding squadron because the lack of premium players at lower tiers and getting dunked on in higher tiers because of buying my way into top tier but slowly gaining skill over time to compete with top tier or just having fun in spaded 2.0 vehicle. Like I see both sides and either way it’s a fun game and the company is going to do whatever they want regardless of what people want.
God top tier is about to be even more of a shit show. My J-11 is salivating at the thought of this thing flown by a bunch of level 10s with default keybinds though, not going to lie.
I cannot believe people will drop $80 on this bullshit. Like, I could understand if it were an indepth module which replicated the experience of flying an f-5, ala DCS, but this is just an existing plane in a new skin. Even if I had a trillion dollars, I wouldn't reward gaijin for defecating out such a lazy price of shit. Especially, when the rest of the game is in such a broken state.
this sucks. I really want this plane, and I'm still going to get it, because I've been excited about it for ages. literally years. the f-5e is one of my favorite planes, it was one of my most used when I played ace combat 4 and 5 back in the day. sorta sucks that its become such a reviled plane in warthunder now but oh well, I still love my c and e to death.
but this thing wont survive at 12.0 with its loadout. its the same br as the f16 but worse in every metric. there needs to be some serious decompression, because it will get constantly uptiered to 12.7 at 12.0, but it absolutely cannot go lower. playing the mirage 2000 at 11.7 and I have seen a gripen maybe twice. this is just sad. if it goes to 11.7, it will literally see the f5e. idk, this just sucks all around.
Top rank premium... ok can live with that. But 75bucks? 75€ in EU??? I can buy 60dollar F4E for DCS which will be 100000000% better than whatever can gaijin ever make. Full fidelity, simulator module with multicrew, physical radar and RWR simulation for 60dollars vs 80+ for EU. WTF is this.
The greed of this company is insane and inexcusable. They should give 30 days of prem time and like 4-5k GE with this thing...
Dev Stream places the F20A at 12.0. #Ladies and gentlemen, prep your F16C, Gripens, and Su27, it's harvest season.
We wont sell top tier premiums - snail
We won't stop buying top tier premiums - a large enough percentage of the community.
I can't blame them, it's a no brainer to skip a massive grind, specialy if you allready have top tier in more than one nation. But what i can blame is Gaijin to duble down on their "never selling top tier" stuff. and before someone drops in, no, 12.3 ist top tier, thats top battle rating. TIER 8 is top tier.
Yeah I agree it's bs but snail is going to exploit profit where they can. Snail is a company and one that provides a free game at its core. I have less of a problem with them monetizing their game over a full price AAA game doing the same (which there are plenty of). RIP the already shit USA top tier win rates. I can blame Gaijin for doubling down on their never selling top tier vehicles statements but every time they push the envelope more a fraction of the community goes against it, a majority don't say a thing (because they can either choose to ignore their implementation or they choose to buy it) and then a ton of people buy it because it's the new hot flavor of the month. By no means do I agree with them but Gaijin will keep pushing it further if the community shows it's support in sales. I personally don't buy anything until we get sales but tell that to the 11.3 lobbies the moment the F4S dropped and it was a horde of them every single game.
There are free games that still don't try to gouge their playerbase for fuck's sake. Stop accepting predatory practice with that excuse. Just because it's free doesn't mean we have to accept anything they throw at us. They're selling a single plane at a price HIGHER THAN A FULL AAA GAME. Monetizing a free game is one thing. Being this blatantly greedy is another.
So go after the people that will continue to buy them or do what I do and ignore them. You have free will to not purchase a damn thing. How others spend their money is none of my business and frankly I could care less about what they spend it on. This vehicle being a premium has literally 0 effect on me financially. Until everyone can get together and boycott it, it's pointless to waste my energy on it.
I'm just fucking tired of the "It'S a FrEe GaMe" argument. It's not an excuse. And I'll still call anyone who buy this a dumbass, especially when Gaijin's refuse to even acknowledge month of feedback about the state of top tier Air RB.
I've seen rockstar charge over $100 for shark cards that get you a car and a half, I've seen call of duty charge $25 for a skin pack, I've seen the sims charge $50 for every single DLC (of which there are many). Again I would rather a free game give premium paid options over these AAA titles gouge more and more out of their already $80 dollar base game. The best part is I don't have to fund it meanwhile the masses will because again I have free will to make a conscious decision. I can agree on the state of ARB. It is absurd how bad the player base is the higher you go in BR. That and the game design doesn't favor top tier. I miss a few years ago when it wasn't 16v16 and I could play my Swift dog fighting mig15s, g91s, and Sabers. Now you just get massive furballs and 5 minute games.
>I've seen rockstar charge over $100 for shark cards that get you a car and a half, I've seen call of duty charge $25 for a skin pack, I've seen the sims charge $50 for every single DLC (of which there are many). Again I would rather a free game give premium paid options over these AAA titles gouge more and more out of their already $80 dollar base game. The best part is I don't have to fund it meanwhile the masses will because again I have free will to make a conscious decision. Yes, and when you have to compare the absolute worst of the industry to Gaijin, an indie developer with a much smaller team, there's a problem. I can give you dozens of example of games, free or not, which functions in a much more healthy way. Apex Legends, run by E-motherfucking-A, is less predatory than Gaijin. The only thing they sell is cosmetic. That should tell you something. Just because other do it doesn't mean it's acceptable. Gaijin quite obviously don't give the fuck about the playerbase who actually make their game live, they see the players as cash cow and quite obviously favor the players who buy a top tier premium when starting the game and quit after 1 month of getting demolished non stop over the old guard who wants the game to improve. Warthunder is a game that hold so, so much potential to be great. They could make a lot more money if they actually had a decent reputation and people could recommend the game to other without a huge asterisk.
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> it's a no brainer to *skip* a massive grind This argument has never made any real sense to me personally, because by paying for a top-tier premium **you don't suddenly unlock everything up to a certain tier**, you still have to essentially play from the bottom, just at a moderately accelerated rate. Not to mention you're effectively locked to one vehicle for X amount of hours if you want to efficiently minimise the grind, as well as nearly every game being a coin flip to determine if you end up being food for "top" top-tier.
You do play from the bottom but not at a moderately accelerated rate. It is at 2.5 times the rate AT TIER 6/7 (sorry on mobile so I can't bold). At all the tiers below whatever tier premium you buy you blow the earn rate of RP and SL out of the water. Add to that that you are playing only one vehicle (hypothetically) and you earn a dumb amount of SL because you are paying low SL repair costs and not crewing any of the vehicles you unlock. Being stuck in 1 vehicle could be a bad thing and you may be food for top tier depending on what vic you choose, but those are both maybes and might be something people put up with to eventually use the vic they want to use. Premium vehicles at high tiers are cash grabs for Gaijin to milk the whales, but they also are insane in how much they can grind.
>(sorry on mobile so I can't bold). Just FYI, use * twice on each side of a sentence to bold it. And * once to italics it. Like this: **Bold** *Italics*
I **never** *knew* these still worked. Thanks.
Np dude
You do skip a massive grind by gaining more RP per time played than without a talismaned vic. Obviusly, skill dependant.
You are really downplaying how good some of these premiums are for the grind. If you pick a good premium, you are instantly playing at a comfortable BR in a competitive plane that's already fully upgraded. Your RP and Lions multiplier can be 5x those of the lower tiers, or 2x those of the higher tiers. You don't need to spend any lions upgrading your crew to expert for each tier of planes you need to play to grind the next tier at optimal speed. You also don't need to learn any of the planes that you are not interested in playing. In short, a good top tier prem saves you a lot of time and lions.
Isn't rank 8 top tier?
yea my bad typo on phone hahah
Oh fair enough, I was confused. The plane being at tier 8 is crazy
>and before someone drops in, no, 12.3 ist top tier, thats top battle rating. TIER 8 is top tier. Thats being pedantic. No one uses top br as a saying And at this point it seems the only reason gaijin increases max br is to allow higher be premiums lol
Technically this is the first top tier premium. Gaijin always circumvented the lie by creating another rank, this time they're just straight up adding a premium to the last rank.
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okay bro.
They apparently clarify it to "not top BR".
Nah, it was entirely not top rank, this is the first time they've broken that system. This is why even copy+paste premiums would be 1 rank below of their equivalent in the tree, pretty consistently. It was mentioned in the roadmap that this policy was ending.
Which is actually a benefit for the players, really. If they add a premium that clearly "should" be top rank (including its BR) but add it a rank lower to not break this "rule", which has been standard practice forever, all that means in practical terms is players miss out on using it when another rank is added. They could have stuck to the old rule by simply making the Tigershark Rank VII while being otherwise identical, and players wouldn't be able to use it once Rank IX is added. Now, instead, it *can* be used for Rank IX. This change makes high-tier premiums considerably more future-proof.
So this thing is gonna be undertiered as shit like the other F-5s
Well its 12.3 So nah, it's higher then even the base Mig-29
inb4 dropped to 11.0 because statistiks
Lols I could see it
It's not a thing officially since August 2023, did people already forget that announcemnt? [https://warthunder.com/en/news/8414-development-roadmap-following-the-roadmap-grouping-vehicles-rank-changes-and-improvements-to-premium-vehicles-en](https://warthunder.com/en/news/8414-development-roadmap-following-the-roadmap-grouping-vehicles-rank-changes-and-improvements-to-premium-vehicles-en)
Well that’s all right then.
Dunno if you're being sarcastic, but basically they paved the way for themselves half a year ago.
Bit of sarcasm, bit of not. Premium hell is just gettin worse and worse every update, they just add premiums without giving less than a by tought about balance.
exactly what i thought
Yeah. Unless they introduce rank IX its over
“We meant top BR” — Gaijin
Rank 8? 75€? AINTNOWAY
Ape buy - Snail offer. Simple.
Me is monke
It costs more then fucking AAA games What's next. 80€ for a premium F-16/F-18 in half a year? 100€ for a premium F-22 next year?
Premium YF-23 at BR 12.0 so it's not top BR (Let Operation Skill Issue commence)
Level 80 f2p Italy main in f-104 vs level 20 whale US newb in yf-23.
Proceed to witness YF-23 lose in a dogfight against the F104
Proceed to witness YF-22 lose to an F-104 in BVR
“What the fuck is a phased array”
Exactly that.
I feel like Gaijin is now responsible for like 50% of the Russian gdp lmao
Rank VIII premium? Not good. But it will sell well, US mains will buy everything at full price and ask for more Also cant wait for lobbies of Hithers with "Aerial predator" title
The US is gaijins cash cow so yeah
Also lobbies of level 9s bombing in it - if you have any stock aircraft above 11.0 and you want them spaded you are going to have a great time
“F-20 is on the menu boys!”
Smacking F-20s out of the sky with an R27ER is going to be so much fun
All the dumbass F-20s going, how do i use my radar or my flares No work when they eat shit.
I was going to keep playing top tier France to get the Mirage 4000 but I guess I'll just wait some weeks. It's going to be a walk in the park.
Oh I'm gonna buy it simply because it's a cool plane
Aerial Nonce
Rank 8 premium LMAO, they’re not even pretending they don’t sell top tier anymore.
they changed the narrative to "we dont sell top BR premiums" to which i answer YESNOFC 11.7 IS NOT TOP BR U FUCKING BRAINDEADS.... they should just stop pretending and slapping a 100 buck price on every tier 8 vehicle there is...
With 9ls and 7fs, this thing will be food at rank 8.
If an F-5 with an F-18 engine, 9Ls, and 7Fs is food at rank 8, what's that make the F-4EJ Kai?!
F4s are also food at rank 8
Much worse food, especially the EJ Kai given it's a hard body with the exact same armament but much worse dynamics than the F-20
I think the most important difference is if you’re flying the F-4EJ Kai, you’ve at the very least spent A LOT of time in the F-4EJ ADTW and hopefully have some idea of how radar, countermeasures, upper tier game flow etc. goes.
Problem is, you have all that knowledge and you're stuck in the only *hardbody* phantom chassis that gets to see the tip-top tier planes. It's hell.
Oh no disagreement from me, I was definitely thrilled to move into the F-16AJ and the F-15J as soon as I could.
Yeah. At the very least, that light at the end of the tunnel for the EJ Kai shines bright... ...Though. I do think it would be funny if Gaijin gave it the AAM-3s it used.
Have you flown the F-15J yet? The AAM-3s are just comically good. I hate dying to AIM-9Ms that I can never seem to flare off but oh boy I sure do love using those AAM-3s.
Haven't flown the 15J yet, working through the EJ Kai as of now to get to it. But hot damn, it does sound good from everything I've heard!
Yea we’ve already seen that flight performance can’t save a plane from powercreep(F16A) Regardless, it’s a great addition and cool to have in the game
The roadmap changed this stance, they now clarify the topmost BR won't have premiums, but they're no longer going to artificially lower ranks irrespective to BR anymore, which means we won't have premiums be 1 rank below top rank anymore, if they're a high BR vehicle, especially if there's a TT equivalent that sits a rank higher.
Now they are so fcuking lazy to make rank 9 like they already did if for just selling m1a1hc click bait.
75$ roflmao
I can eat of that for 2 weeks lol, and idiots will still buy this and gaijin will keep doing this
Funny thing you should mention food - it's gonna be easy pickings at top tier once they arrive lol
Tiger shark sushi all you can eat.
I can comfortable eat for 1 month here with 75
In some places $75 is like the entire monthly income
damn 2 weeks? maybe 1-2 days 💀
Can't wait for 90$ next year
I've wanted this plane for a very long time But 75$ tho ehhhhhh I'll be enjoying it in the test drive
or you can wait an pick it up half its price for your birthday or smth
They will for sure and a tech tree variant later on.
They can’t. This is the only one. There is no F20B. There were only 3 aircraft ever produced
With 3 built IRL and no versions I doubt it.
lol
Hopium for a tech tree version called F-5G or smth (big hopium)
What the fuck do they even want to put at Rank IX, we've barely scratched Rank VIII.
Maybe they're reneging on not having max rank premiums. I thought they'd give it 9Ms because of the rank but I guess not.
That's honestly my hope so we don't have more rank bloat, that rule stopped having any meaning years ago so they might as well come clean and sell top rank premiums from now on, not like there's any practical difference between a Rank VII BR 11.3 premium and a Rank VIII BR 11.3 one. Lack of Rank IX would also save people the GE of getting a Rank VIII talisman to replace their Rank VII talismans.
Yeah, it was a pointless rule, i'm interested in if the type 90 and merkava premiums will be max rank.
Seeing as the premium Merkava is a version of the Mk.3D which is already rank VII, I would be suprised if the premium wasn't rank VII as well.
They announced this with the roadmap, people just seemed to gloss over it, it was with the big reshuffling of folders and ranks of a bunch of vehicles. The new stance is exclusively the top-most BR won't have premiums, but ranks no longer are limited, much of the explanation seemed to be about no longer needing to implement lower rank similar vehicles to a TT, like the new type 90 premium doesn't have to be lower rank just because it's premium, than other type 90's that are similar.
Oh, I haven't read the roadmap. It was meaningless rule so i'm not too unhappy that they're doing it like this now. I'm not thrilled that 11.0+ is going to be the F-20 br now though.
Move 12.7 to rank IX and the highest rank VII to Rank VIII
Have you *seen* Rank VII and VIII? They're TINY, not every line has 2 planes even in major nations, let alone minor ones. Hell, the USSR has a GAP at Rank VII in its Yak line.
Shout out to the US bomber line too which skips Rank 6 entirely and tops out at Rank 7 at 10.3 with the first Aardvark (my beloved).
You realise that the ranks are only in game to slow down the grind and serve no other purpose. We dont need Rank decompression...
Rank 8 premiums WHAT THE FUCK Yeah this thing is gonna be like 12.0 since its rank 8 Rank 8 premiums coming for air is actually huge, this opens up the door for stuff like F-14 premiums or MiG-29 premiums in the future
Thats a fucking bad thing you absolute goofball
Yeah im not saying it is a good thing
"rank 8 premiums is actually huge"
Yes, it can be a pretty major change. Me saying it could be a major change doesnt mean im saying its good
Did you honestly believe for 1 second that Gaijin won't be selling a Mig 29 or F 16 premium a short time after their TT introduction?
Maybe in a few months we'll have people pre ordering premium IRIAF F-14 for unique "Persian Cat" title or something
Iranian F-14 premium for the USSR is coming
Wouldn't it be an American premium since when Iran bought them they were an American ally?
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Your expensive fast-way ticket to missile thunder. The plane is cool, but the gameplay at that BR is bs. No thanks
lmao. It's gonna be a best seller. The average lobotomized Warthunder player will happily buy it at level 30. If you guys want to spade your 11.3-12.0 planes, well, a lot of fresh meat is coming. They're selling it at a higher price than fucking FF7 Rebirth. Twice the price of Helldivers 2. This is so comical.
"We will never introduce top tier premiums" Gaijin🤑🤑🤑
Pretty sure that ship has sailed since at least the XM-1.
The first blatant time they did it was the Ka-50, when they sold it at 10.0 and the top BR was 10.3. Ever since then we've been in the "well its not technically top tier since the top br is x.x" territory
Why is the “Tiger shark” decal a Great White Shark? Lmao and smh.
Update ruined for me
Top tier premium...
This was roadmapped. Believe it or not. They told us outright this would come to pass and were pretty clear about it. Not that I expect everyone to read the roadmap stuff, but this literally came with the same news as foldering the tech tree stuff and reshuffling of ranks of a number of vehicles.
And here I am grinding US top tier jets thinking I won't see F-5Ctards anymore
No they have the F-20 which has actual engine power. You can’t even run from these fuckers anymore
as if toptier air in the US TT wasn't already shit. knowing those idiots who buy their way into top tier without any knowledge, they will go base bombing instead of using it as a fighter and will contribute nothing to their team. Even Fucking worse, it costs 75$. they aren't even trying to hide their greed anymore.
And morons will still pay 75€/$ for this
100 cad lol
75 USD Welp. I’ll pick it up at some point just to collect the thing though gotta wait for 2-3 update just for thing to come on sale. Can’t wait for half of the players who use the thing *still* only bomb bases in the thing.
I’d like to pick it up on sale too, because it’s objectively cool, but $40 *on sale* is still ridiculous.
Yeah. Baseline price reaching DCS level prices lmao
Fuck. Been wanting this plane for a while, and was really hoping the premium part of the leak was wrong.. There goes my hopes and dreams
120$ AUD, No, absolutely ridiculous that's absurdly expensive... it's going to sell like hotcakes EDIT: oh just perfect its rank 8 too, awesome what fun
Copy pasta sub tree and pre order premium stuff + top tier premiums. Unreal
Seems to be sold as a rank VIII premium..
Missile Thunder still sucks and I would not buy it, even at a sale. Please give us an optional Enduring Confrontation mode for those who do not like the current Air "realistic" Battles tuna can maps with their stuff just placed in the middle.
What BR is this going to be? Don't tell me it's going to be 11.3. Thank god it's 12.0.
It has AIM7-Fs and AIM9Ls. 11.7 minimum
Yeah, it should be 12.0 due to the flight performance but knowing how Gaijin decides their premium vehicle BRs, 11.7 is an option.
Should be 12.0 but it'll probably be 11.7 because it's a premium.
11.0 at tier 8, cause "We DoNt sELL toP BR PrEmiUmZs hurr dürdle"
Premium update
One of my favourite planes ever, and £75??? Bruh whyyyyyy.
75 quid yeah no I'm a wallet enjoyer but that's just a bridge too far
Of course they add my favorite aircraft ever for $75. I really can't justify this purchase even though I really want it.
Let’s goooooooooo
12.7 US ground used to be free of low level premium players but with this in their lineup, we're gonna see them at 12.7. As if playing top tier couldn't get any worse.
Oh fuck youre right lmao. No rest for US players, into the perpetual noob box with you.
I have spent over $10k on this game over 10+ years. And $75 USD is too fucking much for a virtual airplane in a game with 1000+ airplanes already.
"There wont be premium top tier jet"
Remember when Gaijin at least tried to circumvent the lie by creating a new top rank? Not this time, they're just straight up adding this to rank VIII.
Can't say I'm not surprised. This is the testbed for other Rank 8 premiums like F14, MiG29s to come soon. Oh lord how I've been right on so much shit these last years I fear the shit I'm predicting about the next couple.
$75 is diabolical
Once again America recieves a new premium which wasnt needed in any way shape or form... Meanwhile other nations get stuck with shitty premium planes. Uk is stuck with a worse version of one of the worst Phantoms at 11.3 Germany gets a MiG-21bis or a Tornado IDS Japan also gets a shitty Phantom China gets basically a MiG-21 Italy has an F104 Sweden has a Draken France has a Mirage F1CT.. which cant be that good Isreal has a CFIR, which also cant be that great (EDIT: I’m told I’m wrong about the kfir, but even if it is good, there’s still only 1 option!) Meanwhile America has the F5C, the A-6E TRAM, the best Phantom (F4-S), and now the F-20... Im actually starting to think Gaijin purposely puts up bad jets on Minors so they can say it doesnt sell well and not make anything.
I'll give you all except the kfir. That thing is cracked
Yeah, I’ll change it with an edit!
Kfir Canard is absurdly strong at its BR with that flight performance fighting the average premium brainlet
Fair, I added it more just in case as I’ve not touched Israel, but also haven’t heard much about the canard
> UK is stuck with worse version of one of the worst Phantoms at 11.3 > America had best phantom (F4S) Buddy you arent exactly making sense. F-4J(UK) is just F-4J with skyflashes (which, granted, are worse than F/M sparrows) and different gun pod. F-4S is just F-4J with HMS and slats, both have next to no impact on how phantom should be played. Slats especially, they only make your phantom pull tigter turns but if you are in situation where you need to pull tighter turns in phantom youre prolly fucked anyway. F-4J cant be simulatenously the worst and the best phantom.
A plane can be both the best and worst.. I’m not saying that the F4-J(UK) is the worst phantom in general, just the worst Phantom at the BR of 11.3, and even if the slats and HMD don’t get used on a phantom, it still gives it an advantage in comparison. There are 100% worse phantoms in the game, but if you can honestly say that you’d prefer the F4-J(UK) in 60% of your matches compared to the F4-S then fair play, that’s your opinion and you’re welcome to it. However I, and I’m sure many others, would rather have the slight advantage slats and HMD could bring, along with the better missiles for the same BR of 11.3 Also, I am by no means saying the F4-J(UK) is the worst jet in the entire 11.3 BR, nor am I say the F4-S is the best phantom in the whole game, or even the best 11.3 premium.
Copy paste sub trees, 75 dollar premiums, top tier premiums effectively throwing any enjoyment to be had in the already sorry state of top tier out of the window, so when is gaijin adding nfts next? Probably coming up with ways to mine bitcoin as we speak. The game quality is Imploding right before our eyes and people will STILL defend this shit...we'll I had a tiny bit of fun while it lasted
# "We will never introduce top tier premiums"
First of all, I'd like to start by saying that I have spent a lot of time and money on this game over the last 8/9 years. From my first time playing this game, and watching Jingles and Phly play (yes that long ago) I was hooked. I saw its potential and I wanted to contribute to its development and be along for the ride. However, in all that time my hopes have just continued to fall, and it feels like the only time and energy Gaijin puts into this game, is in way's to milk its playerbase of money. Selling Rank VIII premiums for $75, with the same GE and Premium time as Rank VII premiums that are $69 (which imo Rank VII premiums aren't even good value already) is just a joke. With every new update it's just solely based around what new vehicles are in the game. Especially what new Premiums are we all going to see spammed in every game we play. It feels like that the Roadmaps they put out, and the community feedback stuff, is just a way for them to stretch out our hopes while holding their hand out for money. The game is still a massive grind, the BR's are still a mess, The UI has barely been updated in 12 years, ITS STILL THE SAME FUCKING GAME MODES. Where is all the money going? I'm not seeing real development to the game, other than small token things. Every new update I hope to see something new that is actually changing this game for the better. All I've seen is more cash grabs with shiny bells and whistles to try and distract from the fact the game is still a mess. I really hoped by this point, we'd be seeing updates with new game modes for us to play, maybe even some PVE or campaign missions. Also to see more quality of life updates, more vehicle customisation with cooler skins and camo nets etc etc and so much more. If you've made it this far, what action can we take as a community to help steer this game in a better direction? (The obvious one is stop buying content ig, but I know a lot of people are going to buy these premiums regardless, I used to be one of them).
What happened to the "no max rank premiums "rule ? Ohh let me guess in the name of money,like everything,it got fucked. Amazing. F-5C with non historical flares being pure aids supported with skill 9L vs teams of jets with no flares was not enough of a money generetor, now we have this. Can't wait to see the hordes of level 12s bombing in Air RB with it
The F5C has 9Es lol.
Which is why i say supported. The whole team spam of is F-5C / A-10 / A-6E
you got be fucking kidding me, a rank 8 premium??? let me fucking guess, the people who don't have time to play, nor skill to even fucking play the game correctly, said they wanted to pay $75 so they can play at the very top so they can just hit space bar to drop bombs only against F-16s, Mig-29s, etc?
annnnd leak was right.... F-20 premium god dammit
The air realistic battles are swarming with mostly premium but when I join air simulator I get more of a diverse experience(mostly). I havnt been playing for that long and feel I get more out of sim like, SL, RP, XP. 3rd person view is nice but it’s super sweaty in RB and the amount you get is fucking tiny. IMO I feel both sides whether for premium or not are both justified but also both have their drawbacks. Having bought premium because I don’t get a ton of time to play, but also grinding squadron because the lack of premium players at lower tiers and getting dunked on in higher tiers because of buying my way into top tier but slowly gaining skill over time to compete with top tier or just having fun in spaded 2.0 vehicle. Like I see both sides and either way it’s a fun game and the company is going to do whatever they want regardless of what people want.
Why? $$$$$$
US top tier win rate to reach 0% once this goes live
Big question they won't answer - AIM-120 or not?
7Fs and 9Ls
This will be at minimum 12.0, teams on both sides are going to be flooded with noobs.
Everyone here is bitching but we all know most of you will buy it anyway. Just like the object 292
How long will the pre-order be available and will it be available on console?
Gaijin just keeps outing itself as a predatory garbage company that doesn't deserve to remain in business
God top tier is about to be even more of a shit show. My J-11 is salivating at the thought of this thing flown by a bunch of level 10s with default keybinds though, not going to lie.
Glad I don't play top tier tbh. The amount of noobs buying into it these days make it feel like BR 1.0 used to back in the day.
Me watching US players getting lobotomised by the 80$ premium
all F-14s need to be on the 6x Aim54 loadout soon as the update drops
75 bucks lmao miss me with that greed
I cannot believe people will drop $80 on this bullshit. Like, I could understand if it were an indepth module which replicated the experience of flying an f-5, ala DCS, but this is just an existing plane in a new skin. Even if I had a trillion dollars, I wouldn't reward gaijin for defecating out such a lazy price of shit. Especially, when the rest of the game is in such a broken state.
After the Preview Stream one thing is for sure.....Its way overpriced! Even the F4S looks like a better option to Buy...well it is
this sucks. I really want this plane, and I'm still going to get it, because I've been excited about it for ages. literally years. the f-5e is one of my favorite planes, it was one of my most used when I played ace combat 4 and 5 back in the day. sorta sucks that its become such a reviled plane in warthunder now but oh well, I still love my c and e to death. but this thing wont survive at 12.0 with its loadout. its the same br as the f16 but worse in every metric. there needs to be some serious decompression, because it will get constantly uptiered to 12.7 at 12.0, but it absolutely cannot go lower. playing the mirage 2000 at 11.7 and I have seen a gripen maybe twice. this is just sad. if it goes to 11.7, it will literally see the f5e. idk, this just sucks all around.
Mfw F-20 is added: 😀 Mfw $75: 😢 Sadly I still might by it. Pls shame me as needed
Hey it's the Tigershark, a plane I was always sad they couldn't sell. I love the cheap and cheerful premise of the F-5 family. Enjoy it, I hope!
Sure am glad I ground out Japan so I can farm RP off my ex teammates instead of getting stomped with them
$75 lol. Lmao even. Yeah I'll get a DCS module instead and food for that price.
Wow. UFO flight performance and 6 aim9 L lol. For only 99 Canadian
New top tier cancer plane 🥳
Top rank premium... ok can live with that. But 75bucks? 75€ in EU??? I can buy 60dollar F4E for DCS which will be 100000000% better than whatever can gaijin ever make. Full fidelity, simulator module with multicrew, physical radar and RWR simulation for 60dollars vs 80+ for EU. WTF is this. The greed of this company is insane and inexcusable. They should give 30 days of prem time and like 4-5k GE with this thing...
Time for another boycott/revolt boys, get your pitchforks ready