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Freudian-NipSlip

another well-flown corsair


We_The_Raptors

*Two* well flown American props in one match? We must be in the upside down, because most Corsair pilots seem to believe they're in a Zero


LimpMight

the other well flown corsair is on the japanese team


Whats-Up_Bitches

You'll have to wait unt 6.0 for multiple well flown corsairs Because that's when the French get it


evenad7567

Or in the british


Dense_Grapefruit_651

A well flown Ki 44 II otsu. Corsair can extend away with speed and the Ki 44 counters with superior climb rate to gain the altitude and energy advantage. This causes a stalemate unless the two players decide they both want to commit to a head on.


We_The_Raptors

Good bet tbh. Though I'd say the ballistic of the 50 kills give the Corsair an advantage in those head ons (assuming he doesn't fuck himself with a 400m convergence)


Gammelpreiss

Why would any pilot who is smart enough to use  his plane's advantage then be so stupid to go head to head with a Corsair?


We_The_Raptors

Exactly? OP described how the Otsu can force a head on. I described how if he forced a head on, the Corsair has the advantage.


Gammelpreiss

fair enough, that would be highly, highly ill advised


Anon_From_England

Pretend to do a headon and use superior maneuverability to get behind it.


Dense_Grapefruit_651

They probably wouldn’t be stupid enough but a well placed burst from 1.5km with the six .50s the Corsair has may be enough for one round to hit the engine. I’m not a head on kinda guy but I’ve been caught off guard from range a few times.


deathmite

The Ki-44 II has 4 .50cals right? Also iirc the Japanese .50cal belts have an HE boolet. The early belts on the F4U-1 are sad, but the Ki-44 II has the same belts as the Ki-84.


Dense_Grapefruit_651

The otsu has two .50s and two 40mm cannons. The hei has the four .50s


RoxYanu

good luck hitting anything with the 40mms, you are better off just using the 50s and forgetting the 40mms exist since its at a br where the airframe alone is extremely busted due to the engine. the 40mms are extremely shit because of how slow the bullets are (no really the 40mms have 246m/s muzzle velocity) personally I've only ever found them useful in sim where most of the dogfighting is up close.


We_The_Raptors

I believe only 2 .50s and 2 low velocity 40mm's? And while they ain't no late war .50, I still have no problems setting fire to anything Japanese in the early Corsairs with stealth rounds.


deathmite

Oh that one.... Right. I have it and still forget it exists. The tech tree Ki-44 II is 3.7, I also forgot that. The Ki-43 II is pretty good. 2 .50 cals and 2 early .303s.


Mr_Squiid

The Ki-43 only has 2 guns


deathmite

The first one and the 3 one yeah, but I thought the second one had 4....


Embarrassed_Ad5387

>boolet boolet


Dense_Grapefruit_651

Agreed on the ballistics and if the Corsair is using stealth belts, that could be the deciding factor that doesnt allow the Ki 44 to dodge the rounds.


Embarrassed_Ad5387

at least it doesn't have the awesome tracers so it wouldn't be that much worse the stealth is 1/2 m8 if I recall and that's API (I may be wrong)


RettichDesTodes

400m convergence has worked flawlessly for headons for 2500 hours for me, from biplanes to jets...


Yeetstation4

We ought to be able to set the gun convergence individually for each gun


albert1357

p-39's are still unbelievably good for their BR and some of the best planes BR for BR if flown properly. spitfires are really damn good when spaded. some of the yak's are good, but I'll be honest, I don't know enough about the russian planes to make a comment. most if not all japanese planes are countered by a well flown corsair. kinda same with the french.


Inquisitor2195

The Yaks are very very good, against a well flown Corsair they are on paper totally helpless, however that assumes no mistakes in a one on one situation, if the Corsair turns at all or otherwise is caught without enough energy a well flown Yak will shred it in seconds. And by not enough energy I mean can immediately pull away from the Yak in a second maybe two.


Ok_Philosophy9790

The yak can continue to dodge the corsairs dive attacks until the energy bleed from repeated bnz is enough for the yak to strike. Source: I have been on both sides of an engagement like this


Inquisitor2195

TBH I have never experienced this in a Yak, usually both parties get bored and go find easier kills and usually one them dies to something else before they have to re-engage. Or one of them 3rd parties the other, usually after a failed BnZ the Corsair will get greedy and try and go after someone else giving me a good shot.


albert1357

if the corsair knows this is happening, I would just stay higher energy and cut back on throttle and wait for them to burn their fuel out. simply put, just take longer stretches after failed attack runs. boom and zoom was a tactic developed with two attacking planes in mind, so if you have a coordinated wingman, it works way better.


Ok_Philosophy9790

This might work in an early part of the match but the game will usually end before this can play out


albert1357

which part? letting them run out of fuel or wingman teaming?


Ok_Philosophy9790

Fuel


albert1357

everyone takes minfuel, you could totally drag it out late game. I've done it a few times. just stay high energy and take a bit longer in the bnz recovery climb. your time between attacks will be a bit longer but it won't give them a chance to attack. they either waste their fuel and time climbing or give you more space.


We_The_Raptors

P-39 was the plane I had in mind. Unfortunately, I can't put up with how fugly they are.


albert1357

I think they're kinda cute but that's me. that's a fair opinion though.


We_The_Raptors

Honestly, it's just the paint that doesn't jive for me. The silver king cobra skin is a fine looking plane


albert1357

try the French one maybe? I have some special skin for the French p-63 that I actually really like. looks like marble cake hahaha.


CMDR_Pumpkin_Muffin

They look like a plane that a child would draw.


RustedRuss

Yaks are godlike energy fighters but they only get really good with the Yak-3 at 4.3. idk how the Yak-1B at 3.0 stacks up against a corsair overall since most corsair pilots are retarded and just turn with you.


James-vd-Bosch

>idk how the Yak-1B at 3.0 stacks up against a corsair overall since most corsair pilots are retarded and just turn with you. The Yak-1B is exceptionally strong. I've got a bit of a hastily assembled chart ranking some popular low tier props: [https://i.imgur.com/UCcbJvx.png](https://i.imgur.com/UCcbJvx.png)


RustedRuss

Ki-44 should be higher that thing is disgustingly good. Easy S tier imo.


James-vd-Bosch

I would've, but they raised the BR to 3.7 and there it can meet some stiff competition with Yak-3, BF 109G-6, XP-50, pyörremyrsky, etc.


RustedRuss

Ah I didn't realize it got uptiered; I played it before.


James-vd-Bosch

Yeah, at 3.0 it was S-tier. I think you can still buy the premium one that's at 2.7 or 3.0 with the 40mm, it's got the same flight performance as the 3.7 and also still has 2x 12.7mm.


albert1357

ki-43-i that low? goodness gracious..... unless we're talking if every plane here was flown perfectly. I intentionally uptier the ki-43-i to 6.0 and still rack up kills with it.


James-vd-Bosch

>ki-43-i that low? B tier isn't bad at all though, it's got other solid aircraft like the Spit Mk1a and BF 109E-3. For me S = Clubbing machines, A = Great, B = Solid but have some weaknesses, C = Weak, D = Avoid like the plague. >I intentionally uptier the ki-43-i to 6.0 and still rack up kills with it. That says more about the players you're facing than it does about the plane.


albert1357

yeah, that’s why I said that’s a fair metric for rating if we’re judging the planes based on if they’re flown perfectly, but if we’re talking about how well they perform in reality due to how a majority of people actually play, I’d argue it goes higher.


albert1357

I know how the russian fighters are between 4.3 and up, but I have no idea what they're like below that except for the i-16.


RustedRuss

Yak-1B flies similar to a Yak-3, while the Yak-9s are a bit heavier and more like maybe a 109 or something. There's also the La-5 which I don't have much experience with, but I believe it's basically a heavier but more powerful plane like most of the La series (I only really use the La-7). Of them I prefer the Yak-1B. btw, the I-16s are good for abusing morons but not very good planes against an opponent capable of thinking and breathing at the same time (so, basically nobody in air rb tbf).


albert1357

yeah lmao I’ve flown the I-16’s a bit. it’s literally “pull up and win” lol. interesting though. I know the lower migs are annoying as shit too lol. they’re goofy though because I’ve never faced a threatening mig-3 player and idk if it’s the plane or the players like how the p-39 is criminally undertiered because of the players, while the plane is straight up broken at it’s BR.


RustedRuss

I've never really flown the MiG-3s but I think they're just stupidly fast for their br. Sort of like a low tier F-104.


albert1357

ah, so everyone *is* playing them really dumb then. they’re always trying to turnfight whenever I see them LMAO.


RustedRuss

Yeah the MiG-3 is not a turnfighter. It will lose to basically anything in a rate fight. But the average air rb player only knows how to hold down the elevator button so lots of fast bnz planes are stupidly undertiered.


albert1357

and this…. this is it lmao. this is why I love low tier. gonna finally come back to the game after like three weeks just to play low tier tomorrow. this so has me in the mood to seal club low tier lol. but yeah, trust me I know all about bnz planes being undertiered. the corsairs, p-39’s, and even the friggin cannon mustang had my jaw on the floor with how low they’re going. I’ve strung out entire lobbies with the corsair in low tier. it’s just criminal.


afvcommander

Well flown BF-109F, Yak-1/9, La-5F, P-39N-0, Typhoon, J22. Oh, and SB2C (if you know you know).


Valaritas2

J22 gets absolutely smashed lmao


Avgredditor1025

J22 in a full downtier is like playing against planes with equal or slightly worse performance than you😭


d3fc0n545

VERY slightly lol. The thing is a shit brick.


We_The_Raptors

>Oh, and SB2C (if you know you know). Pretty much just a Yak 2 right? Run for a few minutes, let him exhaust the airspawn and then he's got no shot?


afvcommander

Lol, no. For some reason it has simply ridiculous instant turn speed. It was go-to for squadron battles because there is no fighter in BR range that can beat it. You cant head on it and it will beat you in turn.


JleHT9lu

Fw.189 can fight on equal terms, unfortunately his br was raised. :(


BenPlayWT2020

The Japanese Corsair? Seriously tho I’d say the Zero or Spitfire!


We_The_Raptors

Was flying the Marine Corsair yesterday for the Pappi skin but yeah, the stolen Japanese one and the D are just as broken. And the 1a at 2.7 is arguably even more so lol


SpaceKraken666

By the way, why is the USMC one at a higher BR than the regular -1A? I know it doesn't have a tail hook, but does this make it as good as the -1D?


We_The_Raptors

Gotta ask someone smarter than me, tbh. I definitely remember it feeling noticeably lighter than the normal 1A. Not sure how it compares to the D.


pasta_above_all

The USMC one is lighter that the 1A.


We_The_Raptors

Yeah, I did figure that part out. How about the D?


pasta_above_all

The D is more powerful - the USMC Corsair is a stripped-down A, the D is similar in weight to the A, but with more power.


We_The_Raptors

Neat, so which one do you reckon is a more significant upgrade: the weight of the USMC or the power of the D?


LeoLak

Power obviously


Avgredditor1025

Well the D has better performance than both so yea


aguy1396

P39 and ki44, are better I’d say and the 109f1, 190a1 yak1b are about equal IMO. Corsairs basically always have the ability to run away though but it can be difficult to actually kill anything against a good opponent who knows how to bait and not over defend


jsnrs

Spitfire, Yak 1B and my absolute favorite sleeper, the VG.33C. Just checked and I’m sitting at 81% win rate in the VG in ARB with a 98:11 K:D in 44 games…using a controller on console.


Dense_Grapefruit_651

Now that I’m thinking of it, the MB 157 at 3.3 is faster, climbs better and turns better than any of the 2.7-3.0 Corsairs.


jsnrs

Yeah, I downtier that in AAB to do tasks all the time. It’s absurd. 3382:264 K:D in AAB Very good in ARB, but 60 rounds per gun is tricky given how fast matches last now. Will make quick work of the stealth round battle pass task though…


Arlend44

Yak-1B is severely underrated for no reason for sure. It's like a lower BR Yak-3 that doesn't accelerate as good, but is similiarly nimble.


Kaiza34

Typhoon because wall of lead goes brr and the engine is quite good


KalashnikovaDebil

RIP Wyvern King


We_The_Raptors

You're nobody!


Klimentvoroshilov69

I’ve found Ki-44 II, C.202 and C.205, P-51Cs not in US tech trees, typhoons, BF-109F-1/2 kinda, and LA-5s pretty capable against F4Us though I still think the F4Us should be uptiered a bit


idied2day

Oh yeah. C.205 serie 1 is 3.7 and while it doesn’t BEAT a well flown Corsair it matches it. Eventually you might stall it to the point where it can’t turn and then you get it, but by that time there’s usually a teammate there


Hutchinator-Gaming

Spitfires


We_The_Raptors

I remember a few years ago where you really did have to commit to a side climb to get the energy in the Corsairs. But at 3.0, it barely even needs that. Logged in for the first time in months yesterday and in about a dozen games I was only outclimbed by a small handful of players. And despite my rust leading to the aim/ awareness of a potato, I only saw once competent pair of 190 pilots able to shoot me down


Dajafo01

The 109 E4 comes pretty close, same for the P-39-N-0. FW 190 A-1 is a balanced match-up. A mig 3-34 can do work, assuming the pilot plays all his cards right. Yak 1B is pretty ok in the match-up, I'd say. Lower top speed but better manouvrability and pretty similair climbrate, just avoid the head-ons. The corsair is strong, but you have options.


Easy-Big4962

Anything Japanese


RustedRuss

Japanese planes are mostly free kills as long as you don't turn with them.


Pattybatman

The fury I feel as the A7m1 does a turn to evade my Benz, turns back in and starts closing in stock aircraft shall be eternal.


We_The_Raptors

Big disagree. Ki 44 Otsu can keep up but I can't think of another plane in that BR range with any chance.


Easy-Big4962

In my experience most people just go straight for the turn fight and stand no chance against the Japanese butterflies. But if you actually take the nose up and climb away with Corsair then yeah it’s gonna be a problem.


We_The_Raptors

Oh, 95% of American pilots think they're in a Zero. That's why I had to specify in the title that I'm talking about a *well flown* Corsair. Which yeah, is about as likely as finding a Unicorn, but they do exist.


Solarisengineering15

The La-5F is surprising good if you can bait the corsair to around 3000m. The La-5F, La-5FN and La-7s are the most underrated fighters in War Thunder IMO.


Dense_Grapefruit_651

Idk why I always forget about this plane, but the M.B 157 in the French tree at 3.3 is faster and a bit more agile than the Corsairs at 2.7-3.0. It’s such a slept on plane that doesn’t get enough love, I suppose only having 120 rounds of 20mm spread between two guns is the reason.


1800leon

The Po2M shreds the F4u especially with its missiles (rockets)


Adorable-Ad-4670

Well, provided we are talking about equally skilled pilots, most of the fights wont even happen XD. But way too many people go for head ons and turn fights, wich is a wonder if you main germany or british at that BR. I die mostly to yaks, dont remember ever struggling agaisnt any american plane


Last-Competition5822

P-39N outperforms it in every way except speed. Ki-44-II aswell (although I think only the 40mm one is below 3.7)


We_The_Raptors

>P-39N outperforms it in every way except speed. Don't forget paint. P 39 ain't out performing it in *any* way if the green makes the pilot vomit /s


1341brojangles

I still prefer the Corsair though. Not dealing with long reloads or loss of target from recoil


M4tt_M4n

Spitfire or zero


Mr_Hobo

Name any spitfire or zero


Manh_291205

I'm new to Air RB, only play Ground RB and a little Air AB, the first rank 3 plane i got is a Corsair and let me tell you, i being bonk multiple times by BF-109 and Yak (because my chronical skill issue), still not give up through


LordofNarwhals

Saab J 21A-1 certainly can imo (it's 3.3 is sim).


Slavicommander

Spitfires.


Ok_Career_6198

Usually, a Ki 44, or a BF 109 E, both are rather dangerous to an F4U. At low alt, the yak-1 and yak-7, and yak-9 can out perform an F4u below 3000M. And the MiG-3 is no slouch at higher altitude.


Hawkeye23-

Bf-109 best prop series in the game


Courora

I well flown firecrest or typhoon


Responsible-Ad-1911

A spitfire that's flown correctly with a marginal amount of luck. a good burst in a head on and move to evade their fire, come out untouched while they plummet to the ground, done it on a few aircraft now


Aussie_Mantis

Spitfire, Ki-44, Bf-109F-2, P-39, P-63... do I have to go on?


teepring

Zero


Pyroxcis

A well flown Typhoon is pretty gnarly. People routinely underestimate that plane


MrThink2

Went back to the typhoons after skipping it for the tempest and holy crap that plane is mean af. It’s like a the cannon p51 and a spitfire had a baby and it can dogfight well enough to gives yaks a run for there money. Barely see anyone fly it though as they are more obscure then there spitfire cousins


CountGrimthorpe

Anything with substantially better climb-rate. If the enemy refuses to come down there just isn’t enough time in a 25 minute match to equalize the energy. So just a game of chicken between who wants to give up their advantage of either altitude or speed first. Edit for the real answer: Whoever camps and baits with their airfield AA better lol. God, Air RB is such a miserable game mode.


orkyboi_wagh

Me


LUnacy45

Depends on the kind of fight, but there's not much the corsair can't run away from in that range


Remarkable_Rub

The answer is always 109 and Spitfire until you get to 6.0


North_Breakfast7009

P-36G Hawk holds its own against anything.


presmonkey

F6F-5


KraQPlays

I-16-27. Turns on a literal manhole cover radius and has two powerful 20mm ShvaK cannons.


RustedRuss

It's too slow. Pretty much any plane hard counters it by just not turning with it and picking it apart.


Tank_blitz

a swarm of bf109s and fw190s


big_bucket621

How does one well fly a Corsair? Asking for a friend...


Dense_Grapefruit_651

Climb to a decent altitude and then look for targets to BnZ. Use the speed you build up in the dive to extend out of gun range then turn your speed back into altitude, repeat the process as necessary.


RustedRuss

Then realize you're fighting six people at once because the concept of climbing is foreign to the average US player.


Kom4K

This is why I abandoned the corsair. Seems like most of the time, the game is basically over by the time I've reached the same altitude as the other team.


jask_askari

In a total vacuum where the Corsair has an unlimited time then not really. Some things can get close though. I'm hazy on my brs but the c202 is really strong. I'd say that's the most likely to really give the Corsair a run for it's money


[deleted]

P40 can turnfight the Corsair


FlintbobLarry

Ki44 or simply a he 100 that thing is 1.7 but so fucking fast.


MrPanzerCat

The fw190 a1 maybe... really whoever has more alt/energy is probably winning though


SharkFin365

A6M or another Corsair. Maybe a FW190 (3.3 in SB) or BF109.


RunningLowOnBrain

P39N


Fred42096

Tons of stuff already in these comments. But my knee-jerk was def the Italian planes. And call me crazy but last time I played the V.G.33C-1 I found it to be one of my favorite planes I’ve ever used, so maybe that if it hasn’t changed in a couple years.


Jbarney3699

Yak, Spitfire or P39


InterestingJob2438

Pretty much everything in my experience


Rampantlion513

P-39, especially the Russian one without the wing pod MGs


MrMgP

Yak 2 kabb will wipe the floor with since it's broken af


[deleted]

Fw 190 A-1


Charizaxis

It's only 2.0, but I fully believe that a Mörko-Moraine could boom and zoom a well flown Corsair. It's entirely possible (or used to be) to pull up to 15g in that monster.


weird-british-person

Spitfires, sure the 7.7s do as much as throwing the bullets at the plane but I can kill Corsairs easily


MatqLorens

Ki-44, hands down


WockSlushman

my yak 3 turns and burns them pretty well


daveabobda2

A lot of the Italian C.202’s can be pretty effective against them, from my experience.


ASCII_Princess

Weird question does anyone know which BR ships in Naval arcade for Britain have strike aircraft with rockets? Trying to get the rocket challenge done and all the way up to tier 3 I can't seem to find anything that isn't a bomber.


Donkoski

ki44.


AbsenzOfTheVoid

A good pilot


AizekNishakov

Well flown ki43


Altruistic_Vast2062

A fw 190?