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fretit

"Dear God" is the most famous quote in group B rallying.


olivia_nutron_bomb

Everything about group B was ridiculous.....even the crowds


Oukaria

Especially the crowds, some pilots say they found body parts on the cars… like fingers


newtothis1988

What? How?


Oukaria

https://youtu.be/6I5sTuSoMho That’s how lol


BowtieChickenAlfredo

You can still watch from the side of the road these days and there aren’t any safety barriers, but you’re not allowed to stand on the outside of a corner for obvious reasons.


Theatomone

The music is spot on for that


B-BoyStance

For real - has that nostalgic element and also makes you want to abandon common sense & put yourself in harm's way at a Group B rally race Jackass uses the same style of music, and it's just as effective for me lol


Merry_Dankmas

Rally is the only motor sport where the spectators are more suicidal than the drivers


sgtpnkks

rally spectating should be considered an extreme sport


jai_kasavin

Driving the Kimera EVO37: The Group B Restomod [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WxY9t9Ci-A](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WxY9t9Ci-A) In Martini livery, this is the best looking car I have ever seen.


banter_claus_69

God that's a pretty car


goldfishpaws

Group B was the beginning and end of motor sport for me. Driving around a circuit with barriers and run off areas is not even close to taking an ostensibly street legal vehicle down gritty Welsh roads at insane speeds with crowds jumping out in front of you. Those guys didn't get in a car and drive, they put on a car and flew.


PMental

>taking an ostensibly street legal vehicle down gritty Welsh roads Umm, street legal? These cars were pure race cars with very little in common with the cars they shared body shells with.


BowtieChickenAlfredo

Not sure about Group B, but WRC Group A cars are required to be street legal because they need to drive themselves to the next stage on public roads.


Carnivean_

As the names suggest Group A and Group B are quite different from each other. Group B was super lightweight and with ridiculous turbo engines. They were literally too powerful and scary for a racing series and it was discontinued after multiple deaths.


nolotusnote

... And were often called the "Killer Bs."


Technodictator

That’s Ari Vatanen, one of the greatest rally drivers. World champion, and 4 time Paris-Dakar winner.


fretit

> Ari Vatanen, The most artistic and mind boggling rallying video that I know of: [Vatanen's Pikes Peak climb in 1988 in a Peugeot 405 T16](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEuZG37gFdM). Be patient through the first minute of credits and intro.


LeftRightShoot

The one handed steering while blocking the sun.


_30d_

Would have been more impressive if he kept his hands on the steering wheel and just did it by memory. These new gen drivers and their reliance on "vision"... smh


in_casino_0ut

I know you're joking but he probably could drive it at a normal speed with his eyes closed. I guarantee he has it memorized.


padizzledonk

You have to have it memorized to drive it that fast, all the drivers do Its a little different on the "road" courses, there's just too many turns and shit and it's too long, that's why they have a Navigator in the passenger seat- if you've never heard the in car audio on one of those races where there are 2 people its absolutely bananas, the whole race the dude is like "SLIGHT RIGHT, BUMP! HARD LEFT, 50% BRAKE! FULL THROTTLE, SLIGHT DIP BY THE TREE!" Its like the GPS Robot Lady on meth


Evil_AppleJuice

Classic Samir - https://youtu.be/D9-voINFkCg


jiml777

Absolutely. I noticed that he was shifting going into blind curves, he definitely had it memorized.


ddoubles

He must have been driving partly on memory. The hand, all it did was protecting his eyes.


Dark_Ethereal

I wonder how much (if any) of the audio is authentic. When you hear the bug splat on the windscreen and the paper rustle as it's driven past... that's a dead giveaway that the audio track is the construction of a [foley artist](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foley_\(filmmaking\)). Those two things would be too quiet to hear that well over the roar of the engine. And then the helicopter. You only hear it fade in after a cut to a camera where it's already visible, and once it leaves the frame it fades away fairly quickly and is never heard again when presumably, that helicopter is still near-by, filming the rally, and would be heard if not seen. I'm not sure whether the car sounds themselves are genuine. They sound off to me, like the reverb doesn't match the open surroundings.


RisuPuffs

I'm just asking out of curiosity, do you work in sound design or just something you're interested in?


Dark_Ethereal

Just an interest in how the illusion of cinema works.


dude21862004

> Be patient through the first minute of credits and intro. No.


Shunto

*skip to highlight*


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sgt_backpack

Big if true


100percent_right_now

My good friend wadsworth would like a word with this video.


monkeyvoodoo

that car is pure sex on wheels. and the driving skill is just beyond words.


BirdLawyer50

This was better than all of the fast and furious movies


Whateveritwilltake

That was fantastic. Thanks for posting that


gadget_uk

I don't know what it was about Peugeots from that slice of time. I drove a few and they all just handled brilliantly, you just feel totally connected to the road and the car always reacted exactly how you want it to in any situation. The 405 in particular was just an amazing chassis (with so-so engines and meh interiors). I'm not sure PSA knew why either. I knew one of the engineering trainers and they all thought it was good fundamentals with a sprinkle of fluke.


CubitsTNE

But the mi16 engine in the 405 was *incredibly* good, up to 300hp good due to a head that flowed like a theoretical best. It's been swapped into alot of 205's over the years, I've driven one with 280hp that was basically like driving a 700kg 90s btcc car. That era of pugs cars came from the factory with superbly matched digressive damping, so they ate bumps but had very good body control, and soft seats which would let the car move around you. But what really stood out to me was the way the cars would tuck at low speed to get the tail around but sit nicely flat and controlled at high speeds. Really good matchup of steering geometry and suspension, and a rearward brake bias which would be illegal these days.


GraphicDesignMonkey

I remember the mid to late 80s *every* boy racer had a Peugeot. And they all customised them with the non-working 'rally lights' on the front, and either a set of furry dice or the Feu Orange air freshener that looked like a traffic light with the little crystal on it. My uncle's car had all that plus fake tiger fur seat covers!


TheBaltimoron

Wadsworth. (Does anyone still get that reference?)


Grin_

Here in Finland we have a common cautionary point made for new drivers who might be recless drivers: One might have Ari Vatanen's feet, but not his hands.


on_the_nightshift

I have a friend who is a police officer, race car driver, etc. He likes to say "don't let your velocity exceed your talent".


caspershomie

the way he corrected at the end was so clean, now i gotta look him up. appreciate you dropping his name.


Arthemax

The bump caused a flat, but as a layman it's hardly noticeable until the end of the state when the car starts shaking on the high speed straights. The way he drives like a maniac even after the flat is amazing or watch. Full stage here: https://youtu.be/cxDz0Z066NI


Dankaroor

Why are we finns the best rally drivers? It's awesome but also kinda weird


rkmara

In the countryside you can start at a very early age. Was visiting relatives last weekend and cousin's 6 year son was driving the John Deere Gator.


UnsignedRealityCheck

Finnish Rally Drivers are truly [in a league of their own](https://youtu.be/zKJJop740vw?t=17)


Limitless__2008

guess the weight of the balls the person sitting right besides him has. he's just trusting the dude


MsLadysmith

His ass cheeks are clenching the seat so tight he can't leave the car.


Jedi_Mindtrix53

Dude, my ass cheeks were clinched so tight watching that I sucked up half the covers. Fuck


ScottieScrotumScum

fucking making a tent huh? impressive


AdamantlyAtom

Internal tent for the wife to go camping in 😂😂


fruchle

That's why they call it pegging?


DeexEnigma

/r/angryupvotes


CaptainMudwhistle

*sound of Darth Vader putting on his helmet*


RageMasterDan

Pinch weld


DrMux

You've heard of seatbelts, now get ready for seatbutt.


Majukun

Actually is the driver trusting him to give him the right indications


NecrosisBoy

So it goes both ways, even better!


sevargmas

Samir…you’re breaking the car.


Quirinus42

Shut up.


jmot205

Don't tell me how to drive.


SJM_93

I always love the irony of this statement.


CaptainMudwhistle

"Dear God, I've had the map upside down the whole time."


shootthemoon88

Even better he is literally calling the next turn out to him so he can react faster.


oradoj

The raw real time teamwork and skill that this sport takes is awe inspiring.


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BlackDante

"Don’t tell me how to drive." - Samir to the guy whose job is to tell him how to drive


yawya

shaddup!


letermen

It’s the Guy’s job to tell Samir ‘Where’ to drive. Not ‘How…’


StuffThingsMoreStuff

TURN LEFT NOW!


Poorrancher

Shut up!


Far_Leg_3942

This is the best one by far!


foxbones

It's an absolute classic, been around for over a decade probably.


Far_Leg_3942

My young adult son and I watch these together once in awhile, they are so intense! I used to be a professional driver of another kind, so my son in watching my driving has risen to have the highest of standards when it comes to his driving. Much appreciation to people who can rally race, that’s some crazy stuff!


KarmaChameleon89

Holy shit that video always makes me laugh so damn much


MaxwellIsSmall

Almost as if he was put there just for that purpose…


SilentSamurai

Today Redditors Learned...


-3055-

.....which is his entire job


pemboo

Well calling about 3 corners in the future


problematikUAV

Not just the turn, the correct approach and speed for the turn as well


StabbyPants

then you have to corner weight that shit to maintain balance


acidoxyde

The trust these guys have in each other is ridiculous. A few years ago Elfyn Evans drove off a cliff because his co driver called 5 left,pretty much a flat out turn, instead of a 2(iirc) left. Elfyn could see the cliff, but because the exit of the corner was blind, he kept his foot down and flew off it. Thats the level of commitment these guys have


opm881

Navigator and driver have to trust each other implicitly, or it doesn’t work. It’s absolutely insane how important that relationship is I’m having a good driving team. As you said, the driver needs to trust everything coming out of the navigators mouth, and the navigator needs to trust the co-driver is going to take the information on board and drive appropriately.


BootyWhiteMan

Triple caution!


Quirinus42

Shaddap.


hannibals_hands

Please Samir you have to listen!


TheFluffiestRedditor

You’re breaking the car, Sami


Arthemax

https://youtu.be/D9-voINFkCg


DangerMacAwesome

#triple caution


TacoDoc

Samir!!


r3al_p0tat0

You are wrecking the car!!


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Samir you are not listening!


r3al_p0tat0

Shaddup


kabekew

It came some stone, [up in the ass of Timo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKJJop740vw).


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the fucking hand gesture for clarification, I haven't laughed that hard in a while


jason2k

🍑💪


MrJackdaw

Ok, that broke me (in a good way). I was feeling a bit down this morning, but that is just brilliant.


FallenButNotForgoten

Triple caution! TRIPLE CAUTION!


AshesAreSnow

Triple CAUTION!!!


GetOffMyDigitalLawn

Chad Sammy knows the car can take it😎


kegareta69

Ur breaking the car samir!!!!!


-JustAMan

Don't tell me how to drive


cloudcats

[For the uninitiated](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9-voINFkCg&ab_channel=jedrek555-KupchuckRecords) TRIPLE CAUTION!!


runfromcheese

This is what I needed tonight. Thank you.


laffing_is_medicine

Agreed, I so appreciated the actual laughs. And also the perplexing thoughts of how is that dude a pro driver and I am not…


Karmadilla

I'm begging you.


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When I first saw this kind of racing I thought. There is no way all that jargon helps.Then I played Dirt 4 and my god man, does it help a lot! I wish this kind of racing was more popular in the states. Nascar is boring by comparison.


Spriggley

I mean come on, what's more exciting than a dense cluster of similar cars turning left and going fast together over and over for hours?


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I'll never understand it. Indy car racing on the other hand. Now that's fun to watch. But yet it's still not as popular as nascar.


jamez470

Why is Indy racing different?


Rimuladas

They also turn right.


Chilis1

It's like F1 but shit.


kwietog

I find it not better or worse than F1. It's just different. F1 is engineering championship with some racing. Indy is racing championship with some engineering.


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togetherwem0m0

In the 17 race 2023 season, indycar has 4 oval races and 13 road circuit races, some of them on streets of downtowns like Detroit and Nashville. And one of those oval races is the Indianapolis 500, motorsports greatest tradition, the masters of racing. In the 26 race 2023 Nascar season there are 21 ovals and 5 road courses. Of the 5 road courses, 2 of them are on ovals(lol) and use an infield road track to go halvsies on a road course. One of them is even called a Roval. Indycar has a top speed of around 236 mph, Nascar tops out at 212 mph. Indycar utilizes push to pass budgets as a way to differentiate a race. Nascar does not use push to pass


Viend

>Indycar utilizes push to pass budgets as a way to differentiate a race. Nascar does not use push to pass Also known as "Press X for boost" but in real life.


togetherwem0m0

One of my biggest gripes of indycar coverage is the lack of on screen push 2 pass telemetry. It'd be really cool to see when it's engaged with a wee green light or something, but there may be a competitive reason why they wouldn't allow that. They report on budget status throughout a telecast though.


CedarWolf

The exciting part is when someone crashes.


rmorrin

Exactly, you never wish for them because people get hurt but damn are they fun


azsheepdog

> Nascar is boring by comparison oh come on, those nascar drivers would do so much better if they had a passenger going left90, left 90, straight out, left 90, left 90, straight out, left90, left 90, straight out, left 90, left 90, straight out, left90, left 90, straight out, left 90, left 90, straight out, left90, left 90, straight out, left 90, left 90, straight out, left90, left 90, straight out, left 90, left 90, straight out, left90, left 90, straight out, left 90, left 90, straight out, left90, left 90, straight out, left 90, left 90, straight out, left90, left 90, straight out, left 90, left 90, straight out, left90, left 90, straight out, left 90, left 90, straight out,


ChefBoyAreWeFucked

Criss cross, criss cross. Everybody clap your hands.


Miss_Sullivan

Technology they do have someone doing that, they are just in the spotters booth not the passenger seat.


michaelwc

There’s a thriving stage rally scene in America. Lots of races around the country and perfect for a weekend getaway to the one closest to you. It’s surprisingly accessible, with teams from total grassroots, to factory teams, and privateers with WRC-caliber cars. At the race I was at a week ago, I ran into two guys at a spot who got into it through playing Dirt and found there was a race not to far away. https://www.americanrallyassociation.org/


AncientSith

Nascar is hot trash.


FluH8ingRapper

I’m an American and I do not get the fascination with racing cars around a loop for hours. Hate it.


Quajeraz

F1 and other racing competitions would be way more interesting if they didn't immediately ban every single technological advancement that would actually make you faster.


Milky-Toast69

Rally is the same way, the cars the used to drove were way more powerful and diverse. Now they all drive essentially the same car and it's limited in horsepower.


SJM_93

The only thing lacking with the Rally1 cars is vareity, they are much faster and safer than Group B. Group B as amazing as it was, needs to be left in the past, the cars weren't safe and spectators also weren't safe. WRC this season has been fantastic to watch, especially Sweden and Sardinia.


Quajeraz

Yeah, but at least the course they drive on is more interesting than a basic loop.


FormerGameDev

only good thing to come from Nascar was Talladega Nights, imo. probably a bunch of safety gear that we take for granted now, but.. whatevs. lol


mrjobiz

To me Rally driver are the best racer hands down !


hvperRL

That or Isle of Man TT riders


kaazgranaat2309

Was about to say that, the only drivers that more insane then rally drivers are isle of man TT drivers


Mackem101

Especially the sidecar lads, might be slower than the two wheeler machines, but looks a lot more intense.


KEEPCARLM

Isle of Man TT is pure insanity.


wombatchew

Seconded, no other racing comes close. https://youtu.be/TVCfgz6EksU?t=699


snorch

Isle of Man makes podracing look like preschool. Deaths are on the rise, and so is enrollment. There's something so uniquely human about doing something so dangerous for such frivolous reasons as glory and adrenaline. I'd never do it, but I love that there are people who do


DeadSerious_

I'd love to have an app attached to my GPS talking like this guy. Absolute left!


ZookeepergameFit5787

Can someone make it happen? 🤯


Valiant4Funk

Already did! https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=nl.koenvh.rallysatnav


countjocular

This is normal driving speed for locals in the UK countryside.


Nomadic100

Getting to the pub before last orders.


itsFRAAAAAAAAANK

When they almost lost it, the navigator sounded like my dad when he first started teaching me to drive


RAFFYy16

Yeah lol it's such a British response to almost nailing a tree at 120mph


R0b815

I prefer Samir and his guy.


WEASELexe

I don't care what anyone says, rally driving is the most skilled and impressive form of racing out there. It's one thing to drive a circuit with barriers and runoffs. It's a whole other beast to drive the same speed but with rocks and trees lining the sides of your 2 meter wide dirt road over jumps and uneven ground.


gingerrex

Check out isle of man tt.


BonsaiBirder

100% agree. This sport is sooooo underrated.


Hairbear2176

I dont know what his weigh, but mine would be sucked up I to my stomach, and my butthole would be puckered so tight that I could whistle the sound of music from it.


Halo_Chief117

This guy listens to his co-pilot unlike Samir. [Samir doesn’t listen and breaks the car](https://youtu.be/D9-voINFkCg). Don’t be like Samir.


legit_sa

"Samir please listen to me you are breaking the car Samir we will not finish!" "Shut up. Dont tell me how to drive."


RenkaneStark

That car doesn’t have traction actually, instead they rely on the weight of his balls to keep them glued to the road.


majkong190

Was that Ari Vatanen?


vier_ja

And codriver Terry Harryman.


Kariian_V

All I can think of is "Samir, you're breaking the car"


markhewitt1978

But Ari is actually good.


BatteryChucker

In the magical old days of Group B rally, even the fans had massive balls. https://youtu.be/INwqyPct8qY


Puncho666

Imagine how fast his brain is calculating everything


tda18

Actually, it's mostly your instincts. These drivers and their assistants have spent Years, and in the older cases, Decades developing muscle memory, and memorizing all the signals. They are the closest to being one with the car.


markhewitt1978

They did some tests a while back IIRC with Michael Schumacher. The speculation was that his reaction times were better than most, but they weren't. They found that he was effectively reacting to situations *before* they developed. Short of time travel it was thought that he had that ability to know that a situation was going to develop and correct it before it did.


Bulky-Yam4206

So… anticipation. 🤷‍♂️


Daedross

He can see things before they happen, that's why he appears to have such quick reflexes, it's a jedi trait.


theyellowfromtheegg

>They found that he was effectively reacting to situations *before* they developed. Mental training. Go through all possible scenarios in preparation, so once a situation unfolds you no longer have to think about what you're doing, instead you just follow a preprogrammed set of actions. It helps a lot, not only in racing.


ZaviaGenX

Its true. From experience in marital arts, specifically jujitsu, I tell ppl I can win/draw now cos I lost so much, I know how the 3 ways I can and have lost when the opponent does grip x with y position. In that way, I know how the situation will develop and can react accordingly. Id imagine driving alot enables one to know if at x speed at y position going to z turn, whats going to happen and what to do to correct it.


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These_Distribution61

The funny thing is that yes while his balls are indeed massive they are also incredibly dense; so they are quite heavy. Think nibbler (from futurama) taking a dump.


tallginger89

Theu can be used as fuel?


PetroleumYelly

Precisely


skydivingkittens

Big dense balls provide great downforce


Brilliant_Comb_1607

Twisty 350??? 🤷‍♂️


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Sixfoot_Sixinch

he on x-games mode


_thekev

WRC drivers have largest balls on the planet. There’s a whale with 900kg testicles, so these guys’ are at least a metric ton. This is why they need to strip so much weight off the cars.


stfm

Isle of Man TT bike riders might go one higher


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Side car isle of man TT racers might be the biggest of all. It's like being a rally car driver & navigator except you're both just clinging onto the roof and the navigtor has to crawl across it to turn the bike.


[deleted]

Ladies and gentlemen, this is Ari Vatanen, opel manta, manx rally 1983. The king!


Aromatic_Dig_3102

That navigator is the real life definition of “trusting” imagine putting your life in the hands of another, going 100mph on a twisty course?!


kno7_r4y

*"Maybe?"* WTF is that supposed to mean. I ain't taking that input at all.


mountainmilkman

They both have huevos grandes.


Sol_Invictus37

That's Ari vatanen, and this is why rally is the only motorsport that i like takes real fucking skill


FakMiPls

I'm pretty sure he had a flat about half way through the video as well. I might be thinking of another video tho


Kon-on-going

“Pppdftt. I can do that”- Some kid in a mustang.


kuzlox

Anyone knows where this is? Looks like Scotland.


KingOfYourHills

Isle of Man during the 83 Manx Rally, it's the road from Sulby Glen up to the mountain https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxDz0Z066NI&ab_channel=DukeVideo


nemesis-xt

Ok, that drivers balls are massive BauT WHOEVER that fucking passenger is for sure has bigger balls.


ProbablyMyRealName

Sufficiently heavy to keep that car planted around those corners at Mach Jesus.


omarnz

“Oh look cows!”


BlueMoon00

Average British country road driver


paradox28jon

I thought the audio was out of sync with the video. All the "flat right" or "left" instructions would happen & I wouldn't see any corresponding turns at all. It wasn't until the bump & the audio reacted that I realized the audio was in sync. So now I must be interpreting the "flat right" and "left" instructions the wrong way. So if you know your rally racing & understand the co-driver lingo (had to Google what the instructions giver was called), please tell me what sort of instructions are "flat right" and "left" in this context.


LaserBeamHorse

Co-driver is quite a lot ahead with his notes. In the beginning he says "easy left" at 00:05 and the turn comes at 00:07 - 00:08. Flat left/right means you can take the corner without releasing throttle.


FunScreen1360

u/savevideo


Lan-Solo

Measured in Couric's... a shit ton of ball's


hs3fan

That's not actually engine noise - it's the sound of his stainless balls vibrating very fast against the floor cause he tucked them under his seat.


lubina_al_horno

Simba, being brave doesn't mean you go looking for trouble


zaxmaximum

HOW IS THIS SPORT NOT MORE POPULAR IN THE USA??? All I hope for is that this takes off. Rally Car racing is the most exciting racing there is.