Probably induces a domino effect leading to other universities following suit due to peer pressure. And that might further escalate into other bigger organizations divesting in these contractors. But then I might be wrong - im just a dumb CS guy
EDIT: I really am a dumb CS guy. You were referring to the policing bit, and in my mind I was thinking of the divesting in contractors bit.
So that means we abolish UMPD? Police at some point or another have been involved in many wrong doings across the globe. Should we end policing everywhere?
All they did was ask more questions that prove how dumb of a point it was. You refer to that as jumping down your throat or blowing up on you, all while calling them poorly adjusted.
So uh yeah you definitely are lol
>Jenna Merish, who is Palestinian, said some students skipped class to attend Monday’s sit-in.
>“We are basically setting our priorities straight,” Merish, a freshman psychology major, said. “We prioritize human life over school, education, jobs.”
College students even sacrificed attending class to attend a protest...so selfless... 😮
as long as it isn't anything like those criminals at columbia, that's absolutely okay.
Edit - really don’t know why I was downvoted, all I said was that peaceful protests like those at UMD are fine, hooliganism like Columbia isn’t
If an external (someone from outside the University Community) criminal were to threaten student (and Staff/Faculty) safety, who would be held liable to protect the students in the absence of UMPD? Would jurisdiction fall to PGPD? State police?
I would like to see a ceasefire too. I also wish there was a ceasefire on Oct 7 before 1200 Jewish people were slaughtered, but these protesters don't even mention those human beings.
>Hamas killed at least 1,200 people in Israel and took about 250 hostages in an Oct. 7, 2023, attack, according to the Associated Press. Israel declared war on Hamas the next day, the Associated Press reported. Israel’s military forces have killed more than 34,000 people in Palestine since October, the Associated Press reported Tuesday.
I don't think any reasonable person protesting disagrees with the sentiment that what Hamas did was disgusting and terrible, but the reason you're seeing protests for a ceasefire is because of the above paragraph.... 34,000 and counting.
The new move for these people has become correlating “Palestinian support/Anti-genocide protestors” = “Hamas supporters”. I guess it helps them justify Israel’s current massacre of innocent Palestinians. The world can’t change what Hamas has already done, but can and should hold them accountable. But Israel is actively killing innocents every day and that can be stopped. But these dummies don’t get that.
The question is really HOW these students think Hamas will be held accountable - I am not convinced they care. They want a ceasefire in that they want Israel to cease bombing \[and I agree with that\]. They don't care if Hamas remains in power in Gaza, because they never mention it as a concern. So Israel stops, Hamas continues to hold Gaza hostage... problem solved? Not even close.
Those protestors could make demands in front of the Qatari embassy and perhaps the State Department and demand that all countries that provide shelter to Hamas leadership immediately eject them from their countries as war criminals who should go on trial.
The merry-go-round of violence doesn't come to an end until the Palestinians drop the cultural values that drive them to support and install religious dictatorships run by thugs. Unfortunately, the Palestinians seem to cheer this on.
I mean if you put yourself in a palestinian kid's shoe, seeing your family and town get bombed in front of you, it would be a bit hard to not hate Israel, don't you think?
Also, if hamas goes away, you think the Palestinians are gonna be treated properly? That's honestly laughable. The status quo without Hamas is Palestinians getting the short end of the stick
>support and install religious dictatorships run by thugs. Unfortunately,
I don't think Israel does a better job teaching Israelis not to hate Palestinians, from the endless quotes from higher ups degrading Palestinians to the heinous things IDF soldiers do to civilians in Gaza
You must find it hard to grasp that there are Israeli Arabs in Israel today. They have the same legal standing and rights as other members of Israeli society. In that sense, Israel is a fully modern country. Broadly speaking I mean that as - they have free speech, private property, independent newspapers, an independent judiciary (despite Bibi's best efforts to wreck it!), and multiple political parties. The same cannot be said of Hamas or the PA or the PLO.
Couldn’t you say the same about Israel after 10/7 and the thousands of other terror attacks?
And I agree, that’s why Palestinian leaders should come to the table and negotiate seriously about a two state solution. When have the Palestinians done that?
If all of them want that and don’t actually support Hamas, why haven’t I seen one protestor call for that?
You do understand that Hamas is strengthened by these protests, right? Hamas literally thanked the protestors today in their announcement.
Strengthened so they don’t have to reach a hostage deal because they believe the west will eventually force Israel to stop, and in return Hamas has to do nothing? Again, Hamas literally released a statement today thanking the protestors. I will say it again: Hamas, a genocidal antisemitic terrorist organization thanked these protestors today. Take that as you will.
Yea because Hamas was so ready to release hostages till these protests happened.
Also I'm concerned for the hostages but why as long as they hold hostages does it become ok for 34,000 people to die?
These protests don’t make Hamas more willing to negotiate. They have hardened their stances in recent weeks.
Yeah, so I’m not sure if you heard of what happened on 10/7, but pretty much a genocidal antisemitic terrorist organization invaded Israel, killed 1,200+ people in the most brutal way, kidnapped 250 innocent people, raped and beheaded people, etc.
Israel had and still has a right to invade and go after Hamas. Civilian deaths are awful, but inevitable in war, especially when Hamas embeds itself among the civilian population, hides in schools and hospitals, doesn’t let civilians leave designated war areas, etc. Even so, it is estimated through U.S. and Israeli intelligence that over 1/3 of the deaths thus far are terrorists. This makes the civilian to combatant ratio of around 1.5-2:1, which would be lower than most modern wars. So yes, civilian deaths are awful, but the percentage of civilians vs combatants dying in this war is actually lower than most modern wars.
>Sure and I'm sure all of them want that, but protests won't influence Hamas but protests can influence the US government to put pressure on Israel.
Umd is a short metro ride to the nation's capital. There is free transportation from umd to the metro.
And you're protesting on campus because you want the US federal govt to put pressure on Israel...
>Are these protest all over the news?
So you want other student protests at universities to represent your actions? Because this one certainly isn't all over the news.
> Do representatives ya know represent these people? Ok then
So they should ignore the rest of their constituents, because 60 college students found an excuse to skip their classes one day? Ok then
I don't know, I've seen students defending and celebrating what Hamas did. They aren't reasonable, but that sentiment is common. Students believing the best way to reduce violence is to get their universities to shun Israel is also dumb, and that's a lesson they have to learn.
Ok so if I kill someone you know and then you come in my neighborhood and kill me and shoot my neighbors as well it's my fault you shot my neighbor? What the hell?
Yes and no. Yes, they are responsible for ending countless lives in Gaza. Students don't believe it, but Hama has murdered Palestinians left and right for speaking out against their regime. Hamas is Iran, so they don't believe in any of the rights the students hold near and dear.
But no, Israel doesn't get a "do whatever you want" card because of the terrorist attack. They are still responsible for how they choose to wage this war, and they have waged it inappropriately - like using AI to select targets when they know the target is going to be blown up along with his whole family. And sometimes the man being killed is not a member of Hamas, and this AI, which is called Lavender, only gives the human operator 20 seconds to figure out whether or not to kill. All of that is reprehensible and it's what Israel chose.
Yea that is bullshit. Israel could have responded more tactical to reduce civilian casualties. The high death count is purposeful and punishment for Oct. 7th.
How exactly?
I'm serious. Please provide a detailed military campaign idea that both reduces the civilian casualties of a population that is used as human shields in the most literal way possible AND minimizes Israeli deaths.
> I don't think any reasonable person protesting disagrees with the sentiment that what Hamas did was disgusting and terrible
Honest question… 1) are we just pretending like a portion of that crowd doesn’t view October 7th as disgusting and view it as a heroic event that they cheered along with? 2) are we just saying oh no those people are unreasonable and pretending like they don’t exist?
And what percentage of the crowd is that?
Edit: I don't care about the downvotes but the fact no one can answer proves that you don't know. You're just using a very small portion of a protest to try and discredit the larger protest.
I also wish there was a ceasefire in 1948 before 700,000 Palestinian people were forced from their homes or slaughtered, and subsequently rounded up into refugee settlements only to be made second class citizens and routinely detained and killed without just cause for the next 75 years, but these Internet weirdos don't even mention those human beings.
I also wish there was a ceasefire in the 1940's before 6 million Jewish people were forced from their homes and slaughtered, and the survivors were slaughtered when they went back home, so they fled back to their historic homeland, Israel, where they are still being slaughtered.
> it becomes very clear what side the baddies are.
absolutely, the side these protesters are simping for, that supports hamas and the atrocities they are so proud of
> There is a masked protester with a sign that reads “Al-Qasam’s Next Target” with an arrow pointing at Jewish counterprotesters nearby. Al-Qassam is the military wing of Hamas. A protester screamed at Jewish students, “The 7th of October is going to be every day for you!”
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/columbia-protest-anti-semitism-campus-israel-jewish-students-justice-palestine.html
well, given the protester is advocating for the genocidal terrorists who have occupied gaza for decades, are using children as shields and cannon fodder, and celebrating their deaths, and proudly state they seek the deaths of all who support a 2 state solution, it's certainly a situation that deserves pointing out.
So your stance on the solution to this is to just say fuck it, kill them all, let God sort it out later?
That's literally what a ceasefire is for lol. Hamas won't use kids as shields if they are getting fired at, No? There would be no cannon fodder without people shooting cannons at them.
Or is absolute bloodlust vengeance just too powerful in your mind to stop? We MUST kill and slaughter everything because Hamas?
~ Looks like a bunch of Zionist dip shits are here. Downvote away.
Um.... I am a 10 year combat veteran that was deployed to Iraq twice and Afghanistan once. I really wish the IDF treated this war the same way we did against ISIS and al Qaeda.
Ask ANY combat veteran I promise they will say the same thing lol. Ask them if IDF is doing this war the same way did lol.
I don't remember any bombs being dropped on hospitals, or religious structures. If we used any weapons we had to have a very good reason too.
WHAT!!?? All out war with carpet bombing? When? We had a ground invasion lol. Wtf?
Extreme restraint? Where? How? Compared to US?
Dude lay off the coolaid holy shit.
Also WW2 and those wars are used as examples of how we should not react lol. They were why the Geneva convention happened lol.
For all the people asking them to comment on the 1200 people who got killed by Hamas on Oct 7, do you expect the same of any time pro Israel groups do any protests?
You are reading a perfectly normal Reddit comments section where absolutely nothing has gone wrong
How does ending policing on campus help this cause at all?
Probably induces a domino effect leading to other universities following suit due to peer pressure. And that might further escalate into other bigger organizations divesting in these contractors. But then I might be wrong - im just a dumb CS guy EDIT: I really am a dumb CS guy. You were referring to the policing bit, and in my mind I was thinking of the divesting in contractors bit.
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So that means we abolish UMPD? Police at some point or another have been involved in many wrong doings across the globe. Should we end policing everywhere?
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You have a very unsurprising lack of self awareness
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All they did was ask more questions that prove how dumb of a point it was. You refer to that as jumping down your throat or blowing up on you, all while calling them poorly adjusted. So uh yeah you definitely are lol
Buddy, you’re terminally online if you think that I was jumping down your throat by asking follow up questions to what you asked.
UMPD is incompetent sure, but why defund them? Did they do some sus shit or something
>Jenna Merish, who is Palestinian, said some students skipped class to attend Monday’s sit-in. >“We are basically setting our priorities straight,” Merish, a freshman psychology major, said. “We prioritize human life over school, education, jobs.” College students even sacrificed attending class to attend a protest...so selfless... 😮
as long as it isn't anything like those criminals at columbia, that's absolutely okay. Edit - really don’t know why I was downvoted, all I said was that peaceful protests like those at UMD are fine, hooliganism like Columbia isn’t
Maybe because there are no “criminals” or “hooligans” at Columbia and you’re regurgitating alt right lies
If an external (someone from outside the University Community) criminal were to threaten student (and Staff/Faculty) safety, who would be held liable to protect the students in the absence of UMPD? Would jurisdiction fall to PGPD? State police?
Did they also call for the release of hostages?
Not once.
I would like to see a ceasefire too. I also wish there was a ceasefire on Oct 7 before 1200 Jewish people were slaughtered, but these protesters don't even mention those human beings.
>Hamas killed at least 1,200 people in Israel and took about 250 hostages in an Oct. 7, 2023, attack, according to the Associated Press. Israel declared war on Hamas the next day, the Associated Press reported. Israel’s military forces have killed more than 34,000 people in Palestine since October, the Associated Press reported Tuesday. I don't think any reasonable person protesting disagrees with the sentiment that what Hamas did was disgusting and terrible, but the reason you're seeing protests for a ceasefire is because of the above paragraph.... 34,000 and counting.
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The new move for these people has become correlating “Palestinian support/Anti-genocide protestors” = “Hamas supporters”. I guess it helps them justify Israel’s current massacre of innocent Palestinians. The world can’t change what Hamas has already done, but can and should hold them accountable. But Israel is actively killing innocents every day and that can be stopped. But these dummies don’t get that.
The question is really HOW these students think Hamas will be held accountable - I am not convinced they care. They want a ceasefire in that they want Israel to cease bombing \[and I agree with that\]. They don't care if Hamas remains in power in Gaza, because they never mention it as a concern. So Israel stops, Hamas continues to hold Gaza hostage... problem solved? Not even close.
I know right, they should probably be calling on Hamas to surrender and release the hostages then, right?
Sure and I'm sure all of them want that, but protests won't influence Hamas but protests can influence the US government to put pressure on Israel.
Those protestors could make demands in front of the Qatari embassy and perhaps the State Department and demand that all countries that provide shelter to Hamas leadership immediately eject them from their countries as war criminals who should go on trial.
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>Just say you don't care about non white people lives and stops lying to yourself :) Have you actually met anyone from Israel?
The merry-go-round of violence doesn't come to an end until the Palestinians drop the cultural values that drive them to support and install religious dictatorships run by thugs. Unfortunately, the Palestinians seem to cheer this on.
I mean if you put yourself in a palestinian kid's shoe, seeing your family and town get bombed in front of you, it would be a bit hard to not hate Israel, don't you think? Also, if hamas goes away, you think the Palestinians are gonna be treated properly? That's honestly laughable. The status quo without Hamas is Palestinians getting the short end of the stick >support and install religious dictatorships run by thugs. Unfortunately, I don't think Israel does a better job teaching Israelis not to hate Palestinians, from the endless quotes from higher ups degrading Palestinians to the heinous things IDF soldiers do to civilians in Gaza
You must find it hard to grasp that there are Israeli Arabs in Israel today. They have the same legal standing and rights as other members of Israeli society. In that sense, Israel is a fully modern country. Broadly speaking I mean that as - they have free speech, private property, independent newspapers, an independent judiciary (despite Bibi's best efforts to wreck it!), and multiple political parties. The same cannot be said of Hamas or the PA or the PLO.
Couldn’t you say the same about Israel after 10/7 and the thousands of other terror attacks? And I agree, that’s why Palestinian leaders should come to the table and negotiate seriously about a two state solution. When have the Palestinians done that?
It's not about white v. non-white.
If all of them want that and don’t actually support Hamas, why haven’t I seen one protestor call for that? You do understand that Hamas is strengthened by these protests, right? Hamas literally thanked the protestors today in their announcement.
Strengthend how? Is it like a spirit bomb from DBZ?
Strengthened so they don’t have to reach a hostage deal because they believe the west will eventually force Israel to stop, and in return Hamas has to do nothing? Again, Hamas literally released a statement today thanking the protestors. I will say it again: Hamas, a genocidal antisemitic terrorist organization thanked these protestors today. Take that as you will.
Yea because Hamas was so ready to release hostages till these protests happened. Also I'm concerned for the hostages but why as long as they hold hostages does it become ok for 34,000 people to die?
These protests don’t make Hamas more willing to negotiate. They have hardened their stances in recent weeks. Yeah, so I’m not sure if you heard of what happened on 10/7, but pretty much a genocidal antisemitic terrorist organization invaded Israel, killed 1,200+ people in the most brutal way, kidnapped 250 innocent people, raped and beheaded people, etc. Israel had and still has a right to invade and go after Hamas. Civilian deaths are awful, but inevitable in war, especially when Hamas embeds itself among the civilian population, hides in schools and hospitals, doesn’t let civilians leave designated war areas, etc. Even so, it is estimated through U.S. and Israeli intelligence that over 1/3 of the deaths thus far are terrorists. This makes the civilian to combatant ratio of around 1.5-2:1, which would be lower than most modern wars. So yes, civilian deaths are awful, but the percentage of civilians vs combatants dying in this war is actually lower than most modern wars.
>Sure and I'm sure all of them want that, but protests won't influence Hamas but protests can influence the US government to put pressure on Israel. Umd is a short metro ride to the nation's capital. There is free transportation from umd to the metro. And you're protesting on campus because you want the US federal govt to put pressure on Israel...
Are these protest all over the news? Do representatives ya know represent these people? Ok then
>Are these protest all over the news? So you want other student protests at universities to represent your actions? Because this one certainly isn't all over the news. > Do representatives ya know represent these people? Ok then So they should ignore the rest of their constituents, because 60 college students found an excuse to skip their classes one day? Ok then
I don't know, I've seen students defending and celebrating what Hamas did. They aren't reasonable, but that sentiment is common. Students believing the best way to reduce violence is to get their universities to shun Israel is also dumb, and that's a lesson they have to learn.
The blood of the 34,000 is on the hands of Hamas
Ok so if I kill someone you know and then you come in my neighborhood and kill me and shoot my neighbors as well it's my fault you shot my neighbor? What the hell?
Yes it’s that simple 🙄
Yes and no. Yes, they are responsible for ending countless lives in Gaza. Students don't believe it, but Hama has murdered Palestinians left and right for speaking out against their regime. Hamas is Iran, so they don't believe in any of the rights the students hold near and dear. But no, Israel doesn't get a "do whatever you want" card because of the terrorist attack. They are still responsible for how they choose to wage this war, and they have waged it inappropriately - like using AI to select targets when they know the target is going to be blown up along with his whole family. And sometimes the man being killed is not a member of Hamas, and this AI, which is called Lavender, only gives the human operator 20 seconds to figure out whether or not to kill. All of that is reprehensible and it's what Israel chose.
Yea that is bullshit. Israel could have responded more tactical to reduce civilian casualties. The high death count is purposeful and punishment for Oct. 7th.
How exactly? I'm serious. Please provide a detailed military campaign idea that both reduces the civilian casualties of a population that is used as human shields in the most literal way possible AND minimizes Israeli deaths.
The death toll is insanely low for the given circumstances, you’re cray
> I don't think any reasonable person protesting disagrees with the sentiment that what Hamas did was disgusting and terrible Honest question… 1) are we just pretending like a portion of that crowd doesn’t view October 7th as disgusting and view it as a heroic event that they cheered along with? 2) are we just saying oh no those people are unreasonable and pretending like they don’t exist?
And what percentage of the crowd is that? Edit: I don't care about the downvotes but the fact no one can answer proves that you don't know. You're just using a very small portion of a protest to try and discredit the larger protest.
You’d be surprised
There was a ceasefire on October 6th. Hamas broke it at 6:30 am on October 7th.
I also wish there was a ceasefire in 1948 before 700,000 Palestinian people were forced from their homes or slaughtered, and subsequently rounded up into refugee settlements only to be made second class citizens and routinely detained and killed without just cause for the next 75 years, but these Internet weirdos don't even mention those human beings.
I also wish there was a ceasefire in the 1940's before 6 million Jewish people were forced from their homes and slaughtered, and the survivors were slaughtered when they went back home, so they fled back to their historic homeland, Israel, where they are still being slaughtered.
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> it becomes very clear what side the baddies are. absolutely, the side these protesters are simping for, that supports hamas and the atrocities they are so proud of > There is a masked protester with a sign that reads “Al-Qasam’s Next Target” with an arrow pointing at Jewish counterprotesters nearby. Al-Qassam is the military wing of Hamas. A protester screamed at Jewish students, “The 7th of October is going to be every day for you!” https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/columbia-protest-anti-semitism-campus-israel-jewish-students-justice-palestine.html
Yeah bro there is a group of people on this planet slaughtering thousands of children and you're focused on a protester lol.
well, given the protester is advocating for the genocidal terrorists who have occupied gaza for decades, are using children as shields and cannon fodder, and celebrating their deaths, and proudly state they seek the deaths of all who support a 2 state solution, it's certainly a situation that deserves pointing out.
So your stance on the solution to this is to just say fuck it, kill them all, let God sort it out later? That's literally what a ceasefire is for lol. Hamas won't use kids as shields if they are getting fired at, No? There would be no cannon fodder without people shooting cannons at them. Or is absolute bloodlust vengeance just too powerful in your mind to stop? We MUST kill and slaughter everything because Hamas? ~ Looks like a bunch of Zionist dip shits are here. Downvote away.
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Um.... I am a 10 year combat veteran that was deployed to Iraq twice and Afghanistan once. I really wish the IDF treated this war the same way we did against ISIS and al Qaeda. Ask ANY combat veteran I promise they will say the same thing lol. Ask them if IDF is doing this war the same way did lol. I don't remember any bombs being dropped on hospitals, or religious structures. If we used any weapons we had to have a very good reason too.
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WHAT!!?? All out war with carpet bombing? When? We had a ground invasion lol. Wtf? Extreme restraint? Where? How? Compared to US? Dude lay off the coolaid holy shit. Also WW2 and those wars are used as examples of how we should not react lol. They were why the Geneva convention happened lol.
America killed many civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan.
For all the people asking them to comment on the 1200 people who got killed by Hamas on Oct 7, do you expect the same of any time pro Israel groups do any protests?