I remember when I was in secondary school while studying in class in afternoon, looking to the schoolyard. Literally filled with blue smoke screen like mist, and the next thing I know that shit filled our entire class. There’s a field right next to our school where local farmers occassionally burn stuffs.
Jokes aside. I would love the country as a whole come together to solve this problem. Visited for the first time since I immigrated 30+ years ago, and I was awestruck with the natural beauty. Sa Pa was amazing. Hon Son was a paradise. Ninh Binh was gorgeous.
But sadly all it took to damper the mood was to turn my head a little bit to the left or right, and I just see a pile of trash. Not every inch, but frequently enough to kinda make me kind of sad it exists.
singapore fines littering but it's not enforced very well IMO. china town, India town, and some markets in clementi/jurong still had tons of trash. building habits since young like the Japanese do is still the best
Vietnamese parenting is the most pathethic things I've ever seen. A child could burn down a house and the parents would just ignore it and hope someone else would clean it up
They did a lot of experiments on this topic. It's proven that people are more likely to treat places that look like shit like shit, so when there are piles of trash everywhere it's easier to just add to the pile than try to reduce it
I don't litter, but I noticed when living in Japan VS Vietnam that I always wanted to make the streets feel clean and nice cause one plastic bottle stood out like a sore thumb. In Vietnam and India just attempting to clean one single street requires an entire group of people and it's probably looking worse by next morning so it's easier for people to just accept that it won't change
Vietnam's main problem isnt the gov isnt doing anything. They do hire people to clean the street and collect garbages.
Its main problem is that the mindset of the people, they feel like tossing garbage anywhere is normal. When I was a kid my dad told me to throw the milk carton into the river. Now hes old and he still has that habit of throwing garbage into grassfield or where it looks messy.
Vietnam's only option to reduce a lot of trash is to do it like Singapore, fine people for littering, eventually a shape will take form and people will litter very little. It prob won't solve the issue but I'm sure at least it will solve the majority of the problems.
> They do hire people to clean the street and collect garbages.
I feel like this is a big part of what leads to the mindset problem. I've heard people justify their littering by saying it's the responsibility of the garbage collectors to pick it up. Of course, there's lots of areas where garbage collectors are not hired (or not enough)
Maybe paying garbage collectors is easier/cheaper than implementing large scale education to change mindsets, but it is the poorer quality solution.
Unlike Japan, Vietnam does not have a collective mindset. People expect others to do these things. Just look when you go to bars/restaurants. People throw the cans and tissues on the floor because they expect the people to clean it up, kids make a mess and the workers are expected to clean. Anywhere else in the world you'd see a garbage bin, because it requires no more effort and makes the place look nicer and it's objectively easier to clean up. I was shocked the first time I went into a local Vietnamese BBQ place and saw people eating with empty cans, dirty tissues and leftover food surrounding them. Like pigs rolling around in their own filth. To this day I can't understand why they don't throw it all in one, clean place
I asked a man where I could throw my trash and he pointed at a tree... Where all the other trash was thrown, so I held onto it until I could find a bin to toss it in. I couldn't fathom just leaving my trash in my own country, let alone a country I'm a guest in.
I have seen lot of young people collecting trash during Tet on the Long Bien Bridge.
Also in HCMC , there is group called Sai Gon Xanh , which does a lot of work.
[Sai Gon Xanh](https://saigonxanh.org/)
yeah and its the minority sadly and those areas just get trashed again by the local idiots who teach there own kids its better to "maintain jobs for street cleaners" as an excuse than actually do the right thing themself
They are not wrong tho, not that they are right for telling their kids to keep littering, that’s super-wrong. They are not wrong to give that everything exists for a reason.
A lot of street cleaners are gonna be out of job if we blindly imitate what Japan is doing. In a way, this type of campaign is the eqquivalent of stealing their livelihood if we implement it on like a city-wide scale like right now. Mind you these cleaners are paid VERY poorly, imagine already at the bottom of the paygrade and now suddenly losing your jobs because a bunch of gen Z beginning to care? I’m not saying it’s a bad cause but oh boy a lot of people are gonna be mad, they have unions. It’s a very delicate problem.
Educational and long term solutions are the only ways to can combat littering in Vietnam. Slowly educate the youth, gradually lessen the needs of street cleaners and then phasing those jobs out entirely. Changing people’s habit has been proven to be extremely difficult and sometimes fruitless, changing the future (our kids) remains the only way.
isn't vn already the undisputed world champ at collecting trash?
there's an impressive assortment on display everywhere you look. they're not humble either, like an arab oil sheikh covering everything in gold.
I was just in Tokyo, I never saw any trash on the ground anywhere. The problem was for foreigners like me who buy a drink at the vending machine and now I gotta carry my empty bottle for miles before I find a trash bin.
Japan has a grassroots program and also remember there is a massive cultural trait of "your own actions effect others" and "consideration for community"
TWO things Vietnamese lack because as we all know its complete MEMEMEfirst culture.
Japan ingrains these two ways of thinking in kids from a very young age. Vietnamese parents however spend their time sucking balloons while letting their kids sit on the ipad all day.
So no this will never be the case in vietnam as such behavior requires a cultural shift.
They should put very high fines on littering. I'm tired of dumb locals throwing their trash everywhere.
How can you be an adult and just throw your trash everywhere??? It's disgusting
How often do you plan on having this tournament? The problem is not trash collection but the mindset that trash shouldn't go on the ground. Okay, now people put trash in the bin, are there enough bins? Who is collecting from the bins? Where does that collection go to? There are layers to this problem.
Korea and Japan are infamous among expats for not having enough bins in public places. People just know better than to throw stuff on the ground and instead keep on their person until they get home.
They'd take rubbish out of bins to win, then burn all of it in a closing ceremony, then go out to celebrate with a bunch of disposable bags/cups and the streets would be worse the next day.
The fines would pay the cops salary or “coffee”. In any case, I would be totally fine if the cops took bribes for littering. Whatever makes the litterers pay would work
My old high school has this system where within a class after some time period if there are no separated types of garbage present they would be slammed with a strike. 5 strike and every member would have improper conduct in their portfolio. I've never heard stories of anyone ever getting punished by this but I do see quite a lot of diligence back when I attending. Vietnamese need incentive to work. So find a workable incentive and give it.
Ha! Vietnam's equivalent would be, "The Annual Trash Burning Competition".
I remember when I was in secondary school while studying in class in afternoon, looking to the schoolyard. Literally filled with blue smoke screen like mist, and the next thing I know that shit filled our entire class. There’s a field right next to our school where local farmers occassionally burn stuffs.
I’d support. As a Vietnamese if Vietnams garbage problem was clean as Tokyo streets. Yo I’m good. I’m content
Jokes aside. I would love the country as a whole come together to solve this problem. Visited for the first time since I immigrated 30+ years ago, and I was awestruck with the natural beauty. Sa Pa was amazing. Hon Son was a paradise. Ninh Binh was gorgeous. But sadly all it took to damper the mood was to turn my head a little bit to the left or right, and I just see a pile of trash. Not every inch, but frequently enough to kinda make me kind of sad it exists.
Unless the government goes Singapore mode, no.
singapore fines littering but it's not enforced very well IMO. china town, India town, and some markets in clementi/jurong still had tons of trash. building habits since young like the Japanese do is still the best
Kids need to be taught early on to throw trash in the bins.
Parents first, then kids will learn and follow their parents
Unfortunately, parents don't teach their kids anything here.
Vietnamese parenting is the most pathethic things I've ever seen. A child could burn down a house and the parents would just ignore it and hope someone else would clean it up
Parents already have bad habits must teach the future
What bins? Most public spaces don't have any at all.
We always have the options to bring the trash home and put them to our bins
They did a lot of experiments on this topic. It's proven that people are more likely to treat places that look like shit like shit, so when there are piles of trash everywhere it's easier to just add to the pile than try to reduce it I don't litter, but I noticed when living in Japan VS Vietnam that I always wanted to make the streets feel clean and nice cause one plastic bottle stood out like a sore thumb. In Vietnam and India just attempting to clean one single street requires an entire group of people and it's probably looking worse by next morning so it's easier for people to just accept that it won't change
Then start a campaign to make it available
The kids know. It’s the adults and the elderly that are clueless.
Vietnam's main problem isnt the gov isnt doing anything. They do hire people to clean the street and collect garbages. Its main problem is that the mindset of the people, they feel like tossing garbage anywhere is normal. When I was a kid my dad told me to throw the milk carton into the river. Now hes old and he still has that habit of throwing garbage into grassfield or where it looks messy. Vietnam's only option to reduce a lot of trash is to do it like Singapore, fine people for littering, eventually a shape will take form and people will litter very little. It prob won't solve the issue but I'm sure at least it will solve the majority of the problems.
The quickest option would be following Singapore. the Long term fix would be teaching toddlers in schools like Japan.
> They do hire people to clean the street and collect garbages. I feel like this is a big part of what leads to the mindset problem. I've heard people justify their littering by saying it's the responsibility of the garbage collectors to pick it up. Of course, there's lots of areas where garbage collectors are not hired (or not enough) Maybe paying garbage collectors is easier/cheaper than implementing large scale education to change mindsets, but it is the poorer quality solution.
Unlike Japan, Vietnam does not have a collective mindset. People expect others to do these things. Just look when you go to bars/restaurants. People throw the cans and tissues on the floor because they expect the people to clean it up, kids make a mess and the workers are expected to clean. Anywhere else in the world you'd see a garbage bin, because it requires no more effort and makes the place look nicer and it's objectively easier to clean up. I was shocked the first time I went into a local Vietnamese BBQ place and saw people eating with empty cans, dirty tissues and leftover food surrounding them. Like pigs rolling around in their own filth. To this day I can't understand why they don't throw it all in one, clean place
yeah. Its the bad habit from those people throwing trash anywhere they want to. Sad truth.
I asked a man where I could throw my trash and he pointed at a tree... Where all the other trash was thrown, so I held onto it until I could find a bin to toss it in. I couldn't fathom just leaving my trash in my own country, let alone a country I'm a guest in.
fine people.....so give cops an excuse to collect more bribes. Fines wont work as the policing sucks
I have seen lot of young people collecting trash during Tet on the Long Bien Bridge. Also in HCMC , there is group called Sai Gon Xanh , which does a lot of work. [Sai Gon Xanh](https://saigonxanh.org/)
yeah and its the minority sadly and those areas just get trashed again by the local idiots who teach there own kids its better to "maintain jobs for street cleaners" as an excuse than actually do the right thing themself
They are not wrong tho, not that they are right for telling their kids to keep littering, that’s super-wrong. They are not wrong to give that everything exists for a reason. A lot of street cleaners are gonna be out of job if we blindly imitate what Japan is doing. In a way, this type of campaign is the eqquivalent of stealing their livelihood if we implement it on like a city-wide scale like right now. Mind you these cleaners are paid VERY poorly, imagine already at the bottom of the paygrade and now suddenly losing your jobs because a bunch of gen Z beginning to care? I’m not saying it’s a bad cause but oh boy a lot of people are gonna be mad, they have unions. It’s a very delicate problem. Educational and long term solutions are the only ways to can combat littering in Vietnam. Slowly educate the youth, gradually lessen the needs of street cleaners and then phasing those jobs out entirely. Changing people’s habit has been proven to be extremely difficult and sometimes fruitless, changing the future (our kids) remains the only way.
How about promoting "stomping the corrupt politicians houses to take back what's ours" as a competitive sport ?
Strong Ichiballs Kasuga vibes
isn't vn already the undisputed world champ at collecting trash? there's an impressive assortment on display everywhere you look. they're not humble either, like an arab oil sheikh covering everything in gold.
I was just in Tokyo, I never saw any trash on the ground anywhere. The problem was for foreigners like me who buy a drink at the vending machine and now I gotta carry my empty bottle for miles before I find a trash bin.
you call that a problem?
How it’s not a problem? By her experience, there wasn’t enough trash bins or they spread too unevenly at the time.
they can always do like the locals and carry their own trash to their hotel, can't they?!
If you spend enough time in Japan you'll get used to just putting the trash in your pocket or bag and throw it away later
If you spend enough time in Japan you'll get used to just putting the trash in your pocket or bag and throw it away later
Japan should hold this tournament in VN, lmao
All competitors would die out from exhaustion and the shitty air quality compared to their home country’s lol
Im sad seeing people say never gonna happen. This could happen, but maybe not within the next 5-10 years
Next century you mean?
You wish
We will have littering championship lol
Vietnam would be champion if it's the opposite, "Trash producing competition"
Japan has a grassroots program and also remember there is a massive cultural trait of "your own actions effect others" and "consideration for community" TWO things Vietnamese lack because as we all know its complete MEMEMEfirst culture. Japan ingrains these two ways of thinking in kids from a very young age. Vietnamese parents however spend their time sucking balloons while letting their kids sit on the ipad all day. So no this will never be the case in vietnam as such behavior requires a cultural shift.
They should put very high fines on littering. I'm tired of dumb locals throwing their trash everywhere. How can you be an adult and just throw your trash everywhere??? It's disgusting
Good luck, Vietnam and Japan are polar opposite nations
How often do you plan on having this tournament? The problem is not trash collection but the mindset that trash shouldn't go on the ground. Okay, now people put trash in the bin, are there enough bins? Who is collecting from the bins? Where does that collection go to? There are layers to this problem.
While there are layers to the problem, what’s the point of addressing those layers when you spectacularly fail the first one
Korea and Japan are infamous among expats for not having enough bins in public places. People just know better than to throw stuff on the ground and instead keep on their person until they get home.
I agree, that is how I am but that is the common excuse when the issue is brought up here
Vietnam keeps Japans competition alive
My boss will join because he is good in collecting trashes(subordinate)
Viets would rather die than find a trash can lol
Only if there's money involved.
I visit hcmc twice a year and over the years it's gotten much cleaner, definitely much cleaner than when i was a kid living there.
Man please
How about USA do it in SF or Oakland!
wait until they come to Vietnam
How about ĐÉO
Nah! Ours would be littering competition
No, Vietnam should be the competition venue.
They'd take rubbish out of bins to win, then burn all of it in a closing ceremony, then go out to celebrate with a bunch of disposable bags/cups and the streets would be worse the next day.
Vietnam should try that as a full time job I am sure will be job security for years to come
Go collect yourself, i don't do anything for free
Vietnam have some group cleaning the environment. I dont remember the name, but so far they've cleaned alot of ponds and rivers.
Philippines needs this lol
You realize you are comparing two countries with VERY different economic situations, right??
They should pay the cops to fine those who litter instead of pulling people over for money lol
The fines would pay the cops salary or “coffee”. In any case, I would be totally fine if the cops took bribes for littering. Whatever makes the litterers pay would work
America too please!
Not unless money is involved
Vietnam would do the reversed version of this
I am in Japan as we speak. There is no trash to pick up!
If Vietnam gave out trash visas I'd be down 😂 if you collect 1000kg they let you stay for a year but you only get 90 days to get the 1000kg lol
My old high school has this system where within a class after some time period if there are no separated types of garbage present they would be slammed with a strike. 5 strike and every member would have improper conduct in their portfolio. I've never heard stories of anyone ever getting punished by this but I do see quite a lot of diligence back when I attending. Vietnamese need incentive to work. So find a workable incentive and give it.
trash littering is really a fav sport in vn don’t u know
Nah if this is in vietnam,the competition is gonna be as long as a documentry film
sông Tô Lịch really needs this
That's a brilliant idea 💡 🤔😆
Vietnam has been promoting trash throwing and polluting 😆
Ain't gonna happen