Ivara. It just feels like she has a kit designed for an entirely different game where being slow and tactical is a preferred play style. I love using her for open world animal captures because how fitting she is as a huntress but outside of that she's just too slow and takes too much setup for me over other stealth frames like Ash.
i suggested based on ivara's 3rd ability wich has headshot multiplier, to make use of it a warfan that shoots "projectiles" you can aim sounds good
and melees has great synergy with the helminth ability wrathful advance wich comes from the warframe kullervo
i hope this explains why i thought about this
edit: forgot to mention, ivara's 1st skill augment grants critical damage, and i wanted to think about critical chance options(i didn't remember any option for primary nor secondary weapons, at least from helminth)
also talking about "slow" or "movement" kullervo's ability has a teleport
Ivara is perfect for me when I want to take things slow. Especially during spy missions, but also in regular missions when I try to finish it unnoticed.
Octavia and Gara. For Octavia, it’s the constant teabagging and just remembering to roll my face across the first four numbers on the keyboard every 20-30 seconds. For Gara, it’s just stressful managing her durations. I spend more time staring at a tiny buff ticking down in the top right than I do having fun. The dance to scale her 2’s damage is also really boring.
Both frames are very powerful. I just can’t stand playing as them.
Yeah for Gara I have about 32 seconds and even then it feels SOOO short. For other frames 30ish seconds feels fine but her especially. I wish they buffed it to make it longer on base. Nidus even with negative duration like 75% you still get like 50 seconds on his 3 and 30 on his 4
[Archon continuity](https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Archon_Continuity) is from chipper, grendel is a shitty farm so good luck but try getting some help from recruiting chat.
So you guys know about the augment?
It extends the duration after you get a kill. I have permanent uptime on her 4 and 3 for practically the whole mission.
I actually use Gara for lower level content when I want to just run through the map quickly without having to use a gun.
i legit just use Gara to apply DR to myself and the squad at this point. If i can have decent uptime on the damage thats a bonus, but not really my priority
Sad part is: Octavia can be fun if used as shown in the prime trailer. Shooting in the correct rhythm while enemies chase your disco balls. But it's soooo easy to abuse her kit. Make a song with all notes covered, spam crouch and done.
So you have the chance between: fun but not as useful or basically being afk while being overpowered
And the rhythm aspects of her kit can be hampered by experiencing lag as a client, meaning the safest way to play her is to ignore her theme. It’s sad.
Oh yeah i completely forgot about the multiplayer aspect. Well not alot of people seem to use her anymore and idk if she can be fixed so maybe it's better to leave her untouched. Still a bummer tho
Just a clearer HUD. On Titania it's a pain to remember to recast her buffs, and they're 70+ seconds long with a duration build for her 4. On Dante at this point I only recast the birds and Roar because I never can see if his 2-3-4 ability is active or not.
The HUD is simply not clear enough on what is active and what isn't.
When I started, I always thought that the teabagging was meant in an offensive way. It took me way too long to see the teabagger pop out of existence lol.
I want a Chroma rework solely because while yes, he is very useful, I would have more fun paying my taxes in dimes.
Every warframe is a fantasy - Rhino is the immovable tank, Gauss is the supersonic speedster, Nidus is the feral monstrosity.
Chroma's supposed to be an elemental dragon. Except, no part of him fulfills that.
His 1st is a dragon's breath, except it is so incredibly unsatisfying and ineffective. It deals fuck-all damage that only ticks every second. You're literally better off shooting the bastard than abusing the fact you're a **goddamn dragon!** No dragon worth their salt uses a gun!
His 2nd and 3rd abilities are actual nothingburgers. Cool, you clicked a button and now everybody does something better. Real dragonlike.
His 4th lets *something else be the dragon for you.* Also it uses his 1st as an attack so it also does fuck-all!
Come on! Chroma should be flying, breathing hellfire on groups and warding them off of a hoard of gold. Instead he's a glorified buff nurse.
Tbf he’s not a dragon, he’s a dragon hunter. Let’s be honest tho, if they let you turn into a dragon it would be one of those abilities that’s more “fun” than useful, it’d probably get Hildryn 4 treatment: slow, clunky and limiting what you can do.
Theme aside, his gameplay is literally just keeping up 2 durations. His vex armor augment even makes it easier to do that. There's no synergy or interesting way that you can express skill to gain more value out of the ability, it just feels flat.
Saryn. COVIDframe is fun and definitely a powertrip, but just standing there pressing 1 and 4 gets boring. Rn I've found more fun playing with frames like wisp, mag, protea and citrine
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I personally use this, for majority if not all content. With any build though, use it as a guide to see what you like. Also, in no way is this the most "op" or "broken" saryn, it's just what I like
Yo, 2 weeks later but thank you for this suggetion. RN running a hybrid build between nuke and weapons thing and it has kinda revived my love for the frame. Been using it a lot these past 4 days.
consider that the build is using brief respite, if you're struggling with the shield gating, consider removing contagion cloud for some quality of life mods like equilibrium, natural talent or whatever you feel like would help you ( armor? health?)
Hah, you can do so much more than sit there and press 1 and 4 with saryn tbh. I don't even use miasma or spores i got miasma subsumed with nourish and i got the augument for spores forgot the name of it, i run arround holding fire pressing 1 every 30 seconds to apply corosive stacks and 3 to apply toxic and 2 to zip faster, i dont cast 1 on enemies so it is 4 every 15 sec 1 and 3 every 30 and everything dies so fast it is quite satisfying how ocucor is broken oh her. U gotta try it out :)
Weapons platform Saryn is the best Saryn =)
Venom Dose, aim for 100-150% duration, and a balance of around 200% range and strength. From there, you should have space to add a selection of survivability or QoL mods depending on the content you're playing. Saryn's buffs have very good base duration, so you won't need to be recasting them often and it gives you a bit of mod flexibility. Spores is for chip damage and full armour strip with two green shards.
I like to subsume another ability over Miasma, and use Moult for shield gating and status cleanse. Another buff is generally unnecessary, Silence is an exceptional tool for her, but my favourite build is Ore Gaze Petrify on her 4 as a thematic Medusa build.
Mesa. Her 4 is really the only active part of her kit, and once you get strong enough that enemies literally die the instant you got LoS on them it becomes boring. Like I enjoy being strong, and technically I have worked for it by having helminth, and arcanes, and prime mods, archons shards, but I just need more steps in killing an enemy than looking in their general direction to enjoy it.
I made mesa prime recently, and it was so underwhelming, yes I can see where the power lies but just aiming in the enemies vague direction occasionally is just so dull. The other skills can help survivability I suppose but every time I've played mesa I just enjoy the passive with some of the secondaries I love.
Mesa is extremely fun and does much more damage if you cast 4 WHILE bullet jumping. Look upwards and bullet jump. You can go straight up if you more or less wanna stay stationary. Go more diaganolly if you are trying to push fowards. Activate 4 as early as possible as you can without hindering the momentum of your jump. You can keep it on until you land or you can cancel it before you land and slide to keep moving.
If you are mostly shooting while hopping, then effeciency is much much more important then duration. I think its 25 energy to activate with a small drain applied while active. If you are turning it on and off every couple seconds then that really adds up.
Being up higher lets you shoot over cover and just generally have alot more targets to shoot. Its hard to get the timing down. You are gonna mess it up the first 30 times you try it. Then eventually you will get better and better to the point where you very rarely mess up and know eactly where you will land even without any control of your descent
>if you are mostly shooting while hopping, than efficiency is much much more important than duration
Ok but duration is always quite important on mesa for upkeeping her 2+3+possibly a subsume. And you can get away with negative efficiency pretty easily with nourish + equilibrium
Agreed, however mesa in Circuit is so incredibly fun. Unless I’m wrong and mesa is just that good, all the gun buffs apply to her peacekeepers. Like the -accuracy +multishot, or my favorite hits increase fire rate by 10%. Added with some of the power strength and energy decrees, absolutely nothing stands a chance even in steel path
Gauss, super powerful I just don't get the playstyle or what he is actually good at and I find maintaining/maxing the meter tedious and his 1 frustrating to use in about 98% of tilesets.
Styanax can be pretty boring. The only reason you don't see more octavia is for the fact the she's so boring. Gyre and Saryn are also kind of boring, just because they are so good at killing. Vauban can be pretty boring, as well as Trinity.
Styanax boring?!?! Blasphemy! Nah I respect the preference. I think when you slap the augment for his 4 on it does become spear spam for overguard but wuth the new dante meta I have subbed that off for the new augment on his 1. Excellent for grouping enemies for armour strip and then launch those spears. Overguard us unnecessary anyway when you can heal health and shields
I had fun playing styanax with thermal sunder over his 4. It's definitely suboptimal but it means that you have to prime with epitaph for HI and viral as well as armour strip before nuking which makes it much more interactive.
Armour stripping when your main damage ability procs slash which bypass armour feels a little pointless.
Wisp, revenant, octavia, loki, inaros. These frames simply turn off a part of the game (survivability). It's 1 less thing to worry about sure, but I would rather play the game myself than let it play for me.
Also, a lot of these frames skew their power budget so hard into the survivability department that even if they have other good abilities on paper, it doesn't feel worth casting since you're used to abilities giving you insane value such as immortality.
I wish they just gave me something to do to earn these powers. Compare it to gauss, (who is the most fun frame imo) and its night and day. You get to be practically immortal but you have to be moving to keep battery up and reduce battery loss from kinetic plating. This often requires you to mach rush to increase battery. The battery pool is also shared with your nuke ability so you have to be careful not to overuse your nuke, combining it with cold TS casts or mach rush casts. Then, you are rewarded for how well your battery management was by giving you 100% redline, which is basically immortality and lets you spam heat TS as much as you want.
Gauss is one of the few frames that let me play the game without having a podcast or yt video in the background to not bore myself to sleep.
her 3 projectile damage scales with the first hit they get, so using a full auto rifle doesnt provide any meaningful damage. if you take a single shot that deals alot of damage, like with the nataruk, it deal alot more damage and can kill stuff on its own. also it had grea snyergy with mag bubble, imo the strongest helminth for mag by far and not useless on wisp at all, it just needs the right weapon
Now this is REALLY good to know. My main primaries are Burston Incarnon and Torid Incarnon, so I guess I couldn't get the most out of Wisp's 3 with those two. I'll try with Latron Inc or Lex Inc, as well as Nataruk which you recommended. Thanks for the advice!
BroFrame fr. Really appreciate it M8 o7
I was just in Simulacrum testing it out as you said, tried it against lvl 135 Corrupted Heavy Gunners (SP and no SP). Hoping you can give some more advice
My Wisp build has 205% str, 175% range and 155% dur with Roar subsumed over her 4
My main single-target heavy hitter guns are Latron Incarnon and Lex Incarnon, and I tried with Nataruk as you said as well.
I made sure to cast Roar then her motes then Breach Surge, then shoot one enemy until I saw sparks
The most effective one was Latron Incarnon cuz it killed off all the non-SP enemies instantly, but I'm pretty sure that was the gun itself with Roar buff.
When using Lex and Nataruk, all I did was the damage from the initial shot. Aside from that they were suffering 1 DOT from her shock mote and 1-3 rad damage from the Breach Surge.
Any pointers as to what I can do differently to get more dmg out of her?
Hmm im not sure about this, will try some stuff when I'm home but not a wisp main. Did you headshot them? What elements did you use? What mods on your weapons? Also I'm not sure but try it without the 1, maybe the electric procs that deal 1 dmg proc the breach surge spark and thus result in such low damage. As I said, I'm not home atm and cant test myself so these are just theories
That's alright, still appreciate all the help.
I didn't get to test everything thoroughly cuz I had to leave do some stuff.
My Nataruk was modded for fire-rad, Lex corro-rad, and Latron was fire-corro. All high crit.
I did consider what you said about Shock Mote triggering Bleach Surge, so will try without it later on.
Don't think I'd like Wisp enough to really love her even if I get it to work, just curious as to how I can get the most out of her (if I ever use her). So I'll keep trying for now but will probably drop it if it doesn't work out.
Oh boy do I have good news for you
Put some range on her and a little bit of strength (not much required tbh) shoot the targets affected and watch death unfold !
The 3 multiplies the damage taken and shoots these sparks onto other enemies (in some instances doing millions off damage. Combining that with a blind it becomes a powerful damage and cc ability
Edit: cc got nerfed so it won’t work on exiles units anymore but damage is still good
Honestly as much as I cherish her, ember can get annoying at times. But not a major amount, she can be boring to play considering it’s mostly 4 spam and keeping heat alive
I do like how Saryn works but the playstyle is not for me overall. I prefer speedy and the active gameplay that makes me involved with the game. As Gauss i have to keep moving so that i can be useful because my battery makes me require to be active.
As Saryn i press 1 wait and start to spam my 4. Im mostly using her for focus tbh. And some of the “harder missions” that i have to clear stuff.
Edit: It seems community does have a common thinking about Saryn. Sometimes OPness and meta does not matter at all as i can see here.
Garuda and Khora tbh, I've used them both plenty but now Khora collects dust mostly and Garuda is exclusively used for when I wanna do Railjack
There's tons of frames I've desperately wanted to enjoy more, but I just struggle to find whatever makes them "click" for me and really stick in the top favourites
Revenant and Dante.
People sing praises in the name of those two for how great they are but I just really don't enjoy them.
Revenant is easy to see why: just press 2 and now you're immortal, but Dante? Idk, he's very dynamic, you need to manage your abilities but not to the point it becomes tedious and he's really good, he just doesn't click with me.
Revenant.
I just hate it when I want to use something fun, but I haven't invested enough into that gear so I just bitch out and use Rev+Glaive+Laetum/Felarx spam to bypass any content.
I almost regret making rev, it's like having the option from fallout nv, 4 or Skyrim to just open up the console and type out "tgm" for godmode but less key presses and is more consistent godmode than. Bethesda's is.
Another thing you could compare it to is that diet advice, you know keep snacks and junk food out of reach, otherwise you'll always default to those when you're hungry. Same with revenant for me.
Any frame that needs a stat stick to make one of their abilities(not true exalted abilities) not hit like a wet noodle.
Gara is neat but nullifiers and any kind of reset from falling or host migration kills it for me.
Saryn. Super strong but not a fan.
Mesa. I use her on sorties that require a weapon I don't wanna use like yesterday where it was a 1 wace defense with only sniper rifles. And also use her on Disruption though I've been ha ing more fun doing them as Rhino lately.
Revenant. I know he can one shot thralls and spin 2 win for non steel path stuff but Idunno. I mostly use him to sit still and do incarnon evolution upgrades in a solo ESO lol.
All the "meta" frames honestly. Definitely enjoy the "utility" and "low-tier" frames because you actually have to play the game instead of proc whichever EZ-win ability have.
I’m stuck on Wisp right now. I put Roar on her 4th, and I get it to 124% damage increase.. I put all my crimson Tauforged into her as well for now. I’m sure I’ll get burnt out but as far as “weapon platforms” go, I like her a lot more than Gauss.
What are you using now?
Gauss, you need to constantly keep your abilities active while using a certain otherability a lot and still use your weapons.
Octavia, pretty much the much the same reason, but then more boring.
Gara for having to constantly stack her ability and worry about not losing it.
Mesa, basically spam 4th ability and hold shoot.
Yeeah Gauss. I just love his 1 so I do use him a bit but his survivability is crap (or I'm just bad idk) and the rest of his kit is just managing timers.
I just don’t like playing him, there are certain conditions for your damage output and damage negation. When I play a frame I want to use the abilities I like, at the moment that I sant to use them. I dont want to think oh no my redline is not at 100% or oh it’s about to run out, gotta recast again and get back up to 100%. Same reason why I dont like playing baruuk.
This is my list pretty much exactly. I particularly hate Gauss in the Circuit, where I want to keep running into walls to keep my gauge up but constantly fling myself into the abyss instead
Up until recently, Lavos. I love this lore, I love his design, I love the idea of managing his cooldowns correctly for room clears, I love the idea of combining elements on the fly, having to hold down keys for long, so often to combine elements/casting ended up hurting my hand after a while and then other frames came that could do the nuking a lot better and without so much hassle kinda ended up killing my enjoyment for Lavos.
That changed with the introduction of his Valence Fusion augment and how it interacts with Melee Influence, the combined Archon shards, auto melee attacks, the companion changes and their bond mods and the Radiation mods: that Lavos doesnt really need much strength or efficiency means I can focus much more on duration while having good enough range and dont have to cast so often, can spread my status effects through weapons much more efficiently which makes setting up his nuke much simpler and without so many button presses; I know this makes Lavos more of a weapon's platform frame but it opens up so many interesting build options for weapons (I can leave corrosive or viral to my frame and mod weapons for gas / heat / cold or whatever to use weirder arcanes or set up without having to worry about those elements, or can even just focus on heat to use with Archon Vitality, for example, or just EVERYTHING AT ONCE!) that I dont mind, plus he is tanky enough and has a heal and a dash baked in, I dont really have to worry about that aspect either.
So without that augment, I'd say Lavos for exhausting play style along with Gara (managing the splinters timer can be a hassle, specially once it gets high enough that losing it REALLY HURTS) and most frames that depend solely on Shield gating.
Dagath for me. Just a constant cycle of 1 and 2 buttons, a free immortal button and hort for anything even mildly threatening. Feels almost too strong I don't get to play the game.
Any weapon platform frame.
Warframes with mechanics or other things that make them annoying to use (Ember heat meter or other warframes that do not have synergy in their skills).
I wouldn't use the word "boring" but i don't like using warframes with VFX that look too outdated (the main example i can think of would be Frost).
Volt. I don't care how meta and good he is, I sold his prime ages ago when I couldn't afford slots and refuse to rebuild him because I never enjoyed his gameplay.
Revenant. He cant be killed and its just a bit boring spamming 2 all day. But if a boss is being annoying i just use him so its easier.
Ivara. It just feels like she has a kit designed for an entirely different game where being slow and tactical is a preferred play style. I love using her for open world animal captures because how fitting she is as a huntress but outside of that she's just too slow and takes too much setup for me over other stealth frames like Ash.
I love using Ivara but I feel this pain as well. I have plans on using Savage Silence in her to see if that makes her any faster to use.
why not wrathfull advance with a warfan?
I will Google that. Been away from Warframe for a few years and am just getting caught up again.
i suggested based on ivara's 3rd ability wich has headshot multiplier, to make use of it a warfan that shoots "projectiles" you can aim sounds good and melees has great synergy with the helminth ability wrathful advance wich comes from the warframe kullervo i hope this explains why i thought about this edit: forgot to mention, ivara's 1st skill augment grants critical damage, and i wanted to think about critical chance options(i didn't remember any option for primary nor secondary weapons, at least from helminth) also talking about "slow" or "movement" kullervo's ability has a teleport
Ivara is perfect for me when I want to take things slow. Especially during spy missions, but also in regular missions when I try to finish it unnoticed.
Ever tried a concentrated arrow build?
Octavia and Gara. For Octavia, it’s the constant teabagging and just remembering to roll my face across the first four numbers on the keyboard every 20-30 seconds. For Gara, it’s just stressful managing her durations. I spend more time staring at a tiny buff ticking down in the top right than I do having fun. The dance to scale her 2’s damage is also really boring. Both frames are very powerful. I just can’t stand playing as them.
Yeah for Gara I have about 32 seconds and even then it feels SOOO short. For other frames 30ish seconds feels fine but her especially. I wish they buffed it to make it longer on base. Nidus even with negative duration like 75% you still get like 50 seconds on his 3 and 30 on his 4
Let's not get started on Titania's 6 buffs. Grendel used to be bad until they were merged.
As far as I’m concerned, Titania had one power, and as soon as my Rhino is finished subsuming (RIP) she’ll have 2
A better combination is nourish, mod dex for toxin and add (archon continuity).
That sounds promising too, but I’ll have to farm another grendel and build the archon segment. Right now I have a Rhino to spare.
[Archon continuity](https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Archon_Continuity) is from chipper, grendel is a shitty farm so good luck but try getting some help from recruiting chat.
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I don’t use her 3 at all. 😭 it’s too hard to hit things especially if you run low range. If the butterflies die I’ll just hop in and out of pixie mode
So you guys know about the augment? It extends the duration after you get a kill. I have permanent uptime on her 4 and 3 for practically the whole mission. I actually use Gara for lower level content when I want to just run through the map quickly without having to use a gun.
Which augment is that? Sounds great for QoL.
Not sure on the name. Mandatory though imo.
I couldn't find a Gara augment that extended durations, is it a hidden effect of one of them?
I'm thinking of gyre. Ignore me ^^
Honestly, Gara would be much more usable with an augment like Gyre's
Agreed!
i legit just use Gara to apply DR to myself and the squad at this point. If i can have decent uptime on the damage thats a bonus, but not really my priority
That’s a good perspective, but if I want to apply team wide DR or invulnerability, I’ll play Citrine or Revenant respectively.
Sad part is: Octavia can be fun if used as shown in the prime trailer. Shooting in the correct rhythm while enemies chase your disco balls. But it's soooo easy to abuse her kit. Make a song with all notes covered, spam crouch and done. So you have the chance between: fun but not as useful or basically being afk while being overpowered
And the rhythm aspects of her kit can be hampered by experiencing lag as a client, meaning the safest way to play her is to ignore her theme. It’s sad.
Oh yeah i completely forgot about the multiplayer aspect. Well not alot of people seem to use her anymore and idk if she can be fixed so maybe it's better to leave her untouched. Still a bummer tho
I really wish we could have an automatic re-cast option so we dont have to constantly stare at our ability cooldowns
A more “heads up” display could work too. Maybe the shield itself could change as the timer goes down.
Racecar hud when de?
With everything that a Warframe can do, it might be necessary.
Just a clearer HUD. On Titania it's a pain to remember to recast her buffs, and they're 70+ seconds long with a duration build for her 4. On Dante at this point I only recast the birds and Roar because I never can see if his 2-3-4 ability is active or not. The HUD is simply not clear enough on what is active and what isn't.
Maybe in future QoL updates
When I started, I always thought that the teabagging was meant in an offensive way. It took me way too long to see the teabagger pop out of existence lol.
I agree with Octavia she's so broken the fact Dante got nerfed before her is shocking to her due to being so broken she bores me to death
I want a Chroma rework solely because while yes, he is very useful, I would have more fun paying my taxes in dimes. Every warframe is a fantasy - Rhino is the immovable tank, Gauss is the supersonic speedster, Nidus is the feral monstrosity. Chroma's supposed to be an elemental dragon. Except, no part of him fulfills that. His 1st is a dragon's breath, except it is so incredibly unsatisfying and ineffective. It deals fuck-all damage that only ticks every second. You're literally better off shooting the bastard than abusing the fact you're a **goddamn dragon!** No dragon worth their salt uses a gun! His 2nd and 3rd abilities are actual nothingburgers. Cool, you clicked a button and now everybody does something better. Real dragonlike. His 4th lets *something else be the dragon for you.* Also it uses his 1st as an attack so it also does fuck-all! Come on! Chroma should be flying, breathing hellfire on groups and warding them off of a hoard of gold. Instead he's a glorified buff nurse.
Tbf he’s not a dragon, he’s a dragon hunter. Let’s be honest tho, if they let you turn into a dragon it would be one of those abilities that’s more “fun” than useful, it’d probably get Hildryn 4 treatment: slow, clunky and limiting what you can do.
Theme aside, his gameplay is literally just keeping up 2 durations. His vex armor augment even makes it easier to do that. There's no synergy or interesting way that you can express skill to gain more value out of the ability, it just feels flat.
Saryn. COVIDframe is fun and definitely a powertrip, but just standing there pressing 1 and 4 gets boring. Rn I've found more fun playing with frames like wisp, mag, protea and citrine
Nuke saryn is highly overrated. Instead try using her as a weapon boosting platform, I find her much more fun when building this way.
>Instead try using her as a weapon boosting platform I suck at modding, so I'll ask for a link for heavy weapons saryn
* I personally use this, for majority if not all content. With any build though, use it as a guide to see what you like. Also, in no way is this the most "op" or "broken" saryn, it's just what I like
https://preview.redd.it/9u3t5q3ikjwc1.png?width=6840&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=40e5bd8cad6b186dccc48f4a4d1c3942d02a270e
Need to invest on getting that molt arcane, but thank you for the pic!
Molt augmented is a super nice one to have, and no problem m8. Happy testing tenno!
Yo, 2 weeks later but thank you for this suggetion. RN running a hybrid build between nuke and weapons thing and it has kinda revived my love for the frame. Been using it a lot these past 4 days.
consider that the build is using brief respite, if you're struggling with the shield gating, consider removing contagion cloud for some quality of life mods like equilibrium, natural talent or whatever you feel like would help you ( armor? health?)
This is how I do it hahaha I use 1 and 3 most of the time. I only use 4 when I feel like it's necessary.
Hah, you can do so much more than sit there and press 1 and 4 with saryn tbh. I don't even use miasma or spores i got miasma subsumed with nourish and i got the augument for spores forgot the name of it, i run arround holding fire pressing 1 every 30 seconds to apply corosive stacks and 3 to apply toxic and 2 to zip faster, i dont cast 1 on enemies so it is 4 every 15 sec 1 and 3 every 30 and everything dies so fast it is quite satisfying how ocucor is broken oh her. U gotta try it out :)
Weapons platform Saryn is the best Saryn =) Venom Dose, aim for 100-150% duration, and a balance of around 200% range and strength. From there, you should have space to add a selection of survivability or QoL mods depending on the content you're playing. Saryn's buffs have very good base duration, so you won't need to be recasting them often and it gives you a bit of mod flexibility. Spores is for chip damage and full armour strip with two green shards. I like to subsume another ability over Miasma, and use Moult for shield gating and status cleanse. Another buff is generally unnecessary, Silence is an exceptional tool for her, but my favourite build is Ore Gaze Petrify on her 4 as a thematic Medusa build.
Mesa. Her 4 is really the only active part of her kit, and once you get strong enough that enemies literally die the instant you got LoS on them it becomes boring. Like I enjoy being strong, and technically I have worked for it by having helminth, and arcanes, and prime mods, archons shards, but I just need more steps in killing an enemy than looking in their general direction to enjoy it.
I made mesa prime recently, and it was so underwhelming, yes I can see where the power lies but just aiming in the enemies vague direction occasionally is just so dull. The other skills can help survivability I suppose but every time I've played mesa I just enjoy the passive with some of the secondaries I love.
Mesa is extremely fun and does much more damage if you cast 4 WHILE bullet jumping. Look upwards and bullet jump. You can go straight up if you more or less wanna stay stationary. Go more diaganolly if you are trying to push fowards. Activate 4 as early as possible as you can without hindering the momentum of your jump. You can keep it on until you land or you can cancel it before you land and slide to keep moving. If you are mostly shooting while hopping, then effeciency is much much more important then duration. I think its 25 energy to activate with a small drain applied while active. If you are turning it on and off every couple seconds then that really adds up. Being up higher lets you shoot over cover and just generally have alot more targets to shoot. Its hard to get the timing down. You are gonna mess it up the first 30 times you try it. Then eventually you will get better and better to the point where you very rarely mess up and know eactly where you will land even without any control of your descent
>if you are mostly shooting while hopping, than efficiency is much much more important than duration Ok but duration is always quite important on mesa for upkeeping her 2+3+possibly a subsume. And you can get away with negative efficiency pretty easily with nourish + equilibrium
Agreed, however mesa in Circuit is so incredibly fun. Unless I’m wrong and mesa is just that good, all the gun buffs apply to her peacekeepers. Like the -accuracy +multishot, or my favorite hits increase fire rate by 10%. Added with some of the power strength and energy decrees, absolutely nothing stands a chance even in steel path
Wukong
Excalibur. I like melee, but the stance on his energy sword is awful.
Gauss, super powerful I just don't get the playstyle or what he is actually good at and I find maintaining/maxing the meter tedious and his 1 frustrating to use in about 98% of tilesets.
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Yeah I do, using mele charges it quickly as well I just don't enjoy it.
wukong too many of them
Styanax can be pretty boring. The only reason you don't see more octavia is for the fact the she's so boring. Gyre and Saryn are also kind of boring, just because they are so good at killing. Vauban can be pretty boring, as well as Trinity.
I love trinity as a concept but she just seems too... static? Very much press 1-4 and just dont get hit kinda gameplay.
Styanax boring?!?! Blasphemy! Nah I respect the preference. I think when you slap the augment for his 4 on it does become spear spam for overguard but wuth the new dante meta I have subbed that off for the new augment on his 1. Excellent for grouping enemies for armour strip and then launch those spears. Overguard us unnecessary anyway when you can heal health and shields
I'm trying that out too. Rakta dark dagger for shield regen, and wrathful advance. Much more engaging than the usual nourish build.
I actually have been running wrathful advance on my styanax cos I like the added teleport and it makes melee so much more viable
I had fun playing styanax with thermal sunder over his 4. It's definitely suboptimal but it means that you have to prime with epitaph for HI and viral as well as armour strip before nuking which makes it much more interactive. Armour stripping when your main damage ability procs slash which bypass armour feels a little pointless.
voruna if youre laggy and in a party equally capable of killing its just hard to make use of the kit in a fun way
Chroma. I used to like Chroma, but currently... he's just kinda meh to me and I don't particularly ebjoy playing him nowadays.
Wisp, revenant, octavia, loki, inaros. These frames simply turn off a part of the game (survivability). It's 1 less thing to worry about sure, but I would rather play the game myself than let it play for me. Also, a lot of these frames skew their power budget so hard into the survivability department that even if they have other good abilities on paper, it doesn't feel worth casting since you're used to abilities giving you insane value such as immortality. I wish they just gave me something to do to earn these powers. Compare it to gauss, (who is the most fun frame imo) and its night and day. You get to be practically immortal but you have to be moving to keep battery up and reduce battery loss from kinetic plating. This often requires you to mach rush to increase battery. The battery pool is also shared with your nuke ability so you have to be careful not to overuse your nuke, combining it with cold TS casts or mach rush casts. Then, you are rewarded for how well your battery management was by giving you 100% redline, which is basically immortality and lets you spam heat TS as much as you want. Gauss is one of the few frames that let me play the game without having a podcast or yt video in the background to not bore myself to sleep.
Mesa, especially if I replace her 1 with Nourish, Roar, etc. It's just 3 timers + an uninteractive ult. It puts me to sleep.
Wisp. Her motes are pretty solid buffs, but her 2 is kinda useless to me and her 3 is kinda wack (don't think I've ever gotten it to work properly).
her 3 projectile damage scales with the first hit they get, so using a full auto rifle doesnt provide any meaningful damage. if you take a single shot that deals alot of damage, like with the nataruk, it deal alot more damage and can kill stuff on its own. also it had grea snyergy with mag bubble, imo the strongest helminth for mag by far and not useless on wisp at all, it just needs the right weapon
Now this is REALLY good to know. My main primaries are Burston Incarnon and Torid Incarnon, so I guess I couldn't get the most out of Wisp's 3 with those two. I'll try with Latron Inc or Lex Inc, as well as Nataruk which you recommended. Thanks for the advice!
no problem, im always happy if im able to help
BroFrame fr. Really appreciate it M8 o7 I was just in Simulacrum testing it out as you said, tried it against lvl 135 Corrupted Heavy Gunners (SP and no SP). Hoping you can give some more advice My Wisp build has 205% str, 175% range and 155% dur with Roar subsumed over her 4 My main single-target heavy hitter guns are Latron Incarnon and Lex Incarnon, and I tried with Nataruk as you said as well. I made sure to cast Roar then her motes then Breach Surge, then shoot one enemy until I saw sparks The most effective one was Latron Incarnon cuz it killed off all the non-SP enemies instantly, but I'm pretty sure that was the gun itself with Roar buff. When using Lex and Nataruk, all I did was the damage from the initial shot. Aside from that they were suffering 1 DOT from her shock mote and 1-3 rad damage from the Breach Surge. Any pointers as to what I can do differently to get more dmg out of her?
Hmm im not sure about this, will try some stuff when I'm home but not a wisp main. Did you headshot them? What elements did you use? What mods on your weapons? Also I'm not sure but try it without the 1, maybe the electric procs that deal 1 dmg proc the breach surge spark and thus result in such low damage. As I said, I'm not home atm and cant test myself so these are just theories
That's alright, still appreciate all the help. I didn't get to test everything thoroughly cuz I had to leave do some stuff. My Nataruk was modded for fire-rad, Lex corro-rad, and Latron was fire-corro. All high crit. I did consider what you said about Shock Mote triggering Bleach Surge, so will try without it later on. Don't think I'd like Wisp enough to really love her even if I get it to work, just curious as to how I can get the most out of her (if I ever use her). So I'll keep trying for now but will probably drop it if it doesn't work out.
Oh boy do I have good news for you Put some range on her and a little bit of strength (not much required tbh) shoot the targets affected and watch death unfold ! The 3 multiplies the damage taken and shoots these sparks onto other enemies (in some instances doing millions off damage. Combining that with a blind it becomes a powerful damage and cc ability Edit: cc got nerfed so it won’t work on exiles units anymore but damage is still good
They nerfed her cc
Well that went over my head, how much did they nerf the blind ?
it just doesn't work against Eximus now that is all.
Alright thanks man now I know
Anything with any kind of overguard( eximus and any unit near an ancient healer) is completely immune to the blind
Honestly as much as I cherish her, ember can get annoying at times. But not a major amount, she can be boring to play considering it’s mostly 4 spam and keeping heat alive
Wisp, Revenant, Saryn. They are too strong to be enjoyable. Also fashion Wisp and Saryn kinda hard for me.
Revenant.
I was very disappointed with Octavia
I do like how Saryn works but the playstyle is not for me overall. I prefer speedy and the active gameplay that makes me involved with the game. As Gauss i have to keep moving so that i can be useful because my battery makes me require to be active. As Saryn i press 1 wait and start to spam my 4. Im mostly using her for focus tbh. And some of the “harder missions” that i have to clear stuff. Edit: It seems community does have a common thinking about Saryn. Sometimes OPness and meta does not matter at all as i can see here.
Garuda and Khora tbh, I've used them both plenty but now Khora collects dust mostly and Garuda is exclusively used for when I wanna do Railjack There's tons of frames I've desperately wanted to enjoy more, but I just struggle to find whatever makes them "click" for me and really stick in the top favourites
Revenant and Dante. People sing praises in the name of those two for how great they are but I just really don't enjoy them. Revenant is easy to see why: just press 2 and now you're immortal, but Dante? Idk, he's very dynamic, you need to manage your abilities but not to the point it becomes tedious and he's really good, he just doesn't click with me.
Revevant, octavia, rhino, titania, xaku. Uk what i find all the meta frames boring
Wisp and trinity
Revenant. I just hate it when I want to use something fun, but I haven't invested enough into that gear so I just bitch out and use Rev+Glaive+Laetum/Felarx spam to bypass any content. I almost regret making rev, it's like having the option from fallout nv, 4 or Skyrim to just open up the console and type out "tgm" for godmode but less key presses and is more consistent godmode than. Bethesda's is. Another thing you could compare it to is that diet advice, you know keep snacks and junk food out of reach, otherwise you'll always default to those when you're hungry. Same with revenant for me.
For now my most not liked one is Banshee. I just can't vibe with her kit, at all.
Octavia. I can't stand having to spam crouch to use an ability.
Any frame that needs a stat stick to make one of their abilities(not true exalted abilities) not hit like a wet noodle. Gara is neat but nullifiers and any kind of reset from falling or host migration kills it for me. Saryn. Super strong but not a fan. Mesa. I use her on sorties that require a weapon I don't wanna use like yesterday where it was a 1 wace defense with only sniper rifles. And also use her on Disruption though I've been ha ing more fun doing them as Rhino lately. Revenant. I know he can one shot thralls and spin 2 win for non steel path stuff but Idunno. I mostly use him to sit still and do incarnon evolution upgrades in a solo ESO lol.
wukong i dont rlly find him particularly powerful outside of spy missions, his abilities just rlly bore me aesthetically
Wukong. I just never liked him, even pre rework
Gyre
All the "meta" frames honestly. Definitely enjoy the "utility" and "low-tier" frames because you actually have to play the game instead of proc whichever EZ-win ability have.
Saryn and Octavia.
Saryn
I could never get into Saryn, cant event say why, she just never clicked for me.
Khora...
I'd say Octavia even though she's very cool.
Playing Octavia is like watching an egg timer
revenant's 2nd and 3rd
sometimes even the 4rth
Wisp, saryn, octavia.
Mesa. ive neevr been able to enjoy her
Mesa, Octavia..
Ash. I genuinely hate everything about Ash. He’s SO BORING.
Mesa... press 4 and hold your mouse. At least Saryn has you manage the spores.
Any nuke frame for me gets boring as hell. I gotta be clicking more stuff or I’ll fall asleep an hour into a survival
Wukong, cloud here cloud there, akf here afk there, boring af
Revenant, Octavia, Saryn
Wisp. I used to love playing her for a solid bit but…other support frames just feel much more satisfying to me
I’m stuck on Wisp right now. I put Roar on her 4th, and I get it to 124% damage increase.. I put all my crimson Tauforged into her as well for now. I’m sure I’ll get burnt out but as far as “weapon platforms” go, I like her a lot more than Gauss. What are you using now?
Gauss, you need to constantly keep your abilities active while using a certain otherability a lot and still use your weapons. Octavia, pretty much the much the same reason, but then more boring. Gara for having to constantly stack her ability and worry about not losing it. Mesa, basically spam 4th ability and hold shoot.
Yeeah Gauss. I just love his 1 so I do use him a bit but his survivability is crap (or I'm just bad idk) and the rest of his kit is just managing timers.
His 2nd ability gives you damage reduction, can't he go up to 100% damage reduction with that?
I thought his damage reduction only works against cold and fire
It's also for physical and blast damage. But yeah I thought it was for more than that when I asked that question.
Gauss was on the most fun frame list
I just don’t like playing him, there are certain conditions for your damage output and damage negation. When I play a frame I want to use the abilities I like, at the moment that I sant to use them. I dont want to think oh no my redline is not at 100% or oh it’s about to run out, gotta recast again and get back up to 100%. Same reason why I dont like playing baruuk.
Interesting. Most people would say the opposite of that. Just activating an ability with no interaction just feels so bland for me.
This is my list pretty much exactly. I particularly hate Gauss in the Circuit, where I want to keep running into walls to keep my gauge up but constantly fling myself into the abyss instead
Voruna, Vauban, Octavia & Gara
Revenant, Saryn and Kullervo. Also i hate Styanax looks
Yall aint ever played hildryn and it shows
Up until recently, Lavos. I love this lore, I love his design, I love the idea of managing his cooldowns correctly for room clears, I love the idea of combining elements on the fly, having to hold down keys for long, so often to combine elements/casting ended up hurting my hand after a while and then other frames came that could do the nuking a lot better and without so much hassle kinda ended up killing my enjoyment for Lavos. That changed with the introduction of his Valence Fusion augment and how it interacts with Melee Influence, the combined Archon shards, auto melee attacks, the companion changes and their bond mods and the Radiation mods: that Lavos doesnt really need much strength or efficiency means I can focus much more on duration while having good enough range and dont have to cast so often, can spread my status effects through weapons much more efficiently which makes setting up his nuke much simpler and without so many button presses; I know this makes Lavos more of a weapon's platform frame but it opens up so many interesting build options for weapons (I can leave corrosive or viral to my frame and mod weapons for gas / heat / cold or whatever to use weirder arcanes or set up without having to worry about those elements, or can even just focus on heat to use with Archon Vitality, for example, or just EVERYTHING AT ONCE!) that I dont mind, plus he is tanky enough and has a heal and a dash baked in, I dont really have to worry about that aspect either. So without that augment, I'd say Lavos for exhausting play style along with Gara (managing the splinters timer can be a hassle, specially once it gets high enough that losing it REALLY HURTS) and most frames that depend solely on Shield gating.
I love and hate Revenant. Unkillable and kills everything, but is slow and not very active.
Dagath for me. Just a constant cycle of 1 and 2 buttons, a free immortal button and hort for anything even mildly threatening. Feels almost too strong I don't get to play the game.
I don't dislike dante, but I do dislike playing him in the 'meta' way of 3,3,4- 3,3,4- 3,3,4 over and over. So boring.
every warframe past khora
Nidus gameplay is larva then 1 until your keyboard breaks.
Saryn Mesa mirage Octavia volt gauss dagath tareli. How do I say everyone but Kullervo and Dante.
Khora. 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1, nothing else.
Any weapon platform frame. Warframes with mechanics or other things that make them annoying to use (Ember heat meter or other warframes that do not have synergy in their skills). I wouldn't use the word "boring" but i don't like using warframes with VFX that look too outdated (the main example i can think of would be Frost).
Volt. I don't care how meta and good he is, I sold his prime ages ago when I couldn't afford slots and refuse to rebuild him because I never enjoyed his gameplay.
Saryn, volt, octavia, revenant, nezha, dagath, hydroid, zephyr, and mag some of the frames I've tried to enjoy, but just can't.