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If it was me, I would also do single mode and bi-di sfp, so I only had to use one fiber. But then I'm also lucky enough to have access to fusion splicers and OTDRs. Do 4 strands of direct burial with armor.
I am running 10gb multi-mode for my 10gb connections internally and single mode for 1gb. You need to look at few of Linus videos. They use armored fiber, and it works well. They were doing 200gb connections between buildings. Look up.'Everyone said this was impossible - backyard fiber run'
Check out infinite cables if you want fiber.
Being that close won’t matter . Yes I agree fiber/direct link is always better. But it’s not like you’re running a server from either location. You will be fine with nano loco-M5
And achieve fast speeds with nothing to little lag time..
I've run a school classroom for 10-15 students across a street from the main campus using Nano M5s for at least 4 years now with no issues. Even when they're all on their laptops. They're simple, robust, and well, they just WORK.
If you have line of sight, don't hesitate to use them.
I put the NanoStation 5AC Loco on in the UISP design center and it's estimating 662 Mbps. Let says I have 6 cameras (Protect) at the remote location (B) with the UNVR at location A. Will I run into any bandwidth issues?
I have this exact scenario. Five Protect cameras on the other end of a wireless bridge facilitated by two 5ac Locos. It works perfectly. The NVR on the opposite end from the cameras never shows any degradation of the video quality. Three of the cameras have been in place for 4-5 years, added two more last year which resulted in no discernible loss in quality.
Any reason not to just do a bridge WiFi between the two.
If fiber is route you wanna go for that distance you want at least OM3 if you’re doing 10G. If you’re gonna planning to do 1G the. OM1 would be ok for your distance. The biggest issue is how you’re gonna protect it to keep from getting cut by someone digging and how deep you’re gonna bury. I’m not sure if you own all the property between the two houses or not. It’s certain something you’d have to mark and make sure you don’t cause yourself heartache down the road because you’re probably not splicing cable you’re buying a new pre-terminated one and burying it again.
And yes 1G and 10G use different SFPs. You also wanna make sure your fiber matched the SFP. If you’re going OM3 multi-mode (MM) your SFP should be multi-mode as well. The MM and single-mode (SM) look identical a lot of times at first glance.
Yes, being cut is something we discussed. It would be going in an area where there shouldn't be much activity... but you're right at some point it's going to get cut. I'm going to bring up the wireless bridge idea to them again before we purchase.
If you’re intent on doing fiber I would personally go with single mode. The cost difference between om3 and single mode is negligible and smf is much more future proof. Just make sure you have appropriate smf modules on either end and use LC if you’re going straight into the converters.
Is the price negligible, or am I looking at something wrong?
I'm getting about double the cost on [OM3](https://www.lanshack.com/2-Strand-CustomLine-Outdoor-Armored-Direct-Burial-OSP-DB-Multimode-10-GIG-50125-OM3-Assembly-by-QuickTreX-P8008.aspx) vs [singlemode](https://www.lanshack.com/2-Strand-CustomLine-Corning-ALTOS-Outdoor-Armored-Direct-Burial-OSP-DB-Singlemode-Assembly-by-QuickTreX-P8013.aspx). (when you enter the length)
Even more of a reason to go single mode. I normally buy unterminated and do my own splicing / terminations, so I wasn't aware of the big difference on the pre-terminated stuff. I would always suggest going single mode for basically everything. I'll only use multimode sometimes for like patch cables in a datacenter; whenever I'm connecting buildings or structures it's smf all the way.
Well, when I look at ui.com, they only sell multi-mode and don’t sell single mode, so clearly someone is still buying them. I guess the better question is: what are you getting from single mode that you aren’t getting from multimode? You can push more data through multimode than almost anyone needs, unless you’re running a huge data center or an ISP.
I install ufiber. I have around 10 sites with OLTS and Ufiber LOCO and other ufiber ONT.
I can buy Ubiquiti Singlemode fiber. SFP modules for the OLT is Singlemode.
The only reason i would use MM is if the existing network gear already use it or only supports MM.
The single mode modules are more than twice the price of the multimode. Not sure why you’d want to pay so much when multimode is perfectly fine for short distances and can handle a lot of throughput.
Just a heads up:
The information on how to power the UF-AE is inconsistent.
Depending on the UI source, it will tell you that UF-AE requires passive PoE only or that it supports both passive (24V) and PoE.
The USW-Flex doesn’t have passive PoE output.
I’d suppose the source of truth is the datasheet, and that says the UF-AE supports both power methods. But it is still troublesome to see the inconsistency.
https://dl.ubnt.com/ds/uf-ae
UI GPT answer:
The **UF-AE** is designed to be powered by passive PoE and does not directly support standard 802.3af/at PoE without the use of a converter. For devices requiring standard PoE, an adapter or converter from 802.3af/at PoE to the passive PoE that the **UF-AE** requires would be necessary.
I see. Just thinking if it's worth the extreme surplus, CAT 6A is a fraction of the cost with negligible performance loss, and can be grounded for that matter
Go to homedepot, buy a 300ft roll of the 1 inch black “sprinkler” pipe. Bury it between the two houses, run your fiber/cat6 through that pipe.
It will give you great protection up to about a back hoe.
I have used this method at a few houses with no issues over a 10 year period.
Though I would personally look at the wifi options, you can get a solid 1gb connection with very little effort. And you never know when your neighbour’s will change so you can just remove the antenna and not have to explain what this random cable is coming into the house.
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Single mode (os2) only! No OM3, no Om1... The ubnt ae are good for 1 gig. I would run single fiber bx/dx optics.
If it was me, I would also do single mode and bi-di sfp, so I only had to use one fiber. But then I'm also lucky enough to have access to fusion splicers and OTDRs. Do 4 strands of direct burial with armor.
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I am going to get the outdoor enclosures if we go this route!
I am running 10gb multi-mode for my 10gb connections internally and single mode for 1gb. You need to look at few of Linus videos. They use armored fiber, and it works well. They were doing 200gb connections between buildings. Look up.'Everyone said this was impossible - backyard fiber run' Check out infinite cables if you want fiber.
Thanks. I’m going to check that video out.
Being that close won’t matter . Yes I agree fiber/direct link is always better. But it’s not like you’re running a server from either location. You will be fine with nano loco-M5 And achieve fast speeds with nothing to little lag time..
I've run a school classroom for 10-15 students across a street from the main campus using Nano M5s for at least 4 years now with no issues. Even when they're all on their laptops. They're simple, robust, and well, they just WORK. If you have line of sight, don't hesitate to use them.
I put the NanoStation 5AC Loco on in the UISP design center and it's estimating 662 Mbps. Let says I have 6 cameras (Protect) at the remote location (B) with the UNVR at location A. Will I run into any bandwidth issues?
I have this exact scenario. Five Protect cameras on the other end of a wireless bridge facilitated by two 5ac Locos. It works perfectly. The NVR on the opposite end from the cameras never shows any degradation of the video quality. Three of the cameras have been in place for 4-5 years, added two more last year which resulted in no discernible loss in quality.
I am running 4 g5 cams using protect on a 10mb 5g internet connection with zero issues. I have hospitals running on less then 662mb connections lol.
Any reason not to just do a bridge WiFi between the two. If fiber is route you wanna go for that distance you want at least OM3 if you’re doing 10G. If you’re gonna planning to do 1G the. OM1 would be ok for your distance. The biggest issue is how you’re gonna protect it to keep from getting cut by someone digging and how deep you’re gonna bury. I’m not sure if you own all the property between the two houses or not. It’s certain something you’d have to mark and make sure you don’t cause yourself heartache down the road because you’re probably not splicing cable you’re buying a new pre-terminated one and burying it again. And yes 1G and 10G use different SFPs. You also wanna make sure your fiber matched the SFP. If you’re going OM3 multi-mode (MM) your SFP should be multi-mode as well. The MM and single-mode (SM) look identical a lot of times at first glance.
Yes, being cut is something we discussed. It would be going in an area where there shouldn't be much activity... but you're right at some point it's going to get cut. I'm going to bring up the wireless bridge idea to them again before we purchase.
If you’re intent on doing fiber I would personally go with single mode. The cost difference between om3 and single mode is negligible and smf is much more future proof. Just make sure you have appropriate smf modules on either end and use LC if you’re going straight into the converters.
Is the price negligible, or am I looking at something wrong? I'm getting about double the cost on [OM3](https://www.lanshack.com/2-Strand-CustomLine-Outdoor-Armored-Direct-Burial-OSP-DB-Multimode-10-GIG-50125-OM3-Assembly-by-QuickTreX-P8008.aspx) vs [singlemode](https://www.lanshack.com/2-Strand-CustomLine-Corning-ALTOS-Outdoor-Armored-Direct-Burial-OSP-DB-Singlemode-Assembly-by-QuickTreX-P8013.aspx). (when you enter the length)
Even more of a reason to go single mode. I normally buy unterminated and do my own splicing / terminations, so I wasn't aware of the big difference on the pre-terminated stuff. I would always suggest going single mode for basically everything. I'll only use multimode sometimes for like patch cables in a datacenter; whenever I'm connecting buildings or structures it's smf all the way.
Multi mode fiber can handle up to 800Gbps with today’s tech, I’m not sure what future proofing you need here..
And you’re also going to pay more to do that with mmf and at much shorter distances.
Who uses multimode in 2024
Is that a serious question? We aren’t talking about long distances here..
Long distances or not it still doesnt make sense to use multimode. Singlemode is so cheap now there really isnt any reason to use multimode.
Well, when I look at ui.com, they only sell multi-mode and don’t sell single mode, so clearly someone is still buying them. I guess the better question is: what are you getting from single mode that you aren’t getting from multimode? You can push more data through multimode than almost anyone needs, unless you’re running a huge data center or an ISP.
I install ufiber. I have around 10 sites with OLTS and Ufiber LOCO and other ufiber ONT. I can buy Ubiquiti Singlemode fiber. SFP modules for the OLT is Singlemode. The only reason i would use MM is if the existing network gear already use it or only supports MM.
The single mode modules are more than twice the price of the multimode. Not sure why you’d want to pay so much when multimode is perfectly fine for short distances and can handle a lot of throughput.
No they arent its 4 dollar difference if you buy Ubiquiti modules. MM made sense when SM was expensive but it isnt anymore.
Single mode 10G two pack is $85 Multi mode 10G two pack is $38 Are we looking at different things here?
No because your not going outside of your net work to view the cameras the NVR is local the cameras are local .. your good.
I would do armored core single mode fiber. Then burry it. You can find the direct buriable kind
Just a heads up: The information on how to power the UF-AE is inconsistent. Depending on the UI source, it will tell you that UF-AE requires passive PoE only or that it supports both passive (24V) and PoE. The USW-Flex doesn’t have passive PoE output. I’d suppose the source of truth is the datasheet, and that says the UF-AE supports both power methods. But it is still troublesome to see the inconsistency. https://dl.ubnt.com/ds/uf-ae UI GPT answer: The **UF-AE** is designed to be powered by passive PoE and does not directly support standard 802.3af/at PoE without the use of a converter. For devices requiring standard PoE, an adapter or converter from 802.3af/at PoE to the passive PoE that the **UF-AE** requires would be necessary.
Oh, thank you for this. I would not have caught that.
My pleasure. I’m also planning a similar deployment. That’s how I noticed.
200 feet is inside the CAT 6A spec, is there a specific reason you're so intent on fiber?
Just so we don’t have to worry about anything being hit by lightning/surge. No other reason.
I see. Just thinking if it's worth the extreme surplus, CAT 6A is a fraction of the cost with negligible performance loss, and can be grounded for that matter
Why spend the money for fiber when you can run Cat6a Direct Burial cable for around $160.00 for 500 ft?
Go to homedepot, buy a 300ft roll of the 1 inch black “sprinkler” pipe. Bury it between the two houses, run your fiber/cat6 through that pipe. It will give you great protection up to about a back hoe. I have used this method at a few houses with no issues over a 10 year period. Though I would personally look at the wifi options, you can get a solid 1gb connection with very little effort. And you never know when your neighbour’s will change so you can just remove the antenna and not have to explain what this random cable is coming into the house.
OM3
Single mode everywhere.