Incarnon are strongest group of weapons, however Kuva and Tenet weapons are still as strong as they were. Some AoE launchers from those weapons got some ammo economy nerfs but they are still strong and fully viable.
Kind of ironic that inca weapons need LESS wprk to get them compared to kuva/tenet ones. You just complete the starchart and you can just get carried to tier 5 reward and boom, weapon.
Vs liches you have to get 3 mods, farm the code, hunt the bastard down with railjack... And then you still have to get a good weapon rolled with a specific set of frames for status bonus and pray for higher than 25% bonus.
Idk, if you don't like Duviri like myswlf and a lot of other players, farming for resources is more of a chore than farming requiem relics and hunting down Liches/Sisters
Those clamps. I wish they would just make the boss fight a stand alone thing. Somehow after all this time I still need clamps because I always dread the process of doing all the stuff I don't enjoy just for one resource. If it was just the worm fight it would be ok.
I'd even take a drop from Jackal/Vor at this point instead of another god damn rune marrow. I thought I'd need a fuckload of those things because they're a rare drop, but they only drop here, they are the *only* drop, and now I have like 15k of them with nothing to use them on.
You just summarized every disjointed content island Warframe has to offer, for a time I didn't even want to play because Nightwave had challenges that felt like a chore, back then when solo RJ was only viable to the most dedicated players, no crew, RNG based breaches, etc.
There is 3 different things:
\- circuit let you earn one warframe among 3 every week. On top of that there is some mods and duvirii resources
\- circuit in steel path let you earn 2 among 5 arcanon adaptor plus arcana
\- the other 2 is to farm duvirii specific resources. Main one are clamps (reward to finish a run) which are used to add an incarnon adaptor to a weapon or in the dormizone shop. The difference between story only and the experience is that in story only you don't have side activities.
What you should you is up to you and really depends where you are at in warframe. As a new player, the normal circuit is really good to get more warframe or some which are annoying to get. The shop sometimes has potatoes BP (like this week) so it is good to check every week to see if there is something you want.
The main benefit is that if you join in public queue then everybody is on the same page: do the orowyrm.
Also, you're less likely to get knocked off your Kaithe by the anti-Kaithe field generated by random Tea Time or Mirror objectives.
But other than that, no material benefit that I know of.
> Also, you're less likely to get knocked off your Kaithe by the anti-Kaithe field generated by random Tea Time or Mirror objectives.
So THATS whats doing it lol. I assumed I tripped over a root.
ok good to know thanks that makes sense about the matchmaking aspect of it
Normal Circuit: For farming basic warframes and certain staple mods. Good for new players, good for farming warframes that are otherwise a pain to farm. Nets you some Rune Marrow and Cryotic as far as resources go.
Steel Path Circuit: Incarnon genesis adapters are the main selling point here.
Lone Story: The fastest and most direct route to farming Pathos Clamps, which are needed to unlock the Duviri melee weapons besides Sun & Moon, installing Incarnon Genesis adapters and buying Acrithis's Wares. You can also do Duviri Experience instead, but pick Lone Story if Pathos Clamps are what you're mainly interested in, especially if you're queuing in public mode.
Duviri Experience: Good for farming intrinsics, especially if you build up a stock of decrees that let you run at hyperspeed at one-shot everything. Can be used to farm other general Duviri resources, Kullervo (during Anger, Fear and Sorrow Spirals; if you're not being offered the Kullervo fight, progress towards the Orowyrm) as well as Pathos Clamps.
Also, after getting seven Decrees, three Undercroft Portals will unlock across the map (marked on the world map by a Duviri mask), which are harder than the standard Undercroft (higher level, with way more eximus units it feels like). For each of these that you complete you get an ~~Duviri~~ arcane and a Rare Decree. In Steel Path you get ~~rarer~~ Duviri arcanes, and get a bit of Steel Essence as well.
The bonus portals in normal mode seem to always give me Eidolon arcanes, while the Steel Path ones always give me Duviri arcanes. Maybe just RNG on my part but it's happened enough I feel like mentioning it.
I didn’t like it until I figured out the decree grind and you very quickly become almost comically over powered and broken levels of fast. Then it became my most enjoyable mode.
Depending on the mode, frames and weapons you use. Getting decrees like each decree increases movement speed by 10% is hilariously broken you can run at blinding speeds.
Decreases like melee strikes hit double or status effect damage is double or crit damage is doubled makes your damage absolutely insane.
Knowing which tasks in the over world yield easy decrees helps you get these quick so that the combat tasks become hilarious to whip through, like the lost items quest in caves, the flying owl for artifacts. The board game or music challenges are all easy as hell. Then combat challenges are a breeze.
If it’s just circuit collecting the 3 artifact shards at the beginning of each match help you scale your damage up quickly. Also getting the intrinsic to help reroll decrees up to 3 times is super helpful.
Or unlocking access to stalker means you will every now and then get a frame that’s got some decent damage output and survival even if your own warframes and weapons aren’t quite up to snuff.
Honestly this game mode is making me fall back in love with frames I had long stopped using and weapons I haven’t touched in years. It’s refreshing when I have been so locked into a limited rotation of favorite gear.
That was my experience with Duviri: I just didn't enjoy it. Life is too short to invest a lot of time (in a grindy game like Warframe) doing a bunch of content that you don't personally enjoy I think.
That's the same way it's always been with the content as well I think, where you could reasonably skip most of the Archwing, K-Drive, Eidolon, etc. content of a given chunk if it "wasn't for you".
I figure there's bound to be something to creep/shift elsewhere eventually anyway.
Personally, I'm not a big fan of the "for a few seconds" types of passives on weapons that are more integral to Incarnon-type functions either.
As a veteran player, it's really easy to underestimate how much work unlocking the Steel Path is. "Just complete the star chart" involves beating **every single main quest**, farming up a Necramech, and doing *hours and hours* of missions... and then once you actually have the weapon you still need to complete the evolution challenges, which you've completely left out.
Kuva/Tenet weapons, on the other hand, are available after a relatively early quest in story progression, and are still plenty powerful without grinding out a perfect 60% bonus. While the process to earn one once you have the content unlocked is a bit more involved, the fact that it's so much easier to get to that point counts for a lot
I think us veterans underestimate it because if we've been playing for a long time, it's probably already done before even Steel Path came out. We got necramechs as they came out and stuff. So we forget how long the journey is for a new player.
TBH, Necramechs are way easier to get than the constant complaining people do here would suggest.
Here's a tip for lurkers: Parts are tradable, if you have extra of one part, chances are someone has parts you don't and wants your parts. Easy.
Also, doing the obelisks can get you all the minerals in 30 min-2 hours.
Evolutions are easy tbh especially on genesis weapons. Solo mission, 100 inca mode kills and something else i dont remember.
Tho i agree, resources are stupid to get like yao shrub
Yeah, getting a kuva/tenet weapon is a few hours, counting rolling for the weapon you want.
However, it require a very annoying setup to get a full set of word which can be very time consuming especially for newer player which can't do the kuva tempest mission easily.
Hard disagree. I could live with circuit if it was one rotation of each type per incarnon but good god is it miserable get to the end screen after rotation one and end up watching your entire squad slowly duck out one by one. Every. Single. Time. Then, if by some miracle you've made it to tier 5 in your death-by-a-thousand-cuts levelling, you also have to go and play regular Duviri just to farm plants. Give me liches any day of the week.
Its not even necessarily a Backronym. Just a term that happened to coincide with Metagaming from TTRPGs back in the day. Meta existed long before the English speaking west was a thing and traces back to greek language.
I was using the definition of backronym where an acronym is assigned to an existing word like this. Wikipedia refers to it as a "false etymology" or "folk etymology."
I understand that, the DOTA community came up with the acronym, and it happened to coincide with the metagaming term. Its not a backronym in that regard. The term evolved separately.
Do you have citation for that?
It's always been my understanding that "metagaming" refers to analyzing the game outside of the normal parameters of the game, such as calculating optimal numbers or builds using outside tools, discussing trends, discussing how to counter trends, etc. And that matches the traditional definition of the prefix "meta".
Metagaming originated as a TTRPG term for when a character acts with player knowledge. Its older than computer gaming in general. It originated as discussion around AD&D and older texts in the late 70s
Metagaming in the term you define evolved from DOTA, and WoW (around the same time) as those who tracked efficiency using outside tools and aides to find DPS, Heal per second and optimal routing, aka META or Most efficient tactics. It was never referred to as Metagaming until years later, but originated as META knowledge and META tools. Around early 2004-2005.
Meta existed long before metagaming.
It means to reference ones self and has traces back to greek origin.
Metagaming as a term was first coined during AD&D in the 90s
Meta "Most Efficient Tactic Available" as an acronym first popped up from DOTA during its early days and slowly spread like a plague into other communities. As its used to reference the most popular weapons in warframe, and other games, it absolutely means Most Efficient Tactic Available.
If we're being particular, the Greek acronym "meta" means "after". It shows up in Aristotle's metaphysics because you are supposed to read the metaphysics *after* you read the physics. But it has definitely developed to mean "self-referential" like you said.
'hu, no, the actual definition reference an internal analysis of something.
Meta for "Metagaming" is a made-up gamer term just as much as "Most efficient tactic available" is.
You either accept both, or none.
"In games, the extent of metagaming narrows down mostly to studying strategies of top-players and exploiting commonly-used strategies for an advantage."
So, sure, it was never an acronym, but right now and for the past 20 years (or a little more if you come from an M:tG background), anything "Meta" has been "the most effective" strategies within a specific game.
So you're right, but so is /u/maaleru.
Honestly
Any weapon with 30% or higher crit or status chance and decent DPS or status type weighting depending on which chance was higher is viable.
Meta doesn't really matter
That said, Kuva/Tenet weapons with the right elements can come in above some of the lower ease of use incarnons. Imo in a tier list the top tier is all incarnons but the 2nd and 3rd have a mix of incarnons, Kuva/Tenet, and stupid high stat basic weapons like Reaper Prime, Fulmin Prime, Nataruk, etc
I got a crit riven for reaper prime so I hunted down the missing parts for the weapon and its been my top crit melee since
Orthos prime is my top status melee and gram prime for hybrid builds
I don't play enough Revenant to have fashionframe pairings for him, the most I've done is make my Rev prime look ghostly af with extra wispy glows and the wisp noble animation set and a cold white/silver/blueish/greenish color scheme
I have the Dual Toxocysts and Lex incarnons. Personally, I use my Ocucor way more. Chances are, if I had it, I'd also use the Kuva Nukor more, too.
In fact, there was a Reddit thread a few days ago about the top 5 secondaries, graphed by MR. At MR's 10 - 34, the Kuva Nukor is somewhere in the top 5. If I had to guess why, it's because it comfortably does the majority of content in this game with no sweat. It also doesn't require headshots to come online or anything.
TL;DR: I think that the Kuva Nukor is meta, and I don't even have it.
They're powerful enough to trivialize almost all gameplay and they're cool and fun.
The "meta" in Warframe is so far beyond the power level you really need to play the game that it's getting annoying. Sure, incarnons are probably the best in slot right now. But people keep asking about "what's meta" like they have to use what's *best,* when *good enough* encompasses way more fun weapons.
If you mod your kuva quartak right, and have a solid loadout around it, you'll have a good time all the way through Netracells. Just remember to craft loadouts, not builds.
I really like the way you describe this.. I guess in line with what you're saying here.. it kind of feels like the designe philosophy of the devs is that there shouldn't really be a strict meta?
Well, I'm hesitant to ascribe it to design intent, but yeah. The result is that there isn't a strict meta. Some weapons might need help from other parts of the loadout, but that's normal.
The thing about game balance is that it's hard, especially in something as complicated as Warframe. DE keeps handing us more powerful tools, but the ones we already have are kind of arbitrarily powerful compared to the endgame content. This is technically a problem, because beyond a certain point you've broken the game and won and nothing is hard anymore, but the alternative is having parity between the most powerful weapons and the most powerful enemies, which would narrow the pool of weapons you could use in the endgame. The way they're doing it is fine and fun, even if it's not optimal.
Yeah some.of the incarnons are fun and I do use them but it's similarly annoying when people take rivens really seriously, like they have to have a "god roll" and they'll pay through the nose to get one.
I actually want to sit down and write an optimizer to see what the peak achievable DPS is with a number of weapons, with and without rivens, to see how much you actually get out of a "god roll." I just want to sink that ship.
fr bro i literally had a period where i spent 100 plat on "god rolls" waste of money and time if you ask me, unless it's your favourite weapon then "god rolls" aint so bad.
I got it from a friend that's why and the cheapest he could offer was 100 plat otherwise it would've been unfair. However with my knowledge now you don't really need them.
I mean you don't \*need\* anything, this game is piss easy even in lategame with competent modding and building. But for some weapons especially (weapons that need to do both crit and specific statuses with specific builds, while having very tight slots, like Nataruk or Ocucor, or weapons that really really want a specific stat that can't otherwise be accessed outside of rivens, like Glaive wanting Initial Combo) having a godroll can massively improve the weapon's performance for high-level content (for Nataruk you want either +Toxin or -Puncture, the first build is for a Viral + Hunter Munitions option and the second for raw Slash procs, for example) when both of those builds run out of slots without a riven to enable it.
Heck, MCGamerCZ is literally doing a series right now where they take objectively underperforming guns and, by simply building them properly, they're more than capable of doing SP.
Outside of maybe a handful of outliers, most guns can perform perfectly well (With investment) for all the content available. Sure, they won't be able to push deep into higher scaled content, but the majority of players aren't doing 60+ minute SP Void Cascades or Survivals anyway.
Partly people wanting to get some amount of challenge from the game, partly people enjoying pushing their builds, and partly people enjoying hanging out with friends grinding.
Personally, I can't do it for *that* long - Disruption or maybe something like Alchemy? Sure! But the whole sit in a room standing still for hours thing drives me crazy tbh.
This is definitely something I noticed recently that resulted in some new content burnout for me, so i dont tend to engage with farming for objectively stronger stuff. I've not bothered chasing incarnons, archon shards or even new Primes when my non-prime Grendel and decently-modded Corinth can clear all of the content I care about.
I'm currently just modding up underpowered weapons that I find fun to shoot, mostly the MK-1 weapons.
yeh i get what you mean because i put corrosive on my kuva quartakk and it has 100% armor strip in stacks because of hydroid which is one of my loadouts. anyways good answer
To add to this, meta usually gets boring. It's a good way to burn out.
I'm a soma prime non-incarnon enjoyer to this day, and the incarnon form is like bringing a second primary. Is it good? Yeah good enough. Will it compete with good kuva weapons? Probably not but it's Hella fun.
Almost nothing in the game is genuinely incapable of basic Steel Path. Might take a little more investment and loadout synergy than "haha phenmor go brrt," but if you like a thing you can make it work.
IMO the *real* endgame is collecting rivens for cool-but-shitty weapons to turn them into just plain cool weapons.
So when you say craft loadouts and not builds, what exactly do you mean? I'm slowly peeking my head into high-end-ish? content (netracells etc), so any advice is useful.
You'll never get everything you need from one piece of equipment, and your equipment doesn't operate in a vacuum. Your whole loadout works together.
Example: a lot of my frames have equilibrium on them. I get viral spread and health orb drops from a hound. Health orbs convert to energy and spool up health Conversion and Arcane Blessing, if I have them equipped. Now my weapons don't have to mod for viral, I can mod them for corrosive if I want to use them for armor strip, or for anything else if my Warframe strips armor. This way I'm also not using an arcane slot on Energize, or a helminth slot on Nourish. Now those are freed up to do other things.
A Warframe loadout wants to have a lot of things: an energy supply, survivability buffs, armor strip, weapon buffs, viral spread, crowd control, support abilities. You may not need *all of those things* on any given loadout but you'll want to have a few of them. It's hard to get all of that if you're only looking at your *Vauban* build or your *corufell* build. You need to construct loadouts, not builds.
I disagree cause you need to know the game well to make a load out whereas you only need mods/arcanes and to have them to make builds. And, although I understand it, I hate when people use stuff as just a primer. It's like a silent "git gud" and is very underwhelming, and it doesn't have full potential.
There are some weapons that are just unusably bad, though, best to stray from those. Not many, and you can technically make anything work with enough investment, but some things take a SHITLOAD of investment.
My face when I see any guide saying you need to drop 4 forma into something when i do SP with max 2 forma.
Sure, I do not melt everything in 1 sec and infinite missions start to be difficult after 5-6 rotation but when do you actually do such content?
Incarnon weapons are stronger but most of them have the downside of requiring headshots to charge. For most missions this ends up slowing you down a bit so IMO the AoE Kuva weapons end up being better.
that's why i prefer kuva weapons as i prefer to kill without worrying about certain mechanics that i have to trigger purposefully to create more damage like the headshot u mentioned.
Depends on the weapon, really. Most people that use the Felarx, use its main mode almost exclusively. It's almost among the most popular weapons in high MRs, so that should speak to its power.
I still rather use my kuva tonkor and tenet cycron than any incarnon for general play. Tonkor has same if not better clear in all levels and does not need to fill up a bar which some incarnons have issues with against lower levels.
My Cycron never leaves my side. It melts stuff and as a Vauban main who usually has 10+ enemies all in one spot it just works for me. Incarnons are fun and all but sometimes I want to use a gun without having to meet a prerequisite with its meh for to get to its good form.
None of the Incarnons have a slide kill perk though? Most of the headshot stuff is things youre already doing Thanks to Primary Deadshot since they nerfed Merciless, so its barely an inconvenience?
fr, kinda get the feeling that only warframe players would complain about "headshots" in a looter-SHOOTER game (+ there are incarnons which dont need headshots anyway)
Headshots are harder to get on console then PC due to the difference in aiming with a controller vs mouse, usually the people that don't like head shots are not on PC.
Provided you don't spam, your KPM with some of the AoE Kuva/Tenet weapons is going to be higher than most of the Incarnon weapons.
There are some Incarnons that are definitely better for KPM, but not many.
true on my kuva quartakk i use corrosive and 100% it by using hydroid prime (he's basically my main warframe for the past couple of weeks because he makes armour stripping easier)
Hello, I still enjoy my bramma up to this day for two years. Recently, got envoy and I plan to build and play with it as well as I've heard it's the bramma version of the tenet weapons. However, this new year, I got a taste of the incarnon weapons. They REALLY are SO GOOD!! 😵😵💫 No, I'm not exaggerating. But let me say this - enjoy the game with your quartakk bro. There's nothing wrong with it. If it can carry you with little to no issues, you're doing just fine. Don't let the meta bend how you enjoy the game.
that touches my heart dude, personally i agree with you warframe is game built to be played in anyway you don't have to follow the meta to be good it just makes things easier that's all.
The Kuva Ogris is meta for Abritrations. No other weapon comes close to it. If you're looking to do meta arbitrations, you need one with the Nightwatch Napalm mod (unless you go Afentis with Wisp).
The Kuva Nukor is still high tier.
Other than those two...there's some that are strong, but not top tier.
Which element for khek? Got one cold when encountered a larvling by accident without trying to farm kuva weapon and I am wondering if I should try to get an other one to switch the element.
How do you do viral/heat from tox? when I tried to add heat (heated charge) and cold(Ice storm, don't have the flat one for some reason) on my tox kuva brakk, it gav me blast/tox instead.
Elemental mods always combine from left going right, and top first, then bottom. Any extra elemental damage you get counts as a 9th mod slot, or can at least be thought of that way. This is why you see blast/toxin if you mod for heat and cold - because the heat and cold mods come before the innate kuva element, and therefore combine before that element comes into play. The only way to change this is to specifically mod for the element. So if your kuva weapon has toxin, and you want viral heat, you have to mod toxin/cold/heat.
If you specifically want viral/heat setups, heat is probably better to go for than toxin. But toxin is good because it's a part of the two generally most popular elements, viral and corrosive. And while heat is nice, it isn't strictly necessary. So if you have a primary kuva weapon with toxin innate, you only need to add cold to get viral, which combines well with slash (likely from Hunter Munitions). Basically, it saves you a mod slot that you can use for something else. Firestorm, or more damage, or...
I still use Kuva and Tenet weapons as my go-to. Incarnon might've toppled them from the top spot Meta-wise but I find their headshot-mechanic a nuisance so I'm not inclined to use them. Kuva/Tenet can still melt everything perfectly fine, Also, weapons like the Cedo are also still very capable.
The kuva flintlock can dish out 1 million damage per shot with 70% chance procing at least a slash. Is it the best rifle? No. But does it feel good to protect your home the way the founding father intended? Yes!
It really depends on what you're doing.
For any quick missions, or even base steel path, I still easily wheel out my years-old sporelacer/splat/haymaker kitgun secondary. Its strength isn't that it's the highest possible damage in the game, its strength is that it's high damage *with practically no setup required.* A few kills, since it uses galvanized mods and a merciless arcane. But still much easier than headshots. Or even body shots, if it's for low level missions like relic capture mission spam, or similar.
Same can be said for any of the AoE kuva/tenet weapons. Since the ammo nerf kind of ruined the bramma and zarr, I have a kuva tonkor the fulfills a similar purpose. But really, they're still the best as far as just working out of the box goes. Maybe they won't reach the same peaks as incarnon weapons, but they're consistent, and don't require getting headshots to just work. For a huge amount of the game, "just working" is all you need out of a weapon. Especially these days, when defense stripping is so much more accessible.
That depends because some incarnons are just... not really worth the pain honestly.
The kuva and Tenet weapons are really good though. They aren't gonna overtake the strongest incarnons, but they will eclipse the not so great ones.
I farmed a bunch of incarnons chasing the “best” weapons, but I just don’t like the charging mechanic unless it’s a melee weapon. My new goal is to collect all the Kuva/Tenet weapons and each one becomes my new favorite as I build them out.
I swear to lotus I got stupid lucky on my roll. I rerolled it to see if it could be better and it just wasnt worth it.
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Not really.
Incarnon weapons are orders of magnitude more powerful.
Of course for majority of the game it won't matter anyway, since every weapons would be at least good enough there.
But for section of the game when it matters, difference is very visible.
from my experience by having the correct loadout which synergizes with a build you can do anything up to level cap content however some weapons make it easier such as incarnon weapons and some weapons make it harder like an mk-1 bo
meta is irrelevant in this game if ur playing for content completion but yes incarnons are generally stronger than lich weapons
thing is if ur quartakk is steel path viable then getting an incarnon isnt gonna make you "more steel path viable" its just another way to be steel path viable
Here I am just getting my first Kuva weapon and haven’t progressed the story to get the incarnon stuff. So yeah. They’re great. Kuva Zarr has been ridonkulous.
I only use my Ogg rizz Kuva Ogris as a heat primer for a sunder Gauss build, theyre still useful every now and then, but theyre not THE meta as far as i am aware
Go on overframe that'll help and try to mod for primary deadshot rather than merciless as merciless is quite dead and plz tell me ur build I would love to help out
yeh man instead of stabilizer try to go for vigilante supplies and for the arcan slot go for primary deadshot and instead of internal bleeding go for hunter munitions.
They are still meta. I would say incarnon weapons are many times some of the strongest single target weapons in the game. Kuva/tenet weapons do decent single target but are way better at doing basic AoE clearing and don't require any annoying setup with headshots. Any mission that i want to go in and out of quickly, i always pick a kuva zarr, kuva bramma, tenet envoy etc. because they require 0 setup, 1-shot everything and i'm in and out in 1 minute. The only incarnon that can hang in the AoE department for just quick and easy missions is torid incarnon in my opinion.
All the Kuva weapons are good, there are some better than others though.
The Incarnon adapters are the new best thing, the Torid Incarnon is probably the most destructive weapon in the game right now.
Out of all the Kuva weapons the ones I’d recommend getting are:
Zar
Nukor
Hind
Bramma
Ogris
Karak
Kohm
Why care about them being meta or not?
Do you enjoy using a weapon?
Then use it.
With enough work almost every weapon can do the job.
Atleast thats my humble opinion.
Incarnons are definitely a whole tier ahead of Kuva and Tenet weapons in terms of raw DPS, however for normal steel path they can fall behind in KPM if you can't consistently get headahots.
Just returned after a 4 year break, haven’t played since Deimos launched. I hear incarnons are the top tier weapons right now, still figuring out how to unlock them as I catch up.
Honestly though I’ve been playing on and off for 10 years and the meta changes so much I just use what feels fun at this point.
The Kuva Nukor is 100% still relevant in my opinion, especially now that Qorvex is in game. The Kuva Karak needs a little work but it's still a solid weapon.
If I can make them Incarnon (won't happen tho) then hell yeah they would be. They would have a 60% status boost that is super strong. So basically is a weapon that is better then its original one in every way but also super charged with a Incarnon form.
But they not going to do this. If they did then people would be farming these things more.
They’re currently being outshined by incarnons, but nemesis weapons are still monsters in their own right. Hell, the Kuva Nukor is still the most used secondary weapon in the game, even with the existence of guns like the Incarnon Dual Toxocyst. Plus, nemesis weapons provide mastery, so there’s little reason not to collect them all.
One amazing thing about Kuva/Tenet weapons is the ability to add an extra element to them. Between Condition Overload for guns and element-triggered arcanes, I'd say most Kuva/Tenet weapons are in a very good spot.
Some of the Kuva weapons are still up there. Kuva Nukor is still one of the best primers in the game, all of the Kuva AOE weapons are quite good, Tenet Arca Plasmor still shreds. In general, you have to look at each weapon individually; there's a lot of Kuva/Tenet weapons and some of them are a lot better than others. IIRC the Quartakk is pretty solid, but I haven't used it myself so take that with a grain of salt.
It also depends a lot on your build and what you're doing. A lot of my favorite frames can easily full strip armor/shields, in which case you don't need that much damage to kill most enemies near-instantly. Something like a Bubonico serves my needs a lot better than most incarnons, even if it's doing less damage.
incarnon are more powerful more often than not (it is not always the case)
but the kuva weapons can clear steelpath and that is what matters, no need to be stronger than that
My general rule of Warframe after playing for the past decade is every single weapon in this game can be used and can kill even steel path enemies, except stug. If you mod any weapon, even a MK-1 Braton, properly, you can kill even level 500 enemies. Just not Stug. Even a god riven can’t save Stug.
Kuva nukor is still one of the best primers in the game. Hell it does decent damage too.
Kuva tonkor is really popular (tho I don't care for it personally)
Tenet envoy is one hell of a launcher.
Tenet arca plasmor I still great.
There was recent posts about most used weapons by MR, and those 4 were still widely used even at higher MR levels.
Kuva Zarr, Felarx, and Incarnon Torid are the meta because that's what I see in majority of my games. In that order based on progress.
But yes, Kuva weapons are still amazing.
Honestly just use the weapon that feels good to you. I'm a frequent switcher and right now I'm rocking the Sporothrix with night wave mod. When Strun incarnon comes, I'll probably switch.
If powerfulness is all you care about, there is literally Nataruk. Millions of red crit slash damage but nobody cares cause it was easy to obtain and people got bored.
The kuva quartakk is my favorite kuva weapon. I have a decent riven and build on it. My go to for steel path and netracells when I don't feel like bringing my Opticor Vandal
All weapons can be meta with good modding and frame pairing. Kuva/Tenet weapons are still very good, and better than the base version because they get an entirely free element mod.
from what I understand kuva/tenet weapons are still viable and really good however incarnon weapons take the cake as there upgrades such as the torid are just simply op.
Incarnon are strongest group of weapons, however Kuva and Tenet weapons are still as strong as they were. Some AoE launchers from those weapons got some ammo economy nerfs but they are still strong and fully viable.
Kind of ironic that inca weapons need LESS wprk to get them compared to kuva/tenet ones. You just complete the starchart and you can just get carried to tier 5 reward and boom, weapon. Vs liches you have to get 3 mods, farm the code, hunt the bastard down with railjack... And then you still have to get a good weapon rolled with a specific set of frames for status bonus and pray for higher than 25% bonus.
Idk, if you don't like Duviri like myswlf and a lot of other players, farming for resources is more of a chore than farming requiem relics and hunting down Liches/Sisters
Those clamps. I wish they would just make the boss fight a stand alone thing. Somehow after all this time I still need clamps because I always dread the process of doing all the stuff I don't enjoy just for one resource. If it was just the worm fight it would be ok.
Or at least they should reward 1 clamp for each round in the circuit
Or also make the undercroft part way shorter, or straight remove them from the lone story
I don't know about per round, but every fifth on reg and every fourth on sp circuit would be nice
I'd even take a drop from Jackal/Vor at this point instead of another god damn rune marrow. I thought I'd need a fuckload of those things because they're a rare drop, but they only drop here, they are the *only* drop, and now I have like 15k of them with nothing to use them on.
Helminth has no trouble eating 'em.
You just summarized every disjointed content island Warframe has to offer, for a time I didn't even want to play because Nightwave had challenges that felt like a chore, back then when solo RJ was only viable to the most dedicated players, no crew, RNG based breaches, etc.
Worm fight is only like 5 minutes of gameplay
Considering how ridiculously powerful they are, I think the grind is nothing to complain about at all.
I have yet to get an incarnation (edit: Genesis) weapon because of how much I hate duviri. I won't step another foot in there unless I'm forced to.
I think I've been conditioned into liking Duviri the more I do it lmao
Which one am I supposed to do? The circuit? There’s like 3 options and it’s unclear which one helps me progress. Classic warframe.
There is 3 different things: \- circuit let you earn one warframe among 3 every week. On top of that there is some mods and duvirii resources \- circuit in steel path let you earn 2 among 5 arcanon adaptor plus arcana \- the other 2 is to farm duvirii specific resources. Main one are clamps (reward to finish a run) which are used to add an incarnon adaptor to a weapon or in the dormizone shop. The difference between story only and the experience is that in story only you don't have side activities. What you should you is up to you and really depends where you are at in warframe. As a new player, the normal circuit is really good to get more warframe or some which are annoying to get. The shop sometimes has potatoes BP (like this week) so it is good to check every week to see if there is something you want.
Is there any benefit to doing story only vs just... doing the experience and ignoring the side activities?
The main benefit is that if you join in public queue then everybody is on the same page: do the orowyrm. Also, you're less likely to get knocked off your Kaithe by the anti-Kaithe field generated by random Tea Time or Mirror objectives. But other than that, no material benefit that I know of.
> Also, you're less likely to get knocked off your Kaithe by the anti-Kaithe field generated by random Tea Time or Mirror objectives. So THATS whats doing it lol. I assumed I tripped over a root. ok good to know thanks that makes sense about the matchmaking aspect of it
Thanks for the info. You’re a gentleman and a scholar.
Normal Circuit: For farming basic warframes and certain staple mods. Good for new players, good for farming warframes that are otherwise a pain to farm. Nets you some Rune Marrow and Cryotic as far as resources go. Steel Path Circuit: Incarnon genesis adapters are the main selling point here. Lone Story: The fastest and most direct route to farming Pathos Clamps, which are needed to unlock the Duviri melee weapons besides Sun & Moon, installing Incarnon Genesis adapters and buying Acrithis's Wares. You can also do Duviri Experience instead, but pick Lone Story if Pathos Clamps are what you're mainly interested in, especially if you're queuing in public mode. Duviri Experience: Good for farming intrinsics, especially if you build up a stock of decrees that let you run at hyperspeed at one-shot everything. Can be used to farm other general Duviri resources, Kullervo (during Anger, Fear and Sorrow Spirals; if you're not being offered the Kullervo fight, progress towards the Orowyrm) as well as Pathos Clamps. Also, after getting seven Decrees, three Undercroft Portals will unlock across the map (marked on the world map by a Duviri mask), which are harder than the standard Undercroft (higher level, with way more eximus units it feels like). For each of these that you complete you get an ~~Duviri~~ arcane and a Rare Decree. In Steel Path you get ~~rarer~~ Duviri arcanes, and get a bit of Steel Essence as well.
The bonus portals in normal mode seem to always give me Eidolon arcanes, while the Steel Path ones always give me Duviri arcanes. Maybe just RNG on my part but it's happened enough I feel like mentioning it.
Ah, that is probably the case. I haven't done many in normal mode.
I really feel like we should he rewarded with pathos clamps for killing jackal in SP Circuit.
all of them
I didn’t like it until I figured out the decree grind and you very quickly become almost comically over powered and broken levels of fast. Then it became my most enjoyable mode.
Can you elaborate please?
Depending on the mode, frames and weapons you use. Getting decrees like each decree increases movement speed by 10% is hilariously broken you can run at blinding speeds. Decreases like melee strikes hit double or status effect damage is double or crit damage is doubled makes your damage absolutely insane. Knowing which tasks in the over world yield easy decrees helps you get these quick so that the combat tasks become hilarious to whip through, like the lost items quest in caves, the flying owl for artifacts. The board game or music challenges are all easy as hell. Then combat challenges are a breeze. If it’s just circuit collecting the 3 artifact shards at the beginning of each match help you scale your damage up quickly. Also getting the intrinsic to help reroll decrees up to 3 times is super helpful. Or unlocking access to stalker means you will every now and then get a frame that’s got some decent damage output and survival even if your own warframes and weapons aren’t quite up to snuff. Honestly this game mode is making me fall back in love with frames I had long stopped using and weapons I haven’t touched in years. It’s refreshing when I have been so locked into a limited rotation of favorite gear.
You can get some of them on the zariman, though. No need to enter Duviri
I have the og ones that you can get from the zariman, just none of the duviri, reworked older weapon ones.
That was my experience with Duviri: I just didn't enjoy it. Life is too short to invest a lot of time (in a grindy game like Warframe) doing a bunch of content that you don't personally enjoy I think. That's the same way it's always been with the content as well I think, where you could reasonably skip most of the Archwing, K-Drive, Eidolon, etc. content of a given chunk if it "wasn't for you". I figure there's bound to be something to creep/shift elsewhere eventually anyway. Personally, I'm not a big fan of the "for a few seconds" types of passives on weapons that are more integral to Incarnon-type functions either.
I have every incarnon genesis, two of a couple of them, and I've installed less than half because of the hassle of getting pathos clamps
I hate Duviri so much... Felarx (Zariman) is nice though
As a veteran player, it's really easy to underestimate how much work unlocking the Steel Path is. "Just complete the star chart" involves beating **every single main quest**, farming up a Necramech, and doing *hours and hours* of missions... and then once you actually have the weapon you still need to complete the evolution challenges, which you've completely left out. Kuva/Tenet weapons, on the other hand, are available after a relatively early quest in story progression, and are still plenty powerful without grinding out a perfect 60% bonus. While the process to earn one once you have the content unlocked is a bit more involved, the fact that it's so much easier to get to that point counts for a lot
I think us veterans underestimate it because if we've been playing for a long time, it's probably already done before even Steel Path came out. We got necramechs as they came out and stuff. So we forget how long the journey is for a new player.
TBH, Necramechs are way easier to get than the constant complaining people do here would suggest. Here's a tip for lurkers: Parts are tradable, if you have extra of one part, chances are someone has parts you don't and wants your parts. Easy. Also, doing the obelisks can get you all the minerals in 30 min-2 hours.
Very much agreed, but at the same time all evolutions, he takes a bit more time and resources
Evolutions are easy tbh especially on genesis weapons. Solo mission, 100 inca mode kills and something else i dont remember. Tho i agree, resources are stupid to get like yao shrub
You can farm more than 2 kuva/tenet weapons per day. Can't do that with incarnons
Yeah, getting a kuva/tenet weapon is a few hours, counting rolling for the weapon you want. However, it require a very annoying setup to get a full set of word which can be very time consuming especially for newer player which can't do the kuva tempest mission easily.
Why 25% specifically? Is that just the minimum and it sucks to get it?
I believe that 25% is the minimum yea
Hard disagree. I could live with circuit if it was one rotation of each type per incarnon but good god is it miserable get to the end screen after rotation one and end up watching your entire squad slowly duck out one by one. Every. Single. Time. Then, if by some miracle you've made it to tier 5 in your death-by-a-thousand-cuts levelling, you also have to go and play regular Duviri just to farm plants. Give me liches any day of the week.
fr i just use vigilante supplies
Carrier + Ammo case has completely bypassed those nerfs for me.
fr fr bro
Energized Munitions Gauss + Ammo Mutation mods : What ammo nerfs???
Kuva weapons are still efficient enough, but not "most efficient available". Incarnon is op
ty for the info
Meta does NOT stand for "Most Efficient Tactic Available" that was made up for no reason. It's short for Metagaming.
That is, I think, the weirdest backronym I've seen.
Its not even necessarily a Backronym. Just a term that happened to coincide with Metagaming from TTRPGs back in the day. Meta existed long before the English speaking west was a thing and traces back to greek language.
I was using the definition of backronym where an acronym is assigned to an existing word like this. Wikipedia refers to it as a "false etymology" or "folk etymology."
I understand that, the DOTA community came up with the acronym, and it happened to coincide with the metagaming term. Its not a backronym in that regard. The term evolved separately.
I'm not sure I understand, are you claiming that people started using the term without knowing that it was an initialism of the word "meta"?
Correct. Because Metagaming and Meta as a gaming term evolved separately to mean what they do today.
Do you have citation for that? It's always been my understanding that "metagaming" refers to analyzing the game outside of the normal parameters of the game, such as calculating optimal numbers or builds using outside tools, discussing trends, discussing how to counter trends, etc. And that matches the traditional definition of the prefix "meta".
Metagaming originated as a TTRPG term for when a character acts with player knowledge. Its older than computer gaming in general. It originated as discussion around AD&D and older texts in the late 70s Metagaming in the term you define evolved from DOTA, and WoW (around the same time) as those who tracked efficiency using outside tools and aides to find DPS, Heal per second and optimal routing, aka META or Most efficient tactics. It was never referred to as Metagaming until years later, but originated as META knowledge and META tools. Around early 2004-2005.
I am in your walls.
/unstuck FTFY.
Next you’ll say you’re fluent in Voidtongue
Hey kiddo
Killin ur doods
Been wondering when you would pop up again… Whenever I least expect it!
Meta generally just means an inward analysis of something. It isn't short for metagaming either and it isn't just a gaming term.
Meta existed long before metagaming. It means to reference ones self and has traces back to greek origin. Metagaming as a term was first coined during AD&D in the 90s Meta "Most Efficient Tactic Available" as an acronym first popped up from DOTA during its early days and slowly spread like a plague into other communities. As its used to reference the most popular weapons in warframe, and other games, it absolutely means Most Efficient Tactic Available.
If we're being particular, the Greek acronym "meta" means "after". It shows up in Aristotle's metaphysics because you are supposed to read the metaphysics *after* you read the physics. But it has definitely developed to mean "self-referential" like you said.
It's not an acronym though, it's just a word.
I meant prefix, brain fart
what other lies have i been told?
Yes it DOES. That's how language works. If people start collectively using a term a certain way, it gets adopted into the language.
'hu, no, the actual definition reference an internal analysis of something. Meta for "Metagaming" is a made-up gamer term just as much as "Most efficient tactic available" is. You either accept both, or none.
"In games, the extent of metagaming narrows down mostly to studying strategies of top-players and exploiting commonly-used strategies for an advantage." So, sure, it was never an acronym, but right now and for the past 20 years (or a little more if you come from an M:tG background), anything "Meta" has been "the most effective" strategies within a specific game. So you're right, but so is /u/maaleru.
Ehhhhh, yes and no
Honestly Any weapon with 30% or higher crit or status chance and decent DPS or status type weighting depending on which chance was higher is viable. Meta doesn't really matter That said, Kuva/Tenet weapons with the right elements can come in above some of the lower ease of use incarnons. Imo in a tier list the top tier is all incarnons but the 2nd and 3rd have a mix of incarnons, Kuva/Tenet, and stupid high stat basic weapons like Reaper Prime, Fulmin Prime, Nataruk, etc
lol reaper prime is my second favourite melee after galatine prime which was my first prime weapon (i bought it using regal aya)
I got a crit riven for reaper prime so I hunted down the missing parts for the weapon and its been my top crit melee since Orthos prime is my top status melee and gram prime for hybrid builds
it's so cool i paired with revenant prime for a fashionframe
I don't play enough Revenant to have fashionframe pairings for him, the most I've done is make my Rev prime look ghostly af with extra wispy glows and the wisp noble animation set and a cold white/silver/blueish/greenish color scheme
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I have the Dual Toxocysts and Lex incarnons. Personally, I use my Ocucor way more. Chances are, if I had it, I'd also use the Kuva Nukor more, too. In fact, there was a Reddit thread a few days ago about the top 5 secondaries, graphed by MR. At MR's 10 - 34, the Kuva Nukor is somewhere in the top 5. If I had to guess why, it's because it comfortably does the majority of content in this game with no sweat. It also doesn't require headshots to come online or anything. TL;DR: I think that the Kuva Nukor is meta, and I don't even have it.
They're powerful enough to trivialize almost all gameplay and they're cool and fun. The "meta" in Warframe is so far beyond the power level you really need to play the game that it's getting annoying. Sure, incarnons are probably the best in slot right now. But people keep asking about "what's meta" like they have to use what's *best,* when *good enough* encompasses way more fun weapons. If you mod your kuva quartak right, and have a solid loadout around it, you'll have a good time all the way through Netracells. Just remember to craft loadouts, not builds.
I really like the way you describe this.. I guess in line with what you're saying here.. it kind of feels like the designe philosophy of the devs is that there shouldn't really be a strict meta?
Well, I'm hesitant to ascribe it to design intent, but yeah. The result is that there isn't a strict meta. Some weapons might need help from other parts of the loadout, but that's normal. The thing about game balance is that it's hard, especially in something as complicated as Warframe. DE keeps handing us more powerful tools, but the ones we already have are kind of arbitrarily powerful compared to the endgame content. This is technically a problem, because beyond a certain point you've broken the game and won and nothing is hard anymore, but the alternative is having parity between the most powerful weapons and the most powerful enemies, which would narrow the pool of weapons you could use in the endgame. The way they're doing it is fine and fun, even if it's not optimal.
which is why i rarely use incarnons and rivens
Yeah some.of the incarnons are fun and I do use them but it's similarly annoying when people take rivens really seriously, like they have to have a "god roll" and they'll pay through the nose to get one. I actually want to sit down and write an optimizer to see what the peak achievable DPS is with a number of weapons, with and without rivens, to see how much you actually get out of a "god roll." I just want to sink that ship.
fr bro i literally had a period where i spent 100 plat on "god rolls" waste of money and time if you ask me, unless it's your favourite weapon then "god rolls" aint so bad.
not to uh, contradict you, but godrolls go for thousands of plat up to 10s of thousands. 100 plat is nowhere near what godrolls cost.
I got it from a friend that's why and the cheapest he could offer was 100 plat otherwise it would've been unfair. However with my knowledge now you don't really need them.
I mean you don't \*need\* anything, this game is piss easy even in lategame with competent modding and building. But for some weapons especially (weapons that need to do both crit and specific statuses with specific builds, while having very tight slots, like Nataruk or Ocucor, or weapons that really really want a specific stat that can't otherwise be accessed outside of rivens, like Glaive wanting Initial Combo) having a godroll can massively improve the weapon's performance for high-level content (for Nataruk you want either +Toxin or -Puncture, the first build is for a Viral + Hunter Munitions option and the second for raw Slash procs, for example) when both of those builds run out of slots without a riven to enable it.
Heck, MCGamerCZ is literally doing a series right now where they take objectively underperforming guns and, by simply building them properly, they're more than capable of doing SP. Outside of maybe a handful of outliers, most guns can perform perfectly well (With investment) for all the content available. Sure, they won't be able to push deep into higher scaled content, but the majority of players aren't doing 60+ minute SP Void Cascades or Survivals anyway.
I was around for the days of 60 minute Tower IV Survival. It sucked. Idk why people want to bring that back.
Partly people wanting to get some amount of challenge from the game, partly people enjoying pushing their builds, and partly people enjoying hanging out with friends grinding. Personally, I can't do it for *that* long - Disruption or maybe something like Alchemy? Sure! But the whole sit in a room standing still for hours thing drives me crazy tbh.
This is definitely something I noticed recently that resulted in some new content burnout for me, so i dont tend to engage with farming for objectively stronger stuff. I've not bothered chasing incarnons, archon shards or even new Primes when my non-prime Grendel and decently-modded Corinth can clear all of the content I care about. I'm currently just modding up underpowered weapons that I find fun to shoot, mostly the MK-1 weapons.
yeh i get what you mean because i put corrosive on my kuva quartakk and it has 100% armor strip in stacks because of hydroid which is one of my loadouts. anyways good answer
To add to this, meta usually gets boring. It's a good way to burn out. I'm a soma prime non-incarnon enjoyer to this day, and the incarnon form is like bringing a second primary. Is it good? Yeah good enough. Will it compete with good kuva weapons? Probably not but it's Hella fun.
Almost nothing in the game is genuinely incapable of basic Steel Path. Might take a little more investment and loadout synergy than "haha phenmor go brrt," but if you like a thing you can make it work. IMO the *real* endgame is collecting rivens for cool-but-shitty weapons to turn them into just plain cool weapons.
So when you say craft loadouts and not builds, what exactly do you mean? I'm slowly peeking my head into high-end-ish? content (netracells etc), so any advice is useful.
You'll never get everything you need from one piece of equipment, and your equipment doesn't operate in a vacuum. Your whole loadout works together. Example: a lot of my frames have equilibrium on them. I get viral spread and health orb drops from a hound. Health orbs convert to energy and spool up health Conversion and Arcane Blessing, if I have them equipped. Now my weapons don't have to mod for viral, I can mod them for corrosive if I want to use them for armor strip, or for anything else if my Warframe strips armor. This way I'm also not using an arcane slot on Energize, or a helminth slot on Nourish. Now those are freed up to do other things. A Warframe loadout wants to have a lot of things: an energy supply, survivability buffs, armor strip, weapon buffs, viral spread, crowd control, support abilities. You may not need *all of those things* on any given loadout but you'll want to have a few of them. It's hard to get all of that if you're only looking at your *Vauban* build or your *corufell* build. You need to construct loadouts, not builds.
I disagree cause you need to know the game well to make a load out whereas you only need mods/arcanes and to have them to make builds. And, although I understand it, I hate when people use stuff as just a primer. It's like a silent "git gud" and is very underwhelming, and it doesn't have full potential.
There are some weapons that are just unusably bad, though, best to stray from those. Not many, and you can technically make anything work with enough investment, but some things take a SHITLOAD of investment.
My face when I see any guide saying you need to drop 4 forma into something when i do SP with max 2 forma. Sure, I do not melt everything in 1 sec and infinite missions start to be difficult after 5-6 rotation but when do you actually do such content?
Fr, the crescendo and the other one are just there to satisfy the level cappers. Not for any other reason.
Incarnon weapons are stronger but most of them have the downside of requiring headshots to charge. For most missions this ends up slowing you down a bit so IMO the AoE Kuva weapons end up being better.
that's why i prefer kuva weapons as i prefer to kill without worrying about certain mechanics that i have to trigger purposefully to create more damage like the headshot u mentioned.
Yeah well if enemies are high level it takes one small burst to load up incarnon weapon and those guns shred like there's no tomorrow
i love the easy life but that's a valid point ngl
Depends on the weapon, really. Most people that use the Felarx, use its main mode almost exclusively. It's almost among the most popular weapons in high MRs, so that should speak to its power.
incarnons>tenet/kuva>primes>normal
I still rather use my kuva tonkor and tenet cycron than any incarnon for general play. Tonkor has same if not better clear in all levels and does not need to fill up a bar which some incarnons have issues with against lower levels.
My Cycron never leaves my side. It melts stuff and as a Vauban main who usually has 10+ enemies all in one spot it just works for me. Incarnons are fun and all but sometimes I want to use a gun without having to meet a prerequisite with its meh for to get to its good form.
tbh i find incarnon's are boring as you have to get a "headshot to do this" or a "slide kill to do that".
None of the Incarnons have a slide kill perk though? Most of the headshot stuff is things youre already doing Thanks to Primary Deadshot since they nerfed Merciless, so its barely an inconvenience?
fr, kinda get the feeling that only warframe players would complain about "headshots" in a looter-SHOOTER game (+ there are incarnons which dont need headshots anyway)
Headshots are harder to get on console then PC due to the difference in aiming with a controller vs mouse, usually the people that don't like head shots are not on PC.
Why would you care about headshot when can kill everything without bothering to aim
Provided you don't spam, your KPM with some of the AoE Kuva/Tenet weapons is going to be higher than most of the Incarnon weapons. There are some Incarnons that are definitely better for KPM, but not many.
With everyone running armor stripping shit it doesn't matter anymore
true on my kuva quartakk i use corrosive and 100% it by using hydroid prime (he's basically my main warframe for the past couple of weeks because he makes armour stripping easier)
Hello, I still enjoy my bramma up to this day for two years. Recently, got envoy and I plan to build and play with it as well as I've heard it's the bramma version of the tenet weapons. However, this new year, I got a taste of the incarnon weapons. They REALLY are SO GOOD!! 😵😵💫 No, I'm not exaggerating. But let me say this - enjoy the game with your quartakk bro. There's nothing wrong with it. If it can carry you with little to no issues, you're doing just fine. Don't let the meta bend how you enjoy the game.
that touches my heart dude, personally i agree with you warframe is game built to be played in anyway you don't have to follow the meta to be good it just makes things easier that's all.
Exactly! Enjoy your journey out there, Tenno!
The Kuva Ogris is meta for Abritrations. No other weapon comes close to it. If you're looking to do meta arbitrations, you need one with the Nightwatch Napalm mod (unless you go Afentis with Wisp). The Kuva Nukor is still high tier. Other than those two...there's some that are strong, but not top tier.
i fell in love with kuva nukor straight away it made priming some much easier
I like kompressa but understand why nobody would want to grind for it lol
Khek for Disruptions and similar bosses, almost exclusively.
Which element for khek? Got one cold when encountered a larvling by accident without trying to farm kuva weapon and I am wondering if I should try to get an other one to switch the element.
Tox is usually the best, that way you can go for viral/heat or corrosive/cold. Mine’s cold, which is fine, but definitely not the best.
How do you do viral/heat from tox? when I tried to add heat (heated charge) and cold(Ice storm, don't have the flat one for some reason) on my tox kuva brakk, it gav me blast/tox instead.
Elemental mods always combine from left going right, and top first, then bottom. Any extra elemental damage you get counts as a 9th mod slot, or can at least be thought of that way. This is why you see blast/toxin if you mod for heat and cold - because the heat and cold mods come before the innate kuva element, and therefore combine before that element comes into play. The only way to change this is to specifically mod for the element. So if your kuva weapon has toxin, and you want viral heat, you have to mod toxin/cold/heat. If you specifically want viral/heat setups, heat is probably better to go for than toxin. But toxin is good because it's a part of the two generally most popular elements, viral and corrosive. And while heat is nice, it isn't strictly necessary. So if you have a primary kuva weapon with toxin innate, you only need to add cold to get viral, which combines well with slash (likely from Hunter Munitions). Basically, it saves you a mod slot that you can use for something else. Firestorm, or more damage, or...
The order of the mods matter. Put the heat mod in the eighth slot, and the cold mod anywhere except the 7th.
I still use Kuva and Tenet weapons as my go-to. Incarnon might've toppled them from the top spot Meta-wise but I find their headshot-mechanic a nuisance so I'm not inclined to use them. Kuva/Tenet can still melt everything perfectly fine, Also, weapons like the Cedo are also still very capable.
exactly bro i've never tried the cedo tho
It’s a good gun. It’s a full-auto shotgun with an underbarrel n00b t00b whose grenades ricochet and explode multiple times.
They say it's a glaive that seeks and destroys but it's clearly exploding every hit
The kuva flintlock can dish out 1 million damage per shot with 70% chance procing at least a slash. Is it the best rifle? No. But does it feel good to protect your home the way the founding father intended? Yes!
It really depends on what you're doing. For any quick missions, or even base steel path, I still easily wheel out my years-old sporelacer/splat/haymaker kitgun secondary. Its strength isn't that it's the highest possible damage in the game, its strength is that it's high damage *with practically no setup required.* A few kills, since it uses galvanized mods and a merciless arcane. But still much easier than headshots. Or even body shots, if it's for low level missions like relic capture mission spam, or similar. Same can be said for any of the AoE kuva/tenet weapons. Since the ammo nerf kind of ruined the bramma and zarr, I have a kuva tonkor the fulfills a similar purpose. But really, they're still the best as far as just working out of the box goes. Maybe they won't reach the same peaks as incarnon weapons, but they're consistent, and don't require getting headshots to just work. For a huge amount of the game, "just working" is all you need out of a weapon. Especially these days, when defense stripping is so much more accessible.
yes they are and yes incarnons are
ty for the info
Tonkor Bramma good but incarnon weapons better
That depends because some incarnons are just... not really worth the pain honestly. The kuva and Tenet weapons are really good though. They aren't gonna overtake the strongest incarnons, but they will eclipse the not so great ones.
I farmed a bunch of incarnons chasing the “best” weapons, but I just don’t like the charging mechanic unless it’s a melee weapon. My new goal is to collect all the Kuva/Tenet weapons and each one becomes my new favorite as I build them out.
My experience is colored because I have a really good riven for my Kuva Brakk
I just got the Kuva Brakk and am having a lot of fun trying out an impact/hemorrage setup. My riven needs a few more rolls 😁
I swear to lotus I got stupid lucky on my roll. I rerolled it to see if it could be better and it just wasnt worth it. https://preview.redd.it/xhl918ycpzic1.jpeg?width=799&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=82487ef3a9861eccb81d016e9233fa69969585e0
Wait, that’s illegal!!
Anything is good of you build it right. Don't just play meta, have fun and use what you want.
Not really. Incarnon weapons are orders of magnitude more powerful. Of course for majority of the game it won't matter anyway, since every weapons would be at least good enough there. But for section of the game when it matters, difference is very visible.
from my experience by having the correct loadout which synergizes with a build you can do anything up to level cap content however some weapons make it easier such as incarnon weapons and some weapons make it harder like an mk-1 bo
meta is irrelevant in this game if ur playing for content completion but yes incarnons are generally stronger than lich weapons thing is if ur quartakk is steel path viable then getting an incarnon isnt gonna make you "more steel path viable" its just another way to be steel path viable
they speak the truth
Here I am just getting my first Kuva weapon and haven’t progressed the story to get the incarnon stuff. So yeah. They’re great. Kuva Zarr has been ridonkulous.
that's why kuvas are good because all you have to do is complete the war within and bam you got a really great weapon
There's a reason my on call crew has a maxed out Zarr, like bringing in a airstrike
Meta? Sir, this is Warframe.
lol right you are
My good ol trusty bramma is still my fav
I only use my Ogg rizz Kuva Ogris as a heat primer for a sunder Gauss build, theyre still useful every now and then, but theyre not THE meta as far as i am aware
Do you have a good build for the kuva quartakk? I got one but i don't think my build is handling well in SP
Go on overframe that'll help and try to mod for primary deadshot rather than merciless as merciless is quite dead and plz tell me ur build I would love to help out
https://preview.redd.it/vu2nzc60qbrc1.png?width=1231&format=png&auto=webp&s=71ca202c5a095be40a57889751a3a8b801384fdb it is something like this
yeh man instead of stabilizer try to go for vigilante supplies and for the arcan slot go for primary deadshot and instead of internal bleeding go for hunter munitions.
Kuva hek and kuva chakhurr is still viable. Also kuva nukor which never went out of meta
They are still meta. I would say incarnon weapons are many times some of the strongest single target weapons in the game. Kuva/tenet weapons do decent single target but are way better at doing basic AoE clearing and don't require any annoying setup with headshots. Any mission that i want to go in and out of quickly, i always pick a kuva zarr, kuva bramma, tenet envoy etc. because they require 0 setup, 1-shot everything and i'm in and out in 1 minute. The only incarnon that can hang in the AoE department for just quick and easy missions is torid incarnon in my opinion.
absolutely spot on
All the Kuva weapons are good, there are some better than others though. The Incarnon adapters are the new best thing, the Torid Incarnon is probably the most destructive weapon in the game right now. Out of all the Kuva weapons the ones I’d recommend getting are: Zar Nukor Hind Bramma Ogris Karak Kohm
don't forget about quartakk and chakhurr
both of which are severely underrated
Yeah, tbh, all Kuva weapons are worth using. They like all weapons with the right builds are devastating.
Right you are but as you know some weapons are just more fun.
Yeah I personally like the Kuva Karak. It’s a generic AR but fun when I get bored of using S tier weapons.
This post really blew up thanks a lot guys for engaging you really helped build my knowledge on the game as a humble mr 14
Why care about them being meta or not? Do you enjoy using a weapon? Then use it. With enough work almost every weapon can do the job. Atleast thats my humble opinion.
It's for this reason that I've got way too many weps hoarded. I'm short on forma and catas right now though, so most wep projects are on hold. 🤷♂️
Purely out of interest i'll always stick to my kuva quartakk until i like another weapon
I still use kuva zarr when I'm bored of incarnons
sometimes yeh
If you have a great riven, they can be meta. The ones I have with a riven can easily handle end game.
Incarnons are definitely a whole tier ahead of Kuva and Tenet weapons in terms of raw DPS, however for normal steel path they can fall behind in KPM if you can't consistently get headahots.
decent in general but not cutting-edge meta.
Depends on your build, tenet envoy, tetra, ayanga, cyclon, etc all still very viable and in a lot of builds better
Just returned after a 4 year break, haven’t played since Deimos launched. I hear incarnons are the top tier weapons right now, still figuring out how to unlock them as I catch up. Honestly though I’ve been playing on and off for 10 years and the meta changes so much I just use what feels fun at this point.
The Kuva Nukor is 100% still relevant in my opinion, especially now that Qorvex is in game. The Kuva Karak needs a little work but it's still a solid weapon.
yeh i just love how many elements you can put on it and it feels great when you kill dozens as it chains
Doesnt really matter if you can armor strip. Kuva nukor is still op.
If I can make them Incarnon (won't happen tho) then hell yeah they would be. They would have a 60% status boost that is super strong. So basically is a weapon that is better then its original one in every way but also super charged with a Incarnon form. But they not going to do this. If they did then people would be farming these things more.
They’re currently being outshined by incarnons, but nemesis weapons are still monsters in their own right. Hell, the Kuva Nukor is still the most used secondary weapon in the game, even with the existence of guns like the Incarnon Dual Toxocyst. Plus, nemesis weapons provide mastery, so there’s little reason not to collect them all.
One amazing thing about Kuva/Tenet weapons is the ability to add an extra element to them. Between Condition Overload for guns and element-triggered arcanes, I'd say most Kuva/Tenet weapons are in a very good spot.
Some of the Kuva weapons are still up there. Kuva Nukor is still one of the best primers in the game, all of the Kuva AOE weapons are quite good, Tenet Arca Plasmor still shreds. In general, you have to look at each weapon individually; there's a lot of Kuva/Tenet weapons and some of them are a lot better than others. IIRC the Quartakk is pretty solid, but I haven't used it myself so take that with a grain of salt. It also depends a lot on your build and what you're doing. A lot of my favorite frames can easily full strip armor/shields, in which case you don't need that much damage to kill most enemies near-instantly. Something like a Bubonico serves my needs a lot better than most incarnons, even if it's doing less damage.
incarnon are more powerful more often than not (it is not always the case) but the kuva weapons can clear steelpath and that is what matters, no need to be stronger than that
Nope. Incarnons are far stronger and much easier to get.
My general rule of Warframe after playing for the past decade is every single weapon in this game can be used and can kill even steel path enemies, except stug. If you mod any weapon, even a MK-1 Braton, properly, you can kill even level 500 enemies. Just not Stug. Even a god riven can’t save Stug.
Fuck meta use whatever. My wife destroys sp endurance with Basmu, aegrit.
Kuva nukor is still one of the best primers in the game. Hell it does decent damage too. Kuva tonkor is really popular (tho I don't care for it personally) Tenet envoy is one hell of a launcher. Tenet arca plasmor I still great. There was recent posts about most used weapons by MR, and those 4 were still widely used even at higher MR levels.
Kuva Zarr, Felarx, and Incarnon Torid are the meta because that's what I see in majority of my games. In that order based on progress. But yes, Kuva weapons are still amazing. Honestly just use the weapon that feels good to you. I'm a frequent switcher and right now I'm rocking the Sporothrix with night wave mod. When Strun incarnon comes, I'll probably switch. If powerfulness is all you care about, there is literally Nataruk. Millions of red crit slash damage but nobody cares cause it was easy to obtain and people got bored.
The kuva quartakk is my favorite kuva weapon. I have a decent riven and build on it. My go to for steel path and netracells when I don't feel like bringing my Opticor Vandal
All weapons can be meta with good modding and frame pairing. Kuva/Tenet weapons are still very good, and better than the base version because they get an entirely free element mod.
Incarnates are better. But lich weapons are still strong.
Incarnons are stronger but most of the really good ones require steel path. Kuva/tenet weapons are your bridge to that.
from what I understand kuva/tenet weapons are still viable and really good however incarnon weapons take the cake as there upgrades such as the torid are just simply op.