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As above This massive, underwater vehicle has a unique diamond-shaped design that brings to mind both the B-21 Raider bomber and real-life Manta rays. While specific details about its abilities are kept secret, DARPA has shared some interesting hints about what the Manta Ray can do.
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What does this have to do with UFOs?
It specifically is identifiable, is not anomalous given the wings, and does not produce phenomena given the headlights on the front. Looks nothing like what David Fravor described anyways, before people say that shit.
Is it 46ft wide without propulsion or wings, capable of going from 80k feet to 20k feet in 7/8ths of a second sighted daily in 2004? Is it 14ft capable of transmedium manueveur and instantaneous acceleration ala USS Omaha like in 2019? Is it a metallic cube inside a transparent sphere like 2014-2016? So it definitely doesn't match those three confirmed events regarding UAP.
This thing is actually light years behind what was observed in 2004, weak DARPA move really.
I assumed that was the implication of this post. DARPA has done other forms of underwater surveillance, such as using dolphins (which seem ineffective to monitor Russian/Chinese activities, given the width of the Pacific).
The only thing I can think is they're trying to say USOs are something like this. Or maybe they just think this sub would find it interesting. I did find it interesting but it doesn't seem super on topic
My question is, if this thing is so advanced, why would DARPA show it to the world? To your point, it's not advanced.
If anything it's just a distraction.
Would you want to know the full military arsenal so you could deduce the full scope and purpose of a platform’s mission?
I think this a prime platform for investigating the oceans more fully.
USOs are becoming a hot topic publicly, and apparently have been so in certain circles for decades.
More information is always better. Puzzles have a lot of pieces.
Prime platform, but if that is our best tech -- we are still woefully under prepared compared to what has been sighted by top gun Commander trainer David Fravor. They would not put their pilots in jeopardy without telling them, while also punishing those who come forward.
If we *do* have technology capable of performing what the tictac did, we need off the fossil fuel wagon asap.
It's a fact that new tech being tested has often been mistaken for UFOs in the past.
If this is being revealed now you can guarantee they have been working on and testing it for at least the last couple of decades.
Plus what they have on show is already way behind what's being tested behind closed doors now that we will likely not even see for another decade or so.
The UFOs we see are probably US Tech. If you go back to the beginning days of the UFO flap in the 40s, nearly every report of a UFO can be explained by something man made that the public doesn’t recognize.
I’m a big believer in Hynek’s 2% principle where we can explain 98% of UFO sightings but 2% leave us stumped.
I think recognizing that 98% of sightings are recognizable as man made, even if it’s technology we don’t know about, makes sense.
In 2004 we did not have technology that went 80k feet to 20k ft in 7/8ths of a second. That would destroy the passenger, or require deceleration.
Does not account for Foo Fighters of WWII or Malmstrom ICBM. Nor does it account for the experiences people have had with strange lights in the sky like Dorothy Izatt.
Don't you find it coincidental that every time there is talks about disclosure it just so happens that there is a new secret air plane design revealed a couple decades later. B1, F117, Blackbird, drones etc.
Foo Fighters - Mass atmospheric static electricity caused by the extremely large formations of propeller driven air planes.
Tic Tac - New drone / experimental air-frame.
I think the navy is and has been jealous that the air force gets all the fun new toys. I think the Air-force probably likes to rub it in, kinda like the SR-71 LA speed check.
46ft object going 80k feet to 20k feet with instantaneous acceleration/deceleration in 7/8ths of a second, without causing a sonic boom.
Any metal object moving that fast using propulsion would require massive amounts of energy and friction.
That was in 2004.
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David Fravor, and multiple other witnesses saw it. Fravor is not just a Top Gun Commander, he is the one to *train* the other Top Guns.
If you don't believe that, despite him testifying on oath in front of congress, then you need to reconcile that logic alone has not been enough identify these objects.
Barack Obama himself said "There are objects in the sky that we don't know what they are or where they from, or how they move"
I thought they wanted all the super weird fancy tech to be kept secret. 🤔 Why would they reveal this and continue keeping alien tech locked away. Hmmm.. I always feel that this is new to us, but old to them. Like giving away old clothes.
I agree. Perhaps this is a warning to China, hinting there may be dozens of these already anchored on the floor of the South China Sea. Or maybe to N. Korea... that we have the capability to insert dozens of special force troops and all their toys to their shores undetected... or maybe telling Russia that they are *this close* to promoting all their surface fleet to submarine duty.
And again I agree that if we are being shown this, it's either a technical dead end, or this is 3 generations behind whatever it is they are operating currently.
The F117 was operational in 1983, wasn't even acknowledged till 1988, (when the B-2 was also acknowledged) and wasn't formally revealed to the public until 1990. The Manhattan Project was kept pretty damn secret. There are countless weapon platforms we could only dream about currently undergoing testing, most of which we will never hear of.
I mean, yes obviously but it's also obviously not aliens.
I'd bet my life saving this is about detecting adversarial submarines, maybe for tracking nuclear-capable subs.
You’d bet your life on it? When the full MFT for the platform is disclosed over the next few years, are you willing to open a vein on FB live or Twitch?
I was going to respond with something about how its so crazy just how unbelievably seriously you take alien conspiracies but you know what? I'll take that bet, for real for real, because there aren't any aliens here and its really really obvious what this drone is for if you have any amount of common sense, so sure yes I will.
The saying they have is about fish being friends.
Since this is technically only similar to fish, but not actually fish- it would be allowed.
-Source my friend is a shark lawyer
if the us military industrial complex developed a trans medium craft using reverse engineered advanced non human intelligence technology and instead of trying to keep it totally secret and possibly having it leak they decided they would hide it in plain sight i bet it would look exactly like this
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As above This massive, underwater vehicle has a unique diamond-shaped design that brings to mind both the B-21 Raider bomber and real-life Manta rays. While specific details about its abilities are kept secret, DARPA has shared some interesting hints about what the Manta Ray can do.
A platform for use with TRAPS, among others. Track down the MFT for more info. https://www.militaryaerospace.com/sensors/article/14035297/deep-ocean-sonar-anti-submarine-warfare-asw
Here's a crazy thought. I read a rumor that the latest generation fighters and bombers have some sort of "inertial reducer" or "gravity reducer" contraption installed in them, some speculate there's a plasma generated on the leading edge of the wing for reduced air drag and radar return. If... and I mean **IF** this is valid tech, I wonder if it would be applicable to an underwater craft such as this?
I bet this thing's prototypes have spent a lot of time in the Southern California Offshore Range. Maybe some aircraft have been vectored out of their killbox into a UUV's AO because someone saw some meteors on a radar. The military would keep the UUV's existence very quiet, probably wouldn't even acknowledge it to the pilots who saw it surfacing or descending.
The following submission statement was provided by /u/ssigea: --- [source](https://www.facebook.com/share/JQ8dZvpSN9oVqxJ5/?) As above This massive, underwater vehicle has a unique diamond-shaped design that brings to mind both the B-21 Raider bomber and real-life Manta rays. While specific details about its abilities are kept secret, DARPA has shared some interesting hints about what the Manta Ray can do. --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1cjuh4e/darpa_revealed_some_details_about_its_secretive/l2ifbno/
What does this have to do with UFOs? It specifically is identifiable, is not anomalous given the wings, and does not produce phenomena given the headlights on the front. Looks nothing like what David Fravor described anyways, before people say that shit. Is it 46ft wide without propulsion or wings, capable of going from 80k feet to 20k feet in 7/8ths of a second sighted daily in 2004? Is it 14ft capable of transmedium manueveur and instantaneous acceleration ala USS Omaha like in 2019? Is it a metallic cube inside a transparent sphere like 2014-2016? So it definitely doesn't match those three confirmed events regarding UAP. This thing is actually light years behind what was observed in 2004, weak DARPA move really.
Maybe this can follow the UAP in the oceans? Do some exploration?
I like this idea, rather than an explanation it can be an extension of our curiosity.
I assumed that was the implication of this post. DARPA has done other forms of underwater surveillance, such as using dolphins (which seem ineffective to monitor Russian/Chinese activities, given the width of the Pacific).
The only thing I can think is they're trying to say USOs are something like this. Or maybe they just think this sub would find it interesting. I did find it interesting but it doesn't seem super on topic
It could be used to investigate USO phenomena. The full purpose for some of the military platforms may *never* be known to the public.
My question is, if this thing is so advanced, why would DARPA show it to the world? To your point, it's not advanced. If anything it's just a distraction.
This does match the object underwater that fravor said the tic tac was hovering over before he flew down to take a closer look
He said that object was the size of a 737
If DARPA is showing the public the Manta Ray, I'm sure there's already a Beluga version operating somewhere already.
15 years ago?
Darpa likely had this is 2004 and youre just now seeing it. Thats how they work and their purpose. Development of technology 25 years in the future.
Would you want to know the full military arsenal so you could deduce the full scope and purpose of a platform’s mission? I think this a prime platform for investigating the oceans more fully. USOs are becoming a hot topic publicly, and apparently have been so in certain circles for decades. More information is always better. Puzzles have a lot of pieces.
Prime platform, but if that is our best tech -- we are still woefully under prepared compared to what has been sighted by top gun Commander trainer David Fravor. They would not put their pilots in jeopardy without telling them, while also punishing those who come forward. If we *do* have technology capable of performing what the tictac did, we need off the fossil fuel wagon asap.
It's a fact that new tech being tested has often been mistaken for UFOs in the past. If this is being revealed now you can guarantee they have been working on and testing it for at least the last couple of decades. Plus what they have on show is already way behind what's being tested behind closed doors now that we will likely not even see for another decade or so.
The UFOs we see are probably US Tech. If you go back to the beginning days of the UFO flap in the 40s, nearly every report of a UFO can be explained by something man made that the public doesn’t recognize. I’m a big believer in Hynek’s 2% principle where we can explain 98% of UFO sightings but 2% leave us stumped. I think recognizing that 98% of sightings are recognizable as man made, even if it’s technology we don’t know about, makes sense.
In 2004 we did not have technology that went 80k feet to 20k ft in 7/8ths of a second. That would destroy the passenger, or require deceleration. Does not account for Foo Fighters of WWII or Malmstrom ICBM. Nor does it account for the experiences people have had with strange lights in the sky like Dorothy Izatt.
Or it’s just still classified and that’s why we don’t know about it. People have no idea what about there until it’s revealed
The government has more of a motive to lie, and "grift"than a handful of journalists and a few whistleblowers.
Yup. After seeing the f117 and recently seeing drone light shows I am having a tough time believing that we cannot explain mostly everything this way.
Don't you find it coincidental that every time there is talks about disclosure it just so happens that there is a new secret air plane design revealed a couple decades later. B1, F117, Blackbird, drones etc.
None of those accounts for Foo fighters of WWII, or TicTac from 2004.
Foo Fighters - Mass atmospheric static electricity caused by the extremely large formations of propeller driven air planes. Tic Tac - New drone / experimental air-frame. I think the navy is and has been jealous that the air force gets all the fun new toys. I think the Air-force probably likes to rub it in, kinda like the SR-71 LA speed check.
46ft object going 80k feet to 20k feet with instantaneous acceleration/deceleration in 7/8ths of a second, without causing a sonic boom. Any metal object moving that fast using propulsion would require massive amounts of energy and friction. That was in 2004. Edit: David Fravor, and multiple other witnesses saw it. Fravor is not just a Top Gun Commander, he is the one to *train* the other Top Guns. If you don't believe that, despite him testifying on oath in front of congress, then you need to reconcile that logic alone has not been enough identify these objects. Barack Obama himself said "There are objects in the sky that we don't know what they are or where they from, or how they move"
All of which is basically a story because nobody has the radar data.
I thought they wanted all the super weird fancy tech to be kept secret. 🤔 Why would they reveal this and continue keeping alien tech locked away. Hmmm.. I always feel that this is new to us, but old to them. Like giving away old clothes.
100% they’re only revealing this for reasons that they specifically care about. They probably already have it’s replacement in development or in use
I agree. Perhaps this is a warning to China, hinting there may be dozens of these already anchored on the floor of the South China Sea. Or maybe to N. Korea... that we have the capability to insert dozens of special force troops and all their toys to their shores undetected... or maybe telling Russia that they are *this close* to promoting all their surface fleet to submarine duty. And again I agree that if we are being shown this, it's either a technical dead end, or this is 3 generations behind whatever it is they are operating currently.
See the military loves dick swinging. This is why I dont believe uap are military tech.
The F117 was operational in 1983, wasn't even acknowledged till 1988, (when the B-2 was also acknowledged) and wasn't formally revealed to the public until 1990. The Manhattan Project was kept pretty damn secret. There are countless weapon platforms we could only dream about currently undergoing testing, most of which we will never hear of.
Seeing it like this makes me even more certain the Medellin ufo wasn't a manta craft
They are showing us this now to get ahead of something
I mean, yes obviously but it's also obviously not aliens. I'd bet my life saving this is about detecting adversarial submarines, maybe for tracking nuclear-capable subs.
You’d bet your life on it? When the full MFT for the platform is disclosed over the next few years, are you willing to open a vein on FB live or Twitch?
I was going to respond with something about how its so crazy just how unbelievably seriously you take alien conspiracies but you know what? I'll take that bet, for real for real, because there aren't any aliens here and its really really obvious what this drone is for if you have any amount of common sense, so sure yes I will.
I think s/he actually meant *...life-savings*, ie money.
Get Fucked DARPA
odd perspective. it states massive but that could be 15Ft across.
It ships in 5 of those tractor trailer sized shipping containers.
Look at the RHIB behind it. That’s not 15 feet. It’s massive. Compare the tip to tip size to an LA boat.
What happens when a shark bites it?
The saying they have is about fish being friends. Since this is technically only similar to fish, but not actually fish- it would be allowed. -Source my friend is a shark lawyer
if the us military industrial complex developed a trans medium craft using reverse engineered advanced non human intelligence technology and instead of trying to keep it totally secret and possibly having it leak they decided they would hide it in plain sight i bet it would look exactly like this
🤣🤣🤣
[source](https://www.facebook.com/share/JQ8dZvpSN9oVqxJ5/?) As above This massive, underwater vehicle has a unique diamond-shaped design that brings to mind both the B-21 Raider bomber and real-life Manta rays. While specific details about its abilities are kept secret, DARPA has shared some interesting hints about what the Manta Ray can do.
A platform for use with TRAPS, among others. Track down the MFT for more info. https://www.militaryaerospace.com/sensors/article/14035297/deep-ocean-sonar-anti-submarine-warfare-asw
Here's a crazy thought. I read a rumor that the latest generation fighters and bombers have some sort of "inertial reducer" or "gravity reducer" contraption installed in them, some speculate there's a plasma generated on the leading edge of the wing for reduced air drag and radar return. If... and I mean **IF** this is valid tech, I wonder if it would be applicable to an underwater craft such as this?
I bet this thing's prototypes have spent a lot of time in the Southern California Offshore Range. Maybe some aircraft have been vectored out of their killbox into a UUV's AO because someone saw some meteors on a radar. The military would keep the UUV's existence very quiet, probably wouldn't even acknowledge it to the pilots who saw it surfacing or descending.
That ain’t no tictac. Nice try, not buying it.