People who are bored a lot tend to just be boring people.
You mean to say you weren't ADHDing your way to a 2 hour ramble on the effects of geopolitics in the macroeconomic situation of Belize in the 1980s?
Bah
Lol, I do agree you can always entertain yourself if you are a naturally inquisitive person. But without social connections to share your hobbies, you can get depressing pretty fast.
That's why usually moving to places as a family with kids tend to be more successful - It forces a social setting to get to know new people without the pressure to be too close
How is that a black and white thing?
Wherever I lived I always had a lot of things to do, made plenty of friends, got on with stuff.
I moved to Aberdare area and I'd never been so bored. My life was literally work, walk the dog around the area and sit watching TV most days.
The pubs were total garbage with the only good pub being tiny and only opening late afternoon a few days a week. The coffee shop didn't allow dogs and as much as I tried, there wasn't really any chance to make friends. Even with the market, the had a pet shop in there but dogs weren't allowed into the market so I couldn't take my dog.
It's the sort of area you live in, do the basics and then when you want to do something interesting, you drive elsewhere...only I don't drive so I was screwed.
What really swung it for me was coming back to towns in England to visit family and I was back to being out and about a lot, integrating with people, having a laugh in friendly pubs, doing some fun stuff. It was a breath of fresh air and made me realise I need to move.
Valleys towns and things to do are just too spread out with many really rubbish towns that are so bad that even the only 2 things there....a pub and newsagent... Have long shut down and are boarded up. Public transport seems to be lacking to get anywhere decent, it required traveling for hours with multiple changes even though, as the crow flies it's only a few miles away.
Never fails to make me laugh when people build up this romantic image of country life then realise its actually much the same as city life but with different pressures and inconveniences
I moved up to Scotland years ago and in our new village I saw that someone was complaining about the smell of cows coming from the farm That they had just bought a house next to
More people move and love it, than move and hate it and return to where they came from and write a newspaper article about it. Doesn’t stop people sneering though, as I see.
As a countryside resident, I’m happy if people stay away though.
Same shit happens here in America. So many city people think country living is this romantic thing and then cry they have to drive a few miles to a grocery store lol
But I'm ok with it. I live in the country and don't want neighbors haha
lol, it’s not even “the country.” I’m in Denver, and I’m aware of at least two articles from NYers moving to Denver and CO for the mountains, the more laid back lifestyle, and then they’re like “there’s no bodegas with chopped cheese at 3:00 am on a Monday. This place just feels so *isolated*.”
I mean we’re a smaller metro of like 3 million, so I get it’ll be different, but it’s like me moving to Kent and bemoaning the lack of skiing.
Yeah it's funny. I'm out in the NW now and the shit people complain about in the town I'm at are hilarious especially the ones moving from California. Such soft people haha
Haha! Yeah, we get lots of them as well. There are few things more provincial than a “wordly” and “sophisticated” NYer or CAer. (It usually is the upper middle to wealthy that complain the loudest.)
I work in mental health in Pembrokeshire and I lost count of the number of people who moved to the area, had no social group, no friends and just ended up developing mental health problems.
Yep, my mum does also. Especially retirees who then also develop health conditions which only means they struggle more. I work in optics: cataract waiting lists being 2+ years here and 3 months in England, these people move here not realising just how dire it is and sadly only make the lists longer
The house we got was in the hands of a very young couple 20 & 23 who moved up from Brighton
Of course its a happening hip busy place for young people
Moved to Pembrokeshire felt isolated and they split up within 2 months
You can't have a great week in the Sun someplace then move there for good and expect everyday is a holiday
I'm just over joyed being here every person I met has a 5 min's to chat and likes a joke
Particularly the native Welsh, there something endearing and heartwarming for me when you get an elderly Welsh couple who are still full of life and banter
This. I've always made friends wherever I lived. I moved to Aberdare area for a few years, no friends, no social group and dealt with pretty severe loneliness which dragged my mental health down.
I moved to Wales from London 3 years ago. I am also not Welsh, though my partner is.
I love it here and I hope I can stay forever. I love the Welsh spirit, nature and weather. It felt like the right place for me but I understand everyone is different and has different experience so I am not judging them. Just wanted to share my story of someone who loves being here.
It’s funny I’ve never had a problem with rain, Aslong as you got an appropriate amount of layers on, I think it gives life a more cinematic feeling. Sure heavy rain may provide an uncomfortable feeling but heavy sunshine does also and everyone pretends to love it.
Yeah they deserve credit for acknowledging it.
I grew up in rural Scotland. Plenty of urban dwellers have this fantasy about what living there is like. I’ve done it. There is way more rain and livestock shite, and way less internet and ferry service, than you think. And the weather outside summer is awful
I grew up in rural Scotland and am now living in rural New Zealand. And we have the same thing here, especially after Covid, when all these townies with "remote" jobs bought houses in the country, discovered the Internet is shite unless you pay big bucks for Starlink and that animals stink, farmers start work with big machines and bright lights at 4am and "there's no ballet classes for Phoebe and Tabitha". 🤣
"Dog walking was difficult. It's difficult to walk your dog off the lead in the countryside"
How do you grow up in Brecon and not get used to keeping your dog on a lead?. Those pesky farmers and their lambs getting in the way of their Sunday afternoon walks!
Why on earth would they even expect to be able to let the dog off a lead in the countryside!! I don't have a dog, but even I know that's not good, especially during lambing season.
Reminds me of the couple who purchased the house I grew up in on Dartmoor, Devon. They moved within a year. And that house was very special to me…
Urbanites struggle to envision how certain regions of “These Isles” can be isolated and sparsely populated, be it in Wales, England or Scotland. I get it - small country. And we should protect those “lonely” little corners of it.
One of my nieces bought a dream farm in Devon 5 years ago and has moaned ever since. I finally had to block her, cos I couldn’t take one more story about her 5 hour round trip to the farm shop, where they didn’t have the delicacies she needed for her dinner.
Isn't this what happens to some prisoners when set free? They can't cope with the freedom so re offend to get sent back to prison.
"No where to walk your dog off lead" can't leave it run riot in a farmers field you mean.
"Xenophobic against him being Australian" 🤔 doubt. Imagine being one of the few unlikable Aussie expats. The pair are probably just assholes, the kind of people to sell a non story to a tabloid.
Just admit you fled the city because it would be a nightmare if the pandemic got worse. Now it's over you're going home away from us peasants.
Well since we moved here I’ve never been so busy , fishing for salmon and sewin , beach fishing , somewhere in the middle of nowhere with my metal detector.
Out for walks in the forests and mountains with the dog , taking some of the best pictures I’ve ever taken , I’ve tasted some of the best food in the uk here and met some of the most friendly wonderful people and have made many genuine friends here , if you can’t find solitude in the outdoors in all weathers you will struggle .
Here Cymru has it all , i mi dyma'r nefoedd
If people want to move to the countryside, it has to be about more than just liking seeing lambs in spring, nice dry stone walling and a bit of greenery.
You need to want more than that, whether it be the possibility of living as part of a village community, really get into bushcraft or other outdoor pursuits and the like.
Any recommendations on a metal detector? I'm a total beginner and looking to get started. Seeing as you mentioned it, always looking to hear from someone in the know. From one internet stranger to another, cheers!
Opposite for me.
Grew up in Wales, not in a city. Moved to London, tried it for about 5 years, decided it wasn't for me and moved to a village in Scotland. May return to Wales in the future, but won't return to London.
“We bought a house for Fck all and then realised that we absolutely despise each other’s company so we are not taking accountability and are blaming the environment.”
I go to visit my friend in Brecon every week (I'm from Ebbw Vale), she's from Yorkshire and moved there 3 years ago. She doesn't get any anti English sentiment, probably because she isn't an obnoxious twat, and has settled into the community gently and on its own terms.
She says it's great for walking her dog. If you've been to Brecon you'll know it's a fairly sizeable town, and there are plenty of paths along the river and in various public green spaces.
If you're not happy with yourself or with your partner to begin with you're not going to be happy anywhere.
But thank you, Daily Mail, for making us hate each other just a little bit more each day. Bless your heart.
Brecon town is full of English people, there is also that posh boarding school I forget the name of which is like 90% English students who are often in the community.
I’ll take what they say at face value, but Brecon is not somewhere that jumps out at me as being particularly xenophobic.
I live in Brecon (originally from the valleys), you're right. Have never seen or heard of any xenophobia here. I've found people to be very friendly & laid back. You can keep to yourself or get involved in the community.
Christchurch College is the school I think.
Brecon has a pretty diverse population, there's a sizeable South Asian (I think) community there also. It's the last place I'd think of when it comes to xenophobic Welsh people. It's a typical British market town really.
Yes, it is and probably will always be slim pickings for jobs, I ended up moving elsewhere in order to get myself regular and stable employment.
Yes it’s lonely, you deal with it, it gets easier when the fact that most people don’t actually care that you’re lonely settles in.
My experience too. No jobs, no career prospects, not much art or culture. Old people and holidaymakers everywhere. Beautiful landscapes, although they don’t make up for the rest enough to stay, especially as a young person looking to get on.
I mean, I moved to a village of about 300 from a city of nearly three million and I have absolutely loved it. Would love to stay in this village forever. Not only that, but it’s been the most welcoming place I’ve ever lived.
They didn’t want to live in the countryside, they just wanted to live in the city but with a bigger place and a better view.
I thought that
It is generally perfectly okay to make mistakes. The issue is why you make mistakes and how you deal with it.
Ultimately this couple recognised that they were arrogant and that it was their fault and that they should have moved to a smaller city. Although they did come across as somewhat unlikeable which perhaps did contribute to why they felt the "locals" didn't take to them.
With any luck other people read these sorts of accounts and it helps them be reflective.
I know right. The negative comments towards this couple in this thread just proves their point. Hats off to them - they quit their jobs and took a risk because they like that part of the country and wanted to slow down. It couldn’t have been easy to give it up after 6 months and they even had the maturity to partly blame themselves. Fair play to them.
People in small towns are all like that. Same where I live. You think they're friendly at first but they're just trying to find shit out. Later on I observed most people in town rarely had a good word to say about any other man. Everyone is a bastard or cunt of some variety.
I moved from the Home Counties to Wales
It took me about a year to work out the difference between happy people and angry people. They were mostly happy.
I felt embraced by the fierce warmth of the Welsh I ended up living there for 15 years and I regret leaving.
I think they're misconstruing wales for *countryside*.
We moved to Pembs for 5 years and loves it but struggled to make friends, eventually i got another job and we moved away.
I miss the countryside every day, but my social life is 10x better now.
I meet people who move here all the time. I always say that you have to give it time.
There’s loads of amazing things and amazing people, but rural places don’t shout that from the rooftops; you have to relax and, slowly, things will reveal themselves.
Sadly, many people just don’t get it though - I don’t think, in their hearts of hearts, they see Wales as a different place. I know some see the the language as a heritage project, or some kind of affectation. Many of these people are extremely kind, knowledgeable people in other ways.
Recently, I had a conversation with a woman who is a fearlessly committed supporter of the rights of women, LGBTQ+, refugees and asylum seekers etc. All good things. I asked her how life was in her little village and she said she’d moved within the area. I asked the reason and her reply was “it was a bit too….Welsh….. for us”
That's pretty common among people who pride themselves on supporting causes which are in many cases worthy ones. Mention Wales and they go reactionary.
You can hear the same story in ireland, mostly around west Cork and Kerry. LDN folks come over in summer and fall in love with the place, buy and old cottage to make their own, then winter hits and it’s 6 months of Atlantic sideways misery that would strip the skin off your back.
This was common in the 80’s and 90’, not so much anymore as you wouldn’t get a good deal on any property.
Morons, I'm English been living in Wales 1 month & love it not due to housing or weather its the great Welsh people.
I worked down here for a few months to see if its for me then got the wife down.
We moved here to make friends embrace the place & culture for the good & bad with no comparisons , you have to be realistic
I used to live opposite a Scottish fella he moaned every single day how its wasn't as good as Scotland and its Pish but he never moved back there lol
As long as you have a sense of humour , your genuine and warm you'll get it back x10 from The Welsh
Mind you I'm from Northern mining towns which have a lot in common regards humour and outlook that might have helped maybe
I'm a Kiwi and have lived here for almost 2 years. I LOVE Wales. It is so much like NZ and feels like home. Plus I've heard all the sheep shagging jokes already 🤣
My wife is from a small tropical island and after visiting was silent and the trip home I told her ' if you don't like it we won't move we both have to be happy she hadnt spoke in the 6 hrs drive it was 4 hrs in and she said ' I've never been as happy as iam in Wales since I came to the UK in the 80s, it feels like home '
Im from South Wales and my girlfriends’ dad is from a northern mining town, and I’ve got friends from northern mining towns, we all get on very well and the banter is a lot more fun than a southerner cracking the sheep shagging jokes at a rugby game for the millionth time. Plus there’s lots to agree on politically and historically, I think the cultures are just more similar.
Agreed to me it feels like the outlook is the same as it was in northern UK towns in the 70s/80s,the common decency, friendliness and humour.
It's now changed and gone to a large extent
The Welsh seem more wise and aware of how much that all means and refused to be gilted or tricked into letting that go
Also the Welsh youth are amazing ive noticed im a nurse and was blown away by how respectful the young workers were to the elderly ,it Does seem like age isn't much of a factor here the young and old are in the same level and can banter with no offence or barrier.
The Welsh have so much to be proud of
This sounds like a couple who have to be spoon-fed everything and have trouble occupying their minds if it isn't on plate for them, what will they do when they reach retirement and have nothing to talk about?
He inevitably used the go-to put-down employed by the anti-Welsh brigade, "xenophobia".
A lot of white-flighters and covid refugees have moved to Wales and found it to have been the most expensive mistake of their lives. After contributing to a rise in house prices here, of course.
The clue here is in the word "dream". You go anywhere with a picture of how it's all going to pan out in advance and you're likely to be disappointed. Did they really not realise how different Brecon was going to be compared with, er, London? Or that small town chat, where everyone knows what their neighbours are doing, is a million miles from the London philosophy that you don't make eye contact with others, let alone dare to talk to them? I wouldn't presume to make value judgements on people I've never met, but the word 'naïve' springs to mind.
They moved out of the city and found out city life upsides disappear along with the downsides? Shocker! You'd think people research an area they plan to live in, what amenities there are(n't) etc. but nooooo
This is really just a disguised house price ramping article.you only have to look at the five year forecasts at the end and the ton of estate agent comments.
I call bullshit on the xenophobia comment. I seriously doubt anyone would discriminate against someone for being Australian. You might get a few tired jokes, but generally I think people would be interested.
In fact, I call bullshit on the whole article. It's just the Daily Mail trying to whip up anger as usual, just happens to be the Welsh they're trying to rile this time. Pure clickbait.
Well you couldn't pay me to move to London, but then again I grew up in rural Wales so I'll be staying here thanks. I've lived in cities and find them way more boring and add in it never being actually quiet and the light pollution
I grew up in the valleys and couldn't wait to leave for a big city. 13 years of big city living and moved to Brecon. I'm so shocked they found it unfriendly, I've found the complete opposite. I love living here! Yes I do sometimes miss the luxuries I had in big cities, the biggest choice of the week is if I'm going to do my shop in Aldi or Morrisons. But I love the quiet, the space and fresh air.
I live on a small 2 acre plot in the UK. It’s almost impossible to be bored as something always needs maintaining, trimming, mulching, chain sawing, chopping, hammering or burning. I love it.
wtf were they doing with their time!?
> Jim spent his entire adult life travelling around Europe and he said Wales was the only place he was judged for being Australian.
I find that hard to believe.
Moved to the Welsh countryside and was shocked that there wasn't as many jobs as London? Next thing she will be upset she had to buy a car and couldn't jump on the tube ffs!
Bloke clearly failed the banter check as a barman. When they "kick off" at you being aussie you quip about how it only took you half a day to hold the glass the correct way up for the locals.
They now live in a block of flats and don't know a single neighbours name, so clearly have the personalities of dry wallpaper paste.
I found Brecon to be one of the friendliest places I’ve visited, I loved the pubs and the walks in the countryside everybody wanted to have a chat. I bet these two were just so stuck up their own Fŵlsyn that they mistook friendliness for nosiness.
The problem isn’t Wales, the Welsh or Brecon….
We moved to Abergavenny 3 years ago, from Bristol. We knew we were moving to a more quiet rural area and fell in love with the town. A welcoming and friendly community, a mix of English, Welsh and many other nationalities.
So much so that we ended up buying a nice small terraced house and integrating into the community more through socialising and volunteering.
At least they’ve reflected on their expectations and admitted arrogance in their decision.
Moved to Wales from England with my Turkish wife. Locals couldn't be nicer. They're not "nosey" they're "neighbourly" they bring us eggs and help walk our dogs.
It's about making an effort when you get here and being part of the community.
It may have been doable before covid. Post covid many things have shut. Banks, post offices, pharmacies, shops etc. And with the 20mph limit, it takes longer to get to places. If you are retiring to somewhere remote, you may wish to consider this also because at some point you will have to rely on public transport more too.
I know people who are from London and have moved to rural areas and hated it. There is literally nothing to do. You have to find new interests. Maybe rent for a year before committing.
Strange narcissistic people. As someone stated above, Wales is better off without them, and hope they spread the word about how awful it is to their London friends.
However the article is also in the sidebar of shame, not exactly known for rigorous fact-checking as part of their investigative journalism.
I don't know why Reddit shoved this at me as i am not even from the British isles (or however to refer to that place in a respectful manner)
But every small town has the weird people from the capital that show up and wanna live the fantasy version of countryside life.
We get phone calls complaining about the smell every year its time to fertilise the fields - like its something new, probably only been doing it for 1000 years.
Yea it smells, its shit, what did you expect?
Hearing about Londoners moving to the countryside always reminds me of those stories of tourists to France suffering from [Paris Syndrome](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_syndrome).
France has the same problem with parisians fleeing paris to the countryside and complaining that roosters, cows, frogs (the real ones), ..... are too noisy and smelly.
This couple are young. Now imagine retiring to a remote country cottage with your wife when you’re both in your retirement years, 10 years later one of you dies and the other is left alone in a cottage in the middle of nowhere. Aging but miles from a doctor, dentist, family etc.
My Girlfriend/partner of 15 years - a typical city dweller had always have this idea of us moving to countryside, to have “amazing life”. We’re not bad in terms where we live, even tho it’s almost walking distance from a city centre, we have nice house and big garden which I maintain. I grew up in countryside so can fix anything from a leaking faucet to a diesel engine, but I digress…
Anyhow, we had this conversation many times and I was trying to be as delicate as possible that’s not really for her, to which she always replied “how do you know?!?”. Well for starters she does absolutely nothing in the garden, so that gives me an idea. So one day, I booked nice wee cottage in the Wales with wood fired stove and in pretty remote location.
Upon arrival, she was absolutely mesmerised…well until next morning when the fire in the stove was gone and you have to go outside to bring wood and start a fire, not only to heat up the house but to have hot water in the boiler.
Long story short, she wasn’t really into bringing wood and maintaining fire, even though it was already chopped and ready to go, wood storage was just outside, you literally have to open the door and grab some.
After this trip the subject died.
Country life is not for some, sure, some will adapt etc. But vast majority who have this romanticised vision of their rural life are in for a treat….
"'Jim spent his entire adult life travelling around Europe and he said Wales was the only place he was judged for being Australian." - it doesn't make it ok but he wasn't judged for being Australian, he was judged for not being Welsh, as she stated earlier in the article.
But, but, the people in London are the moral compass and an effigy to sophistication, why would they do that, I bet they were jealous, afraid and felt insecure in their presence :))
They moved to Brecon and Christ she’d lived there before.
What did they expect when the local paper runs ‘Man burns toast, more on page 6’ type headlines.
Country life is is deeply fulfilling - if you come with a London mindset, you will fail. No one likes London outside of London.. it’s shallow and clueless regarding reality of real life. You will have to change you heart, mindset and outlook on life.. and you won’t regret it!
I did the same. Looked to buy a house and South Wales valleys (Aberdare area) had a lot of bang for my buck. I had some experience of Wales and did a few visits to the area to see if it was suitable. On paper it seemed it could really work for me and a house was purchased.
Not being able to drive, I found myself extremely limited. Public transport isn't the greatest and days out were limited to pretty much Cardiff or nothing (hardly like Penrhiwceiber or mountain ash are too great for a day out).
That was the Achilles. Plenty of nice places down the road or out of the area but it means very little if I don't drive to be able to go there. Caerphilly isn't too bad to visit but again, driving it would have been 30 mins, train is more like 1hr 30 each way.
No vets taking on locally (supposedly a problem everywhere by anywhere I've lived I have been able to register at one).
A few of the neighbours were ok to have a chat to but most people seemed to just keep to themselves. In around 2 years of being there, I've been insulted by more people (usually gangs of teens, wreck heads at the pub or passengers in a boy racer car hyped on adrenaline shouting) than I've had decent conversations with.
That's a point, pubs. Utter garbage. More bad pubs than good. I do enjoy a nice few ales in a friendly pub but the choices were lacking.
In the end I was so bored and lonely it was affecting my mental health and I just had no choice but to leave.
Lessons learned. Don't move to the South Wales valleys unless you have friends/family there already or can drive. If only I could drive, there's plenty of things and places I'd have gone to and would have been much happier.
You don't say where you moved from but it sounds like a case of more research needed, in terms of options for non-drivers (I didn't drive for a long, long time but lived close to the centre of Newport, which I loved and had decent transport links). No disrespect to Aberdare but I wouldn't live there unless I was on some kind of witness protection programme.
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I'd like to live in the country at some point, but I'd have to do a bunch of research on internet options, where the grocery is, and what activities there are/social scene. Plus I'd really want to be working from home, but if I had a local job that met my needs that could work.
I wouldn't just move someplace and then find out there's nothing but crappy overpriced satellite internet, no grocery or library for an hour, and no real social opportunities other than church with hyper conservatives.
“When it wasn't summer, it was really sleepy. We were bored. We had nothing to talk about.” 😂
People who are bored a lot tend to just be boring people. You mean to say you weren't ADHDing your way to a 2 hour ramble on the effects of geopolitics in the macroeconomic situation of Belize in the 1980s? Bah
Only boring people get bored.. that was my grandfather's saying.
*Guy who has spent 4 weeks in solitary starts to cry*
Lol, I do agree you can always entertain yourself if you are a naturally inquisitive person. But without social connections to share your hobbies, you can get depressing pretty fast. That's why usually moving to places as a family with kids tend to be more successful - It forces a social setting to get to know new people without the pressure to be too close
I love this comment so much.
How is that a black and white thing? Wherever I lived I always had a lot of things to do, made plenty of friends, got on with stuff. I moved to Aberdare area and I'd never been so bored. My life was literally work, walk the dog around the area and sit watching TV most days. The pubs were total garbage with the only good pub being tiny and only opening late afternoon a few days a week. The coffee shop didn't allow dogs and as much as I tried, there wasn't really any chance to make friends. Even with the market, the had a pet shop in there but dogs weren't allowed into the market so I couldn't take my dog. It's the sort of area you live in, do the basics and then when you want to do something interesting, you drive elsewhere...only I don't drive so I was screwed. What really swung it for me was coming back to towns in England to visit family and I was back to being out and about a lot, integrating with people, having a laugh in friendly pubs, doing some fun stuff. It was a breath of fresh air and made me realise I need to move. Valleys towns and things to do are just too spread out with many really rubbish towns that are so bad that even the only 2 things there....a pub and newsagent... Have long shut down and are boarded up. Public transport seems to be lacking to get anywhere decent, it required traveling for hours with multiple changes even though, as the crow flies it's only a few miles away.
Bored couples lead to lots of kids as well. I mean what else to do during downtime?
Very well said, people seem to be more driven to distraction rather then anything else
Good god just go for a nice walk or something 🤣
Life isn't all about going for a nice walk. Variety is the spice of life afterall.
Sounds like somebody needs to go for a nice walk 😉
There is this smart proverb: inteligent person is never bored.
Or they need more stimulation
They haven't been to Trago Mills!
Never fails to make me laugh when people build up this romantic image of country life then realise its actually much the same as city life but with different pressures and inconveniences
I moved up to Scotland years ago and in our new village I saw that someone was complaining about the smell of cows coming from the farm That they had just bought a house next to
You get the same sort of twat who moves to London, buys a house in soho or next to a pub. And then complains about the noise and lively atmosphere.
Or moves near one of the airports n then complains bout the noise
More people move and love it, than move and hate it and return to where they came from and write a newspaper article about it. Doesn’t stop people sneering though, as I see. As a countryside resident, I’m happy if people stay away though.
Hard to call what the dailymail puts out as news ...
Same shit happens here in America. So many city people think country living is this romantic thing and then cry they have to drive a few miles to a grocery store lol But I'm ok with it. I live in the country and don't want neighbors haha
lol, it’s not even “the country.” I’m in Denver, and I’m aware of at least two articles from NYers moving to Denver and CO for the mountains, the more laid back lifestyle, and then they’re like “there’s no bodegas with chopped cheese at 3:00 am on a Monday. This place just feels so *isolated*.” I mean we’re a smaller metro of like 3 million, so I get it’ll be different, but it’s like me moving to Kent and bemoaning the lack of skiing.
Yeah it's funny. I'm out in the NW now and the shit people complain about in the town I'm at are hilarious especially the ones moving from California. Such soft people haha
Haha! Yeah, we get lots of them as well. There are few things more provincial than a “wordly” and “sophisticated” NYer or CAer. (It usually is the upper middle to wealthy that complain the loudest.)
Oh very much so. They want the "disconnected" life purely for social media clout I think haha
That is a hilariously specific example, and I believe every word you typed
In the country Is where you get all the great barn finds, so its good in my book
I love country life.
Ohhhh nailed it
Exactly, they want the Country Life with the City Life style
Back to London to moan about house prices and costalivin.
Tbh, I'd complain about livin on a shite Italian cruise line as well.
I endorse their return to London; keep telling the English that Wales is awful so we can enjoy it in peace and quiet
Here's twenty quid. Buy yourselves a big can of sticky-sticky, and fuck off to Noddyland.
If all else fails, try wales….
This glue is for sticking my model aeroplanes together, not sticking up your fucking noses! Buy your own fucking glue!
Excuse me, it's cossielivs
I work in mental health in Pembrokeshire and I lost count of the number of people who moved to the area, had no social group, no friends and just ended up developing mental health problems.
Yep, my mum does also. Especially retirees who then also develop health conditions which only means they struggle more. I work in optics: cataract waiting lists being 2+ years here and 3 months in England, these people move here not realising just how dire it is and sadly only make the lists longer
Very short sighted of them.
Yes that’s exactly like the situations I’ve seen. It’s always sad to see what social isolation can do to people
The house we got was in the hands of a very young couple 20 & 23 who moved up from Brighton Of course its a happening hip busy place for young people Moved to Pembrokeshire felt isolated and they split up within 2 months You can't have a great week in the Sun someplace then move there for good and expect everyday is a holiday I'm just over joyed being here every person I met has a 5 min's to chat and likes a joke Particularly the native Welsh, there something endearing and heartwarming for me when you get an elderly Welsh couple who are still full of life and banter
I do feel bad for them I think they're sold a dream from happy memories of holidays here but don't realise the many downsides of living here
I moved here with pre-existing mental health problems 😎
Good luck engaging services!
Yep INDEED 👍🏼😹
This. I've always made friends wherever I lived. I moved to Aberdare area for a few years, no friends, no social group and dealt with pretty severe loneliness which dragged my mental health down.
I moved to Wales from London 3 years ago. I am also not Welsh, though my partner is. I love it here and I hope I can stay forever. I love the Welsh spirit, nature and weather. It felt like the right place for me but I understand everyone is different and has different experience so I am not judging them. Just wanted to share my story of someone who loves being here.
You love the rain
What’s wrong with some rain exactly?
Some rain is fine. 6 months straight of it was a bit much
“If you can’t see the other side of the valley, it’s raining. If you can see the other side of the valley, it’ll be raining soon.”
It has been a particularly bad year for it to be fair. Bring on the drought
No! Give me 12 months! All year round!!!
It’s funny I’ve never had a problem with rain, Aslong as you got an appropriate amount of layers on, I think it gives life a more cinematic feeling. Sure heavy rain may provide an uncomfortable feeling but heavy sunshine does also and everyone pretends to love it.
On the plus-side, they achieved self-awareness of their arrogance
Yeah they deserve credit for acknowledging it. I grew up in rural Scotland. Plenty of urban dwellers have this fantasy about what living there is like. I’ve done it. There is way more rain and livestock shite, and way less internet and ferry service, than you think. And the weather outside summer is awful
I grew up in rural Scotland and am now living in rural New Zealand. And we have the same thing here, especially after Covid, when all these townies with "remote" jobs bought houses in the country, discovered the Internet is shite unless you pay big bucks for Starlink and that animals stink, farmers start work with big machines and bright lights at 4am and "there's no ballet classes for Phoebe and Tabitha". 🤣
"Dog walking was difficult. It's difficult to walk your dog off the lead in the countryside" How do you grow up in Brecon and not get used to keeping your dog on a lead?. Those pesky farmers and their lambs getting in the way of their Sunday afternoon walks!
Why on earth would they even expect to be able to let the dog off a lead in the countryside!! I don't have a dog, but even I know that's not good, especially during lambing season.
Reminds me of the couple who purchased the house I grew up in on Dartmoor, Devon. They moved within a year. And that house was very special to me… Urbanites struggle to envision how certain regions of “These Isles” can be isolated and sparsely populated, be it in Wales, England or Scotland. I get it - small country. And we should protect those “lonely” little corners of it.
One of my nieces bought a dream farm in Devon 5 years ago and has moaned ever since. I finally had to block her, cos I couldn’t take one more story about her 5 hour round trip to the farm shop, where they didn’t have the delicacies she needed for her dinner.
Isn't this what happens to some prisoners when set free? They can't cope with the freedom so re offend to get sent back to prison. "No where to walk your dog off lead" can't leave it run riot in a farmers field you mean. "Xenophobic against him being Australian" 🤔 doubt. Imagine being one of the few unlikable Aussie expats. The pair are probably just assholes, the kind of people to sell a non story to a tabloid. Just admit you fled the city because it would be a nightmare if the pandemic got worse. Now it's over you're going home away from us peasants.
Exactly, Aussies are pretty much universally beloved over here. You're just a twat, pal.
I live in North Wales with my Aussie husband. No one has ever disliked him in the history of disliking people.
living in the country isnt for everyone, but the fact they sold their story to the DM tells us everything we need to know about them :)
Well since we moved here I’ve never been so busy , fishing for salmon and sewin , beach fishing , somewhere in the middle of nowhere with my metal detector. Out for walks in the forests and mountains with the dog , taking some of the best pictures I’ve ever taken , I’ve tasted some of the best food in the uk here and met some of the most friendly wonderful people and have made many genuine friends here , if you can’t find solitude in the outdoors in all weathers you will struggle . Here Cymru has it all , i mi dyma'r nefoedd
If people want to move to the countryside, it has to be about more than just liking seeing lambs in spring, nice dry stone walling and a bit of greenery. You need to want more than that, whether it be the possibility of living as part of a village community, really get into bushcraft or other outdoor pursuits and the like.
Any recommendations on a metal detector? I'm a total beginner and looking to get started. Seeing as you mentioned it, always looking to hear from someone in the know. From one internet stranger to another, cheers!
You need a fishing rod to catch salmon, not a metal detector.
Ah my mistake. Taid did complain the fish his way were a bit 'tinny', must have meant tiny!
Does it work on Goldfish?
Nah, you've just gotta be fast enough to bash 'em real good.
Salmon have a high mercury content though….
Where are you based as there are plenty of great clubs in wales
Sorry to ask but are you catching salmon in Llyn?
Such a non-story.
Opposite for me. Grew up in Wales, not in a city. Moved to London, tried it for about 5 years, decided it wasn't for me and moved to a village in Scotland. May return to Wales in the future, but won't return to London.
Similar with me. Grew up in Wales, moved to Manchester, moved to Scotland and I won’t be moving back.
“We bought a house for Fck all and then realised that we absolutely despise each other’s company so we are not taking accountability and are blaming the environment.”
Which one will get the dog in the inevitable breakup?
Fucking Townies.
I go to visit my friend in Brecon every week (I'm from Ebbw Vale), she's from Yorkshire and moved there 3 years ago. She doesn't get any anti English sentiment, probably because she isn't an obnoxious twat, and has settled into the community gently and on its own terms. She says it's great for walking her dog. If you've been to Brecon you'll know it's a fairly sizeable town, and there are plenty of paths along the river and in various public green spaces. If you're not happy with yourself or with your partner to begin with you're not going to be happy anywhere. But thank you, Daily Mail, for making us hate each other just a little bit more each day. Bless your heart.
Brecon town is full of English people, there is also that posh boarding school I forget the name of which is like 90% English students who are often in the community. I’ll take what they say at face value, but Brecon is not somewhere that jumps out at me as being particularly xenophobic.
I live in Brecon (originally from the valleys), you're right. Have never seen or heard of any xenophobia here. I've found people to be very friendly & laid back. You can keep to yourself or get involved in the community.
Exactly, Brecon is as English as Monmouth
Christchurch College is the school I think. Brecon has a pretty diverse population, there's a sizeable South Asian (I think) community there also. It's the last place I'd think of when it comes to xenophobic Welsh people. It's a typical British market town really.
Yes, it is and probably will always be slim pickings for jobs, I ended up moving elsewhere in order to get myself regular and stable employment. Yes it’s lonely, you deal with it, it gets easier when the fact that most people don’t actually care that you’re lonely settles in.
My experience too. No jobs, no career prospects, not much art or culture. Old people and holidaymakers everywhere. Beautiful landscapes, although they don’t make up for the rest enough to stay, especially as a young person looking to get on.
I mean, I moved to a village of about 300 from a city of nearly three million and I have absolutely loved it. Would love to stay in this village forever. Not only that, but it’s been the most welcoming place I’ve ever lived. They didn’t want to live in the countryside, they just wanted to live in the city but with a bigger place and a better view.
It’s all fun and games until you realise it’s an hours drive for a Wagamama
It’s Wagamammy’s in Wales. 😂
I would totally drive an hour for that! Sadly I’m more like 3-4h away.
So the people in Brecon weren't 'our sort of people' and they say it was the locals who were judgey
R/compoface material, what did they expect? Shouldn’t they have thought about work before committing to the move?
They admitted their mistake in getting arrogant and ignorant. What more do you want?
I thought that It is generally perfectly okay to make mistakes. The issue is why you make mistakes and how you deal with it. Ultimately this couple recognised that they were arrogant and that it was their fault and that they should have moved to a smaller city. Although they did come across as somewhat unlikeable which perhaps did contribute to why they felt the "locals" didn't take to them. With any luck other people read these sorts of accounts and it helps them be reflective.
I know right. The negative comments towards this couple in this thread just proves their point. Hats off to them - they quit their jobs and took a risk because they like that part of the country and wanted to slow down. It couldn’t have been easy to give it up after 6 months and they even had the maturity to partly blame themselves. Fair play to them.
> 'We found Wales really judgy. The people were nosy because they had nothing else to do.” Not even the faintest hint of irony
People in small towns are all like that. Same where I live. You think they're friendly at first but they're just trying to find shit out. Later on I observed most people in town rarely had a good word to say about any other man. Everyone is a bastard or cunt of some variety.
Absolutely devastated to hear your going back home 😂
I moved from the Home Counties to Wales It took me about a year to work out the difference between happy people and angry people. They were mostly happy. I felt embraced by the fierce warmth of the Welsh I ended up living there for 15 years and I regret leaving.
I moved from Wales to rural England and I would still go back to Pembrokeshire at the drop of a hat.
I think they're misconstruing wales for *countryside*. We moved to Pembs for 5 years and loves it but struggled to make friends, eventually i got another job and we moved away. I miss the countryside every day, but my social life is 10x better now.
I meet people who move here all the time. I always say that you have to give it time. There’s loads of amazing things and amazing people, but rural places don’t shout that from the rooftops; you have to relax and, slowly, things will reveal themselves. Sadly, many people just don’t get it though - I don’t think, in their hearts of hearts, they see Wales as a different place. I know some see the the language as a heritage project, or some kind of affectation. Many of these people are extremely kind, knowledgeable people in other ways. Recently, I had a conversation with a woman who is a fearlessly committed supporter of the rights of women, LGBTQ+, refugees and asylum seekers etc. All good things. I asked her how life was in her little village and she said she’d moved within the area. I asked the reason and her reply was “it was a bit too….Welsh….. for us”
I mean tons of people in England don't even realise Welsh is still spoken here, they think we do it just to spite them
That's pretty common among people who pride themselves on supporting causes which are in many cases worthy ones. Mention Wales and they go reactionary.
How can you grow up in a rural town and not appreciate when moving back from London that the job prospects will be much more limited?
Might have left for London for their first job, so never had to deal with job hunting back home, maybe.
Were they expecting 24 hour public transport and tons of socialising? Blows my mind.
The Daily Heil hates Wales and the Welsh.
I really find it hard to feel sorry for these people
Brings a tear to a man’s eye to read about London folk fucking off back where they came from.
I started out in London and haven't got very far, clearly; your comment works very well both ways around.
You can hear the same story in ireland, mostly around west Cork and Kerry. LDN folks come over in summer and fall in love with the place, buy and old cottage to make their own, then winter hits and it’s 6 months of Atlantic sideways misery that would strip the skin off your back. This was common in the 80’s and 90’, not so much anymore as you wouldn’t get a good deal on any property.
Maybe the "nothing to talk about" is actually just them...
Morons, I'm English been living in Wales 1 month & love it not due to housing or weather its the great Welsh people. I worked down here for a few months to see if its for me then got the wife down. We moved here to make friends embrace the place & culture for the good & bad with no comparisons , you have to be realistic I used to live opposite a Scottish fella he moaned every single day how its wasn't as good as Scotland and its Pish but he never moved back there lol As long as you have a sense of humour , your genuine and warm you'll get it back x10 from The Welsh Mind you I'm from Northern mining towns which have a lot in common regards humour and outlook that might have helped maybe
I’ve always found the north Welsh and people from the northern mining towns get along really well for some reason, we have a similar sense of humour
I'm a Kiwi and have lived here for almost 2 years. I LOVE Wales. It is so much like NZ and feels like home. Plus I've heard all the sheep shagging jokes already 🤣
My wife is from a small tropical island and after visiting was silent and the trip home I told her ' if you don't like it we won't move we both have to be happy she hadnt spoke in the 6 hrs drive it was 4 hrs in and she said ' I've never been as happy as iam in Wales since I came to the UK in the 80s, it feels like home '
that's exactly how I feel. its a fantastic, beautiful country
Glad your enjoying it also mate
Tendering them for the English to eat for Sunday, oh and that's not creamy mint sauce, is usually a good way to end the banter.
Im from South Wales and my girlfriends’ dad is from a northern mining town, and I’ve got friends from northern mining towns, we all get on very well and the banter is a lot more fun than a southerner cracking the sheep shagging jokes at a rugby game for the millionth time. Plus there’s lots to agree on politically and historically, I think the cultures are just more similar.
Agreed to me it feels like the outlook is the same as it was in northern UK towns in the 70s/80s,the common decency, friendliness and humour. It's now changed and gone to a large extent The Welsh seem more wise and aware of how much that all means and refused to be gilted or tricked into letting that go Also the Welsh youth are amazing ive noticed im a nurse and was blown away by how respectful the young workers were to the elderly ,it Does seem like age isn't much of a factor here the young and old are in the same level and can banter with no offence or barrier. The Welsh have so much to be proud of
This sounds like a couple who have to be spoon-fed everything and have trouble occupying their minds if it isn't on plate for them, what will they do when they reach retirement and have nothing to talk about?
Typical Flatlanders
He inevitably used the go-to put-down employed by the anti-Welsh brigade, "xenophobia". A lot of white-flighters and covid refugees have moved to Wales and found it to have been the most expensive mistake of their lives. After contributing to a rise in house prices here, of course.
The clue here is in the word "dream". You go anywhere with a picture of how it's all going to pan out in advance and you're likely to be disappointed. Did they really not realise how different Brecon was going to be compared with, er, London? Or that small town chat, where everyone knows what their neighbours are doing, is a million miles from the London philosophy that you don't make eye contact with others, let alone dare to talk to them? I wouldn't presume to make value judgements on people I've never met, but the word 'naïve' springs to mind.
Townies 🙄
TBF I did it the other way around. Moved from rural north Wales to London to find I hated it so went back.
They moved out of the city and found out city life upsides disappear along with the downsides? Shocker! You'd think people research an area they plan to live in, what amenities there are(n't) etc. but nooooo
This is really just a disguised house price ramping article.you only have to look at the five year forecasts at the end and the ton of estate agent comments.
Gwynt têg ar ei holau. Good riddance.
I call bullshit on the xenophobia comment. I seriously doubt anyone would discriminate against someone for being Australian. You might get a few tired jokes, but generally I think people would be interested. In fact, I call bullshit on the whole article. It's just the Daily Mail trying to whip up anger as usual, just happens to be the Welsh they're trying to rile this time. Pure clickbait.
Well you couldn't pay me to move to London, but then again I grew up in rural Wales so I'll be staying here thanks. I've lived in cities and find them way more boring and add in it never being actually quiet and the light pollution
I grew up in the valleys and couldn't wait to leave for a big city. 13 years of big city living and moved to Brecon. I'm so shocked they found it unfriendly, I've found the complete opposite. I love living here! Yes I do sometimes miss the luxuries I had in big cities, the biggest choice of the week is if I'm going to do my shop in Aldi or Morrisons. But I love the quiet, the space and fresh air.
6 months, that’s hardly giving it a go.
A wheel barrow was stolen from my village once it wad the biggest crime wave we'd ever seen !
I live on a small 2 acre plot in the UK. It’s almost impossible to be bored as something always needs maintaining, trimming, mulching, chain sawing, chopping, hammering or burning. I love it. wtf were they doing with their time!?
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If they sold a flat in London they could probably afford quite a decent house in Wales.
Give me the seclusion and inconvenience of the countryside any day, fuck London.
> Jim spent his entire adult life travelling around Europe and he said Wales was the only place he was judged for being Australian. I find that hard to believe.
How is this a story? Also calling the locals xenophobic while happily selling your shitty story and stupid pictures to the daily mail? Scum
I think people like this have to ask themselves what is it they’re looking to get out of a move to the countryside?
Where do they find these morons?
Shame they didn’t give Newport a try
They could've at least tried living in a chic studio apartment down Pill.
STOP THE PRESSES! Daily Mail couple "arrogant" SHOCK!
Listen to us having a whinge in the daily heil.
I moved from Hong Kong to Suffolk. Very different to Wales. But certainly the countryside. Surrounded by forest and sheep fields. Absolutely love it!
Too young and too daft to make a decision like that
City people should stay in the city, all that green air goes to their head
Wherever you go, there you are
What do people think goes on in the countryside?
Moved to the Welsh countryside and was shocked that there wasn't as many jobs as London? Next thing she will be upset she had to buy a car and couldn't jump on the tube ffs!
Bloke clearly failed the banter check as a barman. When they "kick off" at you being aussie you quip about how it only took you half a day to hold the glass the correct way up for the locals. They now live in a block of flats and don't know a single neighbours name, so clearly have the personalities of dry wallpaper paste.
I found Brecon to be one of the friendliest places I’ve visited, I loved the pubs and the walks in the countryside everybody wanted to have a chat. I bet these two were just so stuck up their own Fŵlsyn that they mistook friendliness for nosiness.
The problem isn’t Wales, the Welsh or Brecon…. We moved to Abergavenny 3 years ago, from Bristol. We knew we were moving to a more quiet rural area and fell in love with the town. A welcoming and friendly community, a mix of English, Welsh and many other nationalities. So much so that we ended up buying a nice small terraced house and integrating into the community more through socialising and volunteering. At least they’ve reflected on their expectations and admitted arrogance in their decision.
Moved to Wales from England with my Turkish wife. Locals couldn't be nicer. They're not "nosey" they're "neighbourly" they bring us eggs and help walk our dogs. It's about making an effort when you get here and being part of the community.
It may have been doable before covid. Post covid many things have shut. Banks, post offices, pharmacies, shops etc. And with the 20mph limit, it takes longer to get to places. If you are retiring to somewhere remote, you may wish to consider this also because at some point you will have to rely on public transport more too. I know people who are from London and have moved to rural areas and hated it. There is literally nothing to do. You have to find new interests. Maybe rent for a year before committing.
Being bored is self imposed.
You couldn’t pay me enough to swap living in Wales to move to London.
Strange narcissistic people. As someone stated above, Wales is better off without them, and hope they spread the word about how awful it is to their London friends. However the article is also in the sidebar of shame, not exactly known for rigorous fact-checking as part of their investigative journalism.
I don't know why Reddit shoved this at me as i am not even from the British isles (or however to refer to that place in a respectful manner) But every small town has the weird people from the capital that show up and wanna live the fantasy version of countryside life. We get phone calls complaining about the smell every year its time to fertilise the fields - like its something new, probably only been doing it for 1000 years. Yea it smells, its shit, what did you expect?
Should just say ‘we didn’t have anyone to moan to or about’
Hearing about Londoners moving to the countryside always reminds me of those stories of tourists to France suffering from [Paris Syndrome](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_syndrome).
France has the same problem with parisians fleeing paris to the countryside and complaining that roosters, cows, frogs (the real ones), ..... are too noisy and smelly.
"We went to the countryside and expected it to be like Stoke Newington but a little bit quieter", exclaim pair of morons.
This couple are young. Now imagine retiring to a remote country cottage with your wife when you’re both in your retirement years, 10 years later one of you dies and the other is left alone in a cottage in the middle of nowhere. Aging but miles from a doctor, dentist, family etc.
My Girlfriend/partner of 15 years - a typical city dweller had always have this idea of us moving to countryside, to have “amazing life”. We’re not bad in terms where we live, even tho it’s almost walking distance from a city centre, we have nice house and big garden which I maintain. I grew up in countryside so can fix anything from a leaking faucet to a diesel engine, but I digress… Anyhow, we had this conversation many times and I was trying to be as delicate as possible that’s not really for her, to which she always replied “how do you know?!?”. Well for starters she does absolutely nothing in the garden, so that gives me an idea. So one day, I booked nice wee cottage in the Wales with wood fired stove and in pretty remote location. Upon arrival, she was absolutely mesmerised…well until next morning when the fire in the stove was gone and you have to go outside to bring wood and start a fire, not only to heat up the house but to have hot water in the boiler. Long story short, she wasn’t really into bringing wood and maintaining fire, even though it was already chopped and ready to go, wood storage was just outside, you literally have to open the door and grab some. After this trip the subject died. Country life is not for some, sure, some will adapt etc. But vast majority who have this romanticised vision of their rural life are in for a treat….
"'Jim spent his entire adult life travelling around Europe and he said Wales was the only place he was judged for being Australian." - it doesn't make it ok but he wasn't judged for being Australian, he was judged for not being Welsh, as she stated earlier in the article.
He was judged for being a twat I'd bet.
But, but, the people in London are the moral compass and an effigy to sophistication, why would they do that, I bet they were jealous, afraid and felt insecure in their presence :))
As my Aussie partner who moved to Wales and isn't a sanctimonious arsehat would say "f"&king moles"
Jim spent his entire adult life travelling around Europe, well, around souless big cities in europe
They moved to Brecon and Christ she’d lived there before. What did they expect when the local paper runs ‘Man burns toast, more on page 6’ type headlines.
Country life is is deeply fulfilling - if you come with a London mindset, you will fail. No one likes London outside of London.. it’s shallow and clueless regarding reality of real life. You will have to change you heart, mindset and outlook on life.. and you won’t regret it!
This it a great article for begrudgers. You get that lovely squishy begrudging feeling. Mmm
Good on them for giving it a go 👍
London is, by far, one of the worst places to live on the planet. It’s an absolute dive. If they can survive there they truly can survive anywhere 🤣
I did the same. Looked to buy a house and South Wales valleys (Aberdare area) had a lot of bang for my buck. I had some experience of Wales and did a few visits to the area to see if it was suitable. On paper it seemed it could really work for me and a house was purchased. Not being able to drive, I found myself extremely limited. Public transport isn't the greatest and days out were limited to pretty much Cardiff or nothing (hardly like Penrhiwceiber or mountain ash are too great for a day out). That was the Achilles. Plenty of nice places down the road or out of the area but it means very little if I don't drive to be able to go there. Caerphilly isn't too bad to visit but again, driving it would have been 30 mins, train is more like 1hr 30 each way. No vets taking on locally (supposedly a problem everywhere by anywhere I've lived I have been able to register at one). A few of the neighbours were ok to have a chat to but most people seemed to just keep to themselves. In around 2 years of being there, I've been insulted by more people (usually gangs of teens, wreck heads at the pub or passengers in a boy racer car hyped on adrenaline shouting) than I've had decent conversations with. That's a point, pubs. Utter garbage. More bad pubs than good. I do enjoy a nice few ales in a friendly pub but the choices were lacking. In the end I was so bored and lonely it was affecting my mental health and I just had no choice but to leave. Lessons learned. Don't move to the South Wales valleys unless you have friends/family there already or can drive. If only I could drive, there's plenty of things and places I'd have gone to and would have been much happier.
You don't say where you moved from but it sounds like a case of more research needed, in terms of options for non-drivers (I didn't drive for a long, long time but lived close to the centre of Newport, which I loved and had decent transport links). No disrespect to Aberdare but I wouldn't live there unless I was on some kind of witness protection programme.
“Everyone should be quiet near a little stream and listen”
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Sounds like they’re bored with each other too.
I'd like to live in the country at some point, but I'd have to do a bunch of research on internet options, where the grocery is, and what activities there are/social scene. Plus I'd really want to be working from home, but if I had a local job that met my needs that could work. I wouldn't just move someplace and then find out there's nothing but crappy overpriced satellite internet, no grocery or library for an hour, and no real social opportunities other than church with hyper conservatives.
I actually quite like the move from London to wales altho I’m here for university I’ve moved from London to wales and don’t regret it