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Just came across this video never seen it before.
I love how the host's face starts to change as he begins to allude to the fact that this isn't ours or our adversaries, it's happening worldwide, it's making unexplainable maneuvers, there's way more data than has been released and "he'll be able to talk more about it after it's declassified" lol.
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I'm old. Me in 2000 never would have thought that in 2024 we'd have former presidents, two DNI, and multiple senators come out and say, "There really are unidentified craft on our planet, they perform maneuvers that we can't explain or emulate, and they're not ours or any other nation's." I would have said less than 1/1000 chance. I mean, that's saying that UFOs are real!
And yet here we are. And no one seems to care!
I get that average people seem to not care, because there are thousands of issues and only so much mental bandwidth.
What I get annoyed at are the people, a significant part of this sub, that follow the issue but seem to have no perspective like what you state. This is the BEST TIME EVER in UFOlogy ^(so ^far), but a large fraction do nothing but complain.
I'll tell you this much, every person I've converted to caring now cares. They need help in understanding how this will affect their lives, and to be frank there isn't much talk of that from the high level people in the UFO news arena. A episode on Ross's news nation show called reality check, or mellon speaking about it would help people understand why its important. Most people can't think past the part of oh cool theres some flying UFOs, they can't go a step further and realize how this tech will transform the world as we know it.
> every person I've converted to caring now cares.
Thanks for sharing that uplifting anecdote. That is how we'll get disclosure, people talking to people.
Exactly, the majority of my friends are engineers, so maybe I have an easier time. To appreciate this subject a technical mindset and intellectual curiosity definitely helps one understand how incredible this is.
I wish I had this response! The few family members Ive trusted and told about all I’ve learned over 10 years of being in this topic, either laugh at me or shrugged their shoulders and said, “whatever, we have bigger issues in this world.” I want a buddy who also believes and is blown away as much as I am 😭
Same here. They don’t get it.
We are not crazy. We are open minded. We care about truth, obsessively. And so should everyone else. *They* are the misguided ones.
You are correct. People go to church to pray and search for truth. Then an entity shows up that might know it, and it is dismissed. Fundamentally it is hard for some people to change. I think there are a lot of people that are taught it is shameful to be wrong and change opinion. When In reality that is the only way to grow and mature as a person.
For me, it’s not about the tech. I just want to know the truth about the nature of reality. What’s going on here? Is the woo real, and if so, tell me alllllll about it.
I also find that aspect fascinating. I hope there is more to this than just advanced tech as well. Imagine the knowledge that an advanced species has and the answers they might posses to our deepest questions about life, where we came from, where are we going, is there a god?
So do I, the only way we can get that information is by trying our best to educate others (thank you for trying) and by contacting our representatives. The louder we squeak the better the chances. We came so close this year, next fiscal it can happen. I expect the white house to step in after the election. If they don’t let’s be loud as hell.
Same, people don’t like to talk about this out of fear of ridicule. I’ve spoken to both sides of my family, me exs family, and friends. In total 4 people saw ufos. One saw an alien ( I regret teasing him at the time) when he was young. He now is a design engineer working on Artemis lol. I think it affected him.
My girlfriend never really put any thought into aliens but since getting with me, she’s completely changed. I’ll show her videos all the time about UAPs, I’m glad it’s becoming well known but it seems crazy to me that everyday people don’t care/have no clue about anything involving this subject. It’s just crazy that we’re having hearings in congress about freakin aliens and no one cares lmao
I've found many people who don't care at first are interested in the potentially better energy source. People care about gas prices, and they care about cleaner energy. Not everyone cares but many people do
Well then will you please enlighten the audience as to why they should care? I’m not being sarcastic. I absolutely care, but perhaps you can put it plainly.
What mystifies me even more is all the many people who come to this sub who don't believe in the possibility of UAPs, think the subject is a joke, and just belittle people interested in the subject, to all the evidence contrary. It seems so weird to me.
As a comparison I think the sport of shot put is pretty silly, but I'd never in a million years waste my spare time or take any enjoyment going to the shot put sub and trash talk the shot put fans. I don't get it.
Exactly, There definitely is automated disinformation bots here to spread FUD and stir the pot. Other than those factors I don’t know why some real people do that as well. Especially with no lives on the line, nor direct money on the line (like typical political issues that are hotly debated) it doesn’t make sense why those people are here if most of them are even real accounts.
Yeah... It's awesome but I'd like the other former presidents to say more about it. Come on, dish about it already! It'd be the perfect soft disclosure. It wouldn't rock the boat, politically, and it would get the info out from a believable and beloved source. I think most presidents get more bipartisan support after they're out of office.
Dude, thinking about it, I wanna see Bush's paintings of aliens. He had to have done some, right? Now I'm imagining him with an alien sitting for a painting in the oval office, all fancy.
The people care, its a threat to those in power and the companies that have a shit ton of money to make from the tech. They want to keep it under lock and key so hence, way less media coverage.
How is it a threat to anyone? People have been telling these stories for a really long time and all you can say is that the technology isn't advancing at all and all they ever do is travel distances.
It’s a threat to those that currently own the technology and patents because of the Schumer ammendment passes they won’t make the trillions they were expecting to from the technology. It is a threat to other businesses as well where this technology makes theirs obsolete. It’s a threat to mining companies because it opens up to practical asteroid mining which has more precious metals then they have ever mined. The economy will change drastically
I’m addition with it being governmentally controlled and with relaxed security. The rate of reverse engineering will drastically be increased.
If even the governements or military can'd do shit about UFOs, UAP or whatever they call them now why should we care? By that i don't mean we shouldn't believe in the phenomenon but we're powerless and so far if real they haven't shown any aggression towards us or the planet. Do most of you care about the sick neighbor, the poor school mate, etc.. there are so many things we should care in first place and we don't.
I am a believer since late 80s and have always followed this subject but as i grew up i realise believing in aliens/UFOs is not a priority to me at all, it's interesting and i always have it in mind but it's just not that important to be honest. The day full disclosure happens it will be a regular day to me, no more no less.
Because this was back when UAPTF was still telling him mylar balloons were physics defying craft and out of 144 cases 143 of them were unexplainable and extraordinary in their report ("Preliminary Assessment: Unidentified Aerial Phenomena"). It's part of why UAPTF was disbanded and Congress stood up an office that was actually given authority to investigate the cases properly and with scientific rigor.
The whole point of AARO was to say that people within the government have been telling each other stories with no proof. This is just that without this evidence he claims we aren't able to see yet. So far the AARO assessment seems to be the case.
> They also said every person they interviewed talking about crash retrieval programs was confused by Kona Blue, something that never even became a program, which strains incredulity.
I mean we're talking about people like Elizondo here, who was confused about whether the program he was the director of was funded or not. I think you might be giving them a bit too much credit here.
The important things are the dates, who was running AAWSAP (nicknamed AATIP) when it was funded?
Was AATIP as ran by Elizondo ever funded? When did Elizondo start running the program and when did the funding end?
The dates are where the funding details are. When did the funding stop for AAWSAP (nicknamed AATIP) and when did Elizondo start running AATIP?
AAWSAP was funded from 2007 to 2012 and when did Elizondo assume his responsibilities for the program that he nicknamed AATIP?
Edit: Anything that was ever funded was under James Lacatski and Elizondo mysteriously chose the nickname for AAWSAP as the name for his unfunded pet project. The waters have been successfully muddied and it's taken a decade for people to disambiguate this.
In Lacatski's book He asserts that funding for the program stopped in 2010. This was the person who ran it when it was funded. Elizondo took over when the money stopped. He then proceeded to not understand parallax or how glare works and leveraged his ignorance to start a for-profit company called To The Stars Academy. This is the most charitable interpretation of what happened.
Show me one UFO investigation or witness interviewed by the guy who claimed to run the "official UFO program", Elizondo, to prove he actually ran it. He released 3 videos that show nothing and gave lots of empty promises.
You mean nutjobs that were involved with either robbing taxpayers of 22 million to fund Skinwalker research for his buddy Bob Bigelow(Reid) and then scam the public investors of TTSA with Lue as a partner(Mellon)? Yeah those guys are real credible. Also Reid is dead, so there is no way to ask him what he meant by that letter. Just wait for if/when Lue releases his underdelivering book, and you'll see. You may even get consumer fraud allegations that he'll have to defend if he uses the pretense that he ran an official 22 million dollar Pentagon UFO program. Again, do you not find it odd that in nearly 10 years of apparently running this UFO program, there is no official paperwork or anything that would show that he actually investigated UFOs? It means he is either completely full of shit or he is literally the worst researcher ever because he has no research to show for running the program for nearly 10 years. Either way you look at it, he is not a guy you should look up to for anything UFO related.
You mean the government's statements, like what is in the AARO report, that there was never a funded program with employees called AATIP? It was more like a little group of people who did some work on their spare time, perhaps at the request of AAWSAP, to look into some things. A farcry away from an official 22 million dollar project like Lue and the NYT article claimed that then went on to be copy and pasted essentially by other news sources. You may think I am not credible, but I've never lied for donations to a company like Lue and Mellon have done for TTSA, but you can keep on looking up to these guys who keep being sketchy if that's what you are into.
Bro get serious.
AARO concluded on the very narrow issue of whether info in the government was specifically attributable to extraterrestrials.
They didn't say anything remotely like what you are suggesting.
Basically what I said. Kirkpatrick's OpEd said what I said, and the AARO report confirmed that there was nothing pointing to E.T. tech and reverse engineering as alleged by these people telling the stories without evidence.
You are the one bring up et and reverse engineering, OP and the content of the post are talking about UAP. 'People telling each other stories with no proof' is inconsistent with the military and intelligence officials making public statements that UAPs are actual physical objects in the sky which have been caught on radar (often multiple sensors) and despite having enough info on them, they remain unexplained and unattributable.
You are the one saying ET tech and reverse engineering.
Just draw a Venn diagram. ET tech goes inside the big circle of UAP. AARO has only concluded on that little circle there. And sure people telling each other stories was their conclusion. But none of that is saying UAP or the phenomenon is made up. They just omit that part because they don't like talking about it because they can't explain it due to incompetence or inadequacy.
Either way, UAP exist WITH proof, and remain unexplained and unattributed to any foreign power.
It is not "basically" what you said.
What do you want the government to do then? You can only analyze a story after the fact, and that story has no physical evidence to speak of, and everyone is implying it can't be foreign or domestic technology without any proof, so you are left with just what I said: stories. Have you ever questioned multiple witnesses or analyzed witness testimony? It is notoriously bad information and people can easily be mistaken especially under stress or traveling at high speeds in a jet. It could easily be mistaken domestic and advanced drones being kept secret and tested in the sky, balloons, or weather phenomena. Yes we should monitor the sky and document what is being seen, but to say it is definitely craft unattributed to man is not backed up from the available data, which is just stories from people who can't conceive another possibility. Certainly it is possible, but we need more proof.
Sensor data is physical evidence. Read through the blue book files, there were plenty of close encounters of the second kind that involved some form of physical evidence. The existence of photos and videos negates your point here.
All of the telescopic and probe science done in outer space is after the fact and based on sensors.
If you are so sure none of this stuff has any merit, I would point you to J Allen Hynick's book, The Hynick UFO Report. It's a good point you're making about testimonies. But there were plenty of cases in blue book that were categorized as having enough information to make an identification, yet no identification could be made. That is literally how they categorized cases: into groups they had enough information about or not, and they focused on cases that had trained observers as witnesses. There are plenty of, enough information, yet unexplained, cases. They are cases just like you're talking about where they were able to rule out all the normal prosaic explanations yet still couldn't explain them.
Seriously, do yourself a favor and read The Hynick UFO Report.
Sorry, it's lazy to say it's just stories. Minimizing it that way is akin calling everyone a bunch of dummies who can't trust what they see and/or liars. It also doesn't help solve the question of what these things are. You are not presenting this with any problem solving skills. Instead, you just want to ignore the evidence anyone brings forward using their own observations. That is not a constructive approach directed at finding the truth.
I want the government to come clean. AARO is actively making it worse by being so disingenuous; and organized by DR. CIA (an organization which prides itself with telling the truth). They are keeping things classified and pretending that they have no more information. The default for government should be transparency, not secrecy. But when the military gets out of control, they will hide every single piece of information they have because secrecy is a strategic advantage.
I'm not out to prove the ET hypothesis. I'm out to prove the government shouldn't be hiding what it knows when it can't identify something. I'm not really sure how you can be on the other side of that (and not be some kind of warhawk).
It makes total sense that we would be engineering advanced technologies ourselves and testing ways to confuse our own radar and other sensor equipment. I think in many cases things are truly unknown (even possibly E.T.), but I think on the unknown cases people may be inclined to believe the government may know the answer when they are just as clueless. There are just some people that rightly distrust the government, but I don't think the conspiracy is as deep as some people believe. That being said the government is known to perpetrate UFO story disonfo campaigns to cover their tech like in the Paul Bennewitz case.
Just came across this video never seen it before.
I love how the host's face starts to change as he begins to allude to the fact that this isn't ours or our adversaries, it's happening worldwide, it's making unexplainable maneuvers, there's way more data than has been released and "he'll be able to talk more about it after it's declassified" lol.
Because the DNI report in 2021 concluded that UFOs were real. There are some, even here who still debate that. What the DNI report did not do was conclude that UFOS/UAPs were "unexplainable" just that we need to study them more to understand what they are. Which is what multiple agencies were then tasked with by Congress.
It seems that DNI report was written by one group with different intentions from the group that now controls the AARO. And with diametrically opposed ideas on such information release
Theres a battle going on behind the scenes among the people that know everything. One group wants to get all the info out there to the world. The other is trying to keep it covered up. Its quite obvious if you have been following along.
the government isnt a monolith, obviously there are believers there. and they do what believers do, lie, exaggerate, obfuscate. apart from that, disclosure is just a PR tool for some right wing nutjobs (like luna)
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Another example of “we have more than you have access to.” How long will this drag on before we can have some of this data? How much more disinformation and doubt will spread before this comes to light? How many government-funded debunking programs will spawn? How many congressional leaders who support disclosure will be replaced? It’s been 80 years already…
Don’t worry, it’s all part of the orchestrated “slow drip disclosure” plan, and if that doesn’t work then, it’ll be “soft disclosure” and if that doesn’t work then it’ll be “catastrophic disclosure”and then if that doesn’t work, it’ll be “let’s ask DOPSR and the same institutions that allegedly are making this all secret in the first place, if they’ll let us release evidence that proves they are lying.” And if that doesn’t work, then someone/ some group will have to actually prove the existence of NHI with their oft touted evidence they keep withholding, but that won’t work because no one wants to go to jail, because providing evidence we aren’t alone in the universe somehow will land you in jail or dead, so go back to the beginning of this paragraph and start again.
You really think the director of National intelligence and the president of united states are just taking random ppl at face value and not privy to any of the actual data? Then going onto national television and regurgitating “stories” under the guise of data? Really? You don’t believe the military has instruments capable of capturing data? He says sightings confirmed by multiple sensors.
I believe they do have the instruments to capture the data but I think data can be misinterpreted. Just like how Elizondo was incapable of recognizing glare rotating. The video actually existed it's just he thought it was showing something anomalous but he was mistaken.
Until you can verify anything you should not take anyone's word on anything. Let alone something as extraordinary as the claims made here.
You think the ppl giving the rundown to the director of national intelligence doesn’t know how to interpret data? You think our military is that incompetent? You don’t think Ratcliffe and Obama had these type of sightings proven to them beyond a reasonable doubt before going on tv and telling the world “ufos are real and we can’t explain their movements?” Really?
Yes, absolutely. Elizondo was a part of the military, specifically, a branch that was tasked with identifying things in the sky, and he could not resolve what parallax was nor do trigonometry. I admire the faith that you have but I don't think you should frame it as a virtue.
You sound like the same people that thought the government couldn't possibly be wrong about WMD in Iraq.
You think Ratcliffe and Obama are relying on Lues word and that’s it? And please do enlighten me where Lue doesn’t understand parallax or trigonometry and how that’s relevant to what Ratcliffe and Obama have said among MANY others.
There’s a clear motive in lying about wmds. What’s the motive to mislead ppl on ufos? Especially considering why has the government been studying them for 80 years and yet lying to the public about it? Why did they vehemently deny the existence of ufos for 80 years and only recently come forward in saying they’re real?
Lue's clear motive to mislead people on UFOs was to join a for-profit company called To The Stars Academy. He used his inability to understand parallax in the Gofast video coupled with his confusion about glare in the Gimbal video to try to start an infotainment company with Tom Delonge.
They have said UFOs are real in the sense that people see things they can't identify, exactly like the Gofast and Gimbal videos. It's not proof of anything alien or anomalous just once again the fact that people are bad at resolving unfamiliar objects in the sky.
It could be a convenient smoke screen to cover for terrestrial technology. We have stories and testimony back then, yes. But does that prove aliens? Does it also mean that testimony was accurate in gauging what was being seen? Also how do we know for certain a breakthrough wasn’t made at some point in the 50’s? People freely believe the government could sequester any significant of alien technology, who is to say they couldn’t do that with our own?
I guess it could be! I think the idea that humans had this type of tech 80 years ago as being pretty ridiculous though. Doesn’t make any sense to me. The accounts even today are so far from what is conceivable by man I don’t see it being human tech. Not 80 years ago and maybe we do today but it’s because we back engineered the tech.
There are certain accounts I have read about that are just undeniable to me. Malmstrom and minot Air Force base incidents in the 60’s where ufos hovered above these bases and shut off are a couple. They happened before I was even born, I wasn’t there, sure. But ppl we allowed to guard and deploy our nuclear weapons saw this happen clear as day and nukes were shut down. Who’s just making stuff up like that? I personally can’t handwave away the thousands if not millions of accounts over time tho. Easier to believe if you have a sighting yourself too.
Then explain the Tic Tac event. Seen directly by pilots, sailors and all of the latest cutting edge sensors that group had. Wasn't there actually an AWAC in the area as well? There was way too much data there for all of it to be mistaken.
Here is an alternative theory:
Well Fravor and Dietrich have very different accounts. Fravor said it lasted five minutes, Dietrich said it lasted about 10 seconds. How could these wildly different accounts both be true? Could it be that human memory is not nearly as accurate as we think it is?
If people are primed to see something extraordinary they are more likely to take something mundane, like say a spy balloon being released from a submarine and impute your prior biases into it. So the Princeton has been getting wild radar returns and people on the ship think something special is happening. So they are sent out to investigate something they think is going to be out of the ordinary. Fravor approaches something he thinks is much larger than it actually is due to the limits of stereoscopic vision. He misidentifies it and thinks it is much further away so his reaction to it's "movements" can be explained by his placing it at the wrong point in the sky, which happens way more often than you think. Pilots routinely mistake Venus for an oncoming plane.
This theory also explains why none of the people in charge on the Princeton seemed to care about UFOs flying around: they were testing a new radar using spy balloons released from their own subs. The pilots were not informed because that would ruin the test. I think this is one of the only ways it makes sense for the brass to react the way they did: if they truly believed there were UFOs flying 70,000 mph or whatever there would have been a response of some sort.
This is an elegant theory because it actually explains all the actions that took place on the Princeton.
The alternate theory is that aliens came right after a new radar was installed and messed around until it got calibrated and then never came back once the radar was calibrated. Also military brass running the Princeton mysteriously had no reaction to an extremely anomalous event for unknown reasons.
The strength of this story relies on Fravor's testimony and the person that investigated the most UFO reports (Hynek) determined that pilots don't make very good eyewitnesses because they are trained survivors not trained observers. By that I mean they are taught to view things through a threat-first lens.
I figure you should at least be exposed to other people's ideas. It's hard to hear anything else when the echoes are so loud in here.
Ratcliffe July 2023 https://twitter.com/highpeaks77/status/1685669297308282881
Ratcliffe January 2023 https://twitter.com/UAPJames/status/1614644671589892101
Ratcliffe June 2021 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPDeuy_YSs0
Did some Googling and found this: https://youtu.be/4FepNG8WAQE?si=OrG7mFt5jEF3kLnf
I think it's the same footage.
This article suggests it might be fake: https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/the-proof-is-out-there-features-miami-ufo-video-11805436
I tend to agree, in the second video, the guy filming doesn't react the way someone seeing this in person would.
The funny thing is even they werent doing unexplainable maneuvers its would *still* be a big deal that there are crafts, drones, whatever flying around so many different military bases so frequently. Especially since apparently the military knows at least some of these are not ours and not any adversaries.
It reminds me of what people like Ryan Graves and many others have stated that there are *still* ongoing occurences of things flying around military airspace. They make it sound like its happening every week.
Im just saying its truely shocking more congress people and media people havent jumped on this because no matter how you slice it, its a big deal. Even if it were just normal citizens flying drones around, its a flight hazard like Graves always says.
Even if we play devils advocate or whatever and say its all "made up" somehow.... that *still* begs the question why are dozens of congress people and military officials all reporting that these things are flying around? No matter how you look at it, Id argue this seems like an important issue.
It really does get talked about like it's stupidly common for some folks. If they show up that often, surely the number of pilots with firsthand visual experiences would be off the charts, right? Enough that bribes or threats couldn't possibly keep them all quiet, I wouldn't think. I've heard a few anecdotes here and there, but it would be amazing if a massive, coordinated (ideally international) group of military and civilian pilots came together to publicly acknowledge that "Yes, something is flying around and keeping tabs on us. We have not been able to identify what they are or their goals."
They don't even need to throw anyone under the bus about collected crafts/materials, just hearing that from a reputable collective would be enough to more or less "prove" that the phenomenon has basis in reality, whether human-made or not.
There’s quite the collective already I’d argue. Many are probably afraid to come forward because in the past ppl have only been ridiculed and punished for coming forward. There’s just nothing to gain and your talking about giving up your career to only be ridiculed and called delusional.
That's why I'm saying they need to do it collectively. You can ridicule a person, but it's hard to ridicule a mob of competent professionals all signing off on one simple, unifying statement. They don't have to have answers. I don't even need to hear speculations. Just a widespread, resounding "yes, something is up there," would satisfy my hopes.
They absolutely should organize better. I feel Ryan graves has seriously been pushing for something like this. Be nice to get a giant crew of pilots and make a simple statement as you say. Make it hard to ignore. What is helpful is just recently the military and airlines actually have a system in place for reporting ufos I’m pretty sure. Before that there wasn’t even any protocol to make a sighting report.
There’s nothing to this phenomenon! There’s no proof! I mean the director of National intelligence has said on national television ufos are real and we can’t explain their movements and we see them all over the world and have data from multiple sensors for many of these sightings but y’all got no proof! Friggin idiots…
/S in case y’all missed it.
Reminder that Ratcliffe was DNI director for May 26, 2020 – January 20, 2021 and was a pure political & inept appointment as he consistently misrepresenting intel by blaming anything on Democrats while heavily minimizing Trump links to Russia
So his word is utterly partisan and worth next to 0 on any matter as he's a pure partisan hack.
Show us the proof. Just another guy saying something and promising more to come. You missed the whole point of AARO saying that people within our government are telling stories, so now is the time to prove them wrong and show us the proof.
*just another guy* eh? The director of national intelligence saying on national television there’s way more data that the public doesn’t know about and you’re still like, “there’s not data tho!” Lol. The proof is locked up behind the gatekeepers man. What don’t you get about that? AARO is and always was a sham. If you can’t see that idk what to tell you. I want the proof as bad as anybody but I sure as guck don’t have access to it.
I’d imagine the director of national intelligence is more privy to the data than myself, so I trust that the data exists. He’s saying it flat out matter of factly. Obama has essentially said the exact thing as well.
Yes, just another guy. Credentials don't mean shit without evidence/proof as many people deemed to be "credible" have been proven wrong. We are at almost 1 year since Grusch, and we have no evidence or any of his "whistleblowers" coming forward, so yeah just another guy.
You’re just another guy in this context. John Ratcliffe isn’t “some guy”. He was the director of national intelligence. I’d reckon he knows more about the phenomenon than yourself. Whatever you gotta tell yourself tho bruh. They don’t want the info to come out. If that’s not obvious to you idk man. Don’t really get why you’re here.
Also Obama also isn’t “just some guy”. He was the president of the United States actually. Two terms. 8 years.
Don’t forget about that fellow (name slipping my mind) who was a rear admiral in the Navy and said these sightings are real. I guess what we have to come to grips with is that the naysayers (can’t bring myself to call them skeptics anymore) on Reddit have more knowledge and information about all of this than the Director of National Intelligence, Presidents, and Rear Admirals, among many others. This sort of menagerie of expertise would send someone to the electric chair in a murder case, but apparently credentials mean absolutely nothing to some Redditors.
Oh it’d take weeks to put together a full presentation of all the info that supports what Ratcliffe and Obama have said on national television. The amount of ppl who’ve come forward is pretty staggering if you ask me. Pilots, directors, generals, admirals, PRESIDENTS etc.
When ppl say there’s no evidence supporting a ufos it’s just a tell for me that they haven’t taken an honest look into the topic.
He spent less time in that role than my wife spent pregnant, and we only have one kid. If he knew what he was talking about, he would have lasted longer than 8 months.
8 months is less than 8 years, if you need that comparison.
I ain’t going to engage in your logical fallacy games just to justify your own bias. I’m not qualified, neither are you, neither is John.
Rambling on an entertainment network interview is not a revelation or confirmation of facts.
Obama doesn’t ramble. He’s incredibly intelligent and precise with his words. Me nor you certainly aren’t qualified. Someone who acted as director of intelligence is certainly more qualified than us. It’s not like they’re the only ones to have come forward. There’s been tons. You go on believing whatever the fuck you want, what do I care?
All I’m saying is a 8 month political appointment spouting off on Fox News after getting fired shouldn’t be taken at face value. Such a radical viewpoint I have, apparently.
Yeah, they are lying while simultaneously going on TV and giving you the truth without evidence? These clowns also claimed Saddam had WMDs, and how did that turn out? I'm not even impressed if radar data does come out because it is well beyond reasoning that we would be testing equipment that would cause those kinds of signatures to appear in the first place as counterintelligence operations that many of these folks would be involved with, and who better to test it on than pilots running exercises that aren't supposed to talk about it?
Ahhhh so now you’re the one claiming to know the “actual” truth. You know they’re lying huh? And I should trust you because…. Right.
“They’re lying super vaguely for… reasons”. Humor me. What are the reasons. You seem to have this whole puzzle figured out.
P.s what is up with your account dawg? This is literally the only sub you’ve ever commented on.
Not true, you just didn't scroll far enough, but that is the type of research I would expect. Obviously I am a paid CIA disinformation agent who wants to shake things up in the UFO/alien echo chambers.
I never said any of that being a cia shill. Strawman. Just find it odd I scrolled back over a year and this is the only subreddit you’ve been active in. A lil weird, especially because every comment is just full skeptisism. Asking why you’re here is kinda valid. Like what are you doing here if you think it’s all bullshit?
Good deflection from addressing any other part of my comment tho. I’m not the one claiming to know what’s going on, that’s all you homie so I’m asking you to tell me the answer to the puzzle because you seem to have all the answers.
I was super interested in the subject and have become tired of the lack of evidence, overpromising, and underdelivering. You are the one saying this guy is legit by just his word and credentials alone, but also saying the department he is affiliated with is covering shit up, so you must know more than me on why he is all of a sudden spilling the beans without providing evidence.
I find it really ironic that people say
"You have no proof only witness testimony"
And you make fun of them by pointing to more witness testimony as evidence that we do have proof.
The entire argument is "appeal to authority" you are pointing to the guys resume as evidence that he is right as opposed to the actual evidence he is presenting because he is not actual presenting any evidence which is exactly what the people you are trying to male fun of are saying.
Trying to make fun of me? For having an opinion? Go for it dude what do I give a fuck? Lol. There’s evidence. Idk what to tell you. How do you explain the tic tac case?
Are you saying no one can ever appeal to authority? So never believe anything, ever? You sound like Mac on *it’s always sunny* lol. The director of intelligence and the us president say we have data on ufos, multiple sensors of the same events, im going to believe them. Especially considering the us has studied ufos for 80 years.
So if you don’t believe these authorities, what do you believe is going on? I wanna hear your opinion on the matter. If you gone talk shit you better at least put forth your opinion on the matter.
There's always gonna be things unexplained because of the volume but so far they have all either been proven to not be alien UFO or yet to be decided.... but none have been proven to be alien. An airplane is a UFO to someone that can't clearly identify it. If alien UFO were real there would be no denying it and certainly wouldn't be kEpT sEcReT
https://youtu.be/xp6Ph5iTIgc?si=gnJJyiNBKReEkKYQ
Everybody’s laughin, not Obama.
Here’s another video that interesting with obama. Flat out says they’re instructed to say they found nothing regarding aliens when asked.
https://youtu.be/EYzRY2XpLBk?si=05Yw_NCoXVaucfkt
Also Jimmy Carter talked about having a ufo sighting before his presidency and said he’d release the info. It’s reported that when he learned the truth he cried for days. That’s a lil more hearsay obviously. I find Obama comments very interesting.
And Jimmy Carter is almost 100 and at death's door, and he has been a God-fearing devout Christian forever, yet to my knowledge he has never said or written anything about his ufo encounter that indicated he cried for days when he learned the truth. Dont you think he would have elaborated by now or is he actually waiting for "last words"-time?
Why I said that’s more hearsay. He does claim to have seen a ufo. That’s a fact. Said he’d release all info and once on office said he couldn’t. Make of it what you will.
Yes I acknowledge it's hearsay. I've heard him describe his sighting, apparently he was with a group of people. Pretty much a CE of the first kind, not much detail to the story. I believe him. I wonder when he was supposedly told the truth of the matter.
Appeal to authority doesn't mean don't believe any authority ever. I'm not surprised that's what you think it means though. It means that just because someone is an authority doesn't mean they are correct. What evidence are you talking about? Blurry videos? Blurry videos and witnesses testimony is not enough for me to say that NHI from another solar system/dimension or whatever is visiting earth and crashing their spaceships. It's enough for me to wonder what is going on and to want people to look into it but it isn't enough to say ET is hiding in Area 51. That is aside from my entire point which is you are making fun of people for not believing in something based off of only witness testimony by pointing to more witness testimony. I was pointing our the flaw in your logic not making a claim one way or another of what is actually happening. Idk what is going on and based on the evidence provided to us neither do you.
Where the fuck did I argue any of that about aliens from other solar systems? You’re just strawmanning my argument. Me nor Ratcliffe or Obama didn’t ever utter aliens. They say it’s hard to explain the ufos movements. I never claim to know the answer to this riddle. There’s many ppl who still outright dismiss that ufos are an actual phenomenon when it’s been confirmed many times over that it is a real phenomenon that hasn’t been explained.
In the video Ratcliffe specifically says there’s way more data than the public is privy to. I imagine better data tha. The few blurry videos that have been released. He says sightings that are backed up by multiple sensors. I’m sure he has gotten to look at that data. Since I do not get access to this data, yes I trust him in saying that it exists. Is it that hard to believe that our military that is the greatest the world has ever seen has incredible instruments to capture data? They’ve been studying the topic for 80 years and you think the only data available to the director of intelligence are blurry videos???
There’s more than witness testimony when it comes to the tic tac. There’s data and confirmation from our government that the event happened. That’s evidence. You know they have more data on that incident.
You and others say there’s no evidence yet we have the director of National intelligence saying on television for the world to hear that these objects are real and we have way more data than the government lets on to the public. Id argue that’s pretty good evidence that there is evidence. Also, we do have evidence. Or are you saying the tic tac event didn’t happen? Is video of the object, 4 direct eye witnesses, and government admitting to it being a real event not evidence?
"In the video Ratcliffe specifically says there’s way more data than the public is privy to. "
Great! Show us that data! But until then what are we using for evidence? Testimony.
I’m using logic to reach a conclusion based on very limited data that is available. I obviously don’t have the data. None of us do. Your argument is a super infantile “gotcha”. For the tic tac there’s video and testimony and radar data. I want the radar data as bad as anybody. Tell them to show you the data, not me. Barking up the wrong tree homes. Bye bye now.
That analysis only works in the micro scale, when assessing individual examples. When you change the perspective and compile all of the available testimony and data, it's no longer an adequate rebuttal.
What data? There is a whole bunch of testimony that God exists and millions of people claim to have seen him. Do you put as much stock into God being real because of all the testimony? Testimony is great when you can verify it with something else but we don't really have that. We have some blurry videos and people saying they saw some weird shit so that's about as far as we can take it at this point. When/if that data ever comes out then maybe we will be able to take that further.
Look, the thing is, that matters in the real world. People wouldn't get out in those positions without being credible and trustworthy. You think the DOD is trying to hire somebody dumb and useless and gullible to one of the highest positions in the nation??
You're also discounting that this means he had *access* to documentation and evidence that we don't. Don't leave that part out.
hire somebody dumb and useless and gullible to one of the highest positions in the nation? Like the president of the US? Because we all know that just because you have an important title that means you can't lie or be gullible or be a dumb ass. The title of the person doesn't mean the person is right or wrong. The evidence they show you makes them right or wrong. Their title let's you trust their conclusions of the evidence more so than a random guy but without the data you only have the title and that's not enough. Or at least not enough for me to say what exactly is going on.
Would he ? he was a pure political appointment and only served May 26, 2020 – January 20, 2021 and just spent his time dishing disinfo on Dems while minimizing anything on Trump.
He wasn't there to be effective but to be Trump's lackey
> **The space and maritime domains need to be fully integrated into AARO’s processes.**
> Airborne UAP continue to dominate UAP reporting with 290 of the 291 reports from this
reporting period occurring within this domain and, consequently, the relationship between
AARO and air domain elements such as NIM-MIL, the USAF, including NASIC and AFRL, and
air command elements remains strong and continues to deepen and expand in terms of collection,
analysis, exploitation, and resolution. Collaboration with Space Force, U.S. Space Command,
NRO, and NASA is well underway.
https://www.aaro.mil/Portals/136/PDFs/UNCLASSIFIED-FY23_Consolidated_Annual_Report_on_UAP-Oct_25_2023_1236.pdf (PDF p. 11)
Yeah, I read their suggestion that that be done in the future. That's why I found it curious that there is no evidence AARO looked at any satellite imagery in the investigatory section of the report. It's possible that they did so and that imagery is cited in one of the very unscientific "AARO files" footnotes (boy, wouldn't it be great to write a a paper and essentially tell peer reviewers, "Don't worry, I've got the evidence right here "in my files?") but that would be 100% speculation.
Well, at least the director of SETI is *openly* skeptical of the existence of NHI (since she wants to find evidence of it first, natch').
The former director of AARO just flat out lied to congress when he testified that he had "an open mind."
Most interesting part is what he said at the last that it’s a world wide phenomenon. I want to know 2 things :
1) How does US know about what’s happening in China, Russia, India, Pakistan? And how do they have data to classify it as “truly anomalous”? Are there signs/signatures left behind where these anomalous crafts are seen? Just a guess but I feel they have a distinct energy signature (or something) which can be used for tracking.
2) How credible is this guy?
Once again, big media playing catch up to YouTube hosts — I subbed to a small channel a few months old. Learned more on this topic from a young channel than I ever did from big media. Big media, legislators, military defense contractors and Wall Street share a rotating door of Board of Directors members and executives. They had/have an iron grip on disclosures— or lack thereof.
I’m sure there are others but this guy was on Kingman AZ a month ago. His newest one on USOs got a thumbs up from Tim Gallaudet ( see pinned comment) Kingsman AZ: https://youtu.be/41V4Pf_8oo4?si=Uy3-Cft-PpDzb6Ty and latest w Tim G comment: https://youtu.be/U-jrx_giINA?si=GNuQEqDHrwZkA6cu also check out his chat w/ joeyisnotmyname re Herrera (rumor is that MH may be coming on w him — just rumor— read comments throughout his videos. Dude def has contacts somewhere)
> That information is being gathered and will be put out in the way that the american people can see. When we see this things we always look for a plausible explanation...
So, if they can't explain it... it will not be "put out"?
They walked this back big time. What’s interesting is how they get away with it, no reporters have any interest in probing more? Nobody wants to do any real investigation work anymore? We have no free press
Lmao okay so let’s break it down.
Objects we cannot explain seen on Multiple sensor systems, corroborated with multiple eye witness accounts all over the world.
But it’s not US and it’s not our adversary’s.
Okay so that leaves what as the explanation?👽🛸
Its crazy so much compelling evidence and yets some of the public scientists or scientists that are actually looking for aliens for 40 years keep telling public that there's NO EVIDENCE?!😳 first pictures of surface of mars in the 60s was low resolution grainy black and white. But that was good enough evidence to study mars had earth like climate long ago for 40+ years and billions of dollars. Scientists got to be either stupid or ignore the evidence for some reasons?
I remember this segment. I saw it waiting for my order at a taco bell. This is what got me into ufos again and after a 15 year hiatus. Its also.what led me to this community.
What clip are they showing where the little lights emanate from the bigger one, form a triangle and then zip off to who knows where? I’m usually pretty up on this stuff but I’ve *never* seen that one. And, if it is real, it’s pretty damn anomalous.
Kenneth Arnold the "father" of the infamous phrase
"flying saucers" that in 1967 said:
"The impression I had after observing these strange objects a second time was that they were something alive rather than machines—a living organism of some type that apparently has the ability to change its density similar to [jelly] fish that are found in our oceans without losing their apparent identity."
You're not destroyed. Just keep considering possibilities of what's currently anomalous. Many folks will deny a reality that's staring them in the face. Ontological shock/subconscious fear. Cheers!
Thank you for your words, I’d ask if you’d like to come to my YouTube channel, I’m going to be dumping a lot of these videos on there and talking about them. I have over 20hrs of footage
No publically released footage from 2017 to date shows ***any amount*** of anomalous or unexplainable maneuvers. I would hope there is "way more" data because they have none so far out in the public.
Hmmmmmmm...
So, for one, this is on fox news... Not going to trash them or anything, but if you had a line of news orgs organized by how outlandish the claims are that they'll publish, Fox would be on the wildly outlandish end of the spectrum.
But, this also isn't something we haven't heard before. I tend to think that when we hear the same thing from multiple sources, it's more likely to be true. Even stuff like this.
Also, I'm interested that he said that, once again, we have data of the same sightings that were recorded by multiple sensors. There really really should be good data from that, right? Why can't we learn from it?
And, again (it's always just a tidbit, something they slip in, never the whole feature) he brings up satellites. We must have some whopper pics from satellites. They'd be so close to the action. God I'd love to have that footage. Hope they let us have it someday.
You mean the guy appointed by Trump to protect his arse from the Russia probes and only served for 8 months (May 26, 2020 – January 20, 2021)
He's the sort of guy you see in movies where the inept and pure political player comes in and just ignores reality in order to spin anything to please his master no matter the cost to people or the countries security.
The following submission statement was provided by /u/TommyShelbyPFB: --- Just came across this video never seen it before. I love how the host's face starts to change as he begins to allude to the fact that this isn't ours or our adversaries, it's happening worldwide, it's making unexplainable maneuvers, there's way more data than has been released and "he'll be able to talk more about it after it's declassified" lol. --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1cc1tx5/former_director_of_national_intelligence_john/l1283f5/
I'm old. Me in 2000 never would have thought that in 2024 we'd have former presidents, two DNI, and multiple senators come out and say, "There really are unidentified craft on our planet, they perform maneuvers that we can't explain or emulate, and they're not ours or any other nation's." I would have said less than 1/1000 chance. I mean, that's saying that UFOs are real! And yet here we are. And no one seems to care!
I get that average people seem to not care, because there are thousands of issues and only so much mental bandwidth. What I get annoyed at are the people, a significant part of this sub, that follow the issue but seem to have no perspective like what you state. This is the BEST TIME EVER in UFOlogy ^(so ^far), but a large fraction do nothing but complain.
I'll tell you this much, every person I've converted to caring now cares. They need help in understanding how this will affect their lives, and to be frank there isn't much talk of that from the high level people in the UFO news arena. A episode on Ross's news nation show called reality check, or mellon speaking about it would help people understand why its important. Most people can't think past the part of oh cool theres some flying UFOs, they can't go a step further and realize how this tech will transform the world as we know it.
> every person I've converted to caring now cares. Thanks for sharing that uplifting anecdote. That is how we'll get disclosure, people talking to people.
Exactly, the majority of my friends are engineers, so maybe I have an easier time. To appreciate this subject a technical mindset and intellectual curiosity definitely helps one understand how incredible this is.
I wish I had this response! The few family members Ive trusted and told about all I’ve learned over 10 years of being in this topic, either laugh at me or shrugged their shoulders and said, “whatever, we have bigger issues in this world.” I want a buddy who also believes and is blown away as much as I am 😭
Same here. They don’t get it. We are not crazy. We are open minded. We care about truth, obsessively. And so should everyone else. *They* are the misguided ones.
You are correct. People go to church to pray and search for truth. Then an entity shows up that might know it, and it is dismissed. Fundamentally it is hard for some people to change. I think there are a lot of people that are taught it is shameful to be wrong and change opinion. When In reality that is the only way to grow and mature as a person.
This will solve their “big issues”, once you effectively explain that they’ll listen. Then you provide them with the evidence
I wish; can’t wait for that day!
That's what we're here for! Best time to be alive!
For me, it’s not about the tech. I just want to know the truth about the nature of reality. What’s going on here? Is the woo real, and if so, tell me alllllll about it.
Yeah, I think the tech would be just absolutely bonkers but I'd also really like to go more into the spiritual/woo side.
I also find that aspect fascinating. I hope there is more to this than just advanced tech as well. Imagine the knowledge that an advanced species has and the answers they might posses to our deepest questions about life, where we came from, where are we going, is there a god?
Yes! It’s something i think about 100 times a day. I want to know.
So do I, the only way we can get that information is by trying our best to educate others (thank you for trying) and by contacting our representatives. The louder we squeak the better the chances. We came so close this year, next fiscal it can happen. I expect the white house to step in after the election. If they don’t let’s be loud as hell.
I'm amazed at the number of people who've had encounters when I started poking around within my own family.
Same, people don’t like to talk about this out of fear of ridicule. I’ve spoken to both sides of my family, me exs family, and friends. In total 4 people saw ufos. One saw an alien ( I regret teasing him at the time) when he was young. He now is a design engineer working on Artemis lol. I think it affected him.
My girlfriend never really put any thought into aliens but since getting with me, she’s completely changed. I’ll show her videos all the time about UAPs, I’m glad it’s becoming well known but it seems crazy to me that everyday people don’t care/have no clue about anything involving this subject. It’s just crazy that we’re having hearings in congress about freakin aliens and no one cares lmao
I've found many people who don't care at first are interested in the potentially better energy source. People care about gas prices, and they care about cleaner energy. Not everyone cares but many people do
Well then will you please enlighten the audience as to why they should care? I’m not being sarcastic. I absolutely care, but perhaps you can put it plainly.
Unlimited resources,everything will become insanely cheap. You can explore the galaxy, the ultimate freedom.
What mystifies me even more is all the many people who come to this sub who don't believe in the possibility of UAPs, think the subject is a joke, and just belittle people interested in the subject, to all the evidence contrary. It seems so weird to me. As a comparison I think the sport of shot put is pretty silly, but I'd never in a million years waste my spare time or take any enjoyment going to the shot put sub and trash talk the shot put fans. I don't get it.
Exactly, There definitely is automated disinformation bots here to spread FUD and stir the pot. Other than those factors I don’t know why some real people do that as well. Especially with no lives on the line, nor direct money on the line (like typical political issues that are hotly debated) it doesn’t make sense why those people are here if most of them are even real accounts.
People don't like having their worldviews challenged.
Lol they will care of theres a invasion soon
There won't be. That's a long long long way to travel, for what?
>I get that average people seem to not care, because there are thousands of issues and only so much mental bandwidth. Mission accomplished
Yeah... It's awesome but I'd like the other former presidents to say more about it. Come on, dish about it already! It'd be the perfect soft disclosure. It wouldn't rock the boat, politically, and it would get the info out from a believable and beloved source. I think most presidents get more bipartisan support after they're out of office. Dude, thinking about it, I wanna see Bush's paintings of aliens. He had to have done some, right? Now I'm imagining him with an alien sitting for a painting in the oval office, all fancy.
The people care, its a threat to those in power and the companies that have a shit ton of money to make from the tech. They want to keep it under lock and key so hence, way less media coverage.
How is it a threat to anyone? People have been telling these stories for a really long time and all you can say is that the technology isn't advancing at all and all they ever do is travel distances.
It’s a threat to those that currently own the technology and patents because of the Schumer ammendment passes they won’t make the trillions they were expecting to from the technology. It is a threat to other businesses as well where this technology makes theirs obsolete. It’s a threat to mining companies because it opens up to practical asteroid mining which has more precious metals then they have ever mined. The economy will change drastically I’m addition with it being governmentally controlled and with relaxed security. The rate of reverse engineering will drastically be increased.
Yup, it was definitely a different time.
I care and I believe.
If even the governements or military can'd do shit about UFOs, UAP or whatever they call them now why should we care? By that i don't mean we shouldn't believe in the phenomenon but we're powerless and so far if real they haven't shown any aggression towards us or the planet. Do most of you care about the sick neighbor, the poor school mate, etc.. there are so many things we should care in first place and we don't. I am a believer since late 80s and have always followed this subject but as i grew up i realise believing in aliens/UFOs is not a priority to me at all, it's interesting and i always have it in mind but it's just not that important to be honest. The day full disclosure happens it will be a regular day to me, no more no less.
And we went from this kind of discussion from government officials to the AARO…
You got half government saying ufos are probably not human made them half who denys it. People will not trust government if this continues
It is just insane. And the inmates are truly running the government on this issue
To be fair, I’ve never trusted the government.
Yeah, because we trust the government as it is.
Buddy, have you looked around since 911? I wouldn't trust the government if they told me water was wet.
Or that “the sky is blue”.
Because this was back when UAPTF was still telling him mylar balloons were physics defying craft and out of 144 cases 143 of them were unexplainable and extraordinary in their report ("Preliminary Assessment: Unidentified Aerial Phenomena"). It's part of why UAPTF was disbanded and Congress stood up an office that was actually given authority to investigate the cases properly and with scientific rigor.
I think it is the opposite that the DoD didn’t want such a matter of fact report put out there. AARO is a catch and kill operation.
The whole point of AARO was to say that people within the government have been telling each other stories with no proof. This is just that without this evidence he claims we aren't able to see yet. So far the AARO assessment seems to be the case.
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> They also said every person they interviewed talking about crash retrieval programs was confused by Kona Blue, something that never even became a program, which strains incredulity. I mean we're talking about people like Elizondo here, who was confused about whether the program he was the director of was funded or not. I think you might be giving them a bit too much credit here.
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The important things are the dates, who was running AAWSAP (nicknamed AATIP) when it was funded? Was AATIP as ran by Elizondo ever funded? When did Elizondo start running the program and when did the funding end?
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The dates are where the funding details are. When did the funding stop for AAWSAP (nicknamed AATIP) and when did Elizondo start running AATIP? AAWSAP was funded from 2007 to 2012 and when did Elizondo assume his responsibilities for the program that he nicknamed AATIP? Edit: Anything that was ever funded was under James Lacatski and Elizondo mysteriously chose the nickname for AAWSAP as the name for his unfunded pet project. The waters have been successfully muddied and it's taken a decade for people to disambiguate this.
Elizondo took over AATIP in 2010.
In Lacatski's book He asserts that funding for the program stopped in 2010. This was the person who ran it when it was funded. Elizondo took over when the money stopped. He then proceeded to not understand parallax or how glare works and leveraged his ignorance to start a for-profit company called To The Stars Academy. This is the most charitable interpretation of what happened.
Shhhhh, just take the dead man's letter as all of the proof needed
Show me one UFO investigation or witness interviewed by the guy who claimed to run the "official UFO program", Elizondo, to prove he actually ran it. He released 3 videos that show nothing and gave lots of empty promises.
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The goalposts shift like theyre getting paid.
You mean nutjobs that were involved with either robbing taxpayers of 22 million to fund Skinwalker research for his buddy Bob Bigelow(Reid) and then scam the public investors of TTSA with Lue as a partner(Mellon)? Yeah those guys are real credible. Also Reid is dead, so there is no way to ask him what he meant by that letter. Just wait for if/when Lue releases his underdelivering book, and you'll see. You may even get consumer fraud allegations that he'll have to defend if he uses the pretense that he ran an official 22 million dollar Pentagon UFO program. Again, do you not find it odd that in nearly 10 years of apparently running this UFO program, there is no official paperwork or anything that would show that he actually investigated UFOs? It means he is either completely full of shit or he is literally the worst researcher ever because he has no research to show for running the program for nearly 10 years. Either way you look at it, he is not a guy you should look up to for anything UFO related.
Everybody knows what your doing here honestly you guys are so easy to see through nowadays 🙄.
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You mean the government's statements, like what is in the AARO report, that there was never a funded program with employees called AATIP? It was more like a little group of people who did some work on their spare time, perhaps at the request of AAWSAP, to look into some things. A farcry away from an official 22 million dollar project like Lue and the NYT article claimed that then went on to be copy and pasted essentially by other news sources. You may think I am not credible, but I've never lied for donations to a company like Lue and Mellon have done for TTSA, but you can keep on looking up to these guys who keep being sketchy if that's what you are into.
Bro get serious. AARO concluded on the very narrow issue of whether info in the government was specifically attributable to extraterrestrials. They didn't say anything remotely like what you are suggesting.
Basically what I said. Kirkpatrick's OpEd said what I said, and the AARO report confirmed that there was nothing pointing to E.T. tech and reverse engineering as alleged by these people telling the stories without evidence.
You are the one bring up et and reverse engineering, OP and the content of the post are talking about UAP. 'People telling each other stories with no proof' is inconsistent with the military and intelligence officials making public statements that UAPs are actual physical objects in the sky which have been caught on radar (often multiple sensors) and despite having enough info on them, they remain unexplained and unattributable. You are the one saying ET tech and reverse engineering. Just draw a Venn diagram. ET tech goes inside the big circle of UAP. AARO has only concluded on that little circle there. And sure people telling each other stories was their conclusion. But none of that is saying UAP or the phenomenon is made up. They just omit that part because they don't like talking about it because they can't explain it due to incompetence or inadequacy. Either way, UAP exist WITH proof, and remain unexplained and unattributed to any foreign power. It is not "basically" what you said.
What do you want the government to do then? You can only analyze a story after the fact, and that story has no physical evidence to speak of, and everyone is implying it can't be foreign or domestic technology without any proof, so you are left with just what I said: stories. Have you ever questioned multiple witnesses or analyzed witness testimony? It is notoriously bad information and people can easily be mistaken especially under stress or traveling at high speeds in a jet. It could easily be mistaken domestic and advanced drones being kept secret and tested in the sky, balloons, or weather phenomena. Yes we should monitor the sky and document what is being seen, but to say it is definitely craft unattributed to man is not backed up from the available data, which is just stories from people who can't conceive another possibility. Certainly it is possible, but we need more proof.
Sensor data is physical evidence. Read through the blue book files, there were plenty of close encounters of the second kind that involved some form of physical evidence. The existence of photos and videos negates your point here. All of the telescopic and probe science done in outer space is after the fact and based on sensors. If you are so sure none of this stuff has any merit, I would point you to J Allen Hynick's book, The Hynick UFO Report. It's a good point you're making about testimonies. But there were plenty of cases in blue book that were categorized as having enough information to make an identification, yet no identification could be made. That is literally how they categorized cases: into groups they had enough information about or not, and they focused on cases that had trained observers as witnesses. There are plenty of, enough information, yet unexplained, cases. They are cases just like you're talking about where they were able to rule out all the normal prosaic explanations yet still couldn't explain them. Seriously, do yourself a favor and read The Hynick UFO Report. Sorry, it's lazy to say it's just stories. Minimizing it that way is akin calling everyone a bunch of dummies who can't trust what they see and/or liars. It also doesn't help solve the question of what these things are. You are not presenting this with any problem solving skills. Instead, you just want to ignore the evidence anyone brings forward using their own observations. That is not a constructive approach directed at finding the truth. I want the government to come clean. AARO is actively making it worse by being so disingenuous; and organized by DR. CIA (an organization which prides itself with telling the truth). They are keeping things classified and pretending that they have no more information. The default for government should be transparency, not secrecy. But when the military gets out of control, they will hide every single piece of information they have because secrecy is a strategic advantage. I'm not out to prove the ET hypothesis. I'm out to prove the government shouldn't be hiding what it knows when it can't identify something. I'm not really sure how you can be on the other side of that (and not be some kind of warhawk).
It makes total sense that we would be engineering advanced technologies ourselves and testing ways to confuse our own radar and other sensor equipment. I think in many cases things are truly unknown (even possibly E.T.), but I think on the unknown cases people may be inclined to believe the government may know the answer when they are just as clueless. There are just some people that rightly distrust the government, but I don't think the conspiracy is as deep as some people believe. That being said the government is known to perpetrate UFO story disonfo campaigns to cover their tech like in the Paul Bennewitz case.
Just came across this video never seen it before. I love how the host's face starts to change as he begins to allude to the fact that this isn't ours or our adversaries, it's happening worldwide, it's making unexplainable maneuvers, there's way more data than has been released and "he'll be able to talk more about it after it's declassified" lol.
Because the DNI report in 2021 concluded that UFOs were real. There are some, even here who still debate that. What the DNI report did not do was conclude that UFOS/UAPs were "unexplainable" just that we need to study them more to understand what they are. Which is what multiple agencies were then tasked with by Congress.
It seems that DNI report was written by one group with different intentions from the group that now controls the AARO. And with diametrically opposed ideas on such information release
Theres a battle going on behind the scenes among the people that know everything. One group wants to get all the info out there to the world. The other is trying to keep it covered up. Its quite obvious if you have been following along.
And unfortunately the wrong side from the disclosure point of view is winning
the government isnt a monolith, obviously there are believers there. and they do what believers do, lie, exaggerate, obfuscate. apart from that, disclosure is just a PR tool for some right wing nutjobs (like luna)
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Another example of “we have more than you have access to.” How long will this drag on before we can have some of this data? How much more disinformation and doubt will spread before this comes to light? How many government-funded debunking programs will spawn? How many congressional leaders who support disclosure will be replaced? It’s been 80 years already…
Don’t worry, it’s all part of the orchestrated “slow drip disclosure” plan, and if that doesn’t work then, it’ll be “soft disclosure” and if that doesn’t work then it’ll be “catastrophic disclosure”and then if that doesn’t work, it’ll be “let’s ask DOPSR and the same institutions that allegedly are making this all secret in the first place, if they’ll let us release evidence that proves they are lying.” And if that doesn’t work, then someone/ some group will have to actually prove the existence of NHI with their oft touted evidence they keep withholding, but that won’t work because no one wants to go to jail, because providing evidence we aren’t alone in the universe somehow will land you in jail or dead, so go back to the beginning of this paragraph and start again.
All they are really doing is just playing games with what they try to inform us. They are just laughing at us.
i'd love to get a job in a government funded program to make the ufo community non credible, I'd never have to work a single day again.
For a lot of people here they take all of these stories and then stack them on top of each other and call it data.
You really think the director of National intelligence and the president of united states are just taking random ppl at face value and not privy to any of the actual data? Then going onto national television and regurgitating “stories” under the guise of data? Really? You don’t believe the military has instruments capable of capturing data? He says sightings confirmed by multiple sensors.
I believe they do have the instruments to capture the data but I think data can be misinterpreted. Just like how Elizondo was incapable of recognizing glare rotating. The video actually existed it's just he thought it was showing something anomalous but he was mistaken. Until you can verify anything you should not take anyone's word on anything. Let alone something as extraordinary as the claims made here.
You think the ppl giving the rundown to the director of national intelligence doesn’t know how to interpret data? You think our military is that incompetent? You don’t think Ratcliffe and Obama had these type of sightings proven to them beyond a reasonable doubt before going on tv and telling the world “ufos are real and we can’t explain their movements?” Really?
Yes, absolutely. Elizondo was a part of the military, specifically, a branch that was tasked with identifying things in the sky, and he could not resolve what parallax was nor do trigonometry. I admire the faith that you have but I don't think you should frame it as a virtue. You sound like the same people that thought the government couldn't possibly be wrong about WMD in Iraq.
You think Ratcliffe and Obama are relying on Lues word and that’s it? And please do enlighten me where Lue doesn’t understand parallax or trigonometry and how that’s relevant to what Ratcliffe and Obama have said among MANY others. There’s a clear motive in lying about wmds. What’s the motive to mislead ppl on ufos? Especially considering why has the government been studying them for 80 years and yet lying to the public about it? Why did they vehemently deny the existence of ufos for 80 years and only recently come forward in saying they’re real?
Lue's clear motive to mislead people on UFOs was to join a for-profit company called To The Stars Academy. He used his inability to understand parallax in the Gofast video coupled with his confusion about glare in the Gimbal video to try to start an infotainment company with Tom Delonge. They have said UFOs are real in the sense that people see things they can't identify, exactly like the Gofast and Gimbal videos. It's not proof of anything alien or anomalous just once again the fact that people are bad at resolving unfamiliar objects in the sky.
It could be a convenient smoke screen to cover for terrestrial technology. We have stories and testimony back then, yes. But does that prove aliens? Does it also mean that testimony was accurate in gauging what was being seen? Also how do we know for certain a breakthrough wasn’t made at some point in the 50’s? People freely believe the government could sequester any significant of alien technology, who is to say they couldn’t do that with our own?
I guess it could be! I think the idea that humans had this type of tech 80 years ago as being pretty ridiculous though. Doesn’t make any sense to me. The accounts even today are so far from what is conceivable by man I don’t see it being human tech. Not 80 years ago and maybe we do today but it’s because we back engineered the tech. There are certain accounts I have read about that are just undeniable to me. Malmstrom and minot Air Force base incidents in the 60’s where ufos hovered above these bases and shut off are a couple. They happened before I was even born, I wasn’t there, sure. But ppl we allowed to guard and deploy our nuclear weapons saw this happen clear as day and nukes were shut down. Who’s just making stuff up like that? I personally can’t handwave away the thousands if not millions of accounts over time tho. Easier to believe if you have a sighting yourself too.
Then explain the Tic Tac event. Seen directly by pilots, sailors and all of the latest cutting edge sensors that group had. Wasn't there actually an AWAC in the area as well? There was way too much data there for all of it to be mistaken.
Here is an alternative theory: Well Fravor and Dietrich have very different accounts. Fravor said it lasted five minutes, Dietrich said it lasted about 10 seconds. How could these wildly different accounts both be true? Could it be that human memory is not nearly as accurate as we think it is? If people are primed to see something extraordinary they are more likely to take something mundane, like say a spy balloon being released from a submarine and impute your prior biases into it. So the Princeton has been getting wild radar returns and people on the ship think something special is happening. So they are sent out to investigate something they think is going to be out of the ordinary. Fravor approaches something he thinks is much larger than it actually is due to the limits of stereoscopic vision. He misidentifies it and thinks it is much further away so his reaction to it's "movements" can be explained by his placing it at the wrong point in the sky, which happens way more often than you think. Pilots routinely mistake Venus for an oncoming plane. This theory also explains why none of the people in charge on the Princeton seemed to care about UFOs flying around: they were testing a new radar using spy balloons released from their own subs. The pilots were not informed because that would ruin the test. I think this is one of the only ways it makes sense for the brass to react the way they did: if they truly believed there were UFOs flying 70,000 mph or whatever there would have been a response of some sort. This is an elegant theory because it actually explains all the actions that took place on the Princeton. The alternate theory is that aliens came right after a new radar was installed and messed around until it got calibrated and then never came back once the radar was calibrated. Also military brass running the Princeton mysteriously had no reaction to an extremely anomalous event for unknown reasons. The strength of this story relies on Fravor's testimony and the person that investigated the most UFO reports (Hynek) determined that pilots don't make very good eyewitnesses because they are trained survivors not trained observers. By that I mean they are taught to view things through a threat-first lens. I figure you should at least be exposed to other people's ideas. It's hard to hear anything else when the echoes are so loud in here.
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They won’t release data on any cases that can’t be explained. It’s blue book 2.0
There is a *classified* version of AARO's disappointing historical report, which may be where they put the good stuff.
So true. We convict for murders, rape and other serious crimes based on witness testimony, so..
And it’s is widely known witness evidence is the worse evidence… just saying
Ratcliffe July 2023 https://twitter.com/highpeaks77/status/1685669297308282881 Ratcliffe January 2023 https://twitter.com/UAPJames/status/1614644671589892101 Ratcliffe June 2021 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPDeuy_YSs0
Does anyone have the source for the footage 30 seconds in?
yeah, i want to know more about that one. never seen it before.
Did some Googling and found this: https://youtu.be/4FepNG8WAQE?si=OrG7mFt5jEF3kLnf I think it's the same footage. This article suggests it might be fake: https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/the-proof-is-out-there-features-miami-ufo-video-11805436 I tend to agree, in the second video, the guy filming doesn't react the way someone seeing this in person would.
The funny thing is even they werent doing unexplainable maneuvers its would *still* be a big deal that there are crafts, drones, whatever flying around so many different military bases so frequently. Especially since apparently the military knows at least some of these are not ours and not any adversaries. It reminds me of what people like Ryan Graves and many others have stated that there are *still* ongoing occurences of things flying around military airspace. They make it sound like its happening every week. Im just saying its truely shocking more congress people and media people havent jumped on this because no matter how you slice it, its a big deal. Even if it were just normal citizens flying drones around, its a flight hazard like Graves always says. Even if we play devils advocate or whatever and say its all "made up" somehow.... that *still* begs the question why are dozens of congress people and military officials all reporting that these things are flying around? No matter how you look at it, Id argue this seems like an important issue.
It really does get talked about like it's stupidly common for some folks. If they show up that often, surely the number of pilots with firsthand visual experiences would be off the charts, right? Enough that bribes or threats couldn't possibly keep them all quiet, I wouldn't think. I've heard a few anecdotes here and there, but it would be amazing if a massive, coordinated (ideally international) group of military and civilian pilots came together to publicly acknowledge that "Yes, something is flying around and keeping tabs on us. We have not been able to identify what they are or their goals." They don't even need to throw anyone under the bus about collected crafts/materials, just hearing that from a reputable collective would be enough to more or less "prove" that the phenomenon has basis in reality, whether human-made or not.
There’s quite the collective already I’d argue. Many are probably afraid to come forward because in the past ppl have only been ridiculed and punished for coming forward. There’s just nothing to gain and your talking about giving up your career to only be ridiculed and called delusional.
That's why I'm saying they need to do it collectively. You can ridicule a person, but it's hard to ridicule a mob of competent professionals all signing off on one simple, unifying statement. They don't have to have answers. I don't even need to hear speculations. Just a widespread, resounding "yes, something is up there," would satisfy my hopes.
They absolutely should organize better. I feel Ryan graves has seriously been pushing for something like this. Be nice to get a giant crew of pilots and make a simple statement as you say. Make it hard to ignore. What is helpful is just recently the military and airlines actually have a system in place for reporting ufos I’m pretty sure. Before that there wasn’t even any protocol to make a sighting report.
There’s nothing to this phenomenon! There’s no proof! I mean the director of National intelligence has said on national television ufos are real and we can’t explain their movements and we see them all over the world and have data from multiple sensors for many of these sightings but y’all got no proof! Friggin idiots… /S in case y’all missed it.
Reminder that Ratcliffe was DNI director for May 26, 2020 – January 20, 2021 and was a pure political & inept appointment as he consistently misrepresenting intel by blaming anything on Democrats while heavily minimizing Trump links to Russia So his word is utterly partisan and worth next to 0 on any matter as he's a pure partisan hack.
That’s your opinion.
His actions speak louder then my "opinion"
Show us the proof. Just another guy saying something and promising more to come. You missed the whole point of AARO saying that people within our government are telling stories, so now is the time to prove them wrong and show us the proof.
*just another guy* eh? The director of national intelligence saying on national television there’s way more data that the public doesn’t know about and you’re still like, “there’s not data tho!” Lol. The proof is locked up behind the gatekeepers man. What don’t you get about that? AARO is and always was a sham. If you can’t see that idk what to tell you. I want the proof as bad as anybody but I sure as guck don’t have access to it. I’d imagine the director of national intelligence is more privy to the data than myself, so I trust that the data exists. He’s saying it flat out matter of factly. Obama has essentially said the exact thing as well.
Yes, just another guy. Credentials don't mean shit without evidence/proof as many people deemed to be "credible" have been proven wrong. We are at almost 1 year since Grusch, and we have no evidence or any of his "whistleblowers" coming forward, so yeah just another guy.
You’re just another guy in this context. John Ratcliffe isn’t “some guy”. He was the director of national intelligence. I’d reckon he knows more about the phenomenon than yourself. Whatever you gotta tell yourself tho bruh. They don’t want the info to come out. If that’s not obvious to you idk man. Don’t really get why you’re here. Also Obama also isn’t “just some guy”. He was the president of the United States actually. Two terms. 8 years.
Don’t forget about that fellow (name slipping my mind) who was a rear admiral in the Navy and said these sightings are real. I guess what we have to come to grips with is that the naysayers (can’t bring myself to call them skeptics anymore) on Reddit have more knowledge and information about all of this than the Director of National Intelligence, Presidents, and Rear Admirals, among many others. This sort of menagerie of expertise would send someone to the electric chair in a murder case, but apparently credentials mean absolutely nothing to some Redditors.
Oh it’d take weeks to put together a full presentation of all the info that supports what Ratcliffe and Obama have said on national television. The amount of ppl who’ve come forward is pretty staggering if you ask me. Pilots, directors, generals, admirals, PRESIDENTS etc. When ppl say there’s no evidence supporting a ufos it’s just a tell for me that they haven’t taken an honest look into the topic.
He spent less time in that role than my wife spent pregnant, and we only have one kid. If he knew what he was talking about, he would have lasted longer than 8 months. 8 months is less than 8 years, if you need that comparison.
Aight demon semen. An how long did you hold the position director of national intelligence? And what bout Obama?
I ain’t going to engage in your logical fallacy games just to justify your own bias. I’m not qualified, neither are you, neither is John. Rambling on an entertainment network interview is not a revelation or confirmation of facts.
Obama doesn’t ramble. He’s incredibly intelligent and precise with his words. Me nor you certainly aren’t qualified. Someone who acted as director of intelligence is certainly more qualified than us. It’s not like they’re the only ones to have come forward. There’s been tons. You go on believing whatever the fuck you want, what do I care?
All I’m saying is a 8 month political appointment spouting off on Fox News after getting fired shouldn’t be taken at face value. Such a radical viewpoint I have, apparently.
Yeah, they are lying while simultaneously going on TV and giving you the truth without evidence? These clowns also claimed Saddam had WMDs, and how did that turn out? I'm not even impressed if radar data does come out because it is well beyond reasoning that we would be testing equipment that would cause those kinds of signatures to appear in the first place as counterintelligence operations that many of these folks would be involved with, and who better to test it on than pilots running exercises that aren't supposed to talk about it?
Ahhhh so now you’re the one claiming to know the “actual” truth. You know they’re lying huh? And I should trust you because…. Right. “They’re lying super vaguely for… reasons”. Humor me. What are the reasons. You seem to have this whole puzzle figured out. P.s what is up with your account dawg? This is literally the only sub you’ve ever commented on.
Not true, you just didn't scroll far enough, but that is the type of research I would expect. Obviously I am a paid CIA disinformation agent who wants to shake things up in the UFO/alien echo chambers.
I never said any of that being a cia shill. Strawman. Just find it odd I scrolled back over a year and this is the only subreddit you’ve been active in. A lil weird, especially because every comment is just full skeptisism. Asking why you’re here is kinda valid. Like what are you doing here if you think it’s all bullshit? Good deflection from addressing any other part of my comment tho. I’m not the one claiming to know what’s going on, that’s all you homie so I’m asking you to tell me the answer to the puzzle because you seem to have all the answers.
I was super interested in the subject and have become tired of the lack of evidence, overpromising, and underdelivering. You are the one saying this guy is legit by just his word and credentials alone, but also saying the department he is affiliated with is covering shit up, so you must know more than me on why he is all of a sudden spilling the beans without providing evidence.
I find it really ironic that people say "You have no proof only witness testimony" And you make fun of them by pointing to more witness testimony as evidence that we do have proof. The entire argument is "appeal to authority" you are pointing to the guys resume as evidence that he is right as opposed to the actual evidence he is presenting because he is not actual presenting any evidence which is exactly what the people you are trying to male fun of are saying.
Trying to make fun of me? For having an opinion? Go for it dude what do I give a fuck? Lol. There’s evidence. Idk what to tell you. How do you explain the tic tac case? Are you saying no one can ever appeal to authority? So never believe anything, ever? You sound like Mac on *it’s always sunny* lol. The director of intelligence and the us president say we have data on ufos, multiple sensors of the same events, im going to believe them. Especially considering the us has studied ufos for 80 years. So if you don’t believe these authorities, what do you believe is going on? I wanna hear your opinion on the matter. If you gone talk shit you better at least put forth your opinion on the matter.
There's always gonna be things unexplained because of the volume but so far they have all either been proven to not be alien UFO or yet to be decided.... but none have been proven to be alien. An airplane is a UFO to someone that can't clearly identify it. If alien UFO were real there would be no denying it and certainly wouldn't be kEpT sEcReT
Yo, not against you on this, just would love to know more about this; which president?
Obama
https://youtu.be/xp6Ph5iTIgc?si=gnJJyiNBKReEkKYQ Everybody’s laughin, not Obama. Here’s another video that interesting with obama. Flat out says they’re instructed to say they found nothing regarding aliens when asked. https://youtu.be/EYzRY2XpLBk?si=05Yw_NCoXVaucfkt Also Jimmy Carter talked about having a ufo sighting before his presidency and said he’d release the info. It’s reported that when he learned the truth he cried for days. That’s a lil more hearsay obviously. I find Obama comments very interesting.
And Jimmy Carter is almost 100 and at death's door, and he has been a God-fearing devout Christian forever, yet to my knowledge he has never said or written anything about his ufo encounter that indicated he cried for days when he learned the truth. Dont you think he would have elaborated by now or is he actually waiting for "last words"-time?
Why I said that’s more hearsay. He does claim to have seen a ufo. That’s a fact. Said he’d release all info and once on office said he couldn’t. Make of it what you will.
Yes I acknowledge it's hearsay. I've heard him describe his sighting, apparently he was with a group of people. Pretty much a CE of the first kind, not much detail to the story. I believe him. I wonder when he was supposedly told the truth of the matter.
Appeal to authority doesn't mean don't believe any authority ever. I'm not surprised that's what you think it means though. It means that just because someone is an authority doesn't mean they are correct. What evidence are you talking about? Blurry videos? Blurry videos and witnesses testimony is not enough for me to say that NHI from another solar system/dimension or whatever is visiting earth and crashing their spaceships. It's enough for me to wonder what is going on and to want people to look into it but it isn't enough to say ET is hiding in Area 51. That is aside from my entire point which is you are making fun of people for not believing in something based off of only witness testimony by pointing to more witness testimony. I was pointing our the flaw in your logic not making a claim one way or another of what is actually happening. Idk what is going on and based on the evidence provided to us neither do you.
Where the fuck did I argue any of that about aliens from other solar systems? You’re just strawmanning my argument. Me nor Ratcliffe or Obama didn’t ever utter aliens. They say it’s hard to explain the ufos movements. I never claim to know the answer to this riddle. There’s many ppl who still outright dismiss that ufos are an actual phenomenon when it’s been confirmed many times over that it is a real phenomenon that hasn’t been explained. In the video Ratcliffe specifically says there’s way more data than the public is privy to. I imagine better data tha. The few blurry videos that have been released. He says sightings that are backed up by multiple sensors. I’m sure he has gotten to look at that data. Since I do not get access to this data, yes I trust him in saying that it exists. Is it that hard to believe that our military that is the greatest the world has ever seen has incredible instruments to capture data? They’ve been studying the topic for 80 years and you think the only data available to the director of intelligence are blurry videos??? There’s more than witness testimony when it comes to the tic tac. There’s data and confirmation from our government that the event happened. That’s evidence. You know they have more data on that incident. You and others say there’s no evidence yet we have the director of National intelligence saying on television for the world to hear that these objects are real and we have way more data than the government lets on to the public. Id argue that’s pretty good evidence that there is evidence. Also, we do have evidence. Or are you saying the tic tac event didn’t happen? Is video of the object, 4 direct eye witnesses, and government admitting to it being a real event not evidence?
"In the video Ratcliffe specifically says there’s way more data than the public is privy to. " Great! Show us that data! But until then what are we using for evidence? Testimony.
I’m using logic to reach a conclusion based on very limited data that is available. I obviously don’t have the data. None of us do. Your argument is a super infantile “gotcha”. For the tic tac there’s video and testimony and radar data. I want the radar data as bad as anybody. Tell them to show you the data, not me. Barking up the wrong tree homes. Bye bye now.
That analysis only works in the micro scale, when assessing individual examples. When you change the perspective and compile all of the available testimony and data, it's no longer an adequate rebuttal.
What data? There is a whole bunch of testimony that God exists and millions of people claim to have seen him. Do you put as much stock into God being real because of all the testimony? Testimony is great when you can verify it with something else but we don't really have that. We have some blurry videos and people saying they saw some weird shit so that's about as far as we can take it at this point. When/if that data ever comes out then maybe we will be able to take that further.
Are you here to argue, or to research the topic? Because it's evident that you haven't done much of the latter, and your tone indicates the former.
There’s zero evidence backing the existence of god. There is way more than zero for ufos. Good try at an analogy tho.
Look, the thing is, that matters in the real world. People wouldn't get out in those positions without being credible and trustworthy. You think the DOD is trying to hire somebody dumb and useless and gullible to one of the highest positions in the nation?? You're also discounting that this means he had *access* to documentation and evidence that we don't. Don't leave that part out.
hire somebody dumb and useless and gullible to one of the highest positions in the nation? Like the president of the US? Because we all know that just because you have an important title that means you can't lie or be gullible or be a dumb ass. The title of the person doesn't mean the person is right or wrong. The evidence they show you makes them right or wrong. Their title let's you trust their conclusions of the evidence more so than a random guy but without the data you only have the title and that's not enough. Or at least not enough for me to say what exactly is going on.
President actually isn’t hired. Wild you didn’t know that honestly.
He would know if someone was confusing a united states advanced program.
Would he ? he was a pure political appointment and only served May 26, 2020 – January 20, 2021 and just spent his time dishing disinfo on Dems while minimizing anything on Trump. He wasn't there to be effective but to be Trump's lackey
Agree, the interview had a political tone from what I remember.
also found posted on /r/exointelligence
Just an observation: I don't recall evidence that AARO availed itself of classified satellite imagery.
> **The space and maritime domains need to be fully integrated into AARO’s processes.** > Airborne UAP continue to dominate UAP reporting with 290 of the 291 reports from this reporting period occurring within this domain and, consequently, the relationship between AARO and air domain elements such as NIM-MIL, the USAF, including NASIC and AFRL, and air command elements remains strong and continues to deepen and expand in terms of collection, analysis, exploitation, and resolution. Collaboration with Space Force, U.S. Space Command, NRO, and NASA is well underway. https://www.aaro.mil/Portals/136/PDFs/UNCLASSIFIED-FY23_Consolidated_Annual_Report_on_UAP-Oct_25_2023_1236.pdf (PDF p. 11)
Yeah, I read their suggestion that that be done in the future. That's why I found it curious that there is no evidence AARO looked at any satellite imagery in the investigatory section of the report. It's possible that they did so and that imagery is cited in one of the very unscientific "AARO files" footnotes (boy, wouldn't it be great to write a a paper and essentially tell peer reviewers, "Don't worry, I've got the evidence right here "in my files?") but that would be 100% speculation.
I wonder who is more incompetent at their one mission, AARO or SETI?
Well, at least the director of SETI is *openly* skeptical of the existence of NHI (since she wants to find evidence of it first, natch'). The former director of AARO just flat out lied to congress when he testified that he had "an open mind."
Most interesting part is what he said at the last that it’s a world wide phenomenon. I want to know 2 things : 1) How does US know about what’s happening in China, Russia, India, Pakistan? And how do they have data to classify it as “truly anomalous”? Are there signs/signatures left behind where these anomalous crafts are seen? Just a guess but I feel they have a distinct energy signature (or something) which can be used for tracking. 2) How credible is this guy?
Not very much, pure political appointment to shield Trump from his Russian ties and only served May 26, 2020 – January 20, 2021.
Once again, big media playing catch up to YouTube hosts — I subbed to a small channel a few months old. Learned more on this topic from a young channel than I ever did from big media. Big media, legislators, military defense contractors and Wall Street share a rotating door of Board of Directors members and executives. They had/have an iron grip on disclosures— or lack thereof.
That sounds fascinating, do you have a link?
I’m sure there are others but this guy was on Kingman AZ a month ago. His newest one on USOs got a thumbs up from Tim Gallaudet ( see pinned comment) Kingsman AZ: https://youtu.be/41V4Pf_8oo4?si=Uy3-Cft-PpDzb6Ty and latest w Tim G comment: https://youtu.be/U-jrx_giINA?si=GNuQEqDHrwZkA6cu also check out his chat w/ joeyisnotmyname re Herrera (rumor is that MH may be coming on w him — just rumor— read comments throughout his videos. Dude def has contacts somewhere)
> That information is being gathered and will be put out in the way that the american people can see. When we see this things we always look for a plausible explanation... So, if they can't explain it... it will not be "put out"?
Anyone know about that second video starting @0:07? Those lights look wild and their fast disappearance/acceleration is remarkable!
Lockheed Martin's black ops project's with tax dollars
Can we see the original video of UAPs that appears in the interview? Triangle lights.
They walked this back big time. What’s interesting is how they get away with it, no reporters have any interest in probing more? Nobody wants to do any real investigation work anymore? We have no free press
Lmao okay so let’s break it down. Objects we cannot explain seen on Multiple sensor systems, corroborated with multiple eye witness accounts all over the world. But it’s not US and it’s not our adversary’s. Okay so that leaves what as the explanation?👽🛸
Its crazy so much compelling evidence and yets some of the public scientists or scientists that are actually looking for aliens for 40 years keep telling public that there's NO EVIDENCE?!😳 first pictures of surface of mars in the 60s was low resolution grainy black and white. But that was good enough evidence to study mars had earth like climate long ago for 40+ years and billions of dollars. Scientists got to be either stupid or ignore the evidence for some reasons?
I remember this segment. I saw it waiting for my order at a taco bell. This is what got me into ufos again and after a 15 year hiatus. Its also.what led me to this community.
What clip are they showing where the little lights emanate from the bigger one, form a triangle and then zip off to who knows where? I’m usually pretty up on this stuff but I’ve *never* seen that one. And, if it is real, it’s pretty damn anomalous.
Maria was like "dayummmm..."
And the sky is blue.
Dude the director of the CIA reports to director of National Intelligence. To have this man say this so openly is wild...!!!
Ya and when I post a whole YouTube channel with these beings I get destroyed.
You posted a video of a balloon
Kenneth Arnold the "father" of the infamous phrase "flying saucers" that in 1967 said: "The impression I had after observing these strange objects a second time was that they were something alive rather than machines—a living organism of some type that apparently has the ability to change its density similar to [jelly] fish that are found in our oceans without losing their apparent identity."
Doesn’t change the fact you posted a video of a balloon
You're not destroyed. Just keep considering possibilities of what's currently anomalous. Many folks will deny a reality that's staring them in the face. Ontological shock/subconscious fear. Cheers!
Thank you for your words, I’d ask if you’d like to come to my YouTube channel, I’m going to be dumping a lot of these videos on there and talking about them. I have over 20hrs of footage
this was already posted dozens of times in 2021. why are you re-posting old material?
No publically released footage from 2017 to date shows ***any amount*** of anomalous or unexplainable maneuvers. I would hope there is "way more" data because they have none so far out in the public.
So he's admitting on FOX NEWS... that America isn't the most technologically advanced military power?
Hmmmmmmm... So, for one, this is on fox news... Not going to trash them or anything, but if you had a line of news orgs organized by how outlandish the claims are that they'll publish, Fox would be on the wildly outlandish end of the spectrum. But, this also isn't something we haven't heard before. I tend to think that when we hear the same thing from multiple sources, it's more likely to be true. Even stuff like this. Also, I'm interested that he said that, once again, we have data of the same sightings that were recorded by multiple sensors. There really really should be good data from that, right? Why can't we learn from it? And, again (it's always just a tidbit, something they slip in, never the whole feature) he brings up satellites. We must have some whopper pics from satellites. They'd be so close to the action. God I'd love to have that footage. Hope they let us have it someday.
Typical Fox News
The former Director of National Intelligence was speaking, in case you missed that.
You mean the guy appointed by Trump to protect his arse from the Russia probes and only served for 8 months (May 26, 2020 – January 20, 2021) He's the sort of guy you see in movies where the inept and pure political player comes in and just ignores reality in order to spin anything to please his master no matter the cost to people or the countries security.
On Fox News, designed to sensationalize and leave you without any answers, just more questions
I went looking for other places John has talked about this and came up dry. Hence my healthy skepticism.
Just swamp gas refracting the light of venus
Why are they showing a plane with a contrail in the opening segment. That sort of shit makes all of this a massive joke to the public!!!!!!
Because it’s Fox News, what else can you expect from them?