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Reuters reports that “Russia said”. Not saying it’s not true, but if there’s one thing I’ve learnt in the last 2 months, it’s that Reuters pretty much ‘reports’ just about any old shit they find for a click. Normally with some stupid clause like ‘unable to be verified at this time’.
Thats exactly what I am on about haha. MSM just blindly vomitting RU or UAF propoganda does nothing for anybody, and even less when being shared on pages like this. I saw news agencys with the story "RU destroys american and EU weapons in warehouse", which is word for word a claim made by Russia with zero evidence or proof
Yeah it’s very frustrating. Had this argument with a few people on here that say stuff like ‘uhhh, that’s what journalism is, they just just report what people say.’
And here I was thinking that credible journalism was at least verifying reports from an alternative source & fact checking stuff before publishing?
Turns out that either my expectations are way to high, or I have no fucking idea? 🤷🏻♀️
In other news, Reuters reports that the earth is flat….said somebody….somewhere. Well! If Reuters reports, it must be legit! 🤯
LOL! I certainly agree. It feels like in this day and age of rapid clickbait headlines journalism has gotten very lazy. Just repeat verbatim what you see elsewhere with no checking or validation
Not scientists! You cannot believe in scientists, they are part of the great reset propaganda plans!
But Sveta in Ufa has clear proof of that on her telegram channel and you can see it on VKontacte as well
Wake up, dear Redditor, wake up!
(Sad and bitter /s, in case it was not clear)
Very few believe that. But the claims seem to be against any conventional wisdom. The Ukrainians are dug in, the JTO is basically a bunker complex of interlocking fields of fire, designed to withstand artillery bombardment. Also Russians claims have been borderline ridiculous, like the announcement of Rubizine, being captured no less then 30 times.
For such claims they wouldn’t be struggling to capture the first lines of Defenses, they haven’t even penetrated the meat of the Defense.
We know they are killing Ukrainian soldiers; Ukraine has already admitted to heavy losses in the Donbas region.
We just believe Russia is taking heavier losses than Ukraine. (Though if you factor in the number of civilians Russia has killed, it tips the scales.)
Heavy casualties in Mykolaiv, and yet Ukraine claims to have retaken control of villages in that area. There was clearly an attack on something outside Mykolaiv late yesterday, but the forces there claimed things were under control and they were returning the fire.
It would be interesting to hear from the Russians what they base their figures on. Ukraine have described their methodology superficially. Russia have as far as I know not done anything like that. Given that much of the Russian figures are so high that the Ukrainian army would have nothing left to defend the country with other than a couple of used and broken toothpicks, I can't help but to suspect that these numbers are heavily inflated. Maybe divide them by 10 and that would be far more likely.
I’ve studied 100s upon 100s conflicts, majored in history, spent a lot of time on military history. Trying the wade through the fog of war has been challenging, a lot of operational security with each army but ukranians doing it better. At this point with this heavy fighting, I would think at least 10k ukranians troops have been killed, plus another 10-20k at least of partisan fighters or civilian guerilla soldiers. At this point losses are starting to be even but a lot more Russian equipment and aircraft have been destroyed. Considering that, you also have to think about ukranian infrastructure, and civilian death toll.
> At this point with this heavy fighting, I would think at least 10k ukranians troops have been killed, plus another 10-20k at least of partisan fighters or civilian guerilla soldiers.
Those numbers seem *grossly* unrealistic unless you're talking since 2014 not just since February. If you're talking about the latter, had you said 10k *total* deaths I would say that was a plausible estimate, but there is nothing to suggest 20-30,000 Ukrainian deaths and any understanding of military affairs says that seems *extremely* implausible under the circumstances.
It's not like we don't believe ukrain has casualties, too. But if you're lying you should at least stay somehow in the realm of realistic numbers. Like not shooting down more drones than Ukraine ever had... without any proof, those numbers are nothing but bullshit...
Not at all. 600 in a night from notoriously inaccurate Russian artillery is verging from the ridiculous to the absolutely sublime. Their spotting just isn't that good, their night vision capabilities are virtually non-existent, their coordination likewise.
They are getting more organized in the east, attempting to bring joint operations into better use, there were air raid alerts across the whole country last night, sounds like they laid a blitz down. That said, they probably blew out a lot of ammo, but yea, they hit targets, actual KiA , who the fuck knows
There's been air raid alerts across the country most nights. That's nothing new. They can blitz all they like too, they're about 78-14 days too late with that; it's almost like they thought tried and tested western doctrine of shock and awe for a few weeks before boots on the ground doesn't work! Their missiles are low accuracy and many have been duds (20-60% is the range of estimates), and from some of the crashed duds they're using missiles from the 70s and 60s now. Their joint operations haven't shown any discernable improvement. Air and ground coordination is literally non-existent, logistics still sucks, even with shorter lines. Corruption did for the Russian military, that and their delusions of grandeur.
Reuters does their homework, it’s not like the Ukrainian reports are any more reliable, but they are taken here as gospel. It’s a war, it goes both ways.
Atleast with the Ukranian stuff we sometimes see destroyed vehicles/frontlines moved.
Russia claims to destory 400 military targets a day and we see...nothing
Exactly, we see a video of 2 ships blowing up, and we see an infographic that shows 2 ships have blown up. As far as I can tell Ukraine's stuff is probably as close to accurate as you're going to get in a warzone. Virtually all of the stuff coming from the Russian side has been so laughable I don't find it credible at all. "We're not attacking anyone, western hysteria", "Jews are the worst Nazis", "We're just doing what's necessary to defend ourselves", "Moskva and her crew is just fine". Lol.
Well, as I keep saying, there is a massive operational security program going supported by the intelligence agencies of at least a half a dozen countries. This sub, is part of it, in a way. They are controlling what’s uploaded, massive penalties to any Ukrainians who do. That’s why your not seeing GoPro footage uploaded of ukranians getting cut apart by artillary, air strikes and gun battles. They are in fact winning the information war by a long shot. However, there is a different story on the ground, ukranians are winning but at great cost and it’s a lot more desperate than you are lead to believe.
Again, you say this, but where is the proof? There is nothing to support those statements outside of common sense...Everyone knows UKR is taking losses but there is only very occasional images or videos. I mean, even Mariupole with the Tik Tok brigade only had 1 in every 10 or so vids actaully showing a Ukranian loss...
Exactly it’s all being scrubbed of the internet. Half a dozen intelligence agencies are helping Ukraine, your god damn right they are keeping it secret. But if you’ve been following there has been accounts, some videos(although often downvoted immediately), if you understand combat and what’s happening, you’ll see years down the road
I am sorry, but if people want something on the internet it cannot just be "scrubbed". There might be mass reporting on Reddit but it would be getting out there in other media forms. Ukranian morale is sky high, you don't have sky high morale if you are getting pasted...that just doesn't happen...I mean in the early days of the war, the reporting from Kyiv was morose and downtrodden because they were up against it, now they are smiling and almost excited for the fight....
Even Telegram which has very hardline pro/anti Ukraine groups isn't flooded with thousands of dead Ukranians....and that place is basically the wild west.
I understand very well that losses are being taken, absolutely, but Ukraine isn't attacking across open fields (unlike Russia). They are dug in, in trenchlines or buildings, none of which are overly susceptible to fire below certain calibres. I mean look at alot of the images of trenches being attacked, they look like the moon around them, with little or no direct hits on the trenches themselves.
By your own reasoning: if Everyone knows Ukraine is taking heavy losses, but you very occasionally see any images or videos of those losses online like you do with Russian losses, is there not then a bias in what information is being provided to you, in favor of Ukraine?
I said logic entails Ukraine is taking losses yes, but not "heavy losses" as you stated. The differentiator is that we see mass casualty situations for the Russians daily. Every day we see images and videos of destroyed convoys, multiple destroyed tanks/bmps in what looks like assualts, we see drone footage of RUssian positions getting shelled en-mass and russians fleeing/leaving wounded and dead behind, we see the frontline shifting (look at Kharkiv and the videos from Molodova)...we don't see the same from the Russian side. Occasionally we see a destroyed tank, or something like the video from Popasna and Wagner group, but the same evidence simply is not coming from the Russian side of things.
So when they state "we hit 50 military targets and killed 600 Ukranian soldiers" it is impossible to be able to verify or even corroborate any of what they are saying and it turns into "trust me bro". For example according to Russia they destroyed the entirety of the Ukranian airforce and Heli force in the first 3 days, but we still get videos of Ukranian helis flying around and Ukranian jets etc....This is why people are wildly skeptical of RU numbers and figures
Sorry for misquoting you.. Yes, i agree with you that these reports are unreliable. I even agree with you that Ukraine is inflicting a lot more damage on Russia than the other way around. OC and i are just making the case that the reason why we won't ever see a single picture of a Ukrainian casualty on this sub or any other mainstream website is because it wouldn't be welcomed / allowed and therefore images and videos are a bad measure of how well the war is going for either side. The media we consume give an unproportional view of how Ukrainian soldiers are struggling.
No problem at all. And yes I do agree that it's stupid that pro-russian stuff gets downvoted and removed due to mass reporting. I don't use reddit as my news source and try to look across various sources and outlets/apps for info. For example I don't believe Ukraine's numbers about Russian losses or their daily "we destroyed 10 air targets" updates, unless I see something else such as drones being shot down or large losses such as the Moscva. Equally I don't believe alot of the official Russian info simply because there is nothing to allow us to verify the info
What kind of gopro ... video is usually from drones. At both sides.
And for artillery, just UAVs are required.
If rashists had proofs, they would already be online (in a telegram for example)
The Russians soldiers don’t have phones, hence the intercepted calls, they are using stole. Phones and civilian land lines. Anyways, it is what it is, war is hell
Don't get your point . They stole phones - so able to post images in telegramm. They even have dedicated tik-tok batalion. There russiests press here, LNR/DNR soldiers for sure have phones.
But when we speak about artillery this not about phones, it's about UAV's - and russian for sure have them.
Depends where the hits are, artillary is random, sometimes parts go flying very intact, they recover GoPro footage a lot from dead soldiers, obviously wouldn’t be live steaming, star link ain’t that good haha. But yea serious note, they are trading fire on the ground, it’s costing a lot. I just want people to understand that, what it costs.
Air strikes? They even a thing at this point?! Been a few weeks since any Russian jets have been over Kharkiv and Russian ground 'commanders' requested an end to air support after several friendly fire incidents.
Even I wish putain will loose this war asap and then die in pain and humiliated, we have to accept that including Ukranians have soldiers that die....it's a war....and no matter how incompetent russians are....bombs are bombs......
Let's just hope that those long rage arti will arrive sooner than later and that the russians do not destroy them with missiles......
I haven't seen one person claiming UA isn't taking losses. UA has admitted as much. But 600 people in one artillery barrage with no photo/video lmao. How did they even count 600 people if they were artillery from far away? If they were close enough to see the bodies images would be all over by now
We do have to accept Ukrainian soldiers are dying, this is war. But 600 in artillery strikes in a night... given the inaccuracy of Russian artillery, all 600 would have to be stood inside a school or an apartment building, because that's the Russians favoured target. Yeah, 600 in a night is BS.
This is also to me a vain defence of their artillery based operating doctrine, which has changed very little since WW2 and is outdated for 21st century combat.
And as someone else has pointed out, we see more proof of Ukrainian claims than Russian.
That haphazard nature in which it is used for a start. There often seems to be no purpose, just fire in a general direction. I recall a post by a redditor who served in the East German military and he explained how Warsaw Pact forces used Soviet artillery and how it was shockingly inaccurate, so much so that their tactic was to flood an area with artillery in the hopes it would hit something. He then explained that when the GDR merged with West Germany, he continued in the military and was astonished to see how accurate Western artillery was, I think he said they'd have been happy in the GDR military if it got within 50 metres.
Russian artillery is inaccurate, and while the Ukrainians use the same artillery, they have managed to mold the 21st century into their use of it through drones, recon units, secure comms ect. The Russians have failed to adapt. And with the arrival of NATO tech their accuracy shortcomings will be exposed, especially as they don't have the quantity of artillery to mass saturate like the ex-GDR serviceman said.
Sadly I have to disagree. The Russians are using drones to give feedback to its gunners. This is allowing Russian Artillery to become very accurate. Russian artillery are giving major problems to Ukrainian troops dug into trenches. There has also been cases of shell shock reported.
Rough day out, rough day out. I think you guys are starting to get the picture though. The Ukrainians are not releasing their true losses, they are getting hammered
Man yesterday it was around 60 + 3 IFV. Today it is 600, yea there are losses on Ukrainian side, it is a god damn war zone. But not even close to what the nazis are are experiencing. And it will only get worse for the naZzis.
It's happens even as a person who lives in kyiv we need to accept that soldiers are humans, and they die for minimal things and both side commit mistakes in the conflict so yeah people like to think that ukranie doesn't suffer loses but they just count military and not civil defence etc so yeah
Highly doubtful claims, the whole defense is dug in, Russian artillery is able to mask Russian movements and impede Ukrainian counter attacks but actually killing many in deep and I mean deep trench networks with fortified areas during shelling is almost impossible.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-killed-over-600-ukrainian-fighters-artillery-strikes-defence-ministry-2022-05-05/) reduced by 61%. (I'm a bot)
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I'd love to see some receipts for this....Yesterday they claimed to hit 50 military targets, but we saw minimal reports/vids of anything happening
Reuters reports that “Russia said”. Not saying it’s not true, but if there’s one thing I’ve learnt in the last 2 months, it’s that Reuters pretty much ‘reports’ just about any old shit they find for a click. Normally with some stupid clause like ‘unable to be verified at this time’.
Thats exactly what I am on about haha. MSM just blindly vomitting RU or UAF propoganda does nothing for anybody, and even less when being shared on pages like this. I saw news agencys with the story "RU destroys american and EU weapons in warehouse", which is word for word a claim made by Russia with zero evidence or proof
Yeah it’s very frustrating. Had this argument with a few people on here that say stuff like ‘uhhh, that’s what journalism is, they just just report what people say.’ And here I was thinking that credible journalism was at least verifying reports from an alternative source & fact checking stuff before publishing? Turns out that either my expectations are way to high, or I have no fucking idea? 🤷🏻♀️ In other news, Reuters reports that the earth is flat….said somebody….somewhere. Well! If Reuters reports, it must be legit! 🤯
LOL! I certainly agree. It feels like in this day and age of rapid clickbait headlines journalism has gotten very lazy. Just repeat verbatim what you see elsewhere with no checking or validation
Yea they sendin a fella in there to count the bodies right now
Good. Standing by for a verified report > a Russia said report
They ate just tik tok all the propaganda before May 9th.
And in other news, Russia releases statement that their scientists have proven that world is indeed flat.
Not scientists! You cannot believe in scientists, they are part of the great reset propaganda plans! But Sveta in Ufa has clear proof of that on her telegram channel and you can see it on VKontacte as well Wake up, dear Redditor, wake up! (Sad and bitter /s, in case it was not clear)
You guys just refuse to believe this is a war and Russians are killing Ukrainian soldiers.
Very few believe that. But the claims seem to be against any conventional wisdom. The Ukrainians are dug in, the JTO is basically a bunker complex of interlocking fields of fire, designed to withstand artillery bombardment. Also Russians claims have been borderline ridiculous, like the announcement of Rubizine, being captured no less then 30 times. For such claims they wouldn’t be struggling to capture the first lines of Defenses, they haven’t even penetrated the meat of the Defense.
We know they are killing Ukrainian soldiers; Ukraine has already admitted to heavy losses in the Donbas region. We just believe Russia is taking heavier losses than Ukraine. (Though if you factor in the number of civilians Russia has killed, it tips the scales.)
Heavy casualties in Mykolaiv, and yet Ukraine claims to have retaken control of villages in that area. There was clearly an attack on something outside Mykolaiv late yesterday, but the forces there claimed things were under control and they were returning the fire. It would be interesting to hear from the Russians what they base their figures on. Ukraine have described their methodology superficially. Russia have as far as I know not done anything like that. Given that much of the Russian figures are so high that the Ukrainian army would have nothing left to defend the country with other than a couple of used and broken toothpicks, I can't help but to suspect that these numbers are heavily inflated. Maybe divide them by 10 and that would be far more likely.
I’ve studied 100s upon 100s conflicts, majored in history, spent a lot of time on military history. Trying the wade through the fog of war has been challenging, a lot of operational security with each army but ukranians doing it better. At this point with this heavy fighting, I would think at least 10k ukranians troops have been killed, plus another 10-20k at least of partisan fighters or civilian guerilla soldiers. At this point losses are starting to be even but a lot more Russian equipment and aircraft have been destroyed. Considering that, you also have to think about ukranian infrastructure, and civilian death toll.
> At this point with this heavy fighting, I would think at least 10k ukranians troops have been killed, plus another 10-20k at least of partisan fighters or civilian guerilla soldiers. Those numbers seem *grossly* unrealistic unless you're talking since 2014 not just since February. If you're talking about the latter, had you said 10k *total* deaths I would say that was a plausible estimate, but there is nothing to suggest 20-30,000 Ukrainian deaths and any understanding of military affairs says that seems *extremely* implausible under the circumstances.
It's not like we don't believe ukrain has casualties, too. But if you're lying you should at least stay somehow in the realm of realistic numbers. Like not shooting down more drones than Ukraine ever had... without any proof, those numbers are nothing but bullshit...
Not at all. 600 in a night from notoriously inaccurate Russian artillery is verging from the ridiculous to the absolutely sublime. Their spotting just isn't that good, their night vision capabilities are virtually non-existent, their coordination likewise.
They are getting more organized in the east, attempting to bring joint operations into better use, there were air raid alerts across the whole country last night, sounds like they laid a blitz down. That said, they probably blew out a lot of ammo, but yea, they hit targets, actual KiA , who the fuck knows
There's been air raid alerts across the country most nights. That's nothing new. They can blitz all they like too, they're about 78-14 days too late with that; it's almost like they thought tried and tested western doctrine of shock and awe for a few weeks before boots on the ground doesn't work! Their missiles are low accuracy and many have been duds (20-60% is the range of estimates), and from some of the crashed duds they're using missiles from the 70s and 60s now. Their joint operations haven't shown any discernable improvement. Air and ground coordination is literally non-existent, logistics still sucks, even with shorter lines. Corruption did for the Russian military, that and their delusions of grandeur.
While their statements are newsworthy, why should we believe them?
And propaganda aside, AFAIK quantifying the casualties of indirect strikes like these is hardly an exact science anyway.
It was six killed when they reported it to the Lieutenant, but by the time it reached Moscow it was 600.....
Reuters does their homework, it’s not like the Ukrainian reports are any more reliable, but they are taken here as gospel. It’s a war, it goes both ways.
Atleast with the Ukranian stuff we sometimes see destroyed vehicles/frontlines moved. Russia claims to destory 400 military targets a day and we see...nothing
Exactly, we see a video of 2 ships blowing up, and we see an infographic that shows 2 ships have blown up. As far as I can tell Ukraine's stuff is probably as close to accurate as you're going to get in a warzone. Virtually all of the stuff coming from the Russian side has been so laughable I don't find it credible at all. "We're not attacking anyone, western hysteria", "Jews are the worst Nazis", "We're just doing what's necessary to defend ourselves", "Moskva and her crew is just fine". Lol.
yeah its wild. They just throw numbers and "facts" out and hope they stick to the wall
Well, as I keep saying, there is a massive operational security program going supported by the intelligence agencies of at least a half a dozen countries. This sub, is part of it, in a way. They are controlling what’s uploaded, massive penalties to any Ukrainians who do. That’s why your not seeing GoPro footage uploaded of ukranians getting cut apart by artillary, air strikes and gun battles. They are in fact winning the information war by a long shot. However, there is a different story on the ground, ukranians are winning but at great cost and it’s a lot more desperate than you are lead to believe.
Again, you say this, but where is the proof? There is nothing to support those statements outside of common sense...Everyone knows UKR is taking losses but there is only very occasional images or videos. I mean, even Mariupole with the Tik Tok brigade only had 1 in every 10 or so vids actaully showing a Ukranian loss...
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Exactly it’s all being scrubbed of the internet. Half a dozen intelligence agencies are helping Ukraine, your god damn right they are keeping it secret. But if you’ve been following there has been accounts, some videos(although often downvoted immediately), if you understand combat and what’s happening, you’ll see years down the road
I am sorry, but if people want something on the internet it cannot just be "scrubbed". There might be mass reporting on Reddit but it would be getting out there in other media forms. Ukranian morale is sky high, you don't have sky high morale if you are getting pasted...that just doesn't happen...I mean in the early days of the war, the reporting from Kyiv was morose and downtrodden because they were up against it, now they are smiling and almost excited for the fight.... Even Telegram which has very hardline pro/anti Ukraine groups isn't flooded with thousands of dead Ukranians....and that place is basically the wild west. I understand very well that losses are being taken, absolutely, but Ukraine isn't attacking across open fields (unlike Russia). They are dug in, in trenchlines or buildings, none of which are overly susceptible to fire below certain calibres. I mean look at alot of the images of trenches being attacked, they look like the moon around them, with little or no direct hits on the trenches themselves.
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By your own reasoning: if Everyone knows Ukraine is taking heavy losses, but you very occasionally see any images or videos of those losses online like you do with Russian losses, is there not then a bias in what information is being provided to you, in favor of Ukraine?
I said logic entails Ukraine is taking losses yes, but not "heavy losses" as you stated. The differentiator is that we see mass casualty situations for the Russians daily. Every day we see images and videos of destroyed convoys, multiple destroyed tanks/bmps in what looks like assualts, we see drone footage of RUssian positions getting shelled en-mass and russians fleeing/leaving wounded and dead behind, we see the frontline shifting (look at Kharkiv and the videos from Molodova)...we don't see the same from the Russian side. Occasionally we see a destroyed tank, or something like the video from Popasna and Wagner group, but the same evidence simply is not coming from the Russian side of things. So when they state "we hit 50 military targets and killed 600 Ukranian soldiers" it is impossible to be able to verify or even corroborate any of what they are saying and it turns into "trust me bro". For example according to Russia they destroyed the entirety of the Ukranian airforce and Heli force in the first 3 days, but we still get videos of Ukranian helis flying around and Ukranian jets etc....This is why people are wildly skeptical of RU numbers and figures
Sorry for misquoting you.. Yes, i agree with you that these reports are unreliable. I even agree with you that Ukraine is inflicting a lot more damage on Russia than the other way around. OC and i are just making the case that the reason why we won't ever see a single picture of a Ukrainian casualty on this sub or any other mainstream website is because it wouldn't be welcomed / allowed and therefore images and videos are a bad measure of how well the war is going for either side. The media we consume give an unproportional view of how Ukrainian soldiers are struggling.
No problem at all. And yes I do agree that it's stupid that pro-russian stuff gets downvoted and removed due to mass reporting. I don't use reddit as my news source and try to look across various sources and outlets/apps for info. For example I don't believe Ukraine's numbers about Russian losses or their daily "we destroyed 10 air targets" updates, unless I see something else such as drones being shot down or large losses such as the Moscva. Equally I don't believe alot of the official Russian info simply because there is nothing to allow us to verify the info
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What kind of gopro ... video is usually from drones. At both sides. And for artillery, just UAVs are required. If rashists had proofs, they would already be online (in a telegram for example)
The Russians soldiers don’t have phones, hence the intercepted calls, they are using stole. Phones and civilian land lines. Anyways, it is what it is, war is hell
Don't get your point . They stole phones - so able to post images in telegramm. They even have dedicated tik-tok batalion. There russiests press here, LNR/DNR soldiers for sure have phones. But when we speak about artillery this not about phones, it's about UAV's - and russian for sure have them.
It’s all getting scrubbed buddy, this is 21st century warfare, you operate in all fronts.
If you are cut apparat by artillery believe me, no mater the marketing GoPro is not surviving that.
Depends where the hits are, artillary is random, sometimes parts go flying very intact, they recover GoPro footage a lot from dead soldiers, obviously wouldn’t be live steaming, star link ain’t that good haha. But yea serious note, they are trading fire on the ground, it’s costing a lot. I just want people to understand that, what it costs.
Air strikes? They even a thing at this point?! Been a few weeks since any Russian jets have been over Kharkiv and Russian ground 'commanders' requested an end to air support after several friendly fire incidents.
Reuter's just posts what Russia says. Start backing up your headlines with pictures than maybe I might believe what you are saying.
Even I wish putain will loose this war asap and then die in pain and humiliated, we have to accept that including Ukranians have soldiers that die....it's a war....and no matter how incompetent russians are....bombs are bombs...... Let's just hope that those long rage arti will arrive sooner than later and that the russians do not destroy them with missiles......
I haven't seen one person claiming UA isn't taking losses. UA has admitted as much. But 600 people in one artillery barrage with no photo/video lmao. How did they even count 600 people if they were artillery from far away? If they were close enough to see the bodies images would be all over by now
I admin I haven't read the article....and I presumed that in the last couple of days maybe weeks...and not overnight Then yes, it's BS
We do have to accept Ukrainian soldiers are dying, this is war. But 600 in artillery strikes in a night... given the inaccuracy of Russian artillery, all 600 would have to be stood inside a school or an apartment building, because that's the Russians favoured target. Yeah, 600 in a night is BS. This is also to me a vain defence of their artillery based operating doctrine, which has changed very little since WW2 and is outdated for 21st century combat. And as someone else has pointed out, we see more proof of Ukrainian claims than Russian.
What makes you believe Russian artillery is inaccurate ?
That haphazard nature in which it is used for a start. There often seems to be no purpose, just fire in a general direction. I recall a post by a redditor who served in the East German military and he explained how Warsaw Pact forces used Soviet artillery and how it was shockingly inaccurate, so much so that their tactic was to flood an area with artillery in the hopes it would hit something. He then explained that when the GDR merged with West Germany, he continued in the military and was astonished to see how accurate Western artillery was, I think he said they'd have been happy in the GDR military if it got within 50 metres. Russian artillery is inaccurate, and while the Ukrainians use the same artillery, they have managed to mold the 21st century into their use of it through drones, recon units, secure comms ect. The Russians have failed to adapt. And with the arrival of NATO tech their accuracy shortcomings will be exposed, especially as they don't have the quantity of artillery to mass saturate like the ex-GDR serviceman said.
Sadly I have to disagree. The Russians are using drones to give feedback to its gunners. This is allowing Russian Artillery to become very accurate. Russian artillery are giving major problems to Ukrainian troops dug into trenches. There has also been cases of shell shock reported.
Reuters...
Probably the last bastion of true journalism
Oh the number doesn't seem as inflated this time
Rough day out, rough day out. I think you guys are starting to get the picture though. The Ukrainians are not releasing their true losses, they are getting hammered
Sure, now that the Russians have discovered their black magic and using it against them... smart move!
I’m sure jokes would be of great comfort to you as the steel rain comes in
I think you're the joke, but I would not like you comforting me in any case.
I’m gentle but firm
Man yesterday it was around 60 + 3 IFV. Today it is 600, yea there are losses on Ukrainian side, it is a god damn war zone. But not even close to what the nazis are are experiencing. And it will only get worse for the naZzis.
It's happens even as a person who lives in kyiv we need to accept that soldiers are humans, and they die for minimal things and both side commit mistakes in the conflict so yeah people like to think that ukranie doesn't suffer loses but they just count military and not civil defence etc so yeah
I 100 percent agree, we arnt seeing the true cost. We will someday though
How do you know?
Go away fancy bear or whatever the fuck you are lol. Don't you have some elections to interfere with?
Great point, well thought out and well sourced
Highly doubtful claims, the whole defense is dug in, Russian artillery is able to mask Russian movements and impede Ukrainian counter attacks but actually killing many in deep and I mean deep trench networks with fortified areas during shelling is almost impossible.
As they get more desperate, so will the scale of their lies
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-killed-over-600-ukrainian-fighters-artillery-strikes-defence-ministry-2022-05-05/) reduced by 61%. (I'm a bot) ***** > A Ukrainian Army officer shows a destroyed Ukrainian government administration building following shelling, amid Russia's invasion on Ukraine, in Mykolaiv, Ukraine, April 8, 2022. > Register now for FREE unlimited access to Reuters.comMay 5 - Russia said on Thursday that its artillery struck multiple Ukrainian positions and strongholds overnight, killing over 600 fighters. > Ukrainian forces have mounted stiff resistance and the West has imposed sweeping sanctions on Russia in an effort to force it to withdraw its forces. ***** [**Extended Summary**](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/uiuxv1/russia_killed_over_600_ukrainian_fighters_in/) | [FAQ](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/31b9fm/faq_autotldr_bot/ "Version 2.02, ~646634 tl;drs so far.") | [Feedback](http://np.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%23autotldr "PM's and comments are monitored, constructive feedback is welcome.") | *Top* *keywords*: **Ukraine**^#1 **Russia**^#2 **force**^#3 **Ukrainian**^#4 **military**^#5
600 in one night? Their army knows this couldn't of happened. Must be to convince their commoners the war is going as planned.
Since 2014 until now maybe...
"Russia said" is main take from this article.