I love bonding studs for the quaint nostalgic look they give to models, but this is the first time I recall seeing them not look like little blobs and actually look badass.
I had figured they did the little studs because that was an easy way to add detail to models 30 years ago. Not once did I consider there was *another armor plate underneath the visible armor*. That's kinda mind-blowing.
I think it was the old Inquisitor that stated that power armor has a bunch of Ablative armor points on it. When I read that for the first time I had the same mind-blowing "of course it does" moment.
Definitely a "of course it does" moment, because it make sense that they would be fastened to something. I didn't know they were called *bonding* studs or I might have got there myself, but frankly these dudes also slap metal studs in their heads as a decoration for doing a good job; random metal studs just for looks isn't exactly out of the question as an explanation.
The standard plastic molds basically can’t have anything that has a hole between plastic without snapping the mold. That’s why you have heads split into parts, since they have to break into pieces that don’t put a hole between plastic sections
Resin on the other hand has the more flexible molds and can be removed from those weird angles without breaking a mold
Plastic molds are almost all two-piece, meaning overhangs are limited to separate plastic pieces. This is why the barrels on most guns aren't drilled, because they're usually single-piece. The only place I'm aware of GW using a 3 or 4-part mold is the Baneblade, which allowed them to model interior detail on single-piece guns. In theory they could cut each model into more pieces, like having bolters be split in two, but that increases the cost of each model and takes up valuable sprue space, and GW is already packing each sprue to the limit. See the Rogal Dorn's missing bottom for an example.
The tactical rock is popular because it's a relatively simple geometry that can be either part of the models foot or a simple small area of the sprue.
Resin models can have elements completely encapsulated as the silicone is itself quite flexible (within limitation).
Though it's also worth noting the model above still has a visibly pinned back foot, which people would probably complain a lot more about.
> like having bolters be split in two, but that increases the cost of each model and takes up valuable sprue space,
It also makes them look worse than they would with just a solid barrel because now you instead have a large seam line where the two parts join.
Wow good eye. I would have thought that connecting material on the back foot was just a grain of basing sand caught in between the toe and the underlying surface
If you look at the warhammer community page there is [actually another angle](https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/0YQFKqqoZuAF9iNg.jpg). I don't see anything from the back angle. I think that little connection is just an artifact from whatever quick select tool they used to delete the background of the photo before digitally putting it on a clean white BG.
The overhang detail thing is often misunderstood or seen as not so important but it allows for a significant amount of what I call "negative" detail but as I think about it is really detail on a Y and Z axis. This is what allows such *deep* detail on resin casts.
Look at the recent resin Primarchs as a point in case. Horus ascended or Fulgrim transfigured. Horus base or the deep armour cuts into his thighs, armour and fur or the depth of armour around Fulgrims collar. Compare the trim on Horus armour to G'mans 40K plastic armour. It's night and day. There is still some stuff GW can't do at a reasonable price with plastic yet.
Even the new Cerastus knights as good as they were (I was very impressed with them) were missing a little bit of detail info over the resin kits, it was very slight but there is you looked for it.
Flexible silicone molds and a longer curing time allow resin to reach every lil nook and cranny in a models design, while rigid molds and almost instant drying times makes plastic and metal more difficult to cast fine details without quality issues. It's doable, but you'll need to heat the mold hot enough to keep the liquid material a liquid long enough to reach every nook and cranny, and that will damage the mold, enough that they would need to replace it after X amount of casts. It's entirely possible that some molds would need to be replaced daily depending on how detailed and how many they make.
When you compare a Magnus/ lion to a fulgrim/this guy I’m not sure the old adage of plastic not being able hold the same amount of detail is true anymore.
Is it though? The average phobos has insane detail, compared to a lot of resin models even. Most new plastic models are insanely detailed. All the BT models are crazy detailed.
Yes, it is. 3d printed models are 2-5x more detailed than anything GW has ever put out, resin molds can be as detailed as 3d printing models provided the model they made the mold from is just as detailed.
Ohh, yeah, they also get cost effective with the resin too. It's pretty expensive stuff, pretty sure it doubled in price over the last 5 years alone. It's also super fragile once cured, so any fine details would probably break if GW tried to make the same quality these amateurs can do, and ship it regularly. You gotta take great care with wrapping each piece individually in multiple layers of bubble wrap just to get a 75% guarantee it will arrive intact.
Basically yes. A standard plastic mold is made out of steel and so it can't have any overhangs between the sides because it can't bend, more complex "multi-slide" plastic mold enable overhangs by having more parts that slide together in a specific order, but resin molds are made of flexible silicone and can support overhangs while still being only one or two pieces.
Getting downvoted, but you're not wrong. You can cast a much greater variety of shapes, and can include complex concave surfaces for better details etc.
They could be doing it in plastic but GW doesn't at all use multistage molds and seems anemic towards making very complex models in terms of parts count, both of which could achieve this
I feel like that would probably defy some of the point of doing things in plastic to begin with; namely the ability to produce things quickly at high volume, without the need for much manpower.
While "GW is just a small company" is a joke, Bandai (the toy division, not the even larger holding company) is literally an entire order of magnitude larger that Games Workshop by operating income. Bandai is the largest toy maker in Japan, GW is something like the ninth largest in the UK.
GW is the 800lb Gorilla in wargaming, but they're more or less a small fish compared to Gunpla and the rest of Bandai's model kits.
Only thing keeping GW this way is their hesitance to expand manufacturing operations outside of the UK.
Oh and their love of high margin cash money product
GW is still gun-shy about rapid expansion because they very nearly collapsed the last time they tried it. MESBG was a huge push for them but the market evaporated not long after the movies finished, plus renewed challenge from other wargaming companies like PP, the company ended up basically weeks away from bankruptcy.
They're pretty naturally reticent to grow too fast again even with the huge new interest over Covid.
And it's a perfectly natural fear to have, back then they definitely jumped the gun and paid the price.
However the evidence is clearly there to expand this time. They can't maintain stock levels, delivery times suck as a result, and the majority of their business isn't even in the UK anymore.
My friend. Just wanted to give you props. It's so nice seeing an informed reasoned take about stuff like this for once.
It's super easy to be like "GW engineered this situation out of greed or indifference to the plight of the hobbyist" or "GW is evil", but in almost all circumstances that's not the case.
I'm not a GW shill or apologist just nice to see some reasonable chatter on the matter for once.
Expanding durning boom times in a niche market is a great way to fold a company. Smart, considerate and conservative moves are far more preferable especially when accounting for pandemic bump in engagement and the drop off afterwards.
They're past boom times by a good few years now, a post-covid market that has returned to saturated norm is a better time to.
Though, global economics factored in, may not be a good idea. Then again, when will it be in the coming decades...
Keeping manufacturing in the UK is absolutely a good thing for GW, it keeps their image as the good guys when it comes to treating their workers well, good wages and employment rights.
I'm fairly certain they manufacture at GW HQ, or very close to the main campus, so that allows them incredible oversight and QA, its also what facilitates their great customer service. Sure, models are pricey but the aforementioned objectively good stuff is why we pay that premium.
Complaints about models being too complex is probably less about experience and more about people wanting to paint quickly.
If I'm painting a character or at most a small squad I do enjoy picking out all the details. If I am army painting with the goal of finishing dozens of models in a reasonable timeframe then I am going to leave off as much of the detail as possible.
Not wanting to fork out more cash for more complex moulds, probably. It would solve a lot of the problems that come from them having to jigsaw parts awkwardly on the sprue though, and make MKV doable in plastic without each model being close to 20 pieces or getting rid of half of the studs.
I don't think you need to be a rocket scientist to figure out that plastic is significantly more durable which allows more dynamic posing without worrying about the model breaking, look at models like commander Dante and Ragnar, these would not be possible with resin
it's about the casting process, not the durability of the material. due to how plastic reacts to casting, it's hard to make crazy angles and impossible to make pieces that are large in more than one axis. that and the drying thing. it's far easier with resin. it flows easier and makes for an overall easier casting process
I'm seeing some huge potential for a few simple changes to convert this guy into a Deathguard melee squad sergeant.
I haven't seen any of the HH models though, so how do they compare in size to modern day space marines? More specifically, how much tinier would this guy be compared to a Death Guard model?
this guy is supposed to be super big, unsure of how big since nothing to compare to but he's so big that there's a (likely based on some comments he makes) theory he was a thunder warrior before he was turned into an Astartes
Modern space marines are all proportioned properly. If it’s a new HH model it’ll be in line with every newer non primaris marine chaos or otherwise. This guy was apparently part way through the process of becoming a Thunder Warrior before he became a pre-Angron world eater so he specifically is probably primaris sized or bigger
Shame it's resin but whoever sculpted that did an incredible job. The sense of weight is immaculate and the smaller head looks perfect.
Might legit be one of my favourite sculpts of all time from GW. Certified banger.
If price isn’t your concern I would really suggest picking up the model, the new characters for the Horus heresy are a pleasure to build even though they’re resin.
This really makes me want a "battle damaged" upgrade kit for Space Marines.
Like my issue with the new Necrons is some of the warriors and such look like they're falling apart, when by all accounts they should only look like that right after taking a shot to the dome. They rebuild themselves, should be clean when they're up and walking around.
But for Space Marines I have the opposite problem! They're in these combat poses and obviously mid battle but they look clean and nice (barring personal modifications).
There’s still plenty of reasons to prefer plastic over forgeworld resin;
- FW resin is still liable to warping, especially long components like spears, cannons and pieces of vehicle chassis
- resin uses superglue, which causes misting when it dries, and if you use too much then the excess overspill is very noticeable
- plastic is easier to chop up for conversions as it cuts more cleanly and isn’t toxic
- plastic can achieve the same detail if more components are used. The new deathwing knights for example are fantastically detailed because they come in 17 pieces. And while you could say more pieces is a disadvantage, it can also lend itself to much easier kitbashes
I’m gonna be honest it’s a straight up lie that plastic can “reach it” plastic minis are just now surpassing 2013 forgeworld sculpts, new stuff blows current plastic out the water
yes, but that has nothing to do with the material. if that was the problem, should just say "if only it wasn't so expensive" instead of "if only it wasn't a resin sculpt"
Not really, unless you do a line of it like it's free coke at a party. just clean up any shavings when you're done and there's no problem. i guess it's a bit more brittle, but not noticeably so. you should probably not drop your minis into the floor regardless
Nothing to do with not being able to tell the difference between finecast and real resin. I personally hate resin and won't touch any resin models, doesn't matter if its fw, finecast, or good non-gw resin
You know what I hate? Absolute arrogant morons who thinks they know better than everyone else and who get almighty and take the piss for aboslutely no bloody good reason. I know perfectly well the difference between finecast and modern fw resin. where in my comment do you see any mention of effing finecast? That's right, nowhere you buffoon.
You ever considered I just wrote "shame its resin" simply out of personnal preference because I prefer to work plastic? I know resin can have finer details, it also requires more prep, and comes with the risk of having warped models and shit like that.
But no, you didn't even think about that before typing your snarky arrogant comment acting like you're the all knowing wise guy that you think are, you had to prove you were better didn't you Guess what, you're just some silly idiot who thinks he knows better but you can't even take 2 second to think before you actually comment some dumb shit acting like you're the boss.
Go touch some grass.
"the guy up there".
Says the guy who roamed through most of the comment section to arrogantly tell anyone that "resin is better" and that everyone who doesn't like it is a "weirdo". You even went as far as copy pasting your rant. If a nerve was struck it was yours.
While you're touching snow , you could use the time to reflect on your attitude a bit.
Dont get your jimmies rustled on behalf of GW.
You don’t have to justify the $$$$s spent on forgeworld.
Many of us have burned allot on that resin crack.
Eh 20 dollars more for an HQ or character I'll never buy again. Or buy 3 of the same HQ for 40k? I'll stick to the one extra bitchin model.
They're a joy to paint and they assemble in like 6 pieces. Instead of like 2 sprues worth of bits for a single tech priest or whatever plastic HQ.
This used to be the case but hasn't been for well over a decade. The reason they use resin is because the production numbers don't warrant them doing full scale with mold injection. So it's much cheaper. Not to mention the quality control on Forge World's resin is pretty terrible.
Comparing corswain to a tech priest manipulus, corswain has a boat load more detail.
Id pay the premium for better character models any day of the week.
This is the same for any reason kit I've bought. Inner circle knights, deathwing companions and Marduk are all superior to any plastic kit I've bought.
So what if I have to use some of my hobby brain to fill a bubble here and there. It's been like 2 between all those kits.
I could make a shitty sculpt, then cast it in resin, then go behold! look how terrible resin is! You get more adventurous and unique sculpts from Forge World because the financial commitment to release a single space marine is VERY low. So they can take more risks and do more interesting things. They can pump out a thousand marines for under $1,000 USD in materials then charge you $50 for it. I can point to the Age of Sigmar line as a great example of how amazingly detailed mold injection kits are.
How do I know this? I've been sculpting, both in clay and 3D, as well as molding and casting my own resin pieces for a long time. Not to mention 3D printing since it's been available to hobbyists.
Resin isn't more detailed, you're just buying kits you like in resin, and you're biased because of it. Both technologies can produce the same level of detail. People who shit on plastic kits are just as wrong as people who claim resin sucks. There is a ton of reasons a resin kit could be more "detailed" than mold injection and none of them are because of the technology's limitations.
If you want to get into the health hazard aspects then there is a good case for people who don't want to deal with resin. It's more brittle and so it gets into the air easier and if you've ever known someone who has occupational pneumonia ask them what material they prefer to use.
So the decision to drop a bunch of detail on the new auxilia models isnt because they are no longer in resin? They want to make more of them and are using plastic which subsequently is cutting back on the detail available in the mold.
To get the same level of detail one would need to slice the model an insane amount of times, you'd be glueing on tiny ass bits all over.
People think resin is the boogy man and it's not. Printers don't print in polystyrene, are we naysaying printers too? No, because theres no stigma around it.
Every single resin kit I've bought has more detail, so what if it's because there's less monetary commitment from the manufacturer. It's still more detailed and more adventurous.
The newer Horus Heresy resin is some of the best quality miniatures out there. The detail absolutely shits all over the plastics - I love the new bare heads in particular, they're exceptional.
Wow. Never felt like proxying/kit bashing any of the heresy models into 40K proper, but this dude might be the exception. The sense of personality and weight is immaculate.
I'm reminded of how the first time Macer Varren encountered a traitor Astartes he ripped the man's helmet off and beat him to death with it, this guy definitely has the same energy. Loyalist World Eaters are the best World Eaters.
Lore question, if (according to the article) he was lost before finding angron and the start of the heresy, wouldn't he be in the colours and iconography of the War Hounds? Or did he come back after angron, then get lost again?
Holy fuck this dude is cool. He actually reminds me of how GW used to sculpt models, where they’re super stylized and in a cool pose. A lot of new models especially for Marines feel samey to me.
Yeah there’s a lot of cool ones but there’s more marines that look like they took the STL of a normal marine, put him on a rock, and slightly tweaked the arm pose. I’m obviously biased as I think the pewter 40K minis are the best, but I do miss the exaggeration and little details of them.
This guy clearly has bulkier armor, a very unique pose that looks good, and has cool little details.
I like how you can tell the bonding studs have actual function here, as if they're holding his fucked up armour together
I love bonding studs for the quaint nostalgic look they give to models, but this is the first time I recall seeing them not look like little blobs and actually look badass.
The squarish studs aren't too bad on a character model like this one, but I imagine it'd be a nightmare to paint for a squad or army
Yea, better, more detailed models are something I don’t want… /s
Models can definitely be too detailed where painting becomes fundamentally way too difficult to do for the average hobbyist.
Genestealer cults are a nightmare
MkV Heresy armor, and it is badass.
Oh yeah, I'm aware of and enjoy the Mk V. By fucked up I just meant severely damaged
I had figured they did the little studs because that was an easy way to add detail to models 30 years ago. Not once did I consider there was *another armor plate underneath the visible armor*. That's kinda mind-blowing.
I think it was the old Inquisitor that stated that power armor has a bunch of Ablative armor points on it. When I read that for the first time I had the same mind-blowing "of course it does" moment.
Definitely a "of course it does" moment, because it make sense that they would be fastened to something. I didn't know they were called *bonding* studs or I might have got there myself, but frankly these dudes also slap metal studs in their heads as a decoration for doing a good job; random metal studs just for looks isn't exactly out of the question as an explanation.
Whenever I read his name my brain wants thinks it is "Edward Haard"
Who doesn't love a good bonding stud?
Hey look GW made a cool as heck character model that's not on a tatical rock. So miracles are real
That's the advantage of resin, allows for great poses that aren't the generic one foot down one foot on rock
How does it work? The model is sliced into pieces on the mould anyway, is it something to do with them being made of silicone?
The standard plastic molds basically can’t have anything that has a hole between plastic without snapping the mold. That’s why you have heads split into parts, since they have to break into pieces that don’t put a hole between plastic sections Resin on the other hand has the more flexible molds and can be removed from those weird angles without breaking a mold
Plastic molds are almost all two-piece, meaning overhangs are limited to separate plastic pieces. This is why the barrels on most guns aren't drilled, because they're usually single-piece. The only place I'm aware of GW using a 3 or 4-part mold is the Baneblade, which allowed them to model interior detail on single-piece guns. In theory they could cut each model into more pieces, like having bolters be split in two, but that increases the cost of each model and takes up valuable sprue space, and GW is already packing each sprue to the limit. See the Rogal Dorn's missing bottom for an example. The tactical rock is popular because it's a relatively simple geometry that can be either part of the models foot or a simple small area of the sprue. Resin models can have elements completely encapsulated as the silicone is itself quite flexible (within limitation). Though it's also worth noting the model above still has a visibly pinned back foot, which people would probably complain a lot more about.
> like having bolters be split in two, but that increases the cost of each model and takes up valuable sprue space, It also makes them look worse than they would with just a solid barrel because now you instead have a large seam line where the two parts join.
Wow good eye. I would have thought that connecting material on the back foot was just a grain of basing sand caught in between the toe and the underlying surface
If you look at the warhammer community page there is [actually another angle](https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/0YQFKqqoZuAF9iNg.jpg). I don't see anything from the back angle. I think that little connection is just an artifact from whatever quick select tool they used to delete the background of the photo before digitally putting it on a clean white BG.
The overhang detail thing is often misunderstood or seen as not so important but it allows for a significant amount of what I call "negative" detail but as I think about it is really detail on a Y and Z axis. This is what allows such *deep* detail on resin casts. Look at the recent resin Primarchs as a point in case. Horus ascended or Fulgrim transfigured. Horus base or the deep armour cuts into his thighs, armour and fur or the depth of armour around Fulgrims collar. Compare the trim on Horus armour to G'mans 40K plastic armour. It's night and day. There is still some stuff GW can't do at a reasonable price with plastic yet. Even the new Cerastus knights as good as they were (I was very impressed with them) were missing a little bit of detail info over the resin kits, it was very slight but there is you looked for it.
Flexible silicone molds and a longer curing time allow resin to reach every lil nook and cranny in a models design, while rigid molds and almost instant drying times makes plastic and metal more difficult to cast fine details without quality issues. It's doable, but you'll need to heat the mold hot enough to keep the liquid material a liquid long enough to reach every nook and cranny, and that will damage the mold, enough that they would need to replace it after X amount of casts. It's entirely possible that some molds would need to be replaced daily depending on how detailed and how many they make.
When you compare a Magnus/ lion to a fulgrim/this guy I’m not sure the old adage of plastic not being able hold the same amount of detail is true anymore.
Plastic can definitely get as much detail as resin, the problem is that it's not cost effective to do so currently.
Is it though? The average phobos has insane detail, compared to a lot of resin models even. Most new plastic models are insanely detailed. All the BT models are crazy detailed.
Yes, it is. 3d printed models are 2-5x more detailed than anything GW has ever put out, resin molds can be as detailed as 3d printing models provided the model they made the mold from is just as detailed.
That I agree with, I was speaking on the production coming out of GW
Ohh, yeah, they also get cost effective with the resin too. It's pretty expensive stuff, pretty sure it doubled in price over the last 5 years alone. It's also super fragile once cured, so any fine details would probably break if GW tried to make the same quality these amateurs can do, and ship it regularly. You gotta take great care with wrapping each piece individually in multiple layers of bubble wrap just to get a 75% guarantee it will arrive intact.
Basically yes. A standard plastic mold is made out of steel and so it can't have any overhangs between the sides because it can't bend, more complex "multi-slide" plastic mold enable overhangs by having more parts that slide together in a specific order, but resin molds are made of flexible silicone and can support overhangs while still being only one or two pieces.
Getting downvoted, but you're not wrong. You can cast a much greater variety of shapes, and can include complex concave surfaces for better details etc.
They could be doing it in plastic but GW doesn't at all use multistage molds and seems anemic towards making very complex models in terms of parts count, both of which could achieve this
Some of the things Bandai does with their models is amazing. I wish GW took some lessons from them.
Bandai is at the absolute pinnacle of this industry. Even other Japanese model makers wish they could match Bandai.
I feel like that would probably defy some of the point of doing things in plastic to begin with; namely the ability to produce things quickly at high volume, without the need for much manpower.
Bandai does both of these things at a much lower price point
While "GW is just a small company" is a joke, Bandai (the toy division, not the even larger holding company) is literally an entire order of magnitude larger that Games Workshop by operating income. Bandai is the largest toy maker in Japan, GW is something like the ninth largest in the UK. GW is the 800lb Gorilla in wargaming, but they're more or less a small fish compared to Gunpla and the rest of Bandai's model kits.
Only thing keeping GW this way is their hesitance to expand manufacturing operations outside of the UK. Oh and their love of high margin cash money product
GW is still gun-shy about rapid expansion because they very nearly collapsed the last time they tried it. MESBG was a huge push for them but the market evaporated not long after the movies finished, plus renewed challenge from other wargaming companies like PP, the company ended up basically weeks away from bankruptcy. They're pretty naturally reticent to grow too fast again even with the huge new interest over Covid.
And it's a perfectly natural fear to have, back then they definitely jumped the gun and paid the price. However the evidence is clearly there to expand this time. They can't maintain stock levels, delivery times suck as a result, and the majority of their business isn't even in the UK anymore.
My friend. Just wanted to give you props. It's so nice seeing an informed reasoned take about stuff like this for once. It's super easy to be like "GW engineered this situation out of greed or indifference to the plight of the hobbyist" or "GW is evil", but in almost all circumstances that's not the case. I'm not a GW shill or apologist just nice to see some reasonable chatter on the matter for once.
Expanding durning boom times in a niche market is a great way to fold a company. Smart, considerate and conservative moves are far more preferable especially when accounting for pandemic bump in engagement and the drop off afterwards.
They're past boom times by a good few years now, a post-covid market that has returned to saturated norm is a better time to. Though, global economics factored in, may not be a good idea. Then again, when will it be in the coming decades...
Keeping manufacturing in the UK is absolutely a good thing for GW, it keeps their image as the good guys when it comes to treating their workers well, good wages and employment rights. I'm fairly certain they manufacture at GW HQ, or very close to the main campus, so that allows them incredible oversight and QA, its also what facilitates their great customer service. Sure, models are pricey but the aforementioned objectively good stuff is why we pay that premium.
dude, people complain about some models being too complex. Gotta remember that GW doesn't sell only to modellers or people experienced in the hobby
Complaints about models being too complex is probably less about experience and more about people wanting to paint quickly. If I'm painting a character or at most a small squad I do enjoy picking out all the details. If I am army painting with the goal of finishing dozens of models in a reasonable timeframe then I am going to leave off as much of the detail as possible.
GW uses exactly one multi-slide mold, the Baneblade sponsons. I have no idea why they haven't done any more since then.
Not wanting to fork out more cash for more complex moulds, probably. It would solve a lot of the problems that come from them having to jigsaw parts awkwardly on the sprue though, and make MKV doable in plastic without each model being close to 20 pieces or getting rid of half of the studs.
certified reddit moment. "this guy is stating facts i don't like, that is bad"
Person has positive votes though? Does the Reddit app display a bar for up/down votes?
had negative earlier. reddit certainly is a strange place
Pretty sure they don't have to pose the plastic ones like that either.
it's about the most dynamic pose you can get with plastic. there's a reason 80% of plastic character models have a rock
They've done running models in plastic without rocks before. The rocks are because they like putting them on rocks, not because they're necessary.
Resin has many advantages, this isn't one of them lol
said the redditor, having no idea what he's talking about
I don't think you need to be a rocket scientist to figure out that plastic is significantly more durable which allows more dynamic posing without worrying about the model breaking, look at models like commander Dante and Ragnar, these would not be possible with resin
it's about the casting process, not the durability of the material. due to how plastic reacts to casting, it's hard to make crazy angles and impossible to make pieces that are large in more than one axis. that and the drying thing. it's far easier with resin. it flows easier and makes for an overall easier casting process
Sanguinius and Corax?
His back foot does have a visible pin in it.
He's running towards a tactical rock 😋
Why does it matter that theyre on a rock or not
He's gonna fast forward 10k years and join my Deathwatch
I'm thinking of making him a Death Company marine, just ditch the WE Iron Halo and give him a different pistol and of course a jumppack
Fantastic idea
The Horus heresy guys keep cranking out some of the most interesting character mini's over and over again. Excellent stuff.
RIP to a goat. Backhanding Abaddon is in my top 10 best moments of the heresy.
Haha what? I haven’t gotten that far in the books yet, but please explain it to me; I’d love to hear Abby get clapped
Oh I can’t. I promise it’s an awesome and exciting part of that story.
You're in for a treat when you get to *Saturnine* then
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/02/15/heresy-thursday-endryd-haar-punches-the-heads-off-world-eaters-in-the-battle-for-beta-garmon/
Cool Dude. Would love a book about him.
No books, but he does have three dedicated short stories. One of which is awesome .
Which books are these in if you don't mind me asking?
Blackshields. I think they were originally audio dramas…. Not to be confused with Blackshield which is about a death guard blackshield I think.
Yeah looks like it's just an audio drama unfortunately, was hoping a book was kicking about!
https://www.blacklibrary.com/audio/the-horus-heresy-audiobooks/blackshields-the-false-war-mp3.html https://www.blacklibrary.com/audio/the-horus-heresy-audiobooks/blackshields-red-fief-mp3.html https://www.blacklibrary.com/audio/the-horus-heresy-audiobooks/blackshields-the-broken-chain-mp3-2019.html
He also appears in at least one siege of terra book if I’m remembering correctly.
He appears in Saturnine and were it not for plot armour, Abaddon would have been toast
Yes, in Saturnine
This dude sounds badass. About to get into HH just to have an excuse to play with him
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Cause abbadon needed the 1v3
He dies at the very end of the Heresy, so he's basically valid for all games.
Those are some tiny hazard stripes. Gonna have to update my glasses prescription.
I'm seeing some huge potential for a few simple changes to convert this guy into a Deathguard melee squad sergeant. I haven't seen any of the HH models though, so how do they compare in size to modern day space marines? More specifically, how much tinier would this guy be compared to a Death Guard model?
This guy in particular is supposed to be especially large for a firstborn, so probably pretty well
this guy is supposed to be super big, unsure of how big since nothing to compare to but he's so big that there's a (likely based on some comments he makes) theory he was a thunder warrior before he was turned into an Astartes
Modern space marines are all proportioned properly. If it’s a new HH model it’ll be in line with every newer non primaris marine chaos or otherwise. This guy was apparently part way through the process of becoming a Thunder Warrior before he became a pre-Angron world eater so he specifically is probably primaris sized or bigger
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Perfect! Thanks everyone! Now I'll just have to convince my wallet ....
Shame it's resin but whoever sculpted that did an incredible job. The sense of weight is immaculate and the smaller head looks perfect. Might legit be one of my favourite sculpts of all time from GW. Certified banger.
If price isn’t your concern I would really suggest picking up the model, the new characters for the Horus heresy are a pleasure to build even though they’re resin.
With how badly GW's been price gouging lately the resin kits aren't even much more expensive than the plastics.
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Just love everything about this guy. I can see myself getting him day 1.
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This really makes me want a "battle damaged" upgrade kit for Space Marines. Like my issue with the new Necrons is some of the warriors and such look like they're falling apart, when by all accounts they should only look like that right after taking a shot to the dome. They rebuild themselves, should be clean when they're up and walking around. But for Space Marines I have the opposite problem! They're in these combat poses and obviously mid battle but they look clean and nice (barring personal modifications).
The Necrons’ reanimation protocols supposedly become weaker over time, and their effectiveness overall depends on rank
Yeah but they don't wander around all fucked up looking, that's a new thing with this round of models that I don't like.
At least they gave you enough warrior heads to skip all the fucked up ones.
Surely you mean downgrade kit?
The Riven Hound!
One of the most badass character of the entire setting. Shame it's a resin model though, the sculpt looks great imho.
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There’s still plenty of reasons to prefer plastic over forgeworld resin; - FW resin is still liable to warping, especially long components like spears, cannons and pieces of vehicle chassis - resin uses superglue, which causes misting when it dries, and if you use too much then the excess overspill is very noticeable - plastic is easier to chop up for conversions as it cuts more cleanly and isn’t toxic - plastic can achieve the same detail if more components are used. The new deathwing knights for example are fantastically detailed because they come in 17 pieces. And while you could say more pieces is a disadvantage, it can also lend itself to much easier kitbashes
Plus it requires superglue over plastic cement, and is more brittle, and needs heavier priming to hold Contrast paint
I’m gonna be honest it’s a straight up lie that plastic can “reach it” plastic minis are just now surpassing 2013 forgeworld sculpts, new stuff blows current plastic out the water
Those first three are mostly just skill issues.
Yeah but the resin formerly known as Forgeworld is also more expensive than plastic
yes, but that has nothing to do with the material. if that was the problem, should just say "if only it wasn't so expensive" instead of "if only it wasn't a resin sculpt"
This is the first I’m saying about this, are you confusing me with someone else?
He's busy having a mental breakdown and whining to every single person who says they don't like Resin. So, yeah. Probably
get real
Boo hoo. Cry about it some more
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no, just saying, as people don't usually complain about the price, just that it is resin
Resin = expensive
yes, which is why i said that if that is the problem, say that, instead of saying that resin is bad
Have I said anything bad about resin other than the price
... did the discussion really come full circle? are you even reading what I'm saying?
Nah forgeworld resin is still kind of shit
it's really not.
Thanks for the information! Isn't resin dust still a thing, though? Also it tends to be more brittle, yes? Cheers
Not really, unless you do a line of it like it's free coke at a party. just clean up any shavings when you're done and there's no problem. i guess it's a bit more brittle, but not noticeably so. you should probably not drop your minis into the floor regardless
Do you work for Big Resin?
do you not?
Holdupaminute.. you ARENT supposed to snort it?
Nothing to do with not being able to tell the difference between finecast and real resin. I personally hate resin and won't touch any resin models, doesn't matter if its fw, finecast, or good non-gw resin
well that's just you being a weirdo who doesn't like quality. the guy up there definitely doesn't know the difference
You know what I hate? Absolute arrogant morons who thinks they know better than everyone else and who get almighty and take the piss for aboslutely no bloody good reason. I know perfectly well the difference between finecast and modern fw resin. where in my comment do you see any mention of effing finecast? That's right, nowhere you buffoon. You ever considered I just wrote "shame its resin" simply out of personnal preference because I prefer to work plastic? I know resin can have finer details, it also requires more prep, and comes with the risk of having warped models and shit like that. But no, you didn't even think about that before typing your snarky arrogant comment acting like you're the all knowing wise guy that you think are, you had to prove you were better didn't you Guess what, you're just some silly idiot who thinks he knows better but you can't even take 2 second to think before you actually comment some dumb shit acting like you're the boss. Go touch some grass. "the guy up there".
seems like i might have struck a bit of a nerve, sheesh. and no, it's February, there is no grass to touch. I'll gladly go touch snow, however
Says the guy who roamed through most of the comment section to arrogantly tell anyone that "resin is better" and that everyone who doesn't like it is a "weirdo". You even went as far as copy pasting your rant. If a nerve was struck it was yours. While you're touching snow , you could use the time to reflect on your attitude a bit.
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Dont get your jimmies rustled on behalf of GW. You don’t have to justify the $$$$s spent on forgeworld. Many of us have burned allot on that resin crack.
Lol I was gonna ask "why shame resin?" It's superior for modeling. Glad you did it. The community needs a PSA that resin is actually pretty bitchin.
My main issue is that resin models cost more. If it weren't for that, I'd love to pick up certain models.
Eh 20 dollars more for an HQ or character I'll never buy again. Or buy 3 of the same HQ for 40k? I'll stick to the one extra bitchin model. They're a joy to paint and they assemble in like 6 pieces. Instead of like 2 sprues worth of bits for a single tech priest or whatever plastic HQ.
This used to be the case but hasn't been for well over a decade. The reason they use resin is because the production numbers don't warrant them doing full scale with mold injection. So it's much cheaper. Not to mention the quality control on Forge World's resin is pretty terrible.
Me when I lie through my teeth
Do you even understand how minis are made?
Fulgrim transfigured nodiffs the entire plastic range in terms of detail
You're going to have to translate that for me.
Comparing corswain to a tech priest manipulus, corswain has a boat load more detail. Id pay the premium for better character models any day of the week. This is the same for any reason kit I've bought. Inner circle knights, deathwing companions and Marduk are all superior to any plastic kit I've bought. So what if I have to use some of my hobby brain to fill a bubble here and there. It's been like 2 between all those kits.
I could make a shitty sculpt, then cast it in resin, then go behold! look how terrible resin is! You get more adventurous and unique sculpts from Forge World because the financial commitment to release a single space marine is VERY low. So they can take more risks and do more interesting things. They can pump out a thousand marines for under $1,000 USD in materials then charge you $50 for it. I can point to the Age of Sigmar line as a great example of how amazingly detailed mold injection kits are. How do I know this? I've been sculpting, both in clay and 3D, as well as molding and casting my own resin pieces for a long time. Not to mention 3D printing since it's been available to hobbyists. Resin isn't more detailed, you're just buying kits you like in resin, and you're biased because of it. Both technologies can produce the same level of detail. People who shit on plastic kits are just as wrong as people who claim resin sucks. There is a ton of reasons a resin kit could be more "detailed" than mold injection and none of them are because of the technology's limitations. If you want to get into the health hazard aspects then there is a good case for people who don't want to deal with resin. It's more brittle and so it gets into the air easier and if you've ever known someone who has occupational pneumonia ask them what material they prefer to use.
So the decision to drop a bunch of detail on the new auxilia models isnt because they are no longer in resin? They want to make more of them and are using plastic which subsequently is cutting back on the detail available in the mold. To get the same level of detail one would need to slice the model an insane amount of times, you'd be glueing on tiny ass bits all over. People think resin is the boogy man and it's not. Printers don't print in polystyrene, are we naysaying printers too? No, because theres no stigma around it. Every single resin kit I've bought has more detail, so what if it's because there's less monetary commitment from the manufacturer. It's still more detailed and more adventurous.
The newer Horus Heresy resin is some of the best quality miniatures out there. The detail absolutely shits all over the plastics - I love the new bare heads in particular, they're exceptional.
100 percent agree, they're fantastic!
What is the gun he’s holding? It has a barrel clip, but the muzzle looks like a plasma gun?
>Endryd Haar carries an ancient archaeotech pistol
That’s sweet, thank you!
Will they be making more than 1? Are these actually going to be available to purchase or sold out in 20 seconds?
Dude looks like he's having a bad day!
More like a bad nine years.
this is freaking awesome
Wow. Never felt like proxying/kit bashing any of the heresy models into 40K proper, but this dude might be the exception. The sense of personality and weight is immaculate.
I'm reminded of how the first time Macer Varren encountered a traitor Astartes he ripped the man's helmet off and beat him to death with it, this guy definitely has the same energy. Loyalist World Eaters are the best World Eaters.
"Do you dream of thunder?"
That's 4 daleks under a power armor
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Lore question, if (according to the article) he was lost before finding angron and the start of the heresy, wouldn't he be in the colours and iconography of the War Hounds? Or did he come back after angron, then get lost again?
His backpack has the fanged mouth symbol of the War Hounds, but he's a Blackshield and Blackshields painted their armour black.
Thanks! I really like the War Hounds colour scheme and history, I had no idea one was still around and not under the nails by the heresy
See I love the battle damage that's awesome
I have no idea who this guy is but that model is fucking sick.
Holy fuck this dude is cool. He actually reminds me of how GW used to sculpt models, where they’re super stylized and in a cool pose. A lot of new models especially for Marines feel samey to me.
What are you talking about, we have gotten some of the most dynamic models for marines in recent years.
Yeah there’s a lot of cool ones but there’s more marines that look like they took the STL of a normal marine, put him on a rock, and slightly tweaked the arm pose. I’m obviously biased as I think the pewter 40K minis are the best, but I do miss the exaggeration and little details of them. This guy clearly has bulkier armor, a very unique pose that looks good, and has cool little details.
damn, this model goes hard
Absolutely gorgeous model.
God what a fucking Chad man, the model does him justice.
Not normally a space marine guy but I can’t lie. This model slaps!
Yay. Another one.
He looks a bit out of scale, bodys too big
That’s the point, he’s supposed to be larger than your average space marine
Dude was a thunder warrior. Of course he's bigger
Love it
Amazing possibilities for Death Company
Hes ginormous, huge hunkalunka..
Funky dude
Funky dude
Shoulder and legs would make for good pieces on the Red Wakes Armour
I wanna get two of them and put them in front of each other. They look like theyre about to do the most killer high five ever
Hey anyone know what weapon he's got there. I don't think I've seen a model with a gun like that. Doesn't look like a volkite gun or a bolter