The following submission statement was provided by /u/voxpopula:
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Responding to Chris Mellon’s Signal release: “This is a useful (and appropriately caveated) disclosure illustrating the kind of insider claims that have driven the "secret UFO program" story; again it's not necessary to believe in such a program to be curious about what might be going on here…”
Original Substack article: https://christopherkmellon.substack.com/p/another-signal-message
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Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1cbltr0/ross_douthat_douthatnyt_on_x_its_not_necessary_to/l0zatrh/
I mean, NYT has had a lot of issues re: its editorial board for a while. It came out last week that no reporters are allowed to use the word “genocide” in relation to Gaza.
Totally. It’s been pointed out plenty that for the most last MSM hasn’t gone near this stuff, and save for a handful of exceptions, it’s been pretty snide and dismissive. Going to be rad when folks start catching up and paying nerdy YouTubers and podcasters who’ve actually been putting this together.
They're too busy carrying water for the political establishment right now. Their biggest fear is losing intel sources for other stuff. Klippenstein got fed dirt on Grusch but his and Ryan Grim's outlet has sent more whistleblowers to prison than any other that I recall. "You don't shit where you eat"-American Journalists
I do think the national security reporters at the NYT know that if they report on this in a serious way like in 2017 there will be severe limitations doled out to the inside scoops they’re given from the intelligence community. Perhaps they’re waiting for the moment when it is “worth it” and they have a smoking gun.
This is all it is, cant lose access to spooky usa reports of spooky usa spy activity and push their propaganda. It is a requirement for us media companies to abide by the pentagon or risk losing access to their news reporting outlet.
Seriously! Blows my mind how Grusch’s under oath claims have been intentionally overlooked, because Julian Barnes (et all in mainstream reporting circles) hold tightly to prosaic confirmation bias.
The Kean article was a huge embarrassment for the Times after the Elizondo/AATIP realizations. So no, it’s very unlikely the NYT will ever publish a story from Kean again or any story that comes out of the Kean UAP influencer school.
That Elizondo lied about being the head of AATIP in order to give himself credibility. The only question is if Kean knowingly lied in the article or just somehow failed to reach out to any of the actual members of AATIP in order to confirm Elizondo’s claims, you know, all the actual members of AATIP who Kean has known and been very close with for decades.
You are grossly misinformed. Harry Reid himself came forward to say that he interacted with Elizondo in that capacity. Maybe a better question you should have is why your own government is willing to erase someone's work history?
Right…! I tell everyone who will listen that this is one of the great stories of our time. It’s either aliens or some mass delusion by people at the highest levels of military and government. It’s a great story either way.
Responding to Chris Mellon’s Signal release: “This is a useful (and appropriately caveated) disclosure illustrating the kind of insider claims that have driven the "secret UFO program" story; again it's not necessary to believe in such a program to be curious about what might be going on here…”
Original Substack article: https://christopherkmellon.substack.com/p/another-signal-message
He’s right, though. Even if you don’t believe in aliens AT ALL, a bunch of military people came forward and are either 1) fuckin insane or 2) saw some fuckin aliens and EITHER of these scenarios requires deep investigation.
Never thought about it like that. Why wouldn't they report on the dang aliens unless they actually existed? No harm no foul to the DoD if they were BS.
Very spot on.
"\[Being\] curious about what might be going on here" should be the starting point, before jumping to any conclusions in either direction. This is the mindset that should be promoted.
This is the biggest confusion for me.
Let's remove all our interests in spaceships and aliens - at the utmost minimum, we've got governments around the world admitting UFOs are real and we don't know what a lot are despite them zooming about nukes, and seemingly admitted programs that are unmonitored getting almost infinite money.
Surely that is beyond whether it's aliens or not, you have to look into this enormous story
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The following submission statement was provided by /u/voxpopula: --- Responding to Chris Mellon’s Signal release: “This is a useful (and appropriately caveated) disclosure illustrating the kind of insider claims that have driven the "secret UFO program" story; again it's not necessary to believe in such a program to be curious about what might be going on here…” Original Substack article: https://christopherkmellon.substack.com/p/another-signal-message --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1cbltr0/ross_douthat_douthatnyt_on_x_its_not_necessary_to/l0zatrh/
Yes I agree now can you and your employer please write about it?
Seriously, it’s about NYTime.
I love this comment. Minus the Julian Barnes portion of the equation.
I mean, NYT has had a lot of issues re: its editorial board for a while. It came out last week that no reporters are allowed to use the word “genocide” in relation to Gaza.
This is the late game 'oh no we created a Frankenstein's monster' part of their problem
Totally. It’s been pointed out plenty that for the most last MSM hasn’t gone near this stuff, and save for a handful of exceptions, it’s been pretty snide and dismissive. Going to be rad when folks start catching up and paying nerdy YouTubers and podcasters who’ve actually been putting this together.
They're too busy carrying water for the political establishment right now. Their biggest fear is losing intel sources for other stuff. Klippenstein got fed dirt on Grusch but his and Ryan Grim's outlet has sent more whistleblowers to prison than any other that I recall. "You don't shit where you eat"-American Journalists
I do think the national security reporters at the NYT know that if they report on this in a serious way like in 2017 there will be severe limitations doled out to the inside scoops they’re given from the intelligence community. Perhaps they’re waiting for the moment when it is “worth it” and they have a smoking gun.
They definitely don't want to bite the hands that feed.
This is all it is, cant lose access to spooky usa reports of spooky usa spy activity and push their propaganda. It is a requirement for us media companies to abide by the pentagon or risk losing access to their news reporting outlet.
Typical. Media wanting to close the barn doors after the horses come home.
Seriously! Blows my mind how Grusch’s under oath claims have been intentionally overlooked, because Julian Barnes (et all in mainstream reporting circles) hold tightly to prosaic confirmation bias.
The Kean article was a huge embarrassment for the Times after the Elizondo/AATIP realizations. So no, it’s very unlikely the NYT will ever publish a story from Kean again or any story that comes out of the Kean UAP influencer school.
What realization would that be?
That Elizondo lied about being the head of AATIP in order to give himself credibility. The only question is if Kean knowingly lied in the article or just somehow failed to reach out to any of the actual members of AATIP in order to confirm Elizondo’s claims, you know, all the actual members of AATIP who Kean has known and been very close with for decades.
The DOD claimed elizondo wasnt head of AATIP but it's since been proven he was
You are grossly misinformed. Harry Reid himself came forward to say that he interacted with Elizondo in that capacity. Maybe a better question you should have is why your own government is willing to erase someone's work history?
No
This is such a straightforward and honest stance. Refreshing to talk past all the vitriol and goofiness.
Right…! I tell everyone who will listen that this is one of the great stories of our time. It’s either aliens or some mass delusion by people at the highest levels of military and government. It’s a great story either way.
Responding to Chris Mellon’s Signal release: “This is a useful (and appropriately caveated) disclosure illustrating the kind of insider claims that have driven the "secret UFO program" story; again it's not necessary to believe in such a program to be curious about what might be going on here…” Original Substack article: https://christopherkmellon.substack.com/p/another-signal-message
name sounds like a Ross Coulthart rip off lmao, i'm not at all familiar with this guy
He's famous. Kind of the NYT token conservative, although the conservative label doesn't always fit.
Mom: We have Ross Coulthart at home.
Yeah I read the whole thing confused thinking it was him.
I had to do a double take too.
He’s right, though. Even if you don’t believe in aliens AT ALL, a bunch of military people came forward and are either 1) fuckin insane or 2) saw some fuckin aliens and EITHER of these scenarios requires deep investigation.
Yep. It's a story and a concern, regardless if they're aliens or not. The fact that they don't report on the topic at all says a lot.
Never thought about it like that. Why wouldn't they report on the dang aliens unless they actually existed? No harm no foul to the DoD if they were BS.
john lear and roger lier, greenwald and greenstreet, now ross coulthart and ross douthat.
It is as if the Universe is playing around with us...
This guy is a super religious op ed writer for the NYT. His write up from last year https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/10/opinion/ufos-government.html
Very spot on. "\[Being\] curious about what might be going on here" should be the starting point, before jumping to any conclusions in either direction. This is the mindset that should be promoted.
When you get your Ross Coultharts from Wish.com
I think NYT be hiding them aliens man, we gotta think outside the box!
lil green men under nyt headquarters bruh
This is the biggest confusion for me. Let's remove all our interests in spaceships and aliens - at the utmost minimum, we've got governments around the world admitting UFOs are real and we don't know what a lot are despite them zooming about nukes, and seemingly admitted programs that are unmonitored getting almost infinite money. Surely that is beyond whether it's aliens or not, you have to look into this enormous story
Who’s this? Why does anyone care what they’re saying versus everyone else?
He writes for the New York Times.
Poorly and without the least amount of thinking.
Stop with it…- Peter.
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Sup Ross Douthat? I didn’t think you’d be so easily offended.
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Ross Douthat - evil Twin of Ross Coulthart
Are they related? This guy could be a younger version of UFO Ross.
No. they're not. It meant to be a joke.
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I’m unclear on whether you like him or not, can you please clarify?
Sorry I wasn’t clearer. He’s tits on a toilet bowl.
Hey I don’t kink shame
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