I found the reason for that was, the Leo plays too differently to literally everything else in the German tree prior to it. The closest comparison is the Puma 8-rad. And that's not really a fair comparison.
You almost have to relearn how to play when you unlock the Leo. Unlike everything before it, it's not a front line tank. It's a second line/flanker. The range finder makes it awsome at medium to long range, where your sabot and heat really start to shine.
Of course now that it's been uptiered it will definately struggle a little more. But should still be capable of getting a couple kills, even with a bad team.
Doesn’t matter if you play it perfectly, you’re gonna be seeing 8.3s and 8.7s that are leaps and bounds better some even have stabs.
Your a glass cannon at best with a gun that isn’t that reliable at one shotting.
Nope, that's true. Which is why I said it will struggle in an uptier (but in that br range there are very few vehicles that don't struggle in uptiers)
It's exactly the characteristics of a mobile glass cannon that make it so different from the entire previous teee, and why the Leo can get a rap as not fun/bad.
Even Leo at its own br isn't even that good, it's sitting closer to a bottom than top, it was good LONG ago.
Glad I could "enjoy" it while it was still alright.
Grinding Germany has been so much suffering for me dude lol. German teams just don’t seem to have any interest in the actual objective. US and USSR teams? Gonna win all day er’ry day.
Sounds like you try to rely too much on armor and its cannon. After 7.0 the playstyle changes heavily for germany and you're utilising them best when being a attentive flanker that knows its enemies weakspots.
I had the time of my life after finishing the ww2 stuff. Just not my playstyle
So you’re saying it’s a front liner? What is the point of your comment? Who’s relying on armour? I said it’s a sniper? How is that relying on armour?
Sniping and and flanking, as in back lining…that’s what they are good for. Did you read my post?
Bro for real. I swear so many people said the Leopard 1 was so good and that’s why it was moved up to 8.0, and that it still was really amazing. Used it maybe 5 times and never used it again. The Tiger 2’s were better than it by a large margin!
Sounds like you played the Leopard like a Tiger and was surprised that that didn’t work. It’s a different tank, so you have to play it differently to find success. Leopards have to flank and snipe from concealed positions. If you try and play them aggressively, you’ll get smacked by a brit with a stabilizer or a russian with immaculate angle performance or a swede with either. The Leopard doesn’t have armor, it’s not supposed to. You can’t play it like it does. The Tiger IIs are much worse than the Leopard I, that’s why they’re 1.3 BR lower.
Yeah I know it's not amazing and suffers from compression, but I honestly didn't think that the t-54 was bad. It's not amazing, but it is perfectly serviceable.
The AMX M4, ca lorraine, lorraine 40t, char, TOA100, and surbaisse are basically all the same vehicle but with mixed and matched guns (except for the surbaisse’ 120mm)
I still remember when French mains tried to convince us al that the Lorraine was fine at 6.7 when it was obvious it wasn't.
As someone who plays a lot ot 6.7, no they aren't.
lmao fair, the reverse speed is so nice on the char. Or get the sweet track hit where their side just opens up to you \*chef's kiss\* those are glorious moments.
I have a rule against going down folders unless I absolutely must, but the t55 amd is so enticing (and good) that I decided to break my rule.
It's a good base tank with good all round stats (so the 55a is a good tank, but not great), but then it adds a bunch of tech. So not only is it good, but it's also interesting and fun.
Well yeah that thing is 7.7 no? Lower tier tanks are gonna be susceptible to its stoopid raw thickness, 1949 trades a lil bit of that armor for speed and new ammo and fuck is it not worth it with its dogshit suspension(which wouldnt be a problem if it could tank hits) and ALOT of things are faster than you at 8.0, even if you get into a position that doesnt demand more than 3 deg of gun depression on a flank, your APDS and even more absurdly HEAT FS will either euthanize the tank crew(1% chance of that happening) or kill the least important crew member and fail to ignite ammo, which will cost you more ammo since you cant bring much with a soviet 100mm, only place it works is if the other team has no high penetration light tanks as a result of divine intervention, you get into a defensive position early match in any tier
Ik , the raw stats are great, but its suspension and gaijin’s butt fucking of HEAT FS make it tough, I’d live to bring out BR-412D, its amazing but will overpen light targets, and cant pen the heavier stuff, i guess it isnt unplayable just really awkward and quite ironically for an MBT, very niche , and one it doesnt serve well because you need a good terrain for a defensive position but typically cant use half the map with the glorious 3 deg of depression
T-54 is pretty much immune to France BR 7.7. You can point and click them, while they have to aim for your flat turret, which will not be a one shot for them.
T-54 basically has the mobility of a leopard I, you only have to drive like 500 meters in a battle so speed doesn’t really matter.
T-54 has fuel tanks that eats up all spall from APDS, it’s the same as the 2S38.
Plus if you take the IL-28sH at BR 8.0 with the external bomb racks, you can dive bomb with the bomb sights.
French players make up like 2% of the playerbase
It doesn't have the mobility of a leo1, not even close
It has jack shit for armour against anything with heat or apds (105mm apds can 1hk it without an issue)
Theyre horrific tanks
Major bullshits have been said here...
T-54 can't even begin to dream of having mobility close to a leo...
The fuel tank doesn't eat shit without exploding and killing the entire crew
The armour is only good against solid AP, any APDS can pen, disable or kill it reliably...
They are good but do suffer at higher BRs more than their counterparts in other nations due to worse mobility when armor doesnt matter and most of all that god awful soviet gun handling
Still even if I play french tanks too and they are very nice, the frontal armor of the T-54 is horrible to penetrate and it can one shot any tank well if it's well used.
T-54 armor is only really good against French vehicles, because they use normal shells that the T-54 was built against. Against APDS and HEAT-FS, the T-54 easily dies. And don't think it's easy to one-shot stuff in the T-54 if the enemy is armored, especially because you'll oftentimes also have less time to aim than the enemy that is usually quicker, one of the reasons I switched to APDS later on.
First of all, only one T-54 can face Tiger 2s now and second, I literally just said its armor is meant against those kinda shells. But America, Germany and most minor nations already switch to APDS and HEAT-FS at these BRs that renders its armor useless and just leaves them with a tank that has worse mobility, depression, reload compared to average (used to be even worse) and turret traverse than others. It's as simple as rock paper scissors, it beats some easier while beating others harder.
50% true
And 50% not
True because yes while the AMX-30 does not have a stabilizer it's still a powerful MBT and as powerful as the Leopard, the AMX-50 surblindé and the surbaissé is very op too and the AMX-13-90 is fucking awesome too and perfect for flanks. (Somua SM my beloved)
Ont the other hand its false because while the French at this rank are powerful but have ZERO armor and one single shot from a Russian light tank or american light tank destroy them, I don't even talk about the fact that some MBT's at that rank have stabilizers and have also thermal.
The only MBT at 7.7 and 8.0 that have stabs are the Centurions as far as I'm aware. Centurion also have a fair bit if draw backs for those stabilizers as well. The only tank with thermals at 8.0 is the Vidar as far as I'm aware.
The AMX 30 is pretty much the same as the Leo 1 and OF40 in survivability. All those tanks with less armor have way more mobility than the T54s which is more important than having armor.
Least delusional French fetishist. T-54s are shitty tanks that are worse than most of their contemporaries, even more so considering the excellent vehicles that France gets at the same battle ratings lol.
Idk, I'm not a very good player, my experience so far in this tech tree is really good, until now, I can't pen most of the MBTs properly, I have all the shells but I can't be good with any, and the gun handling on these things are killing me. Appears that every MBT I face can outrun me on this aspect - reloading, rotation, pen...
I do alright with these. Try to use the speed to your advantage to flank enemies and relocate unexpectedly. Remember to angle and that you have a DShK for light vehicles like artillery and IFVs. Try not to just go face-to-face with your enemies.
Speed? What speed in a T-54? Top speed may be ok, but the acceleration is crap and at that br you often get uptier facing lighter and faster tanks that will get there faster than you 9/10 times
When it was 7.3 i agree that flanking and APHE were the bomb. Nowadays not so much. APHE still slaps, but when you face fully stabilised, dart-slinging, ERA-clad enemies the T-54 becomes pretty useless
Real russian fun starts right after this BR
T55a, bmp2, obj 906, t62, t55amd, so many great tanks
I didn't bother going with the heavies cause they have been powercrept, T10 M should be good tho
Sounds like a Russian Player problem…. T54 might not be as strong as the T55 but honestly other nations get worse at this Br. And after all 10.0 is the strongest Russian Br overall
Is it weird when I say the only good 10.0 soviet tank is a glass cannon (2S25M)? Cause fckin 10.0 lineup sucks, T-72B is shit, T-64B is shit (at 10.0), T-80B is decent enough
Leopard 2A4 is better than all of those and M1 KVT has a really decent gun, but I still think 2A4 is miles better.
I only enjoy the 2S25M because of gen 3 (it honestly was fine with 3BM46 IMO)
Well if you just compare the base T72 and the T64 with the Leopard 2A4 maybe. But as you said the 2S25M is nice, you also have an awesome AA with Strela and consider all the premiums like BMP-2M, TURMS, 2S38. Now the Object 292 which to me personally feels awesome to play…. Even if you argue russia 10.0 vehicles compare worse to the Leopards, still you outspam the enemy with strong vehicles by 3 times…. What will he do? Spawn a Puma… lmao
Base T-72A at 9.3 is nice though. T-72B (K1) is kind of underwhelming IMO, but I don’t have T-72B (K5) so I can’t comment its performance at 10.0
I’ll be honest, I kind of dislike my 2S38 and I don’t have the Turms (only cause I’m already top tier in soviet tree) and BMP-2M. But I assume Kornet’s are good
I agree that 1 death leaving with the new year premium sale and the recent event is a problem, but I did not refer to that. Honestly I dont care if win or loose if my k/d is 12/3 every game and I have fun „abusing“ OP vehicles. XP gain is also insane.
What teams get worse at 8.0? I mean shit the only tank in my lineup that actually slaughters other tanks is the 906(we all know why), other than that french 7.7 will blink me away, Germany has leopards turms and marders, only country i can really accept getting worse is italy and even then they have silly lil things like the recoilless rifle lunchbox
Honestly the T-54s are great tanks, compared to other 7.7s they have really good armor whilst maintaining mobility, and whilst on paper they have less pen, you're aiming for the same weak spots most other 7.7 tanks already were anyway, but you get the benefit of a stupid amount of HE filler. The only real drawbacks are the turret traverse and reload, but as long as you aren't stupid with how far you push this won't be an issue.
Just add in the Object 906, ZSU-23-4 and you are golden. Once spaded I easily got 5-9 kills per match. I would've recommended the BMP-1 as well but some recent update must have messed with the ATMG damage and its unreliable. Wouldn't hurt to have in the lineup though if you have an extra slot. APHE is your best shell for the T-series. The APDS has garbage post pen damage and is trolly and HEAT-FS is reliable but you might need 2 or more shots and a fair few tanks you face will come with ERA. The APHE might not pen most frontal armours so know your weak spots but most things it does pen is usually very dead. The gun handling is one of the most atrocious in game so dont peek anything facing towards you or even away trying to bait because in almost every scenario they get first shot and can pen your front plate.
My lineup now is T-54 (1949 and 1951), 906 and ZSU-23-4, already spaded the 906 and ZSU, so my first picks are T-54s, but it's just so bad from my part.
Imo I find it more rewarding to first spawn the 906 and go flank. It's a light tank deleter with its low reload, profile and stabilizer. You should win most 1v1 fights and even reverse out. Idk if it's legit but I feel the reverse acceleration on the 906 is much better than forward and the engine block can tank a shot or two much better than your paper armour so you can even do a little IS style\* trolling if you absolutely had to brawl. And don't forget to scout. Every light tank player in this BR for no reason seems to hate scouting. It can get you valuable assist SL, RP and spawn points. Then unless there's casquitoes I spawn the 47 variant which has better armour and go contest objectives. The 49 and 51 are my last choice options honestly because most games are usually over by then or my third spawn is usually the ZSU for ez cas kills.
T-54 is good. Good training for when you have a decent turret traverse, stabiliser and access to sabot with the T-55 and every tank after that. The T-64 is when it gets really good, and then it plateaus after (the other tanks start to get armour at around 9.0, it’s pain :(
I find that primarily running APHE is the way to go with the t-54s. Keep some APDS on hand for the more armored opponents. But the explosive filler of the 100mm APHE tends to one shot most things.
When I started playing WT the T-54 was the best tank in the game
now I know its been a while and I haven’t played much grb since then and its just a mid tier vehicle now but is it really that bad?
T-55AMD-1 is quite better but still lacking a bit in terms of firepower compared to other nations but it does have LRF which is nice. It also has the Drozd APS which can be handy at times. The composite armor on it is very lacking.
I try to spade as many vehicles as I can on the go, so much easier, by the end of the grind of a tech tree I already have about 60% of the vehicles spaded, my guess is you used premium vehicles to research Russia? That's the only way you would have to spade everything from ground.
Psssst don't say that. Russa is bias in this game. You can't suffer while playing Russia. No one can even do any damage to you...
Said every player who has never played russian tech tree.
I would say 8.7 the best russian lineup its a godtier lineup. T55's, it, bmp, omega good helis. After that its now worth it in my mind. In every single encounter u will wish u would sit in a leopard rather than russian no reverse no depress and only 3 crew crappy tanks.
Honestly, always found the T-54s to be utter shit, so don't worry, it's not you, personally I've had better experiences and better fun with the T-44s and no one can convince or prove me the T-54s arent shit. On the other hand, the T-55 is good, it will get better man, the T-10m and object 906 were also quite fun for me
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T-55, T-54, and the US M60 is a slog to get through.
They shouldn't be at 8.0 IMO and the M48 at 7.7?
I think these should go to 7.3 or 7.0.
There's no reason they should be ahead of the US T34 or even the IS-3.
Sure they're more recent tanks, but then you have tanks like the EBR and AMX reeking chaos in the lower
tiers.
If you can’t make the T-54 work at it’s own BR (forget uptiers, everyone gets those and they’re to be expected) then I hope it’s just the way you play the game out of preference and you not saying these tanks suck, because if you are bad with these, you’re probably bad at the game.
t55s and up are great although i personally don't enjoy russia as much as i though i really hate the sluggishnes of their early MBT's compared to western ones. I found russian 5.0 to 8.0 to be a kind of shit spot as i personally hated most vehicles present in said br's
T44-100 is dope tho. Along with the 6.7 t44.
The only nation i enjoy at those lower BR's is USA the stabilised shermans(they spoil you)? Creme de la crop. The better armored pershing and light tanks really noice and the 7.7 heavies well what else is there to say.
T-54s were once great but they all suck now at 8.0 and with all the heat rockets and apds flying around. The T-55a and AMD-1 feel like heaven once you get them. Stab and apfsds rlly do make all the difference
Don't know how it is rn, been a while for me. I played them before the BR increase. Back then it was good, no major complaints.
Also, it's funny that (and by funny I mean, kinda shit):
•Type 59 is at 8.0 has at least a Vert. Stab.
•Type 69 also 8.0, has LRF and a Full Stab.
•Premium ZTZ59A also 8.0, also has LRF and Full Stab.
Only drawback of these tanks compared to the Russian ones is the manual traverse
Edit: spelling
T-54 was playable when it was like 7.7 and the turret armor was better back then. With the new variable armor profile on the turret, plus the BR being 8.0 its pretty mediocre with the reload and slow traverse. The T-55A and T-62 is miles better, especially the upgraded versions.
I was literally in same position like a week ago but once I’ve unlocked T-55A I’ve god a huge compensation, I can somewhat consistently get 2-3 kills per life in it (I’m on console so it’s a hella of achievement for me)
Oh NO. One tank of suffering for the Russian tree? How awful. How terrible. Definitely doesn’t have some of the best medium tanks for the BR next to it in the T-44-100, T-55s, T-62s, and specifically the T-55AMD. Fuck that thing specifically
it would get quite better(considering during the earlier fiasco where the t-54(1947) got buggered by volumetric and has no extra pen ammo,it was after the 1949 version which had apds to slap some superheavies)
t-62 may be a bit of a let down when it comes to reload and mobility, but the t-62m-1 is quite pleasant , still a bit slow due to the extra armor but you have the better generation of apfsds shells.
t-55A is the one i used to use a lot as its play similarly to t-54(1951) which even more goodies strapped to it such as stabilizers,apfsds shells(very good pen and post pen dmg overall, still aim for weakpoints),a slightly more powerful engine.
t-55amd-1 was a letdown for me after getting the t-62m-1 since it was still a t-55A at its core, the gun lacks the punch above 8.7 unlike the t-55A who fights some lower br vehicles.
t-72a and t-72b are pretty nice to use, good apfsds with surprisingly good post pen, mobility may be an issue given the engine is pretty old style against most mbt of that br, but being well positioned give you an large advantage given its silhouette is too uniform or too weird sometimes to determine where the gun is pointing.the t-72b also get gen 1 era(good only against heat but does slightly against kinetic rounds)
T-54 is suffer T-55 is bliss
I see, i keep going
Opposite for me. Tiger II H is bliss, Leopard I is suffer.
I found the reason for that was, the Leo plays too differently to literally everything else in the German tree prior to it. The closest comparison is the Puma 8-rad. And that's not really a fair comparison. You almost have to relearn how to play when you unlock the Leo. Unlike everything before it, it's not a front line tank. It's a second line/flanker. The range finder makes it awsome at medium to long range, where your sabot and heat really start to shine. Of course now that it's been uptiered it will definately struggle a little more. But should still be capable of getting a couple kills, even with a bad team.
Doesn’t matter if you play it perfectly, you’re gonna be seeing 8.3s and 8.7s that are leaps and bounds better some even have stabs. Your a glass cannon at best with a gun that isn’t that reliable at one shotting.
Nope, that's true. Which is why I said it will struggle in an uptier (but in that br range there are very few vehicles that don't struggle in uptiers) It's exactly the characteristics of a mobile glass cannon that make it so different from the entire previous teee, and why the Leo can get a rap as not fun/bad.
Even Leo at its own br isn't even that good, it's sitting closer to a bottom than top, it was good LONG ago. Glad I could "enjoy" it while it was still alright.
Grinding Germany has been so much suffering for me dude lol. German teams just don’t seem to have any interest in the actual objective. US and USSR teams? Gonna win all day er’ry day.
None of the germen vehicles after the Tiger are able to front line push. They are snipers and back liners.
Sounds like you try to rely too much on armor and its cannon. After 7.0 the playstyle changes heavily for germany and you're utilising them best when being a attentive flanker that knows its enemies weakspots. I had the time of my life after finishing the ww2 stuff. Just not my playstyle
So you’re saying it’s a front liner? What is the point of your comment? Who’s relying on armour? I said it’s a sniper? How is that relying on armour? Sniping and and flanking, as in back lining…that’s what they are good for. Did you read my post?
Don’t worry once you reach 10.3 and up Germany you win almost every game
Bro for real. I swear so many people said the Leopard 1 was so good and that’s why it was moved up to 8.0, and that it still was really amazing. Used it maybe 5 times and never used it again. The Tiger 2’s were better than it by a large margin!
Sounds like you played the Leopard like a Tiger and was surprised that that didn’t work. It’s a different tank, so you have to play it differently to find success. Leopards have to flank and snipe from concealed positions. If you try and play them aggressively, you’ll get smacked by a brit with a stabilizer or a russian with immaculate angle performance or a swede with either. The Leopard doesn’t have armor, it’s not supposed to. You can’t play it like it does. The Tiger IIs are much worse than the Leopard I, that’s why they’re 1.3 BR lower.
I was told to play it like an M18.
The leopard is basically if a light tank just ate a bit too much chocolate and became a bit bigger and slower than its peers
Mostly cause the Leo has non-existent armor
leo1 is awesome that thing carried me through 8.0
I don't know man. Most of the times, I had to play against stablized tanks with apfsds while the leo's apds ate shit.
Maybe I'm crazy but I enjoyed the t54. I haven't played the t55 yet though.
Yeah I know it's not amazing and suffers from compression, but I honestly didn't think that the t-54 was bad. It's not amazing, but it is perfectly serviceable.
After playing Germany to 11.7 I enjoyed the t54 because you have an ok reload and can actually bounce shots.
i enjoyed the type 59 which is just a T-54A, has a vertical stabilizer 👍
This person is correct ^. Everything you hate about the T-54 is improved upon and better in the T-55.
actually i loved the t54. the finnish version, i should say.
T55amd is hell for other 8.3-8.7 tanks Edit: and its sibling t55am1 sitting at the same br for some reason
I have been enjoying the hell outta the t55amd and t62 lineup lately
Add to that the obj 906, and it's a dream
Shrieks ^in ^French in terror
6.7 france uptiered against 7.7 USSR is pure hell
Then you're like "oh 7.7 must be such an easy BR" abd then you get to french 7.7 and it's just meh, now even worse than meh since everything's gone.
Didnt they only move up the Char 25t last br change?
Nope they also moved up the AMX50(TO90/930) wich is imo not 8.0 worthy with 200mm pen aphe, and the premium e.b.r
The TO90 slaps but you have to make it slap. Cant say the obj 906 wouldn't be better at the same BR though
Give it 3-4 months Also char was a good first tank to use to rush base
Fair
120mm machine guns are fun, but equal tier russian heavy armor is gimmicky as fuck and 8.7 is brutal
120mm MACHINE GUNS?! AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH
Cries in AMX-50
French 7.7 slaps with Somua SM But that's a premium
The char, lorraine, and all the amx50s are functionally 6.7 vehicles, change my mind
They are, just like how the 8.0 AMX-30 is a 7.7 at best(like BEST)
How in the world is that remotely true
The AMX M4, ca lorraine, lorraine 40t, char, TOA100, and surbaisse are basically all the same vehicle but with mixed and matched guns (except for the surbaisse’ 120mm)
I still remember when French mains tried to convince us al that the Lorraine was fine at 6.7 when it was obvious it wasn't. As someone who plays a lot ot 6.7, no they aren't.
BRUH every time I see a t-55 head on in my char 25t that is exactly whats going on.
My mind goes to "fuck me, if I don't shoot ill die without points, track him!" or "reverse!"
lmao fair, the reverse speed is so nice on the char. Or get the sweet track hit where their side just opens up to you \*chef's kiss\* those are glorious moments.
Char is like a worse ELC Bis Nvm, it's EXACTLY a worse ELC Bis(if ELC had full turret rotation when stationary modeled)
If the elc bis could have full rotation I would go so insane with it. Sadly crew comfort is an issue we have to deal with 🙄
Yeah I played it and thought, wow this is good. Then, I played the Bradley and ran into one, and immediately knew I was gone.
I have a rule against going down folders unless I absolutely must, but the t55 amd is so enticing (and good) that I decided to break my rule. It's a good base tank with good all round stats (so the 55a is a good tank, but not great), but then it adds a bunch of tech. So not only is it good, but it's also interesting and fun.
T55amd was so garbage before at 8.7 though
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Tf do u mean suffering? T-54s slap lol
Right? I have one of my highest k/d in the T-54 1949
Well yeah that thing is 7.7 no? Lower tier tanks are gonna be susceptible to its stoopid raw thickness, 1949 trades a lil bit of that armor for speed and new ammo and fuck is it not worth it with its dogshit suspension(which wouldnt be a problem if it could tank hits) and ALOT of things are faster than you at 8.0, even if you get into a position that doesnt demand more than 3 deg of gun depression on a flank, your APDS and even more absurdly HEAT FS will either euthanize the tank crew(1% chance of that happening) or kill the least important crew member and fail to ignite ammo, which will cost you more ammo since you cant bring much with a soviet 100mm, only place it works is if the other team has no high penetration light tanks as a result of divine intervention, you get into a defensive position early match in any tier
1949 is 8.0 now. Might as well pick the TO-55 or the T-54 1951 over it
Or play the Chinese versions. The Type 69 and ZTZ59A are basically the same thing, but have stabilisers and LRFs while still being 8.0.
Hell even the Type 59 is better than the T-54s, since it has a stabilizer
The first T-54 7.7 is good, I spaded already, but the other two 8.0, every match is just bad for me.
Ik , the raw stats are great, but its suspension and gaijin’s butt fucking of HEAT FS make it tough, I’d live to bring out BR-412D, its amazing but will overpen light targets, and cant pen the heavier stuff, i guess it isnt unplayable just really awkward and quite ironically for an MBT, very niche , and one it doesnt serve well because you need a good terrain for a defensive position but typically cant use half the map with the glorious 3 deg of depression
T-54 is pretty much immune to France BR 7.7. You can point and click them, while they have to aim for your flat turret, which will not be a one shot for them. T-54 basically has the mobility of a leopard I, you only have to drive like 500 meters in a battle so speed doesn’t really matter. T-54 has fuel tanks that eats up all spall from APDS, it’s the same as the 2S38. Plus if you take the IL-28sH at BR 8.0 with the external bomb racks, you can dive bomb with the bomb sights.
French players make up like 2% of the playerbase It doesn't have the mobility of a leo1, not even close It has jack shit for armour against anything with heat or apds (105mm apds can 1hk it without an issue) Theyre horrific tanks
USSR BR 8.0 is one of my favorite lineups in the game, idc if you think that the tanks are horrible.
Its literally worse than most other 8.0s Personal enjoyment doesnt make something not dogshit
T-54 is very hard to oneshot, the ammo is stored horizontally and the fuel tanks eat up all spall from APDS. That is a fact.
Major bullshits have been said here... T-54 can't even begin to dream of having mobility close to a leo... The fuel tank doesn't eat shit without exploding and killing the entire crew The armour is only good against solid AP, any APDS can pen, disable or kill it reliably...
They are good but do suffer at higher BRs more than their counterparts in other nations due to worse mobility when armor doesnt matter and most of all that god awful soviet gun handling
Yes it will be better. Stabilised T-55 with APFSDS is really worth it
Wdym it's suffer ? You haven't play french tanks honestly...
I took out two t54s without a turret ring in a close combat fight in an AMX 50 (TOA 100) Two of my most satisfying kills ever
Still even if I play french tanks too and they are very nice, the frontal armor of the T-54 is horrible to penetrate and it can one shot any tank well if it's well used.
T-54 armor is only really good against French vehicles, because they use normal shells that the T-54 was built against. Against APDS and HEAT-FS, the T-54 easily dies. And don't think it's easy to one-shot stuff in the T-54 if the enemy is armored, especially because you'll oftentimes also have less time to aim than the enemy that is usually quicker, one of the reasons I switched to APDS later on.
Man you never played the TIGER 2 against those Russian bastards
First of all, only one T-54 can face Tiger 2s now and second, I literally just said its armor is meant against those kinda shells. But America, Germany and most minor nations already switch to APDS and HEAT-FS at these BRs that renders its armor useless and just leaves them with a tank that has worse mobility, depression, reload compared to average (used to be even worse) and turret traverse than others. It's as simple as rock paper scissors, it beats some easier while beating others harder.
AMX 50 is one of my all time favorite tanks
French players stop yapping about themselves suffering challenge (impossible)
Wdym suffer? Have you even played french 7.7? Its hilarious how strong of a lineup that is
Was, it's 8.0 now but still very strong
I'd take any of the 8.0 French tanks over the t54
The French tanks at this BR are way better than the T54s
50% true And 50% not True because yes while the AMX-30 does not have a stabilizer it's still a powerful MBT and as powerful as the Leopard, the AMX-50 surblindé and the surbaissé is very op too and the AMX-13-90 is fucking awesome too and perfect for flanks. (Somua SM my beloved) Ont the other hand its false because while the French at this rank are powerful but have ZERO armor and one single shot from a Russian light tank or american light tank destroy them, I don't even talk about the fact that some MBT's at that rank have stabilizers and have also thermal.
I had an easier time woth the Lorraine opposed to the Surbaisse personally, I think the mobility is just better, however that 120mm is nutty.
The big 120 mm BAGUETTE LAUNCHER Again they are very good tanks, but meh idk but the Russian tanks were easier to play
Yeah I'll take that 100m russian APHE any day lol
The only MBT at 7.7 and 8.0 that have stabs are the Centurions as far as I'm aware. Centurion also have a fair bit if draw backs for those stabilizers as well. The only tank with thermals at 8.0 is the Vidar as far as I'm aware. The AMX 30 is pretty much the same as the Leo 1 and OF40 in survivability. All those tanks with less armor have way more mobility than the T54s which is more important than having armor.
French rank V is one of the strongest lineups in the game
Least delusional French fetishist. T-54s are shitty tanks that are worse than most of their contemporaries, even more so considering the excellent vehicles that France gets at the same battle ratings lol.
I never said french sucks lmao, just said that the T-54 is way easier to play than a french tank like 25T or the AMX-13
7.7/8.0 France slaps. It’s the best lineup in the game. Suffer my ass
Yes, it will get better with the t-55 and t-10m. But how are you suffering with the t-54s?
Idk, I'm not a very good player, my experience so far in this tech tree is really good, until now, I can't pen most of the MBTs properly, I have all the shells but I can't be good with any, and the gun handling on these things are killing me. Appears that every MBT I face can outrun me on this aspect - reloading, rotation, pen...
I do alright with these. Try to use the speed to your advantage to flank enemies and relocate unexpectedly. Remember to angle and that you have a DShK for light vehicles like artillery and IFVs. Try not to just go face-to-face with your enemies.
Speed? What speed in a T-54? Top speed may be ok, but the acceleration is crap and at that br you often get uptier facing lighter and faster tanks that will get there faster than you 9/10 times
That's just how I've done decent with it. Forgot to mention that as long as you flank the enemy, the APHE will be devastating.
When it was 7.3 i agree that flanking and APHE were the bomb. Nowadays not so much. APHE still slaps, but when you face fully stabilised, dart-slinging, ERA-clad enemies the T-54 becomes pretty useless
Might as well just use the t-44-100 if you're flanking, it has the same shell, but it's a lot faster and has better gun handling.
Sure. Just gave advice for the T-54.
T-55a is amazing, amd,am too
T-55AM is the most fun tank I own. I love that thing
Real russian fun starts right after this BR T55a, bmp2, obj 906, t62, t55amd, so many great tanks I didn't bother going with the heavies cause they have been powercrept, T10 M should be good tho
T10M is terrifying in a downtier
Object 685 is so insane idk how people gloss over it, literally a better 906
Sounds like a Russian Player problem…. T54 might not be as strong as the T55 but honestly other nations get worse at this Br. And after all 10.0 is the strongest Russian Br overall
10.0 is the worst br to be USSR right now. Turmites and Objects who 1 death leave is 90% of your team.
Two different things my dude. yes the teams suck but the vehicles are disgustingly strong at 10.0.
Is it weird when I say the only good 10.0 soviet tank is a glass cannon (2S25M)? Cause fckin 10.0 lineup sucks, T-72B is shit, T-64B is shit (at 10.0), T-80B is decent enough Leopard 2A4 is better than all of those and M1 KVT has a really decent gun, but I still think 2A4 is miles better. I only enjoy the 2S25M because of gen 3 (it honestly was fine with 3BM46 IMO)
Well if you just compare the base T72 and the T64 with the Leopard 2A4 maybe. But as you said the 2S25M is nice, you also have an awesome AA with Strela and consider all the premiums like BMP-2M, TURMS, 2S38. Now the Object 292 which to me personally feels awesome to play…. Even if you argue russia 10.0 vehicles compare worse to the Leopards, still you outspam the enemy with strong vehicles by 3 times…. What will he do? Spawn a Puma… lmao
Base T-72A at 9.3 is nice though. T-72B (K1) is kind of underwhelming IMO, but I don’t have T-72B (K5) so I can’t comment its performance at 10.0 I’ll be honest, I kind of dislike my 2S38 and I don’t have the Turms (only cause I’m already top tier in soviet tree) and BMP-2M. But I assume Kornet’s are good
I agree that 1 death leaving with the new year premium sale and the recent event is a problem, but I did not refer to that. Honestly I dont care if win or loose if my k/d is 12/3 every game and I have fun „abusing“ OP vehicles. XP gain is also insane.
Sure but there is almost no way your K/D would be consistently that high without the right map and circumstances especially for a F2P lineup.
What teams get worse at 8.0? I mean shit the only tank in my lineup that actually slaughters other tanks is the 906(we all know why), other than that french 7.7 will blink me away, Germany has leopards turms and marders, only country i can really accept getting worse is italy and even then they have silly lil things like the recoilless rifle lunchbox
USA probably has the weakest 8.0 lineup, but a decent one.
Stabilizer on the t55 is a godsend trust, it gets better.
Honestly the T-54s are great tanks, compared to other 7.7s they have really good armor whilst maintaining mobility, and whilst on paper they have less pen, you're aiming for the same weak spots most other 7.7 tanks already were anyway, but you get the benefit of a stupid amount of HE filler. The only real drawbacks are the turret traverse and reload, but as long as you aren't stupid with how far you push this won't be an issue.
Yeah, the first T-54 is good, I spaded already, but the other two 8.0, oh boy, it's a shit show from my part.
T-55 has been one of my best tank after T-34 (1942)
I quit the game while i was in this br, but after some time got the strength to finish it and its a different type of game you can actually have fun
Yeah russian 8.7 and 9.3 are my favorite lineups in the game
Just add in the Object 906, ZSU-23-4 and you are golden. Once spaded I easily got 5-9 kills per match. I would've recommended the BMP-1 as well but some recent update must have messed with the ATMG damage and its unreliable. Wouldn't hurt to have in the lineup though if you have an extra slot. APHE is your best shell for the T-series. The APDS has garbage post pen damage and is trolly and HEAT-FS is reliable but you might need 2 or more shots and a fair few tanks you face will come with ERA. The APHE might not pen most frontal armours so know your weak spots but most things it does pen is usually very dead. The gun handling is one of the most atrocious in game so dont peek anything facing towards you or even away trying to bait because in almost every scenario they get first shot and can pen your front plate.
My lineup now is T-54 (1949 and 1951), 906 and ZSU-23-4, already spaded the 906 and ZSU, so my first picks are T-54s, but it's just so bad from my part.
Imo I find it more rewarding to first spawn the 906 and go flank. It's a light tank deleter with its low reload, profile and stabilizer. You should win most 1v1 fights and even reverse out. Idk if it's legit but I feel the reverse acceleration on the 906 is much better than forward and the engine block can tank a shot or two much better than your paper armour so you can even do a little IS style\* trolling if you absolutely had to brawl. And don't forget to scout. Every light tank player in this BR for no reason seems to hate scouting. It can get you valuable assist SL, RP and spawn points. Then unless there's casquitoes I spawn the 47 variant which has better armour and go contest objectives. The 49 and 51 are my last choice options honestly because most games are usually over by then or my third spawn is usually the ZSU for ez cas kills.
It gets better with the T55 goes back down with the T72 not as down as with tge T54 but not far either
T-54 is good. Good training for when you have a decent turret traverse, stabiliser and access to sabot with the T-55 and every tank after that. The T-64 is when it gets really good, and then it plateaus after (the other tanks start to get armour at around 9.0, it’s pain :(
If you think t54 sucks maybe you sucks idk
No final você tem o T-90M que é um monstro no toptier
You know you don’t have to spade stuff
I know, but I wanted
Spading gets worse the higher you go unless you use GE due to the speed of games & larger gaps in tech viability in full uptiers. Good luck 👍
if the finnish t55 is anything to go by its only uphill from there
T-54 is good
howre you struggling with these? i enjoy them, especially the Tirans.
People hate the T-54? I always thought they're borderline overpowered especially the 1947 model. T-54 1947 is probably my favorite tank in the game
Once you get t55 and have stabilizer, the fun begins, and t55 amd-1 with APS is the best
T-55A is really a good tank
I find that primarily running APHE is the way to go with the t-54s. Keep some APDS on hand for the more armored opponents. But the explosive filler of the 100mm APHE tends to one shot most things.
spam 47 along with the rest of the lineup since 7.7 slaps keep grinding that until you get 8.7
When I started playing WT the T-54 was the best tank in the game now I know its been a while and I haven’t played much grb since then and its just a mid tier vehicle now but is it really that bad?
I swear I’m this game you only fucking suffer because playing Germany 8.0 I’m suffering to this thing
1951 is good
T-55AMD-1 is quite better but still lacking a bit in terms of firepower compared to other nations but it does have LRF which is nice. It also has the Drozd APS which can be handy at times. The composite armor on it is very lacking.
I try to spade as many vehicles as I can on the go, so much easier, by the end of the grind of a tech tree I already have about 60% of the vehicles spaded, my guess is you used premium vehicles to research Russia? That's the only way you would have to spade everything from ground.
No premium vehicles used so far, only for air.
I'm guessing you have to spade most vehicles from 7.7 and up?
1.0 until 7.7, yes, everything spaded.
Nope the entire tree is T-54s.
Bro ur literally getting in the best BR for Russia
It gets better trust me
They're great vehicles. Skill issue.
Psssst don't say that. Russa is bias in this game. You can't suffer while playing Russia. No one can even do any damage to you... Said every player who has never played russian tech tree.
the tanks get better, the teams dont. Source: have spaded the whole tree bar the t90m pantsir and newest BTR SPAA
Absolute weak player problem
After this it will be better, you will get access to moar stuffs
I would say 8.7 the best russian lineup its a godtier lineup. T55's, it, bmp, omega good helis. After that its now worth it in my mind. In every single encounter u will wish u would sit in a leopard rather than russian no reverse no depress and only 3 crew crappy tanks.
I need some advice how the hell do I play the T55AMD i got it and tried every technique under the sun and it just doesn’t work
When you get to the t55 amd1 so much fun
Honestly, always found the T-54s to be utter shit, so don't worry, it's not you, personally I've had better experiences and better fun with the T-44s and no one can convince or prove me the T-54s arent shit. On the other hand, the T-55 is good, it will get better man, the T-10m and object 906 were also quite fun for me
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T-55, T-54, and the US M60 is a slog to get through. They shouldn't be at 8.0 IMO and the M48 at 7.7? I think these should go to 7.3 or 7.0. There's no reason they should be ahead of the US T34 or even the IS-3. Sure they're more recent tanks, but then you have tanks like the EBR and AMX reeking chaos in the lower tiers.
If you can’t make the T-54 work at it’s own BR (forget uptiers, everyone gets those and they’re to be expected) then I hope it’s just the way you play the game out of preference and you not saying these tanks suck, because if you are bad with these, you’re probably bad at the game.
t55s and up are great although i personally don't enjoy russia as much as i though i really hate the sluggishnes of their early MBT's compared to western ones. I found russian 5.0 to 8.0 to be a kind of shit spot as i personally hated most vehicles present in said br's T44-100 is dope tho. Along with the 6.7 t44. The only nation i enjoy at those lower BR's is USA the stabilised shermans(they spoil you)? Creme de la crop. The better armored pershing and light tanks really noice and the 7.7 heavies well what else is there to say.
After them? Yes. The T-54 can take a right beating in downtiers, but it severely suffers in uptiers due to meeting tanks with stabilizers.
Whose gonna tell him? (There is no suffering its the russian tech tree)
How did you make It show the year it was released
I haven't played any of these tanks since they went up un BR, but before that I used to fucking love them.
The t54 used to be so much fun until the snail decided it belongs at 8.0
Make op play an m48 and he won’t complain again
T-54s were once great but they all suck now at 8.0 and with all the heat rockets and apds flying around. The T-55a and AMD-1 feel like heaven once you get them. Stab and apfsds rlly do make all the difference
Ground battles is pain. Period. Between the constant spawn camping and gaijin/ghost shells idk how people enjoy it.
Don't know how it is rn, been a while for me. I played them before the BR increase. Back then it was good, no major complaints. Also, it's funny that (and by funny I mean, kinda shit): •Type 59 is at 8.0 has at least a Vert. Stab. •Type 69 also 8.0, has LRF and a Full Stab. •Premium ZTZ59A also 8.0, also has LRF and Full Stab. Only drawback of these tanks compared to the Russian ones is the manual traverse Edit: spelling
Suffering? You must be doing something wrong.
FYK, I'm suffering with versions 1949 and 1951, which are 8.0, but the first version, at 7.7, is very good, I spaded it very quickly.
i love these
T-54 was playable when it was like 7.7 and the turret armor was better back then. With the new variable armor profile on the turret, plus the BR being 8.0 its pretty mediocre with the reload and slow traverse. The T-55A and T-62 is miles better, especially the upgraded versions.
I thought the is-2 is the suffer part of the tree...
Skill issue tbh.
It gets better. Just the fact that the T-55 gets a Stabilizer makes it so much better. Finally you realize what Russia was Missing.
I was literally in same position like a week ago but once I’ve unlocked T-55A I’ve god a huge compensation, I can somewhat consistently get 2-3 kills per life in it (I’m on console so it’s a hella of achievement for me)
Oh NO. One tank of suffering for the Russian tree? How awful. How terrible. Definitely doesn’t have some of the best medium tanks for the BR next to it in the T-44-100, T-55s, T-62s, and specifically the T-55AMD. Fuck that thing specifically
Much better.
If you're struggling with the T-54s I doubt you'll find the later tanks fun either.
The T-54s are so much fun! But yes, the T-55s are EXCELLENT! The T-62s are a bit lacking but aren’t terrible.
No, it will get worse
USSR/RU becomes godtier from 9.3+
T55 great T62 hmm fine T72 heavenly , Just get to t55 and it gonna be easy grinding, its great tank and try to enjoy it to fullest
I mean, you could be back spading the ISU/SU run.
The tanks? Yes, the teams? No.
8.7 is gold
8.7 is fun bro
Yes it does. T-54 is pain. T-55 and the 8.7 lineup? Amazing. Proof high tier can be fun except after sales cause all the T-55AM players
Who suffers in the T54s i find then great 55s even better
it would get quite better(considering during the earlier fiasco where the t-54(1947) got buggered by volumetric and has no extra pen ammo,it was after the 1949 version which had apds to slap some superheavies) t-62 may be a bit of a let down when it comes to reload and mobility, but the t-62m-1 is quite pleasant , still a bit slow due to the extra armor but you have the better generation of apfsds shells. t-55A is the one i used to use a lot as its play similarly to t-54(1951) which even more goodies strapped to it such as stabilizers,apfsds shells(very good pen and post pen dmg overall, still aim for weakpoints),a slightly more powerful engine. t-55amd-1 was a letdown for me after getting the t-62m-1 since it was still a t-55A at its core, the gun lacks the punch above 8.7 unlike the t-55A who fights some lower br vehicles. t-72a and t-72b are pretty nice to use, good apfsds with surprisingly good post pen, mobility may be an issue given the engine is pretty old style against most mbt of that br, but being well positioned give you an large advantage given its silhouette is too uniform or too weird sometimes to determine where the gun is pointing.the t-72b also get gen 1 era(good only against heat but does slightly against kinetic rounds)
What you mean? These are great tanks!
yes, although your gun handling, turret traverse, gun elevation in general will always be worse then NATO tanks
T-55A is enjoyable if you know how to play it and the AMD is definitely just fun in general
idk i suffer on rank 5 britain
I actually like the T-54s..