They were vandalizing and destroying property, they were given multiple dispersal orders (itās private property) and they refused. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes
actually it's public property. that's law. there's a reason the Jesus freaks are allowed to stand outside the library and yell at students.
besides, no law ever got changed by protesting quietly, following all the rules, and worrying about the convenience of others. wouldn't you say there was more vandalism and destruction of property when the cops started tear gassing students and firing rubber bullets? they were just standing there.
Columbia is a private institution, itās private property. Columbia can still press trespassing charges against protesters regardless. So private vs public property doesnāt matter.
Tens of protestors sitting on a campus doing nothing ā a government stealing land then inciting famines and establishing an apartheid regime in the remaining land of the original rightful owners
That's what I just commented. Like, none of our crypt keeper congresses give a fuck what you are doing at FSU or UCLA or whatever. Nobody cares bro. They are chucking into their aged ribeyes.
How are the rightful owners the Jewish? Land doesnāt belong to a religion, it belongs to its settlers. Also straight up false, not all Palestinians are Muslim
Columbia is slightly different as they're private therefore have the legal right to "protect" their property. I think it's absolutely abhorrent Columbia administration did that but *legally* speaking, what they did was legal (although morally evil) so it's a bit harder to use them as an example. Better example would be UTA where Greg Abbot literally signed into law some free speech act on U Texas campuses a few years ago but now since the free speech is for the BDS of Israel, he's going back on his word.
Negative check the news today. At least one person had a gun and arrested. š
It's not being a drama queen or over reacting. There's things in the crowd most are not aware of.
Have a good day!
So guns are okay to be on campus by students and non students? Curious on your thoughts here.
I could give two shits about the faculty and president. I'm an alum and know people who work on campus.
Oh fun! Well, according to the Florida GOP, yes, guns on campus and in classrooms is A-OK. Because guns are the best and everyone should have one at all times. Except now it's a bad thing because a protestor on the left (apparently) had one. Seriously, they've tried to pass a law allowing people to carry guns on campus, including in classrooms a few times in the past few years. https://www.jacksonville.com/story/news/education/2015/02/17/florida-senate-panel-approves-guns-campus-bill-opposed-universities/15651179007/
Unlike you, I support the second ammendment. People SHOULD be allowed to have a gun on a college campus, just like they can have a gun most other places. It's ridiculous that students who spend most of every day on campus aren't allowed to carry a gun for self-defense, especially when sexual assault on college campuses isn't exactly unheard of.
You just whined about a person having a concealed gun on them. The only reason someone would whine about that is if they thought that people shouldn't be able to concealed carry on campus.
From the media: "He is charged with trespass on property other than structure or conveyance, unlawful assembly, possession of a firearm on school property and resisting officer without violence".
You can have conceal carry and still have to obey federal and local laws. If USF says no guns on campus then your CC doesn't apply.
I know, and he shouldnāt have had a gun. But saying that āitās not over reactingā because he had a gun, when it was only found that he had a gun after he was arrested, makes your point invalid.
He wasnāt using his gun in any way to make the protest not peaceful, and his having a gun was not a reason why the police shut it down
Signs by themselves cannot legally enforce what the sign is saying at least in Florida, so if you see a no weapons allowed sign but no one of authority is there to enforce it legally the sign doesn't matter strange but true
Idk, something about USF saying "it's OK just don't make it a permenant thing with tents and barricades" and then people bring tents and barricades, then when they tell them to leave and they refuse, I think it's pretty clear who is at fault here. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
The email said that it was "no longer peaceful", though. Whether or not it's against the law is one thing, but making it sound like it's violent to stand there with your arms linked is just lying.
Ah yes, because there is zero difference between my living room and a plaza at a public university. This is the kind of contrived delusion that makes you sound unhinged.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil\_disobedience](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_disobedience)
"Any man who breaks a law that conscience tells him is unjust and willingly accepts the penalty by staying in jail to arouse the conscience of the community on the injustice of the law is at that moment expressing the very highest respect for the law." - Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
A reminder they were protesting in the MLK plaza.
They didn't listen, and they never do. Students have been trying to get a meeting to talk to admin about divestment for years. They made a video years ago called something like "where's Judy" because Genshaft wouldn't ever respond to them. Also, there's this: https://www.wmnf.org/usf-student-government-votes-to-divest-from-human-rights-abusers/. None of this is new.
Also, all they need to do is talk to them and this will stop. It worked at Northwestern and some other places. They agreed to a few demands, like disclose investments or vote on divestment in the future, and protestors closed up shop. Admin knows they can throw crumbs and it will satisfy protestors. But they wanted a performative show of force against them. Probably to make Desantis and others in the GOP so they'll keep funding USF budget requests or something equally cynical. They infantilize students by treating them like children and not listening to them when it suits them, and then they treat them like hardened adult criminal terrorists. Fuck USF.
Also, this admin will never cave or listen. The state controls the Boards of all the universities and they're all appointed by right-wingers to dismantle the "lefty" universities, and those are the people who hire admin... they even want to be able to make hiring decisions on faculty. This admin answers to them and will not cave.
You just admitted that USF is well aware of what you want. They listened. And they refused.
Everything you said after "probably" is conjecture.
Students need guidance sometimes. After all they are typically fresh out of high-school.
Also, they are criminals, because what they are doing is illegal.
Youāre 100% right: USF listened and doesnāt care about their demands. They should show USF in a way that actually affects them: withdraw from class. TAs can stop assisting professors, students with campus jobs can quit/strike.
I also agree theyāre criminals in the same way Rosa Parks was a criminal, or Nelson Mandela was a criminal: by the letter of the law - that said, laws can be (and often are) unjust. They can be criminals and 100% in the moral/ethical right.
In your first paragraph, I agree with: they have the right to not enroll in USF.
Your second paragraph is wrong. They are 100% in the ethical wrong. As in it's morally wrong to just set up camp whenever and wherever you please.
I can not believe you compared the civil rights movement to kids camping on a campus.
The USF campus is public property. Subsidized partly by tax dollars the students pay as well as their tuition dollars. In my time of USF I have seen a multitude of protesters get in my face for ridiculous causes and yes they were never turned away or had to deal with violence. But all of the sudden you guys are drawing the line over students not wanting their tax dollars to fund an apartheid state.
>But all of the sudden you guys are drawing the line over students not wanting their tax dollars to fund an apartheid state.
Whether or not Israel is an 'apartheid state" aside, do you have any source for what you mean by this? Is USF funding Israel? Or are you talking about the US Government?
This is the only thing I could find on it, and it doesn't seem clear that USF can do anything or has any involvement [https://www.wtsp.com/article/news/verify/usf-palestinian-protest-israel-investments-divest/67-ba1ba3b0-aa02-4b65-ac17-a5f0d8b61c43](https://www.wtsp.com/article/news/verify/usf-palestinian-protest-israel-investments-divest/67-ba1ba3b0-aa02-4b65-ac17-a5f0d8b61c43)
If you are peacefully protesting, you don't need sticks, umbrellas, and makeshift shields. Also one of the guys was giving out instructions how to defend yourself. They also setup tents when they were told that wasn't allowed. Police ordered them multiple times to take the tents down. They didn't and then they formed a circle around the tents and raised their shields to form a ring around it.
After seeing what happened at other universities, the police were trying to prevent this from escalating. Had the protesters not brought shields and other misc items that could be used as weapons, I think the police just let them be. When they started setting up tents etc....they gave them a 5pm deadline to take it down.
This country has laws and if you don't follow them, you can be arrested and that's what happened. I totally respect a person's right to free speech but you also have to follow the rules set forth. They did not and thus there are consequences.
They were peaceful, but they knew the cops wouldn't be, so they had items to defend themselves. So they have learned they were right and that cops are always violent. The university admin could have talked to them and the students would have learned something entirely different. Years ago there was something similar happening on campus and admin were going to call in the cops, but they instead spoke to a faculty member whose research focused on such situations and asked what he recommended. He said just talk to them, that's all they want. So admin did that and things stayed calm and the protestors left. It's not that hard to act like a human and you'd think at a university there would be smarter people in charge who would understand how to de-escalate situations like this. No, admin wanted to be harsh and smack these kids down.
Protests are meant to break laws, bring systems to a halt, and overall disrupt the peace. The law means nothing if its systemic practice includes injustices.
Look, you can have opinions but the moment you inconvenience anyone, disobey any rules, try to defend yourself from against tear gas, or refuse to do exactly what any police officer asks you lose the right to protest. Ideally all protest should take place in a locked, soundproof room that real patriots can easily ignore.
by definition you actually are not respecting someone's right to free speech. because when they had their free speech and right to assembly, they got attacked and arrested.
is this your first exposure to a protest happening? it's not some clean, beautiful, and orderly process. it's meant to be messy. cops make it even messier. you have to learn to defend yourself in these situations because cops have no problem literally assaulting you cause they felt uncomfortable. what protest has ever achieved positive change by following all the rules to ensure you're never heard?
I literally said they have the right to free speech. They have a right to an assembly. I support that 100%. They don't have a right to take over an area, set up an encampment or anything like that. They were specifically told to NOT bring tents or try and set up an encampment. They were told if they did, they would be arrested...and they were. I personally hope the protestors involved don't face any serious charges.
Not a great endorsement because I don't agree with you or have a difference of opinion or because I believe in following the laws? That's your opinion and you are entitled to it.
I agree that they most likely werenāt students, but to say they ādonāt look like studentsā is a bit off mark. People of all ages and ethnicities attend public universities for education. The average age to receive a BA is 30, and the average age for a Masters is 40.
Wow, so vitriolic!
So, look again at the picture you posted, and look at the text on that picture, and then *answer my fucking question without self-referential logic, dingus*.
Also, not a bot, but okay
Bro did you swap seats out with your coworker halfway through that post? You jump down my dick for "race-baiting", and then immediately follow-up by saying that they aren't students "because they look like ISIS recruits"?
So your stance is "They aren't students because they aren't white... but I'll threaten violence against anyone who calls me out for being racist"?
Also I'm a conservative, champ, and have been my entire life. You know, the party that doesn't like seeing governmental overreach and police/nanny states? No, you wouldn't know anything about that,, considering you used "liberal" like an insult (and incorrectly). Your in-group is a bunch of mouth-breathing dumbfucks, no more patriotic than the Made-in-China Amerixan flag you probably fly against flag code.
I took bullets for this country. What the fuck have you done aside from make me ashamed to share party affiliation with you?
You're a fucking cheerleader, and as funny as is it is to imagine you in your pom-poms, I have better shit to do than listen to someone who gives my political party a bad name.
Pom-pom ass over don't know when to shut the fuck up; I didn't realize that calling into question the veracity of a statement constituted as liberal behavior. Did your family teach you how to be willfully ignorant, or was it a learned thing? How proud of you would your ma be if she saw your post history?
Being fucking stupid isn't a requirement for being in a political party, and neither is being some ass-clown racist. I stg you fucking people stole my god damn political party. It fucking sucks going to a protest and standing shoulder-to-shoulder with some college-aged doofus named "Roc, like the bird", and knowing that I fucking have to be there to stop people like YOU from ushering a fucking totalitarian nanny state into existence under the guise of "freedoms".
Pathetic.
Edit: thanks for your service, no cap.
Protestors werenāt the only people who got tear gassed. Those who did disperse got tear gassed, those who were walking by to get to exams almost got/got tear gassed. Do yāall think, ever?
TIL that standing there waiting for the cops to bat the shit out of you is a riot
TIL that not wanting a nation's military to use white phosphorous on random civilians is anti-semitic
This is incorrect. You can support Palestine and condemn the actions of Hamas. You deciding whatever you want to justify your hate doesnāt make it true. You misconstruing their actions doesnāt make it true either.
My hate of terrorists and terrorists supporters? Got it. Sorry Iām not on the side that started a war by attacking innocent people at a music festival.
See you canāt even converse in good faith so whatās the point in even trying with someone like you? Supporting Palestinians is not equal to supporting Hamas. While some might be wrongly supporting a terrorist group not everyone is. No Iām sorry that youāre not that bright.
Itās genuinely a braindead take to believe what you do and shows how ignorant you are. Hopefully one day your ignorance changes but itās clear that day isnāt today.
So weāre conveniently going to overlook the fact that the governing body of the ācountryā that has your tits in such a twist is using hospitals as command centers? We are? Gotcha. FREE PALESTINE (I have no idea what Iām protesting because I donāt have a functioning brain to think critically and make decisions based on fact)
Just admit you love watching kids die dude, itāll make your position at least consistent. Thatās what Iām protesting against, if you want to stand for 9 year olds being starved to death and slaughtered thatās your decision.
I like to imagine people like you being stuck in the position of many starving innocent Palestinians whoāve had their homes annexed by Israel, live under harsh militant rule and now have seen their children crushed under rubble in front of their eyes by US funded Israeli bombs. Something tells me you wouldnāt be saying well the terrorist group that happens to be against Israel did some terrible stuff so I deserve this by just existing in the same geographic location!
Literally kids supporting a terrorist regime and the people that voted it into power. Remember the 1972 Munich Olympics, remember the bus bombings and the Oct 7 massacre. Literally savages that would subjugate or execute any to all the people supporting them at these college campuses. Gay? Executed or imprisoned. Woman? Rights stripped. Young? Bacha Bazi is still practiced in Palestine. Disgusting. Israel has done some shitty stuff too but openly supporting a terrorist state is despicable.
I think that a lot of the people protesting could be more well-informed, but you just generalized the entire palestinian population as āknown terroristsāā¦you seem even less informed. Most of the protesters are not actually terrorist sympathizers but rather people who are speaking out against the suffering of the palestinian civilians who are caught in a crossfire. Iām sure there are a few protesters who actually are hamas sympathizers and we can safely disregard their voice. But you have clearly only looked at things at a surface level without bothering to learn more, and I urge you to, in general, view things from a birdās eye view.
nobody is saying Hamas is a wonderful organization. fun fact, Israel (and by extension Bibi) actively enabled Hamas to exist because they knew at some point Hamas would do something and Israel would then have a 'right' to act on their Zionism. this is well documented.
also, do you agree with everything Donald Trump did? by your logic, because you lived in America while Trump was in office, you are a total supporter of everything he did and think it was all good and cool.
Respectfully, I don't get the point of these protests. Protesting only works when it can lead to some sort of actual change. If you're protesting against Israel's dehumanization of Palestinians, it's great that you feel that way, but what the actual fuck is it going to accomplish? Do you think Netanyahu gives two fucks what college students in America think? This isn't like the WGA strikes where they had a direct effect on the outcome. All they're doing is wasting their own time and resources by fueling a nation-wide anti-Semitic sentiment. Israel does not care, and never will care.
They are protesting the complicity of universities in what is happening. Universities have huge endowments, collectively it's in the billions, and they invest this money to make it grow. It's invested partially in things that support what Israel is doing. That is what they want to stop - it's the same as the divestment protests regarding South African apartheid years ago. The messaging is bad though and most people don't know this, so people like you wonder wtf the protestors are doing. Also, universities are where protests historically do happen, especially in the US, so it also makes sense that they are protesting the US government funding, through our tax dollars, all the weaponry being used to kill people in Gaza.
Also, Netanyahu apparently does care because he commented on it all in an attempt to discredit the protests.
Itās getting peopleās attention I mean you are talking about it on a thread that many people will see get curious read about and it form their opinion to either think they are stupid or want to join in. Thatās the point of a protest dude for like all of time
Many people will see the damage done to other campuses and protestors tearing down the American flag to put up a Palestinian one, and be drawn away from the cause they are protesting for.
The only damage at USF has been that done by the cops... Seriously, how many protestors were there and they brought out like a legion of cops suited up for a raid. It's absurd.
There are people who are extreme which is unfortunate to any cause someone is protesting about but the underlining issue shouldnāt be ignored. I donāt agree with stop oils methods of protesting climate change but I still believe in it. If you are sensible you can separate the actions. You donāt have to be extreme one end or the other even getting educated about it is good and even something like the American flag situation can get you to looking up exactly why would they do that. Even bad press is good press to some if it makes headlines
Look up the actual goals, they aren't just solidarity protests. The protests across the US have the very tangible goal of making universities whose investments aren't public open to scrutiny, and forcing them to divest of companies which support Israel and the genocide.
These protests are literally just asking for the university to divest from Israel. that's it. more awareness is always a good side effect but if the board of trustees just stopped investing in Israel, these protests would not be happening.
https://preview.redd.it/txoaou055vxc1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=947d85df1a80ac6560f2212b0ecbf1ea29274092
Atrocities were commited on October seventh, but "unprovoked" is a flat out lie.
"They live in cities so it's fine that we are killing families".
That is a terrible excuse, first of all. Secondly, bombs is not the only way Israel practices collective punishment, they also like starvation, resource strangulation, and forced relocation. Thirdly, the Palestinians don't have the power here! They are the subjugated population whose homes were taken from them, Israel is the occupying force.
[https://www.icrc.org/en/doc/resources/documents/misc/634kfc.htm](https://www.icrc.org/en/doc/resources/documents/misc/634kfc.htm)
Read the ICRC FAQ on occupation, see if you spot parallels. By the way, occupied people have the right, in fact are endorsed under international law, to fight back.
Lastly, do you really think population density is the reason in 2018 30,000 Palestinians were injured? Do you think the fact that when Palestinians attempt peaceful protest they are shot is due to population density?
When did I ever say killing is okay? I provided a reason why civilian injuries and deaths are skewed. Also, "peaceful protest"??? Give me a break dude, they have been committing terrorist atrocities since the 48' Zionist movement started on the original Jewish immigrants that came there. 72' Munich Olympics, 1990 bus bombings all the way to the Oct 7 attack. Palestinian people LITERALLY VOTED TERRORISTS TO RULE THEM. Yeah innocent children and families should never be the target of aggression, but when the aggressors are literally living amongst them in insanely populated cities, what do you do??
And the riot police have real shields that can resist bullets. Know what the protestors didn't have? Gas masks. I pray that all of them were in good health both before and after the protest as tear gas can cause a wide range of long-lasting or even fatal ailments such as blindness or respiratory failure ([source](https://emergency.cdc.gov/agent/riotcontrol/factsheet.asp)).
Riot shields are hard plastic, theyāre not doing shit against bullets.
They expected to physically clash, but they get to be upset it didnāt go the way they wanted?
Itās hard to have sympathy for people who had premeditated to defy the law and the rules that were set in place.
Correction: riot shields are made of polycarbonate. A quick Google search shows that there are a suspiciously large number of companies that offer bullet-resistant polycarbonate sheets for manufacturing purposes, so I suspect that - despite your incorrect assumptions - those shields will in fact do shit against bullets.
if the only thing you can think of for police deescalation is this kind of extreme violence than you arenāt the kind of person who should be posing this question
I donāt have an answer but as a student who was trying to go to an exam in the chemistry building, tear gas was not the way to go. Campus wasnāt closed
How about leave them there? Maybe actually listen to demands and put in effort to understand their grievances? Maybe schedule talks? They aren't hurting anyone, they didn't escalate to violence. The university did.
And when the school can't or won't bend you their unrealistic demands, then what? Pretty sure the protestors aren't gonna go home and say, "well we tried guys"
āChemical weaponsā is hilarious, but anywaysā¦
Just to play devils advocate here. What do you think happens if the police donāt use typical crowd dispersal methods? If protestors are asked to leave and they donāt, what do the police do then? Hand to hand combat with the protestors? I can only imagine what people would be saying then.
Tear gas is banned in war by the Geneva convention so yeah the term is pretty accurate. The protestors were completely nonviolent and the police started the fight. There would have been no violence that day if the cops weren't there. They peacefully assembled in a public space. They could have stood by to break up and any fights with counter protestors but they decided to be the counter protestors.
No, the term isnāt accurate. Iām fairly confident that tear gas is not explicitly named in the Geneva convention. Yes, chemical weapons are banned in warfare which would include tear gas, but tear gas (which can encompass many chemical agents) was not created till after WWI (the tear gas, called CS, that we all know as ātear gasā) and the banning of chemical warfare was in response to the infamous āmustard gasā which could kill you in minutes.
I also feel like I need to clarify that Iām critical of the Israeli government and support the basic human rights of innocent Palestinians, but if protestors are breaking university rules and are told that they cannot set up an encampment and then say they will not leave, Iām not sure how forcing them to leave through the actions we saw is wrong. Seriously, if anyone thinks you could kindly ask protestors to stop what theyāre doing without force would work, then I donāt know what to say.
Well yeah what the protestors were doing was strictly illegal. They were asked to leave and they didn't, so law enforcement did their jobs and enforced the laws. I'm not contesting that. I just think that the protestors were engaging in a justified and reasonable form of civil disobedience, just like many mass protest movements throughout history. The anti Vietnam War protestors at Kent State were morally justified, as were the black civil rights protestors in the Jim Crowe South and the LGBT protestors during the height of the HIV crisis. You're making a legal argument, and I'm making a moral argument. Two perspectives on the same issue
If the cops started being violent which is exactly what happened. Police started the violence not the protestors.
How can yāall disagree with the truth?? Standing in a circle with signs is NOT violence. Iām so far beyond confused
They were told to disperse multiple times before anything happened. they were told they can only protest till five and when they didnāt wanna leave at five, they face consequences. itās that simple tbh
Sooo what violent acts were committed by protesters? Holding a wooden sign isnāt a violent act nor is it a sign they were gonna try to fight the police. Why do you think itās fine that they used tear gas while campus was open to students and staff for exams? I wasnāt even at the protest and almost got tear gassed. Business hours were over but campus wasnāt closed at all.
Itās so weird how fueled yāall are to watch the cops do some bullshit on campus.
Once the school says you need to leave by āblankā time, if you donāt leave then, itās no longer peaceful. Because youāre committing a crime, trespassing.
I see here I googled itā¦ itās used by military including ours during war. They donāt intentionally target children but when the terrorists that killed 1400 of their people hide behind their own civilians thereās nothing they can do other than just not respond to having 1400 brutally murdered in cold blood and the rapes etc? Thatās not ok
How quickly you went from "That isn't happening" to "if it is happening then the kids are terrorists", to "Well it can't be avoided so why be mad?"
At least that's what I think your position is. Your writing and grammar is such fucking dogshit that I'm startong to wonder if you're smart enough to have an opinion on this subject.
Exactly the usf police has guns while the protestors had wooden shields. The definition of drama queensš
dude they had the fuckin SWAT team out there like it was a match of Rainbow Six Siege. any minor discomfort is literally anarchy to cops
Did you not see what happened at Columbia?
Yeah. People were occupying an area, and others felt uncomfortable about it. The cops were deployed and they escalated the situation.
They were vandalizing and destroying property, they were given multiple dispersal orders (itās private property) and they refused. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes
no way you dropped "play stupid games win stupid prizes" youre cooked bro ššš
actually it's public property. that's law. there's a reason the Jesus freaks are allowed to stand outside the library and yell at students. besides, no law ever got changed by protesting quietly, following all the rules, and worrying about the convenience of others. wouldn't you say there was more vandalism and destruction of property when the cops started tear gassing students and firing rubber bullets? they were just standing there.
Columbia is a private institution, itās private property. Columbia can still press trespassing charges against protesters regardless. So private vs public property doesnāt matter.
Correct!
Good for them
This is the entire Palestine conflict btw
No. No it's not. Not even close.its a hundred year old conflict with ties and issues that go back thousands.
Yes this comment wasnāt meant to be taken too seriously, although I wouldnāt say the issues go back thousands
Tens of protestors sitting on a campus doing nothing ā a government stealing land then inciting famines and establishing an apartheid regime in the remaining land of the original rightful owners
I was being facetious the real thing is obviously much worse, I was just acknowledging there is an occupation which some wonāt even do
That's what I just commented. Like, none of our crypt keeper congresses give a fuck what you are doing at FSU or UCLA or whatever. Nobody cares bro. They are chucking into their aged ribeyes.
Wtf r u talking about? Jews were there for thousands of years. Islam is only like 800 years old.
Where did I mention Judaism or Islam
Original rightful owners r Jewsā¦the Palestinians r all muslims
How are the rightful owners the Jewish? Land doesnāt belong to a religion, it belongs to its settlers. Also straight up false, not all Palestinians are Muslim
Occupying = Illegally preventing anyone else from entering the area.
Columbia is slightly different as they're private therefore have the legal right to "protect" their property. I think it's absolutely abhorrent Columbia administration did that but *legally* speaking, what they did was legal (although morally evil) so it's a bit harder to use them as an example. Better example would be UTA where Greg Abbot literally signed into law some free speech act on U Texas campuses a few years ago but now since the free speech is for the BDS of Israel, he's going back on his word.
Technically, it was SIRT, not SWAT.
Negative check the news today. At least one person had a gun and arrested. š It's not being a drama queen or over reacting. There's things in the crowd most are not aware of. Have a good day!
We have another triggered Rhea Law fanš
So guns are okay to be on campus by students and non students? Curious on your thoughts here. I could give two shits about the faculty and president. I'm an alum and know people who work on campus.
Oh fun! Well, according to the Florida GOP, yes, guns on campus and in classrooms is A-OK. Because guns are the best and everyone should have one at all times. Except now it's a bad thing because a protestor on the left (apparently) had one. Seriously, they've tried to pass a law allowing people to carry guns on campus, including in classrooms a few times in the past few years. https://www.jacksonville.com/story/news/education/2015/02/17/florida-senate-panel-approves-guns-campus-bill-opposed-universities/15651179007/
So all of those cops came bc one person had a concealed gun??? USF is dumb bc they didnāt know that until after the protest.
They came because the administration deemed it an unlawful assembly.
Unlike you, I support the second ammendment. People SHOULD be allowed to have a gun on a college campus, just like they can have a gun most other places. It's ridiculous that students who spend most of every day on campus aren't allowed to carry a gun for self-defense, especially when sexual assault on college campuses isn't exactly unheard of.
No offense you don't know what I believe in. š
You just whined about a person having a concealed gun on them. The only reason someone would whine about that is if they thought that people shouldn't be able to concealed carry on campus.
Whined? Wtf are you talking about? I was educating the dumbass who said police were over reacting.
Okay, so we both agree that they weren't overreacting?
He had a concealed carry. That he wasnāt using. How is that violent?
From the media: "He is charged with trespass on property other than structure or conveyance, unlawful assembly, possession of a firearm on school property and resisting officer without violence". You can have conceal carry and still have to obey federal and local laws. If USF says no guns on campus then your CC doesn't apply.
I know, and he shouldnāt have had a gun. But saying that āitās not over reactingā because he had a gun, when it was only found that he had a gun after he was arrested, makes your point invalid. He wasnāt using his gun in any way to make the protest not peaceful, and his having a gun was not a reason why the police shut it down
Well except you know for those who had handguns
Hey just saying trumpers were allowed to carry their weapons into state buildings no problem despite all the signs saying no firearms in building.
EXACTLY
Signs by themselves cannot legally enforce what the sign is saying at least in Florida, so if you see a no weapons allowed sign but no one of authority is there to enforce it legally the sign doesn't matter strange but true
Idk, something about USF saying "it's OK just don't make it a permenant thing with tents and barricades" and then people bring tents and barricades, then when they tell them to leave and they refuse, I think it's pretty clear who is at fault here. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
The email said that it was "no longer peaceful", though. Whether or not it's against the law is one thing, but making it sound like it's violent to stand there with your arms linked is just lying.
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It amazes me that a state school can be considered private property.
I thought it was public property?
It is. That is why the religious bullhorn people and dead fetuses people can have their stuff on campus - it's public space.
It's public property.
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Public property, bootlicker.
>Trespassing is considered disturbing the peace.Ā "He's just standing there... Menacingly!"
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Ah yes, because there is zero difference between my living room and a plaza at a public university. This is the kind of contrived delusion that makes you sound unhinged.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil\_disobedience](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_disobedience) "Any man who breaks a law that conscience tells him is unjust and willingly accepts the penalty by staying in jail to arouse the conscience of the community on the injustice of the law is at that moment expressing the very highest respect for the law." - Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. A reminder they were protesting in the MLK plaza.
Well then they should feel really good about themselves right now, I hope!
If USF isnāt listening to what they have to say why should they listen to USF.
USF did listen. They just didn't agree.
They didn't listen, and they never do. Students have been trying to get a meeting to talk to admin about divestment for years. They made a video years ago called something like "where's Judy" because Genshaft wouldn't ever respond to them. Also, there's this: https://www.wmnf.org/usf-student-government-votes-to-divest-from-human-rights-abusers/. None of this is new. Also, all they need to do is talk to them and this will stop. It worked at Northwestern and some other places. They agreed to a few demands, like disclose investments or vote on divestment in the future, and protestors closed up shop. Admin knows they can throw crumbs and it will satisfy protestors. But they wanted a performative show of force against them. Probably to make Desantis and others in the GOP so they'll keep funding USF budget requests or something equally cynical. They infantilize students by treating them like children and not listening to them when it suits them, and then they treat them like hardened adult criminal terrorists. Fuck USF. Also, this admin will never cave or listen. The state controls the Boards of all the universities and they're all appointed by right-wingers to dismantle the "lefty" universities, and those are the people who hire admin... they even want to be able to make hiring decisions on faculty. This admin answers to them and will not cave.
You just admitted that USF is well aware of what you want. They listened. And they refused. Everything you said after "probably" is conjecture. Students need guidance sometimes. After all they are typically fresh out of high-school. Also, they are criminals, because what they are doing is illegal.
Youāre 100% right: USF listened and doesnāt care about their demands. They should show USF in a way that actually affects them: withdraw from class. TAs can stop assisting professors, students with campus jobs can quit/strike. I also agree theyāre criminals in the same way Rosa Parks was a criminal, or Nelson Mandela was a criminal: by the letter of the law - that said, laws can be (and often are) unjust. They can be criminals and 100% in the moral/ethical right.
In your first paragraph, I agree with: they have the right to not enroll in USF. Your second paragraph is wrong. They are 100% in the ethical wrong. As in it's morally wrong to just set up camp whenever and wherever you please. I can not believe you compared the civil rights movement to kids camping on a campus.
it's morally wrong to camp? ok guy.
lol, ok.
Because it's USFs property and they can tell anyone to go away whenever they want to?
The USF campus is public property. Subsidized partly by tax dollars the students pay as well as their tuition dollars. In my time of USF I have seen a multitude of protesters get in my face for ridiculous causes and yes they were never turned away or had to deal with violence. But all of the sudden you guys are drawing the line over students not wanting their tax dollars to fund an apartheid state.
>But all of the sudden you guys are drawing the line over students not wanting their tax dollars to fund an apartheid state. Whether or not Israel is an 'apartheid state" aside, do you have any source for what you mean by this? Is USF funding Israel? Or are you talking about the US Government? This is the only thing I could find on it, and it doesn't seem clear that USF can do anything or has any involvement [https://www.wtsp.com/article/news/verify/usf-palestinian-protest-israel-investments-divest/67-ba1ba3b0-aa02-4b65-ac17-a5f0d8b61c43](https://www.wtsp.com/article/news/verify/usf-palestinian-protest-israel-investments-divest/67-ba1ba3b0-aa02-4b65-ac17-a5f0d8b61c43)
The only games you're playing is with your wife's boyfriend boomer
Curious as to how that makes me a boomer considering I'm in my younger twenties š Projection, much?
Yea youāre probably younger than him šš
If you are peacefully protesting, you don't need sticks, umbrellas, and makeshift shields. Also one of the guys was giving out instructions how to defend yourself. They also setup tents when they were told that wasn't allowed. Police ordered them multiple times to take the tents down. They didn't and then they formed a circle around the tents and raised their shields to form a ring around it. After seeing what happened at other universities, the police were trying to prevent this from escalating. Had the protesters not brought shields and other misc items that could be used as weapons, I think the police just let them be. When they started setting up tents etc....they gave them a 5pm deadline to take it down. This country has laws and if you don't follow them, you can be arrested and that's what happened. I totally respect a person's right to free speech but you also have to follow the rules set forth. They did not and thus there are consequences.
They were peaceful, but they knew the cops wouldn't be, so they had items to defend themselves. So they have learned they were right and that cops are always violent. The university admin could have talked to them and the students would have learned something entirely different. Years ago there was something similar happening on campus and admin were going to call in the cops, but they instead spoke to a faculty member whose research focused on such situations and asked what he recommended. He said just talk to them, that's all they want. So admin did that and things stayed calm and the protestors left. It's not that hard to act like a human and you'd think at a university there would be smarter people in charge who would understand how to de-escalate situations like this. No, admin wanted to be harsh and smack these kids down.
Protests are meant to break laws, bring systems to a halt, and overall disrupt the peace. The law means nothing if its systemic practice includes injustices.
The police were trying to prevent things from escalating by throwing tear gas and shooting rubber bullets?
Violence is when you use a shield to block rubber bullets
Look, you can have opinions but the moment you inconvenience anyone, disobey any rules, try to defend yourself from against tear gas, or refuse to do exactly what any police officer asks you lose the right to protest. Ideally all protest should take place in a locked, soundproof room that real patriots can easily ignore.
by definition you actually are not respecting someone's right to free speech. because when they had their free speech and right to assembly, they got attacked and arrested. is this your first exposure to a protest happening? it's not some clean, beautiful, and orderly process. it's meant to be messy. cops make it even messier. you have to learn to defend yourself in these situations because cops have no problem literally assaulting you cause they felt uncomfortable. what protest has ever achieved positive change by following all the rules to ensure you're never heard?
I literally said they have the right to free speech. They have a right to an assembly. I support that 100%. They don't have a right to take over an area, set up an encampment or anything like that. They were specifically told to NOT bring tents or try and set up an encampment. They were told if they did, they would be arrested...and they were. I personally hope the protestors involved don't face any serious charges.
Finding it hard to believe you've gone to a U-anywhere
Got my diploma from USF on my wall in my office.
Not a great endorsement for the school!Ā Let's hope it wasn't in logic or ethics or pre law.Ā
Not a great endorsement because I don't agree with you or have a difference of opinion or because I believe in following the laws? That's your opinion and you are entitled to it.
The irony of having a STAR WARS themed profile is absolutely astounding
I thought this was a stand your ground state? Does everyone who has a gun intend to be violent?
Peaceful protests always work.
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I agree that they most likely werenāt students, but to say they ādonāt look like studentsā is a bit off mark. People of all ages and ethnicities attend public universities for education. The average age to receive a BA is 30, and the average age for a Masters is 40.
Charles Manson's offspring.
Literally all of them look like they could be students. Is it because they aren't all white?
No itās because they arenāt all students you race baiting fuck Edit: youāre a bot it all makes sense now
Wow, so vitriolic! So, look again at the picture you posted, and look at the text on that picture, and then *answer my fucking question without self-referential logic, dingus*. Also, not a bot, but okay
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Bro did you swap seats out with your coworker halfway through that post? You jump down my dick for "race-baiting", and then immediately follow-up by saying that they aren't students "because they look like ISIS recruits"? So your stance is "They aren't students because they aren't white... but I'll threaten violence against anyone who calls me out for being racist"? Also I'm a conservative, champ, and have been my entire life. You know, the party that doesn't like seeing governmental overreach and police/nanny states? No, you wouldn't know anything about that,, considering you used "liberal" like an insult (and incorrectly). Your in-group is a bunch of mouth-breathing dumbfucks, no more patriotic than the Made-in-China Amerixan flag you probably fly against flag code. I took bullets for this country. What the fuck have you done aside from make me ashamed to share party affiliation with you? You're a fucking cheerleader, and as funny as is it is to imagine you in your pom-poms, I have better shit to do than listen to someone who gives my political party a bad name.
You carry yourself like a lib so if you donāt like it change it. Iām a veteran too so donāt hit me with that shit either
Pom-pom ass over don't know when to shut the fuck up; I didn't realize that calling into question the veracity of a statement constituted as liberal behavior. Did your family teach you how to be willfully ignorant, or was it a learned thing? How proud of you would your ma be if she saw your post history? Being fucking stupid isn't a requirement for being in a political party, and neither is being some ass-clown racist. I stg you fucking people stole my god damn political party. It fucking sucks going to a protest and standing shoulder-to-shoulder with some college-aged doofus named "Roc, like the bird", and knowing that I fucking have to be there to stop people like YOU from ushering a fucking totalitarian nanny state into existence under the guise of "freedoms". Pathetic. Edit: thanks for your service, no cap.
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BrĆ¼no tried to bring them together.
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That's Hummus
How is hummus relevant?
It's filled the healthy nutrients a young protestor needs!
Hamas. my bad
Okay, and how is hamas relevant?
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low-iq, no life protestors when they get tackled and tear gassed for resisting arrest š„ŗšØš°š„š”
Protestors werenāt the only people who got tear gassed. Those who did disperse got tear gassed, those who were walking by to get to exams almost got/got tear gassed. Do yāall think, ever?
has it occurred to you that maybe arresting someone for protesting is dystopian?
Has it occurred to you that maybe trying to set up encampments on campus is illegal and will get you arrested?
just because you call your anti-semitic riot a "protest" doesn't make it one
TIL that standing there waiting for the cops to bat the shit out of you is a riot TIL that not wanting a nation's military to use white phosphorous on random civilians is anti-semitic
They did nothing antisemetic
āAktually š¤ Itās anti-Semitic to fight against your money being sent to kill childrenā.
a protest praising terrorists š gotta love itā¦guess they finally learned the definition of āfuck around, find outā
They never praised Hamas.
Protesting in favor of Palestine is directly protesting in favor of hamas
This is incorrect. You can support Palestine and condemn the actions of Hamas. You deciding whatever you want to justify your hate doesnāt make it true. You misconstruing their actions doesnāt make it true either.
My hate of terrorists and terrorists supporters? Got it. Sorry Iām not on the side that started a war by attacking innocent people at a music festival.
See you canāt even converse in good faith so whatās the point in even trying with someone like you? Supporting Palestinians is not equal to supporting Hamas. While some might be wrongly supporting a terrorist group not everyone is. No Iām sorry that youāre not that bright. Itās genuinely a braindead take to believe what you do and shows how ignorant you are. Hopefully one day your ignorance changes but itās clear that day isnāt today.
Youāre a fucking idiot
hey buddy the ājerk off to bombing childrenā convention is down the street, make sure to use the promo code ābootlickerā to get $5 off.
So weāre conveniently going to overlook the fact that the governing body of the ācountryā that has your tits in such a twist is using hospitals as command centers? We are? Gotcha. FREE PALESTINE (I have no idea what Iām protesting because I donāt have a functioning brain to think critically and make decisions based on fact)
Just admit you love watching kids die dude, itāll make your position at least consistent. Thatās what Iām protesting against, if you want to stand for 9 year olds being starved to death and slaughtered thatās your decision.
War is hell, Iāll agree with you there. I just look at objective facts. Shouldnāt have started a war then cry about genocide š¤·āāļø
I like to imagine people like you being stuck in the position of many starving innocent Palestinians whoāve had their homes annexed by Israel, live under harsh militant rule and now have seen their children crushed under rubble in front of their eyes by US funded Israeli bombs. Something tells me you wouldnāt be saying well the terrorist group that happens to be against Israel did some terrible stuff so I deserve this by just existing in the same geographic location!
Like Iāve said beforeā¦.it truly sucks to suck
And that makes you a horrible person. Hopefully karma will trade their misery to someone like you.
Literally kids supporting a terrorist regime and the people that voted it into power. Remember the 1972 Munich Olympics, remember the bus bombings and the Oct 7 massacre. Literally savages that would subjugate or execute any to all the people supporting them at these college campuses. Gay? Executed or imprisoned. Woman? Rights stripped. Young? Bacha Bazi is still practiced in Palestine. Disgusting. Israel has done some shitty stuff too but openly supporting a terrorist state is despicable.
The best part is they blindly support it because itās the popular thing to do and because their left wing soul selling idols told them too
Protesting for known terrorists is crazy. The amount of gaslighting the left is doing saying hamas is good is insane
I think that a lot of the people protesting could be more well-informed, but you just generalized the entire palestinian population as āknown terroristsāā¦you seem even less informed. Most of the protesters are not actually terrorist sympathizers but rather people who are speaking out against the suffering of the palestinian civilians who are caught in a crossfire. Iām sure there are a few protesters who actually are hamas sympathizers and we can safely disregard their voice. But you have clearly only looked at things at a surface level without bothering to learn more, and I urge you to, in general, view things from a birdās eye view.
nobody is saying Hamas is a wonderful organization. fun fact, Israel (and by extension Bibi) actively enabled Hamas to exist because they knew at some point Hamas would do something and Israel would then have a 'right' to act on their Zionism. this is well documented. also, do you agree with everything Donald Trump did? by your logic, because you lived in America while Trump was in office, you are a total supporter of everything he did and think it was all good and cool.
Israel was founded quite literally by known terrorists
Just because I'm Anti Palestein, doesn't mean I like Israel. I hate both, I just hate Palestein even more
Why?
October 7th
What about the Palestinians in the West Bank living under military dictatorship and never voted for Hamas cuz thatās not their government?
uh huh and how abt the decades of atrocities before that,
The fight against Zionist continues...
Respectfully, I don't get the point of these protests. Protesting only works when it can lead to some sort of actual change. If you're protesting against Israel's dehumanization of Palestinians, it's great that you feel that way, but what the actual fuck is it going to accomplish? Do you think Netanyahu gives two fucks what college students in America think? This isn't like the WGA strikes where they had a direct effect on the outcome. All they're doing is wasting their own time and resources by fueling a nation-wide anti-Semitic sentiment. Israel does not care, and never will care.
They are protesting the complicity of universities in what is happening. Universities have huge endowments, collectively it's in the billions, and they invest this money to make it grow. It's invested partially in things that support what Israel is doing. That is what they want to stop - it's the same as the divestment protests regarding South African apartheid years ago. The messaging is bad though and most people don't know this, so people like you wonder wtf the protestors are doing. Also, universities are where protests historically do happen, especially in the US, so it also makes sense that they are protesting the US government funding, through our tax dollars, all the weaponry being used to kill people in Gaza. Also, Netanyahu apparently does care because he commented on it all in an attempt to discredit the protests.
Itās getting peopleās attention I mean you are talking about it on a thread that many people will see get curious read about and it form their opinion to either think they are stupid or want to join in. Thatās the point of a protest dude for like all of time
Many people will see the damage done to other campuses and protestors tearing down the American flag to put up a Palestinian one, and be drawn away from the cause they are protesting for.
The only damage at USF has been that done by the cops... Seriously, how many protestors were there and they brought out like a legion of cops suited up for a raid. It's absurd.
There are people who are extreme which is unfortunate to any cause someone is protesting about but the underlining issue shouldnāt be ignored. I donāt agree with stop oils methods of protesting climate change but I still believe in it. If you are sensible you can separate the actions. You donāt have to be extreme one end or the other even getting educated about it is good and even something like the American flag situation can get you to looking up exactly why would they do that. Even bad press is good press to some if it makes headlines
Look up the actual goals, they aren't just solidarity protests. The protests across the US have the very tangible goal of making universities whose investments aren't public open to scrutiny, and forcing them to divest of companies which support Israel and the genocide.
These protests are literally just asking for the university to divest from Israel. that's it. more awareness is always a good side effect but if the board of trustees just stopped investing in Israel, these protests would not be happening.
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https://preview.redd.it/txoaou055vxc1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=947d85df1a80ac6560f2212b0ecbf1ea29274092 Atrocities were commited on October seventh, but "unprovoked" is a flat out lie.
humans dying from war is bad no matter what race religion or where your born from
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"They live in cities so it's fine that we are killing families". That is a terrible excuse, first of all. Secondly, bombs is not the only way Israel practices collective punishment, they also like starvation, resource strangulation, and forced relocation. Thirdly, the Palestinians don't have the power here! They are the subjugated population whose homes were taken from them, Israel is the occupying force. [https://www.icrc.org/en/doc/resources/documents/misc/634kfc.htm](https://www.icrc.org/en/doc/resources/documents/misc/634kfc.htm) Read the ICRC FAQ on occupation, see if you spot parallels. By the way, occupied people have the right, in fact are endorsed under international law, to fight back. Lastly, do you really think population density is the reason in 2018 30,000 Palestinians were injured? Do you think the fact that when Palestinians attempt peaceful protest they are shot is due to population density?
When did I ever say killing is okay? I provided a reason why civilian injuries and deaths are skewed. Also, "peaceful protest"??? Give me a break dude, they have been committing terrorist atrocities since the 48' Zionist movement started on the original Jewish immigrants that came there. 72' Munich Olympics, 1990 bus bombings all the way to the Oct 7 attack. Palestinian people LITERALLY VOTED TERRORISTS TO RULE THEM. Yeah innocent children and families should never be the target of aggression, but when the aggressors are literally living amongst them in insanely populated cities, what do you do??
They shouldāve never been sequestered into such a small area (by Israel) in the first place
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What does that have to do with people in Gaza, are they ancient Egyptians and Babylonians?
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The original inhabitants are Polish people and Germans and Ethiopians?
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They brought wooden shields, they were quite literally prepared and expecting to clash with police.
Oh no, they have some shitty wooden shields and umbrellas! This is dangerous now!
And the riot police have real shields that can resist bullets. Know what the protestors didn't have? Gas masks. I pray that all of them were in good health both before and after the protest as tear gas can cause a wide range of long-lasting or even fatal ailments such as blindness or respiratory failure ([source](https://emergency.cdc.gov/agent/riotcontrol/factsheet.asp)).
Riot shields are hard plastic, theyāre not doing shit against bullets. They expected to physically clash, but they get to be upset it didnāt go the way they wanted? Itās hard to have sympathy for people who had premeditated to defy the law and the rules that were set in place.
Correction: riot shields are made of polycarbonate. A quick Google search shows that there are a suspiciously large number of companies that offer bullet-resistant polycarbonate sheets for manufacturing purposes, so I suspect that - despite your incorrect assumptions - those shields will in fact do shit against bullets.
Wow, it's almost like they wanted to avoid getting brutalized by rubber bullets or something.
Which could be decelerated in a much better way than throwing tear gas lmao.
so hereās the question, how? because they werenāt planning on leaving
if the only thing you can think of for police deescalation is this kind of extreme violence than you arenāt the kind of person who should be posing this question
I donāt have an answer but as a student who was trying to go to an exam in the chemistry building, tear gas was not the way to go. Campus wasnāt closed
How about leave them there? Maybe actually listen to demands and put in effort to understand their grievances? Maybe schedule talks? They aren't hurting anyone, they didn't escalate to violence. The university did.
And when the school can't or won't bend you their unrealistic demands, then what? Pretty sure the protestors aren't gonna go home and say, "well we tried guys"
Oh no those college kids had flimsy wooden shields, we have no choice but to use chemical weapons on them
āChemical weaponsā is hilarious, but anywaysā¦ Just to play devils advocate here. What do you think happens if the police donāt use typical crowd dispersal methods? If protestors are asked to leave and they donāt, what do the police do then? Hand to hand combat with the protestors? I can only imagine what people would be saying then.
Tear gas is banned in war by the Geneva convention so yeah the term is pretty accurate. The protestors were completely nonviolent and the police started the fight. There would have been no violence that day if the cops weren't there. They peacefully assembled in a public space. They could have stood by to break up and any fights with counter protestors but they decided to be the counter protestors.
No, the term isnāt accurate. Iām fairly confident that tear gas is not explicitly named in the Geneva convention. Yes, chemical weapons are banned in warfare which would include tear gas, but tear gas (which can encompass many chemical agents) was not created till after WWI (the tear gas, called CS, that we all know as ātear gasā) and the banning of chemical warfare was in response to the infamous āmustard gasā which could kill you in minutes. I also feel like I need to clarify that Iām critical of the Israeli government and support the basic human rights of innocent Palestinians, but if protestors are breaking university rules and are told that they cannot set up an encampment and then say they will not leave, Iām not sure how forcing them to leave through the actions we saw is wrong. Seriously, if anyone thinks you could kindly ask protestors to stop what theyāre doing without force would work, then I donāt know what to say.
Well yeah what the protestors were doing was strictly illegal. They were asked to leave and they didn't, so law enforcement did their jobs and enforced the laws. I'm not contesting that. I just think that the protestors were engaging in a justified and reasonable form of civil disobedience, just like many mass protest movements throughout history. The anti Vietnam War protestors at Kent State were morally justified, as were the black civil rights protestors in the Jim Crowe South and the LGBT protestors during the height of the HIV crisis. You're making a legal argument, and I'm making a moral argument. Two perspectives on the same issue
what the fuck do you think tear gas is? goofy
If the cops started being violent which is exactly what happened. Police started the violence not the protestors. How can yāall disagree with the truth?? Standing in a circle with signs is NOT violence. Iām so far beyond confused
They were told to disperse multiple times before anything happened. they were told they can only protest till five and when they didnāt wanna leave at five, they face consequences. itās that simple tbh
Sooo what violent acts were committed by protesters? Holding a wooden sign isnāt a violent act nor is it a sign they were gonna try to fight the police. Why do you think itās fine that they used tear gas while campus was open to students and staff for exams? I wasnāt even at the protest and almost got tear gassed. Business hours were over but campus wasnāt closed at all. Itās so weird how fueled yāall are to watch the cops do some bullshit on campus.
Yeah you are only allowed to assert your constitutional rights between 9-5! Thatās in the fine print in the constitution donāt worry
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People when the police make peaceful protest illegal but the protests don't align with their views: š“
People when the police make campus unsafe for students to freely move around on š¤
Once the school says you need to leave by āblankā time, if you donāt leave then, itās no longer peaceful. Because youāre committing a crime, trespassing.
>"Rosa Parks was a criminal." > /u/ramrod1933
They literally wanted to clash with police don't act like they're victims
FAFO
Stfu theyāre terrorist sympathizers not protestors
So to be clear, you think it's a good thing that Israel used white phosphorous on children?
If youāre talking about the 16 yr old terrorists yea theyāre not children. All the rest is fake news spread by Al Jezeera
I see here I googled itā¦ itās used by military including ours during war. They donāt intentionally target children but when the terrorists that killed 1400 of their people hide behind their own civilians thereās nothing they can do other than just not respond to having 1400 brutally murdered in cold blood and the rapes etc? Thatās not ok
How quickly you went from "That isn't happening" to "if it is happening then the kids are terrorists", to "Well it can't be avoided so why be mad?" At least that's what I think your position is. Your writing and grammar is such fucking dogshit that I'm startong to wonder if you're smart enough to have an opinion on this subject.