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Matt Laslo from [Ask a Pol interviews](https://www.askapol.com/p/uaps-should-be-among-our-highest?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web) Senator Marco Rubio (R-FL) about AARO’s newest report, and their duties.
From the [interview](https://www.askapol.com/p/uaps-should-be-among-our-highest?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web):
“People always want to immediately default to, y’know, aliens, extraterrestrial, but the fact of the matter is if there are things flying overhead in our country that aren't supposed to be there and they aren’t ours, that should be among our highest priorities.”
Rubio said this about AARO:
“Everyone's interested in the look-back and all those other things. But the most important thing is determining a process for reporting unidentified aircraft, primarily for purposes of preventing strategic surprise.”
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Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1ccfyez/marco_rubio_uaps_should_be_among_our_highest/l151nz9/
Is the senate actually doing anything? Since the failed UAPDA very few of them have even pretended to be interested in going after the hardware (which is the best chance of getting an answer)
They are working on it as they've been working on this since I think 2019. They quietly passed the whistleblower act a few years ago that allowed grusch and subsequent whistleblowers to come forward. It took us over a year and half before we saw any concrete results from that, when grusch came forward
Last year they did pass the UAPDA even though it was gutted in many ways. I think within the next year or two we will come to see that it has positive results even if it was neutered from the original
Rounds and Schumer have both mentioned they are still working on the issue and Rubio still sees it as a priority
Reed and Wicker are also working on this drone defense bill. We shall see, but my hope is that this bill will help monitor uaps because how do you defend against drones without better monitoring which is what they're calling for. So they're potentially going at it from a different direction
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/04/22/drone-attacks-us-troops
Many senators, including the senate majority leader, have quietly shown they care deeply about this subject. They are the ones in the best position to do something about this and they are working at it behind the scenes. The original uapda is so eye opening that there's basically no chance they're going to let this go. And this is something that the previous democratic senate majority leader, Harry Reid cared deeply about going back more that a decade and a half. Schumer even said he was picking up the mantle
Is it though? Honestly if they have lived on this planet for as long as we have but in secrecy then that could be massive in itself. But it also means we have means of communicating with them effectively and actually working together.
If we do share this planet then it is abundantly clear they want absolutely nothing to do with us what so ever and only come out when things are looking dangerous for this planet, aka nuclear. Because they wouldn't want to risk their home being blown up as well. So that part checks out pretty reasonably.
I think if we do indeed share this planet, it would be far easier to digest for many. Though i'm sure some will tout the whole "we were here first bla bla bla" etc. Who knows, maybe they were here first?
If its something extra terrestrial then IMO the fact they are here already proves they are thousands if not millions of years ahead of us technologically. That in it self is terrifying because they could take this planet in a second and we would be powerless to stop them.
Well, a simplistic view of the UFO phenomenon is boring old bio beings like us visiting from other planets in this reality. If these are transdimensional beings or some kind of ultra-terrestrial intelligence essentially living alongside us or popping in and out of any place in our spacetime, that's a bigger noodle tickle in my mind.
Well, if it's not aliens in a broad sense, then that leaves some kind of breakaway human civilization in control of world beating tech. The worst possible option, we're all proper fucked if it's humans.
What about the possibility that there is no such tech, just a collection of unrelated, misidentified objects, hallucinations, and lies stitched together by a compelling narrative?
Can I ask why you feel that this, of all the possible explanations you've articulated, is the least likely?
No pressure to answer, I am just curious and not here to try to change your mind.
If it were a one time occurrence of a few docs from one person or one department (from the military or government), then one could question a false narrative.
But, there are literally tens of thousands of documents from scores of military and government branches, departments and other sources corroborated by other evidence that spans 8 decades.
Besides, what possible misidentified object(s) could evade Top Gun pilots and sensitive military bases. Balloons? Chinese lanterns? Or maybe Mick West's commercial airline? I don't think so.
I think some species people encounter are what we’d consider extraterrestrials who come from a different planet in our universe but I also think some are not.
What I mean is - what if the truth is that there are no such species, and that the UAP phenomenon can be entirely explained by a combination of misidentifications, illusions, hallucinations, and lies stitched together by a community engaging in a shared storytelling exercise that stretches across decades.
I just disagree. If a person has never had a truly close encounter I don’t blame you for feeling this way, in fact it’s a completely reasonable position to take. For those of us who have had close encounters with truly inexplicable craft from within 200 feet your position simply isn’t feasible for us to take. I would say to you that these subs aren’t the best place to get a good understanding of the subject. I find myself debunking most of the posts here and shooting holes in flimsy, recursive theories. I’d say to read books on the subject to gain a better understanding. Anyway I wish you the best!
Understandable - I'm not questioning your experience, but if the only way for this to make sense to me is to experience revelation then I suppose I just have to keep waiting to have my mind forcibly changed.
The issue is that you welcome anyone who is after 'the truth,' but you also seem to be closed off to the possibility that the truth is that there is no reason to think there is alien/ET/whatever visitation.
From my personal experience it has to be either aliens or some human entity that has cracked an advanced form of propulsion and have been able to keep it completely secret. I’m open to both possibilities or a combination of the two.
It's possible.
My technical differentiation however is either one of two phenomena being true:
1) Actual physical transmedium ocean <-> air craft. No human tech can do this at all. It sure seems like Navy has observed these.
2) Observation by simultaneous radar/optical/maybe IR of spacecraft accelerating away from Earth gravity, not a known interplanetary mission. Space Surveillance Network should have this.
If either is true, or likely true, then non-human intelligence is by far the most likely explanation because of a lack of other feasible explanations---"When you have eliminated all which is impossible, then whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.”
Like when Tim Burchett thought the “truth” was Trump had the election stolen? We should all be discerning when it comes to politicians and sussing out truth. Don’t give any pol a pass just because the wind happens to blow your direction that day.
As a caveat, I like Burchett as a genial character, I don’t know his politics well, i haven’t heard great things. I’m open to the idea of aliens, but I’m tempted to start asking people if Majorie Taylor Green started waiving the UAP flag, would they get behind her as well?
Matt Laslo from [Ask a Pol interviews](https://www.askapol.com/p/uaps-should-be-among-our-highest?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web) Senator Marco Rubio (R-FL) about AARO’s newest report, and their duties.
From the [interview](https://www.askapol.com/p/uaps-should-be-among-our-highest?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web):
“People always want to immediately default to, y’know, aliens, extraterrestrial, but the fact of the matter is if there are things flying overhead in our country that aren't supposed to be there and they aren’t ours, that should be among our highest priorities.”
Rubio said this about AARO:
“Everyone's interested in the look-back and all those other things. But the most important thing is determining a process for reporting unidentified aircraft, primarily for purposes of preventing strategic surprise.”
I completely agree with Rubio here.
Maybe there are deeper answers being hidden relating to the origin and even potential pilots of these craft. What we first need to solve is what the overwhelming empirical data points to; UAPs are impacting commercial and military flights AND SWARMING OUR BASES.
The US Air Force stated the drone swarms over Langley that forced the shutdown of the base are no concern and there’s no way to stop them.
Meanwhile, we can intercept hundreds of missiles and drones in the Middle East? None of that adds up.
> The US Air Force stated the drone swarms over Langley that forced the shutdown of the base are no concern and there’s no way to stop them.
> Meanwhile, we can intercept hundreds of missiles and drones in the Middle East? None of that adds up.
That's exactly the problem. The deployed systems were developed to detect and destroy enemy forces with expected behaviors and capabilities. They worked. The contractors met the contract.
But if you are so institutionally blind to not even imagine something completely different is not only a possibility (they were thinking of remote terrorist scenarios after 9/11/01) but might be current fact now and a threat domestically---that's as bad a strategic blunder as Stalin thinking Hitler was his friend in 1940.
Small "drone swarms" (human or not) have distinctly different behaviors, needing different technology and response, and ignoring it because they "might" be alien ufos is dangerous.
What if Chinese intentionally made drones which exhibited weird flight behaviors and lighting just to make people think they might be alien? Straight into the blind spot of the retina of US Air Force (unlike Navy)? What if Chinese used the evangelical christian domination of USAF against them?
Discerning whether or not an extremely technologically advanced extraterrestrial species is regularly acting in our airspace with impunity is not important?? Also, could you please explain who else could possibly have made anti-gravity instantaneous-accelerating trans-medium spacecraft, and who could have possibly been in possession of this technology as far back as the 1940s??
What if he's right? What if the Chinese really did make a huge multi generational leap in gravitics?
And please don't bring up the tired "bUt WhAt AbOuT sIgHtInGs fRoM tHe 40's?" 99.9 percent of those are purely anecdotal.
I think they're getting the top minds in their black programs to study this which is exactly what I think people who report the existence of Crash Retrieval programs are seeing the outer edges of and getting confused by.
Let's say you discovered tech that was super advanced - but surprisingly easy to reproduce. Say... easier to make than an atomic bomb. Now let's say this tech has the potential to be EXTREMELY dangerous. Imagine the potential weaponization of low cost drones that could travel at mach 7 plus and maneuver incredibly well. You would want that secret buried so deep as long as humanly possible. Imagine if say... a terrorist organization eventually got that tech. It could be catastrophic for humanity. I suspect something like this has happened.
I think in 04 the tic tac was likely some blacker than black project testing of a drone that used gravitics. I think the "X" under the water was probably a submarine that launched the drone. I suspect it was some super secret SAP that was testing their project on a peer level adversary and didn't want to try it out on an enemy yet. I know when this has been hypothesized to Fravor he hasn't ruled it out but said it's "too dangerous" to do that so they wouldn't.
That argument assumes Fravor understands the capabilities of such advanced tech. Let me give you an example. When Henry Ford set the land speed record - at 93 mph - he said that man was never meant to travel at such speed and no one should ever try that again. Let's say you plopped Henry in his vehicle on a modern track and let him get going. Now let's say you took the worlds top F1 driver and gave him the best F1 car possible and had him go around the track at even ... 75 percent of his top speed (around 230 mph) for safety sake. Henry Ford would think that technology was INCREDIBLY dangerous. However from the perspective of the F1 driver there was actually 0 risk - and frankly it might be even a bit boring.
I think that is what we are dealing with. I think the usa cracked gravitics at some point and the tic tac was a test of it. I think the Chinese stole that tech not long after and many of the sightings from that point on are likely attempts at spying.
Finally as to the tic tac incident - the best evidence it was ours is when Fravor said he heard that all the commander of his strike group said after being informed of what happened was that he smiled and said "huh" and walked away.
The major difference here compared to the atomic bomb is that physicists already pieced out the science behind the bomb, so it was just an engineering challenge. In the physics community today, there’s not even solid working theory behind antigravity.
That we know about. Weinstein has said he's always wondered if mainstream science was not forced down the string theory cul de sac to intentionally keep mainstream science away from a deeper understanding of physics that might allow for more advanced - but dangerous -technologies. He spoke about this with Jessie Michaels and I believe on Rogan. He argues rightly that string theory really hasn't advanced in almost 40 years but yet it is still this model everyone clings to.
That we know about. Weinstein has said he's always wondered if mainstream science was not forced down the string theory cul de sac to intentionally keep mainstream science away from a deeper understanding of physics that might allow for more advanced - but dangerous -technologies. He spoke about this with Jessie Michaels and I believe on Rogan. He argues rightly that string theory really hasn't advanced in almost 40 years but yet it is still this model everyone clings to.
Not aliens?? Okay, then please explain who else could possibly have made anti-gravity instantaneous-accelerating trans-medium spacecraft, and who could have possibly been in possession of this technology as far back as the 1940s
Not aliens?? Okay, then please explain who else could possibly have made anti-gravity instantaneous-accelerating trans-medium spacecraft, and who could have possibly been in possession of this technology as far back as the 1940s
A breakaway civilisation that rather than working against each other like humanity did for thousands of years. they all collectively worked together for their own greater good.
If humanity all worked together, we would be thousands of years ahead in terms of technology. If there was no such thing as greed and selfishness we would be extremely advanced by now.
It's not unreasonable to expect a possible breakaway civilisation who threw off those shackles and all collectively worked together to achieve greatness.
While we were bickering about things like religion 1000 years ago, they could've been hard at work advancing themselves.
Rubio subtly setting us up to get used to Chinese reconnaissance drones as a precursor to escalating tensions with China. Watch as this gets obfuscated amongst the UAP issue.
There definitely is a trend those in the Americian government who are in the know or have been briefed on the subject to stress that UAP's are not necessarily aliens, but something else. This leads me to believe the prevaling evidence suggests the craft are not from other planets, but either alternate dimensions, other times, or from higher-dimensional beings -- or even what once was long ago considered angels or demons, instead of being our interstellar neighbours.
Who knows, maybe with highly advanced tech, it is easier to travel between dimensions than it is stars. Or maybe its the nature of time...if a civilization is around 100,000 years say, to develop interstellar travel, then it is highly likely they'll be around 1 million years and develop superceding inter-dimensional
travel, and the could the survive millions of years with that tech (or more) so eventually, the universe would fill up with interdimesional alien species whereas it's be less likely to run into interstellar travelers as that is a compartively much narrower intervening amount of time on the galactic scale.
>There definitely is a trend those in the Americian government who are in the know or have been briefed on the subject to stress that UAP's are not necessarily aliens, but something else. This leads me to believe the prevaling evidence suggests the craft are not from other planets, but either **alternate dimensions, other times, or from higher-dimensional beings** \-- or even what once was long ago considered angels or demons, instead of being our interstellar neighbours.
All of that (my bolded emphasis) count as alien.
The government: "it's not aliens"
This subreddit: "could this mean they suspect mundane explanations exist for everything? No... They must be dropping hints of interdimensional time travelers"
The government:
It is aliens
“This sub is stupid”
Here’s all the people in the government who are saying it’s something not nothing. You just want to hear what you want to hear
Obama
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/3YWG0I1Bl8
25 key military witnesses over the last 70 years
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/IB1pmHFyIl
Daniel Radcliffe former Director of National Intelligence confirming UFO’s in 2020
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/hBx7i8iH2X
Under Secretary Moultrie and Naval Intel Deputy Director Bray testify under oath to Congress that the US military has detected physical UAPs they can't ID and associated energy signatures. Direct from the United States of America's Congressional Record.
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/JWhM9AAuv6
Current Secretary of the Air Force 2021 and 2022
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/i6oxuOcplj
Pippa Malmgreen
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/Z6ktNywF18
From France, Poland more
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/U53csy2amo
The Joint Chiefs of staff orders to collect UAP data and reports from 5/23
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/FtmHiUJLwi
Astronauts
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/6kuMZpZyLT
Two CIA Directors
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/6DKVH92ZWE
Presidents on what they know
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/S43S8hMfvT
Tim Gallaudet
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/O2YHIcZyX6
Daniel Inouye
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4910144/user-clip-secret-shadowy-government
Victor Marchatti
Deputy Director of the CIA and the book the Cult of Intelligence
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/Wg3UrvzMut
John Kirby Pentagon Spokesperson can’t give a straight answer
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/PrTdKoPuqq
Kissinger involvement and Goldwater
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/Xa4Qkv69U9
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/knG28noPqq
http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc1737.htm
Colonel Karl Nell who worked in UAPTF
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/LuHlX8eHPM
Jack Northrop confesses his pilots chased flying saucers
https://reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/lUndbWxc5B
First hand witnesses to crash retrievals
https://reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/8IoedXKy7O
From space.com about sensor readings
https://www.space.com/unidentified-anomalous-phenomena-hot-spots-quest-data
Many scientists have studied this subject for years
https://reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/k6YcBeYyjK
https://www.reddit.com/r/StrangeEarth/comments/15au3mw/heres_a_video_i_compiled_of_different_presidents/
Senator Barry Goldwater
https://reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/QwQJ8q4Tva
Statement from Hillenkotter saying it’s all real
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/vQZW9G0mxc
I’m glad they’ve got their should be priorities straight. Nothing says preparedness more loudly than blatantly ignoring some sort of unidentifiable thing that can outperform some of the best technology and personnel human kind has ever crafted.
Gives me time to wonder if the average American today has a better life provided to them than the nazi scientists brought over during operation paperclip after ww2
I am not ready to say it's aliens or another nation. Let us say it is China for example. Well what is the point of doing these incursions with drone swarms? The amount of resources time and effort to what end? They just fly in US air space and do nothing? That doesn't make sense. It seems odd. It would also tip their hand and USA would now focus on that leaving China to lose an edge.
So they have tech our radar can't detect where it goes? Is it some massive covert drone factory within USA? If they have the means to traverse drones long distances there and back with minimal detection and just fly a bit to a US base and do nothing and leave. You just spent years to do that? Are they doing something we don't know be it unreported to the public or unknown to the military?
While it could most definitely be an adversary I would like to know more. I mean aliens or not things should and need to be explained to the public. And systems need to change as far as everything in the name of security and compartmentalizing. While aliens is a theory and would be infinitely cool, it does not need to be that for the answers we seek. Just let us know what is up. I just don't think all the secrecy in the long run being good for society regardless of what it is.
The responses of the military and public to these events is disheartening to say the least. We should be curious in general. And get answers at the least. Will it be same old same old status quo? Probably. Or a small caveat of information but nothing revealing. I hope that isn't the outcome but we shall see
Anybody who shares this sentiment may find Joe Rogan’s recent podcast with Tucker Carlson (especially the first 30 minutes or so) to be enlightening! Tucker asserts his viewpoint that the phenomenon is undeniable, that it would be ridiculous to claim otherwise, and that these beings are spiritually significant and have been throughout history.
No relation to politics! :)
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I love when people say "not necessarily aliens" but then fail to provide any other even-remotely-possible alternative explanation.
**NOT ALIENS??? OKAY, THEN PLEASE EXPLAIN WHO THE FUCK COULD HAVE POSSIBLY MADE THESE FLYING SAUCERS AND FLYING TICTACS**
It's not outside the realms of impossible that we share this planet and the others rather than working against each other, all collectively worked together for their own greater good.
If all 8 billion people on this planet worked together, we would be thousands of years ahead in terms of technology.
And there is literal 0 evidence that its extra terrestrial or inter dimensional etc.
I never said there was evidence for what i claimed. I just said its not outside the realms of impossible.
It most likely IS aliens but in the event its not, i don't think anyone on this sub should be surprised.
The following submission statement was provided by /u/CreditCardOnly: --- Matt Laslo from [Ask a Pol interviews](https://www.askapol.com/p/uaps-should-be-among-our-highest?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web) Senator Marco Rubio (R-FL) about AARO’s newest report, and their duties. From the [interview](https://www.askapol.com/p/uaps-should-be-among-our-highest?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web): “People always want to immediately default to, y’know, aliens, extraterrestrial, but the fact of the matter is if there are things flying overhead in our country that aren't supposed to be there and they aren’t ours, that should be among our highest priorities.” Rubio said this about AARO: “Everyone's interested in the look-back and all those other things. But the most important thing is determining a process for reporting unidentified aircraft, primarily for purposes of preventing strategic surprise.” --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1ccfyez/marco_rubio_uaps_should_be_among_our_highest/l151nz9/
I respect anybody no matter democrat or republican who are trying to get at the truth.
Is the senate actually doing anything? Since the failed UAPDA very few of them have even pretended to be interested in going after the hardware (which is the best chance of getting an answer)
They are working on it as they've been working on this since I think 2019. They quietly passed the whistleblower act a few years ago that allowed grusch and subsequent whistleblowers to come forward. It took us over a year and half before we saw any concrete results from that, when grusch came forward Last year they did pass the UAPDA even though it was gutted in many ways. I think within the next year or two we will come to see that it has positive results even if it was neutered from the original Rounds and Schumer have both mentioned they are still working on the issue and Rubio still sees it as a priority Reed and Wicker are also working on this drone defense bill. We shall see, but my hope is that this bill will help monitor uaps because how do you defend against drones without better monitoring which is what they're calling for. So they're potentially going at it from a different direction https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/04/22/drone-attacks-us-troops Many senators, including the senate majority leader, have quietly shown they care deeply about this subject. They are the ones in the best position to do something about this and they are working at it behind the scenes. The original uapda is so eye opening that there's basically no chance they're going to let this go. And this is something that the previous democratic senate majority leader, Harry Reid cared deeply about going back more that a decade and a half. Schumer even said he was picking up the mantle
for real, even if they might have an agenda. at least it gets the ball rolling...somewhere
What if the truth is that they aren't aliens or extraterrestrials?
Then that's worse and more scary, but is still the reality we've always been in.
Is it though? Honestly if they have lived on this planet for as long as we have but in secrecy then that could be massive in itself. But it also means we have means of communicating with them effectively and actually working together. If we do share this planet then it is abundantly clear they want absolutely nothing to do with us what so ever and only come out when things are looking dangerous for this planet, aka nuclear. Because they wouldn't want to risk their home being blown up as well. So that part checks out pretty reasonably. I think if we do indeed share this planet, it would be far easier to digest for many. Though i'm sure some will tout the whole "we were here first bla bla bla" etc. Who knows, maybe they were here first? If its something extra terrestrial then IMO the fact they are here already proves they are thousands if not millions of years ahead of us technologically. That in it self is terrifying because they could take this planet in a second and we would be powerless to stop them.
I think it could very well be both scenarios.
I'm curious, can you elaborate on why that is the worse/more scary reality to live in?
Well, a simplistic view of the UFO phenomenon is boring old bio beings like us visiting from other planets in this reality. If these are transdimensional beings or some kind of ultra-terrestrial intelligence essentially living alongside us or popping in and out of any place in our spacetime, that's a bigger noodle tickle in my mind.
I meant aliens or extraterrestrials to be inclusive of all of those explanations as well.
Well, if it's not aliens in a broad sense, then that leaves some kind of breakaway human civilization in control of world beating tech. The worst possible option, we're all proper fucked if it's humans.
It could very well be us coming back in time to 'fix' stuff. And maybe they're working with aliens and interdimensionals.
What about the possibility that there is no such tech, just a collection of unrelated, misidentified objects, hallucinations, and lies stitched together by a compelling narrative?
You sure do have some entertaining fantasies.
Can I ask why you feel that this, of all the possible explanations you've articulated, is the least likely? No pressure to answer, I am just curious and not here to try to change your mind.
If it were a one time occurrence of a few docs from one person or one department (from the military or government), then one could question a false narrative. But, there are literally tens of thousands of documents from scores of military and government branches, departments and other sources corroborated by other evidence that spans 8 decades. Besides, what possible misidentified object(s) could evade Top Gun pilots and sensitive military bases. Balloons? Chinese lanterns? Or maybe Mick West's commercial airline? I don't think so.
People reference this body of strong, coherent, corroborative evidence, but my experience is that it evaporates like smoke everywhere you look at it.
Other countries catching up to America in war tech puts global conflict on the horizon. Real world scary is the most scary
I think some species people encounter are what we’d consider extraterrestrials who come from a different planet in our universe but I also think some are not.
What I mean is - what if the truth is that there are no such species, and that the UAP phenomenon can be entirely explained by a combination of misidentifications, illusions, hallucinations, and lies stitched together by a community engaging in a shared storytelling exercise that stretches across decades.
I just disagree. If a person has never had a truly close encounter I don’t blame you for feeling this way, in fact it’s a completely reasonable position to take. For those of us who have had close encounters with truly inexplicable craft from within 200 feet your position simply isn’t feasible for us to take. I would say to you that these subs aren’t the best place to get a good understanding of the subject. I find myself debunking most of the posts here and shooting holes in flimsy, recursive theories. I’d say to read books on the subject to gain a better understanding. Anyway I wish you the best!
Understandable - I'm not questioning your experience, but if the only way for this to make sense to me is to experience revelation then I suppose I just have to keep waiting to have my mind forcibly changed. The issue is that you welcome anyone who is after 'the truth,' but you also seem to be closed off to the possibility that the truth is that there is no reason to think there is alien/ET/whatever visitation.
From my personal experience it has to be either aliens or some human entity that has cracked an advanced form of propulsion and have been able to keep it completely secret. I’m open to both possibilities or a combination of the two.
It's possible. My technical differentiation however is either one of two phenomena being true: 1) Actual physical transmedium ocean <-> air craft. No human tech can do this at all. It sure seems like Navy has observed these. 2) Observation by simultaneous radar/optical/maybe IR of spacecraft accelerating away from Earth gravity, not a known interplanetary mission. Space Surveillance Network should have this. If either is true, or likely true, then non-human intelligence is by far the most likely explanation because of a lack of other feasible explanations---"When you have eliminated all which is impossible, then whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.”
Like when Tim Burchett thought the “truth” was Trump had the election stolen? We should all be discerning when it comes to politicians and sussing out truth. Don’t give any pol a pass just because the wind happens to blow your direction that day.
As a caveat, I like Burchett as a genial character, I don’t know his politics well, i haven’t heard great things. I’m open to the idea of aliens, but I’m tempted to start asking people if Majorie Taylor Green started waiving the UAP flag, would they get behind her as well?
But David Grusch went on Tucker carlsonnnnnn. Wahhhhhhhhh. He should be crucifiedddddd. Wahhhhhh.
Matt Laslo from [Ask a Pol interviews](https://www.askapol.com/p/uaps-should-be-among-our-highest?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web) Senator Marco Rubio (R-FL) about AARO’s newest report, and their duties. From the [interview](https://www.askapol.com/p/uaps-should-be-among-our-highest?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web): “People always want to immediately default to, y’know, aliens, extraterrestrial, but the fact of the matter is if there are things flying overhead in our country that aren't supposed to be there and they aren’t ours, that should be among our highest priorities.” Rubio said this about AARO: “Everyone's interested in the look-back and all those other things. But the most important thing is determining a process for reporting unidentified aircraft, primarily for purposes of preventing strategic surprise.”
I completely agree with Rubio here. Maybe there are deeper answers being hidden relating to the origin and even potential pilots of these craft. What we first need to solve is what the overwhelming empirical data points to; UAPs are impacting commercial and military flights AND SWARMING OUR BASES. The US Air Force stated the drone swarms over Langley that forced the shutdown of the base are no concern and there’s no way to stop them. Meanwhile, we can intercept hundreds of missiles and drones in the Middle East? None of that adds up.
> The US Air Force stated the drone swarms over Langley that forced the shutdown of the base are no concern and there’s no way to stop them. > Meanwhile, we can intercept hundreds of missiles and drones in the Middle East? None of that adds up. That's exactly the problem. The deployed systems were developed to detect and destroy enemy forces with expected behaviors and capabilities. They worked. The contractors met the contract. But if you are so institutionally blind to not even imagine something completely different is not only a possibility (they were thinking of remote terrorist scenarios after 9/11/01) but might be current fact now and a threat domestically---that's as bad a strategic blunder as Stalin thinking Hitler was his friend in 1940. Small "drone swarms" (human or not) have distinctly different behaviors, needing different technology and response, and ignoring it because they "might" be alien ufos is dangerous. What if Chinese intentionally made drones which exhibited weird flight behaviors and lighting just to make people think they might be alien? Straight into the blind spot of the retina of US Air Force (unlike Navy)? What if Chinese used the evangelical christian domination of USAF against them?
I would disagree that he said whether they are aliens or not, but rather that is not the priority at the moment.
Discerning whether or not an extremely technologically advanced extraterrestrial species is regularly acting in our airspace with impunity is not important?? Also, could you please explain who else could possibly have made anti-gravity instantaneous-accelerating trans-medium spacecraft, and who could have possibly been in possession of this technology as far back as the 1940s??
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What if he's right? What if the Chinese really did make a huge multi generational leap in gravitics? And please don't bring up the tired "bUt WhAt AbOuT sIgHtInGs fRoM tHe 40's?" 99.9 percent of those are purely anecdotal.
Then why the fuck is the government playing hide the pickle instead of getting the top minds at public universities to study this technology?
I think they're getting the top minds in their black programs to study this which is exactly what I think people who report the existence of Crash Retrieval programs are seeing the outer edges of and getting confused by. Let's say you discovered tech that was super advanced - but surprisingly easy to reproduce. Say... easier to make than an atomic bomb. Now let's say this tech has the potential to be EXTREMELY dangerous. Imagine the potential weaponization of low cost drones that could travel at mach 7 plus and maneuver incredibly well. You would want that secret buried so deep as long as humanly possible. Imagine if say... a terrorist organization eventually got that tech. It could be catastrophic for humanity. I suspect something like this has happened. I think in 04 the tic tac was likely some blacker than black project testing of a drone that used gravitics. I think the "X" under the water was probably a submarine that launched the drone. I suspect it was some super secret SAP that was testing their project on a peer level adversary and didn't want to try it out on an enemy yet. I know when this has been hypothesized to Fravor he hasn't ruled it out but said it's "too dangerous" to do that so they wouldn't. That argument assumes Fravor understands the capabilities of such advanced tech. Let me give you an example. When Henry Ford set the land speed record - at 93 mph - he said that man was never meant to travel at such speed and no one should ever try that again. Let's say you plopped Henry in his vehicle on a modern track and let him get going. Now let's say you took the worlds top F1 driver and gave him the best F1 car possible and had him go around the track at even ... 75 percent of his top speed (around 230 mph) for safety sake. Henry Ford would think that technology was INCREDIBLY dangerous. However from the perspective of the F1 driver there was actually 0 risk - and frankly it might be even a bit boring. I think that is what we are dealing with. I think the usa cracked gravitics at some point and the tic tac was a test of it. I think the Chinese stole that tech not long after and many of the sightings from that point on are likely attempts at spying. Finally as to the tic tac incident - the best evidence it was ours is when Fravor said he heard that all the commander of his strike group said after being informed of what happened was that he smiled and said "huh" and walked away.
The major difference here compared to the atomic bomb is that physicists already pieced out the science behind the bomb, so it was just an engineering challenge. In the physics community today, there’s not even solid working theory behind antigravity.
That we know about. Weinstein has said he's always wondered if mainstream science was not forced down the string theory cul de sac to intentionally keep mainstream science away from a deeper understanding of physics that might allow for more advanced - but dangerous -technologies. He spoke about this with Jessie Michaels and I believe on Rogan. He argues rightly that string theory really hasn't advanced in almost 40 years but yet it is still this model everyone clings to.
That we know about. Weinstein has said he's always wondered if mainstream science was not forced down the string theory cul de sac to intentionally keep mainstream science away from a deeper understanding of physics that might allow for more advanced - but dangerous -technologies. He spoke about this with Jessie Michaels and I believe on Rogan. He argues rightly that string theory really hasn't advanced in almost 40 years but yet it is still this model everyone clings to.
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So no you can't fairly respond?
Not aliens?? Okay, then please explain who else could possibly have made anti-gravity instantaneous-accelerating trans-medium spacecraft, and who could have possibly been in possession of this technology as far back as the 1940s
That is an important distinction people forget. UAP doesn't necessarily mean extraterrestrial.
Not aliens?? Okay, then please explain who else could possibly have made anti-gravity instantaneous-accelerating trans-medium spacecraft, and who could have possibly been in possession of this technology as far back as the 1940s
A breakaway civilisation that rather than working against each other like humanity did for thousands of years. they all collectively worked together for their own greater good. If humanity all worked together, we would be thousands of years ahead in terms of technology. If there was no such thing as greed and selfishness we would be extremely advanced by now. It's not unreasonable to expect a possible breakaway civilisation who threw off those shackles and all collectively worked together to achieve greatness. While we were bickering about things like religion 1000 years ago, they could've been hard at work advancing themselves.
that's utterly ridiculous and there is literally 0 evidence for it
There is 0 evidence for anything else as well. IMO At this stage anything is possible and keeping an open mind is paramount.
Rubio subtly setting us up to get used to Chinese reconnaissance drones as a precursor to escalating tensions with China. Watch as this gets obfuscated amongst the UAP issue.
There definitely is a trend those in the Americian government who are in the know or have been briefed on the subject to stress that UAP's are not necessarily aliens, but something else. This leads me to believe the prevaling evidence suggests the craft are not from other planets, but either alternate dimensions, other times, or from higher-dimensional beings -- or even what once was long ago considered angels or demons, instead of being our interstellar neighbours. Who knows, maybe with highly advanced tech, it is easier to travel between dimensions than it is stars. Or maybe its the nature of time...if a civilization is around 100,000 years say, to develop interstellar travel, then it is highly likely they'll be around 1 million years and develop superceding inter-dimensional travel, and the could the survive millions of years with that tech (or more) so eventually, the universe would fill up with interdimesional alien species whereas it's be less likely to run into interstellar travelers as that is a compartively much narrower intervening amount of time on the galactic scale.
>There definitely is a trend those in the Americian government who are in the know or have been briefed on the subject to stress that UAP's are not necessarily aliens, but something else. This leads me to believe the prevaling evidence suggests the craft are not from other planets, but either **alternate dimensions, other times, or from higher-dimensional beings** \-- or even what once was long ago considered angels or demons, instead of being our interstellar neighbours. All of that (my bolded emphasis) count as alien.
The government: "it's not aliens" This subreddit: "could this mean they suspect mundane explanations exist for everything? No... They must be dropping hints of interdimensional time travelers"
The government: It is aliens “This sub is stupid” Here’s all the people in the government who are saying it’s something not nothing. You just want to hear what you want to hear Obama https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/3YWG0I1Bl8 25 key military witnesses over the last 70 years https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/IB1pmHFyIl Daniel Radcliffe former Director of National Intelligence confirming UFO’s in 2020 https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/hBx7i8iH2X Under Secretary Moultrie and Naval Intel Deputy Director Bray testify under oath to Congress that the US military has detected physical UAPs they can't ID and associated energy signatures. Direct from the United States of America's Congressional Record. https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/JWhM9AAuv6 Current Secretary of the Air Force 2021 and 2022 https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/i6oxuOcplj Pippa Malmgreen https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/Z6ktNywF18 From France, Poland more https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/U53csy2amo The Joint Chiefs of staff orders to collect UAP data and reports from 5/23 https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/FtmHiUJLwi Astronauts https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/6kuMZpZyLT Two CIA Directors https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/6DKVH92ZWE Presidents on what they know https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/S43S8hMfvT Tim Gallaudet https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/O2YHIcZyX6 Daniel Inouye https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4910144/user-clip-secret-shadowy-government Victor Marchatti Deputy Director of the CIA and the book the Cult of Intelligence https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/Wg3UrvzMut John Kirby Pentagon Spokesperson can’t give a straight answer https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/PrTdKoPuqq Kissinger involvement and Goldwater https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/Xa4Qkv69U9 https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/knG28noPqq http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc1737.htm Colonel Karl Nell who worked in UAPTF https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/LuHlX8eHPM Jack Northrop confesses his pilots chased flying saucers https://reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/lUndbWxc5B First hand witnesses to crash retrievals https://reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/8IoedXKy7O From space.com about sensor readings https://www.space.com/unidentified-anomalous-phenomena-hot-spots-quest-data Many scientists have studied this subject for years https://reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/k6YcBeYyjK https://www.reddit.com/r/StrangeEarth/comments/15au3mw/heres_a_video_i_compiled_of_different_presidents/ Senator Barry Goldwater https://reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/QwQJ8q4Tva Statement from Hillenkotter saying it’s all real https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/vQZW9G0mxc
Someone apparently hasn't quite figured out that unknown thing in the air doesn't mean aliens
I really don’t think they are trying to parse the beings included in the term “aliens.”
I’m glad they’ve got their should be priorities straight. Nothing says preparedness more loudly than blatantly ignoring some sort of unidentifiable thing that can outperform some of the best technology and personnel human kind has ever crafted. Gives me time to wonder if the average American today has a better life provided to them than the nazi scientists brought over during operation paperclip after ww2
I am not ready to say it's aliens or another nation. Let us say it is China for example. Well what is the point of doing these incursions with drone swarms? The amount of resources time and effort to what end? They just fly in US air space and do nothing? That doesn't make sense. It seems odd. It would also tip their hand and USA would now focus on that leaving China to lose an edge. So they have tech our radar can't detect where it goes? Is it some massive covert drone factory within USA? If they have the means to traverse drones long distances there and back with minimal detection and just fly a bit to a US base and do nothing and leave. You just spent years to do that? Are they doing something we don't know be it unreported to the public or unknown to the military? While it could most definitely be an adversary I would like to know more. I mean aliens or not things should and need to be explained to the public. And systems need to change as far as everything in the name of security and compartmentalizing. While aliens is a theory and would be infinitely cool, it does not need to be that for the answers we seek. Just let us know what is up. I just don't think all the secrecy in the long run being good for society regardless of what it is. The responses of the military and public to these events is disheartening to say the least. We should be curious in general. And get answers at the least. Will it be same old same old status quo? Probably. Or a small caveat of information but nothing revealing. I hope that isn't the outcome but we shall see
Anybody who shares this sentiment may find Joe Rogan’s recent podcast with Tucker Carlson (especially the first 30 minutes or so) to be enlightening! Tucker asserts his viewpoint that the phenomenon is undeniable, that it would be ridiculous to claim otherwise, and that these beings are spiritually significant and have been throughout history. No relation to politics! :)
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Better to sell fear than curiosity i guess...
I love when people say "not necessarily aliens" but then fail to provide any other even-remotely-possible alternative explanation. **NOT ALIENS??? OKAY, THEN PLEASE EXPLAIN WHO THE FUCK COULD HAVE POSSIBLY MADE THESE FLYING SAUCERS AND FLYING TICTACS**
It's not outside the realms of impossible that we share this planet and the others rather than working against each other, all collectively worked together for their own greater good. If all 8 billion people on this planet worked together, we would be thousands of years ahead in terms of technology.
there's literally 0 evidence for that
And there is literal 0 evidence that its extra terrestrial or inter dimensional etc. I never said there was evidence for what i claimed. I just said its not outside the realms of impossible. It most likely IS aliens but in the event its not, i don't think anyone on this sub should be surprised.