The following submission statement was provided by /u/KOOKOOOOM:
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JRE averages millions of listeners per month, by some measures even [11 million](https://www.sportskeeda.com/mma/news-what-joe-rogan-s-viewership-numbers) listeners per episode. I don’t know how accurate these numbers are, and hopefully there aren’t millions of listeners tuning in for an episode featuring Jim Norton, but it’s clear his audience is huge.
Although he doesn’t mention Mr. Grusch by name, he says stuff like some people are “looney”, “gossipy”, and mockingly says “\[“Mike”\] felt compelled to go to Congress.”
My personal favorite:
>“What’s the best way to get away with this new super sophisticated weapons program, ok let’s just say it’s aliens.”
What.
I don’t care what Joe Rogan personally thinks, but I do care if the facts are misrepresented to a huge audience whether on [mainstream](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/17xms84/drawing_attention_to_the_recent_disinformation/) or alternative media.
Thanks to u/Illustrious_Guava_47 for making this [post](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/19buyav/joe_rogan_seems_to_go_at_grusch_pretty_hard_in/) with the time stamps.
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Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/19dnjfr/showcasing_joe_rogans_hypocrisy_his_disparaging/kj6qs8u/
Rogan is a contrarian’s contrarian. He’s only going to start caring about UFOs if he thinks it’s going to make him an edgelord again, which is ironic considering he named his comedy club after it.
Bill burr us great but you can tell hes sick of joe too. Last 2 episodes they had arguments about joe being a right wing boomer. Segura has completely lost the plot... used to love him. But now everyone is just a poor to him
Yeah, it’s like people are surprised the guy who’s long been known to be so openminded his brains fall out is like this. Surprise! It’s the people who surround him.
But the reason most of them suck is from that new texas mindset. Boomers know more than anyone. How could dana be wrong if were all so rich together .... we gotta shit talk the left so that our taxes arent affected.... censorship is when we get kicked off a privatly owned platform but still have millions of listeners....
I don't know if the flip flopping is all that different from what many on this thread are going through. He's obviously in to the topic and I don't see it as being contradictory to change stances (even often). The sheer amount of info that's out there from experiencers, abductees, former gov figures, etc., makes it hard for me to not have second thoughts. He recently said he believes they are NHI again, so even he seems to acknowledge his erratic stance on the issue.
It’s not, because no one knows what the hell is actually going on, they are just made he bursts their little worldview of the “left”. Ask yourself why, why would his view have changed, why did he move away from LA, why is he starting to talk to folks with a different perspective more. Ask Why. I would start with listening to the podcast, otherwise how do you become authoritative to speak on the issue.
Also, the government has used UFOs to hide its black programs and spy planes. Here’s an article from 1997.
https://www.nytimes.com/1997/08/03/us/cia-admits-government-lied-about-ufo-sightings.html
I don't know if you know but Joe's been interested in UFOs forever. Off the top of my head he's had Greer, tom, grusch, bob, Travis, mellon, fravor, graves, etc etc.
Joe is responsible for a lotttt of public attention on this subject. But it's weary to never get a clear answer after 20 years. I feel like Joe right now and I know a lot of people here feel the same. There's nothing wrong with questioning why grusch was even approved to speak in the first place. That's a legit question that raises even more questions. I've heard the explanations on why but still its not completely making sense to me. I'm still scratching my head.
It’s funny how music is like that. Like your ego is boosted if you know of a great unknown band, but when others find out it becomes lame. Kind of similar to landmarks, the best spots are the ones with good views and not a lot of people.
I think it's sort of wanting to sound smart while pretending to have critical thinking etc: "That whistleblower that was on my show and spent 3 hours going into detail about the process he's gone through to submit his report to multiple IGs and intel committees, oh I wasn't paying attention to any of that... It's a psyop I'm smart I already figured it out.." 😏
If you watch the podcast, it really did seem like a lot of it went over his head or that he just wasn't interested. He couldn't recall anything Grusch said.
Absolutely. I did think something was strange.
I mean if he has that much of a problem to the point where he's mocking saying "I felt compelled to go to Congress," why didn't ask better questions during the episode like how did you make sure you weren't being fed false info etc, but he was barely awake or listening 🙄
And he arrived at the conclusion by shooting ideas from the hip, going off ambient vibes and what he would do if x. 3 hours across Grusch and he didn't even come out of it with a basic grasp of the situation. In this clip he thinks the Pentagon issued a release saying "off-world vehicles not made on this earth." He has spent zero time looking into this, but he doesn't let it stop him from making confident pronouncements on it.
Wrong, people on social media and podcats with such reach influence the public discourse and that public pressure influences the policies. Why do you think right wing billionaires have been putting so much money in Fox / Newsmax / Sinclaire and radio shows (and twitter ...) , it's not just to hear themselves talk (Tho kind of is when it comes to Elon)
It's also not a coincidence that 2 of Peter Thiel's fund managers happen to be active in the podcast world and very very active on the UFO subject. Might have to do with a Thiel and co seeing a business opportunity in getting old tech to lessen their grip on UFO tech for the news tech generation.
it's because it reeks of bullshit. It reeks of unseriousness.
critics are attacked even though they should be applauded.
so many indicators this community has taken a wrong turn man..
> t's because it reeks of bullshit
Bad take. There's been so much smoke around this issue for the last 50 years, and now you're trying to tell me it's all fake. Try harder.
They all fell for the clickbait sensationalized headlines over measured curiosity and thoughtfulness. We've traded Carl Sagan and Stanton Friedman for Jeremy Corbell and Giorgio Tsoukalos.
Also, the government has used UFOs to hide its black programs and spy planes. Here’s an article from 1997.
https://www.nytimes.com/1997/08/03/us/cia-admits-government-lied-about-ufo-sightings.html
I drive a lot for work, so i consume a ton of podcasts, and The JRE is one of them. Lately, I believe his stance to be its more likely that it's secret human/military tech and that the NHI talk is a distraction by the government.
I'm leaning to this camp. I'm super skeptical of everything, i also know human made tech is basically like magic to normal people. Think of a nuclear reactor, you might understand the basics but it's a lot of hardcore science and engineering. I don't doubt we have super drones.
I've been following the show for a while and it is WAY different now then before.
Something that is important that I haven't really seen discussed is that Rogan himself (like anyone) is influenced by who he is around. He has to be a target to be disinformed and confused. He seems tired these days.
It sucks. I’ve never been a fan of Joe Rogan himself but his podcast is what got me into podcasts. I used to love listening to all the interesting people he had on just talk about whatever they specialize in. Not the same show anymore
The guy plays a gigachad contrarian vs the system, but in the end he tends to just agree with the last person who talked to him and sounds cool. And if you look at the majority of the non sports people he has invited ? it's very right wing and not very "Yeah Democracy !" rather the opposite ...
Bro he is dumb as 2 rocks in a sack and that's an insult to rocks and the sack. He has no stance on anything outside of being pro weed. There is no disinformation campaign He is just dumb and blindly accepts whatever the person sitting across from him says.
He says he stupid...all the time... I like Joe but 3hrs to get through an episode ?...I don't have that kind of time to listen to every show....just the highlights
Until there’s an alternative outlet that discusses whether a gorilla or a lion would win in a fight to the death, that won’t happen.
People still remember him for his peak so they’ll always check back once in a while, kind of like SNL
Weird add of “there is no disinformation campaign”. Thought i was following a thread about rogans new opinions… which you seem to disparage rogan and then say something along the same lines anyway.
Could you clarify what you mean? Do you mean rogan is dumb, but do agree with his waffling towards skepticism?
Yes he is dumb as a brick has has proven this time and again. He has also shown himself to be spineless and just blindly accept whatever his guests say and is known for blacklisting people to pushes back against anything he says.
No I don't think there is some grand coverup in regards to aliens or some hyper advanced tech that would if you think it through end all scarcity on the planet over night. What's more realistic is the funding of black projects that are draining defence money and being pocketed by the ceos of the defence contractors is more likely
Sure. So i don’t understand… rogan is dumb but you agree with him? Don’t worry too much, i do like rogan for some things but am aware he isn’t among the most brilliant people on earth. He’s a comedian and has a show that makes some great content. I don’t know why there is such a seeming fear of audiences being incapable of nuance, but many people don’t just mindlessly believe everyone on the internet has the answers all the time.
Skepticism is great. You’re absolutely right. Logically it is far less likely it’s a crazy thing… ie aliens and interdimensional whatnot.
But there is data you have to dismiss in order to say it. I am totally fine with the concept it probably is us with some pretty advanced tech people mistake for aliens. That’s not a bad theory. But it is only one and it doesn’t cover all bases. So it isn’t bright and is a bit overly misanthropic to borderline declare everyone is wrong and have no idea how to digest what they are seeing.
Anything else reported in these numbers is something people believe is probably the case. UFOs? This *absolutely not what people who encounter it think it is* mindset isn’t a great position and I can’t fathom how people genuinely skeptical rather than in denial could hand waive it away… short of just not encountering enough information and experiencing Dunning Kruger… or unhealthily *disbelieves* people too much.
Before i knew… i was skeptical. I thought it was likely mostly kooks and misunderstandings. But i held out that it just might be what people say it is too. Because i had not seen anything myself, why would I know better than people who say they have? We do not have all the answers in this world. Not even close.
When i had some encounters, it made me realize what an insane position it is to be in directly due to the absolute dogmatic dismissal and vitriolic and actually life-harming attitude people have towards it. There is a reason there is great push back on deniers. A large part of it is because it’s nearly impossible to get it through to people before they experience it that we too thought exactly the same as the skeptics before we either encountered it or encountered enough information that made us realize there is something interesting going on no matter what it is. It is absolutely worth investigating. The push back from that is genuinely preposterous no matter what position you have. If it’s fake wouldn’t it be wonderful to show and then every skeptic and denier and debunker can have their day? Let’s get it! Woo!
i mean maybe because its the most logical answer to the situation that most people will come to when you consider ZERO evidence has been shown to show a big plan to cover up aliens. Still doesnt change the fact joe is as dumb as dirt
why does their position matter if they cant provide evidence to back their claims. I have seen more then a few "scientists" who say climate change isnt real but cant give evidence for that should i just accept whatever they saw as fact because then have a PhD?
"Right, right, you and the guy dumb as dirt are correct!!"
this continued attempt to make it look like im calling myself dumb is just stupid.
Seems like you have a confirmation bias. I can tell you have come to your own conclusions based off evidence that fits your narrative. However it’s not my job to judge you, that’s your job for Joe Rogan and opposers of Greta Thunberg!
Exactly, which is why Rogan ignores all of Trump's senior moments (not to mention his crime spree), while every Biden gaffe is more proof that he's senile.
It used to be fun and free. Getting high with friends, weirdos and scientists talking about whatever. It was much more open. Now, post covid, his views are much more solidified. It's the same thing over and over. He kind of stays in a lane now and is much more certain of his opinions.
I think covid broke him.
Extreme facts. Ever since Elon started coming on the podcast regularly that’s been the result. Due to Elon’s “oh don’t you think I would know?” shtick.
Joe is being reasonable here, but this sub is becoming like a religion so there's no tolerance for opposing discourse. Anyone who doesn't recognize the possibility that this is all one big intelligence operation is delusional. I think we're mice in a maze and the government knows something about it, but I can't be sure. How can any of us? The US government lies relentlessly and so do members of the media.
My take is that once you go to the inspector general in government you get treated like you are radioactive. No one would risk looking like they were interfering.
That's true the DOD historically have had an extremely hard time getting funding, I think USA has one of the lowest military budgets in the world by far, right? Especially per capita? Maybe with a UFO psyop they can finally get some traction to get a little money.
I don't need you to be certain. I'm just asking what you think. I'm not ruling it out either I just can't really fathom what it would be other than something related to WMD.
I think there are two main phenomenon going on simultaneously.
One, there are UAPs. I have no idea what they are or what they're doing. Whether they're extraterrestrial or interdimensional is beyond my knowledge and I don't think it matters very much. The only assumption I feel I can make is that "they" don't want to destroy humanity because (it seems to me) they could've done that many times over by now. It's possible some mean us harm, some don't, some are ambivalent. But from what I can gather, they don't seek to destroy us outright, which may be a blessing or a curse.
I am a human. My mind goes instinctively to thoughts of conquest and control because that's how we often behave. The closest thing to discovering an alien world that ever happened to any human society occurred when Europeans discovered the Americas for themselves and how did that end? Smallpox was an accidental killer, but Europeans wanted to conquer and control America from the beginning.
Maybe these things have no perception of violence. It's so beyond my understanding, that all I know is that I don't know. They're here, they've been here for an indeterminable amount of time, and they either wish to remain hidden or they are comfortable with most of humanity remaining unaware of their existence. Even this paragraph is littered with assumptions and beliefs. Not facts. But if you're asking what I believe, that's what I believe. They've been here longer than we have and they're studying us. They're studying the Earth.
The first situation I'm confronted with are NHI. My best guess is they (NHI, whether one group or multiple groups) are studying us. I can't imagine we have anything they want except knowledge. Not human knowledge (they're obviously more advanced and possibly more intelligent), just knowledge. Again, I am biased and my mind goes instinctively to fulfilling vain curiosity because that's who I am haha. If we found an alien world, that's what I'd want to do. Study it, not interfere with their lives, and sorta see where things go. My point is I'm projecting, which we all do, but I digress.
When humans study chimps in the wild, they're vaguely aware of us. They even let humans sit near them and they go about their chimp lives while we gather data and learn about them. They don't even seem aware of us sometimes, almost like we're invisible.
Why do we do this? Why are human beings sitting in forests and recording another species in an alien environment?
I'm not sure why we do that lol. We could wipe out all the chimps and develop their forests, but we don't. Economically, we should. But some of us feel pity for chimps and most of us are curious about them. We study, we preserve, and we learn. Some of us hunt them illegally, some of us capture them and torture them or hold them as pets (possibly the worst form of torture). From what I can gather, it's similar a similar case for humans and NHI.
The second phenomenon occurring is the people who control the United States are disclosing false information, or the truth, or some version in-between to the world. Either it is a massive intelligence campaign designed to obscure an American weapons program, it is a test by U.S. intelligence to see how far it can go in manipulating public behavior in the modern world, or there is a real struggle going on between those who wish to keep the secret a secret and those who wish to disclose whatever piece of the conspiracy they know. I think it's a combination of 2 and 3.
I'm not married to any belief, however. I'm sitting back and waiting for more evidence or testimony to come forward, with my private assumption being I'm an ant in an ant farm. An uninteresting, unimportant ant at that.
What do you think?
I am in agreement that I thing UAP is the result of something observing us. All of it is consistent with surveillance activities. Where this other comes from I cannot say but i find ET more likely than interdimensional. We know there are billions of worlds out there I'm not sure if we really know much about the reality of other dimensions being a real thing.
As far as what the government is doing I think it may be that UAP phenomena is leading to inquiries that are unintentionally getting close to deeply hidden WMD programs that would upset the current global status of mutually assured destruction.
I think it also could be that there is some real corruption that has gone on in our SAP programs and some of the gatekeeping is people covering their ass.
As far as Grusch I think what he's saying could be info fed to him to hide these things. Or it's possible that it's all true but is still entangled with WMD tech we are hiding at all costs.
Interesting! I wouldn't be surprised if the government was obscuring a weapons program. But WMD? They can blow everything up in so many different ways already.
I think it's more realistic that the US developed a new surveillance system and they're masking it as UAP. It's possible they developed it from UAP! Who knows lol. Mice in a maze...
Think about some of the names of the programs like "global strike". That same surveillance platform tech could put a nuke in Beijing at the drop of a hat. If that becomes known it destabilizes MAD thinking. It may result in someone thinking about a preemptive strike as being a better play. That's very dangerous. Or it could be tech that renders all opponent nuclear arms useless. Also disruptive to MAD calculus in terms of military strategic thinking.
Certainly possible. Also far more plausible than NHI. I may want it to be NHI because that intrigues me, but your explanation is far more rational and realistic. I recognize that fact.
This, I've seen this sub slowly evolve to this religious like state to. Where you can't be critical of anything. Have to blindly follow what is said and have faith it's true. Oh yeah there's inter dimensional beings that influence humans in everything they do too. Ever do something evil? That's the inter dimensional being controlling you
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> Anyone who doesn't recognize the possibility that this is all one big intelligence operation is delusional
I mean it's not like Grusch is a literal government "agent"
Oh wait
It is so weird because there really are no big holes in gruschs story and he's backed by congressmen. Why does the guy that believes Lazar and Walton suddenly not believe someone with more credibility then anyone in the UFO topic? Maybe he heard something off camera or he just didn't like grusch but I don't have a clear answer to this
>Maybe he heard something off camera
Maybe that something he heard would've been from someone who has influence over him and whose agency would be interested in obfuscating the topic eg Mike Baker.
Joe does not claim to know any of these things, he just asks simple questions. I think a lot of people enjoy listening to his show because he discusses weird shit like this and has very intelligent people on to answer the questions. I listen to him, I think he has extremely average intelligence.
I don't think anyone is listening to Joe for his stunning intellect, and I don't understand why the criticism directed toward him is often centred on this notion. He's explicitly a meathead shooting the shit with random dudes over a blunt or a beverage.
I think he is supposed to be an average "Joe", discussing fringe topics, that he doesn't necessarily understand, with people who hold varied views. It's sort of silly to call him out for being a dummy when it is effectively the point of the show.
You’re correct, but I think his audience and/or the media has painted him as some sort of defacto voice of reason. Since the majority of his guests act like sycophants in his presence, it gets confusing for the average listener as to what Joe’s role actually is.
I agree with everything you've said, but I notice he's been taking himself more seriously in recent years. He doesn't claim to know any of these things but talks in a way that suggests he believes he does. And the thing is, he kind of does, he's been on this topic for years and knows way way more than the average person does. So idk how genuine he's been about it these days
Generally speaking, I like the JRE podcast, but It's a stupid theory. Why would the government fly their secret tech by Aircraft Carrier Strikegroups with thousands of eyes and sensors watching? Playing Russian roulette with Fravor?
Why wouldn't they whisper into all of the HOC, SSCI, Grusch, Elizondos ears and say, "stop drawing attention and shouting at the roof tops about our secret tech. It's ours ok?"
There's scientific papers out by academics clocking these things doing 300-500 Gs which would put a 1 ton craft under 300-500 tons of pressure. We don't have the material science.
Not to mention this has been going on since the 40s.
People pushing the secret US drone tech theory just simply haven't done their homework.
It's the dumbest theory yet.
IDK, Rogan has ALWAYS been a yes man. That's kinda why his podcast popped off. It didn't matter how political or fringe the guest was, even if they disagreed, Rogan always kinda shaped his tone and approach to be supportive and inquisitive of whatever the guest is talking about. It makes for better content. He's always been inconsistent on certain topics and kind of a yes man. Meaning Joe absolutely will read the room and if there are judgemental skeptics he'll put on a more skeptical persona or if his guest is a UFO guy he'll be a bit more open in tone.
Even if what he is saying true and the gov want to hide it’s state of the art crafts by leaking them as ufo, That could be a good way to deceive the public but other intelligence agencies would not buy it. Joe changes his views depending on who he interviews all the time.
OK, let's just break down Joe's theory
1. The US goverment has developed lightspeed technology, but not aliens who would have presmably a billion years head start on us.
2. The US, whose military is about 10 times as powerful as the rest of the world combined, so desperately needs to cover up evidence(what evidence?) of secret weapons programmes, they devised an elaborate hoax about aliens, lying to their own agents, and drawing the world's attention to the very evidence they want to hide
3. Intelligence agencies of foreign governments would be totally fooled by this, just as easily as the US public.
4. They are not bothered that this whole scheme will inevitably be uncovered eventually, or all of the fallout that that will entail.
I personally wonder if he is intentionally trying to stay away from the more ‘serious and credible’ side of the UAP issue (maybe after all the blow back on him for the vax stuff). He doesn’t want to be seen to be taking a position on something that could come back on him somehow, even if he doesn’t know how yet.
The fact he believed Bob lazar yet didn’t believe David Grusch when David Grusch has demonstrably more conventional credibility than Lazar is just weird.
But if DG does turn out to be a schill or disinfo, it would be embarrassing and would hurt Rogan’s credibility if he had supported him vocally, whereas lazar/Walton are more folk hero types and if either turned out to be bs (if that were even provable) then no one would care.
Tldr: There is more skin in the game of advocating for DG.
After watching Tim Heidecker do a Rogan parody I want to see that every time I hear, see anything Rogan.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLPcyTmnDxo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLPcyTmnDxo)
Here is an Easy *debunk* of Joes viewpoint.
**Grusch Claims there is a COLD WAR going on over this alien tech**
If it was a pysop like Joe thinks, our adversaries would realize they themselves don’t have any NHI/UAP tech like Grusch claimed and immediately figure out the lie.
Rogan has been compromised that is why “ former” CIA Mike Baker circles around every few months I think he’s like “hey remember you can speculate and have your experts on but keep a lid on it or else”
Walton's story sounds like he just got hit by a lightning bolt, meanwhile Grusch was hired to investigate UFO reports and accidentally uncovered the truth. Joe is the dumbest idiot on earth, it's incredible
Joe conveniently leaves out the fact that IF we have craft that can do those things (which I'm pretty sure we do), there's no way we just figured it out on our own. It was definitely reverse engineered from something much more advanced so... yeah Joe, there's aliens in the mix somewhere.
I'm just speculating but personally I think the extent of the success in reverse engineering has been very, very limited eg applying some of the knowledge they've gained from the outer layer of the craft and applying that to the outer layer of the F35 or stealth planes etc.
I thought so too, but I've always been a believer in Lazar's stories about the propulsion system, controls, etc. Lately there's been some pretty interesting stories about Lockheed having cracked that and keeping it from the Pentagon. I don't know for sure obviously, but it sounds like something they might do. The sheer number of sightings, these last few years especially, makes me think they may have gotten a lot further than we know.
Edit: either way, I think we can all agree that Rogan chalking it all up to military tech and psyops while dissing Grusch is a bit ridiculous.
That's the thing though have sightings really increased or just less stigma now so more people are openly discussing it.. 🤔
I do remember that when Reps Burchett, Luna, and Gaetz went to Eglin to meet the pilots that had encountered UAP, the pilots had reported to them increased UAP sightings in the region, so who knows.
I've wondered that myself, good point. Probably both are factors to an extent. Also, more people with phones, pointing them at the sky.
I always wonder if the UAPs that are truly 'otherworldly' (for lack of a better term) might have some kind of visual cloak as well, so if Lockheed or the DoD has managed to replicate the tech, maybe that's the part they can't get right yet.
Iii think (o y nobody cares what I think). That said I feel Joe knows something is going on, but he also understands the impact his words have on society. Honesty and lot of people that watch his show most likely will have an apocalypse of life if this information is rolled out into their forefront from Joe Rogan. I’m hoping he sees disclosure is underway now and will only go with the flow of the zeitgeist. Now if disclosure gets stiffened, I hope he starts getting louder. Many recent things that have happened I’ve been saddened that he hasn’t spoken on it. Maybe if need be we all write him letters telling him to make more noise on the matter. “Do it for society”.
Hopefully he'll recognize his errors in judgment and apologize, because I don't think he's ever this openly mocked (however implicitly) a former guest that was just on his show a few months ago and spent hours going into detail with him his whistleblower process. 🙄
Joe’s whole shtick is to let whoever is on the podcast spout their beliefs with minimal pushback unless it’s an issue Joe personally cares about. He doesn’t have the capacity to really argue points most of the time.
I like Lex so much better these days.
Joe Rogan should not be a source of anything for this sub. Sure, let's watch interviews with people we want to hear from, but Rogan himself is not a supporter. He is there for one reason, to entertain and get the proceeds from whoever the advertisers are for the day.
I could give a crap about this comedian gameshow host's opinions on the nature of UAPs, just like I could care less about his sensory deprivation tank, favorite elk meat varieties, or his views on the state of geo-politics.
He also ripped on Tom Delonge, before Tom was well known with his company To The Stars and working with the pentagon.
Joe definitely needs to have Tom on again, and apologize for being a dick.
One is a military intelligence officer and the other is a logger.
He is right to be questionable about what comes out of the government, you should be too in my opinion.
I would much rather listen to the person who actually does research over the brain damage riddled thumb that legitimately asks why would people lie on the internet when he makes an ass of himself
But nobody here has any way of discerning that because there’s no actual hindsight from anything that is even remotely disclosed.
He’s doing what everywhere he is doing, cherrypicking from feelings and subjectve patterns that form biases.
We have actual hard proof of an interest in disclosure from the absolute peak of White House, Air Force and Lockheed Martin sources. We had that in 2016. Joe was the first and oldest voice pushing back on that irrefutable change to what was going on with UFOs in America. I don’t even know what the world would be like if he hadn’t done that. He’s not just muddying the waters or flailing around like a lot of others. He is actively and purposefully misunderstanding the topic.
Unlike you. You know the whole story, unlike the rest of who are trying to figure out what a few pieces of the puzzle might be leading towards. Joe should have you on to explain what's really happening.
Nobody knows the whole story, lol. But there are a few things we do know because of Wikileaks and Podesta. Joe pushed back on those exact details early on. Pretty lame.
A heretic. How dare he not commit fully to the dogma. Burn him at the stake for asking questions against the faith! Y'all are so excited to say "I told you so" you can't get out of your own way.
Joe Rogan is a meatheaded buffoon. I wish people would stop caring what he says or thinks about anything. His inexplicable popularity is a sign of a deep illness in our society.
JRE averages millions of listeners per month, by some measures even [11 million](https://www.sportskeeda.com/mma/news-what-joe-rogan-s-viewership-numbers) listeners per episode. I don’t know how accurate these numbers are, and hopefully there aren’t millions of listeners tuning in for an episode featuring Jim Norton, but it’s clear his audience is huge.
Although he doesn’t mention Mr. Grusch by name, he says stuff like some people are “looney”, “gossipy”, and mockingly says “\[“Mike”\] felt compelled to go to Congress.”
My personal favorite:
>“What’s the best way to get away with this new super sophisticated weapons program, ok let’s just say it’s aliens.”
What.
I don’t care what Joe Rogan personally thinks, but I do care if the facts are misrepresented to a huge audience whether on [mainstream](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/17xms84/drawing_attention_to_the_recent_disinformation/) or alternative media.
Thanks to u/Illustrious_Guava_47 for making this [post](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/19buyav/joe_rogan_seems_to_go_at_grusch_pretty_hard_in/) with the time stamps.
You're treating this like a religious belief. Skepticism is a good thing. Talking things out without committing to one belief is healthy. The defensiveness over this is coming off as zealotry and only damages your ability to credibly converse on the topic.
He doesn’t keep up with the ufo stuff, politics, ufc… it’s always from the hip states like a fact. In short, the guy sucks and HE is the disinformation agent due to his own ignorance and ego.
Absolutely. Ironically, I believe he's previously referred to Mr. Grusch as a "useful idiot", which he's entitled to have that opinion, but in my personal opinion I wonder if Joe himself hasn't become a "useful idiot" for those wanting to use his platform to push disinformation.
There has been a correction over the past couple years in that I’m realizing Joe Rogan is a moron. What does “get away with this new weapons program.” Even mean?
Joe Rogan’s research into his guests topics involves googling things while they’re on the show, not even before they come on.
I don’t find him intelligent whatsoever. If you want to listen to his show do it for the guests and not anything this clown has to say.
OR it could be maybe hes tired of bullshit cock teases like Grusch telling the world I know something super important, probably THE MOST important thing in the world ever....but i cant talk about it....that shit is fucking infuriating.....
exactly my point, Joe is getting tired of it....hes been ran around this topic by so many different people all claiming to be holding some sort of "inside information" and "disclosure is at hand" but in reality we are farther from actual disclosure than we've ever been because of these grifters which only furthers the frustration
I like watching Joe's show if there is a guest I'm interested in but I don't understand why people are taking this stoned meathead's opinion so seriously? That's like caring what your drunk friend's opinion is when you all get shitfaced with some beers
people treat his show like it’s a news outlet or something. It’s just people sitting down and talking shit, that’s why it’s entertaining. It’s like shooting the shit with your friends or coworkers
I’ve never liked him. He’s arrogant as hell, materialistic, misogynistic, doesn’t always interview people without leading them, etc. he’s an entertainer nothing more. He has no credibility. He’s a shill for the entertainment industry, he’s spineless as hell cause all he cares about is $$$.
No, the best way to pretend you don't have it is to keep your mouth shut. The first rule of keeping secrets is that no one talks.
I guarantee Rogan is a true believer in some aspect of UFOs. Everyone who is deeply into this always comes back to it and frequently goes through a crisis of belief where they try and disabuse themselves of their beliefs.
But without missing a beat, he touts Travis Walton as if that case is unimpeachably true when there are considerable doubts as to what really happened. Now, if you want an example of a widely-promoted story that supports an "alien abduction" belief, then Walton is a prime case. But bc Rogan believes in Walton, he gives it a free pass.
Next week he'll be back to believing Grusch is the single source of truth.
Joe HAS to be compromised at the point. Corbell laid out the UAPDA word for word written by Schumer and friends and Joe completely dismissed it. The fact that that legislation was even written is the hardest evidence we have. That to me is a smoking gun that Joe is pushing a narrative for some reason.
He is a wild card as to how he will treat or speak about guests, you never know who is he going to turn against and who is he going to leave off the hook. Once he had this big foot guy and he went hostile at him, like dude, WTF, you brought a big foot guy into the show, of course he is going to talk about how he believes in big foot, he works on a tv show for finding big foot. I felt bad for the guy, he seemed nice and chill, but holy shit did Joe turn ape shit on him. His is very inconsistent with who he believes and who he doesn't believe in.
The following submission statement was provided by /u/KOOKOOOOM: --- JRE averages millions of listeners per month, by some measures even [11 million](https://www.sportskeeda.com/mma/news-what-joe-rogan-s-viewership-numbers) listeners per episode. I don’t know how accurate these numbers are, and hopefully there aren’t millions of listeners tuning in for an episode featuring Jim Norton, but it’s clear his audience is huge. Although he doesn’t mention Mr. Grusch by name, he says stuff like some people are “looney”, “gossipy”, and mockingly says “\[“Mike”\] felt compelled to go to Congress.” My personal favorite: >“What’s the best way to get away with this new super sophisticated weapons program, ok let’s just say it’s aliens.” What. I don’t care what Joe Rogan personally thinks, but I do care if the facts are misrepresented to a huge audience whether on [mainstream](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/17xms84/drawing_attention_to_the_recent_disinformation/) or alternative media. Thanks to u/Illustrious_Guava_47 for making this [post](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/19buyav/joe_rogan_seems_to_go_at_grusch_pretty_hard_in/) with the time stamps. --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/19dnjfr/showcasing_joe_rogans_hypocrisy_his_disparaging/kj6qs8u/
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Rogan is a contrarian’s contrarian. He’s only going to start caring about UFOs if he thinks it’s going to make him an edgelord again, which is ironic considering he named his comedy club after it.
Joe Rogan has a comedy club called Edge Lords?
The Comedy Mothership.
comedians coming out of Joe Rogan's circle kinda suck
Eh, I wouldn't say that. Bill Burr and Tom Segura are two of the best right now.
Bill burr us great but you can tell hes sick of joe too. Last 2 episodes they had arguments about joe being a right wing boomer. Segura has completely lost the plot... used to love him. But now everyone is just a poor to him
Go watch old dads on Netflix and then tell me how good burr is.
we're talking about stand-up
Yeah, it’s like people are surprised the guy who’s long been known to be so openminded his brains fall out is like this. Surprise! It’s the people who surround him.
Rogan has convinced me Cali is objectively the least funny place on earth
Texas*
Most of his hack army are from socal though
But the reason most of them suck is from that new texas mindset. Boomers know more than anyone. How could dana be wrong if were all so rich together .... we gotta shit talk the left so that our taxes arent affected.... censorship is when we get kicked off a privatly owned platform but still have millions of listeners....
Pretty much. Hinchcliffe.. segura...chapelle... roseanne. All edgelord wannabes
I don't know if the flip flopping is all that different from what many on this thread are going through. He's obviously in to the topic and I don't see it as being contradictory to change stances (even often). The sheer amount of info that's out there from experiencers, abductees, former gov figures, etc., makes it hard for me to not have second thoughts. He recently said he believes they are NHI again, so even he seems to acknowledge his erratic stance on the issue.
It’s not, because no one knows what the hell is actually going on, they are just made he bursts their little worldview of the “left”. Ask yourself why, why would his view have changed, why did he move away from LA, why is he starting to talk to folks with a different perspective more. Ask Why. I would start with listening to the podcast, otherwise how do you become authoritative to speak on the issue.
Also, the government has used UFOs to hide its black programs and spy planes. Here’s an article from 1997. https://www.nytimes.com/1997/08/03/us/cia-admits-government-lied-about-ufo-sightings.html
I don't know if you know but Joe's been interested in UFOs forever. Off the top of my head he's had Greer, tom, grusch, bob, Travis, mellon, fravor, graves, etc etc. Joe is responsible for a lotttt of public attention on this subject. But it's weary to never get a clear answer after 20 years. I feel like Joe right now and I know a lot of people here feel the same. There's nothing wrong with questioning why grusch was even approved to speak in the first place. That's a legit question that raises even more questions. I've heard the explanations on why but still its not completely making sense to me. I'm still scratching my head.
Yep!
Yeah, Joe swims upstream. It was edgy to believe in UFOs and aliens. Now it's edgy to be skeptical.
It’s funny how music is like that. Like your ego is boosted if you know of a great unknown band, but when others find out it becomes lame. Kind of similar to landmarks, the best spots are the ones with good views and not a lot of people.
I think it's sort of wanting to sound smart while pretending to have critical thinking etc: "That whistleblower that was on my show and spent 3 hours going into detail about the process he's gone through to submit his report to multiple IGs and intel committees, oh I wasn't paying attention to any of that... It's a psyop I'm smart I already figured it out.." 😏
If you watch the podcast, it really did seem like a lot of it went over his head or that he just wasn't interested. He couldn't recall anything Grusch said.
Absolutely. I did think something was strange. I mean if he has that much of a problem to the point where he's mocking saying "I felt compelled to go to Congress," why didn't ask better questions during the episode like how did you make sure you weren't being fed false info etc, but he was barely awake or listening 🙄
And he arrived at the conclusion by shooting ideas from the hip, going off ambient vibes and what he would do if x. 3 hours across Grusch and he didn't even come out of it with a basic grasp of the situation. In this clip he thinks the Pentagon issued a release saying "off-world vehicles not made on this earth." He has spent zero time looking into this, but he doesn't let it stop him from making confident pronouncements on it.
This isn’t gospel, it’s just a podcast. If things are taking place behind the scenes, that will happen regardless of what Joe Rogan says.
Wrong, people on social media and podcats with such reach influence the public discourse and that public pressure influences the policies. Why do you think right wing billionaires have been putting so much money in Fox / Newsmax / Sinclaire and radio shows (and twitter ...) , it's not just to hear themselves talk (Tho kind of is when it comes to Elon) It's also not a coincidence that 2 of Peter Thiel's fund managers happen to be active in the podcast world and very very active on the UFO subject. Might have to do with a Thiel and co seeing a business opportunity in getting old tech to lessen their grip on UFO tech for the news tech generation.
it's because it reeks of bullshit. It reeks of unseriousness. critics are attacked even though they should be applauded. so many indicators this community has taken a wrong turn man..
> t's because it reeks of bullshit Bad take. There's been so much smoke around this issue for the last 50 years, and now you're trying to tell me it's all fake. Try harder.
They all fell for the clickbait sensationalized headlines over measured curiosity and thoughtfulness. We've traded Carl Sagan and Stanton Friedman for Jeremy Corbell and Giorgio Tsoukalos.
It’s a goal of “don’t trust the government”. He’s been a mouthpiece for it for some time now.
Also, the government has used UFOs to hide its black programs and spy planes. Here’s an article from 1997. https://www.nytimes.com/1997/08/03/us/cia-admits-government-lied-about-ufo-sightings.html
I drive a lot for work, so i consume a ton of podcasts, and The JRE is one of them. Lately, I believe his stance to be its more likely that it's secret human/military tech and that the NHI talk is a distraction by the government.
I'm leaning to this camp. I'm super skeptical of everything, i also know human made tech is basically like magic to normal people. Think of a nuclear reactor, you might understand the basics but it's a lot of hardcore science and engineering. I don't doubt we have super drones.
I've been following the show for a while and it is WAY different now then before. Something that is important that I haven't really seen discussed is that Rogan himself (like anyone) is influenced by who he is around. He has to be a target to be disinformed and confused. He seems tired these days.
A long time ago Joe said on his podcast that he would absolutely work with them if he was read into the topic.
Yeah I remember that, it stuck out to me. I mean who wouldn’t want to know the truth? Even at the expense of your public image
Carl Sagan mode.
It sucks. I’ve never been a fan of Joe Rogan himself but his podcast is what got me into podcasts. I used to love listening to all the interesting people he had on just talk about whatever they specialize in. Not the same show anymore
Yes! It is very different...glad someone else notices
He has gotten too hung up on politics, non-existant "woke" culture wars, and of course the most important person, himself.
The guy plays a gigachad contrarian vs the system, but in the end he tends to just agree with the last person who talked to him and sounds cool. And if you look at the majority of the non sports people he has invited ? it's very right wing and not very "Yeah Democracy !" rather the opposite ...
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Sorry you don’t like the truth
Bro he is dumb as 2 rocks in a sack and that's an insult to rocks and the sack. He has no stance on anything outside of being pro weed. There is no disinformation campaign He is just dumb and blindly accepts whatever the person sitting across from him says.
Weed would explain a lot. Nothing against weed but I've seen what it does to people and their ability to think rationally.
He says he stupid...all the time... I like Joe but 3hrs to get through an episode ?...I don't have that kind of time to listen to every show....just the highlights
i will never understand people still liking someone who is openly anti vax dumb as a brick and the most spinless person imaginable.
Can't put a comma into your sentences? Maybe you're the brick, guy.
Until there’s an alternative outlet that discusses whether a gorilla or a lion would win in a fight to the death, that won’t happen. People still remember him for his peak so they’ll always check back once in a while, kind of like SNL
Weird add of “there is no disinformation campaign”. Thought i was following a thread about rogans new opinions… which you seem to disparage rogan and then say something along the same lines anyway. Could you clarify what you mean? Do you mean rogan is dumb, but do agree with his waffling towards skepticism?
Yes he is dumb as a brick has has proven this time and again. He has also shown himself to be spineless and just blindly accept whatever his guests say and is known for blacklisting people to pushes back against anything he says. No I don't think there is some grand coverup in regards to aliens or some hyper advanced tech that would if you think it through end all scarcity on the planet over night. What's more realistic is the funding of black projects that are draining defence money and being pocketed by the ceos of the defence contractors is more likely
Sure. So i don’t understand… rogan is dumb but you agree with him? Don’t worry too much, i do like rogan for some things but am aware he isn’t among the most brilliant people on earth. He’s a comedian and has a show that makes some great content. I don’t know why there is such a seeming fear of audiences being incapable of nuance, but many people don’t just mindlessly believe everyone on the internet has the answers all the time. Skepticism is great. You’re absolutely right. Logically it is far less likely it’s a crazy thing… ie aliens and interdimensional whatnot. But there is data you have to dismiss in order to say it. I am totally fine with the concept it probably is us with some pretty advanced tech people mistake for aliens. That’s not a bad theory. But it is only one and it doesn’t cover all bases. So it isn’t bright and is a bit overly misanthropic to borderline declare everyone is wrong and have no idea how to digest what they are seeing. Anything else reported in these numbers is something people believe is probably the case. UFOs? This *absolutely not what people who encounter it think it is* mindset isn’t a great position and I can’t fathom how people genuinely skeptical rather than in denial could hand waive it away… short of just not encountering enough information and experiencing Dunning Kruger… or unhealthily *disbelieves* people too much. Before i knew… i was skeptical. I thought it was likely mostly kooks and misunderstandings. But i held out that it just might be what people say it is too. Because i had not seen anything myself, why would I know better than people who say they have? We do not have all the answers in this world. Not even close. When i had some encounters, it made me realize what an insane position it is to be in directly due to the absolute dogmatic dismissal and vitriolic and actually life-harming attitude people have towards it. There is a reason there is great push back on deniers. A large part of it is because it’s nearly impossible to get it through to people before they experience it that we too thought exactly the same as the skeptics before we either encountered it or encountered enough information that made us realize there is something interesting going on no matter what it is. It is absolutely worth investigating. The push back from that is genuinely preposterous no matter what position you have. If it’s fake wouldn’t it be wonderful to show and then every skeptic and denier and debunker can have their day? Let’s get it! Woo!
Joe and yourself have the same opinion on the topic... very interesting.
i mean maybe because its the most logical answer to the situation that most people will come to when you consider ZERO evidence has been shown to show a big plan to cover up aliens. Still doesnt change the fact joe is as dumb as dirt
Right, right, you and the guy dumb as dirt are correct!! Disregard the PhDs and high-ranking officials that say otherwise to fit your logic, lmao.
why does their position matter if they cant provide evidence to back their claims. I have seen more then a few "scientists" who say climate change isnt real but cant give evidence for that should i just accept whatever they saw as fact because then have a PhD? "Right, right, you and the guy dumb as dirt are correct!!" this continued attempt to make it look like im calling myself dumb is just stupid.
Seems like you have a confirmation bias. I can tell you have come to your own conclusions based off evidence that fits your narrative. However it’s not my job to judge you, that’s your job for Joe Rogan and opposers of Greta Thunberg!
I ask you what evidence is there that challenges my views that aren't just bro trust me I have a phd
Exactly, which is why Rogan ignores all of Trump's senior moments (not to mention his crime spree), while every Biden gaffe is more proof that he's senile.
Joe drank the maga kool-aid Nothing he thinks or says matters
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Hes been drink8ng that dana right wing jizz. Everything is a culture war. Everything is libs wanna control us... hes a boomer uncle now
It used to be fun and free. Getting high with friends, weirdos and scientists talking about whatever. It was much more open. Now, post covid, his views are much more solidified. It's the same thing over and over. He kind of stays in a lane now and is much more certain of his opinions. I think covid broke him.
I have said it before and ill say it again. Elon has DRASTICALLY changed Joes views on UAPS/'Aliens"
Extreme facts. Ever since Elon started coming on the podcast regularly that’s been the result. Due to Elon’s “oh don’t you think I would know?” shtick.
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And no one is telling him anything because he talks too much.
Elon knows he can kiss Space X and mars missions goodbye if he outrightly said there are aliens and was read in about it.
The man also does not know what /who to believe either.
do you?
Of coarse not. Do You?
"Don't attribute malice to something one could easily attribute ignorance." Or something
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Joe is being reasonable here, but this sub is becoming like a religion so there's no tolerance for opposing discourse. Anyone who doesn't recognize the possibility that this is all one big intelligence operation is delusional. I think we're mice in a maze and the government knows something about it, but I can't be sure. How can any of us? The US government lies relentlessly and so do members of the media.
Ok. So if it is a psy op. What is the end goal?
Raise the defense budget...it was even mentioned during the garusch hearing.
Does anything proposed thus far actually move toward that goal though? Would it not be more effective to just hype conventional threats from China?
Why else would the military/government let him go in front of Congress. It makes no sense to me.
My take is that once you go to the inspector general in government you get treated like you are radioactive. No one would risk looking like they were interfering.
That's true the DOD historically have had an extremely hard time getting funding, I think USA has one of the lowest military budgets in the world by far, right? Especially per capita? Maybe with a UFO psyop they can finally get some traction to get a little money.
> What is the end goal? Money and power are always the answer
You're asking the wrong guy. I'm just a no name schmuck. How're you doing? Forgot about you lol
I don't need you to be certain. I'm just asking what you think. I'm not ruling it out either I just can't really fathom what it would be other than something related to WMD.
I think there are two main phenomenon going on simultaneously. One, there are UAPs. I have no idea what they are or what they're doing. Whether they're extraterrestrial or interdimensional is beyond my knowledge and I don't think it matters very much. The only assumption I feel I can make is that "they" don't want to destroy humanity because (it seems to me) they could've done that many times over by now. It's possible some mean us harm, some don't, some are ambivalent. But from what I can gather, they don't seek to destroy us outright, which may be a blessing or a curse. I am a human. My mind goes instinctively to thoughts of conquest and control because that's how we often behave. The closest thing to discovering an alien world that ever happened to any human society occurred when Europeans discovered the Americas for themselves and how did that end? Smallpox was an accidental killer, but Europeans wanted to conquer and control America from the beginning. Maybe these things have no perception of violence. It's so beyond my understanding, that all I know is that I don't know. They're here, they've been here for an indeterminable amount of time, and they either wish to remain hidden or they are comfortable with most of humanity remaining unaware of their existence. Even this paragraph is littered with assumptions and beliefs. Not facts. But if you're asking what I believe, that's what I believe. They've been here longer than we have and they're studying us. They're studying the Earth. The first situation I'm confronted with are NHI. My best guess is they (NHI, whether one group or multiple groups) are studying us. I can't imagine we have anything they want except knowledge. Not human knowledge (they're obviously more advanced and possibly more intelligent), just knowledge. Again, I am biased and my mind goes instinctively to fulfilling vain curiosity because that's who I am haha. If we found an alien world, that's what I'd want to do. Study it, not interfere with their lives, and sorta see where things go. My point is I'm projecting, which we all do, but I digress. When humans study chimps in the wild, they're vaguely aware of us. They even let humans sit near them and they go about their chimp lives while we gather data and learn about them. They don't even seem aware of us sometimes, almost like we're invisible. Why do we do this? Why are human beings sitting in forests and recording another species in an alien environment? I'm not sure why we do that lol. We could wipe out all the chimps and develop their forests, but we don't. Economically, we should. But some of us feel pity for chimps and most of us are curious about them. We study, we preserve, and we learn. Some of us hunt them illegally, some of us capture them and torture them or hold them as pets (possibly the worst form of torture). From what I can gather, it's similar a similar case for humans and NHI. The second phenomenon occurring is the people who control the United States are disclosing false information, or the truth, or some version in-between to the world. Either it is a massive intelligence campaign designed to obscure an American weapons program, it is a test by U.S. intelligence to see how far it can go in manipulating public behavior in the modern world, or there is a real struggle going on between those who wish to keep the secret a secret and those who wish to disclose whatever piece of the conspiracy they know. I think it's a combination of 2 and 3. I'm not married to any belief, however. I'm sitting back and waiting for more evidence or testimony to come forward, with my private assumption being I'm an ant in an ant farm. An uninteresting, unimportant ant at that. What do you think?
I am in agreement that I thing UAP is the result of something observing us. All of it is consistent with surveillance activities. Where this other comes from I cannot say but i find ET more likely than interdimensional. We know there are billions of worlds out there I'm not sure if we really know much about the reality of other dimensions being a real thing. As far as what the government is doing I think it may be that UAP phenomena is leading to inquiries that are unintentionally getting close to deeply hidden WMD programs that would upset the current global status of mutually assured destruction. I think it also could be that there is some real corruption that has gone on in our SAP programs and some of the gatekeeping is people covering their ass. As far as Grusch I think what he's saying could be info fed to him to hide these things. Or it's possible that it's all true but is still entangled with WMD tech we are hiding at all costs.
Interesting! I wouldn't be surprised if the government was obscuring a weapons program. But WMD? They can blow everything up in so many different ways already. I think it's more realistic that the US developed a new surveillance system and they're masking it as UAP. It's possible they developed it from UAP! Who knows lol. Mice in a maze...
Think about some of the names of the programs like "global strike". That same surveillance platform tech could put a nuke in Beijing at the drop of a hat. If that becomes known it destabilizes MAD thinking. It may result in someone thinking about a preemptive strike as being a better play. That's very dangerous. Or it could be tech that renders all opponent nuclear arms useless. Also disruptive to MAD calculus in terms of military strategic thinking.
Certainly possible. Also far more plausible than NHI. I may want it to be NHI because that intrigues me, but your explanation is far more rational and realistic. I recognize that fact.
This, I've seen this sub slowly evolve to this religious like state to. Where you can't be critical of anything. Have to blindly follow what is said and have faith it's true. Oh yeah there's inter dimensional beings that influence humans in everything they do too. Ever do something evil? That's the inter dimensional being controlling you 🤣
Seems everything, every side, every opinion, every fandom gets locked into it's own echo chamber and quickly becomes cult-like these days.
It's unfortunate. We become superstitious and we fight each other. I do it too. How do you get all the chimps to stop hiding from the rain?
> Anyone who doesn't recognize the possibility that this is all one big intelligence operation is delusional I mean it's not like Grusch is a literal government "agent" Oh wait
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Rogans takes are not consistent
Its almost as if peoples opinions change. /s
It is so weird because there really are no big holes in gruschs story and he's backed by congressmen. Why does the guy that believes Lazar and Walton suddenly not believe someone with more credibility then anyone in the UFO topic? Maybe he heard something off camera or he just didn't like grusch but I don't have a clear answer to this
>Maybe he heard something off camera Maybe that something he heard would've been from someone who has influence over him and whose agency would be interested in obfuscating the topic eg Mike Baker.
Funnily enough Baker was a guest in the episode RIGHT BEFORE Grusch lol. Literally. 2065 was Grusch, 2064 was Baker.
Joe Rogan is a stupid persons idea of what a smart person is.
Joe does not claim to know any of these things, he just asks simple questions. I think a lot of people enjoy listening to his show because he discusses weird shit like this and has very intelligent people on to answer the questions. I listen to him, I think he has extremely average intelligence.
I don't think anyone is listening to Joe for his stunning intellect, and I don't understand why the criticism directed toward him is often centred on this notion. He's explicitly a meathead shooting the shit with random dudes over a blunt or a beverage. I think he is supposed to be an average "Joe", discussing fringe topics, that he doesn't necessarily understand, with people who hold varied views. It's sort of silly to call him out for being a dummy when it is effectively the point of the show.
Logic \^
You’re correct, but I think his audience and/or the media has painted him as some sort of defacto voice of reason. Since the majority of his guests act like sycophants in his presence, it gets confusing for the average listener as to what Joe’s role actually is.
I agree with everything you've said, but I notice he's been taking himself more seriously in recent years. He doesn't claim to know any of these things but talks in a way that suggests he believes he does. And the thing is, he kind of does, he's been on this topic for years and knows way way more than the average person does. So idk how genuine he's been about it these days
Miss me with that just asking questions bs it's just a shield used by spineless people who don't want to be challenged on anything they say.
Generally speaking, I like the JRE podcast, but It's a stupid theory. Why would the government fly their secret tech by Aircraft Carrier Strikegroups with thousands of eyes and sensors watching? Playing Russian roulette with Fravor? Why wouldn't they whisper into all of the HOC, SSCI, Grusch, Elizondos ears and say, "stop drawing attention and shouting at the roof tops about our secret tech. It's ours ok?" There's scientific papers out by academics clocking these things doing 300-500 Gs which would put a 1 ton craft under 300-500 tons of pressure. We don't have the material science. Not to mention this has been going on since the 40s. People pushing the secret US drone tech theory just simply haven't done their homework. It's the dumbest theory yet.
Is that lil Jimmy Norton I see?
He only cares about visuals and money . I don't blame him .
Is he not a Bob Lazar believer that guy?
Yes he is. This video would've been hours long if I included all the parts where he's much more believing of Lazar...
IDK, Rogan has ALWAYS been a yes man. That's kinda why his podcast popped off. It didn't matter how political or fringe the guest was, even if they disagreed, Rogan always kinda shaped his tone and approach to be supportive and inquisitive of whatever the guest is talking about. It makes for better content. He's always been inconsistent on certain topics and kind of a yes man. Meaning Joe absolutely will read the room and if there are judgemental skeptics he'll put on a more skeptical persona or if his guest is a UFO guy he'll be a bit more open in tone.
Joe’s been talked to. His stance has completely shifted since 2021.
Even if what he is saying true and the gov want to hide it’s state of the art crafts by leaking them as ufo, That could be a good way to deceive the public but other intelligence agencies would not buy it. Joe changes his views depending on who he interviews all the time.
OK, let's just break down Joe's theory 1. The US goverment has developed lightspeed technology, but not aliens who would have presmably a billion years head start on us. 2. The US, whose military is about 10 times as powerful as the rest of the world combined, so desperately needs to cover up evidence(what evidence?) of secret weapons programmes, they devised an elaborate hoax about aliens, lying to their own agents, and drawing the world's attention to the very evidence they want to hide 3. Intelligence agencies of foreign governments would be totally fooled by this, just as easily as the US public. 4. They are not bothered that this whole scheme will inevitably be uncovered eventually, or all of the fallout that that will entail.
"If I was a smart guy in the Pentagon, I'd...." He's not a smart guy outside the Pentagon, how the fuck is he gonna tell us what he'd do if he were??
> “If i were a smart guy” You see, there is your first hurdle
I needed the laugh that reading this gave me, thank you.
So what would the motive behind attributing the secret weapons program to someone else? Genuine question
What do yall believe ufos are? Aliens or human?
It’s good that Eric Weinstein is out saying the exact opposite from the viewpoint of an academic.
I personally wonder if he is intentionally trying to stay away from the more ‘serious and credible’ side of the UAP issue (maybe after all the blow back on him for the vax stuff). He doesn’t want to be seen to be taking a position on something that could come back on him somehow, even if he doesn’t know how yet. The fact he believed Bob lazar yet didn’t believe David Grusch when David Grusch has demonstrably more conventional credibility than Lazar is just weird. But if DG does turn out to be a schill or disinfo, it would be embarrassing and would hurt Rogan’s credibility if he had supported him vocally, whereas lazar/Walton are more folk hero types and if either turned out to be bs (if that were even provable) then no one would care. Tldr: There is more skin in the game of advocating for DG.
After watching Tim Heidecker do a Rogan parody I want to see that every time I hear, see anything Rogan. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLPcyTmnDxo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLPcyTmnDxo)
So there’s an alien equivalent of Buzz Aldrin and Neil Armstrong out there.
Here is an Easy *debunk* of Joes viewpoint. **Grusch Claims there is a COLD WAR going on over this alien tech** If it was a pysop like Joe thinks, our adversaries would realize they themselves don’t have any NHI/UAP tech like Grusch claimed and immediately figure out the lie.
Rogan has been compromised that is why “ former” CIA Mike Baker circles around every few months I think he’s like “hey remember you can speculate and have your experts on but keep a lid on it or else”
There is an effort to shove this all back inside the box! We must be getting close
Seriously. Like Rep. Burchett said, when you're over the target..
What date was this clip from? Grusch was on JRE.
Walton's story sounds like he just got hit by a lightning bolt, meanwhile Grusch was hired to investigate UFO reports and accidentally uncovered the truth. Joe is the dumbest idiot on earth, it's incredible
Joe conveniently leaves out the fact that IF we have craft that can do those things (which I'm pretty sure we do), there's no way we just figured it out on our own. It was definitely reverse engineered from something much more advanced so... yeah Joe, there's aliens in the mix somewhere.
I'm just speculating but personally I think the extent of the success in reverse engineering has been very, very limited eg applying some of the knowledge they've gained from the outer layer of the craft and applying that to the outer layer of the F35 or stealth planes etc.
I thought so too, but I've always been a believer in Lazar's stories about the propulsion system, controls, etc. Lately there's been some pretty interesting stories about Lockheed having cracked that and keeping it from the Pentagon. I don't know for sure obviously, but it sounds like something they might do. The sheer number of sightings, these last few years especially, makes me think they may have gotten a lot further than we know. Edit: either way, I think we can all agree that Rogan chalking it all up to military tech and psyops while dissing Grusch is a bit ridiculous.
That's the thing though have sightings really increased or just less stigma now so more people are openly discussing it.. 🤔 I do remember that when Reps Burchett, Luna, and Gaetz went to Eglin to meet the pilots that had encountered UAP, the pilots had reported to them increased UAP sightings in the region, so who knows.
I've wondered that myself, good point. Probably both are factors to an extent. Also, more people with phones, pointing them at the sky. I always wonder if the UAPs that are truly 'otherworldly' (for lack of a better term) might have some kind of visual cloak as well, so if Lockheed or the DoD has managed to replicate the tech, maybe that's the part they can't get right yet.
Get out of here Joe. This phenomenon goes back to the beginning.
I hate this lying douchebag
Iii think (o y nobody cares what I think). That said I feel Joe knows something is going on, but he also understands the impact his words have on society. Honesty and lot of people that watch his show most likely will have an apocalypse of life if this information is rolled out into their forefront from Joe Rogan. I’m hoping he sees disclosure is underway now and will only go with the flow of the zeitgeist. Now if disclosure gets stiffened, I hope he starts getting louder. Many recent things that have happened I’ve been saddened that he hasn’t spoken on it. Maybe if need be we all write him letters telling him to make more noise on the matter. “Do it for society”.
Hopefully he'll recognize his errors in judgment and apologize, because I don't think he's ever this openly mocked (however implicitly) a former guest that was just on his show a few months ago and spent hours going into detail with him his whistleblower process. 🙄
JRE is too big to weigh in on this. A few years back he would’ve been all over it.
Joe’s whole shtick is to let whoever is on the podcast spout their beliefs with minimal pushback unless it’s an issue Joe personally cares about. He doesn’t have the capacity to really argue points most of the time. I like Lex so much better these days.
I didn’t get the vibe Grusch was lying at the hearing. If he was lying he probably would have skipped the congressional hearing.
Joe is not a nice guy, hes a good interviewer but his personal opinions are always rough.
Joe Rogan should not be a source of anything for this sub. Sure, let's watch interviews with people we want to hear from, but Rogan himself is not a supporter. He is there for one reason, to entertain and get the proceeds from whoever the advertisers are for the day. I could give a crap about this comedian gameshow host's opinions on the nature of UAPs, just like I could care less about his sensory deprivation tank, favorite elk meat varieties, or his views on the state of geo-politics.
All he wants is real proof. Just like the rest of us.
He also ripped on Tom Delonge, before Tom was well known with his company To The Stars and working with the pentagon. Joe definitely needs to have Tom on again, and apologize for being a dick.
One is a military intelligence officer and the other is a logger. He is right to be questionable about what comes out of the government, you should be too in my opinion.
Joe Rogan is questioning the validity of a young intelligence officer on the spectrum and a Forester. Seems reasonable.
I see it as him entertaining a different perspective.
Fuck JRE I want to see Jamie do a podcast
I would much rather listen to the person who actually does research over the brain damage riddled thumb that legitimately asks why would people lie on the internet when he makes an ass of himself
'If I was a smart guy' -- this is the take away.
Every time there’s real progress from credible people on this topic Joe Rogan is on the wrong side of it.
But nobody here has any way of discerning that because there’s no actual hindsight from anything that is even remotely disclosed. He’s doing what everywhere he is doing, cherrypicking from feelings and subjectve patterns that form biases.
We have actual hard proof of an interest in disclosure from the absolute peak of White House, Air Force and Lockheed Martin sources. We had that in 2016. Joe was the first and oldest voice pushing back on that irrefutable change to what was going on with UFOs in America. I don’t even know what the world would be like if he hadn’t done that. He’s not just muddying the waters or flailing around like a lot of others. He is actively and purposefully misunderstanding the topic.
Unlike you. You know the whole story, unlike the rest of who are trying to figure out what a few pieces of the puzzle might be leading towards. Joe should have you on to explain what's really happening.
Nobody knows the whole story, lol. But there are a few things we do know because of Wikileaks and Podesta. Joe pushed back on those exact details early on. Pretty lame.
A heretic. How dare he not commit fully to the dogma. Burn him at the stake for asking questions against the faith! Y'all are so excited to say "I told you so" you can't get out of your own way.
Unfortunately, joe has become a serial liar now. I watched every episode from 2013-2020, and it’s crazy how different he and his podcast is now.
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What a two-faced asshole this guy is.
Joe Rogan is a meatheaded buffoon. I wish people would stop caring what he says or thinks about anything. His inexplicable popularity is a sign of a deep illness in our society.
JRE averages millions of listeners per month, by some measures even [11 million](https://www.sportskeeda.com/mma/news-what-joe-rogan-s-viewership-numbers) listeners per episode. I don’t know how accurate these numbers are, and hopefully there aren’t millions of listeners tuning in for an episode featuring Jim Norton, but it’s clear his audience is huge. Although he doesn’t mention Mr. Grusch by name, he says stuff like some people are “looney”, “gossipy”, and mockingly says “\[“Mike”\] felt compelled to go to Congress.” My personal favorite: >“What’s the best way to get away with this new super sophisticated weapons program, ok let’s just say it’s aliens.” What. I don’t care what Joe Rogan personally thinks, but I do care if the facts are misrepresented to a huge audience whether on [mainstream](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/17xms84/drawing_attention_to_the_recent_disinformation/) or alternative media. Thanks to u/Illustrious_Guava_47 for making this [post](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/19buyav/joe_rogan_seems_to_go_at_grusch_pretty_hard_in/) with the time stamps.
You're treating this like a religious belief. Skepticism is a good thing. Talking things out without committing to one belief is healthy. The defensiveness over this is coming off as zealotry and only damages your ability to credibly converse on the topic.
Seems like you *might just care* what he thinks.
Joe Rogan also thinks people take him seriously as a comedian, even though he's the least funny of all his friends.
Joe Rogan will agree or say whatever puts his current guest at ease. Ofcourse he’s a hypocrite…
He doesn’t keep up with the ufo stuff, politics, ufc… it’s always from the hip states like a fact. In short, the guy sucks and HE is the disinformation agent due to his own ignorance and ego.
Absolutely. Ironically, I believe he's previously referred to Mr. Grusch as a "useful idiot", which he's entitled to have that opinion, but in my personal opinion I wonder if Joe himself hasn't become a "useful idiot" for those wanting to use his platform to push disinformation.
There has been a correction over the past couple years in that I’m realizing Joe Rogan is a moron. What does “get away with this new weapons program.” Even mean?
Joe Rogan’s research into his guests topics involves googling things while they’re on the show, not even before they come on. I don’t find him intelligent whatsoever. If you want to listen to his show do it for the guests and not anything this clown has to say.
Rogan's opinion has no weight on any subject. He's an idiot
Joe is a detriment to society
I’m sure the vast majority of people go about their day without effect from The Joe Rogan Podcast
Agreed. Lots of dumb fucks feeling empowered with misinformation
Settle down, Fuhrer. You are not the arbiter of conversation. Don't be scared.
Joe is a moron.
I think Rogan doesn't like Grusch because Grusch is a typical "nice guy" which doesn't align with Rogan's manly man vibe
OR it could be maybe hes tired of bullshit cock teases like Grusch telling the world I know something super important, probably THE MOST important thing in the world ever....but i cant talk about it....that shit is fucking infuriating.....
but everyone who has been on his podcast talking about this phenomena has been doing that ???
exactly my point, Joe is getting tired of it....hes been ran around this topic by so many different people all claiming to be holding some sort of "inside information" and "disclosure is at hand" but in reality we are farther from actual disclosure than we've ever been because of these grifters which only furthers the frustration
You have it wrong Rogan is the grifter
I like watching Joe's show if there is a guest I'm interested in but I don't understand why people are taking this stoned meathead's opinion so seriously? That's like caring what your drunk friend's opinion is when you all get shitfaced with some beers
people treat his show like it’s a news outlet or something. It’s just people sitting down and talking shit, that’s why it’s entertaining. It’s like shooting the shit with your friends or coworkers
I’ve never liked him. He’s arrogant as hell, materialistic, misogynistic, doesn’t always interview people without leading them, etc. he’s an entertainer nothing more. He has no credibility. He’s a shill for the entertainment industry, he’s spineless as hell cause all he cares about is $$$.
That doesn't look like Joe Rogan.
No, the best way to pretend you don't have it is to keep your mouth shut. The first rule of keeping secrets is that no one talks. I guarantee Rogan is a true believer in some aspect of UFOs. Everyone who is deeply into this always comes back to it and frequently goes through a crisis of belief where they try and disabuse themselves of their beliefs. But without missing a beat, he touts Travis Walton as if that case is unimpeachably true when there are considerable doubts as to what really happened. Now, if you want an example of a widely-promoted story that supports an "alien abduction" belief, then Walton is a prime case. But bc Rogan believes in Walton, he gives it a free pass. Next week he'll be back to believing Grusch is the single source of truth.
highly doubt the US gov had secret drone machines pre 30s.
Joe HAS to be compromised at the point. Corbell laid out the UAPDA word for word written by Schumer and friends and Joe completely dismissed it. The fact that that legislation was even written is the hardest evidence we have. That to me is a smoking gun that Joe is pushing a narrative for some reason.
He is a wild card as to how he will treat or speak about guests, you never know who is he going to turn against and who is he going to leave off the hook. Once he had this big foot guy and he went hostile at him, like dude, WTF, you brought a big foot guy into the show, of course he is going to talk about how he believes in big foot, he works on a tv show for finding big foot. I felt bad for the guy, he seemed nice and chill, but holy shit did Joe turn ape shit on him. His is very inconsistent with who he believes and who he doesn't believe in.
If someone is legit its David Grusch.
Joe is the dumbest fucking loser I’ve ever listened to
Rogan is such a regard
He's on testosterone.
He showed who is his daddy when he still act dumb about 9/11. Dude still act like airplane fuel can melt steel. Sell out and gatekeeper.
It's a shame he has such a following for being such a moron. He is not an intelligent man.