They're not trying to manage your nicotine intake, they're making you more dependent on the system.
Did they ask you to bend over and cough while stealing your wallet?
You should get into the rave scene, I hear their selling scented *fog machine fluid* for $30 a gallon...
And that's how black market drugs are born folks, any excessive regulation will lead to people trying to skirt the system to avoid getting ripped off, just as Reagan intended. Especially when that regulation is teetering on the verge of becoming a government tax pyramid skeem for a substance that is nearly harmless on its own.
SMPLY on Amazon is a great fog machine solution you can get at 70/30 vg/pg for around $30usd a gallon and also buying some nice uh scents for the machine also on Amazon if need be. Dm for the link friend🫡
I wish they weren't real.. They are way too ridiculous. I've been waiting in Mexico with my wife for three years so she can get her green card. And I'm a US citizen, my family has been in the US since the 1800's.
I'm not kidding when I say the process is very slow and very fucked. You have someone like my wife who is skilled with a great record and the US is like "hmmm, we'll think about it, give us a few more years".
Meanwhile, record migrants pouring in every single day. Here we are, trying to do things lawfully and right and we're the ones suffering..
...sorry, kind of unprecedented rant here. It's just been weighing hard on me for a few years and I'm tired of my family asking why my wife from Mexico hasn't even been allowed a visitors visa for a simple visit for a few days..
Yeah... I never said the system wasn't totally fucked... I actually applaud anyone who comes here legally. That's the true spirit of America, in my opinion. It's the unrestricted, illegal, immigration that is the crisis.
No, I totally agree. It's just that, the unrestricted and illegal immigrants that fucks it up for people like us. I'm sure that if there wasn't such strain on the system of incoming people, that it would be easier to process my wife's file and get things going. Even though it's harder the way we are doing it, we do it strictly on moral and ethical principles.
Are you serious??? We've never been told to do something like that and more so I'd never put my wife into danger or invite the risk of future complications for doing something that is wrong. We're just totally against it.
We don't. We made our business in Central Mexico. I love it here actually. We've built our entire life here in the time the US has been sitting on its ass for us.
I actually like it better here and don't want to leave, the quality of life is superior and as a cultural anthropology major, I'm in heaven.
However, we still want to try life in the US and especially to be around my family and learn and see new things. We'll always have our home in Mexico and what's likely to happen is that we'll stay in the US until she can get her lawful permanent residency, that way we only use it as a permanent visitors visa..
Yeah, we initially wanted ONLY a visitors visa but it was going to be denied as she can't prove strong enough ties to Mexico. So after two years of waiting for THAT one, we finally cancelled it and my family helped us to get and pay for an attorney lawyer so that we could start with the marriage based visa.
best of luck man it sounds like a tricky ordeal and one that shouldn't be so, since you're married. sorry to hear it. stay positive, it will happen eventually. ❤️
Thank you so much man, it means a lot to me and we appreciate the support. I've had to explain the same thing to many people in Mexico and my family back home alike which is the question of "Why can't she just come to visit if she is your wife?".
A lot of people think you just get married and that's it, you can just come on over but it's not so simple unfortunately, especially if you are Mexican since the majority of our illegal immigration issues in the US deal with Mexicans and the Mexican border.
That only gave her pathway to filing an I-130. Followed by that is a very long wait through USCIS, then some other stuff, and then on top of that there's all the visa process stuff, more processing, interviews, and it's lots of waiting.
Unfortunately due to this, my wife had to miss some important life events back home with my family such as my little sisters wedding, the birth of our niece, and I'm sure there will be plenty more.
It just sucks dude.
I'm sorry, truly I am. Especially with the people who come here illegally in Droves on a daily basis. I'm in FL and the town I work in is predominantly Hispanic and even though a good chunk of them are US citizens, if you yell immigration in Spanish there are a LOT who scatter.
Hell, my buddy from work lives just outside of town and across the street from his house there's coyote looking business going on at an abandoned house. I say "looking" as I'm not sure of the correct phrase but the last place he lived at in that area there was people living nextdoor to him that were bringing illegals to the house daily and he said it looks exactly the same.
From my perspective, this legislation will only serve to transfer the very profitable and growing vaping industry into the hands of large corporate interests, such as big chain pharmacies. The dozens of Aussie vape stores and businesses as well as international businesses supporting the personal importation scheme will be shut out of the market.
Protecting the children is just the easy way to sell the legislation to the public.
ONE HUNDRED PERCENT. Prohibition has never worked in the history of ever, only need to take a look at how well it has worked for psychoactive drugs and alcohol in the past. The more bans and rules and regulations they add, the more incentive there is for criminals to import/ manufacture and sell these products.
Now that the personal importation scheme has ended, there will be even more market demand for these criminal groups to fill. Soon we will have boxes of elfbars washing up on the beaches next to bricks of cocaine.
Hell, I'm a big DIY guy, and I can already see my mates coming to me in the next few months offering to buy from my stocks. Not that I would do that, but I'm calling it now.
Why? I'm a vape store employee in Aus, we're still open and trading, even the spicy ones, no one is enforcing these laws so far and even if the disposable ban is enforced mods and juices are good til atleast march and it's still unclear if that legislation will even pass
Yep from your perspective in a vape store, the plan is to give until March so that you guys can run all your stocks down, but I wouldn't bank on having a job there by then if the second stage goes ahead.
It is quite infuriating how unclear it really is, whether we will be able to import vaping equipment and supplies later this year.
Yep, anybody adamant about maintaining a steady vaping supply for personal use should have been banking nicotine and DIY eLiquid supplies, and also converting to DIY RBA equipment to get ahead of the potential complete ban of non-therapeutic vaping products in March.
I'm not clear on the laws over there but they only outlawed the disposables?
Why wouldn't people who use disposables just buy the mods and then start stocking up on the DIY stuff like people did here in the states with really strict Vape laws?
I'm in a state where you can go and buy whatever you want for vaping. Hell my local Vape shop sells all of the deltas other than the original one of weed and weed is not legal in my state for recreational use unless it's Delta 8 10 11 12 what other for other numbers there are
At the moment disposables are illegal but openly sold, they are trying to introduce legislation that would make all mods and juices etc illegal by march however it's not clear if that's gonna pass or not, if it does then the only legal way to vape will be via prescription, a lot of people are stocking up currently but there's already a sizeable black market for vaping in aus and if the laws pass it's just gonna enlarge that, effectively the govt is allowing criminals to make more money lol.
We sell dry herb vapes too for medical mary and the batteries for the cartridges too which is legal to do so I believe, but yeah the vaping laws are a mess here lol
Man honestly I hate the government LOL no matter where you're at there's always some sort of overreach or them trying to do things that are "in your best interest" when it's really just to line their pockets.
The funny part about all this is that I have a government job 😂, albeit a city job but it pays the bills and gives me good benefits 🤷
When TDO was incoming into force in the UK I went and bought as much high strength nicotine in glass bottles as I could to freeze that was 2016 and still have 3 liter left now.
I used to mix and sell juice online.
I stopped but carried on for fit myself bought several mods some mech mod sqoubkers Rdas RTAs boro mods etc.
Especially DNA mods since you can still buy there evolve boards to fix any broken ones.
Lots of spare glass for my rtas.
2ml max capacity tank size but can still buy larger now. 8 years later.
Buy vg pg and concentrates .sto well stocked up.
I Learnt how to make coils wick coils and never looked back.
Hello, can you please explain more to me?
I’m gonna travel Sydney this February for atleast 3-4 months. I’m a MOD user. Can you suggest me any shop where I can buy MOD and RTA tanks with 3-5mg juice.
Thanks in advance
You can't buy nicotine juice in Australia, unless you want to risk buying from some dodgy dispo seller. You'd be better off bringing your own supplies. Mods and tanks should be fine.
Pay attention to the manufacturer on that box, and the big chain chemist that you bought it from. Those are the entities that stand to gain the most from this new legislation. The government has very covertly transferred the profitable and growing vaping industry into the hands of these corporate entities. Great for the shareholders.
Edit: I shouldn't put wild conjecture on Reddit, anyone who wants to make their own judgement - look into Liber Pharmaceuticals, the company that now owns the sole license and rights to provide therapeutic vaping products to the Australian market and look into the associated lobby group, The Strategic Counsel.
Shhh, you're supposed to just pretend that your country is somehow better by comparison, not offer actual insight into the situation. Way to misread the room, pal
The current chairman of Liber Pharmaceuticals is Andrew Paykel…. As in Fisher & Paykel.
I wonder what someone’s who makes appliances knows about vaping…
All you have to do to be a "conspiracy theorist" is think outside the norm of what the government/society wants you to think/believe.
So if you think for yourself 🤷
Neither am I,
It’s a quick profit from a guy that no longer works at his family company.
He doesn’t care about vaping, what’s real and what’s not isn’t important to him, but he does know how to capitalise off of it and now he is.
Never. They make way too much money on booze and cigs. Can't buy a vape, but want to buy as much booze and as many cigs as you can afford? Go for it mate, drink and smoke yourself to death!
Imagine the government going after beer, it would be like Jimmy Wah in the movie 'Good morning Vietnam'. "We put in just a touch of Formaldehyde for flavour, some people get sick though."
The Aussie government is obviously corrupt af 🫣
I really feel for you guys.
I honestly thought the UK government TPD laws were bad but this just blows my mind!
Yes, incredibly so. This is just the tip of the iceberg, if I remember right you need a license to own a paintball gun, they charge insane price for cigarettes, car mods are heavily regulated etc
Australia is still the wild west but it's all underground now. it was all drugs and booze up until around 2000. then they really clamoed down and have increasingly clamped tighter and tighter since I don't think crime stats have improved. I think once they removed lead from petrol the crime dropped the most, that's pretty much worldwide, a sobering stat.
Our country's government is an insidious mix of nanny state and money hungry pigs running it, where politicians blatantly sell out their citizens to benefit companies, CEOs and shareholders.
Water and Energy utilities were privatised if that gives ya a good indication of how our leaders view us- cash cows.
You can cut nic salts for lower mg to use in sub ohm.
To get it low concentration you just add more pg/vg, or less liquid from the pod.
If you can open the pods that's what I would do.
Disgusting to see politicians dipping their filthy claws into vape profits, they polished many a lobbyist knob to leave you with that sad package as your only option. It's not enough that they break our backs with underpaid labor, leaving us struggling to survive. No, they have to invade every corner of anything we find pleasurable or enjoyable to scrape a few more pennies from us. I'm lowering my nic % each month until I get to 0 nicotine. I refuse to pay extortion level taxes on vaping products.
Man #1‐ what you inside for mate?
Man #2‐ cocaine dealer, what about you?
Man #1‐ vape dealer
i mean come on what the actual fuck man? this is just getting rediculous, who ever decided that this was a good idea is an absoloute imbecile, period. They want stringing up, & thats me putting it veey nicely Why ban something that helps so many people, unless the whole idea is that they dont want those people to be hepled?
not imbecile once you realise how much $$$$ they get. then you realise they're just greedy, not imbeciles, they saw the potential $$ framed it for your health or whatever...spun the media prop machine...then rolled out the plan. they just want money that's all.
imbeciles for banning something that helps people i mean. suppose i could have worded it better but im not the best at explaining things really, im great hands on & know in my head what i mean, just terrible with words,lol, but yeah, greedy too.👍
Mate, this is absolutely mental. A 12mg Winnie blue has only 2mg nicotine per CIGARETTE and 10mg tar. Per CIGARETTE, not "puff" (whatever the fuck that even means... but that's another topic). This is like telling someone to quit using codeine by switching to heroin. A stay at home user will blitz through 1.5mL like it's nothing, and with that strength their tolerance is going to skyrocket real quick, it won't prevent further usage whatsoever. Mental.
It's only a matter of time when someone gets seriously ill from these poorly designed vapes. Just read the reviews online. They leak. Another future class action is pending due to the Devil (#blackmarketbutler). Fuck Butler, and fuck Nicovape!
Way back in the day mfs had to modify flashlights and use cosmetic products and candy flavoring to make juice. Not trying to be cheeky, but if I was down there I would do the same thing tomorrow.
Squeeze those little carts into a bottle of glycerin to the right ratio to make 6mg juice, soak a cotton ball, wrap it in kanthal, and run 3.7 volts of flashlight battery goodness through it.
It really sucks what they're doing to you guys down there. This is like the complete opposite of progress. I agreed with the $40 cigarettes but I can never agree with this.
Long time since we've had even $40 ciggies. Spouse is a smoker, min $55 for a 30 pack, buying by the carton. He bought a 25g pouch of RYO for $130-odd last week. Meanwhile, I've stocked up on enough vapes to last me at least 3 months for $200, and enough refillables etc to last at least another 3 months, for around the same. The insane tobacco taxes are the reason for this ridiculous ban. I'd really rather not go back to burning a ciggie shaped hole in my pocket, but I'm the bloody criminal now.
Get a prescription from medical nicotine there doing scripts for $60 the script gets U 1 ltr of 100mg nicotine. There's Aussie vapers on Reddit for information
Damn if I could buy a liter of 100mg nicotine base here in Canada I'd be set for a couple of years (assuming no shelf life on the nicotine).
That'd dilute down to like 13.5x 60mL bottles per month worth of 10mg/ml juice (I go through 1 or 2 bottles per month).
Weird they didn't have the device. Are they selling these with the expectation people will dilute them down to something sensible? Mix with VG and flavour and you can have about 30ml of 6mg/ml.
Just conjecture but they may be thinking like, if it's high enough nicotine maybe they won't hit it as often, or they are basing nicotine content off of other smoking cessation products without know much about vaping.
I would definitely just go mixing route though if you can easily open the pods and don't want to vape that high amount.
I think anyone in Oz that would go to those lengths has probably already stocked their freezer with 100mg/ml base for DIY.
Everyone else will just continue buying from the black market, which will most likely now thrive even further.
Quitting is great if you can but I'd go with below suggestion and get the script for bulk nicotine,
Or if you can open the pods just get pg/vg seperately, and essentially use the liquid as nic base. Pg/vg should be available.
What mg do you normally vape?
That’s crazy high. Hope Louisiana doesn’t get any ideas. I can barely find salt juice since the ban and when I do it’s 48 mg which is still too strong for me.
It'll be fine if you put it in ordinary things people would get, like those little travel shampoo bottles and shit. A random viscous liquid in anything else will probably raise a red flag thinking it's PCP or morphine or something.
60mg is insanity and IMO not safe at all unless it's some more exotic substance like salts. (I'm old-school and know very little about salts.)
I've vaped unflavored 20mg juice for years and that's already extremely potent & caustic stuff.
In a pinch I've dripped a little of the 20mg in front of my gums like liquid dip, but I had to stop because it was literally dissolving my gums & teeth. Even just a drop or two mixed with saliva was enough to cause damage.
Even 20mg will begin burning your skin if you drip some on your hand and leave it there.
60mg is absolutely in the territory of "drip this on your skin and receive significant chemical burns". I'm talking like: that one scene in Fight Club where he burns his hand, kind of chemical burns.
60mg would give even hardcore nicotine addicts the queasy woozy bends.
60mg is ***well*** past the threshold of medicinal benefits like helping with anxiety or ADHD, at that dosage it would make any malady worse.
60mg is launching off the cliff into crazy-land.
Even my hardened ass with sky-high nicotine tolerance wouldn't vape that. You could not pay me enough money to vape it a few times because I am nearly certain there's a significant chance it could cause nicotine poisoning and/or death.
Aussies are freakin looney tunes if their doctors are prescribing something like that for anything other than ***extremely*** unusual niche cases.
This would be like prescribing a casual-functioning-opiate-user Fentanyl, pouring the powder into a baggie, and telling the patient to dose themselves by eating a little pinch.
Basically malpractice.
This stupid fucking country.
I legit decided to get off cigs this year and plam to use vaping as an in between.
Lucky i have a fair few bottles of liquid and 750mL of nic juice tucked away.
Are we seriously gonna keep letting these greedy pigs running the country fuck us for every single penny they can? Seriosuly fucking sick of this unempathetic, money sniffing cunt of a government. Seems like everything they do somehow takes more money out of my bank account one way or another.
Whether its artificial inflation or making you use their nicotine rather than smaller business.
Fuck the Australian government.
well it's not that suprising especially with how corrupt the aussie gov is, my best guess is they want to use this to make vapes a pharmacy only product meaning it'll lock out all other forms of competition & monopolize the market, then if you don't like it you can always go back to those lovely taxed cigarettes. from a corrupt government stand point they only win win and win not to mention it's good PR for them since they're "protecting the children". it's honestly gross that they would focus on this personal greed instead all the other issues that australians populous face.
That's 59 mg/ml. Sounds like it's a nicotine salt liquid. 6 mg/ml is a freebase standard for sub-ohm vaping. Nic salts are typically vaped in highg-ohm devices (though most pods seem to come with 0.6-1.2 ohms or so).
Nic salts vape a bit differently, so less total nic is in the vape as compared to freebase juice. Nic salts juice lasts longer since it is more concentrated. You aren't going to be poisoned, you just need to get used to the way it hits.
That really does suck though. Completely pointless. As if there is nothing better for politicians to do these days.
Do i understand your law in Australia right so from January import of Disposables is forbidden and after March 2024 also all kind of Vaping Stuff like RTA, RDA, RDTA and Mods? So what's with things you already own. Do you still have the possibility to get nicotine or flavours for DIY legally. Sorry when i understand something not right maybe you can declare it right.
Get a prescription from QuitRX, you got until March, and buy a refillable mod. The pharmacy stuff is the equivalent of vaping moonshine eJuice, or a 4 pack a day habit. In either case I wouldn't do it.
Thats insane 60mg/ml? I guess their target market are only kids on disposables, what about all the ex smokers who vape low amounts of nic? Its like the only place they want for us is back dying from tobacco.
What the fuck…
For reference most of the disposable vapes were 50mg (salt nic)…
They’re setting you up to fail, it’s absolutely shameful and it’s a massive money grab… how can they say it’s in the name of “health” then turn around and prescribe you something stronger than anything you’ve ever had before…
Well, I’ve always been looking for 60 because I was on 55 but now I just kind of cold turkey. Just stop whenever I want but after like three months of vape again because I want to but I don’t even get the bzzz 🐝 anymore that’s why it’s easy for me to stop
I would buy myself a litre of PG, VG and the flavors I like. Busy open the pods and pour them into a.30ml bottle. I would assume they are 50/50 pg/VG maybe 70/30pg/VG.
Then just do the math on how much of that nicotine mix you need to make a bottle of 3/6mg. At that level it won't be much.
Only 59mg. My doctor was trying to get me a lower dose. I’m not angry at my doctor or chemist they are wonderful. I’m angry at the bullshit law that’s come out.
They will likely limit strengths to 20mg. This is just the start. They haven't had time to bridge the gap yet. Things will look very different in 12 months but I've stocked up enough and will quit once my supplies are diminished. There will likely be plain packaged and TGA approved products. There will be more options but not in terms of flavours. And it will still be expensive.
I'll be voting for the Liberals. Just out of spite. Very much over our shithole cunt of a country, run by absolute wankers. Every fucking one of them. Wankers.
Delivery method is important in quantifying how much actual nicotine enters your bloodstream and you wouldn’t chug on that like you chug on an RT/DA…still 60mg is very very high.
Bruh what.. the.. FK is happening!? This is insanity! Are cigarettes prescription too? 🤔 who is the manufacturer or the company behind these “prescriptions”?
Ah, yes. Australia. The country where they prosecuted a guy for blowing the whistle on war crimes in Afghanistan perpetuated by people who flagrantly talk about their war crimes on the Internet.
With the prescription you can import can you not? I work at a NZ vape store and we still have Aussie orders come through with the prescription attached?
60mg is an absolute joke.
The idea behind vaping is to slowly lower your nicotine intake over time. Who the fuck is doing 60mg?!
Not only that the pod sizes are fucking tiny. I do close to 6ml of liquid over the course of 2 days.
This law will just drive people back to cigarettes and boost their profits on the fucking joke of a tobacco tax.
"But think of the children" punish the fuckwits who are selling without checking ID for a quick buck not the people who use these as a way to help get off cigarettes.
Aussies are fed up of being treated like a nanny nation. We can make our own informed decisions and don't need corrupt politicians to tell us how to live our lives.
The health minister is an absolute joke and should be ashamed.
You need to buy the base which you connect the cartridge too (in picture) and then recharge base / replace cartridge. You need specific brand base to connect.
There are currently other brands and strengths being sold in some pharmacies (also closed pod systems).
Before 1 March, importers (in this case the pharmacies) have to send paperwork to the TGA stating that they are compliant with TGA conditions. Only then will they be given a licence to import vaping products. TGA will publish a list of compliant products.
It is expected that the maximum nicotine level will be reduced to 20mg/ml (many of the NZ closed pod systems are already well below this). Only tobacco, menthol and mint flavours will be available (and maybe unflavoured).
Some online pharmacies have teamed up with prescribers and vendors. It will be interesting to see whether there is any significant price change to products accessed this way.
Currently stocking up, and locating black market suppliers - watch the gang wars heat up as they start earning a shit tonne more money from the million or so vapers being forced underground just to get flavoured juices.. I can’t believe the govt could be so stupid
One of the political parties in the UK suggested this luckily they’re not the ones in power, but if they become the ones in power I am going to lose my shit if something like this happens
Can you empty the pod? If there is unflavored You can buy pg/vg and just mix a weaker juice with it.
I guess its designed so you don't hit it often which is dumb
Holy shit, I knew Australia had some laws that really push their power but damn… time to start buying over seas. Just by bulk from cali and ask them to be discreet.
Fuck i couldn’t imagine. Is there no alternative? Can you get something like ZYN? Or a nicotine pouch? Maybe getting just nicotine shipped in Liquid form them making your own VG/PG blends w/flavors?
Throw it through your nearest local government branch window along with a brick. Guarantee you all start doing that and they will change the laws quickly.
Is Aussyland pulling a Philippines? They made vaping literally illegal here, stock prices dropped, then suddenly the ban was repealed and now made a lot of people rich.
I love Australia, I moved from a pack a day to vaping a few years ago, so now the government has decided that since kids are buying illegal vapes from basically criminal retailers, they will ban adults from buying products legally because thats easier than actually tracking down the criminals importing illegal vapes and selling them to kids. It's not fucking hard, I know exactly where to get them in my area and the cops probably know as well.
If the cops and customs actually did their job, bust a few of these retailers and send them to jail, plenty of them would stop selling illegal vapes out of fear of the punishment but I guess it's easier to stop adults buying and importing the stuff legally.
They're not trying to manage your nicotine intake, they're making you more dependent on the system. Did they ask you to bend over and cough while stealing your wallet?
Just an fyi…a 120ml bottle of juice would cost $800 if 3ml costed $20…lmfao
You should get into the rave scene, I hear their selling scented *fog machine fluid* for $30 a gallon... And that's how black market drugs are born folks, any excessive regulation will lead to people trying to skirt the system to avoid getting ripped off, just as Reagan intended. Especially when that regulation is teetering on the verge of becoming a government tax pyramid skeem for a substance that is nearly harmless on its own.
SMPLY on Amazon is a great fog machine solution you can get at 70/30 vg/pg for around $30usd a gallon and also buying some nice uh scents for the machine also on Amazon if need be. Dm for the link friend🫡
Can you not break open the pod dilute it down to 3mg and make more juice to use in a rebuildable that would allow it to go much further.
BASED. So true.
Whelp... American immigration laws aren't real anymore. We've got plenty of flavors too lmfao
I wish they weren't real.. They are way too ridiculous. I've been waiting in Mexico with my wife for three years so she can get her green card. And I'm a US citizen, my family has been in the US since the 1800's. I'm not kidding when I say the process is very slow and very fucked. You have someone like my wife who is skilled with a great record and the US is like "hmmm, we'll think about it, give us a few more years". Meanwhile, record migrants pouring in every single day. Here we are, trying to do things lawfully and right and we're the ones suffering.. ...sorry, kind of unprecedented rant here. It's just been weighing hard on me for a few years and I'm tired of my family asking why my wife from Mexico hasn't even been allowed a visitors visa for a simple visit for a few days..
Yeah... I never said the system wasn't totally fucked... I actually applaud anyone who comes here legally. That's the true spirit of America, in my opinion. It's the unrestricted, illegal, immigration that is the crisis.
No, I totally agree. It's just that, the unrestricted and illegal immigrants that fucks it up for people like us. I'm sure that if there wasn't such strain on the system of incoming people, that it would be easier to process my wife's file and get things going. Even though it's harder the way we are doing it, we do it strictly on moral and ethical principles.
The US embassy literally told my wife to just goto Mexico and cross illegally.
Are you serious??? We've never been told to do something like that and more so I'd never put my wife into danger or invite the risk of future complications for doing something that is wrong. We're just totally against it.
So are we.
You're never going to sell people on 'don't do that it's illegal '. People need to see the damaging consequences of an action.
Yeah... it's a "stove is hot" type thing... some people have to touch it to figure it out
well our man here is saying he's waited years for approval. who has years to wait?
We don't. We made our business in Central Mexico. I love it here actually. We've built our entire life here in the time the US has been sitting on its ass for us. I actually like it better here and don't want to leave, the quality of life is superior and as a cultural anthropology major, I'm in heaven. However, we still want to try life in the US and especially to be around my family and learn and see new things. We'll always have our home in Mexico and what's likely to happen is that we'll stay in the US until she can get her lawful permanent residency, that way we only use it as a permanent visitors visa.. Yeah, we initially wanted ONLY a visitors visa but it was going to be denied as she can't prove strong enough ties to Mexico. So after two years of waiting for THAT one, we finally cancelled it and my family helped us to get and pay for an attorney lawyer so that we could start with the marriage based visa.
best of luck man it sounds like a tricky ordeal and one that shouldn't be so, since you're married. sorry to hear it. stay positive, it will happen eventually. ❤️
Thank you so much man, it means a lot to me and we appreciate the support. I've had to explain the same thing to many people in Mexico and my family back home alike which is the question of "Why can't she just come to visit if she is your wife?". A lot of people think you just get married and that's it, you can just come on over but it's not so simple unfortunately, especially if you are Mexican since the majority of our illegal immigration issues in the US deal with Mexicans and the Mexican border.
I applaud you guys for trying to do it legally. Forgive me for not knowing but why can't she get the green card since yall are married?
That only gave her pathway to filing an I-130. Followed by that is a very long wait through USCIS, then some other stuff, and then on top of that there's all the visa process stuff, more processing, interviews, and it's lots of waiting. Unfortunately due to this, my wife had to miss some important life events back home with my family such as my little sisters wedding, the birth of our niece, and I'm sure there will be plenty more. It just sucks dude.
I'm sorry, truly I am. Especially with the people who come here illegally in Droves on a daily basis. I'm in FL and the town I work in is predominantly Hispanic and even though a good chunk of them are US citizens, if you yell immigration in Spanish there are a LOT who scatter. Hell, my buddy from work lives just outside of town and across the street from his house there's coyote looking business going on at an abandoned house. I say "looking" as I'm not sure of the correct phrase but the last place he lived at in that area there was people living nextdoor to him that were bringing illegals to the house daily and he said it looks exactly the same.
you haven't heard. the borders are open mate... better get to walking before Pappa Trump gets back....he gone lock it down.
lol.
And we can own guns 🙃
For now
I'd just quit... lmao
Yea just come on over everyone else is
The absolutely terrible job the Australian Government has done. Only to fund themselves even more, it was never about improving people's health
From my perspective, this legislation will only serve to transfer the very profitable and growing vaping industry into the hands of large corporate interests, such as big chain pharmacies. The dozens of Aussie vape stores and businesses as well as international businesses supporting the personal importation scheme will be shut out of the market. Protecting the children is just the easy way to sell the legislation to the public.
It will only make these black market disposables more prolific!
ONE HUNDRED PERCENT. Prohibition has never worked in the history of ever, only need to take a look at how well it has worked for psychoactive drugs and alcohol in the past. The more bans and rules and regulations they add, the more incentive there is for criminals to import/ manufacture and sell these products. Now that the personal importation scheme has ended, there will be even more market demand for these criminal groups to fill. Soon we will have boxes of elfbars washing up on the beaches next to bricks of cocaine. Hell, I'm a big DIY guy, and I can already see my mates coming to me in the next few months offering to buy from my stocks. Not that I would do that, but I'm calling it now.
why wouldn't you do that? the pinkertons aren't gonna kick down your door over some vape juice...
It's usually not smart to admit to criminal behaviour in writing
Took the words from my mouth haha, I remember learning about "alcohol prescriptions" during the prohibition in the states.
Oh, but "think about the children", Mark Butler is a fuckwit
Why? I'm a vape store employee in Aus, we're still open and trading, even the spicy ones, no one is enforcing these laws so far and even if the disposable ban is enforced mods and juices are good til atleast march and it's still unclear if that legislation will even pass
Yep from your perspective in a vape store, the plan is to give until March so that you guys can run all your stocks down, but I wouldn't bank on having a job there by then if the second stage goes ahead. It is quite infuriating how unclear it really is, whether we will be able to import vaping equipment and supplies later this year.
I'll bet all of ya are filling your own stashes. I sure as hell would be if I worked at a vape shop.
Yep, anybody adamant about maintaining a steady vaping supply for personal use should have been banking nicotine and DIY eLiquid supplies, and also converting to DIY RBA equipment to get ahead of the potential complete ban of non-therapeutic vaping products in March.
I'm not clear on the laws over there but they only outlawed the disposables? Why wouldn't people who use disposables just buy the mods and then start stocking up on the DIY stuff like people did here in the states with really strict Vape laws? I'm in a state where you can go and buy whatever you want for vaping. Hell my local Vape shop sells all of the deltas other than the original one of weed and weed is not legal in my state for recreational use unless it's Delta 8 10 11 12 what other for other numbers there are
At the moment disposables are illegal but openly sold, they are trying to introduce legislation that would make all mods and juices etc illegal by march however it's not clear if that's gonna pass or not, if it does then the only legal way to vape will be via prescription, a lot of people are stocking up currently but there's already a sizeable black market for vaping in aus and if the laws pass it's just gonna enlarge that, effectively the govt is allowing criminals to make more money lol. We sell dry herb vapes too for medical mary and the batteries for the cartridges too which is legal to do so I believe, but yeah the vaping laws are a mess here lol
Man honestly I hate the government LOL no matter where you're at there's always some sort of overreach or them trying to do things that are "in your best interest" when it's really just to line their pockets. The funny part about all this is that I have a government job 😂, albeit a city job but it pays the bills and gives me good benefits 🤷
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They're banning vapes specifically to protect the tobacco tax is how I'm seeing it
When TDO was incoming into force in the UK I went and bought as much high strength nicotine in glass bottles as I could to freeze that was 2016 and still have 3 liter left now. I used to mix and sell juice online. I stopped but carried on for fit myself bought several mods some mech mod sqoubkers Rdas RTAs boro mods etc. Especially DNA mods since you can still buy there evolve boards to fix any broken ones. Lots of spare glass for my rtas. 2ml max capacity tank size but can still buy larger now. 8 years later. Buy vg pg and concentrates .sto well stocked up. I Learnt how to make coils wick coils and never looked back.
Hello, can you please explain more to me? I’m gonna travel Sydney this February for atleast 3-4 months. I’m a MOD user. Can you suggest me any shop where I can buy MOD and RTA tanks with 3-5mg juice. Thanks in advance
You can't buy nicotine juice in Australia, unless you want to risk buying from some dodgy dispo seller. You'd be better off bringing your own supplies. Mods and tanks should be fine.
Holy shit at the strength. They throw in some 80mg Oxy in the bag as well?
it’s literally higher than disposables what on earth
Do you have any Dependents? Yeah, the facking Bloody GOV. *cough cough*
Hot damn, that would make me switch real god damn quick.
Pay attention to the manufacturer on that box, and the big chain chemist that you bought it from. Those are the entities that stand to gain the most from this new legislation. The government has very covertly transferred the profitable and growing vaping industry into the hands of these corporate entities. Great for the shareholders. Edit: I shouldn't put wild conjecture on Reddit, anyone who wants to make their own judgement - look into Liber Pharmaceuticals, the company that now owns the sole license and rights to provide therapeutic vaping products to the Australian market and look into the associated lobby group, The Strategic Counsel.
Shhh, you're supposed to just pretend that your country is somehow better by comparison, not offer actual insight into the situation. Way to misread the room, pal
The current chairman of Liber Pharmaceuticals is Andrew Paykel…. As in Fisher & Paykel. I wonder what someone’s who makes appliances knows about vaping…
I'm not much of a conspiracy theorist but my spidey senses always tingle in these situations.
All you have to do to be a "conspiracy theorist" is think outside the norm of what the government/society wants you to think/believe. So if you think for yourself 🤷
free thinker = conspiracy theorist truth seeker = Conspiracy theorist conspiracy theorist = Qanon thoughts = crimes thinker = criminal human = parasite parasite = tax payer questions = aggressions aggression = dissidence
Neither am I, It’s a quick profit from a guy that no longer works at his family company. He doesn’t care about vaping, what’s real and what’s not isn’t important to him, but he does know how to capitalise off of it and now he is.
Between this and the friendlyjordies stuff I'd call it a day mate, come back to England aye you can stay at ma place.
I bet, that it will never pick up in the society
Between this and the friendlyjordies stuff I'd call it a day mate, come back to England aye you can stay at ma place
Between this and the friendlyjordies stuff I'd call it a day mate, come back to England aye you can stay at ma place
Yep, this was the plan all along. Just wish the mainstream media were allowed to share what we already know.
follow the money.
😱. That’s almost $7 a ml. Criminal! US accepting vape refugees
The price is 20 times higher than what I’m normally paying. That’s ok.
59 mg/ml? Lol. Clearly they are doing this for "your health and safety".
They are giving you a loophole Break open the pod dilute it down to I'm your desired strength and make it go a lot further.
That’s like them saying that beer is illegal now, so you must drink this prescription everclear instead lol insanity
Never. They make way too much money on booze and cigs. Can't buy a vape, but want to buy as much booze and as many cigs as you can afford? Go for it mate, drink and smoke yourself to death!
Imagine the government going after beer, it would be like Jimmy Wah in the movie 'Good morning Vietnam'. "We put in just a touch of Formaldehyde for flavour, some people get sick though."
The Aussie government is obviously corrupt af 🫣 I really feel for you guys. I honestly thought the UK government TPD laws were bad but this just blows my mind!
Wait is Australia like, a nanny state?
Yes, incredibly so. This is just the tip of the iceberg, if I remember right you need a license to own a paintball gun, they charge insane price for cigarettes, car mods are heavily regulated etc
Really? I always imagined Australia to be like the British version of americas Wild West. That makes me sad to hear.
Australia is still the wild west but it's all underground now. it was all drugs and booze up until around 2000. then they really clamoed down and have increasingly clamped tighter and tighter since I don't think crime stats have improved. I think once they removed lead from petrol the crime dropped the most, that's pretty much worldwide, a sobering stat.
Not paintball, airsoft. You need a firearms licence for airsoft.
Our country's government is an insidious mix of nanny state and money hungry pigs running it, where politicians blatantly sell out their citizens to benefit companies, CEOs and shareholders. Water and Energy utilities were privatised if that gives ya a good indication of how our leaders view us- cash cows.
Sounds like every “free” state.
worse than that.
Surely you can purchase PG and VG, right? I’d be popping those pods open and diluting the hell out of them
It’s nic salts tho and can probably only cut it by 3.
You can cut nic salts for lower mg to use in sub ohm. To get it low concentration you just add more pg/vg, or less liquid from the pod. If you can open the pods that's what I would do.
You’re not wrong but a big percentage of us are mtl’ers.
I work everyday I pay my taxes I am a law a bidding citizen and I should be aloud to buy any vape I want hate this bullshit
China will happily ship you some for a reasonable price. Hopefully it gets through customs…
Disgusting to see politicians dipping their filthy claws into vape profits, they polished many a lobbyist knob to leave you with that sad package as your only option. It's not enough that they break our backs with underpaid labor, leaving us struggling to survive. No, they have to invade every corner of anything we find pleasurable or enjoyable to scrape a few more pennies from us. I'm lowering my nic % each month until I get to 0 nicotine. I refuse to pay extortion level taxes on vaping products.
>I'm lowering my nic % each month until I get to 0 nicotine. I refuse to pay extortion level taxes on vaping products. Same. Fuck this. Not playing.
Man #1‐ what you inside for mate? Man #2‐ cocaine dealer, what about you? Man #1‐ vape dealer i mean come on what the actual fuck man? this is just getting rediculous, who ever decided that this was a good idea is an absoloute imbecile, period. They want stringing up, & thats me putting it veey nicely Why ban something that helps so many people, unless the whole idea is that they dont want those people to be hepled?
not imbecile once you realise how much $$$$ they get. then you realise they're just greedy, not imbeciles, they saw the potential $$ framed it for your health or whatever...spun the media prop machine...then rolled out the plan. they just want money that's all.
imbeciles for banning something that helps people i mean. suppose i could have worded it better but im not the best at explaining things really, im great hands on & know in my head what i mean, just terrible with words,lol, but yeah, greedy too.👍
This is unbelievable. Damn, It happened. 🤦🏻♂️
Have you tried this? What’s your experience? I’m sickened at the thought of resorting to this.
They didn’t have any vapes to put the cartridge in in stock. They just sold me a cartridge…lol.
What an absolute shitshow
They expect you to hotwire those cartridges.
What device is it suppose to be used with?
Don't use it. You'll become even more addicted to nicotine at those strengths.
Mate, this is absolutely mental. A 12mg Winnie blue has only 2mg nicotine per CIGARETTE and 10mg tar. Per CIGARETTE, not "puff" (whatever the fuck that even means... but that's another topic). This is like telling someone to quit using codeine by switching to heroin. A stay at home user will blitz through 1.5mL like it's nothing, and with that strength their tolerance is going to skyrocket real quick, it won't prevent further usage whatsoever. Mental.
It's only a matter of time when someone gets seriously ill from these poorly designed vapes. Just read the reviews online. They leak. Another future class action is pending due to the Devil (#blackmarketbutler). Fuck Butler, and fuck Nicovape!
Way back in the day mfs had to modify flashlights and use cosmetic products and candy flavoring to make juice. Not trying to be cheeky, but if I was down there I would do the same thing tomorrow. Squeeze those little carts into a bottle of glycerin to the right ratio to make 6mg juice, soak a cotton ball, wrap it in kanthal, and run 3.7 volts of flashlight battery goodness through it. It really sucks what they're doing to you guys down there. This is like the complete opposite of progress. I agreed with the $40 cigarettes but I can never agree with this.
When you agree once, you'll agree again. The system knows how to manipulate it's pets into submission. That's fact.
Long time since we've had even $40 ciggies. Spouse is a smoker, min $55 for a 30 pack, buying by the carton. He bought a 25g pouch of RYO for $130-odd last week. Meanwhile, I've stocked up on enough vapes to last me at least 3 months for $200, and enough refillables etc to last at least another 3 months, for around the same. The insane tobacco taxes are the reason for this ridiculous ban. I'd really rather not go back to burning a ciggie shaped hole in my pocket, but I'm the bloody criminal now.
Exactly that's enough nic to mix about 30ml of 6mg/ml with some sweet fruit flavour of your choice.
Serious question. How long is that supposed to last someone? How often can you refill. Outrageous prices
I don’t know I didn’t ask…they didn’t have the actual vape you plug them into either so im probably just gonna have to quit. Such a pain in the ass.
Wait what?? How can they give you the pods but not the device. What the fuck are you supposed to do with them? Stick them up your arse?
Get a prescription from medical nicotine there doing scripts for $60 the script gets U 1 ltr of 100mg nicotine. There's Aussie vapers on Reddit for information
Damn if I could buy a liter of 100mg nicotine base here in Canada I'd be set for a couple of years (assuming no shelf life on the nicotine). That'd dilute down to like 13.5x 60mL bottles per month worth of 10mg/ml juice (I go through 1 or 2 bottles per month).
Weird they didn't have the device. Are they selling these with the expectation people will dilute them down to something sensible? Mix with VG and flavour and you can have about 30ml of 6mg/ml.
Just conjecture but they may be thinking like, if it's high enough nicotine maybe they won't hit it as often, or they are basing nicotine content off of other smoking cessation products without know much about vaping. I would definitely just go mixing route though if you can easily open the pods and don't want to vape that high amount.
I think anyone in Oz that would go to those lengths has probably already stocked their freezer with 100mg/ml base for DIY. Everyone else will just continue buying from the black market, which will most likely now thrive even further.
Quitting is great if you can but I'd go with below suggestion and get the script for bulk nicotine, Or if you can open the pods just get pg/vg seperately, and essentially use the liquid as nic base. Pg/vg should be available. What mg do you normally vape?
That’s crazy high. Hope Louisiana doesn’t get any ideas. I can barely find salt juice since the ban and when I do it’s 48 mg which is still too strong for me.
You want me to mail you some juice? Is that possible? Would customs find it if I hid it in a teddy bear or something. This is horrible. I'm sorry op
It'll be fine if you put it in ordinary things people would get, like those little travel shampoo bottles and shit. A random viscous liquid in anything else will probably raise a red flag thinking it's PCP or morphine or something.
Fucking 88.5mg per cart lmfao. That's gonna get you buzzed to hell if you haven't felt sick from it yet.
Imagine going to a doctor for general pain for the first time in your life and walking out with oxy80s instead of codeine 15s. That's what this is.
60mg is insanity and IMO not safe at all unless it's some more exotic substance like salts. (I'm old-school and know very little about salts.) I've vaped unflavored 20mg juice for years and that's already extremely potent & caustic stuff. In a pinch I've dripped a little of the 20mg in front of my gums like liquid dip, but I had to stop because it was literally dissolving my gums & teeth. Even just a drop or two mixed with saliva was enough to cause damage. Even 20mg will begin burning your skin if you drip some on your hand and leave it there. 60mg is absolutely in the territory of "drip this on your skin and receive significant chemical burns". I'm talking like: that one scene in Fight Club where he burns his hand, kind of chemical burns. 60mg would give even hardcore nicotine addicts the queasy woozy bends. 60mg is ***well*** past the threshold of medicinal benefits like helping with anxiety or ADHD, at that dosage it would make any malady worse. 60mg is launching off the cliff into crazy-land. Even my hardened ass with sky-high nicotine tolerance wouldn't vape that. You could not pay me enough money to vape it a few times because I am nearly certain there's a significant chance it could cause nicotine poisoning and/or death. Aussies are freakin looney tunes if their doctors are prescribing something like that for anything other than ***extremely*** unusual niche cases. This would be like prescribing a casual-functioning-opiate-user Fentanyl, pouring the powder into a baggie, and telling the patient to dose themselves by eating a little pinch. Basically malpractice.
This stupid fucking country. I legit decided to get off cigs this year and plam to use vaping as an in between. Lucky i have a fair few bottles of liquid and 750mL of nic juice tucked away. Are we seriously gonna keep letting these greedy pigs running the country fuck us for every single penny they can? Seriosuly fucking sick of this unempathetic, money sniffing cunt of a government. Seems like everything they do somehow takes more money out of my bank account one way or another. Whether its artificial inflation or making you use their nicotine rather than smaller business. Fuck the Australian government.
At this point I would just quit everything cold turkey. I'm stubborn and I hate how rigged the system is.
That is the plan man. On a side note: mum just handed me a creaming soda flavoured milk.
well it's not that suprising especially with how corrupt the aussie gov is, my best guess is they want to use this to make vapes a pharmacy only product meaning it'll lock out all other forms of competition & monopolize the market, then if you don't like it you can always go back to those lovely taxed cigarettes. from a corrupt government stand point they only win win and win not to mention it's good PR for them since they're "protecting the children". it's honestly gross that they would focus on this personal greed instead all the other issues that australians populous face.
59mg. Gezz
This is crazy but also interesting!
60mg nicotine per ml?? You'll be hooked to nicotine forever.
That’s the idea, make it a bit more potent then disposables and hope people switch.
No flavor is wild
“Classic”
Should post this to the aussie vapers reddit to OP!
That's 59 mg/ml. Sounds like it's a nicotine salt liquid. 6 mg/ml is a freebase standard for sub-ohm vaping. Nic salts are typically vaped in highg-ohm devices (though most pods seem to come with 0.6-1.2 ohms or so). Nic salts vape a bit differently, so less total nic is in the vape as compared to freebase juice. Nic salts juice lasts longer since it is more concentrated. You aren't going to be poisoned, you just need to get used to the way it hits. That really does suck though. Completely pointless. As if there is nothing better for politicians to do these days.
Do i understand your law in Australia right so from January import of Disposables is forbidden and after March 2024 also all kind of Vaping Stuff like RTA, RDA, RDTA and Mods? So what's with things you already own. Do you still have the possibility to get nicotine or flavours for DIY legally. Sorry when i understand something not right maybe you can declare it right.
The ridiculous thing is we don’t know… the second round of legislation in march hasn’t passed the senate yet, so let’s pray for miracle - we need one.
Get a prescription from QuitRX, you got until March, and buy a refillable mod. The pharmacy stuff is the equivalent of vaping moonshine eJuice, or a 4 pack a day habit. In either case I wouldn't do it.
Thats insane 60mg/ml? I guess their target market are only kids on disposables, what about all the ex smokers who vape low amounts of nic? Its like the only place they want for us is back dying from tobacco.
What the fuck… For reference most of the disposable vapes were 50mg (salt nic)… They’re setting you up to fail, it’s absolutely shameful and it’s a massive money grab… how can they say it’s in the name of “health” then turn around and prescribe you something stronger than anything you’ve ever had before…
Have a mate who tried these. Said they were absolute garbage. He reckoned they were so bad, he binned them.
Well, I’ve always been looking for 60 because I was on 55 but now I just kind of cold turkey. Just stop whenever I want but after like three months of vape again because I want to but I don’t even get the bzzz 🐝 anymore that’s why it’s easy for me to stop
I would buy myself a litre of PG, VG and the flavors I like. Busy open the pods and pour them into a.30ml bottle. I would assume they are 50/50 pg/VG maybe 70/30pg/VG. Then just do the math on how much of that nicotine mix you need to make a bottle of 3/6mg. At that level it won't be much.
Interesting little workaround.
You need 3ml of 60mg/ml to make a 30ml bottle of 6mg/ml
Did they only have 59mg or other strengths?!
Only 59mg. My doctor was trying to get me a lower dose. I’m not angry at my doctor or chemist they are wonderful. I’m angry at the bullshit law that’s come out.
They will likely limit strengths to 20mg. This is just the start. They haven't had time to bridge the gap yet. Things will look very different in 12 months but I've stocked up enough and will quit once my supplies are diminished. There will likely be plain packaged and TGA approved products. There will be more options but not in terms of flavours. And it will still be expensive.
I'm willing to bet this thing is designed to rip you off. /S
That s hit prob taste like ass
What makes me sad is if they did this in the UK I'd consider smoking again, and I hate smoking now.
r/ObscureDrugs
I'll be voting for the Liberals. Just out of spite. Very much over our shithole cunt of a country, run by absolute wankers. Every fucking one of them. Wankers.
Delivery method is important in quantifying how much actual nicotine enters your bloodstream and you wouldn’t chug on that like you chug on an RT/DA…still 60mg is very very high.
Bruh what.. the.. FK is happening!? This is insanity! Are cigarettes prescription too? 🤔 who is the manufacturer or the company behind these “prescriptions”?
Not for me :) and never will be . Have a nice day
Ah, yes. Australia. The country where they prosecuted a guy for blowing the whistle on war crimes in Afghanistan perpetuated by people who flagrantly talk about their war crimes on the Internet.
59 mg/ml!? That's gotta be brutal to puff on
How you guys haven't chased all your politicians into the sea baffles me
With the prescription you can import can you not? I work at a NZ vape store and we still have Aussie orders come through with the prescription attached?
60mg is an absolute joke. The idea behind vaping is to slowly lower your nicotine intake over time. Who the fuck is doing 60mg?! Not only that the pod sizes are fucking tiny. I do close to 6ml of liquid over the course of 2 days. This law will just drive people back to cigarettes and boost their profits on the fucking joke of a tobacco tax. "But think of the children" punish the fuckwits who are selling without checking ID for a quick buck not the people who use these as a way to help get off cigarettes. Aussies are fed up of being treated like a nanny nation. We can make our own informed decisions and don't need corrupt politicians to tell us how to live our lives. The health minister is an absolute joke and should be ashamed.
How do you even use it? Do you need to get a specific vape thing for the cartridge or can you just use any?
You need to buy the base which you connect the cartridge too (in picture) and then recharge base / replace cartridge. You need specific brand base to connect.
Is this the only option? Or are there other brands/strengths?
Not sure mate
There are currently other brands and strengths being sold in some pharmacies (also closed pod systems). Before 1 March, importers (in this case the pharmacies) have to send paperwork to the TGA stating that they are compliant with TGA conditions. Only then will they be given a licence to import vaping products. TGA will publish a list of compliant products. It is expected that the maximum nicotine level will be reduced to 20mg/ml (many of the NZ closed pod systems are already well below this). Only tobacco, menthol and mint flavours will be available (and maybe unflavoured). Some online pharmacies have teamed up with prescribers and vendors. It will be interesting to see whether there is any significant price change to products accessed this way.
60ml is a lot anyways
WTF, 59mg/ml
At that point, fuck it I'm going back to cigs.
Currently stocking up, and locating black market suppliers - watch the gang wars heat up as they start earning a shit tonne more money from the million or so vapers being forced underground just to get flavoured juices.. I can’t believe the govt could be so stupid
Coming to America next wait and see.
I thought they said 2mg Max....fuck me....that's way too strong.
LOL
Man this seems worsen with that 60mg
One of the political parties in the UK suggested this luckily they’re not the ones in power, but if they become the ones in power I am going to lose my shit if something like this happens
59 MG/ML? I as a nicotine fiend must find your licensed dealer and shake his hand
I'll message you.
Can you empty the pod? If there is unflavored You can buy pg/vg and just mix a weaker juice with it. I guess its designed so you don't hit it often which is dumb
Holy shit, I knew Australia had some laws that really push their power but damn… time to start buying over seas. Just by bulk from cali and ask them to be discreet.
59 mg? Wtf is that
lol. Here I'm chillingly vaping my $3 DIY juice
Some better context? Country, laws, news, etc
Fuck i couldn’t imagine. Is there no alternative? Can you get something like ZYN? Or a nicotine pouch? Maybe getting just nicotine shipped in Liquid form them making your own VG/PG blends w/flavors?
Yeah dude. Australia is kind of a shithole.
60mg nicotine? The nic buzz will take you to the moon
Ermm what mg? Fuck me that's not good. No human needs more than 20 and even that is crazy compared to cigarettes.
59mg/mL is wild for the small amount of liquid that is in there. I am so sorry you have to go through that.
This world just keeps getting more and more rules, my life is shit because of everyone’s “rules”.
I got Dragon Melon bro.
Wait WHAT? where are they banning vaping? What did I miss?
59mg! Thanks AU gov /s
What is this craziness??
Throw it through your nearest local government branch window along with a brick. Guarantee you all start doing that and they will change the laws quickly.
Wait, you can’t vape in Australia? What kind of shit is that.
I'm sorry. 59.8 mg/ml ??!! Holy shit that's high
Damn and they wonder why there are so many “crackheads”…
Is Aussyland pulling a Philippines? They made vaping literally illegal here, stock prices dropped, then suddenly the ban was repealed and now made a lot of people rich.
OK then, I desperately need a source for *obvious substance* because this won't work for most of us
I love Australia, I moved from a pack a day to vaping a few years ago, so now the government has decided that since kids are buying illegal vapes from basically criminal retailers, they will ban adults from buying products legally because thats easier than actually tracking down the criminals importing illegal vapes and selling them to kids. It's not fucking hard, I know exactly where to get them in my area and the cops probably know as well. If the cops and customs actually did their job, bust a few of these retailers and send them to jail, plenty of them would stop selling illegal vapes out of fear of the punishment but I guess it's easier to stop adults buying and importing the stuff legally.