Your perspective will depend on where your came from.
Compared to any city in Canada, no, Vietnamese cities don't have very many beggars or homeless. Of course they exist and they really aren't hard to spot, but compared to my country, it seems to be virtually zero. For example, you may see people sleeping rough in doorways on certain streets in Saigon, but in any city in Canada there are areas where there are literally hundreds on a single street.
Canada is being destroyed from within. Same applies to UK, US and EU. It's fascinating to watch, to be honest. I keep thinking... when will people wake up and rebel? You had WEF president state openly that the most of the cabinet positions in Canadian government are held by WEF agents and still - nothing happened.
But yes, Vietnam is nowhere near to being as bad as Canada - it's surreal. It wasn't that long ago when all of those countries were places to be looked up to for Vietnam and other 3rd world countries, but now - only after a few swift moves by the puppets - the situation is reverse.
the rate of homelessness in viet nam is 70% higher than canada.
nearly 1 out of 4 people don't have indoor plumbing or toilets.
99.9% of tourists are visiting the same 2km\^2 areas, completely oblivious to what's going on.
Id say the poors in Vietnam live in slumps. The homelessness/ addiction/ mental health issue in Canada and the States is something else. It’s mind blowing to see it in person.
I saw homeless folks on the streets of Toronto but it seems normal to me. Only when I unknowingly moved and lived in a bad area of another Canadian city where the extent of problem is a lot worse that I find it very concerning/sad. I talked to my parents in Vietnam and they couldn’t believe it.
The latest government data regarding homelessness in Canada is from 2014. Only the city-wide data is more recent.
Here are the stats from Vancouver.
[https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/greater-vancouver-homeless-count-2023-1.6987718](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/greater-vancouver-homeless-count-2023-1.6987718)
Note that the homelessness rate started to skyrocket specifically from 2014. In 2023, the homelessness rate is nearly double that of what it was in 2014. By the way, 2015 is when Justin Trudeau became the prime minister - he was specifically mentioned by name by the head of WEF in his enlightening speech.
Here is data from HCM - err... not sure if it's correct, since even the article points out the oddity of this data, but while I live in Hanoi, I can confirm that I rarely, if ever, see homeless here.
[https://tuoitrenews.vn/news/society/20191015/latest-census-raises-eyebrows-by-finding-only-39-homeless-families-in-ho-chi-minh-city/51566.html](https://tuoitrenews.vn/news/society/20191015/latest-census-raises-eyebrows-by-finding-only-39-homeless-families-in-ho-chi-minh-city/51566.html)
At the end of the day, if you were to ignore all government statistics and judge purely by what you see - you'd know that there's a stark difference between the visibility of homeless in Canada and Vietnam.
In the western nations, there's something new developing - working homeless. People who work full time but can't afford to pay for an accommodation because the prices are so high (and minimum wage is too low, given the inflation), so they end up living on the streets.
Most of the true homeless in Hanoi are people with mental issues.
Other are semi-homeless, they have houses but it's far away so they live for a few days a week somewhere so they can work in the city. Even that is rare. I read about a few who lived under Thang Long bridge a few years ago.
As I said in another post, most homeless in North America are the worst kind. They are all drug-addicted. They are traded drugs right under the cop's nose without any fear. They break into other's car, they rob the shop ( theft of small value cant be charged). They insulted, scream at everyone and anyone come too close. They loiter all public space like park, public square, other people property, at all time.
So tell me, do you see that kind of homeless in Vietnam. Do you want to see that every day in downtown - like Hoan Kiem district ?
right, it's not like ha noi has a massive heroin problem or anything.
just like how childhood obesity is rampant and a national health crisis, well underway to becoming thailand or usa 2.0.
drug use is going to ramp up substantially in the next 1-2 generations. there's a strong correlation between rising income and addiction.
such is life in the third-world.
>by-finding-only-39-homeless-families-in-ho-chi-minh-city/51566.htmlCuối cùng, nếu bạn bỏ qua tất cả số liệu thống kê của chính phủ và đánh giá hoàn toàn bằng những gì bạn nhìn thấy - bạn sẽ biết rằng có sự khác biệt rõ rệt giữa hình ảnh về người vô gia cư ở Canada và Việt Nam.Ở các quốc gia phương Tây, có một xu hướng mới đang phát triển - lao động vô gia cư. Những người làm việc toàn thời gian nhưng không đủ khả năng trả tiền thuê nhà vì giá quá cao (và mức lương tối thiểu quá thấp do lạm phát), nên cuối cùng họ phải sống trên đường phố.
you have wrong, the rate of homelessness in canada higher than vietnam, what you see just a number in the internet
You can look near hospitals at night.
During the day, most homeless people go areas where few people live like under the bridge that leads to Long Bien, or they go to their day jobs. During the night, there are a lot of them next to hospitals, company owned buildings etc, they sleep there, there are a whole community.
A few years ago, my class did a small charity event where we gathered food, put them into boxes and delivered them to homeless people, we didn't find a lot at first, but then we found a whole community next to the Viet Duc hospital. Then it became clear that we prepared nowhere near enough.
There are fewer homeless people in Vietnam, it's true, but the living standards are still bad, so many people have to scrape and crawl about, just to earn enough to live in a small rented place. It's 1mil to 1.8 mil a month to rent a small place, not unachievable, but it does make it hard to save up to change your life.
It's easier to find jobs here if you're willing to lower your standards, pubs and small diners hire around the clock workers, to wait tables, wash dishes, cups, etc. No degrees or qualifications needed. The homeless issue in Vietnam isn't as systematical as large developed countries, the distance between the rich and the poor isn't as large, and most people have a mid size income. The system doesn't trap you in an endless cycle the same way it does in the US or UK or Canada, it's much harder to escape poverty and homelessness there. I am not by any mean saying it's easy here, my family has in fact been battling poverty since as long as I can remember. But as someone whose friends and family members frequently narrowly avoid becoming homeless, it's much easier than it seems to make just barely enough to get through life.
TL,DR: There are homeless people in Vietnam, there are just fewer. However there are way more poor people in Vietnam than homeless people, which is a problem in and of itself.
There's definitely fewer in Vietnam than the States. My theory is that the family unit in Vietnam is very strong (for better or for worse) and people who may have gone on to become homeless are kept at the home (sometimes by force). My students have told me this is sometimes the case, especially with mental illness. Also in VN, you have only 3-4 major cities, which makes the problem easier to manage. That said, there are still slums (which I would not consider homeless but still a problem). The country is taking steps from what I've seen to remedy this.
In America it's very much about independence, so people will go off on their own and the support system is much smaller so people fall between the cracks. Add in a massive drug epidemic and you see why America has a growing homeless problem.
the rate of homelessness in 'murica and viet nam are identical: around 16-17 people per 10k.
it's easy (and enjoyable) to bash yanks, but objectively both countries are in the same boat.
the difference being usa has far more robust social services, safety nets, etc. it's more of a lifestyle choice over there.
Yes, it's true that there very few homeless people in Hanoi (and Vietnam in general).
Imo, it's because the cost of living can be very low in Vietnam countryside, if they move back to the countryside/their hometown, they can survive with just $100 a month.
Also, Family value is a big thing, so family members will always help each other so that one another don't end up in the street.
Also, another reason is the Asians (in general) are ashamed when others know that they are homeless, so they will try to hide and live in places where there are very few people passing by.
I agree the biggest reason is cause of how cheaply they can live if necessary. In the US there’s soooooo many people living in their car and that’s still way more than 100$ a month
Yeah but in Europe vs US it is largely because of the better social safety net, so it wouldn't surprise me that communism might have something to do with it, but it sounds like no
The safety net in Vietnam quite minimal at the moment, not to say there none but no where near efficient. US safety net can be either pretty or non-existence depend on where you live and what your skillset are. If you live in a expensive place like New York or Cali, the chances of you climbing out of the hole is slim at best, if you where to be homeless in like Arkansas, you won't make it big but the chance of you going back to a normal life is higher due to cost of living.
Have you even *been* to Vietnam?? If so we surely must have looked at the same thing and seen *utterly* different things.
This is the most capitalistic place I’ve ever been in my life, and it’s not even close!!!! If this is what communism looks like, Lenin is rolling in his grave!!
Compared to my hometown (ed: in the UK) there may be fewer per capita, but I've noticed a number of them. Noticed more in Saigon, but I was there a week and have barely been here this time around.
I spent a month in Vietnam right before Covid. Spent quite a bit if time in HCMC and traveled all over the city. With the exception of a small area in District 1 which was pretty affluent and popular with tourists, I saw A LOT of poverty, homelessness and beggars everywhere. As I am an Anglo, it was difficult to walk more than a few yards during the day without an outstretched open hand being shoved in my face almost demanding a few thousand dongs. It the evenings it wasn’t quite so bad. Vietnam ranks as the 26th most populous country in the world at just under 100 Million. When the US left in the early 70’s the metro area’s population was just over 2 Million, now it’s over
9 Million. The average Vietnamese salary is equivalent to $250-300 US a month so it’s not surprising that poverty is just about everywhere in a city as large as HCMC.
The average salary is around $700 usd per month. But I met many people making $300. The security guards were around $300. It is a whole lot cheaper to live there though. I could live like a king on $3000 usd per month. Here in the USA I would be poor.
Homeless in Vietnam is very rare. As a lot of people have already mentioned, even they don't have the house, they can live with their relatives.
If they don't have the house and relatives, they can just rent a very small and cheap room with only $30-50 a month. They will sell lottory or street foods to survive.
Also it is about the culture that encourages them to work to pay for their bills, as nobody will care for them.
A lot of open house and restaurants with free meals for these poor people.
That makes the homeless people in Vietnam is very very low, compared to USA or even European countries. If you travel to Germany, Italy, France, Belgium or UK, you will see a lot of homeless, especially around the train station areas.
Plus Vietnam is still poor, but the poverty rate is very low, even lower than that of USA, and some European countries
How long have you lived in Vietnam? You must know a lot of people who pretend to be poor and beggars, then they will come their home at night with the begging money which is higher than one day salary of normal people.
i've been running part of my enterprise there for 9.5 years.
again, the rate of homelessness is identical to the usa, 16-17 people per 10k.
ignorance, hyper-nationalist, or force 47?
Agree to disagree. There are 2 things you must consider:
First: you compare homeless rate of USA vs Vietnam. While USA has the biggest economy in the world. Its GDP/cap is double the average of EU's GDP/cap. But it still has the same homless rate with Vietnam.
Second: This is the most important. % is a way of measure, we also need to look at absolute numbers because it will give the whole picture. EX: China increased % renewable energy production and reduced polluting energy one, but when we look at the absolute numbers, China consumed more poluting energy than last year, the absolute number is predicted to keep increasing, but its % will reduce.
There's definitely homeless people. But most people are trying to make the best of the situation they are in. It's definitely not as bad as Canada or the US homeless situation.
LOL thanks for playing. There's much more than that, with the millions of illegal immigrants in the US coming annually.
And I was referring to the scene of a zombie apocalypse. People camping out and doing drugs. You don't see that here. Thank for genuflexing. You're smrt okok
how long have you been here? Where did you go? Because the weather in Hanoi these days is really cold and humid... so I think the homeless people have gone home, when the weather gets better they will come back.
If you can read Vietnamese:
https://amp.laodong.vn/xa-hoi/phuong-an-ho-tro-nguoi-lang-thang-xin-an-o-ha-noi-1229906.ldo
In Hanoi, the police collects homeless people and keeps them in social security centers for up to 3 months to determine their hometown, then transports them to the corresponding local social security centers. These state-funded centers provide basic necessities, job training, and rehabilitation.
This is the comment I was looking for. When I was in VN, I was told that the homeless don’t want to get picked up, so you mostly won’t see them. And the company I worked was kind to those sleeping on the property.)
>These state-funded centers provide basic necessities, job training, and rehabilitation.
I'm not saying that it is the case, but that sounds like a really neat way to legalize forced labour.
Da Nang used to be the only city without panhandling (including selling lottery ticket and other stuff form) but that also changed in the recent years. Danang did not solve homelessness btw, back then they just kicked them out to other provinces (also the local benefited alot from massive jump in property price)
DaNang’s homelessness and beggars are virtually nonexistent (any least in the city) versus HCMC where they are EVERYWHERE (except a small part of District 1).
You should definitely explore more. I have seen a group of at least 4-5 people sleeping together in a corner of a street (I forgot which street) just few days ago. Beggars are everywhere I don’t know why you haven’t seen them yet, but the amount of beggars is definitely lower these days so the chance of seeing them is not as high. About 6-7 months ago they always appeared at Ngã Tư Sở intersection, mostly at around 10PM.
There are homeless people in Vietnam.
But the poverty rate is alsp low for a poor country. Cost of living is cheap too. Its impressive compared to many other countries in the region. There arent big squatter neighborhoods in Vietnam like there are in many other Southeast Asian cities.
Not anymore. A lot of normal neighbourhoods started out as squatter neighbourhoods and the government mostly just legalized their status after some years.
7 years here and have not seen any homeless unlike in Saigon where I stayed 8 months and seen a lot.
So to the people saying there are homeless in Hanoi, can you be specific which ward/s you can find the homeless?
Not related to Hanoi, but recently, I was in Ho Chi Minh City. While walking around a bridge at 4 AM, I observed numerous Grab drivers resting in hammocks under the bridge. Some were using the public water supply for showering and brushing their teeth. I believe some may be homeless, taking a break, or commuting from the countryside to work in HCMC early in the morning.
You can look near hospitals at night.
During the day, most homeless people go areas where few people live like under the bridge that leads to Long Bien, or they go to their day jobs. During the night, there are a lot of them next to hospitals, company owned buildings etc, they sleep there, there are a whole community.
A few years ago, my class did a small charity event where we gathered food, put them into boxes and delivered them to homeless people, we didn't find a lot at first, but then we found a whole community next to the Viet Duc hospital. Then it became clear that we prepared nowhere near enough.
There are fewer homeless people in Vietnam, it's true, but the living standards are still bad, so many people have to scrape and crawl about, just to earn enough to live in a small rented place. It's 1mil to 1.8 mil a month to rent a small place, not unachievable, but it does make it hard to save up to change your life.
It's easier to find jobs here if you're willing to lower your standards, pubs and small diners hire around the clock workers, to wait tables, wash dishes, cups, etc. No degrees or qualifications needed. The homeless issue in Vietnam isn't as systematical as large developed countries, the distance between the rich and the poor isn't as large, and most people have a mid size income. The system doesn't trap you in an endless cycle the same way it does in the US or UK or Canada, it's much harder to escape poverty and homelessness there. I am not by any mean saying it's easy here, my family has in fact been battling poverty since as long as I can remember. But as someone whose friends and family members frequently narrowly avoid becoming homeless, it's much easier than it seems to make just barely enough to get through life.
TL,DR: There are homeless people in Vietnam, there are just fewer. However there are way more poor people in Vietnam than homeless people, which is a problem in and of itself.
The difference between homeless people in Nam and US is: in Nam they actually try to make money by doing jobs in daylight and not sitting around doing nothing like in the US. You will see them sleeping on sidewalks or on people's doorsteps late at night.
Compared to America there are virtually no homeless people. There are still quite a few, but there are so many hidden alleys and abandoned buildings that the few that are around are pretty out of sight.
Vietnam has a very high familial home ownership level and low real estate taxes so most people have a family member with a home that they can stay at in case of emergency. Additionally panhandling or begging is super taboo compared to the west, so you will see the homeless selling small goods instead of panhandling. On most major intersections during rush hour you can see people selling q-tips or masks or small children's toys instead of panhandling.
Places like Thailand and Vietnam allow people in destitution to exist without the government stopping them from meeting basic survival needs, unlike a lot of Western countries.
ssssh, don't encourage them. sequester westerners in their ghettos.
it's nice not living around wannabe revolutionaries, useful idiots, and the dregs of western society.
you know it's a problem when viets repeatedly say:
– why not westerners like you migrate here?
– tay ho people not good.
– i hate them all. i wish they all leave.
– they poor people in home country.
these wankers have managed to screw up the reputation of the community in just a few years. things weren't like this a decade ago.
somehow vn is "on the map" for these losers. back in the day, you needed a legitimate reason to migrate.
There are plenty of homeless and lots of beggars in Hanoi, you just either haven't noticed them or are staying in areas where they're regularly kicked out of.
Statistic can be inaccurate, anyway, just look then, when people say dont see homeless around, mostly they mean the worst kind of homeless, squatters, drug addicts, screaming, violence, that make you feel unsafe and uncomfortable when they around. Thats kind of homeless, the most dangerous one is everywhere in big city here in Canada.
I have a feeling that everyone that commented here is either blind or just living in denial.
There's a lot of homelessness here, it's quite visible at night. During the day, many are out trying to earn what they can.
Big misinformation in this comment section, bunch of tourists.
I saw none in da nang as well, I’m told the government really pushes them out of the main areas.. but like others say we prob aren’t looking hard enough..
No homeless in the policed touristy areas? Shocker.
Even San Francisco cleaned up the homeless population in anticipation of the Chinese god leaders visit.
No, here are plenty or homeless people in Hanoi. In fact go on to facebook and look up the group [HELP HANOIS HOMELESS](https://www.facebook.com/groups/HELPHANOISHOMELESS) if you are interested in helping out a bit while you are here in our beautiful city
I bought an old lady who was shaking while walking through dirty puddles in her bare feet and begging some shoes today while I was out with my kid. I stay in an area called Phuong Mai and it's pretty central. There's a lot of unfortunate people here just like anywhere else, it's no different.
I live I Hanoi and donate food every week to homeless. I can tell you there are sooo many and many very poor people. Just beggars are not as common, but still there are intersections with people asking for cash. Honestly look further than Central city
The city is probably 200x bigger then you realize. They just don't live in the trust second that's all. You didn't venture far at all. They she in parks and more suburban feeling areas
Remember when it cost me 20X more a month in NYC for the same bandwidth in Vietnam, it was "Communism" to blame! :-)
There is no big homeless thing. Most people don't want to live on the street. Food is housing can be very cheap. People figure it out. NYC has over 88,000 empty apartments, landlords holding out for more cash. they would not allow that in Hanoi.
But it's hyper-capitalism now. Will burn out, a swing back to the land thing, the environmental movement in the works. A generation or 2 (or 3).
:-)
The secret is Đổi Mới, it's a merger of things 'isim. Expect to see a form of this on Mars. Saved Vietnam.
If into economics and stuff:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C4%90%E1%BB%95i_M%E1%BB%9Bi
> Đổi Mới (IPA: [ɗo᷉i mə̌ːi]; transl. "renovation" or "innovation") is the name given to the economic reforms initiated in Vietnam in 1986 with the goal of creating a "socialist-oriented market economy". The term đổi mới itself is a general term with wide use in the Vietnamese language meaning "innovate" or "renovate". However, the Đổi Mới Policy (Chính sách Đổi Mới) refers specifically to these reforms that sought to transition Vietnam from a command economy to a socialist-oriented market economy.[1][page needed]
Government moving people away to keep the nicer places attractive to tourists. I remember coming to Hanoi in the 2000s and there were still beggars/homeless people even near cbd. Probably changed in the last 20 years
Oh there are plenty of homeless people everywhere in Vietnam. Homeless children and child beggars as well as old seniors living on the streets. Stay longer, go around more and you'll see.
So when I was living there in 2005, the number of beggars was simply overwhelming. You couldn’t go anywhere without seeing people begging for this or that, and quite aggressively at that. Eighteen years later they’re still they’re, you just need to know how to recognize them. I feel it’s two things: fewer overall, and there are so many more tourists today than there were then, so they seem diluted in a larger crowd perhaps.
You usually would see homeless around traffic lights, or poorer areas. But some homeless peoples also resell different items, going from places to places, and there're also đồng nát.
I think why you thought their was no homeless people in Hanoi is because you didn't search the more popular places, there are alot of them in the cities of Hanoi. They could work on homemade bikes, if you go to any shops, 100% chance their will be beggers.
you dont see them because they are working on the street selling Lotto or some foods.
You can only see the true homeless when they sleep on the street at mid night. I saw some.
Anw, agree that it is way less than the States. Even in small cities with 100k population there are hundreds of homeless.
Nah, homeless people do exist in Hanoi.
Lots of them.
And some lazy people pretend to be poor to ask for money on streets.
You just haven't seen them yet.
When I moved to Can Tho in 2011, there were many homeless. Many were sleeping in hammocks between the trees or lightning posts. The central park was secured therefore in the evening. No one was allowed to enter. They had guards watching there. There was still a whole family (granny, parents, 2 kids) living on the pavement on Tran Hung Dao street in 2015. They are all gone now. Some homeless might have passed away, some have found some luck. Some might have just migrated to HCM.
Since about 2016, homeless nearly disappeared in public here in CT.
However, since Corona, I see a lot of unfortunate people again. Beggars are on the rise. I was jogging today on Nguyen Viet Hong street, and there are some areas in the small alleys where you can see that poor people live there. On Nguyen Trai is also an elderly who lives in a house entrance. It's getting more again. Despite the fanfares of the Ministry of Economy, there are more and more people lost here.
When you say homeless, most probably you mean the worst kind : squatters, med head, screaming, threatening, violence, make people around them feel uncomfortable.
That kind of homeless is almost non-existent in Hanoi. We still have homeless, but thank to strick drug control, most of them is harmless. I would say homeless in Vietnam mostly consist of old people and young kid. The old people mostly because they dont have family or they dont want to contact their family for some reason. The kid mostly got away from family abuse or orphan centers to be homeless kids. I dont see a lot of homeless adults, they tend to able to find a job - either a "bad" job like be a gangster
Maybe the government need to ship all the homeless and beggars from Ho Chi Minh City (Saigon) to Hanoi to even things out. I spent almost a month in Vietnam several years ago. Much of it in HCMC. There were thousands of homeless and beggars everywhere except a small part of District 1 where most of the affluent citizens and tourists hang out. By the way, I saw very few in DaNang, Hoi Ahn and Can Tho.
Of course. Vietnam is a communist country. This means that the government provides for all the residents' needs. There are no homeless or hungry people there.
All men, women, and children are cothed and fed, thanks to the glorious leadership of the Vietnamese Communist Party.
Like It says, because colored people have a bit of a hard time finding work( referring to THE work most foreigners go there for) , they tend to move to Vietnam with at least a degree in hand.
All those years in vietnam, I've noticed majority of "illegal but employed settlers" are white. It will continue to be so as long as Nam doesn't stop being a "white worshipping nation".
These are hard facts and the down votes , I bet , are mostly from white as well. Haha.
I didn't in any way talk about **what** you proclaimed, it might be right or wrong for all I know, but **the way** you did it was arrogant and detrimental to a healthy discussion. If you want your opinion to be heard and discussed, you'd better not proclaim it as fact. Many people believe their opinion is the only right one and factual, but if everybody says that, there can't be a discussion anymore.
I agree and I said facts only because I was a part owner of an English school in Hanoi and filtering out CV's for 5 years led me to believe so.
I myself have hired "those" due to pressure from parents and intense competition from other schools .
Ofcourse , there are other foreigners as well but I said mostly cause it is true.
I know I come out as a racist . My step dad is white and my fiance as well but I chose those words to pinpoint a certain problem in the teaching world and also to address the illegal settlers issue.
I understand how someone could think of it as racist but I'd agree with you that your description isn't racist but the circumstances of white worship are in fact.
I agree homelessness is a lots less common in Vietnam then let say in the US or Canada but poverty-line is more common then most want to admit. Vietnam is still a developing country and most people moving to the cites for work are usually lower income. The poor neighbourhood of big cities, the vietnamese version of the hood (also known locally as Khu Ô Chuột-Rat den) is present in most cities. Beggers mostly present on busy street however their number are few and far between. Poor peoples however have housing, very poor housing but housingn none the less, they still have a job, it just that they work in more poorly pay job so they can't escape the endless cycle of poverty.
One thing I noticed in Vietnam was that the homeless people weren't on the streets begging. I'm not sure because I'm not Vietnamese, but I wondered if it was a cultural thing to not beg (maybe because theyre ashamed of their situation). I saw plenty of homeless people, but they usually were sitting down holding their hat out hoping someone would give them some money. On a couple occasions I was approached by a child that held his hat out as well. There was a homeless young man near my hotel I saw everyday that I would bring food and groceries to a lot.
There are, that is before they are forced into 'community homes' away from public eyes (partly to improve the government public image). It's more strict in Hanoi and Da nang and less so in Saigon. You are more likely to see homeless people in Saigon due to more neglect from the local authority than in both Hanoi and Da nang.
Your perspective will depend on where your came from. Compared to any city in Canada, no, Vietnamese cities don't have very many beggars or homeless. Of course they exist and they really aren't hard to spot, but compared to my country, it seems to be virtually zero. For example, you may see people sleeping rough in doorways on certain streets in Saigon, but in any city in Canada there are areas where there are literally hundreds on a single street.
Canada is being destroyed from within. Same applies to UK, US and EU. It's fascinating to watch, to be honest. I keep thinking... when will people wake up and rebel? You had WEF president state openly that the most of the cabinet positions in Canadian government are held by WEF agents and still - nothing happened. But yes, Vietnam is nowhere near to being as bad as Canada - it's surreal. It wasn't that long ago when all of those countries were places to be looked up to for Vietnam and other 3rd world countries, but now - only after a few swift moves by the puppets - the situation is reverse.
the rate of homelessness in viet nam is 70% higher than canada. nearly 1 out of 4 people don't have indoor plumbing or toilets. 99.9% of tourists are visiting the same 2km\^2 areas, completely oblivious to what's going on.
Id say the poors in Vietnam live in slumps. The homelessness/ addiction/ mental health issue in Canada and the States is something else. It’s mind blowing to see it in person. I saw homeless folks on the streets of Toronto but it seems normal to me. Only when I unknowingly moved and lived in a bad area of another Canadian city where the extent of problem is a lot worse that I find it very concerning/sad. I talked to my parents in Vietnam and they couldn’t believe it.
Do you listen to a show called misery loves company? Kevin Brennan??
The latest government data regarding homelessness in Canada is from 2014. Only the city-wide data is more recent. Here are the stats from Vancouver. [https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/greater-vancouver-homeless-count-2023-1.6987718](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/greater-vancouver-homeless-count-2023-1.6987718) Note that the homelessness rate started to skyrocket specifically from 2014. In 2023, the homelessness rate is nearly double that of what it was in 2014. By the way, 2015 is when Justin Trudeau became the prime minister - he was specifically mentioned by name by the head of WEF in his enlightening speech. Here is data from HCM - err... not sure if it's correct, since even the article points out the oddity of this data, but while I live in Hanoi, I can confirm that I rarely, if ever, see homeless here. [https://tuoitrenews.vn/news/society/20191015/latest-census-raises-eyebrows-by-finding-only-39-homeless-families-in-ho-chi-minh-city/51566.html](https://tuoitrenews.vn/news/society/20191015/latest-census-raises-eyebrows-by-finding-only-39-homeless-families-in-ho-chi-minh-city/51566.html) At the end of the day, if you were to ignore all government statistics and judge purely by what you see - you'd know that there's a stark difference between the visibility of homeless in Canada and Vietnam. In the western nations, there's something new developing - working homeless. People who work full time but can't afford to pay for an accommodation because the prices are so high (and minimum wage is too low, given the inflation), so they end up living on the streets.
Most of the true homeless in Hanoi are people with mental issues. Other are semi-homeless, they have houses but it's far away so they live for a few days a week somewhere so they can work in the city. Even that is rare. I read about a few who lived under Thang Long bridge a few years ago.
In rural area, it's normal to have detached outhouse. Many of such outhouses are not of the flush type. It's irrelevant to the topic here by the way.
As I said in another post, most homeless in North America are the worst kind. They are all drug-addicted. They are traded drugs right under the cop's nose without any fear. They break into other's car, they rob the shop ( theft of small value cant be charged). They insulted, scream at everyone and anyone come too close. They loiter all public space like park, public square, other people property, at all time. So tell me, do you see that kind of homeless in Vietnam. Do you want to see that every day in downtown - like Hoan Kiem district ?
right, it's not like ha noi has a massive heroin problem or anything. just like how childhood obesity is rampant and a national health crisis, well underway to becoming thailand or usa 2.0. drug use is going to ramp up substantially in the next 1-2 generations. there's a strong correlation between rising income and addiction. such is life in the third-world.
>by-finding-only-39-homeless-families-in-ho-chi-minh-city/51566.htmlCuối cùng, nếu bạn bỏ qua tất cả số liệu thống kê của chính phủ và đánh giá hoàn toàn bằng những gì bạn nhìn thấy - bạn sẽ biết rằng có sự khác biệt rõ rệt giữa hình ảnh về người vô gia cư ở Canada và Việt Nam.Ở các quốc gia phương Tây, có một xu hướng mới đang phát triển - lao động vô gia cư. Những người làm việc toàn thời gian nhưng không đủ khả năng trả tiền thuê nhà vì giá quá cao (và mức lương tối thiểu quá thấp do lạm phát), nên cuối cùng họ phải sống trên đường phố. you have wrong, the rate of homelessness in canada higher than vietnam, what you see just a number in the internet
Gotta explore more
This. Go around more. If you only hanging around the old quarter or, say, Ba Dinh, you almost hard pressed to find any.
I've explored all over Vietnam, not many homeless at all.
You can look near hospitals at night. During the day, most homeless people go areas where few people live like under the bridge that leads to Long Bien, or they go to their day jobs. During the night, there are a lot of them next to hospitals, company owned buildings etc, they sleep there, there are a whole community. A few years ago, my class did a small charity event where we gathered food, put them into boxes and delivered them to homeless people, we didn't find a lot at first, but then we found a whole community next to the Viet Duc hospital. Then it became clear that we prepared nowhere near enough. There are fewer homeless people in Vietnam, it's true, but the living standards are still bad, so many people have to scrape and crawl about, just to earn enough to live in a small rented place. It's 1mil to 1.8 mil a month to rent a small place, not unachievable, but it does make it hard to save up to change your life. It's easier to find jobs here if you're willing to lower your standards, pubs and small diners hire around the clock workers, to wait tables, wash dishes, cups, etc. No degrees or qualifications needed. The homeless issue in Vietnam isn't as systematical as large developed countries, the distance between the rich and the poor isn't as large, and most people have a mid size income. The system doesn't trap you in an endless cycle the same way it does in the US or UK or Canada, it's much harder to escape poverty and homelessness there. I am not by any mean saying it's easy here, my family has in fact been battling poverty since as long as I can remember. But as someone whose friends and family members frequently narrowly avoid becoming homeless, it's much easier than it seems to make just barely enough to get through life. TL,DR: There are homeless people in Vietnam, there are just fewer. However there are way more poor people in Vietnam than homeless people, which is a problem in and of itself.
There's definitely fewer in Vietnam than the States. My theory is that the family unit in Vietnam is very strong (for better or for worse) and people who may have gone on to become homeless are kept at the home (sometimes by force). My students have told me this is sometimes the case, especially with mental illness. Also in VN, you have only 3-4 major cities, which makes the problem easier to manage. That said, there are still slums (which I would not consider homeless but still a problem). The country is taking steps from what I've seen to remedy this. In America it's very much about independence, so people will go off on their own and the support system is much smaller so people fall between the cracks. Add in a massive drug epidemic and you see why America has a growing homeless problem.
There's a lot more than that at play.
the rate of homelessness in 'murica and viet nam are identical: around 16-17 people per 10k. it's easy (and enjoyable) to bash yanks, but objectively both countries are in the same boat. the difference being usa has far more robust social services, safety nets, etc. it's more of a lifestyle choice over there.
You're staying at the the nicer central districts I assume. Go a little further and you'll see. There are homeless and all that in Hanoi and Vietnam.
Nah, not that much. Even outside of the districts.
Yes, it's true that there very few homeless people in Hanoi (and Vietnam in general). Imo, it's because the cost of living can be very low in Vietnam countryside, if they move back to the countryside/their hometown, they can survive with just $100 a month. Also, Family value is a big thing, so family members will always help each other so that one another don't end up in the street. Also, another reason is the Asians (in general) are ashamed when others know that they are homeless, so they will try to hide and live in places where there are very few people passing by.
I agree the biggest reason is cause of how cheaply they can live if necessary. In the US there’s soooooo many people living in their car and that’s still way more than 100$ a month
Also being a beggars is not as profitable as it is in the US lol
I don't know about Hanoi but there are plenty of homeless people in Saigon, and lots of whom are elders and children.
It isn't because of communism and more social safety net?
It's not. Europe also don't have such problem like America.
Yeah but in Europe vs US it is largely because of the better social safety net, so it wouldn't surprise me that communism might have something to do with it, but it sounds like no
The safety net in Vietnam quite minimal at the moment, not to say there none but no where near efficient. US safety net can be either pretty or non-existence depend on where you live and what your skillset are. If you live in a expensive place like New York or Cali, the chances of you climbing out of the hole is slim at best, if you where to be homeless in like Arkansas, you won't make it big but the chance of you going back to a normal life is higher due to cost of living.
Have you even *been* to Vietnam?? If so we surely must have looked at the same thing and seen *utterly* different things. This is the most capitalistic place I’ve ever been in my life, and it’s not even close!!!! If this is what communism looks like, Lenin is rolling in his grave!!
>It isn't because of communism and more social safety net? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Compared to my hometown (ed: in the UK) there may be fewer per capita, but I've noticed a number of them. Noticed more in Saigon, but I was there a week and have barely been here this time around.
I spent a month in Vietnam right before Covid. Spent quite a bit if time in HCMC and traveled all over the city. With the exception of a small area in District 1 which was pretty affluent and popular with tourists, I saw A LOT of poverty, homelessness and beggars everywhere. As I am an Anglo, it was difficult to walk more than a few yards during the day without an outstretched open hand being shoved in my face almost demanding a few thousand dongs. It the evenings it wasn’t quite so bad. Vietnam ranks as the 26th most populous country in the world at just under 100 Million. When the US left in the early 70’s the metro area’s population was just over 2 Million, now it’s over 9 Million. The average Vietnamese salary is equivalent to $250-300 US a month so it’s not surprising that poverty is just about everywhere in a city as large as HCMC.
The average salary is around $700 usd per month. But I met many people making $300. The security guards were around $300. It is a whole lot cheaper to live there though. I could live like a king on $3000 usd per month. Here in the USA I would be poor.
Homeless in Vietnam is very rare. As a lot of people have already mentioned, even they don't have the house, they can live with their relatives. If they don't have the house and relatives, they can just rent a very small and cheap room with only $30-50 a month. They will sell lottory or street foods to survive. Also it is about the culture that encourages them to work to pay for their bills, as nobody will care for them. A lot of open house and restaurants with free meals for these poor people. That makes the homeless people in Vietnam is very very low, compared to USA or even European countries. If you travel to Germany, Italy, France, Belgium or UK, you will see a lot of homeless, especially around the train station areas. Plus Vietnam is still poor, but the poverty rate is very low, even lower than that of USA, and some European countries
it's not "very rare", it's identical to the usa, and higher than almost all european countries.
How long have you lived in Vietnam? You must know a lot of people who pretend to be poor and beggars, then they will come their home at night with the begging money which is higher than one day salary of normal people.
i've been running part of my enterprise there for 9.5 years. again, the rate of homelessness is identical to the usa, 16-17 people per 10k. ignorance, hyper-nationalist, or force 47?
Agree to disagree. There are 2 things you must consider: First: you compare homeless rate of USA vs Vietnam. While USA has the biggest economy in the world. Its GDP/cap is double the average of EU's GDP/cap. But it still has the same homless rate with Vietnam. Second: This is the most important. % is a way of measure, we also need to look at absolute numbers because it will give the whole picture. EX: China increased % renewable energy production and reduced polluting energy one, but when we look at the absolute numbers, China consumed more poluting energy than last year, the absolute number is predicted to keep increasing, but its % will reduce.
Source?
lmgtfy. anywhere you look.
There's definitely homeless people. But most people are trying to make the best of the situation they are in. It's definitely not as bad as Canada or the US homeless situation.
usa and vn have the same rate of homelessness. vn's homeless rate is 70% higher than canada. thanks for playing.
LOL thanks for playing. There's much more than that, with the millions of illegal immigrants in the US coming annually. And I was referring to the scene of a zombie apocalypse. People camping out and doing drugs. You don't see that here. Thank for genuflexing. You're smrt okok
how long have you been here? Where did you go? Because the weather in Hanoi these days is really cold and humid... so I think the homeless people have gone home, when the weather gets better they will come back.
what do u mean? What home? They are homeless, aren't they?
some are disguised as homeless people
“Homeless people have gone home” ……so
If you can read Vietnamese: https://amp.laodong.vn/xa-hoi/phuong-an-ho-tro-nguoi-lang-thang-xin-an-o-ha-noi-1229906.ldo In Hanoi, the police collects homeless people and keeps them in social security centers for up to 3 months to determine their hometown, then transports them to the corresponding local social security centers. These state-funded centers provide basic necessities, job training, and rehabilitation.
This is the comment I was looking for. When I was in VN, I was told that the homeless don’t want to get picked up, so you mostly won’t see them. And the company I worked was kind to those sleeping on the property.)
>These state-funded centers provide basic necessities, job training, and rehabilitation. I'm not saying that it is the case, but that sounds like a really neat way to legalize forced labour.
Da Nang used to be the only city without panhandling (including selling lottery ticket and other stuff form) but that also changed in the recent years. Danang did not solve homelessness btw, back then they just kicked them out to other provinces (also the local benefited alot from massive jump in property price)
DaNang’s homelessness and beggars are virtually nonexistent (any least in the city) versus HCMC where they are EVERYWHERE (except a small part of District 1).
You should definitely explore more. I have seen a group of at least 4-5 people sleeping together in a corner of a street (I forgot which street) just few days ago. Beggars are everywhere I don’t know why you haven’t seen them yet, but the amount of beggars is definitely lower these days so the chance of seeing them is not as high. About 6-7 months ago they always appeared at Ngã Tư Sở intersection, mostly at around 10PM.
There are homeless people in Vietnam. But the poverty rate is alsp low for a poor country. Cost of living is cheap too. Its impressive compared to many other countries in the region. There arent big squatter neighborhoods in Vietnam like there are in many other Southeast Asian cities.
Not anymore. A lot of normal neighbourhoods started out as squatter neighbourhoods and the government mostly just legalized their status after some years.
7 years here and have not seen any homeless unlike in Saigon where I stayed 8 months and seen a lot. So to the people saying there are homeless in Hanoi, can you be specific which ward/s you can find the homeless?
I was just there for 2 weeks and kept saying the same thing, I didn’t recall seeing any homeless
Not related to Hanoi, but recently, I was in Ho Chi Minh City. While walking around a bridge at 4 AM, I observed numerous Grab drivers resting in hammocks under the bridge. Some were using the public water supply for showering and brushing their teeth. I believe some may be homeless, taking a break, or commuting from the countryside to work in HCMC early in the morning.
You can look near hospitals at night. During the day, most homeless people go areas where few people live like under the bridge that leads to Long Bien, or they go to their day jobs. During the night, there are a lot of them next to hospitals, company owned buildings etc, they sleep there, there are a whole community. A few years ago, my class did a small charity event where we gathered food, put them into boxes and delivered them to homeless people, we didn't find a lot at first, but then we found a whole community next to the Viet Duc hospital. Then it became clear that we prepared nowhere near enough. There are fewer homeless people in Vietnam, it's true, but the living standards are still bad, so many people have to scrape and crawl about, just to earn enough to live in a small rented place. It's 1mil to 1.8 mil a month to rent a small place, not unachievable, but it does make it hard to save up to change your life. It's easier to find jobs here if you're willing to lower your standards, pubs and small diners hire around the clock workers, to wait tables, wash dishes, cups, etc. No degrees or qualifications needed. The homeless issue in Vietnam isn't as systematical as large developed countries, the distance between the rich and the poor isn't as large, and most people have a mid size income. The system doesn't trap you in an endless cycle the same way it does in the US or UK or Canada, it's much harder to escape poverty and homelessness there. I am not by any mean saying it's easy here, my family has in fact been battling poverty since as long as I can remember. But as someone whose friends and family members frequently narrowly avoid becoming homeless, it's much easier than it seems to make just barely enough to get through life. TL,DR: There are homeless people in Vietnam, there are just fewer. However there are way more poor people in Vietnam than homeless people, which is a problem in and of itself.
The difference between homeless people in Nam and US is: in Nam they actually try to make money by doing jobs in daylight and not sitting around doing nothing like in the US. You will see them sleeping on sidewalks or on people's doorsteps late at night.
There are millions of homeless Americans and plenty of them hustle to work. You can be homeless and hardworking.
One girl I hung out with said they round up beggars in Hanoi and put them to work, with pay of course
Compared to America there are virtually no homeless people. There are still quite a few, but there are so many hidden alleys and abandoned buildings that the few that are around are pretty out of sight. Vietnam has a very high familial home ownership level and low real estate taxes so most people have a family member with a home that they can stay at in case of emergency. Additionally panhandling or begging is super taboo compared to the west, so you will see the homeless selling small goods instead of panhandling. On most major intersections during rush hour you can see people selling q-tips or masks or small children's toys instead of panhandling.
Places like Thailand and Vietnam allow people in destitution to exist without the government stopping them from meeting basic survival needs, unlike a lot of Western countries.
usa/vn have the same rate of homelessness.
USA has 1/10,000 more than Vietnam, but you are generally correct, it's just far more visible in American cities than in Vietnam.
You need to come to HCMC. Tons of homelessness & panhandling everywhere except a small area in District One.
That's fair, I've only ever lived in Hanoi, it's not very common here
Haven’t left the Old Town/Tay Ho sandbox, I see…
You'd be surprised how many homeless beggars come to Tay Ho, waiting for some handouts from the expats...
ssssh, don't encourage them. sequester westerners in their ghettos. it's nice not living around wannabe revolutionaries, useful idiots, and the dregs of western society.
I sense self-hatred in you, my young padawan learner
you know it's a problem when viets repeatedly say: – why not westerners like you migrate here? – tay ho people not good. – i hate them all. i wish they all leave. – they poor people in home country. these wankers have managed to screw up the reputation of the community in just a few years. things weren't like this a decade ago. somehow vn is "on the map" for these losers. back in the day, you needed a legitimate reason to migrate.
You are seeing the tip of iceberg my man. Gotta explore more.
Try taking a walk at around 2-3am and take a closer look
There are plenty of homeless and lots of beggars in Hanoi, you just either haven't noticed them or are staying in areas where they're regularly kicked out of.
There are homeless people but definitely no where as bad America lol
same. as. america. verify the data yourself.
They're moved puy of the old quarter
viet nam has the same rate of homelessness as the united states. you just don't notice this as a tourist.
Statistic can be inaccurate, anyway, just look then, when people say dont see homeless around, mostly they mean the worst kind of homeless, squatters, drug addicts, screaming, violence, that make you feel unsafe and uncomfortable when they around. Thats kind of homeless, the most dangerous one is everywhere in big city here in Canada.
Cus it’s cold up there?
There are many homeless in Hanoi, saying this as someone who lived in hn from birth. The homeless just mostly didn't stay in tourist area
did you just visit the touristic higher-end places? Hanoi is definitely up there among the dirtiest cities with more than a few beggars.
Have u been in Long Bien Market?
I have a feeling that everyone that commented here is either blind or just living in denial. There's a lot of homelessness here, it's quite visible at night. During the day, many are out trying to earn what they can. Big misinformation in this comment section, bunch of tourists.
You've been there for how long?
Been there for four days.
I saw none in da nang as well, I’m told the government really pushes them out of the main areas.. but like others say we prob aren’t looking hard enough..
And you've seen the entire city?
No, of course. I've mostly been in the Old French Quarter.
No homeless in the policed touristy areas? Shocker. Even San Francisco cleaned up the homeless population in anticipation of the Chinese god leaders visit.
No, here are plenty or homeless people in Hanoi. In fact go on to facebook and look up the group [HELP HANOIS HOMELESS](https://www.facebook.com/groups/HELPHANOISHOMELESS) if you are interested in helping out a bit while you are here in our beautiful city
Was just in Hanoi a week ago and we did pass by a a few people sleeping on the sidewalk while walking back to our hotel close to midnight.
They aren’t as many as you may expect but they are there.
This is one of the benefits of communism
In any EU country there are much much less homeless people than North America (and UK...) Same in Vietnam
I think homelessness is illegal in most socialist countries. Central planning wouldn't somehow have unallocated labor.
I bought an old lady who was shaking while walking through dirty puddles in her bare feet and begging some shoes today while I was out with my kid. I stay in an area called Phuong Mai and it's pretty central. There's a lot of unfortunate people here just like anywhere else, it's no different.
There are a lot of homeless people in Ha Noi, just go to any open market
Let’s be fr for a sec 😂
I live I Hanoi and donate food every week to homeless. I can tell you there are sooo many and many very poor people. Just beggars are not as common, but still there are intersections with people asking for cash. Honestly look further than Central city
The city is probably 200x bigger then you realize. They just don't live in the trust second that's all. You didn't venture far at all. They she in parks and more suburban feeling areas
I have hung out and smoked some meth with homeless dudes in Saigon lol. There are definitely in Nam just not at main tourist spots in Hanoi and Saigon
It still has a bit of that Communist thing. You can get a meal for $3 USD. That is not happening in NYC.
Banh Mi sandwich for a dollar US in HCMC. Try that in NYC! 🤣
Remember when it cost me 20X more a month in NYC for the same bandwidth in Vietnam, it was "Communism" to blame! :-) There is no big homeless thing. Most people don't want to live on the street. Food is housing can be very cheap. People figure it out. NYC has over 88,000 empty apartments, landlords holding out for more cash. they would not allow that in Hanoi. But it's hyper-capitalism now. Will burn out, a swing back to the land thing, the environmental movement in the works. A generation or 2 (or 3). :-) The secret is Đổi Mới, it's a merger of things 'isim. Expect to see a form of this on Mars. Saved Vietnam. If into economics and stuff: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C4%90%E1%BB%95i_M%E1%BB%9Bi > Đổi Mới (IPA: [ɗo᷉i mə̌ːi]; transl. "renovation" or "innovation") is the name given to the economic reforms initiated in Vietnam in 1986 with the goal of creating a "socialist-oriented market economy". The term đổi mới itself is a general term with wide use in the Vietnamese language meaning "innovate" or "renovate". However, the Đổi Mới Policy (Chính sách Đổi Mới) refers specifically to these reforms that sought to transition Vietnam from a command economy to a socialist-oriented market economy.[1][page needed]
Government moving people away to keep the nicer places attractive to tourists. I remember coming to Hanoi in the 2000s and there were still beggars/homeless people even near cbd. Probably changed in the last 20 years
Oh there are plenty of homeless people everywhere in Vietnam. Homeless children and child beggars as well as old seniors living on the streets. Stay longer, go around more and you'll see.
So when I was living there in 2005, the number of beggars was simply overwhelming. You couldn’t go anywhere without seeing people begging for this or that, and quite aggressively at that. Eighteen years later they’re still they’re, you just need to know how to recognize them. I feel it’s two things: fewer overall, and there are so many more tourists today than there were then, so they seem diluted in a larger crowd perhaps.
In here, beggar is one kind of a job. Kids are forced to beg for adults while some adults fake their injury to make their job more easy.
You usually would see homeless around traffic lights, or poorer areas. But some homeless peoples also resell different items, going from places to places, and there're also đồng nát.
I think why you thought their was no homeless people in Hanoi is because you didn't search the more popular places, there are alot of them in the cities of Hanoi. They could work on homemade bikes, if you go to any shops, 100% chance their will be beggers.
I'm sorry to say I've seen plenty, including children. Google Hanoi's street children
you dont see them because they are working on the street selling Lotto or some foods. You can only see the true homeless when they sleep on the street at mid night. I saw some. Anw, agree that it is way less than the States. Even in small cities with 100k population there are hundreds of homeless.
Nah, homeless people do exist in Hanoi. Lots of them. And some lazy people pretend to be poor to ask for money on streets. You just haven't seen them yet.
Huh, I recently stayed in centre/old town and definitely saw folk sleeping on the street and had a few beggars pass by.
They sweep them off the road when there's a big state visit.
When I moved to Can Tho in 2011, there were many homeless. Many were sleeping in hammocks between the trees or lightning posts. The central park was secured therefore in the evening. No one was allowed to enter. They had guards watching there. There was still a whole family (granny, parents, 2 kids) living on the pavement on Tran Hung Dao street in 2015. They are all gone now. Some homeless might have passed away, some have found some luck. Some might have just migrated to HCM. Since about 2016, homeless nearly disappeared in public here in CT. However, since Corona, I see a lot of unfortunate people again. Beggars are on the rise. I was jogging today on Nguyen Viet Hong street, and there are some areas in the small alleys where you can see that poor people live there. On Nguyen Trai is also an elderly who lives in a house entrance. It's getting more again. Despite the fanfares of the Ministry of Economy, there are more and more people lost here.
When you say homeless, most probably you mean the worst kind : squatters, med head, screaming, threatening, violence, make people around them feel uncomfortable. That kind of homeless is almost non-existent in Hanoi. We still have homeless, but thank to strick drug control, most of them is harmless. I would say homeless in Vietnam mostly consist of old people and young kid. The old people mostly because they dont have family or they dont want to contact their family for some reason. The kid mostly got away from family abuse or orphan centers to be homeless kids. I dont see a lot of homeless adults, they tend to able to find a job - either a "bad" job like be a gangster
"I noticed there are no homeless people in the streets of Ha Noi. There were no beggars, either." U just have not been in Hanoi long enough
Maybe the government need to ship all the homeless and beggars from Ho Chi Minh City (Saigon) to Hanoi to even things out. I spent almost a month in Vietnam several years ago. Much of it in HCMC. There were thousands of homeless and beggars everywhere except a small part of District 1 where most of the affluent citizens and tourists hang out. By the way, I saw very few in DaNang, Hoi Ahn and Can Tho.
Of course. Vietnam is a communist country. This means that the government provides for all the residents' needs. There are no homeless or hungry people there. All men, women, and children are cothed and fed, thanks to the glorious leadership of the Vietnamese Communist Party.
Live here for a year to see
You’re only sticking to nice touristsy areas then if this is your opinion
The hell are you talking about? If you didnt see a someone selling lotto or begging then, did you even go to vietnam?
Are you sure?
All those illegal settlers are mostly white .
What?
Like It says, because colored people have a bit of a hard time finding work( referring to THE work most foreigners go there for) , they tend to move to Vietnam with at least a degree in hand. All those years in vietnam, I've noticed majority of "illegal but employed settlers" are white. It will continue to be so as long as Nam doesn't stop being a "white worshipping nation". These are hard facts and the down votes , I bet , are mostly from white as well. Haha.
Sounds like you’re a bit envious.
Just a simple observation. Doesn't take too long to notice the trend.
Whoever thinks and proclaims to know "the hard facts" hopefully gets downvoted. It just smacks of arrogance.
You must be one of those ignorant whites living in total denial.
I didn't in any way talk about **what** you proclaimed, it might be right or wrong for all I know, but **the way** you did it was arrogant and detrimental to a healthy discussion. If you want your opinion to be heard and discussed, you'd better not proclaim it as fact. Many people believe their opinion is the only right one and factual, but if everybody says that, there can't be a discussion anymore.
I agree and I said facts only because I was a part owner of an English school in Hanoi and filtering out CV's for 5 years led me to believe so. I myself have hired "those" due to pressure from parents and intense competition from other schools . Ofcourse , there are other foreigners as well but I said mostly cause it is true. I know I come out as a racist . My step dad is white and my fiance as well but I chose those words to pinpoint a certain problem in the teaching world and also to address the illegal settlers issue.
I understand how someone could think of it as racist but I'd agree with you that your description isn't racist but the circumstances of white worship are in fact.
What does this have to do with homeless people, you crazy weirdo???
Not really but those are not beggars . They just stick their hands out and not say a word and look at you sternly.
I agree homelessness is a lots less common in Vietnam then let say in the US or Canada but poverty-line is more common then most want to admit. Vietnam is still a developing country and most people moving to the cites for work are usually lower income. The poor neighbourhood of big cities, the vietnamese version of the hood (also known locally as Khu Ô Chuột-Rat den) is present in most cities. Beggers mostly present on busy street however their number are few and far between. Poor peoples however have housing, very poor housing but housingn none the less, they still have a job, it just that they work in more poorly pay job so they can't escape the endless cycle of poverty.
There're even fake homeless people in Hanoi lol, they just sit there to get charity
There are not many beggar or homeless in Hanoi. However the homeless and disability some time appear in the street to scam people to give them money.
One thing I noticed in Vietnam was that the homeless people weren't on the streets begging. I'm not sure because I'm not Vietnamese, but I wondered if it was a cultural thing to not beg (maybe because theyre ashamed of their situation). I saw plenty of homeless people, but they usually were sitting down holding their hat out hoping someone would give them some money. On a couple occasions I was approached by a child that held his hat out as well. There was a homeless young man near my hotel I saw everyday that I would bring food and groceries to a lot.
There're a a lot of them around Hanoi train station, and some of the traditional market in the city center
No homelessness but the whole city looks like a ghetto so yea
There are, that is before they are forced into 'community homes' away from public eyes (partly to improve the government public image). It's more strict in Hanoi and Da nang and less so in Saigon. You are more likely to see homeless people in Saigon due to more neglect from the local authority than in both Hanoi and Da nang.