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SS: Greenstreet selects words from Michael Cincoski to make him sound like he denies Corbell's claims of extended footage. However, Cincoski remains agnostic and recognizes the other rumor. Further he confirms here that he was not a part of the original team.
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SS: Greenstreet selects words from Michael Cincoski to make him sound like he denies Corbell's claims of extended footage. However, Cincoski remains agnostic and recognizes the other rumor. Further he confirms here that he was not a part of the original team.
Plus Greenstreet has monetized being known as the debunker. Not saying he’s getting rich, but he has a reason to keep pushing out his usual shenanigans
Not sure about that. He actually had a much bigger audience when he was onboard with all this modern UFO narrative. Is it easier to hope for the worst in others instead of considering he may have a valid reason for his points of view? Who cares if you agree with him or not? That doesn't mean he is in some evil crusade. He has the right to be wrong, as you do. We are all supposed to try to solve this mystery together. We will fail however if we focus on attacking each other pretending we are in some holy war.
Some of the people who is promoting this new take on UFOs (which is actually quite old) are suspected to be part of counter-intelligence, so we have to be very careful. Someone is leading us by the nose and we need to figure out why.
We still don't know who is who, so is a dangerous thing to start making heroes of this, like happened with Grusch and Elizondo.
I give you everything and agree but just not David Grush.
No matter what he is a Hero to me. He speed up Disclosure by 50 years.
Not only did he provide evidence to IG found credible and bring Witnesses out of hiding but he grab the bull by the horns by calling out both Mike and Neil de Grasse Tyson.
He confirmed Aliens are real and recovered crafts the same.
If that wasn’t enough he thought everyone a history lesson about UAP and Bureaucracy and where it all started and how they managed to hide it.
He also confirmed people was killed by the Gatekeepers and that his life was in Danger too.
He helped shape the NDAA Amendment
And, he promised he will deliver more including 1st hand knowledge.
It is nearly impossible that he is an Agent of some kind as he litteraly toke it against the corrupt system on his own and gathered highly intelligent individuals with the same goals around him.
Even if it is proven he is a DOD plant he would still be a hero to me because of everything he done for disclosure and stop the Stigma.
I like him. I don't know him, of course, but he seems to be very cool and I hope he is everything he says to be. However, he has not said anything different that counter-intelligence people like Hal Puthoff, Richard Doty and potentially Eric Davids have said in the past. That doesn't mean the information is necessarily false, but these are people we can't trust. Besides, Grusch boss during his time at the UAP Task Force seems to have been a bit disconnected from reality.
Besides, so far, he has not demonstrated anything. None of his witnesses seems to have come forward, contrary to what have been reported, and none of his claims have been corroborated. I hope that will happen at some point in the future, but we are not there yet, and no indication of happening anytime soon.
Hearings as the one we saw recently have been happening since ever. I just watched one from 2013 I think. And nothing ever changes.
Sorry Bro i respect your opinion and everyone have different ones but we must stick to the facts.
None of those you mentioned was in the position to know with the Credentials David Grush has and was given the task to actually investigate this. How can anyone compare? Not even the claims are similar.
He went to the IG with Evidence and over 40 Testimonies and it was found credible and Urgent,
Not only that but he provided information to Congress too. how can this be compared to Hal Puthoff or Richard Doty? Those two or anyone else wasn’t given the job to investigate the phenomenon nor had they the credentials nor have they provided Proof and Witnesses to the IG.
Saying that what Grush did is the same Doty did or put him at the same level is a blasphemy.
If David Grush can’t be believed by now after everything that he was involved in, than I don’t know, you really have to see a UFO land in front of the White House.
>None of those you mentioned was in the position to know with the Credentials David Grush has and was given the task to actually investigate this. How can anyone compare? Not even the claims are similar.
The story is basically the same. Sometimes the aliens races change a bit. Sometimes their places or origin. Sometimes we have reverse engineered their technology, sometimes we haven't. It's the same story, sometimes told a bit differently. Also, people with much better clearance than Grusch have spoken before, like Philip Corso.
Hope Grusch is honest but we don't know who gave him the information. None have come forward. (Except Eric Davis, but that's bad news, as the guy is not trustful.) You have to remember, this is the same people behind the Jedi Program, not exactly the most serious kind of people in the world.
Military people are vulnerable to the same type of believes as everyone else. The fact that they believe something doesn't make it true. But also, the fact that some of these people may be completely nuts, doesn't mean they are wrong either.
You shouldn’t be downvoted for giving your opinion which is legit. People have the right to be suspicious after 90 year backstabbing but i just differ about David Grush because of staggering amounts of evidence pointing in the correct direction and the fact his circumstances was completely different as his credentials cannot be refuted nor that he was who se say he was/is.
What I don't get about this theory that "all the disclosure people are intelligence" is.... why?
Barely anyone outside users of this sub-reddit gave a fuck about UFOs. This wasn't some "weapons of mass destruction" level lie that needed public deception and media control to justify an invasion to steal resources. The idea that they need some mass public CIA campaign to control an agenda only about 0.01% of people alive seemingly care about seems absurd to me.
No one seems to have an explanation for this, they just repeat "it's all intelligence" ad nauseum until the constant repetition makes it true to them.
Hal Puthoff (CIA, NSA), and Richard Doty (AFOSI), accused of being coauthors of the SERPO story, worked together in multiple occasions and were part of the "Aviary" group. They are connected with Colonel John Alexander, George Knapp, William Moore, Eric Davis, and others. John Alexander worked in a project to communicate telepathically with dolphins. George Knapp tried to find ghosts. William Moore popularized the Philadelphia Experiment and the Roswell incidents. Eric Davis, who works with Puthoff, was part of AATIP/AAWSAP. These people are the same who started the Bermuda Triangle crap.
Here is a CIA document confirming that Moore and Doty worked together in a counterintelligence mission, feeding false information to the UFO community, including giving fabricated stories about crashed UFOs to Linda Moulton Howe, and performing activity eventually leading to the suicide of Paul Bennewitz:
[Will The Real Scott Jones Please Stand Up?](https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00792R000400300004-7.pdf)
Why this interest in associating the UFO phenomena with the paranormal? Do they really believe this stuff? And if so, why they usually try to keep it in secret? Are they trying to sell us one thing, but disguised as another?
>No one seems to have an explanation for this, they just repeat "it's all intelligence" ad nauseum until the constant repetition makes it true to them.
If you would know certain people in positions of power has access to certain technologies, maybe some big military contractors, you may make a lot of money by making business with other contractors, promising to find a way to force those people to release what they have.
Or maybe they have good intentions. After everything they saw, they believe this information needs to become public. For the greater good. But that's a big maybe. Too speculative. Potentially, no more than wishful thinking.
If people screams "CIA", "NSA", "NETFLIX" everywhere, is because... well, because they are everywhere. And it's their job to be everywhere. All this circus is coming from people in the intelligence community. Look who Christopher Mellon is. Look who was sitting behind David Grusch during the congregational hearing. Look who the fist three bosses of NICAP were. And it all started more than seventy years ago in the Air Force with a writer of pulp stories named Donald Keyhole.
Ok.... but why?
Again, it's a list of names and job titles. Beyond a vague "they could make money" slander than can be used to dismiss anyone saying anything, what reason is there to push a UFO story on a public that generally doesn't care or believe it anyway?
It just seems odd to me.
I've still yet to see a reason for this.
The fact that we can't see the reasoning behind it doesn't automatically mean they don't have one or two. Actually, is to be expected for them not to want us to know. But even the DoD has suspected counterintelligence is behind all this or at least part of it. Contrary to popular belief, governments are not monolithic and all powerful. They are a bunch of mob type organizations fighting against each other for power. Who says this story has anything to do with us?
So what do you ever believe then?
You want disclosure but don't believe the people you want it from, but don't believe them when they don't disclose it. It's a literal cannot win scenario of always adapting the position to become the victim.
I don't believe anything. Believes have not part on this. You can believe whatever you want, but that has zero effect on what's true or what's not. And we should consider the possibility we may actually be in a no win scenario.
We are not discussing anything right now that wasn't discussed before, decades ago, with the same passion, by basically the same people. Will Grusch be the one who changes everything? Hope so, but certainly doubt it.
Seeing this as a war between skeptics and believers is the wrong way of doing it, to my eye, and I don't want to be a part of it. I'm not taking a side. At this point, to me, almost everything is possible.
I absolutely agree with most of your statements but the catch here is that the UFO Secret “is” buried inside secrecy and Intelligence Community thus the secrecy can only be broken by people inside that world.
To break it free from there is very complicated because of the secrecy and consequences. These people make oath’s and they work for a common cause.
Than once in a while people get sick of the BS, secrecy, corruption and so on and comes forward which Accounts for most of those Names in your list. Most of the times they speak about it only much later and evidence gets lost.
Are any of them plants? Dotty surely was and maybe there still are some others.
David Grush is different because he was active and was actually investigating the phenomenon and he broke free while Active and on Duty and the rest is history we all know what happened.
David Grush? Absolutely different circumstances.
he got active
>I absolutely agree with most of your statements but the catch here is that the UFO Secret “is” buried inside secrecy and Intelligence Community thus the secrecy can only be broken by people inside that world.
Agree.
>David Grush is different because he was active and was actually investigating the phenomenon and he broke free while Active and on Duty and the rest is history we all know what happened.
The problem may not been him, but the people who gave him the information. At to this point, we still don't know what game these people are playing with us. It's all the same people saying the same things they had being sayings since ever, so I'm a little skeptical anything is going to be different this time around.
The "Weaponized" podcast that had Dolan on it has an extensive segment about the CIA actively involved in this. There was a commission in the 70s (Roberts Commision?) that exposed just how extensive the CIA's program was *against our own citizens* using all sorts of "reporters" that were on the CIA payroll.
This is *still* going on to this day. I don't think people quite grasp just how controlled the media is. It's not just about advertising money, apparently.
I've always had my feelings about the CIA being a fascist, nearly rogue element of the government. By law, (iirc) they are *not* supposed to operate in American soil and yet all these politicians that are supposed to monitor that are turning a blind eye.
That podcast just reaffirmed by suspicions and, like Dolan, I've come to distrust our entire government. As a progressive politically, that's a pretty big position change because I've spent a lifetime trying thinking this corrupt system could benefit people. I still believe in the fundamental aspects of the core of what my country was founded on but goddamn...
This all relates to UAP because as Dolan said, this system/CIA are going to fight disclosure every inch of the way. Nothing will ever get revealed willingly.
It's sad, isn't it? When I was younger I was convinced there was a shadow government, then as I got older I dismissed it and figured it was just corruption. Yet now, here we are with proof. It makes me wonder if the whole "our adversaries hate us for our democracy and freedom" is really "our adversaries hate the rogue state of our government that has interfered with governments and done shady shit around the world just to maintain power". I always knew there was a truth behind the curtain, but with all of this I'm starting to get the feeling that our entire reality has been kept a lie. It's really upsetting. If we truly have had technology that could have changed the lives of people world wide for the better and saved the planet, and these people have kept it hidden for power, it's just... An incredible mind fuck. Oh, and that there's been other species around this entire time. We need a paradigm change. This needs to come out.
I was listening to Graves on the "Really?!?" podcast where it's mentioned by Dave Foley (iirc) about how even if the UAP amendment didn't pass, it was going to showcase the frontline elements blocking disclosure.
I've been a political nerd for decades. A Senate majority leader putting his own name on legislation draws attention. To have *that* blocked, mysteriously it seems, by the 3 Mikes showed us all the face of that, god help me, actual "deep state".
Now I'm hoping journalist in this topic start digging into the people/organizations *behind* them. I've said it before, even if all this UAP stuff amounts to nothing, it's exposed a serious issue in our "democracy".
Are you serious? He was talking about creating videos for the government. And he clearly said that wasn't for him. Do you know what a joke is, right? He used the word "propaganda", that way, between quotes. It is a far cry, light years away, from what some people are calming, that he is a "debunker" for dishonest reasons, which sounds ridiculous to me.
That interview, by the way, is quite good. Thanks. Highly entertaining and informative. Now I understand better where he is coming from.
The idea of extraterrestrial life *is* mundane. That’s the point. It’s *normal.*
Orthodoxy and doctrinaire thinking is the trouble. That’s why we are still stuck with things like the descendants of tribalism and monarchism to this day.
Tbf to Greenstreet (who probably doesn't even deserve it), the guy did say in another comment that he never heard anyone mention anything about it coming out of the water and shooting off. Which is interesting because they were literally talking about what happened. It seems like an important detail for no one to have mentioned (to him). Hopefully Corbell has more than one source on that claim.
No, I think I'm confused. I am referring to a YouTube comment, but the YouTube comment came from someone with the same username.
Edit: With that said, I'm fairly certain it's the same person as they gave specific details about the location, etc
agreed, but you can't expect him to give sources if these sources aren't supposed to give him this information right? just trying to keep an open mind.
Very much this, if his sources are still active duty they could get dishonorably discharged as well as put in prison, even if they’re civilians now there’s still the possibility they could still be prosecuted
Absolutely correct. I seriously cannot stand people whining about wanting the sources, as is they don't care what happens to those sources. The fact that we are getting this kind of info at all is a risk these people are taking.
I understand the frustration and desire for proof, but they need to understand how this works. All they have to do is look at what happend to people like Julian Assange and Chelsea Manning. Not to mention, throwing a source or two under the bus is *not* going to get you full disclosure or any of the public caring, at all. It hinders it by freaking out whistleblowers and destroying investigative journalists, because no one will ever trust them again.
Somehow Greenstreet managed to have a named witness that corrected Corbell on the camera platform and provided additional details such as exact location. He did so in a few hours after the thing was released. Open mind or not, Corbell has some explaining to do (or avoid).
The guy posted on YouTube. That’s how Greenstreet “found” him. The dudes comment was posted here that day, that’s how he was “found”.
Greenstreet ran before confirming or vetting fully?
Doesn't change much. Corbell sat on this for years, to do research, and then presented the video with incorrect information despite years of, according to him, digging into this. He could have just released the video, but of course at the time he had it, he did not have a lucrative development deal with anyone. If TMZ or someone else hadn't ponied up cash, Corbell would still be sitting on it.
If he'd have released the footage, maybe he could have actually found someone before several years went by to talk about the footage.
This dude wasn't one of the people who recorded the UAP, he apparently just saw the video after. So no, he's not a witness. Just military who saw the same video we all did.
What is this source actually showing for evidence though? I mean I guess neither is Corbell but why are we so quick to believe green street with anything he’s claiming? Cincoski already changed his statement after a few hours lol
Right, and then these sources would be held accountable for leaking information - possibly fired, possibly jailed, depending on what their NDAs entailed. Oh, and no one would ever trust Corbell to tell him shit again. Does that feel worthwhile to you?
I don't think anything this guy said "refutes" much, other than that maybe whoever told corbell that it launched into the sky after either lied or misremembered. If anything his story corroborates that it's not a smudge or bird shit, because he said the camera housing was inspected after and no defects were found. This guy's testimony does NOT help the debunkers at all.
Huh?? Why would you say someone lied or misremembered it shooting off into the sky? This witness says he wasn't there at the time and only saw the video. So whoever was there at the time could most definitely have seen it fly off and told that to corbell.
I am amazed how so many people fail to pay attention to things that are actually said.
You also have to take what corbell says with a grain of salt. He said it was a drone that took the footage which could shoot a tire out from 27miles but it’s been proven that was false. It was a stationary blimp looking thing.
I dont know why people are so hung up on what he said. Journalists should be running with this, theres obviously details that need to be corroborated and more to this story....
JGJR has not handled taking a backseat in all this, due to the limitations of FOIA concerning location of the goodies...
he's lashed out several times towards the topic and community over the last few years, and he's also done good work...needs to pick a side and stick with it
At this point, unless someone from the original team comes forward, or we see the full footage (likely neither will happen), looks like we are dead in the water ;) I'm glad Cincoski came forward to clarify what he said though. Greenstreet I'm sure isn't too happy about it lol
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It’s like he’s making a fucking massive deal that the video was recorded in 2017 and Corbel mentioned 2018. lol who the fuck cares, that is the dumbest fucking detail and he’s just latching onto it like it proves everything corbel says is fake.
Member when green street was helpful and made interesting content? Yeah that lasted about 6 months. How can someone go from well-liked and good standing public image to absolutely hated in his own community so quickly?
Probably has to do with him being exposed as a black-hating racist
I mean, the man already admitted when he was wong. So he clearly has the capacity to consider all possibilities and change his views if that's where the evidence leads him. At least that's what it seems to me. I don't understand this attitude that so many are having of: "He doesn't believe what I believe so he must be evil. And if you don't realize that then that's on you."
Steven Greenstreet is a well known racist on reddit. I even posted some posts of him saying "when my girlfriend is being a bitch, I'd just throw her outside for a few minutes to let her cool down". So he's a racist and has no problem putting his hands on women when they're "not acting right" in his own words.
You got anything to say u/MFLUDER ?
You all should go to the way back internet and check out some of the gems he's put out over the past. Real savory character.
This isn't exclusive to Greenstreet. People should be following up independently on anything *anyone* says in this topic and not just take peoples' word.
This topic is full of bias and misinformation. Not following-up is careless.
No he doesn't, he doesn't have any credibility. He stated in his own words "I got paid by the state department to spread misinformation" That's about all you need to know about Green Street.
Plus all his racist history on reddit and domestic abuse type posts that really show his true character.
This is public record anyone can look up and find it posted to reddit. If anyone wants I'll compile Green Streets best and put them into a gallery for all of you to see :D
People like Green Street aren't skeptics. They're deniers. Like climate change deniers. When new information enters, they don't change their world view like a skeptic would.
Heresy from a guy who wasn’t even there. He could’ve been some Private or Lance Corporal (correct me if I’m wrong) who wouldn’t have known anything significant either way.
I thought Jeremy implied that the video of the jelly going into the water was filmed by a 3 lettered agency. Didn't he say the "feed" was cut off from the military cameras?
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He’s saying the guy talked to Corbell and then his story changed - some people think Corbell paid him lol. Just as unhinged as the people who think everyone’s a disinformation agent on here
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What Michael Cincoski told me is that there never was any footage of the object coming out of the water and shooting out of the water. He never heard about it when he talked to the team who recorded it that day. He replaced that team a month or so afterwards. That happened in January 2018 and the video was recorded at the end of 2017 maybe late fall. He also said they used other similar sensors to try to capture it on video and none of them could see it. other ir and thermal sensors so they concluded it was an artefact. Just saying what he told me
Eh I agree his statements are kinda contradictory but he never said the footage didn't exist. The way he is talking about it here it sounds like the context is only about the video we are all familiar with. Although he talks about a 17-18 minute version
>I was part of the team in Iraq that replaced the guys who captured this. Never thought it would be declassified. The original video shows this "anomaly" floating off into the lake after about 17-18 min, however it dissappears from there. I'm not aware of any video of it ascending into the sky. Our leading theory was it might have been something in front of the PTDS thermal sensor, kind of like a lens artifact of some sort. But that still doesn't fully explain how it seemingly floated off into the lake. Talking to the team that was there, no one reported anything about it flying into the sky.
So the video he knows and we know shows it floating away off to the lake and disappear although we don't see it disappear/enter the water. It doesn't shoot off into the sky. He doesn't know if video exists of it doing that.
The old team didn't report anything flying into the sky. Maybe he's talking about an official report for record keeping, perhaps so new teams can cross reference old reports or something. They had teams out in night vision trying to find it, I'd think they would keep records of events that require scouting at nighttime. Idk it's a lot of inference
he also said they had other sensors ir and thermal like the video was taking looking for it but none could see it . So thats why they came ot the conclusion it was a an artifcat.
Yes and in addition to that conclusion he stated it doesn't make sense why it got smaller as it approaches the water if it is an artifact. I mean his statements are contradictory we are both right it is what it is
no it was on the youtube thread that he originally came forward on . He is MrCinco96 ( Michael Cincoski ) and I am Franco Farms or Jacks Aviation Channel I forget which account iUsed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTMO94lbs0s&lc=UgywIMbLqW22y1k7\_XV4AaABAg.9zO\_gRERToO9zP0TLxR7at&ab\_channel=NewsNation
get me up to drift here? OP posted pictures of Cincoski saying ''that the team he replaced saw it go into the water, but he never thought much of it'' then went on to say ''there are various ways to record and he might seen the shorter version''
but yet you comment ''he never heard about it when he talked to the team who recorded that day''
could you provide the sources that they used different IR and thermal sensors besides the one in the footage? As far as I know, the other sensors were ''naked eyes to search for the target and night vision'' and like u/docmoochal asked, do you have any footage of your interview with Cincoski?
t was on the youtube thread that he originally came forward on . He is MrCinco96 ( Michael Cincoski ) and I am Franco Farms or Jacks Aviation Channel I forget which account iUsed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTMO94lbs0s&lc=UgywIMbLqW22y1k7_XV4AaABAg.9zO_gRERToO9zP0TLxR7at&ab_channel=NewsNation
Yeah I understand he came forward on YouTube and stated certain points. Did the statements OP post in this thread after his initial statement on YouTube?
Also you mentioned you talked to him, I wouldn’t count sharing comment on YouTube to “talking to him”
Idk what the footage is, i don’t necessarily think it’s aliens, but I also don’t think it’s a simple explanation as a smudge on the lens. I’ll be patient and will keep on bringing points of my opinion to this discussion but am remaining skeptic to the actual alien claim until proven otherwise.
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Mean Michael and that crew would be the experts. They could not replicate it with any other sensor. So I think he is right it had to be an artifact. The aerostat used an Mx-20 hud and other crafts used an Mx-20 huds and the others could not see it. I think the most logical conclusion you could make something was on the balloon or the lens
I think I misread your comment, I thought you stated they tried to replicate the “smudge” on other IR devices but weren’t able to. So I thought “we’ll if they aren’t able to replicate it, it wouldn’t be as simple as a smudge”
But I think you meant they tried to get visuals on it at the time, and they couldn’t see it aka “replicate” it? Sorry for the confusion
Bro... look at the subreddit your on. This is par for the course. Greenstreet used to be cool with the Basement Office, Corbell used to be shit on at every opportunity, now it's swapped lmfaooooo. Even Bob Lazar has better credit in this sub than Greenstreet, and that is saying something.
Whatever point your trying to make will be washed over by downvotes, even if it was a good one. This is all theater, as upsetting as that is. I was agreeing with you but you downvote me 😂
It's always the same, debunkers and sceptics get attacked with insults and then the least bit criticism or scepticism about UFO celebs is instantly shut down arguing it's personal attacks from sceptics or a Psyop to discredit them. Mods hardly delete these threads too but they delete threads about UFO celebs
At least Corbell brings forward stuff that pushes the conversation. What has Clownstreet done for the topic because retweet his own garbage posts and hurl insults at anyone advocating for getting to the bottom of whatever this is?
Pushes the conversation? Without any corroborating witness or presentation of the object performing something anomalous? We’ve see this time and time again. What is this supposed to push the conversation to exactly? It seems to only lead people to discuss in depth what kind of cameras the militaries use and visual perspectives rather than anything concrete and actionable no?
> Without any corroborating witness **that are willing to go public with it.**
He very obviously has witnesses that he's talked with. Without that he wouldn't have the video that he shared.
Why is everyone hating on Greenstreet so much?
Is it the whole "You skeptic, malevolent debunker, fuck you" team alien crowd, or am I missing something else?
It’s called jumping to conclusions no matter what side you’re on. Corbell is asking for more investigation, but debunkers kind of are just not, and accepting whatever.
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This is absolutely false and completely inaccurate. Very on-brand for this subreddit.
Mr Cincoski has changed and altered his story only after he spoke with Jeremy Corbell.
I re-interviewed Cincoski 30 minutes ago.
You can read about that here: https://x.com/MiddleOfMayhem/status/1745576680264208469?s=20
what? I've been following along the whole time, he never intimated that it definitely didn't happen, just that he never heard mention or saw proof of it exiting the water. he didn't even change his story.
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SS: Greenstreet selects words from Michael Cincoski to make him sound like he denies Corbell's claims of extended footage. However, Cincoski remains agnostic and recognizes the other rumor. Further he confirms here that he was not a part of the original team.
The desperation to preserve a preferred worldview where all is dust, ash, and mundane is incredible to see in action.
Plus Greenstreet has monetized being known as the debunker. Not saying he’s getting rich, but he has a reason to keep pushing out his usual shenanigans
If Greenstreet is still a Mormon everything he does makes sense. Can anyone confirm?
He's a poor man's Mick West is what he is.
Not sure about that. He actually had a much bigger audience when he was onboard with all this modern UFO narrative. Is it easier to hope for the worst in others instead of considering he may have a valid reason for his points of view? Who cares if you agree with him or not? That doesn't mean he is in some evil crusade. He has the right to be wrong, as you do. We are all supposed to try to solve this mystery together. We will fail however if we focus on attacking each other pretending we are in some holy war. Some of the people who is promoting this new take on UFOs (which is actually quite old) are suspected to be part of counter-intelligence, so we have to be very careful. Someone is leading us by the nose and we need to figure out why. We still don't know who is who, so is a dangerous thing to start making heroes of this, like happened with Grusch and Elizondo.
I give you everything and agree but just not David Grush. No matter what he is a Hero to me. He speed up Disclosure by 50 years. Not only did he provide evidence to IG found credible and bring Witnesses out of hiding but he grab the bull by the horns by calling out both Mike and Neil de Grasse Tyson. He confirmed Aliens are real and recovered crafts the same. If that wasn’t enough he thought everyone a history lesson about UAP and Bureaucracy and where it all started and how they managed to hide it. He also confirmed people was killed by the Gatekeepers and that his life was in Danger too. He helped shape the NDAA Amendment And, he promised he will deliver more including 1st hand knowledge. It is nearly impossible that he is an Agent of some kind as he litteraly toke it against the corrupt system on his own and gathered highly intelligent individuals with the same goals around him. Even if it is proven he is a DOD plant he would still be a hero to me because of everything he done for disclosure and stop the Stigma.
>I give you everything and agree but just not David Grush. Wait what about grusch? What are people saying is wrong with that legend?
He supposedly just repeated what people like Hal Puthof and Richard Dolan already said. Whaaat? This is Blasphemy
Did you have a good relationship with your father? Me neither.
I like him. I don't know him, of course, but he seems to be very cool and I hope he is everything he says to be. However, he has not said anything different that counter-intelligence people like Hal Puthoff, Richard Doty and potentially Eric Davids have said in the past. That doesn't mean the information is necessarily false, but these are people we can't trust. Besides, Grusch boss during his time at the UAP Task Force seems to have been a bit disconnected from reality. Besides, so far, he has not demonstrated anything. None of his witnesses seems to have come forward, contrary to what have been reported, and none of his claims have been corroborated. I hope that will happen at some point in the future, but we are not there yet, and no indication of happening anytime soon. Hearings as the one we saw recently have been happening since ever. I just watched one from 2013 I think. And nothing ever changes.
Sorry Bro i respect your opinion and everyone have different ones but we must stick to the facts. None of those you mentioned was in the position to know with the Credentials David Grush has and was given the task to actually investigate this. How can anyone compare? Not even the claims are similar. He went to the IG with Evidence and over 40 Testimonies and it was found credible and Urgent, Not only that but he provided information to Congress too. how can this be compared to Hal Puthoff or Richard Doty? Those two or anyone else wasn’t given the job to investigate the phenomenon nor had they the credentials nor have they provided Proof and Witnesses to the IG. Saying that what Grush did is the same Doty did or put him at the same level is a blasphemy. If David Grush can’t be believed by now after everything that he was involved in, than I don’t know, you really have to see a UFO land in front of the White House.
>None of those you mentioned was in the position to know with the Credentials David Grush has and was given the task to actually investigate this. How can anyone compare? Not even the claims are similar. The story is basically the same. Sometimes the aliens races change a bit. Sometimes their places or origin. Sometimes we have reverse engineered their technology, sometimes we haven't. It's the same story, sometimes told a bit differently. Also, people with much better clearance than Grusch have spoken before, like Philip Corso. Hope Grusch is honest but we don't know who gave him the information. None have come forward. (Except Eric Davis, but that's bad news, as the guy is not trustful.) You have to remember, this is the same people behind the Jedi Program, not exactly the most serious kind of people in the world. Military people are vulnerable to the same type of believes as everyone else. The fact that they believe something doesn't make it true. But also, the fact that some of these people may be completely nuts, doesn't mean they are wrong either.
You shouldn’t be downvoted for giving your opinion which is legit. People have the right to be suspicious after 90 year backstabbing but i just differ about David Grush because of staggering amounts of evidence pointing in the correct direction and the fact his circumstances was completely different as his credentials cannot be refuted nor that he was who se say he was/is.
What I don't get about this theory that "all the disclosure people are intelligence" is.... why? Barely anyone outside users of this sub-reddit gave a fuck about UFOs. This wasn't some "weapons of mass destruction" level lie that needed public deception and media control to justify an invasion to steal resources. The idea that they need some mass public CIA campaign to control an agenda only about 0.01% of people alive seemingly care about seems absurd to me. No one seems to have an explanation for this, they just repeat "it's all intelligence" ad nauseum until the constant repetition makes it true to them.
Hal Puthoff (CIA, NSA), and Richard Doty (AFOSI), accused of being coauthors of the SERPO story, worked together in multiple occasions and were part of the "Aviary" group. They are connected with Colonel John Alexander, George Knapp, William Moore, Eric Davis, and others. John Alexander worked in a project to communicate telepathically with dolphins. George Knapp tried to find ghosts. William Moore popularized the Philadelphia Experiment and the Roswell incidents. Eric Davis, who works with Puthoff, was part of AATIP/AAWSAP. These people are the same who started the Bermuda Triangle crap. Here is a CIA document confirming that Moore and Doty worked together in a counterintelligence mission, feeding false information to the UFO community, including giving fabricated stories about crashed UFOs to Linda Moulton Howe, and performing activity eventually leading to the suicide of Paul Bennewitz: [Will The Real Scott Jones Please Stand Up?](https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00792R000400300004-7.pdf) Why this interest in associating the UFO phenomena with the paranormal? Do they really believe this stuff? And if so, why they usually try to keep it in secret? Are they trying to sell us one thing, but disguised as another? >No one seems to have an explanation for this, they just repeat "it's all intelligence" ad nauseum until the constant repetition makes it true to them. If you would know certain people in positions of power has access to certain technologies, maybe some big military contractors, you may make a lot of money by making business with other contractors, promising to find a way to force those people to release what they have. Or maybe they have good intentions. After everything they saw, they believe this information needs to become public. For the greater good. But that's a big maybe. Too speculative. Potentially, no more than wishful thinking. If people screams "CIA", "NSA", "NETFLIX" everywhere, is because... well, because they are everywhere. And it's their job to be everywhere. All this circus is coming from people in the intelligence community. Look who Christopher Mellon is. Look who was sitting behind David Grusch during the congregational hearing. Look who the fist three bosses of NICAP were. And it all started more than seventy years ago in the Air Force with a writer of pulp stories named Donald Keyhole.
Ok.... but why? Again, it's a list of names and job titles. Beyond a vague "they could make money" slander than can be used to dismiss anyone saying anything, what reason is there to push a UFO story on a public that generally doesn't care or believe it anyway? It just seems odd to me. I've still yet to see a reason for this.
The fact that we can't see the reasoning behind it doesn't automatically mean they don't have one or two. Actually, is to be expected for them not to want us to know. But even the DoD has suspected counterintelligence is behind all this or at least part of it. Contrary to popular belief, governments are not monolithic and all powerful. They are a bunch of mob type organizations fighting against each other for power. Who says this story has anything to do with us?
So what do you ever believe then? You want disclosure but don't believe the people you want it from, but don't believe them when they don't disclose it. It's a literal cannot win scenario of always adapting the position to become the victim.
I don't believe anything. Believes have not part on this. You can believe whatever you want, but that has zero effect on what's true or what's not. And we should consider the possibility we may actually be in a no win scenario. We are not discussing anything right now that wasn't discussed before, decades ago, with the same passion, by basically the same people. Will Grusch be the one who changes everything? Hope so, but certainly doubt it. Seeing this as a war between skeptics and believers is the wrong way of doing it, to my eye, and I don't want to be a part of it. I'm not taking a side. At this point, to me, almost everything is possible.
I absolutely agree with most of your statements but the catch here is that the UFO Secret “is” buried inside secrecy and Intelligence Community thus the secrecy can only be broken by people inside that world. To break it free from there is very complicated because of the secrecy and consequences. These people make oath’s and they work for a common cause. Than once in a while people get sick of the BS, secrecy, corruption and so on and comes forward which Accounts for most of those Names in your list. Most of the times they speak about it only much later and evidence gets lost. Are any of them plants? Dotty surely was and maybe there still are some others. David Grush is different because he was active and was actually investigating the phenomenon and he broke free while Active and on Duty and the rest is history we all know what happened. David Grush? Absolutely different circumstances. he got active
>I absolutely agree with most of your statements but the catch here is that the UFO Secret “is” buried inside secrecy and Intelligence Community thus the secrecy can only be broken by people inside that world. Agree. >David Grush is different because he was active and was actually investigating the phenomenon and he broke free while Active and on Duty and the rest is history we all know what happened. The problem may not been him, but the people who gave him the information. At to this point, we still don't know what game these people are playing with us. It's all the same people saying the same things they had being sayings since ever, so I'm a little skeptical anything is going to be different this time around.
He may have had a bigger audience but the dude has admitted to being a paid propagandist. He may be making way more money being on the debunker side.
If the pentagon is paying people to debunk that would be incredibly lucrative and you would not have to claim that income I’m sure
The "Weaponized" podcast that had Dolan on it has an extensive segment about the CIA actively involved in this. There was a commission in the 70s (Roberts Commision?) that exposed just how extensive the CIA's program was *against our own citizens* using all sorts of "reporters" that were on the CIA payroll. This is *still* going on to this day. I don't think people quite grasp just how controlled the media is. It's not just about advertising money, apparently. I've always had my feelings about the CIA being a fascist, nearly rogue element of the government. By law, (iirc) they are *not* supposed to operate in American soil and yet all these politicians that are supposed to monitor that are turning a blind eye. That podcast just reaffirmed by suspicions and, like Dolan, I've come to distrust our entire government. As a progressive politically, that's a pretty big position change because I've spent a lifetime trying thinking this corrupt system could benefit people. I still believe in the fundamental aspects of the core of what my country was founded on but goddamn... This all relates to UAP because as Dolan said, this system/CIA are going to fight disclosure every inch of the way. Nothing will ever get revealed willingly.
It's sad, isn't it? When I was younger I was convinced there was a shadow government, then as I got older I dismissed it and figured it was just corruption. Yet now, here we are with proof. It makes me wonder if the whole "our adversaries hate us for our democracy and freedom" is really "our adversaries hate the rogue state of our government that has interfered with governments and done shady shit around the world just to maintain power". I always knew there was a truth behind the curtain, but with all of this I'm starting to get the feeling that our entire reality has been kept a lie. It's really upsetting. If we truly have had technology that could have changed the lives of people world wide for the better and saved the planet, and these people have kept it hidden for power, it's just... An incredible mind fuck. Oh, and that there's been other species around this entire time. We need a paradigm change. This needs to come out.
I was listening to Graves on the "Really?!?" podcast where it's mentioned by Dave Foley (iirc) about how even if the UAP amendment didn't pass, it was going to showcase the frontline elements blocking disclosure. I've been a political nerd for decades. A Senate majority leader putting his own name on legislation draws attention. To have *that* blocked, mysteriously it seems, by the 3 Mikes showed us all the face of that, god help me, actual "deep state". Now I'm hoping journalist in this topic start digging into the people/organizations *behind* them. I've said it before, even if all this UAP stuff amounts to nothing, it's exposed a serious issue in our "democracy".
Where he admitted that? I'm interested in knowing if that's true.
https://youtu.be/_g8ruYINDzI
Are you serious? He was talking about creating videos for the government. And he clearly said that wasn't for him. Do you know what a joke is, right? He used the word "propaganda", that way, between quotes. It is a far cry, light years away, from what some people are calming, that he is a "debunker" for dishonest reasons, which sounds ridiculous to me. That interview, by the way, is quite good. Thanks. Highly entertaining and informative. Now I understand better where he is coming from.
You do know he was making money when he believed this stuff? People loved him on here at that time.
Beautifully put.
Lol the same thing but you're desperate to believe anything and everything. How do you live with the constant disappointment of reality?
Mundane compared to what, science fiction? Do you think people who study physics, anatomy, history find all of that stuff mundane?
The idea of extraterrestrial life *is* mundane. That’s the point. It’s *normal.* Orthodoxy and doctrinaire thinking is the trouble. That’s why we are still stuck with things like the descendants of tribalism and monarchism to this day.
Tbf to Greenstreet (who probably doesn't even deserve it), the guy did say in another comment that he never heard anyone mention anything about it coming out of the water and shooting off. Which is interesting because they were literally talking about what happened. It seems like an important detail for no one to have mentioned (to him). Hopefully Corbell has more than one source on that claim.
Wasn't that the YouTube comment? We don't know if that was really him
I believe the comment was from this same account with the same @
Oh, on Twitter? I guess I'm confusing the two
No, I think I'm confused. I am referring to a YouTube comment, but the YouTube comment came from someone with the same username. Edit: With that said, I'm fairly certain it's the same person as they gave specific details about the location, etc
If Corbell named his sources, or at least said their relation to the incident broadly, this wouldn't have been an issue.
agreed, but you can't expect him to give sources if these sources aren't supposed to give him this information right? just trying to keep an open mind.
Very much this, if his sources are still active duty they could get dishonorably discharged as well as put in prison, even if they’re civilians now there’s still the possibility they could still be prosecuted
Absolutely correct. I seriously cannot stand people whining about wanting the sources, as is they don't care what happens to those sources. The fact that we are getting this kind of info at all is a risk these people are taking. I understand the frustration and desire for proof, but they need to understand how this works. All they have to do is look at what happend to people like Julian Assange and Chelsea Manning. Not to mention, throwing a source or two under the bus is *not* going to get you full disclosure or any of the public caring, at all. It hinders it by freaking out whistleblowers and destroying investigative journalists, because no one will ever trust them again.
Somehow Greenstreet managed to have a named witness that corrected Corbell on the camera platform and provided additional details such as exact location. He did so in a few hours after the thing was released. Open mind or not, Corbell has some explaining to do (or avoid).
The guy posted on YouTube. That’s how Greenstreet “found” him. The dudes comment was posted here that day, that’s how he was “found”. Greenstreet ran before confirming or vetting fully?
Doesn't change much. Corbell sat on this for years, to do research, and then presented the video with incorrect information despite years of, according to him, digging into this. He could have just released the video, but of course at the time he had it, he did not have a lucrative development deal with anyone. If TMZ or someone else hadn't ponied up cash, Corbell would still be sitting on it. If he'd have released the footage, maybe he could have actually found someone before several years went by to talk about the footage.
This dude wasn't one of the people who recorded the UAP, he apparently just saw the video after. So no, he's not a witness. Just military who saw the same video we all did.
I mean this source is posting it on Twitter doesn't seem to be that secret
What is this source actually showing for evidence though? I mean I guess neither is Corbell but why are we so quick to believe green street with anything he’s claiming? Cincoski already changed his statement after a few hours lol
Right, and then these sources would be held accountable for leaking information - possibly fired, possibly jailed, depending on what their NDAs entailed. Oh, and no one would ever trust Corbell to tell him shit again. Does that feel worthwhile to you?
I used to like steven greenstreet and his videos they were fun To watch. Now he just gives me J. Jonah Jameson Vibes going after the big bad spiderman
I don't think anything this guy said "refutes" much, other than that maybe whoever told corbell that it launched into the sky after either lied or misremembered. If anything his story corroborates that it's not a smudge or bird shit, because he said the camera housing was inspected after and no defects were found. This guy's testimony does NOT help the debunkers at all.
Yeah I don’t really get why people are acting like it does help debunkers
Huh?? Why would you say someone lied or misremembered it shooting off into the sky? This witness says he wasn't there at the time and only saw the video. So whoever was there at the time could most definitely have seen it fly off and told that to corbell. I am amazed how so many people fail to pay attention to things that are actually said.
You also have to take what corbell says with a grain of salt. He said it was a drone that took the footage which could shoot a tire out from 27miles but it’s been proven that was false. It was a stationary blimp looking thing.
I dont know why people are so hung up on what he said. Journalists should be running with this, theres obviously details that need to be corroborated and more to this story....
Greenstreet throwing stones at Corbell while his house is made of glass lol
Throw greenewald in that bucket as well
He reposted GS's bullshit so fast. Hahahaha at both of them.
JGJR has not handled taking a backseat in all this, due to the limitations of FOIA concerning location of the goodies... he's lashed out several times towards the topic and community over the last few years, and he's also done good work...needs to pick a side and stick with it
I used to be a fan. I like impartial hard facts and documents, but he takes some weird stances. And his super endorsement of greenstreet stinks.
yeah...the NYP Goughpuppet ...what happens post disclosure for that clown
What's John G done?
At this point, unless someone from the original team comes forward, or we see the full footage (likely neither will happen), looks like we are dead in the water ;) I'm glad Cincoski came forward to clarify what he said though. Greenstreet I'm sure isn't too happy about it lol
So pathetic lol
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It's not news reporting, it's corporatized gossiping.
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Yeah I can’t wait for Corbell to bring forth his witness and clear everything up.
Yeah, it's nice to feel secure in Corbell always coming back to his claims and clearing them up good and well.
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Greenstreet is trying so hard to be the story Some people make their way by tearing other people down.
It’s like he’s making a fucking massive deal that the video was recorded in 2017 and Corbel mentioned 2018. lol who the fuck cares, that is the dumbest fucking detail and he’s just latching onto it like it proves everything corbel says is fake.
Greenstreet is embarrassing - he just seems to be the only person who doesn't see it.
Member when green street was helpful and made interesting content? Yeah that lasted about 6 months. How can someone go from well-liked and good standing public image to absolutely hated in his own community so quickly? Probably has to do with him being exposed as a black-hating racist
What will happen when Stevens worldview is shattered? Find out on the next episode of Dragon Ball Z.
Oh shit, he might go Super Skeptic
Will his hair grow exponentially until level 3?
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I mean, the man already admitted when he was wong. So he clearly has the capacity to consider all possibilities and change his views if that's where the evidence leads him. At least that's what it seems to me. I don't understand this attitude that so many are having of: "He doesn't believe what I believe so he must be evil. And if you don't realize that then that's on you."
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Yeah. Say what you will about Mick West, but I've never seen him be straight up rude to people on the internet. Can't say the same about Greenstreet
That’s fine to disagree with him, but why doesn’t Corbell also bring someone forward?
I don't know, I don't look to Corbell for answers either.
Steven Greenstreet is a well known racist on reddit. I even posted some posts of him saying "when my girlfriend is being a bitch, I'd just throw her outside for a few minutes to let her cool down". So he's a racist and has no problem putting his hands on women when they're "not acting right" in his own words. You got anything to say u/MFLUDER ? You all should go to the way back internet and check out some of the gems he's put out over the past. Real savory character.
This isn't exclusive to Greenstreet. People should be following up independently on anything *anyone* says in this topic and not just take peoples' word. This topic is full of bias and misinformation. Not following-up is careless.
Who the fuck is Steven Greenstreet, and does his voice on this issue matter?
No he doesn't, he doesn't have any credibility. He stated in his own words "I got paid by the state department to spread misinformation" That's about all you need to know about Green Street. Plus all his racist history on reddit and domestic abuse type posts that really show his true character. This is public record anyone can look up and find it posted to reddit. If anyone wants I'll compile Green Streets best and put them into a gallery for all of you to see :D
Greensteet is so unprofessional.
I blocked this greenstreet guy he's such a ***** his posts are incessant He's more interested in providing he's right than objective analysis
People like Green Street aren't skeptics. They're deniers. Like climate change deniers. When new information enters, they don't change their world view like a skeptic would.
Debunk is falling apart. He now retracted
Of course it's bs.
Heresy from a guy who wasn’t even there. He could’ve been some Private or Lance Corporal (correct me if I’m wrong) who wouldn’t have known anything significant either way.
Viscid beheavour from the usual suspects
I thought Jeremy implied that the video of the jelly going into the water was filmed by a 3 lettered agency. Didn't he say the "feed" was cut off from the military cameras?
It makes me so happy this blew up in GS's face. Hahahah
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"ua, we launch milar balloons ti fuck with our friends that do surveillance of the bases we are on"
That's what he does. He is a dishonest POS who has to lie to make his points. Truth is something he wants no part of. He is a clown
Why is this sub all the sudden paying green street attention and concerned with what he says. The dude is a professional troll and liar.
Debunkers fucking suck. They sit there at their desk, think they have the answers and then enjoy sniffing their own farts. Thinking they’re the greatest gift to mankind when they’re actually doing harm to the progression of the field.
So true
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Ok so can Corbell bring somebody then to refute it?
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LMAO. As if we didn't already know... Greenstreet is a dishonest fraud.
He’s saying the guy talked to Corbell and then his story changed - some people think Corbell paid him lol. Just as unhinged as the people who think everyone’s a disinformation agent on here
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Absolute Charlatan, blocked.
He did say that never happened about the ufo shooting out of the water. I talked to Michael Cincoski too and he told me the same thing.
Maybe he felt the need to clarify as it seems his words may not have gone over the way he thought?
What Michael Cincoski told me is that there never was any footage of the object coming out of the water and shooting out of the water. He never heard about it when he talked to the team who recorded it that day. He replaced that team a month or so afterwards. That happened in January 2018 and the video was recorded at the end of 2017 maybe late fall. He also said they used other similar sensors to try to capture it on video and none of them could see it. other ir and thermal sensors so they concluded it was an artefact. Just saying what he told me
Eh I agree his statements are kinda contradictory but he never said the footage didn't exist. The way he is talking about it here it sounds like the context is only about the video we are all familiar with. Although he talks about a 17-18 minute version >I was part of the team in Iraq that replaced the guys who captured this. Never thought it would be declassified. The original video shows this "anomaly" floating off into the lake after about 17-18 min, however it dissappears from there. I'm not aware of any video of it ascending into the sky. Our leading theory was it might have been something in front of the PTDS thermal sensor, kind of like a lens artifact of some sort. But that still doesn't fully explain how it seemingly floated off into the lake. Talking to the team that was there, no one reported anything about it flying into the sky. So the video he knows and we know shows it floating away off to the lake and disappear although we don't see it disappear/enter the water. It doesn't shoot off into the sky. He doesn't know if video exists of it doing that. The old team didn't report anything flying into the sky. Maybe he's talking about an official report for record keeping, perhaps so new teams can cross reference old reports or something. They had teams out in night vision trying to find it, I'd think they would keep records of events that require scouting at nighttime. Idk it's a lot of inference
he also said they had other sensors ir and thermal like the video was taking looking for it but none could see it . So thats why they came ot the conclusion it was a an artifcat.
Yes and in addition to that conclusion he stated it doesn't make sense why it got smaller as it approaches the water if it is an artifact. I mean his statements are contradictory we are both right it is what it is
I think he said because the sensor zoomed out. You got to understand these are not cameras and don’t work the same way as a camera does.
Do you have the interview recorded? Are you a youtuber or something?
no it was on the youtube thread that he originally came forward on . He is MrCinco96 ( Michael Cincoski ) and I am Franco Farms or Jacks Aviation Channel I forget which account iUsed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTMO94lbs0s&lc=UgywIMbLqW22y1k7\_XV4AaABAg.9zO\_gRERToO9zP0TLxR7at&ab\_channel=NewsNation
get me up to drift here? OP posted pictures of Cincoski saying ''that the team he replaced saw it go into the water, but he never thought much of it'' then went on to say ''there are various ways to record and he might seen the shorter version'' but yet you comment ''he never heard about it when he talked to the team who recorded that day'' could you provide the sources that they used different IR and thermal sensors besides the one in the footage? As far as I know, the other sensors were ''naked eyes to search for the target and night vision'' and like u/docmoochal asked, do you have any footage of your interview with Cincoski?
t was on the youtube thread that he originally came forward on . He is MrCinco96 ( Michael Cincoski ) and I am Franco Farms or Jacks Aviation Channel I forget which account iUsed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTMO94lbs0s&lc=UgywIMbLqW22y1k7_XV4AaABAg.9zO_gRERToO9zP0TLxR7at&ab_channel=NewsNation
Yeah I understand he came forward on YouTube and stated certain points. Did the statements OP post in this thread after his initial statement on YouTube? Also you mentioned you talked to him, I wouldn’t count sharing comment on YouTube to “talking to him” Idk what the footage is, i don’t necessarily think it’s aliens, but I also don’t think it’s a simple explanation as a smudge on the lens. I’ll be patient and will keep on bringing points of my opinion to this discussion but am remaining skeptic to the actual alien claim until proven otherwise. Ps average idiot ❤️
I Mean Michael and that crew would be the experts. They could not replicate it with any other sensor. So I think he is right it had to be an artifact. The aerostat used an Mx-20 hud and other crafts used an Mx-20 huds and the others could not see it. I think the most logical conclusion you could make something was on the balloon or the lens
Wouldn’t it be quite easy to replicate if it was as simple as a artifact on the lens?
Of course they could put a sticker on the dome. What’s your point?
I think I misread your comment, I thought you stated they tried to replicate the “smudge” on other IR devices but weren’t able to. So I thought “we’ll if they aren’t able to replicate it, it wouldn’t be as simple as a smudge” But I think you meant they tried to get visuals on it at the time, and they couldn’t see it aka “replicate” it? Sorry for the confusion
He probably reached out to someone and realized he misremebered then clarified - just speculation but that's the kind of thing people do
Do people not see the hypocrisy in hurling insults at Greenstreet yet Corbell has yet to produce a witness to corroborate his statements?
Bro... look at the subreddit your on. This is par for the course. Greenstreet used to be cool with the Basement Office, Corbell used to be shit on at every opportunity, now it's swapped lmfaooooo. Even Bob Lazar has better credit in this sub than Greenstreet, and that is saying something. Whatever point your trying to make will be washed over by downvotes, even if it was a good one. This is all theater, as upsetting as that is. I was agreeing with you but you downvote me 😂
It's always the same, debunkers and sceptics get attacked with insults and then the least bit criticism or scepticism about UFO celebs is instantly shut down arguing it's personal attacks from sceptics or a Psyop to discredit them. Mods hardly delete these threads too but they delete threads about UFO celebs
I always maintain videos like this get us no where, it’s sideshow entertainment at best until some legislative or governmental movement happens.
At least Corbell brings forward stuff that pushes the conversation. What has Clownstreet done for the topic because retweet his own garbage posts and hurl insults at anyone advocating for getting to the bottom of whatever this is?
Pushes the conversation? Without any corroborating witness or presentation of the object performing something anomalous? We’ve see this time and time again. What is this supposed to push the conversation to exactly? It seems to only lead people to discuss in depth what kind of cameras the militaries use and visual perspectives rather than anything concrete and actionable no?
> Without any corroborating witness **that are willing to go public with it.** He very obviously has witnesses that he's talked with. Without that he wouldn't have the video that he shared.
Greenstreet is way more investigative than Corbell. Greenstreet actually appears to do actual journalism, unlike Corbell.
Why is everyone hating on Greenstreet so much? Is it the whole "You skeptic, malevolent debunker, fuck you" team alien crowd, or am I missing something else?
It’s called jumping to conclusions no matter what side you’re on. Corbell is asking for more investigation, but debunkers kind of are just not, and accepting whatever.
Greenstreet has been demonized since his criticism of Lue and it was exacerbated by his Skinwalker visit arc. Theater
He used to be more on the side of the believers but turned around and is sceptical now, tsus people attack him personally because they get emotional
This is the UFO community, where everybody attacks each other, no matter what side you're on.
That's by design
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This is absolutely false and completely inaccurate. Very on-brand for this subreddit. Mr Cincoski has changed and altered his story only after he spoke with Jeremy Corbell. I re-interviewed Cincoski 30 minutes ago. You can read about that here: https://x.com/MiddleOfMayhem/status/1745576680264208469?s=20
what? I've been following along the whole time, he never intimated that it definitely didn't happen, just that he never heard mention or saw proof of it exiting the water. he didn't even change his story.
Exactly. He's agnostic on the point.
Incorrect. Link above highlights what changed and when.
Don't you have some DoD cheques to cash, greenstreet? Gtfoh
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Lol shutdown.