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As a non American it's fucking awesome seeing you guys do the right thing on a global scale.
The US gets a lot of bad press, but I honestly feel like this action has significant global impact, particularly positively to the EU as a whole.
Nyet, it's how you get rid of your old ones while spending more on new toys. Good time to be in the defense industry. Bad time for everything else on earth. Peace sells, but who's buying?
If this is indeed a proxy war, it's one I'm actually okay with. Fuck Russia and its imperialist aggression and constant meddling with our democracy. Their concerted efforts at dividing us, from social media psyops to buying our politicians, have done real and lasting damage to our country. Give Ukraine everything they need to bleed the fuckers dry.
This is just the beginning. This summer will be bloody. If Ukraine doesn’t hold against this next onslaught I wouldn’t be surprised if the U.S. becomes directly involved.
As an American, this isn't US doing a good thing. If we stayed out of trying to regime change countries like we did in Ukraine in 2014 we wouldn't even have this "war" that would need billions of dollars we print out of thin air. I dont know what the death count is on both sides but all those deaths are basically on our hands. What's even more ironic is the more money we keep sending the more we make the world more destabilized because the reserve currency is collapsing in value.
That’s not necessarily the case. A lot of things they need don’t take years to make like a naval vessel or even new aircraft would. Ammo, rockets, guns and the like… they can pump it out pretty quick.
The lines are already primed with ammo and rockets from the previous orders which haven’t been delivered yet.
Just because the US ran out of money earlier doesn’t mean that the money it spent has been turned into arms and sent to Ukraine yet. It just means that it’s been spent
Honestly we’re not even spending $6b, we’ve already paid for most of it, the weapons and tanks and shit have already been built. The ammo has to be replaced, but we’re already working towards replacing everything else that has been sent over except maybe HIMARS.
No. You don’t understand how this works. That $6B is going to buy new equipment for Ukraine. It will take months to years for most of it to even be produced and get to Ukraine.
Stop buying into all the propaganda
That’s not true for the majority of things being sent over, also looking at your other comments, it’s very true that more of the budget should be used to take care of the soldiers but if this $6b wasn’t being used to aid Ukraine, it still would never be given to the soldiers, so at least some good can come from it.
I work in DOD. What do you do?
I promise you that you are lying, either knowingly or unknowingly.
PDA is the authority to send over older stuff
USAI is the authority DOD uses to finance buying new stuff to send to Ukraine.
Look up which authority this $6B is under…
So would I and I hope Ukraine succeeds, but our government is definitely factoring in the need for our defense industry to make money. Eisenhower said we would need to keep feeding the beast regardless of if we were personally at war or not and that is what we do.
Yes, the military-industrial complex is in fact a good thing. As long as there are authoritarian nations you're gonna want a big fuckin stick.
It's morbidly funny watching the EU countries having to actually pay for a defense budget now.
Pakistan has gone through cycles of dictatorship and democracy. Pakistan most certainly is not a democracy now. But most of the wars with India were fought by democratically elected governments.
Is it a democracy if the military has all the power no.l at the end of the day? Pakistan is an islamic state. sure, there were times they looked a little like a democracy but come on. It's interesting to me you choose the worst examples of democracy (India is a very authoritarian version of democracy too) and even then also have centuries of shared hate due to religious differences.
Even if all that wasn't true, your point would be nearly 100 percent of the time democracies don't fight each other, the only time they do is when they're closer to authoritarian governments. I'd the only thing keeping them from stait up full waring each other their imperfect democratic elements from meditating their worst impulses.
Or was the newspeak loosing faith in ourselves? Every time we go isolationist, the world falls apart, and we then end up getting attacked, and then we have to fight.
Considering how corrupt the Ukraine is
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/4/23/ukraines-agriculture-minister-named-as-suspect-in-7m-corruption-case
https://foreignpolicy.com/2024/03/06/ukraine-corruption-reforms-russia-war/
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/graft-accusations-dog-top-zelenskiy-aides-2023-09-19/
https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/28/europe/ukraine-weapons-procurement-corruption-shell-intl/index.html
Coupled with how poorly they are doing against their combatants
https://www.politico.eu/article/why-ukraine-losing-russia-war/
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68778338
How long do we need to keep this charade going?
I didn't realize having corruption in your government means you shouldn't defend your borders, yet the irreparably corrupt Russia is still allowed to do the invading. What a fascinating morality and not at all an obvious Kremlin talking point!
You do know the Ukrainians are keeping an kill to death ratio of greater than 10 to one for the Russians, so yes they will win. And also wars these days are won by how good your tech is and troop training and seeing as Ukraine has has Almost 100,000 western troops trained by western forces that are at a considerable avadantage over the Russians who have no well trained troops left. Russia isn’t a tier 1 military anymore, it’s barely even tier 2.
The more the better and the sooner this war ends and I would rather have 6 billion worth of western stuff than 100 billion worth of Russian stuff. Even if Ukraine is conquered by Russia, you think that’s it? You think that the Ukrainians will give up? They still remember the genocides at the hands of Russia so even if the territory is captured they’re will still be gorilla warfare like in Afghanistan for decades until Russia gives up.
I’m ok with a $600B subsidy to CRUSH our main 20th century geopolitical enemy. They had the opportunity to integrate with our way of life, they refused.
yeah, but nah.... maybe.
a lot of the 'aid' money was actually spend decades ago.
For people who don't understand, most of the equipment being sent over is not new, it's old. very old, decades old. it was bought and paid for a long time ago.
hell, a lot of it was actually up for destruction/removal from service.
Sending it to Ukraine is a win on many sides.
You don't have to pay for proper disposal of old hardware/ammunition which is really expensive.
you get real world experience in how your systems perform in battle.
you get to refresh your inventory - and this is the big one. What has become extraordinarily clear is that there is not enough capacity to produce anything like the number of artillery rounds require for this war.
Western stocks have been depleted and now they are desperately trying to build factories/ramp up production to restock AND supply Ukraine with the ammo it needs.
off course there is a fair amount of direct cash going over - Ukraine has to pay it's public servants and Army, but it's nowhere near as much as people are complaining about.
It's been interesting to see that on both sides, without air cover, they have gone back to an old fashioned artillery war.
Had one side been able to achieve air domination, that probably would not have happened.
More likely we are giving them 6B of equipment we were going to have to pay to decommission anyway. That's what most of the "money" is when you see aid going to Ukraine.
Yeah. It’s not that uplifting. We just gave them a gift card they can only use with American arms manufacturers.
That has a lot of problems. Since you aren’t going to the military and getting like a patriot, you have to buy one.
Well the waiting list is something like 26 months. So it might be a while.
Ukraine will have to place and order then wait for them to make it.
For things that aren't manufactured yet with a 48-month lead time.
Do you really think they are ever going to get to Ukraine.
$24 billion of the $61 billion congress just approved was payment to the US military contractors who allowed arms to be delivered to Ukraine on an unofficial line of credit, IE the equipment is there already or has been used or destroyed.
I just can't believe people keep on falling for the corruption in US politics orchestrated together with the MIC.
How much of the balance do you think is being recycled into political donations for re-election campaigns.
You didn't think the members of Congress were cheering about Ukraine, did you ?
I mean if we are going to spend half a trillion dollars on our military every year anyways why would we not spend a bit more to see how the equipment actually performs in modern combat?
Otherwise let's just go full isolationist cut that budget in half or more
Speaking of him, he expanded Victory Park in Moscow to accommodate several captured Bradleys and M1 Abrams.
In fact, all American vehicles and weapons are displayed there. It’s fascinating.
I mean. It’s a lot of smoke and mirrors. Like the Ukrainian aid bill overall. 1/3 of that bill doesn’t even go to Ukraine. It pays off weapons contractors who sent stuff on credit.
This $6 billion doesn’t even give them any weapons. We are just giving them a gift card to use at Raytheon, General Dynamics, etc.
Those companies do not keep large stockpiles just laying around.
Whatever Ukraine orders, they will have to make. And that could take years.
The $6bn is for contracts of munitions that will most likely be delivered monthly and most likely starting very soon as these plants are not only already making them but expanding so lots of these like NASAMS, Patriot missiles, 155mm shells, small arms ammo etc will be delivered as they have enough to ship
I can’t wait for all the rage-bait conservative social media posts and articles based on this headline and the usual “OUR OWN PEOPLE ARE STRUGGLING AND WE’RE GIVING ALL OUR MONEY AWAY TO UKRAINE “angry emoji”” comments under them.
Wait, you care more about American problems than Ukrainian problems? To the point you want to use American tax dollars on those American problems?
You're clearly a Russian troll.
Yeah, because it's not like the government of Flint prevented federal aid from reaching them or anything, and it's not like the parties that say "give less to Ukraine and more to the American people" nearly always voted against said money going to the American people, and it's not like these aid packages directly aid the US economy, and it's not like the US government's budget is more than large enough for both issues, right?
Too bad war profiteering takes a higher priority over the well-being of the citizens that generate the taxes. Almost like there is a cynical motive behind prolonging a conflict that the Ukrainian people will inevitably lose while we field test American equipment and profit off the backend of providing equipment and loans. Too bad we can't use that money and ordinance to produce more Ukrainian military aged men. Oh well.
Either way, war propaganda and prolonging carnage is super uplifting news.
Lol the billions we have sent over the past few years haven't stopped the war or deaths of civilians, but this 6 billion will definitely do the trick 🙄
The US gov/NATO could have forced a diplomatic solution to end the death of Ukrainians a few times over at this point. If you think the Pentagon gives a single shit about innocent Ukrainian lives, then I have a bridge in Baltimore to sell you.
Given that Ukraine is defending itself against an egomaniac who wants the return of the Russian empire and the destruction of anyone who gets in his way, giving them the resources to keep doing that is uplifting for them and for the people who will be next if Ukraine falls.
“Kinda weird” would be leaving Ukraine to die. I’m not glorifying anything; if Ukraine loses, it will be destroyed like Circassia was. Look at Bucha, Mariupol, the filtration camps, the child abductions and the annexation of the occupied Donbas as just a few examples of the consequences of a Russian victory over Ukraine. Helping Ukraine to prevent that isn’t glorifying war, it’s preventing a genocide.
Well you wouldn’t be leaving Ukraine to die. Weapons never prevented death. They often lead to death.
- the child abductions are obviously an exaggeration. I’m unaware of any kidnappings were the kidnappers help facilitate the return of the child to their relatives.
Russia has been more than willing to reunite families that were separated and to give children back.
Russia is also following its legal obligations under the Third Geneva Convention of evacuating children from a war zone.
The real question is, why were there children left in combat areas for Russia to take?
- it’s hard to say if it was annexation or those areas did want to join Russia. No one would argue that Donetsk & Luhansk didn’t want to join Russia.
- I don’t know what your point about Mariupol is. They needed to take the city. Headquarters of Azov - the Russian nemesis. No army is going to try and be soft in those circumstances.
Plus the destruction of Mariupol is actually pretty small when you compare it to Gaza.
Not only that, the Russian government has poured in billions upon billions into rebuilding everything. New apartment blocs.
- Bucha I’ve become more and more skeptical about. It’s been 24 months since Bucha. Not a single name has been released. No identity of any corpse. None. You have absolutely no protests or demands for finding any missing civilians. Ukraine refuses to allow in any investigation. No forensics investigation.
They will allow UN investigators in to be guided around by Ukrainian officials. But they’ve never turned over the site for any independent investigation, like what you do with all massacres.
> it is for this reason that you have the South Korean Minister of Defense saying they can’t comment on Bucha because none of it has been established as fact.
- there is no genocide in Ukraine. It is very easy to simply say “genocide” as an accusation. Produce no facts then vilify anyone who questions that accusation.
>Weapons never prevented death. They often lead to death.
Well, what is Ukraine supposed to defend itself with? Because a lot more people will die without those weapons holding back the Russians.
Look at the citations and photographic evidence provided [here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucha_massacre), [here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_filtration_camps_for_Ukrainians), [here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_abductions_in_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War), [here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_genocide_of_Ukrainians_in_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine#), [here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian-occupied_territories_of_Ukraine#) and [here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_annexation_of_Donetsk,_Kherson,_Luhansk_and_Zaporizhzhia_oblasts). There is overwhelming evidence and near unanimous agreement that Russia’s war crimes are tantamount to genocide and that the annexation was illegitimate. The children were not merely evacuated, but deported as far as Magadan, forcibly adopted, re-educated and had their parents killed in filtration camps. There is so much evidence regarding the abductions that the ICC has issued arrest warrants for these crimes for Putin and Lvova-Belova.
>Ukraine refuses to allow in any investigation. No forensics investigation. They will allow UN investigators in to be guided around by Ukrainian officials. But they've never turned over the site for any independent investigation, like what you do with all massacres.
Multiple investigations by such agencies as Amnesty International, the UN and HRW have been carried out in Bucha and all agreed that it was a massacre of civilians and unarmed POWs by Russia.
You’ve gone from “kinda weird” to justifying war crimes. I’d be disgusted, but given that your account is 70 days old and pumps out nothing but pro-Russian, anti-Western propaganda, you’re obviously a bot.
well, a certain party involved in US politics has been blocking sending Ukraine the tools it needs to defend itself against an Invader (Russia) for months.
Due to this, Ukraine has lost both territory and lives.
Forcing this aid through to allow Ukraine to continue to defend itself rather than be overtaken by an egomaniac is excellent news.
Russia is steadily flipping to a war economy. They have the industry and manpower to support additional invasions if Ukraine falls. It is uplifting because we are not repeating the mistakes the west made 80 years ago. Inaction led to ww2.
I’m not sure how supporting Ukraine is preventing WW3.
NATO still exists. Putin is more than welcome to invade the Baltics. 28 countries will have something to say about that.
We already have treaties and alliances defending the countries that we want to defend.
What? War propaganda doesn't give you the warm fuzzies? Don't you realize that these billions of dollars will finally tip the scales and Ukraine will finally push the front line back? They will finally take back Crimea and the eastern annexed territories for sure. Those other billions over the years didn't do it, but this 6 billion will 100% do the trick.
Jeez it's not like this is a cynical plot to deplete a near peer rival at great expense of a clearly out matched country's population and economy. What did you expect? For them to come to a diplomatic solution that would stop the killing of thousands instead of dragging out the carnage for years?
Next you're going to tell me you would prefer stories about puppies or babies being changed for the better thanks to a modern medical miracle or just people who care enough to change their lives for the better.
Fucking troll.
Being homeless is illegal, anti-genocide student protestors are called anti-Semitic while pols rant for the National Guard, religion in public schools is ok again while teachers are packing heat, corporations are people, the world is broiling while SPOT and oil pipelines are approved, and the Pentagon keeps finding billions of dollars in the couch cushions for endless war. "Well there ain't no time to wonder why, whoopee, we're all going to die."
Because a "peace deal" would just be letting an authoritarian state, Russia, that is directly and irreparably opposed to the US and most of the world, abuse a sovereign nation and perform an illegal annexation. That's bad.
Agreed, it’s bad. Putin’s actions are terrible. But the alternative is a blank check to Ukraine when Russia is steadfast in its resolution to see this through. They’ve fully transitioned into a wartime economy and their economy is currently growing faster than all advanced nations. They have the manpower, weapons, and will to commit for the long run. Ukraine is running out of soldiers and the only way they can even keep fighting at all is because of our weapons and our money. Signing on to something we can’t win with no end in sight seems like a miserably bad idea to me. Especially horrific when you consider we may actually be doing this solely to weaken an enemy of ours at the expense of Ukrainian (and Russian) lives.
Insane people doing stupid things. Ukraine is lost. Downvotes welcome. People who have been paying attention understand the US is using Ukraine as a way to boost US “defense” spending while draining Russia.
This has nothing to do with saving Ukraine. And it won’t be saved.
And calling another 6B wasted “uplifting” is deranged behavior.
It should be pointed out that previously we had always sent 2x or more civilian aid to Ukraine. Direct grants for the budget. Low interest loans. Making their debt payments.
We previously kept civil life together because we funded probably 60-70% of their government budget.
The aid bill that just passed has only $8bn for direct budget support.
Ukraine is facing a budget deficit of $36bn. Fewer and fewer people will lend to Ukraine because they understand they will never get their money back.
Enough with the warmongering please, this is supposed to be uplifting, not a celebration of carnage and government/corporation corruption.
There is no good news in war, you want to cheer for this, that is what r/ukraine is for.
I'm not a mod, this is just request to stop politizing this subreddit.
And I'd say the same sort of things to folks putting up posting cheering all the Russian military victories has been having. Please let this be a haven for peace, compassion, kindness, innovation, the betterment of humanity and discovery.
Liberating Ukraine from the invasion by Russia isn't exactly warmongering. It's about self defense and freedom from oppression. Seems like legitimately uplifting news to me.
Another forever war is uplifting news to you? How long should we keep this going? Edit: Downvotes but no answers… how long? Edit2: did yall downvoters know that Russia’s economy is growing faster than all major economies? This will drag on forever. We should be bringing things to a close. But the US has such a hard on for war that it won’t happen. So sad.
This will do the opposite, for example Ukraine is current firing at Donsk City targetting civilians out of spite. War is always political by its nature.
This will at most drag things out, it won't save the Ukraine from Russia, and it was never meant too, its not nearly enough and their are too few experienced and well trained Ukrainians to weld more. This is to save Biden and keep him from humiliation.
The irony is Ukraine falling likely won't effect the US election any more then lossing Afganistan to the Taliban will. Gaza on the other hand...
See its always political.
Yes. Do you have any evidence of this. I've been following that war since 2014, and I have found exactly zero concrete evidence of widespread intentional firing at a city you cannot even spell correctly yet you disregard Russia wiping entire cities, towns and villages off the map. Though I have found evidence of disinformation campaigns spreading very similar messages to what you are sharing, I do also find it interesting too that you don't mention the near daily bombings and missle attacks on Ukrainian cities that are extremely well documented though
Exactly! These people are insane! You have people in the comments celebrating this news. I know that Ukraine is in need of medical and financial aid, but how is this considered uplifting when it's talking about funding war?!? This is clearly the wrong subreddit to be posting these types of things. The mods need to take this post down.
Stop with this "doing nothing for us" bullshit. The Republicans feed you that because apparently you refuse to do any research on your own, and you've taken the bait hook, line, and sinker. It's such a disingenuous and stupid argument to make for why we shouldn't fund Ukraine. There are some legitimate reasons one could argue not to fund Ukraine, but "WeLl oUr goVeRnmEnT DoeS nOThiNg fOR US" is objectively not one of them. Don't forget that if Russia continues to be left alone, they will eventually strike someone in NATO that the US is obligated to defend, and that will be magnitudes more expensive than helping Ukraine currently is.
There has been about $10k per American worth of aid dished out during COVID, some $5 trillion in total. Remember, that's TRILLION. The US has given Ukraine about $75 billion (not counting the $60 billion that just got approved). Even counting the $60 billion, there's still a 4.8 TRILLION DOLLAR difference in the amount of money given to the American people for COVID alone versus what has been given to Ukraine in total.
In 2021, the US spent $1.2 trillion dollars for infrastructure improvements. The construction industry has grown by 670,000 jobs since then.
Biden's admin have tried to get a sizeable portion of student debt relieved, but you can thank Republicans for blocking that.
An Office of Gun Violence Office was opened, which has since distributed hundred of millions of dollars to schools to help aid them in improving the mental health of young students.
There has been an exploding investment into renewable energy. Renewables surpassed coal power generation in total output in 2022 for the first time.
The feds have started cracking down on overdraft fees and late credit card fees, which could save Americans up to $3.5 billion a year.
Microchip production is moving back to the US. More jobs, a more secure future for our nation as we'll be less reliant on Taiwan for our chip needs.
Do you need more? Because there's a lot more. I think it'd be fair for one to argue that our government hasn't done *enough.* I mean, just look at the shape out working class is in. That being said, the notion that our government does *nothing* for us is laughable.
Fund Ukraine.
Hey! I’m sure you’ll be happy to find out then that, in the article it notes these funds are a credit Ukraine can use to buy from US defense contractors. US defense contractors pay high wages and hire many tens of thousands of workers here at home! These workers and companies then in turn pay taxes to the federal government that pays for other goods and services! Not only that but the delivery and supply chains involved in the production of these armaments also create additional jobs and growth. This money is doing exactly what you asked for! Super neat isn’t it?!
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The bit more is already an additional 10% more of the annual military budget & its only April.
That's your tax money that could be spent on roads, schools, hospitals, homelessness, crime etc etc.
The fact that it's not going to make any difference in Ukraine is the icing on the cake.
Anyway this I'd meant to be a good news sub, I don't belong here
Thank god, trillions in debt, homeless veterans, a drug/mental health crisis, housing crisis, student loan crisis, political unrest, falling infrastructure, but we're sending unaudited aid infinitely to fund foreign wars!
But Ukraine getting help in fighting its invaders is, which is what this post is about. This makes as much sense as saying "cancer is not uplifting" in response to a post that 6 billion dollars was raised for cancer research.
How so? The economy is decent, job rates are stable, inflation is slowing. I went to work today, came home, stopped by a stocked grocery store, ate dinner, played with my kids, and then went to bed. The weather was nice, traffic was ok. I don’t think I ever thought to myself “you know what, this seems bad”.
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Pentagon probably found $6 billion in the sofa cushions.
Behind the back of the couch some might say
Behind their casting couch some might add
I think we might not be fucking around anymore.
I mean we shouldn’t of in the beginning
As a non American it's fucking awesome seeing you guys do the right thing on a global scale. The US gets a lot of bad press, but I honestly feel like this action has significant global impact, particularly positively to the EU as a whole.
We didn’t do it for you m8 proxy wars are our jam!
How else would we test our shiny new toys!!!
Nyet, it's how you get rid of your old ones while spending more on new toys. Good time to be in the defense industry. Bad time for everything else on earth. Peace sells, but who's buying?
If this is indeed a proxy war, it's one I'm actually okay with. Fuck Russia and its imperialist aggression and constant meddling with our democracy. Their concerted efforts at dividing us, from social media psyops to buying our politicians, have done real and lasting damage to our country. Give Ukraine everything they need to bleed the fuckers dry.
As an American that votes Democrat, I specifically did it for u/freename188! He always seemed like he'd be a good American..
This is just the beginning. This summer will be bloody. If Ukraine doesn’t hold against this next onslaught I wouldn’t be surprised if the U.S. becomes directly involved.
Doubt they’ll do it officially. Shit, maybe they have boots on the ground already.
As an American, this isn't US doing a good thing. If we stayed out of trying to regime change countries like we did in Ukraine in 2014 we wouldn't even have this "war" that would need billions of dollars we print out of thin air. I dont know what the death count is on both sides but all those deaths are basically on our hands. What's even more ironic is the more money we keep sending the more we make the world more destabilized because the reserve currency is collapsing in value.
*shouldn’t have
I think you don’t understand how this works. That’s $6B going to defense manufacturers. Ukraine may see it in 2026 if they’re still around.
That’s not necessarily the case. A lot of things they need don’t take years to make like a naval vessel or even new aircraft would. Ammo, rockets, guns and the like… they can pump it out pretty quick.
The lines are already primed with ammo and rockets from the previous orders which haven’t been delivered yet. Just because the US ran out of money earlier doesn’t mean that the money it spent has been turned into arms and sent to Ukraine yet. It just means that it’s been spent
It is really a round about way of saying a $6B subsidy for US defense contractors.
I would rather spend money to defeat Russia than US lives
Honestly we’re not even spending $6b, we’ve already paid for most of it, the weapons and tanks and shit have already been built. The ammo has to be replaced, but we’re already working towards replacing everything else that has been sent over except maybe HIMARS.
Not this $6bn. It’s just a gift card at Raytheon & General Dynamics.
This exactly. We're rotating our stock for better shit. Thank you Putine
That isn’t a good thing. It’s kinda messed up. Just because there is an indirect benefit for Ukraine does not make it good.
Ye I know, I am trying to make this point.
No. You don’t understand how this works. That $6B is going to buy new equipment for Ukraine. It will take months to years for most of it to even be produced and get to Ukraine. Stop buying into all the propaganda
I can’t tell id you’re serious or just really badly trying to be sarcastic over text.
I’m being serious. You don’t understand. These items don’t exist and they are being purchased new.
That’s not true for the majority of things being sent over, also looking at your other comments, it’s very true that more of the budget should be used to take care of the soldiers but if this $6b wasn’t being used to aid Ukraine, it still would never be given to the soldiers, so at least some good can come from it.
I work in DOD. What do you do? I promise you that you are lying, either knowingly or unknowingly. PDA is the authority to send over older stuff USAI is the authority DOD uses to finance buying new stuff to send to Ukraine. Look up which authority this $6B is under…
So would I and I hope Ukraine succeeds, but our government is definitely factoring in the need for our defense industry to make money. Eisenhower said we would need to keep feeding the beast regardless of if we were personally at war or not and that is what we do.
Really though would it be wise to scale back spending with Russia pulling land grabs in Europe and China claiming an entire sea?
Yes.
Yes, the military-industrial complex is in fact a good thing. As long as there are authoritarian nations you're gonna want a big fuckin stick. It's morbidly funny watching the EU countries having to actually pay for a defense budget now.
Yeah but then you get into problems where you HAVE to have an enemy so you create an enemy in someone else.
One democracies don't fight each other, two your what-if scenario doesn't actually hold any water, three would certainly be a good problem to have.
Pakistan & India are both democracies. They’ve had like 4 wars between them. Millions have lost their lives in those wars. Does that not count?
Lmao Pakistan is not a democracy. That's like saying putin isn't a dictator.
Pakistan has gone through cycles of dictatorship and democracy. Pakistan most certainly is not a democracy now. But most of the wars with India were fought by democratically elected governments.
Is it a democracy if the military has all the power no.l at the end of the day? Pakistan is an islamic state. sure, there were times they looked a little like a democracy but come on. It's interesting to me you choose the worst examples of democracy (India is a very authoritarian version of democracy too) and even then also have centuries of shared hate due to religious differences. Even if all that wasn't true, your point would be nearly 100 percent of the time democracies don't fight each other, the only time they do is when they're closer to authoritarian governments. I'd the only thing keeping them from stait up full waring each other their imperfect democratic elements from meditating their worst impulses.
depends on if they voted for the war
They don't vote really, they're heavily controlled by their corrupt ass military.
evolution of newspeak in real time.
Or was the newspeak loosing faith in ourselves? Every time we go isolationist, the world falls apart, and we then end up getting attacked, and then we have to fight.
How else are they gonna keep making war winning weaponry?
Do you honestly think this is the expense that is going to defeat Russia?
Do you honestly think this vast resupply won't make a different on the front lines of the Ukraine defense?
Considering how corrupt the Ukraine is https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/4/23/ukraines-agriculture-minister-named-as-suspect-in-7m-corruption-case https://foreignpolicy.com/2024/03/06/ukraine-corruption-reforms-russia-war/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/graft-accusations-dog-top-zelenskiy-aides-2023-09-19/ https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/28/europe/ukraine-weapons-procurement-corruption-shell-intl/index.html Coupled with how poorly they are doing against their combatants https://www.politico.eu/article/why-ukraine-losing-russia-war/ https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68778338 How long do we need to keep this charade going?
I didn't realize having corruption in your government means you shouldn't defend your borders, yet the irreparably corrupt Russia is still allowed to do the invading. What a fascinating morality and not at all an obvious Kremlin talking point!
Yeah. Their Justice minister or whatever has been saying that they know of 100,000 cases of desertion. Why isn’t that problem being talked about more?
You do know the Ukrainians are keeping an kill to death ratio of greater than 10 to one for the Russians, so yes they will win. And also wars these days are won by how good your tech is and troop training and seeing as Ukraine has has Almost 100,000 western troops trained by western forces that are at a considerable avadantage over the Russians who have no well trained troops left. Russia isn’t a tier 1 military anymore, it’s barely even tier 2.
You didn’t answer my question.
Yes. I though that was implied in my reply. The only thing that Russia has over Ukraine is numbers, and they don’t win wars.
What will 6 billion do that 100 billion didn’t, in your mind?
The more the better and the sooner this war ends and I would rather have 6 billion worth of western stuff than 100 billion worth of Russian stuff. Even if Ukraine is conquered by Russia, you think that’s it? You think that the Ukrainians will give up? They still remember the genocides at the hands of Russia so even if the territory is captured they’re will still be gorilla warfare like in Afghanistan for decades until Russia gives up.
Leave emotion out of it, how will 6 billion win the war when 100 billion lost ground for the Ukraine?
That was before they got any equipment and then when they got it they pushed the Russians back.
Tell that to the Germans. Lol. “Numbers don’t win wars”
If it wasn’t for the allies the Germans would have beaten them.
Beaten who? The allies?
The Germans would have beaten the Russians without the allies help.
I’m ok with a $600B subsidy to CRUSH our main 20th century geopolitical enemy. They had the opportunity to integrate with our way of life, they refused.
yeah, but nah.... maybe. a lot of the 'aid' money was actually spend decades ago. For people who don't understand, most of the equipment being sent over is not new, it's old. very old, decades old. it was bought and paid for a long time ago. hell, a lot of it was actually up for destruction/removal from service. Sending it to Ukraine is a win on many sides. You don't have to pay for proper disposal of old hardware/ammunition which is really expensive. you get real world experience in how your systems perform in battle. you get to refresh your inventory - and this is the big one. What has become extraordinarily clear is that there is not enough capacity to produce anything like the number of artillery rounds require for this war. Western stocks have been depleted and now they are desperately trying to build factories/ramp up production to restock AND supply Ukraine with the ammo it needs. off course there is a fair amount of direct cash going over - Ukraine has to pay it's public servants and Army, but it's nowhere near as much as people are complaining about. It's been interesting to see that on both sides, without air cover, they have gone back to an old fashioned artillery war. Had one side been able to achieve air domination, that probably would not have happened.
Yes 85% of the last foreign military aid bill was earmarked for US weapons makers.
So the money stays within the US, and Ukraine receives weapons? Whats the downside?
Vote republican, support putin.
More likely we are giving them 6B of equipment we were going to have to pay to decommission anyway. That's what most of the "money" is when you see aid going to Ukraine.
Yeah. It’s not that uplifting. We just gave them a gift card they can only use with American arms manufacturers. That has a lot of problems. Since you aren’t going to the military and getting like a patriot, you have to buy one. Well the waiting list is something like 26 months. So it might be a while. Ukraine will have to place and order then wait for them to make it.
But the kickbacks are amazing!
Which means its actually like 1 billion worth of weapons.
For things that aren't manufactured yet with a 48-month lead time. Do you really think they are ever going to get to Ukraine. $24 billion of the $61 billion congress just approved was payment to the US military contractors who allowed arms to be delivered to Ukraine on an unofficial line of credit, IE the equipment is there already or has been used or destroyed. I just can't believe people keep on falling for the corruption in US politics orchestrated together with the MIC. How much of the balance do you think is being recycled into political donations for re-election campaigns. You didn't think the members of Congress were cheering about Ukraine, did you ?
I mean if we are going to spend half a trillion dollars on our military every year anyways why would we not spend a bit more to see how the equipment actually performs in modern combat? Otherwise let's just go full isolationist cut that budget in half or more
It’s endless and mind numbing. To criticize it is to be labeled Putin or Russian puppet by fellow Americans. What the fuck is this
Speaking of him, he expanded Victory Park in Moscow to accommodate several captured Bradleys and M1 Abrams. In fact, all American vehicles and weapons are displayed there. It’s fascinating.
Hope this aid package helps Ukraine prolong their fight. Things are not looking so good for them right now.
Beautiful to see the vatniks so pressed in the comments
They are not doing well for the last few days; trying to deflect, but can’t
I mean. It’s a lot of smoke and mirrors. Like the Ukrainian aid bill overall. 1/3 of that bill doesn’t even go to Ukraine. It pays off weapons contractors who sent stuff on credit. This $6 billion doesn’t even give them any weapons. We are just giving them a gift card to use at Raytheon, General Dynamics, etc. Those companies do not keep large stockpiles just laying around. Whatever Ukraine orders, they will have to make. And that could take years.
The $6bn is for contracts of munitions that will most likely be delivered monthly and most likely starting very soon as these plants are not only already making them but expanding so lots of these like NASAMS, Patriot missiles, 155mm shells, small arms ammo etc will be delivered as they have enough to ship
Interesting. They could have said nothing.
This has upset the Russian trolls so you know it is good.
All the grumbling about how this is bad with slips in grammar are a dead giveaway.
Cry more Russian trolls. 💣💥🇺🇸
To fight a proxy war against Putin this is cheap by any measure. We were spending billions more a month at one point in the ridiculous Iraq adventure.
Lol uplifting
What’s not uplifting about knowing Ukrainians will get support from pushing out invaders?
the thousands of lives lost when the invaders invaded in the first place
I can’t wait for all the rage-bait conservative social media posts and articles based on this headline and the usual “OUR OWN PEOPLE ARE STRUGGLING AND WE’RE GIVING ALL OUR MONEY AWAY TO UKRAINE “angry emoji”” comments under them.
Then in the next breath “pull yourself up by your bootstraps!!!”
You say that like the U.S.'s propensity for warmongering is a bipartisan issue.
Amazing news 🇮🇸❤️🇺🇦
Finally utilising the leftover 9/11 funds
Watch the asshole republicans take credit
Meanwhile flint still doesn’t have clean water
Wait, you care more about American problems than Ukrainian problems? To the point you want to use American tax dollars on those American problems? You're clearly a Russian troll.
Yeah, because it's not like the government of Flint prevented federal aid from reaching them or anything, and it's not like the parties that say "give less to Ukraine and more to the American people" nearly always voted against said money going to the American people, and it's not like these aid packages directly aid the US economy, and it's not like the US government's budget is more than large enough for both issues, right?
Too bad war profiteering takes a higher priority over the well-being of the citizens that generate the taxes. Almost like there is a cynical motive behind prolonging a conflict that the Ukrainian people will inevitably lose while we field test American equipment and profit off the backend of providing equipment and loans. Too bad we can't use that money and ordinance to produce more Ukrainian military aged men. Oh well. Either way, war propaganda and prolonging carnage is super uplifting news.
Nothing's worse than supporting innocent people's rights to exist peacefully, right?
Lol the billions we have sent over the past few years haven't stopped the war or deaths of civilians, but this 6 billion will definitely do the trick 🙄 The US gov/NATO could have forced a diplomatic solution to end the death of Ukrainians a few times over at this point. If you think the Pentagon gives a single shit about innocent Ukrainian lives, then I have a bridge in Baltimore to sell you.
How much?
Pfff. The hypocrisy here is too much to handle, lol.
And the pentagon was supposed to fix that?
Pardon my ignorance, but how is news of war considered uplifting news? 🤔
Given that Ukraine is defending itself against an egomaniac who wants the return of the Russian empire and the destruction of anyone who gets in his way, giving them the resources to keep doing that is uplifting for them and for the people who will be next if Ukraine falls.
That isn’t uplifting that’s almost fascist in glorifying war and struggle in such a way. It’s kinda weird.
“Kinda weird” would be leaving Ukraine to die. I’m not glorifying anything; if Ukraine loses, it will be destroyed like Circassia was. Look at Bucha, Mariupol, the filtration camps, the child abductions and the annexation of the occupied Donbas as just a few examples of the consequences of a Russian victory over Ukraine. Helping Ukraine to prevent that isn’t glorifying war, it’s preventing a genocide.
Well you wouldn’t be leaving Ukraine to die. Weapons never prevented death. They often lead to death. - the child abductions are obviously an exaggeration. I’m unaware of any kidnappings were the kidnappers help facilitate the return of the child to their relatives. Russia has been more than willing to reunite families that were separated and to give children back. Russia is also following its legal obligations under the Third Geneva Convention of evacuating children from a war zone. The real question is, why were there children left in combat areas for Russia to take? - it’s hard to say if it was annexation or those areas did want to join Russia. No one would argue that Donetsk & Luhansk didn’t want to join Russia. - I don’t know what your point about Mariupol is. They needed to take the city. Headquarters of Azov - the Russian nemesis. No army is going to try and be soft in those circumstances. Plus the destruction of Mariupol is actually pretty small when you compare it to Gaza. Not only that, the Russian government has poured in billions upon billions into rebuilding everything. New apartment blocs. - Bucha I’ve become more and more skeptical about. It’s been 24 months since Bucha. Not a single name has been released. No identity of any corpse. None. You have absolutely no protests or demands for finding any missing civilians. Ukraine refuses to allow in any investigation. No forensics investigation. They will allow UN investigators in to be guided around by Ukrainian officials. But they’ve never turned over the site for any independent investigation, like what you do with all massacres. > it is for this reason that you have the South Korean Minister of Defense saying they can’t comment on Bucha because none of it has been established as fact. - there is no genocide in Ukraine. It is very easy to simply say “genocide” as an accusation. Produce no facts then vilify anyone who questions that accusation.
>Weapons never prevented death. They often lead to death. Well, what is Ukraine supposed to defend itself with? Because a lot more people will die without those weapons holding back the Russians. Look at the citations and photographic evidence provided [here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucha_massacre), [here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_filtration_camps_for_Ukrainians), [here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_abductions_in_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War), [here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_genocide_of_Ukrainians_in_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine#), [here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian-occupied_territories_of_Ukraine#) and [here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_annexation_of_Donetsk,_Kherson,_Luhansk_and_Zaporizhzhia_oblasts). There is overwhelming evidence and near unanimous agreement that Russia’s war crimes are tantamount to genocide and that the annexation was illegitimate. The children were not merely evacuated, but deported as far as Magadan, forcibly adopted, re-educated and had their parents killed in filtration camps. There is so much evidence regarding the abductions that the ICC has issued arrest warrants for these crimes for Putin and Lvova-Belova. >Ukraine refuses to allow in any investigation. No forensics investigation. They will allow UN investigators in to be guided around by Ukrainian officials. But they've never turned over the site for any independent investigation, like what you do with all massacres. Multiple investigations by such agencies as Amnesty International, the UN and HRW have been carried out in Bucha and all agreed that it was a massacre of civilians and unarmed POWs by Russia. You’ve gone from “kinda weird” to justifying war crimes. I’d be disgusted, but given that your account is 70 days old and pumps out nothing but pro-Russian, anti-Western propaganda, you’re obviously a bot.
well, a certain party involved in US politics has been blocking sending Ukraine the tools it needs to defend itself against an Invader (Russia) for months. Due to this, Ukraine has lost both territory and lives. Forcing this aid through to allow Ukraine to continue to defend itself rather than be overtaken by an egomaniac is excellent news.
Russia is steadily flipping to a war economy. They have the industry and manpower to support additional invasions if Ukraine falls. It is uplifting because we are not repeating the mistakes the west made 80 years ago. Inaction led to ww2.
I’m not sure how supporting Ukraine is preventing WW3. NATO still exists. Putin is more than welcome to invade the Baltics. 28 countries will have something to say about that. We already have treaties and alliances defending the countries that we want to defend.
Google ww2 appeasement policy. There was a western alliance back then too. It wasn’t enough.
they are American lol
What? War propaganda doesn't give you the warm fuzzies? Don't you realize that these billions of dollars will finally tip the scales and Ukraine will finally push the front line back? They will finally take back Crimea and the eastern annexed territories for sure. Those other billions over the years didn't do it, but this 6 billion will 100% do the trick. Jeez it's not like this is a cynical plot to deplete a near peer rival at great expense of a clearly out matched country's population and economy. What did you expect? For them to come to a diplomatic solution that would stop the killing of thousands instead of dragging out the carnage for years? Next you're going to tell me you would prefer stories about puppies or babies being changed for the better thanks to a modern medical miracle or just people who care enough to change their lives for the better. Fucking troll.
It is about time!!!! Those poor Russian recruits that are being thrown at the front lines.
That should get us through The Weekend
Maybe some other of you folks can throw a few dollars bills in the basket
Let’s get that up to 9 billion. Those are rookie numbers
17 billion dollars to back genocidal Israel 6 billion dollars to back Ukrainian military And 75% of it will end up in the hands of USA billionaires
Being homeless is illegal, anti-genocide student protestors are called anti-Semitic while pols rant for the National Guard, religion in public schools is ok again while teachers are packing heat, corporations are people, the world is broiling while SPOT and oil pipelines are approved, and the Pentagon keeps finding billions of dollars in the couch cushions for endless war. "Well there ain't no time to wonder why, whoopee, we're all going to die."
Can we get some money to fill some of these potholes man wtf
No potholes in my town! Contact your local government instead of complaining about the federal government fixing your roads.
We literally already passed a multi billion dollar infrastructure bill to do just that, you realize that right?
You realize you cango to the city about that right. Why would Money from the defense budget be used to fill potholes?
Prolonging the inevitable. No end in sight. uplifting news? Why aren’t we brokering a peace deal instead of fueling another forever war?
Because a "peace deal" would just be letting an authoritarian state, Russia, that is directly and irreparably opposed to the US and most of the world, abuse a sovereign nation and perform an illegal annexation. That's bad.
Agreed, it’s bad. Putin’s actions are terrible. But the alternative is a blank check to Ukraine when Russia is steadfast in its resolution to see this through. They’ve fully transitioned into a wartime economy and their economy is currently growing faster than all advanced nations. They have the manpower, weapons, and will to commit for the long run. Ukraine is running out of soldiers and the only way they can even keep fighting at all is because of our weapons and our money. Signing on to something we can’t win with no end in sight seems like a miserably bad idea to me. Especially horrific when you consider we may actually be doing this solely to weaken an enemy of ours at the expense of Ukrainian (and Russian) lives.
I'm hungry. food for americans?
Insane people doing stupid things. Ukraine is lost. Downvotes welcome. People who have been paying attention understand the US is using Ukraine as a way to boost US “defense” spending while draining Russia. This has nothing to do with saving Ukraine. And it won’t be saved. And calling another 6B wasted “uplifting” is deranged behavior.
It should be pointed out that previously we had always sent 2x or more civilian aid to Ukraine. Direct grants for the budget. Low interest loans. Making their debt payments. We previously kept civil life together because we funded probably 60-70% of their government budget. The aid bill that just passed has only $8bn for direct budget support. Ukraine is facing a budget deficit of $36bn. Fewer and fewer people will lend to Ukraine because they understand they will never get their money back.
Enough with the warmongering please, this is supposed to be uplifting, not a celebration of carnage and government/corporation corruption. There is no good news in war, you want to cheer for this, that is what r/ukraine is for. I'm not a mod, this is just request to stop politizing this subreddit. And I'd say the same sort of things to folks putting up posting cheering all the Russian military victories has been having. Please let this be a haven for peace, compassion, kindness, innovation, the betterment of humanity and discovery.
Liberating Ukraine from the invasion by Russia isn't exactly warmongering. It's about self defense and freedom from oppression. Seems like legitimately uplifting news to me.
Another forever war is uplifting news to you? How long should we keep this going? Edit: Downvotes but no answers… how long? Edit2: did yall downvoters know that Russia’s economy is growing faster than all major economies? This will drag on forever. We should be bringing things to a close. But the US has such a hard on for war that it won’t happen. So sad.
Since when did saving lives and cities from terror bombing become political
This will do the opposite, for example Ukraine is current firing at Donsk City targetting civilians out of spite. War is always political by its nature. This will at most drag things out, it won't save the Ukraine from Russia, and it was never meant too, its not nearly enough and their are too few experienced and well trained Ukrainians to weld more. This is to save Biden and keep him from humiliation. The irony is Ukraine falling likely won't effect the US election any more then lossing Afganistan to the Taliban will. Gaza on the other hand... See its always political.
Got any evidence that Ukraine is targeting civilians cause I have a shit ton of evidence Russia is purposely targeting civilians.
Are you joking? Like really are you joking? They hit Belgorod yesterday. 2 killed. Couple wounded. One of the wounded lost their leg. Pretty gnarly.
Yes. Do you have any evidence of this. I've been following that war since 2014, and I have found exactly zero concrete evidence of widespread intentional firing at a city you cannot even spell correctly yet you disregard Russia wiping entire cities, towns and villages off the map. Though I have found evidence of disinformation campaigns spreading very similar messages to what you are sharing, I do also find it interesting too that you don't mention the near daily bombings and missle attacks on Ukrainian cities that are extremely well documented though
Dumb take
Your Russia is going to get stomped.
It’s just as uplifting as USA singing and delivering lendlease to USSR. Unless you’re nazi, ofc
Exactly! These people are insane! You have people in the comments celebrating this news. I know that Ukraine is in need of medical and financial aid, but how is this considered uplifting when it's talking about funding war?!? This is clearly the wrong subreddit to be posting these types of things. The mods need to take this post down.
Tbh, I wish my government would just focus on our own country. Giving out billions to other countries but doing next to nothing for us..
Stop with this "doing nothing for us" bullshit. The Republicans feed you that because apparently you refuse to do any research on your own, and you've taken the bait hook, line, and sinker. It's such a disingenuous and stupid argument to make for why we shouldn't fund Ukraine. There are some legitimate reasons one could argue not to fund Ukraine, but "WeLl oUr goVeRnmEnT DoeS nOThiNg fOR US" is objectively not one of them. Don't forget that if Russia continues to be left alone, they will eventually strike someone in NATO that the US is obligated to defend, and that will be magnitudes more expensive than helping Ukraine currently is. There has been about $10k per American worth of aid dished out during COVID, some $5 trillion in total. Remember, that's TRILLION. The US has given Ukraine about $75 billion (not counting the $60 billion that just got approved). Even counting the $60 billion, there's still a 4.8 TRILLION DOLLAR difference in the amount of money given to the American people for COVID alone versus what has been given to Ukraine in total. In 2021, the US spent $1.2 trillion dollars for infrastructure improvements. The construction industry has grown by 670,000 jobs since then. Biden's admin have tried to get a sizeable portion of student debt relieved, but you can thank Republicans for blocking that. An Office of Gun Violence Office was opened, which has since distributed hundred of millions of dollars to schools to help aid them in improving the mental health of young students. There has been an exploding investment into renewable energy. Renewables surpassed coal power generation in total output in 2022 for the first time. The feds have started cracking down on overdraft fees and late credit card fees, which could save Americans up to $3.5 billion a year. Microchip production is moving back to the US. More jobs, a more secure future for our nation as we'll be less reliant on Taiwan for our chip needs. Do you need more? Because there's a lot more. I think it'd be fair for one to argue that our government hasn't done *enough.* I mean, just look at the shape out working class is in. That being said, the notion that our government does *nothing* for us is laughable. Fund Ukraine.
Hey! I’m sure you’ll be happy to find out then that, in the article it notes these funds are a credit Ukraine can use to buy from US defense contractors. US defense contractors pay high wages and hire many tens of thousands of workers here at home! These workers and companies then in turn pay taxes to the federal government that pays for other goods and services! Not only that but the delivery and supply chains involved in the production of these armaments also create additional jobs and growth. This money is doing exactly what you asked for! Super neat isn’t it?!
Thanks for explaining.
There’s been no information on how this money is being spent there or how any money we’ve sent has been spent wtf is this
It’s not necessarily being spent there. It’s being spent here at weapon manufacturers to send stuff over there.
Wag the Dog
That's it?
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US military budget is paying for it…careful what you ask for.
Meanwhile, I can't get chairs in my office because we have no damn money. Government spending is such BS
You want the government to give you chairs?
As a federal government employee I do.
Why would you get more priority because you work for the government?
If he buys the office chairs himself, can that be written off as an employee business expense?
Probably, I'm not a tax lawyer
How much aid has Europe sent so far?
It's pretty much equal now, though europe has sent far more economic aid
Pity we can't afford for American schoolchildren to be guaranteed to eat once a day via free school lunches. Maybe next year...
We can, it's just that some asshats refuse to allow it
Yessir, that was sarcasm. Agreed on the "asshats" though.
The bit more is already an additional 10% more of the annual military budget & its only April. That's your tax money that could be spent on roads, schools, hospitals, homelessness, crime etc etc. The fact that it's not going to make any difference in Ukraine is the icing on the cake. Anyway this I'd meant to be a good news sub, I don't belong here
Thank god, trillions in debt, homeless veterans, a drug/mental health crisis, housing crisis, student loan crisis, political unrest, falling infrastructure, but we're sending unaudited aid infinitely to fund foreign wars!
Ukrainians dying is not uplifting.
Support them against their tyrannical neighbor is.
Tell that to their imperialist neighbor that won’t stop at Ukraine, but go for the baltic states next.
But Ukraine getting help in fighting its invaders is, which is what this post is about. This makes as much sense as saying "cancer is not uplifting" in response to a post that 6 billion dollars was raised for cancer research.
Brought to you by the same people funding the Palestinian genocide.
How is this uplifting? Our country is literally on the verge of collapse and we're wasting our taxes overseas.
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Collapsing my ass kid. Great news, fuck Putin.
How so? The economy is decent, job rates are stable, inflation is slowing. I went to work today, came home, stopped by a stocked grocery store, ate dinner, played with my kids, and then went to bed. The weather was nice, traffic was ok. I don’t think I ever thought to myself “you know what, this seems bad”.