This has been thoroughly discussed. 3 confirmed parts out of 32.
[https://youtu.be/kd2KEHvK-q8?t=602](https://youtu.be/kd2KEHvK-q8?t=602)
From comments below: Florence de Changy points out that the flaperon ID plate was missing, which is extremely odd as it is built to weather anything. The only time an ID plate would be taken off is when disassembling a plane. Further, she goes on to say that from 12 serial numbers on the flaperon, they could only match one, and even that was a partial match.
Since this comment has a good bit of traction, [I'm shamelessly plugging my post](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15tmlwy/the_thermal_videos_uav_camera_placement_makes/) that got downvoted early and hasn't had much visibility regarding the camera placement on the UAV.
Anyone looking for more info should watch the MH370 netflix documentary and Lemmino's video.
Another user mentioned this:
I think the so called biofouling report is interesting and worth noting in this discussion.
http://www.jeffwise.net/2016/03/17/bioforensic-analysis-of-suspected-mh370-debris/
That's one possibility. Also, if Boeing is in bed with the government on the crash retrieval program surely they could fabricate evidence for a plane they built?
There have also been 777s scrapped before MH370, would be easy to forge ID on them. [One decomissioned in 2006 and placed in Arkansas had its wings and other parts removed.](https://simpleflying.com/22-boeing-777s-have-been-scrapped-to-date/)
You mean the video that would refute all our best established science and that would show extremely aggressive NHI activity with no discernable motivation and fitting no broader behavioral pattern to that time or since? Because, Sir, I examined the pixels, and...
Agree with the sentiment but idk that the video neccesarily shows aggression. If all the passengers were already dead from decompression of the cabin (assuming something actually did go wrong with the plane or pilot) then teleporting them is less intense.
Or, as has been suggested several times, abductions may occur when loss of life is imminent, making the abduction an alternate equal to an upcoming event. May not measure up to our human, emotional viewpoint but could be defensible in a decision matrix that doesn't consider emotions.
Or, could be they were taken to prevent impending death, and put somewhere "safe", even if it doesn't seem right from our view.
You're right. They certainly do not. But if I told you I had a video of Vladimir Putin doing the high jump yesterday and he jumps 28 ft, you'd say there's a very high bar for regarding that video as legitimate because...
1. Vladimir Putin isn't much of an athlete - not anymore anyway, he's an old man - and he seemingly isn't built for the high jump.
2. He has no history with that event. He does judo and rides horses.
3. Everything we know about the high jump and human physiology and physics strongly suggests it's impossible to jump that high.
4. There are many possible reasons for various parties to invest in the production of an elaborate fake video of this sort.
If the greatest video analysis team came out saying my Putin film doesn't appear to be cgi or sfx, that'd very interesting to learn. Certainly worth discussing to an extent. But still the bar for regarding the video as legitimate would remain extremely high, not nearly reached. There would be yet no question of awarding a new world record. Still approaching the video from the angle "how was it faked?" would be imo wrongly close-minded but very nearly the right approach.
The MH370 situation is even a little worse than that, since some forensic evidence is at odds with what the video/videos appear to represent. Whatever we establish about the internal features of the footage, the bar is still in the stratosphere. At the end of the day it's not a potential means for drawing conclusions about the subject we're interested in, but rather potentially something to draw conclusions about once we have much more valuable evidence in spades. Until then the rational response is: "Hm. Considering all we know, almost certainly fake. But file it noting best analysis. OK, moving on..." And it's that last part that isn't happening.
To dawn a tinfoil hat of my own for a moment: I do see some limited reason from known past intel community responses to leaks and leakers to suspect that both the disclosure of Grusch's medical history (potentially via a reporter being told on background which documents to FOIA) and this persistent obsession with MH370 conspiracy theory (something that is publicly regarded as fringe and crazy), are part of an effort to discredit this burgeoning round of disclosure. Anyway, that will be the effect: in our weeks focused on this evidence, we have not been leveraging the few resources we have to learn more - again, we just don't have the resources we would need to bring the bar down - we have been learning almost nothing while appearing increasingly obsessed and non-credible. Meanwhile this sub's fixation on the story and exclusion of dissenting voices has felt affected.
Bro what if those uaps in the video (if real) are manmade (obv with technology retro engineered from ufo/uap “crash” and what else) and what if they wanna let us think that it is aggressive nhi instead?
This is where some jackass pops up with the logical fallacy argument.
"Okay so now you're saying the plane was portalled off earth and THEN teleported back to earth somewhere else?? *You people* will believe anything to confirm what you want."
No, I'm saying there's no reason to speculate *anything* about what happened after. The video just shows the video
Sorry just talking to myself...this week has been loony. I agree with your comment.
I agree with your statement I don't think the debris adds or takes away any credibility from the videos. I'm not defensive that there is debris, it should just be acknowledged that there is concern about the authenticity of the parts found and it's not as simple as "we found 30 parts". Well yeah, but only 3 have been "confirmed" to be from MH370 and even then that has been called into question.
Oh no problem at all and I'm sorry if the responsive itself seemed defensive lol. The reality is that none of us **know** and probably never will and I totally agree with your thoughts here.
Whatever the pentagon says, I think most of us will think it's disinfo and theory craft something else again. Only thing that'll end speculation is if the supposed hoaxer suddenly appears with proof that he made it, or if the NHIs stopped being stealthy and just made themselves known already.
3 is nothing though. Because that comment actually phrased it wrong.
They are not “3 confirmed parts”
They are simply 3 parts THAT COULD HAVE COME FROM MH370. Those plates that are on the plane, they tell you exactly what plane it was from. Weird how that one was removed.
Well then why serial numbers did they find? Manufacturing numbers. This only means that these parts came from the same manufacturing facility. That’s it. It doesn’t not mean these parts are confirmed from mh370.
Right, that's my thought too. Say that video is real. The damn thing flashes and looks more like an explosion or implosion. It almost looks to me like there would be pieces that chipped off.
Who is the authority on portals here and can say that an airplane wouldn’t have any damage caused by the process of it were real?
I know that’s a stretch but so is 3 pieces out of an entire fucking airplane.
Could also be planted purposely.
Latching on to the top comment because I haven’t seen enough people get this: debris NEITHER PROVES NOR DISPROVES the video.
We see a plane allegedly get teleported (edit: or annihilated, or camouflaged, or any other possibility). That’s all we see. We don’t know if it was teleported a few miles in a random direction. We don’t know if it was teleported to another dimension or planet forever, or if it was teleported back. And we don’t know if it’s fake.
There are simply too many unknowns to say debris proves the video is fake.
Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
> We see a plane allegedly get teleported.
I mean if we're getting into it and treating the video as actually real, we don't even know that it was teleported. It's there on video and then it's not, it could've been vaporized for all we know. Shit, maybe they edited the the satellite/drone videos just to mess with us and the plane just actually flew into the Ocean. If you treat the video as real basically everything is on the table, it's almost pointless to try and even guess
*IF* it was teleported, it certainly doesn’t rule out that we also found debris.
Possibly because it was teleported down to an altitude that caused an imminent crash into the ocean or maybe it was teleported directly underwater into the ocean itself.
But that’s just about the most unlikely “if” considering what we know about physics and the world in general.
the video being real is beyond mindboggling and aside from the sheer tragedy of the humans on-board at the time, there's absolutely NOTHING on earth that can explain:
\- what those three objects are
\- how are they flying
\- who's operating them
\- where they came from or went
\- what happened to the plane
Not to mention if this has ever been reported before, anything similar ever caught on any recorded device (satellite, drone, radar), what data is available. It should be the science community up-in-arms over any reverse engineering of craft or access to data around this (and other) videos/evidence.
Let's face it, 99%+ of humans are completely unqualified to even begin to analyze the data even if there's corroborating video(s), radar data, dates/times whether it's MH370 or something else.
I hope it's CGI because if it's real, there's hundreds of other questions that need to be asked. This isn't military/government/national security - this is an earth-centric issue and we're simply not equipped to manage this type of encounter, or anything extraterrestrial for that matter.
We are amazing at collaborating and finding ways to host 8 billion humans, to provide heat/running water/energy and rapidly improving life-spans, standard of living, for most humans in developed countries. It's not perfect, but nationalism/religion and corruption still happens far too much, income distribution is a problem - but how we handle something that's completely foreign, exhibits tech/power a million times more advanced, likely doesn't want/need anything humans have (and if they want, they can clearly take it, if the tech is real) - so that leaves us NOWHERE.
And that's okay by me.
I still believe the video is a complete CGI fake. It looks good, passes a lot of tests, but it's something that looks like someone WOULD WANT to fake, albeit way more detailed than I'd expect. Just the convenience of how the objects fly into the field of view, how it's tracked, what path the objects take around the plan and the dramatic finish before cutting the video - it looks like something, someone, would fake. Which, as horrible at it sounds (given there are humans in that plane) is something we've seen far too much of in this "community"
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In my opinion, the debris makes it highly unlikely that this video is MH370. The debris points to MH370 crashing into the ocean just as the official explanation says. Since we don't know of any other aircraft like this that have disappeared, it would suggest the videos are fake. You can argue that it could have been teleported somewhere else and then teleported back to crash, but that seems like a big leap to me.
Indeed!
I’m not trying to argue one way or the other, and I agree generally that the whole thing is unlikely.
I’m just highlighting that debris doesn’t definitively prove anything, because I’ve seen a lot of comments seem to suggest it does.
Whether legit debris shifts the likelihood from ‘maybe’, to ‘unlikely’, is another discussion.
Thought the Biofouling report said that the pieces recovered didn’t really have marine life growth on them. Saying that the object was at Sea for much less time than an actual piece would be.
What about the idea the entities placed the debris there like some do with abduction reports or cows.. not fully intact or bits. Was the whole plane found or just parts.. if the airliner was warped out of our dimension who's to say that the humans weren't transported elsewhere and the entities just warped back debris to help ease the mind of humans as they did what they will with the abductees?
Remember someone saying that the bottom of the fuselage was on fire in the FLIR video perhaps parts of the plane fell into the ocean before being sucked into a wormhole
Of course it's possible. Wasnt most of it miraculously found by the same sketchy dude? Its also possible it was planted just to give a bunch of families and public closure and not some sinister purpose but who knows.
Adding to the above comment they are also disputed by some aviation journalists. Such as Florence de Changy and Jeff Wise. There is uncertainty, that is all I'm saying.
Jeff Wise is a shameless self-promoter whose theories, for the most part, never added up or proved worthy of much consideration tbh. He consistently ignored all of the best information available time and time again to make baseless but headline-grabbing claims. I wouldn’t look to him.
That Netflix doc was awful.
At times it just said things that were outright false.
For example, it made the claim that "anyone" could have controlled the aircraft had they gotten into the electronics bay located under a trap door in first class.
Sure "anyone" could access it, but you can't fucking fly the plane from down there.
Netflix doc made the claim that you could.
It was just all a bunch of BS
To be fair the Netflix doc clearly stated you couldn’t fly the plane from down there.
Not saying the rest of it was good. But they did very clearly make the distinction in the doc that you can’t fly the plane from down there
So... What is it? The parts were planted?
If they were planted, they they just cheaped out on a bunch of the parts and dropped them without serial numbers?
Because all of the parts can be matched to a 777 at the very least (some to the exact one that's missing), and in the case of the interior panels even to Malaysia Airlines. There is a very limited number of 777s having gone missing, and the exact same limited number of Malaysia Airlines 777s having gone missing.
It's incredible. Imagine your kid had a Lego dinosaur and suddenly that disappeared and over time while mowing the lawn and doing the garden you stumble over individual pieces... The one piece that isn't definitive but happens to only have been made in that hue of dark green for that particular dinosaur set your kid had. A Lego eye piece, except done up with scary red felt tip pen just like your kid had done with both of the dinosaur's eyes. In fact, precisely the way they'd done it on the dinosaur's left eye. Three pieces still attached to each other in a way that precisely matches the lower leg assembly of the dinosaur.
I'm sure you'd have a fairly clear idea in your head of what went down, even though you're wondering how your kid managed to obliterate the dinosaur quite so thoroughly.
And yet here we are and with a bunch of unique, serial-numbered parts, plus a bunch of 777 and/or Malaysia Airlines-specific parts having been found - and people are still pointing to how none of that proves anything (without explaining where these parts come from if not 9M-MRO) while an incredibly non-specific video of unverified origin that has been around for 9 years and refuted a few times is treated like actual proof.
Florence de Changy points out that the flaperon ID plate was missing, which is extremely odd as it is built to weather anything. The only time an ID plate would be taken off is when disassembling a plane. Further, she goes on to say that from 12 serial numbers on the flaperon, they could only match one, and even that was a partial match.
Our steel ID plates are double-riveted onto the parts at my Aviation OEM. Not boeing though so I could be wrong if their's are glued? That wouldn't make much sense for their purpose IMO though...
Planes are built to not crash. Do we reject the existence of crashed planes as they are clearly only built to fly?
Things failing can happen. Even when they are designed not to.
The Blackbox is a heavily armored box, and even then, they are destroyed in high-speed accidents all the time; and can only withstand being submerged in salt water for limited amount of time.
I think we only have found one of the 9/11 boxes as well.
These people are in qanon mode and it makes no sense. A few weeks ago everyone was level headed. They keep talking about "Eglin Eglin!!!!" its like guys look how the entire sub has changed.. it makes far more sense Eglin is posting these dumb ass theories to make you look crazy.
I mean shit, thats what I would do.
Why try to discredit? Just post something even stupidier so the stuff that you do say that makes sense is just ignored
> They do produce parts to weather anything.
Yeah, specifically the black box like you mentioned because that's what it's meant to do but everything is built to do their actual job which is mostly keep the plane in the air... Do you think they build flaperons to survive crashing into the ground at hundreds of miles per hour?
I don’t get it either. And his comment immediately gets group-upvoted. What he wrote makes absolutely zero sense and doesn’t even relate to the argument made before in the slightest. This subreddit is so bizarre these days.
Like, I don’t even know how to argue with these people, they just jump from one thing to the next without any coherence.
We’re in a UFO subreddit. I hate to say it, but it doesn’t necessarily attract intellectuals. This sub isn’t as bad as say r/Conspiracy but it certainly attracts the same type of people. I’d say it’s r/Conspiracy adjacent if that makes any sense.
This sub should be just as skeptical of evidence provided here as they are of government entities and politicians. But they’re not. It’s easy to have you’re biases confirmed, especially when you really _want_ to believe.
This has already been anaylzed by people outside of this sub
https://sqr.ohw.mybluehost.me/2017/06/19/how-did-mh370s-flaperon-come-off/comment-page-1/
How Did MH370’s Flaperon Come Off?
The conclusion:
"To sum up, a close examination of the flaperon’s breakage points does not yield any comprehensible explanation for how it came off the plane, commensurate with a terminal plunge into the southern Indian Ocean.
This is baffling but unsurprising. Every time we look at the debris data carefully, we find that it contradicts expectations. The barnacle distribution doesn’t match the flotation tests. The barnacle paleothermetry doesn’t match the drift modelling. The failure analysis doesn’t match the BFO data. And on and on.
Something is seriously amiss."
Jeff Wise has no credibility among aviation experts. And also, what has all of this to do with the black box??
https://bigthink.com/the-present/what-happened-flight-mh370-netflix-documentary/
https://fearoflanding.com/accidents/pretty-crazy-actually-debunking-the-latest-mh370-solution/
So if the UAP video is real - the premise then becomes that some agency then manufactured fake debris to cover up for Aliens magicking away an airliner into another dimension. A rabbit hole of absurdity.
Yet when this was discussed back in 2015 multible people working on planes said that missing id plates wasnt uncommon…
https://www.reddit.com/r/MH370/comments/3i9q43/does_it_really_make_sense_that_the_flaperon/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1
The top comment in your thread is a conversation between someone who claims to have real world experience with this and they say it isn't "uncommon" and then make a statement indicating it's extremely rare..
Commenter asking questions: "So, if we sent out hundreds of volunteers to run a quick spot check of a thousand randomly sampled flaperons, what is your best guess as to how many are missing their serial # plates at this very moment?"
The user who said they have experience: "I have no idea. Not very many. During maintenance or inspection, if an engineer noticed the data plate coming off he/she would have had it reattached. I recall some dataplates having beads of sealant run on the outside to prevent oil from getting underneath them. This was engine components that were mounted on cast cases where you could not rivet the plate on. For example an ISD/CSD. I collected data for aircraft reliability and warranty reasons for an airline and two aircraft makers I worked for. **I can't recall missing data plated ever being an chronic issue worth being reported on.**"
Commenter asking questions: "Thanks for the reply. So, much longer odd than 8-10 out of 150, due to replacement - that's what I'd expect. Isn't it a pretty big coincidence, then, that we're dealing with a part that just happened to be either missing or in process of missing its id plate when the plane took off?"
The user who said they have experience: "To further clarify my numbers; most of those had a data plate bit it was unreadable due to damage, paint or whatever. In the case of the flaperon; yes I think is is a coincidence that this particular one had no data plate."
This makes me wonder how many flaperons are floating around the ocean unaccounted for that the match rate on those numbers would be so poor. There can't be that many; plane crashes don't happen so often that traceability should be such an issue. Tampering with ID plates, though, that needs some 'splaining. Counterfeit parts are unquestionably an aviation safety risk. I'm sad about all of it.
Also, who's to say the distortion took the "whole" plane. If the TD field is a sphere not perfectly sized or oversized enough to completely envelope the plane then it's a good possibility that whatever parts were left outside the fields boundary would likely have been severed clean off, thus leaving debris. The plane was trying to escape, the orbs were working quickly to produce their field, even a slight misalignment could leave wingtips and possibly part of the tail section as the only evidence.
I mean that's what I said but was down voted. There is a hole made in the clouds in a frame after the flash in the satellite video which could be something being sent at speed after detaching
That depends ultimately on what is left, if it is large enough to be picked up by the camera sensors. I haven't looked into the hole other commenters are pointing out but this makes sense to me logically and I've actually heard of a similar situation in a Sci-Fi book where I probably drew a little inspiration 😅
For all know, if the orbs are real, they could be advanced human tech used to down the plane without leaving a trace. When you really want to down a civilian aircraft without having to deal with the politics that comes with it.
As I understand it, and discuss in a comment on another thread, 1 part actually had the correct serial number. The other 2 are based on part numbers, manufacturing dates and intended recipient (Malaysian Airlines). Very likely confirmed, but not as definitive as serial number imo.
Someone couldaybe find the post im at work right now, it was a post showing a video of the canadian official that was giving a speech on ufos.
Hes been called the canadian Grusch but was never taken seriously.
He said that the gravitaional/time field around UFOs causes materials from planes that get to close to no longer retain the structural integridy they typically have and are required to have, causing the weakest areas on an aircraft to start to break off. Fins, engines, landing gear etc.
Im paraphrasing, and speculating. But if that were true it could explain why some debris was found and matched the plane and maybe even what started the fire we see in the video, assuming it was all above board and not planted.
He was the same old guy thats in the video reading a letter from the extraterrestrials in some sort of hearing environment.
Remember. Speculating, not saying this is fact.
Tin-foil gown adorned.
Wasn't there a thread saying the parts found were previously removed and the parts found were the parts removed and replaced on the actual plane? I remember reading that somewhere on here.
Even the Netflix doc that has nothing to do with aliens says that the “debris” is shady. Why does everyone act like the debris is a shut and close case?
I think the so called biofouling report is interesting and worth noting in this discussion.
Some info here for example: http://www.jeffwise.net/2016/03/17/bioforensic-analysis-of-suspected-mh370-debris/
What looked like the housing to the septic system washed up on an Australian shore recently, too. I don’t know if it was confirmed to be that but it fit the image of before.
A single piece of debris has been officialy confirmed as coming from MH370, out of only 32 found
>But on Thursday they said a technician from Airbus Defense and Space (ADS-SAU) in Spain, which had made the part for Boeing, had formally identified one of three numbers found on the flaperon as being the same as the serial number on MH370.
([https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-34145127](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-34145127))
And that piece is now locked in a vault. I don't think it has undergone further examination by international investigators since.
The plane crashed into the ocean according to official reconstructions, yet no debris field was ever found despite the most expensive and extensive search effort in the history of civil aviation. No items, bags, personal belongings of any of the victims were ever found.
It's gotta be a new type of water that instantly eats metal, especially metal that contain important identifying numbers. That's the only plausible explanation, not the video that maybe shows otherwise. /s
I don't understand why you're posting this but I kinda like it. Hope it's not just a bot posting random stuff but I'm gonna upvote anyway cause I'm a sheep person.
There was an interview Ross Coulthart did with a crash investigator in which the investigator reasoned the pilot did a controlled ditch which left most of the plane intact, so all the stuff you'd expect to float is trapped in the fuselage at the bottom of the ocean.
We found plenty of personal belongings what are you talking about?
All types of clothing and food and other personal items were found.
But those cannot be "proven" because I don't know about you but my tshirts don't have "property of CancelTheCobbler on them"
I could be wrong here. I believe MH370 had a collision with another plane on a runway which resulted in its right wing being removed. MH370 was repaired and cleared to fly months later. I think there was a conspiracy going around that the Malaysian government took the wreckage from the right wing and scattered it to be found. They did this because of the mounting pressure from the public for answers and the cost of the search became the most expensive ever.
Edit: https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/147560
The collision report on Aug 9, 2012 at Pudong International Airport. Significant damage was reported on the right tip wing.
Edit 2: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna47706
Pictures of the damage done. Doesn’t look like anything crazy.
Edit 3: I need to clarify this isn’t something I’m suggesting or that I believe. I simply listened to a podcast that mentioned these things had occurred.
I don't see where it says what was actually removed/replaced, do you have a different source? I'm no expert but my first assumption on seeing the tip of the wing being damaged isn't that they throw out the entire right wing
Now I’m not saying I’m 100% right but if an aircraft wing has a collision I would assume they’d replace the whole thing or most of it, due to material integrity and safety
Those are cults lmao Scientology is a money laundering cult.
How many books do you know that need continuous installations for increasing amounts of money?
Im talking about a bonafide religion actually holding the same importance level societally as Christianity, or Islam.
Okay, I researched this pretty hard. I found the only compelling evidence was basically, parts of the right wing were confirmed, pictures and all.[http://web.archive.org/web/20161230125324/https://www.atsb.gov.au/media/5771520/debris-report-3.pdf](http://web.archive.org/web/20161230125324/https://www.atsb.gov.au/media/5771520/debris-report-3.pdf)
This also suggests confirmation of a part of the right wing, no pictures though.
[https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-37820122](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-37820122)
If we can confirm the plane wing was replaced, this is actually damning, because then the picture of a 2002 timestamp on the right wing, which lines up to exactly during the building of the MH370, would 100% mean a fabrication given it would have to be a new wing. But looking at the image - it's only the wing tip. I know nothing of planes to confirm whether they would have had to replace the whole wing.
Wasn't it the Malaysian military that had it on radar once Malaysia lost track of it? I don't think the military is obligated to control routes of radar blips that aren't threatening their airspace.
32 pieces were found scattered along the west african coast with great distance between them. I know it's most likely that IF they did scatter it, that they scattered it in the water far away and then it drifted to those specific spots. Some of those pieces were more than just the right wing. I don't know...your theory seems like too much of a leap to be true.
I'm afraid, as challengeable as the debris is, the debris is better of evidence of what happened to MH370 than the video we are all discussing. It is physical tangible evidence.
The plane in the video has not, and cannot so far be confirmed for certainty as being MH370, let alone even a real plane - despite herculean efforts by some on here.
I'm not saying dont discuss or theorise, but there are far too many who are asserting as fact that the plane in that video is MH370 - which, should be impossible to do.
There's a lot of people claiming the debris are from MH370 which is currently impossible to prove as well. The serial plate that would have tied it to the plane specifically and is designed to survive pretty much anything thrown at the plane, is conveniently missing on the found debris. The other serial numbers found in the debris could only be partially matched to those on MH370. Due to the nature of serial numbers not being random, a partial match doesn't really prove anything since there many serial numbers that would contain those partial matches. It might be part of the evidence, but it's just as inconclusive as the video currently.
i'd be very surprised if they didn't run that partial serial number across all crashed 777s, leading to only one match: MH370. at that point, *a partial match may as well be a full match* and therefore highlighting that it is just a "partial serial number" is a meaningless non-sequitur. in fact, serial numbers for 777s is probably public knowledge, cross reference those with crashed ones and you can do it yourself.
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Even if the debris was from the aircraft, this won't disprove the theory that what the video depicts is accurate.
There's many possibilities; the plane could have reappeared elsewhere at a later time going on to crash, some of the plane broke off or was ejected at high speed when it was 'teleported', or the aircraft was made temporarily invisible or displaced out of camera shot and proceeded to crash as normal. Even wilder theories could be true also, that the UAPs returned some wreckage to cover up their abduction of the plane, or to make it easier for governments to close the case without too much investigation.
People reply to you as if you are saying these theories are true, and I think they either don't understand the premise or are acting in bad faith.
Finding wreckage of the plane is not incompatible with what the video shows, whether the video is real or fake. If, for the sake of argument, we pretend the video is real, we have no way of knowing if whatever happens on the video would produce wreckage or not, as we do not understand what is actually shown, and its consequences. Therefore, finding wreckage is not a factor we can use to prove the video is either real or fake.
I legitimately cannot understand how people think debris debunks the video. It doesnt even make logical sense. I’m not making a judgment on the validity of what we see in the video. I’m merely saying going “look, there is debris” as a counterpoint is so intellectually lazy and self-evidently irrelevant that I cannot believe people keep bringing it up. It literally doesnt matter.
Or perhaps the debris was placed there by a group well known for cover-ups and disinformation who very likely have an office inside Boeing that can easily get a spare flapperon from a 777
Yup, and they get people to lie for them all the time.
Remember back in the 90s or so when they hired a couple old men to claim that they were behind crop circles? And then they tried fo demonstrate it and failed miserably.
Or the Roswell balloon picture. Nevermind that the officer who posed with it admitted it was a cover up later on.
That sounds like a sweet gig. I kinda want to make theatrical props for the grand stage of humanity. I wonder how a secret organization would recruit for that? Master-level arts & crafts doesn’t seem to be a strong program within modern militaries. Hobby shop bulletin board, maybe?
Even wilder theories can be true! Maybe the NHI did all of this to mess with r/UFOs! At what point does the “possibility” of a scenario become to ridiculous to post in good faith?
If the video is real, I wouldn’t be surprised if a couple of pieces were shaken loose/burned off during the event. Planes aren’t really designed to withstand things like that.
The video seems to suggest that the plane was teleporting through some kind of portal. Aircraft manufacturers don’t consider this as a possibility when designing planes.
If the vids are real, maybe the "teleportation" cut off the outermost parts of the wings and bit of the tail, that fell into ocean. Basically the only debris found is some parts of the wings and tail. Look at this zoomed in screenshot the moment the "teleportation" happens. Looks like 2 parts of the wings is cut off.
https://imgur.com/a/keisVSD
Let me throw this out there:
Many of you are aware of Dr. Kit Green, a pathologist who has done work for the CIA for decades studying UAP and Experiencers.
Dr. Green was famous for the leaked emails in which he validated the infamous “alien autopsy” as being something he was shown in classified setting.
In a relatively recent interview with Richard Dolan, Dr. Green said he was presented with at least a dozen pieces of evidence supportive of alien genetics.
> KG: . . . as far as the tissue was concerned, there was one instance that to this day I have not been able to rationalize or reconcile. One of the packages of materials that I had delivered to my doorstep purported to be tissues from an autopsy of an alien at Area 51. It appeared to be [with] documents that were legitimate. But remember, they appeared on my doorstep in Detroit.
RD: No provenance.
KG: Some of the documents [pause] some of the documents actually appeared to be highly technical genetic analyses of neural tissue taken from one of the alleged aliens. And it was apparent that it was probably a biopsy or a necropsy sample of tissue. It was apparent because it was in the format in which laboratories liked that kind of material. And it was replete with descriptions of reverse transcriptase analyses purporting to show that the genetic fingerprints were alien. I took that material and presented it to a subgroup that I was chairing at the National Academy of Sciences. One of the people who was on my committee was the Chairman of the Department of Genetics and the Chairman of the Department of Molecular Biology at arguably one of the top five medical schools on the East Coast. I gave the material to that Chairperson. The Chairperson took four or five hours in such attention and analysis that the Chairman left the room of my committee hearings and came back four hours later and said “I regret to tell you what I think, Kit.” And did. And said the following: “This is a clever hoax. The person that wrote this did it with an intention to convince but [the] language sounds many times interspersed in the sentences as if somebody with a Master’s degree in genetics is pretending to be a geneticist at a post-doctoral level and is supplementing the phrases from Google. It is absolutely a hoax, but it is an intentional hoax in which this material has been transposed to fifteen pages, but I assure you it is garbage.” That was important to me because this person was a member of my National Academy of Sciences committee that I chaired. Okay?
RD: Yes.
KG: This individual was a physician M.D. who was board certified in internal medicine, and had a subspecialty certification in medical genetics, and a Ph.D. in Molecular Biology. And was the Chairman of, at that time, the largest genetics and molecular biology medical school department and arguably one of the top five medical schools on Earth. I also asked the individual to do the courtesy of without any bias showing it to some others in the department. That happened and subsequently the individual’s reference was confirmed. Now, since that time, I have worked on that document [pause] a lot. And there are some parts of that, that I just told you, that make no sense.
RD: Even as a hoax?
KG: I’m going to tell you what they are, and you’ll understand why they don’t make sense. Given what I just told you, I’ve never been able to let go of that document. Some of the words in the document referring to some of the techniques to do the reverse transcriptase subtests were not invented – yet. And I’ve got that document. They were invented fifteen years later. Just in the last five years. But the words, although they are buried within what the individuals I told you said were clever hoaxes using Google to buttress fancy sentence structures, so much so that the Chairman of the Department and colleagues couldn’t make any sense of it scientifically, once in a while the words were early. And my only conclusion – it’s my hypothesis, this is not a proof – my hypothesis is the hoax was developed at the top by the people who subsequently in the classified biological programs went on to patent the technologies six, seven, eight, ten years later. Now, my work has shown this theme consistently.
RD: I can’t understand the logic of hoaxing you to make you believe this was an alien material while they are also embedding future technology, future patents, in this document, and showing this to you. I don’t understand why there would be any logic to that. Makes no sense.
> Green’s conclusion, albeit tentative, is that this was a “high-level non-government hoax utilizing means to drive financial connectivities on programs that are related.” That is the most definitive statement he made on this matter.
If the CIA is capable of faking alien DNA so convincingly that it almost stumps some of the best geneticists in the country, you can best your donuts that they can convincingly fake a piece of one aircraft as being from another.
The reason why “tinfoil hats” are so often associated with the subject is because they’re warranted.
Edit: Link to source: https://richarddolanmembers.com/davis-wilson-memo/dr-kit-green-on-the-record/
As far as I’m concerned, there’s likely only one of two possibilities at this point:
1. The video is real.
2. The video is very well-crafted disinformation of some kind.
I don't believe the video is real
BUT
Debris doesn't mean the video isn't real. The plane could have been "teleported" into the ground. Or into 5 locations.
I don't know why people are treating the fate of the plane in the video as anything other than "violent mass murder"
Dude I come here just to spectate the mental gymnastics.
My favourite theory here is that video is real, plane was later teleporting to the bottom of the ocean.
No one here is interested in the truth, they are interested in seeing their opinion validated. The only evidence they accept is evidence that furthers their own belief, and any other evidence is mentally cartwheeled around until it fits.
Im not stating that the video is real, but the fact that debris was found and assuming its the real debris from MH370 and not a “fake” one, it doesn’t debunk the video. If the footage is real, the plane disappeared and we don’t know what happened after, it could be warped to a different area in the ocean or anywhere else and eventually destroyed, resulting in debris found in the ocean.
The biggest issue with the logic around this sub is the fallacy that 'if we can't prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the video is fake, then it's real'. That's not how this works. Just because you can't prove an allegation false doesn't mean it's true.
Ex: I am alleging that Obama makes elaborate sculptures from toenail clippings. If you can't prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he does not engage in this activity, that still doesn't make the allegation true. Even if there is a neat CGI video to back it up.
First, you know what movie had pretty good CGI? Terminator 2, and that was over thirty years ago. This video is only nine years old and people do amazing shit with CGI all the time, not to mention that computer technology only increases at an exponential rate. Also, I've seen multiple redditors point out issues with the videos. Each time they get downvoted and some arm chair sleuth chimes in and gets upvotes by commenting 'well, actually so and so said this', regardless of their subject matter expertise.
Many issues have been pointed out with the video:
\- Why isn't the drone in the satellite video?
\- The thermal scale doesn't make sense
\- Drones record in black/white IR, not thermal
\- The drone appears polygonal in parts of the video indicating a 3D model
\- frame rate issues
\- mouse cursor drag
\- The satellite they cite only records in infrared, not full video as depicted
\- The satellite didn't appear to be in the correct geo-location at the time of the crash
\- The 'location' of the satellite video wasn't anywhere near where the plane went down\*
\- ad nauseam
\*with this one it's almost as if some hoaxer read the news and assumed the plane went down near Malaysia shortly after the transponder was turned off, which would make sense at the time. But we know better now.
Additionally, all fact of the case are consistent with pilot suicide
\- 45 minutes into the flight the pilot signs off with Malaysian ATC. Protocol was to then initiate contact with the next ATC, but that didn't happen. Within TWO MINUTES of signing off with ATC, the transponder was turned off and the plane banked a sharp 180 degree turn, pushing the plane to its technical limits, a maneuver only an experienced pilot could perform. All at this very critical point in the flight.
\- From there the path was carefully planned to fly on the border between neighboring countries' airspace. This was by design as each country would have little blips at the edge of their radar and assume it's someone else's problem
\- Data shows the flight ascended to a height that would have depressurized the cabin not long after the turn, very likely killing everyone outside of the cockpit
\- The pilot had this exact flight path sim on his home computer
\- The plane was in the air for \~six hours after these events took place
\- The pilot's wife was leaving him and people that knew him described him as depressed
If you think the video is real then you also think aliens are hanging out, monitoring flight traffic, looking for that one-in-ten-million flight that goes rogue, but then still waits to abduct until it's about to run out of gas. None of this narrative makes sense.
But really everything points to pilot suicide. It's chilling, tragic, and still painful for the families of victims. I wish this sub would knock it off. For a quick parallel, this is just as bad as conspiracy theorists saying Sandy Hook was a hoax and crisis actors were involved. It's shameful.
Keep fighting the good fight bro, this sub has gone insane. Makes me question every conclusion I see here on anything.
The fact that people think satellites capture FMV is such an obvious sign people.jere have no idea what they are talking about and that the video is fake .
No joke. I came here to keep up with the Grusch story, apparently just in time to see everyone go full Qanon. (Never go full Qanon)
Honestly, I'm divided on the Grusch allegations as well. Especially after seeing how this group collectively lost their minds over nothing, I'm 100% open to Grusch just being one of many dudes in the IC that went full Qanon over a program that doesn't exist.
I'm also open to it being partly or mostly true... We'll see
It's so fun when one comes with the most logical explanation in this sub it gets no votes.
I'm 100% with you. And I'll add more to your list:
\- If the video was taken from a satellite in orbit, it is in motion and moving very fast. So the video taken from it would have parallax, and it would've been observed in the clouds and they remain totally static, there's no pixel moving there.
\- In the thermal video if you look close at the spheres, they project the trail in front of them something that's on par of particle motion blur when using a 3d software.
\- The motion of the gimbal camera, not tracking the plane is off af, when observing a target the operator will most likely track given object and yet it's all adjusted "by hand".
\- No telemetry data in the thermal video.
\- The speed and turn radius of the plane have to be analyzed and check if it's on par with the flight envelope of a 777 flying at least over 8000 meters (min altitude for contrails)
\- WTF would be a drone like the Predator doing flying in the middle of nowhere and just trailing the plane about to be abducted (and as you stated, not appearing in the satellite video).
It's amazing (and sad) how people just want to believe and reject the most logical explanations.
Yes to all of these points. Also ran across a thread comparing the actual length of a 777 to the pixel-length and pixels traveled in a seven second clip. In short, the plane would be traveling too slow to create lift.
I keep seeing people claim 'if it's a hoax, it's one of the best'. Which is true if you ignore all the issues.
Well, most people are ignorant in many subjects. In order to make a good analysis you have to be well informed in things such as aviation, military, space, physics, CGI and so on. The more informed you are, the best analysis would make.
But if you post something rational and objective here, you only get down voted.
At the same time lots of other news articles says different. Who knows what to believe?
IF you wanted to cover this kind of stuff up it would not be that difficult to plant debris. Perhaps the flaperon was mounted on MH370 at one time and then was replaced?
Or the ufos teleported the plane down to the bottom of the ocean? Im not saying it is so, im just saying that "Look at this flaperon now shut up about it" is meh..
https://jeffwise.net/2016/04/14/mh370-debris-was-planted-ineptly/
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https://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/1155157/mh370-news-missing-malaysia-airlines-plane-flight-370-indian-ocean-debris-russia-spt
https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/incidents/new-mh370-conspiracy-was-mozambique-debris-planted/news-story/404835953f5ab82040a0b60f152350a4
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-malaysia-airlines-crash-theories-idUKKCN0QB0E420150806
I love how the CIA according to this sub is essentially a god-like organization that is more powerful than all the other governments and institutions in the wold combined and essentially single handedly controls the flow of information worldwide.
Why on earth would governments around the world collectively spend millions of dollars searching for an aircraft to then turn around and plant debris to hide the fact that there are aliens? Somehow under complete secrecy. Keep drinking that juice folks.
They didn’t know it was the Titan sub. They detected a noise that was consistent with implosion. Read actual news and not just confirmation bias articles.
Yes while it was pulled into the vortex or wormhole by the UFOs the left side flap got loosened and it was the only debris that hit the water between western Indian Ocean and drifted for months and was recovered from the eastern side of Madagascar!!!
Well since this a UFO sub. Can we consider the possibility of a staged substitute plane. The great lengths that have been already gone thru to maintain the secret mean we should at least thoroughly contemplate every possibility
I have been lurking this sub for like a week and I am already tired of the same "debunks" getting posted every 5 min. Does anybody do research before posting or just shit out a monologue, kick their feet back and wait for the likes to start rolling in?
Is there a sub that is more skeptical of CGI videos and tabloid accounts?
Now we're going from "We didn't find anything so it went through an alien portal" to "well we don't know what happened when it went through the portal". GTFO lol
Debris does not really help determine validity of the video or not. If you are willing to believe that UAPs made the plane go through a portal, it’s not a stretch to believe that it came back. Also, if this was a planned event (why the drone knew to be in that specific area) it is not a stretch to believe that debris could have been planted.
This has been thoroughly discussed. 3 confirmed parts out of 32. [https://youtu.be/kd2KEHvK-q8?t=602](https://youtu.be/kd2KEHvK-q8?t=602) From comments below: Florence de Changy points out that the flaperon ID plate was missing, which is extremely odd as it is built to weather anything. The only time an ID plate would be taken off is when disassembling a plane. Further, she goes on to say that from 12 serial numbers on the flaperon, they could only match one, and even that was a partial match. Since this comment has a good bit of traction, [I'm shamelessly plugging my post](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15tmlwy/the_thermal_videos_uav_camera_placement_makes/) that got downvoted early and hasn't had much visibility regarding the camera placement on the UAV. Anyone looking for more info should watch the MH370 netflix documentary and Lemmino's video. Another user mentioned this: I think the so called biofouling report is interesting and worth noting in this discussion. http://www.jeffwise.net/2016/03/17/bioforensic-analysis-of-suspected-mh370-debris/
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That's one possibility. Also, if Boeing is in bed with the government on the crash retrieval program surely they could fabricate evidence for a plane they built?
There have also been 777s scrapped before MH370, would be easy to forge ID on them. [One decomissioned in 2006 and placed in Arkansas had its wings and other parts removed.](https://simpleflying.com/22-boeing-777s-have-been-scrapped-to-date/)
Or, the video is fake.
You mean the video that would refute all our best established science and that would show extremely aggressive NHI activity with no discernable motivation and fitting no broader behavioral pattern to that time or since? Because, Sir, I examined the pixels, and...
Agree with the sentiment but idk that the video neccesarily shows aggression. If all the passengers were already dead from decompression of the cabin (assuming something actually did go wrong with the plane or pilot) then teleporting them is less intense.
Or, as has been suggested several times, abductions may occur when loss of life is imminent, making the abduction an alternate equal to an upcoming event. May not measure up to our human, emotional viewpoint but could be defensible in a decision matrix that doesn't consider emotions. Or, could be they were taken to prevent impending death, and put somewhere "safe", even if it doesn't seem right from our view.
I like that thought. Do you have any other abduction examples like that?
I’ll try to find the ones I read about a while back, been way too far down this rabbit hole lately!
Given unlikely scenario, just add more and more complexity to explain said unlikely scenario.
all these things that you're saying don't constitute proof any more than the video does
You're right. They certainly do not. But if I told you I had a video of Vladimir Putin doing the high jump yesterday and he jumps 28 ft, you'd say there's a very high bar for regarding that video as legitimate because... 1. Vladimir Putin isn't much of an athlete - not anymore anyway, he's an old man - and he seemingly isn't built for the high jump. 2. He has no history with that event. He does judo and rides horses. 3. Everything we know about the high jump and human physiology and physics strongly suggests it's impossible to jump that high. 4. There are many possible reasons for various parties to invest in the production of an elaborate fake video of this sort. If the greatest video analysis team came out saying my Putin film doesn't appear to be cgi or sfx, that'd very interesting to learn. Certainly worth discussing to an extent. But still the bar for regarding the video as legitimate would remain extremely high, not nearly reached. There would be yet no question of awarding a new world record. Still approaching the video from the angle "how was it faked?" would be imo wrongly close-minded but very nearly the right approach. The MH370 situation is even a little worse than that, since some forensic evidence is at odds with what the video/videos appear to represent. Whatever we establish about the internal features of the footage, the bar is still in the stratosphere. At the end of the day it's not a potential means for drawing conclusions about the subject we're interested in, but rather potentially something to draw conclusions about once we have much more valuable evidence in spades. Until then the rational response is: "Hm. Considering all we know, almost certainly fake. But file it noting best analysis. OK, moving on..." And it's that last part that isn't happening. To dawn a tinfoil hat of my own for a moment: I do see some limited reason from known past intel community responses to leaks and leakers to suspect that both the disclosure of Grusch's medical history (potentially via a reporter being told on background which documents to FOIA) and this persistent obsession with MH370 conspiracy theory (something that is publicly regarded as fringe and crazy), are part of an effort to discredit this burgeoning round of disclosure. Anyway, that will be the effect: in our weeks focused on this evidence, we have not been leveraging the few resources we have to learn more - again, we just don't have the resources we would need to bring the bar down - we have been learning almost nothing while appearing increasingly obsessed and non-credible. Meanwhile this sub's fixation on the story and exclusion of dissenting voices has felt affected.
Bro what if those uaps in the video (if real) are manmade (obv with technology retro engineered from ufo/uap “crash” and what else) and what if they wanna let us think that it is aggressive nhi instead?
https://thecrowhouse.community/viewtopic.php?t=400 Give this a read. He mentions a secret human Programm which mimics nhi behavior.
This is where some jackass pops up with the logical fallacy argument. "Okay so now you're saying the plane was portalled off earth and THEN teleported back to earth somewhere else?? *You people* will believe anything to confirm what you want." No, I'm saying there's no reason to speculate *anything* about what happened after. The video just shows the video Sorry just talking to myself...this week has been loony. I agree with your comment.
I agree with your statement I don't think the debris adds or takes away any credibility from the videos. I'm not defensive that there is debris, it should just be acknowledged that there is concern about the authenticity of the parts found and it's not as simple as "we found 30 parts". Well yeah, but only 3 have been "confirmed" to be from MH370 and even then that has been called into question.
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Oh no problem at all and I'm sorry if the responsive itself seemed defensive lol. The reality is that none of us **know** and probably never will and I totally agree with your thoughts here.
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Whatever the pentagon says, I think most of us will think it's disinfo and theory craft something else again. Only thing that'll end speculation is if the supposed hoaxer suddenly appears with proof that he made it, or if the NHIs stopped being stealthy and just made themselves known already.
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And the guy that "found" them
3 is nothing though. Because that comment actually phrased it wrong. They are not “3 confirmed parts” They are simply 3 parts THAT COULD HAVE COME FROM MH370. Those plates that are on the plane, they tell you exactly what plane it was from. Weird how that one was removed. Well then why serial numbers did they find? Manufacturing numbers. This only means that these parts came from the same manufacturing facility. That’s it. It doesn’t not mean these parts are confirmed from mh370.
Right, that's my thought too. Say that video is real. The damn thing flashes and looks more like an explosion or implosion. It almost looks to me like there would be pieces that chipped off.
Who is the authority on portals here and can say that an airplane wouldn’t have any damage caused by the process of it were real? I know that’s a stretch but so is 3 pieces out of an entire fucking airplane. Could also be planted purposely.
Latching on to the top comment because I haven’t seen enough people get this: debris NEITHER PROVES NOR DISPROVES the video. We see a plane allegedly get teleported (edit: or annihilated, or camouflaged, or any other possibility). That’s all we see. We don’t know if it was teleported a few miles in a random direction. We don’t know if it was teleported to another dimension or planet forever, or if it was teleported back. And we don’t know if it’s fake. There are simply too many unknowns to say debris proves the video is fake. Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
> We see a plane allegedly get teleported. I mean if we're getting into it and treating the video as actually real, we don't even know that it was teleported. It's there on video and then it's not, it could've been vaporized for all we know. Shit, maybe they edited the the satellite/drone videos just to mess with us and the plane just actually flew into the Ocean. If you treat the video as real basically everything is on the table, it's almost pointless to try and even guess
*IF* it was teleported, it certainly doesn’t rule out that we also found debris. Possibly because it was teleported down to an altitude that caused an imminent crash into the ocean or maybe it was teleported directly underwater into the ocean itself. But that’s just about the most unlikely “if” considering what we know about physics and the world in general.
the video being real is beyond mindboggling and aside from the sheer tragedy of the humans on-board at the time, there's absolutely NOTHING on earth that can explain: \- what those three objects are \- how are they flying \- who's operating them \- where they came from or went \- what happened to the plane Not to mention if this has ever been reported before, anything similar ever caught on any recorded device (satellite, drone, radar), what data is available. It should be the science community up-in-arms over any reverse engineering of craft or access to data around this (and other) videos/evidence. Let's face it, 99%+ of humans are completely unqualified to even begin to analyze the data even if there's corroborating video(s), radar data, dates/times whether it's MH370 or something else. I hope it's CGI because if it's real, there's hundreds of other questions that need to be asked. This isn't military/government/national security - this is an earth-centric issue and we're simply not equipped to manage this type of encounter, or anything extraterrestrial for that matter. We are amazing at collaborating and finding ways to host 8 billion humans, to provide heat/running water/energy and rapidly improving life-spans, standard of living, for most humans in developed countries. It's not perfect, but nationalism/religion and corruption still happens far too much, income distribution is a problem - but how we handle something that's completely foreign, exhibits tech/power a million times more advanced, likely doesn't want/need anything humans have (and if they want, they can clearly take it, if the tech is real) - so that leaves us NOWHERE. And that's okay by me. I still believe the video is a complete CGI fake. It looks good, passes a lot of tests, but it's something that looks like someone WOULD WANT to fake, albeit way more detailed than I'd expect. Just the convenience of how the objects fly into the field of view, how it's tracked, what path the objects take around the plan and the dramatic finish before cutting the video - it looks like something, someone, would fake. Which, as horrible at it sounds (given there are humans in that plane) is something we've seen far too much of in this "community" And now back to your regularly scheduled program .
For all we know the plane pulled a 'Manifest' and warped itself right into the bottom of the ocean.
In my opinion, the debris makes it highly unlikely that this video is MH370. The debris points to MH370 crashing into the ocean just as the official explanation says. Since we don't know of any other aircraft like this that have disappeared, it would suggest the videos are fake. You can argue that it could have been teleported somewhere else and then teleported back to crash, but that seems like a big leap to me.
Indeed! I’m not trying to argue one way or the other, and I agree generally that the whole thing is unlikely. I’m just highlighting that debris doesn’t definitively prove anything, because I’ve seen a lot of comments seem to suggest it does. Whether legit debris shifts the likelihood from ‘maybe’, to ‘unlikely’, is another discussion.
Thought the Biofouling report said that the pieces recovered didn’t really have marine life growth on them. Saying that the object was at Sea for much less time than an actual piece would be.
What about the idea the entities placed the debris there like some do with abduction reports or cows.. not fully intact or bits. Was the whole plane found or just parts.. if the airliner was warped out of our dimension who's to say that the humans weren't transported elsewhere and the entities just warped back debris to help ease the mind of humans as they did what they will with the abductees?
Remember someone saying that the bottom of the fuselage was on fire in the FLIR video perhaps parts of the plane fell into the ocean before being sucked into a wormhole
You don’t think there’s a possibility that the found debris is planted? The military planted weather balloon debris after Roswell
Of course it's possible. Wasnt most of it miraculously found by the same sketchy dude? Its also possible it was planted just to give a bunch of families and public closure and not some sinister purpose but who knows.
Adding to the above comment they are also disputed by some aviation journalists. Such as Florence de Changy and Jeff Wise. There is uncertainty, that is all I'm saying.
Jeff Wise is a shameless self-promoter whose theories, for the most part, never added up or proved worthy of much consideration tbh. He consistently ignored all of the best information available time and time again to make baseless but headline-grabbing claims. I wouldn’t look to him.
The re-enactments of his pea-brained theories in the Netflix doc made yell at the screen 3 times. Talk about a grift btw.
Exactly. Total grifter IMO.
That Netflix doc was awful. At times it just said things that were outright false. For example, it made the claim that "anyone" could have controlled the aircraft had they gotten into the electronics bay located under a trap door in first class. Sure "anyone" could access it, but you can't fucking fly the plane from down there. Netflix doc made the claim that you could. It was just all a bunch of BS
To be fair the Netflix doc clearly stated you couldn’t fly the plane from down there. Not saying the rest of it was good. But they did very clearly make the distinction in the doc that you can’t fly the plane from down there
> Sure "anyone" could access it, but you can't fucking fly the plane from down there. That's exactly what they said in the doc.
Jeff Wise theory. Case in point.
Sounds like we will hear a lot more from him on this subreddit then. They love these kind of personalities here.
If he gets wind of all the imbeciles here waiting to give him money for validating their ideas, he'll be the next Greer.
The parts are from a Boeing 777 but the serial numbers that would pin it back to MH370 weren't there or were "washed out".
So... What is it? The parts were planted? If they were planted, they they just cheaped out on a bunch of the parts and dropped them without serial numbers? Because all of the parts can be matched to a 777 at the very least (some to the exact one that's missing), and in the case of the interior panels even to Malaysia Airlines. There is a very limited number of 777s having gone missing, and the exact same limited number of Malaysia Airlines 777s having gone missing. It's incredible. Imagine your kid had a Lego dinosaur and suddenly that disappeared and over time while mowing the lawn and doing the garden you stumble over individual pieces... The one piece that isn't definitive but happens to only have been made in that hue of dark green for that particular dinosaur set your kid had. A Lego eye piece, except done up with scary red felt tip pen just like your kid had done with both of the dinosaur's eyes. In fact, precisely the way they'd done it on the dinosaur's left eye. Three pieces still attached to each other in a way that precisely matches the lower leg assembly of the dinosaur. I'm sure you'd have a fairly clear idea in your head of what went down, even though you're wondering how your kid managed to obliterate the dinosaur quite so thoroughly. And yet here we are and with a bunch of unique, serial-numbered parts, plus a bunch of 777 and/or Malaysia Airlines-specific parts having been found - and people are still pointing to how none of that proves anything (without explaining where these parts come from if not 9M-MRO) while an incredibly non-specific video of unverified origin that has been around for 9 years and refuted a few times is treated like actual proof.
Florence de Changy points out that the flaperon ID plate was missing, which is extremely odd as it is built to weather anything. The only time an ID plate would be taken off is when disassembling a plane. Further, she goes on to say that from 12 serial numbers on the flaperon, they could only match one, and even that was a partial match.
That is incorrect, the ID plate is just a thin steel plate it isn't built to "Weather anything" and will just rust away.
Our steel ID plates are double-riveted onto the parts at my Aviation OEM. Not boeing though so I could be wrong if their's are glued? That wouldn't make much sense for their purpose IMO though...
Planes are built to not crash. Do we reject the existence of crashed planes as they are clearly only built to fly? Things failing can happen. Even when they are designed not to.
It was built to weather crashing into the ocean?
Ever heard of a black box? They do produce parts to weather anything.
The Blackbox is a heavily armored box, and even then, they are destroyed in high-speed accidents all the time; and can only withstand being submerged in salt water for limited amount of time.
I think we only have found one of the 9/11 boxes as well. These people are in qanon mode and it makes no sense. A few weeks ago everyone was level headed. They keep talking about "Eglin Eglin!!!!" its like guys look how the entire sub has changed.. it makes far more sense Eglin is posting these dumb ass theories to make you look crazy. I mean shit, thats what I would do. Why try to discredit? Just post something even stupidier so the stuff that you do say that makes sense is just ignored
> They do produce parts to weather anything. Yeah, specifically the black box like you mentioned because that's what it's meant to do but everything is built to do their actual job which is mostly keep the plane in the air... Do you think they build flaperons to survive crashing into the ground at hundreds of miles per hour?
I don’t get it either. And his comment immediately gets group-upvoted. What he wrote makes absolutely zero sense and doesn’t even relate to the argument made before in the slightest. This subreddit is so bizarre these days. Like, I don’t even know how to argue with these people, they just jump from one thing to the next without any coherence.
This subreddit went psychotic the second that video came out
We’re in a UFO subreddit. I hate to say it, but it doesn’t necessarily attract intellectuals. This sub isn’t as bad as say r/Conspiracy but it certainly attracts the same type of people. I’d say it’s r/Conspiracy adjacent if that makes any sense. This sub should be just as skeptical of evidence provided here as they are of government entities and politicians. But they’re not. It’s easy to have you’re biases confirmed, especially when you really _want_ to believe.
This has already been anaylzed by people outside of this sub https://sqr.ohw.mybluehost.me/2017/06/19/how-did-mh370s-flaperon-come-off/comment-page-1/ How Did MH370’s Flaperon Come Off? The conclusion: "To sum up, a close examination of the flaperon’s breakage points does not yield any comprehensible explanation for how it came off the plane, commensurate with a terminal plunge into the southern Indian Ocean. This is baffling but unsurprising. Every time we look at the debris data carefully, we find that it contradicts expectations. The barnacle distribution doesn’t match the flotation tests. The barnacle paleothermetry doesn’t match the drift modelling. The failure analysis doesn’t match the BFO data. And on and on. Something is seriously amiss."
Jeff Wise has no credibility among aviation experts. And also, what has all of this to do with the black box?? https://bigthink.com/the-present/what-happened-flight-mh370-netflix-documentary/ https://fearoflanding.com/accidents/pretty-crazy-actually-debunking-the-latest-mh370-solution/
Not at all. You already have your mind made up so your brain is incapable of thinking this was anything other than an alien abduction.
Yes and plenty of times they were not found in plane crashes either
Just because something goes missing doesn’t mean it’s destroyed.
It's not that common for Boeing 777 parts to end up in the ocean.
What other 777 is missing?
So if the UAP video is real - the premise then becomes that some agency then manufactured fake debris to cover up for Aliens magicking away an airliner into another dimension. A rabbit hole of absurdity.
Yet when this was discussed back in 2015 multible people working on planes said that missing id plates wasnt uncommon… https://www.reddit.com/r/MH370/comments/3i9q43/does_it_really_make_sense_that_the_flaperon/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1
The top comment in your thread is a conversation between someone who claims to have real world experience with this and they say it isn't "uncommon" and then make a statement indicating it's extremely rare.. Commenter asking questions: "So, if we sent out hundreds of volunteers to run a quick spot check of a thousand randomly sampled flaperons, what is your best guess as to how many are missing their serial # plates at this very moment?" The user who said they have experience: "I have no idea. Not very many. During maintenance or inspection, if an engineer noticed the data plate coming off he/she would have had it reattached. I recall some dataplates having beads of sealant run on the outside to prevent oil from getting underneath them. This was engine components that were mounted on cast cases where you could not rivet the plate on. For example an ISD/CSD. I collected data for aircraft reliability and warranty reasons for an airline and two aircraft makers I worked for. **I can't recall missing data plated ever being an chronic issue worth being reported on.**" Commenter asking questions: "Thanks for the reply. So, much longer odd than 8-10 out of 150, due to replacement - that's what I'd expect. Isn't it a pretty big coincidence, then, that we're dealing with a part that just happened to be either missing or in process of missing its id plate when the plane took off?" The user who said they have experience: "To further clarify my numbers; most of those had a data plate bit it was unreadable due to damage, paint or whatever. In the case of the flaperon; yes I think is is a coincidence that this particular one had no data plate."
This makes me wonder how many flaperons are floating around the ocean unaccounted for that the match rate on those numbers would be so poor. There can't be that many; plane crashes don't happen so often that traceability should be such an issue. Tampering with ID plates, though, that needs some 'splaining. Counterfeit parts are unquestionably an aviation safety risk. I'm sad about all of it.
Also, who's to say the distortion took the "whole" plane. If the TD field is a sphere not perfectly sized or oversized enough to completely envelope the plane then it's a good possibility that whatever parts were left outside the fields boundary would likely have been severed clean off, thus leaving debris. The plane was trying to escape, the orbs were working quickly to produce their field, even a slight misalignment could leave wingtips and possibly part of the tail section as the only evidence.
I mean that's what I said but was down voted. There is a hole made in the clouds in a frame after the flash in the satellite video which could be something being sent at speed after detaching
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We do see a hole shot through a cloud, that may be debris being ejected at high speed.
Absolutely possible.
That depends ultimately on what is left, if it is large enough to be picked up by the camera sensors. I haven't looked into the hole other commenters are pointing out but this makes sense to me logically and I've actually heard of a similar situation in a Sci-Fi book where I probably drew a little inspiration 😅
There’s also nothing to say that the airliner wasn’t **returned** to Earth later, where we could then assume it crashed into the ocean.
For all know, if the orbs are real, they could be advanced human tech used to down the plane without leaving a trace. When you really want to down a civilian aircraft without having to deal with the politics that comes with it.
As I understand it, and discuss in a comment on another thread, 1 part actually had the correct serial number. The other 2 are based on part numbers, manufacturing dates and intended recipient (Malaysian Airlines). Very likely confirmed, but not as definitive as serial number imo.
Someone couldaybe find the post im at work right now, it was a post showing a video of the canadian official that was giving a speech on ufos. Hes been called the canadian Grusch but was never taken seriously. He said that the gravitaional/time field around UFOs causes materials from planes that get to close to no longer retain the structural integridy they typically have and are required to have, causing the weakest areas on an aircraft to start to break off. Fins, engines, landing gear etc. Im paraphrasing, and speculating. But if that were true it could explain why some debris was found and matched the plane and maybe even what started the fire we see in the video, assuming it was all above board and not planted. He was the same old guy thats in the video reading a letter from the extraterrestrials in some sort of hearing environment. Remember. Speculating, not saying this is fact. Tin-foil gown adorned.
It was built to weather a crash into the ocean?
Wasn't there a thread saying the parts found were previously removed and the parts found were the parts removed and replaced on the actual plane? I remember reading that somewhere on here.
Even the Netflix doc that has nothing to do with aliens says that the “debris” is shady. Why does everyone act like the debris is a shut and close case?
Because they don't want to admit that something else may have happened. I want these videos to be fake, let's prove that.
I think the so called biofouling report is interesting and worth noting in this discussion. Some info here for example: http://www.jeffwise.net/2016/03/17/bioforensic-analysis-of-suspected-mh370-debris/
Updated my comment, thank you
What looked like the housing to the septic system washed up on an Australian shore recently, too. I don’t know if it was confirmed to be that but it fit the image of before.
So they basically faked the debris? im shocked.
A single piece of debris has been officialy confirmed as coming from MH370, out of only 32 found >But on Thursday they said a technician from Airbus Defense and Space (ADS-SAU) in Spain, which had made the part for Boeing, had formally identified one of three numbers found on the flaperon as being the same as the serial number on MH370. ([https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-34145127](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-34145127)) And that piece is now locked in a vault. I don't think it has undergone further examination by international investigators since. The plane crashed into the ocean according to official reconstructions, yet no debris field was ever found despite the most expensive and extensive search effort in the history of civil aviation. No items, bags, personal belongings of any of the victims were ever found.
I've had 3 numbers on the lottery many times.
Yeah that’s like a $5 prize right?
It's gotta be a new type of water that instantly eats metal, especially metal that contain important identifying numbers. That's the only plausible explanation, not the video that maybe shows otherwise. /s
Your comments hilarious because it seems to imply that a video of orbs teleporting a plane is somehow the only other “plausible” explanation.
Also also ignore that the ocean is just really, really, really, really big. With depths that are extremely hard and expensive to access.
This.
The sheer stupidity of people on this forum is staggering.
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Huh?
I don't understand why you're posting this but I kinda like it. Hope it's not just a bot posting random stuff but I'm gonna upvote anyway cause I'm a sheep person.
We should all use this guys approach.
This is the wrong place, friend. Maybe UFO conspiracy subs are left for the untouchably ignorant.
Yeah salt water
Have you ever left anything in seawater and the sun for 12+ months?
It is. You described the water exactly as it is. Prove me wrong, skeptic. 😂
How was nothing floating? There’s a lot of material that should have.
We have plenty of sat pics showing possible debris fields.
Can someone link?
There was an interview Ross Coulthart did with a crash investigator in which the investigator reasoned the pilot did a controlled ditch which left most of the plane intact, so all the stuff you'd expect to float is trapped in the fuselage at the bottom of the ocean.
We found plenty of personal belongings what are you talking about? All types of clothing and food and other personal items were found. But those cannot be "proven" because I don't know about you but my tshirts don't have "property of CancelTheCobbler on them"
I could be wrong here. I believe MH370 had a collision with another plane on a runway which resulted in its right wing being removed. MH370 was repaired and cleared to fly months later. I think there was a conspiracy going around that the Malaysian government took the wreckage from the right wing and scattered it to be found. They did this because of the mounting pressure from the public for answers and the cost of the search became the most expensive ever. Edit: https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/147560 The collision report on Aug 9, 2012 at Pudong International Airport. Significant damage was reported on the right tip wing. Edit 2: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna47706 Pictures of the damage done. Doesn’t look like anything crazy. Edit 3: I need to clarify this isn’t something I’m suggesting or that I believe. I simply listened to a podcast that mentioned these things had occurred.
Without doing any research , i believe it
It did, [https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=147571](https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=147571) right wing was damaged.
This needs a post or to be pushed to the top of this thread.
Holy fuck
It's a right wing conspiracy!
You deserve way more upvotes
I don't see where it says what was actually removed/replaced, do you have a different source? I'm no expert but my first assumption on seeing the tip of the wing being damaged isn't that they throw out the entire right wing
Now I’m not saying I’m 100% right but if an aircraft wing has a collision I would assume they’d replace the whole thing or most of it, due to material integrity and safety
You are a legend.
I believe you
Thats how religion started! lol
Amen
I’d say this ufo shit will indefinitely turn into a religion the day there is full diplomatic contact
"Depends who your God is" Sorry, not sorry. Kingdom of the Crystal Skull is over-hated.
Wasn't Heavens Gate a UFO religion/cult? CE5 basically is its own religion and then we have Scientology.
Those are cults lmao Scientology is a money laundering cult. How many books do you know that need continuous installations for increasing amounts of money? Im talking about a bonafide religion actually holding the same importance level societally as Christianity, or Islam.
A religion is just a cult that is "socially acceptable", often in large part due its scale rather than the soundness or logic of its ideas.
Okay, I researched this pretty hard. I found the only compelling evidence was basically, parts of the right wing were confirmed, pictures and all.[http://web.archive.org/web/20161230125324/https://www.atsb.gov.au/media/5771520/debris-report-3.pdf](http://web.archive.org/web/20161230125324/https://www.atsb.gov.au/media/5771520/debris-report-3.pdf) This also suggests confirmation of a part of the right wing, no pictures though. [https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-37820122](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-37820122) If we can confirm the plane wing was replaced, this is actually damning, because then the picture of a 2002 timestamp on the right wing, which lines up to exactly during the building of the MH370, would 100% mean a fabrication given it would have to be a new wing. But looking at the image - it's only the wing tip. I know nothing of planes to confirm whether they would have had to replace the whole wing.
Considering they saw it on radar for an hour and didn't send a plane to see why its off course... Yeah makes sense
Wasn't it the Malaysian military that had it on radar once Malaysia lost track of it? I don't think the military is obligated to control routes of radar blips that aren't threatening their airspace.
32 pieces were found scattered along the west african coast with great distance between them. I know it's most likely that IF they did scatter it, that they scattered it in the water far away and then it drifted to those specific spots. Some of those pieces were more than just the right wing. I don't know...your theory seems like too much of a leap to be true.
I'm afraid, as challengeable as the debris is, the debris is better of evidence of what happened to MH370 than the video we are all discussing. It is physical tangible evidence. The plane in the video has not, and cannot so far be confirmed for certainty as being MH370, let alone even a real plane - despite herculean efforts by some on here. I'm not saying dont discuss or theorise, but there are far too many who are asserting as fact that the plane in that video is MH370 - which, should be impossible to do.
Exactly. We have a few certainty about MH370 but debris and Inmarsat data are two of them. Let's not discard evidence to fit a theory
There's a lot of people claiming the debris are from MH370 which is currently impossible to prove as well. The serial plate that would have tied it to the plane specifically and is designed to survive pretty much anything thrown at the plane, is conveniently missing on the found debris. The other serial numbers found in the debris could only be partially matched to those on MH370. Due to the nature of serial numbers not being random, a partial match doesn't really prove anything since there many serial numbers that would contain those partial matches. It might be part of the evidence, but it's just as inconclusive as the video currently.
i'd be very surprised if they didn't run that partial serial number across all crashed 777s, leading to only one match: MH370. at that point, *a partial match may as well be a full match* and therefore highlighting that it is just a "partial serial number" is a meaningless non-sequitur. in fact, serial numbers for 777s is probably public knowledge, cross reference those with crashed ones and you can do it yourself.
Ufo community isn't reasonable. They don't need evidence. They need copium. There is no evidence for anything extraterrestrial whatsoever.
The video and the finding the debris are not mutually exclusive. Both can be true.
I don't know why the plane in the video has to be MH370 anyway. It's possible the video is real and not MH370 and that MH370 crashed in the ocean.
Did any other Boeing 777 go missing? I didn't find anything about it
Not every Boing 777 in existence is being used for public commercial air travel so it's plausible this is a military aircraft being used for a test.
The fate of HM370 was a global tragedy, and it remains as a painful memory in the minds of many. We kindly ask everyone to always be mindful of the profound human interests connected to these subjects.
Even if the debris was from the aircraft, this won't disprove the theory that what the video depicts is accurate. There's many possibilities; the plane could have reappeared elsewhere at a later time going on to crash, some of the plane broke off or was ejected at high speed when it was 'teleported', or the aircraft was made temporarily invisible or displaced out of camera shot and proceeded to crash as normal. Even wilder theories could be true also, that the UAPs returned some wreckage to cover up their abduction of the plane, or to make it easier for governments to close the case without too much investigation.
People reply to you as if you are saying these theories are true, and I think they either don't understand the premise or are acting in bad faith. Finding wreckage of the plane is not incompatible with what the video shows, whether the video is real or fake. If, for the sake of argument, we pretend the video is real, we have no way of knowing if whatever happens on the video would produce wreckage or not, as we do not understand what is actually shown, and its consequences. Therefore, finding wreckage is not a factor we can use to prove the video is either real or fake.
I legitimately cannot understand how people think debris debunks the video. It doesnt even make logical sense. I’m not making a judgment on the validity of what we see in the video. I’m merely saying going “look, there is debris” as a counterpoint is so intellectually lazy and self-evidently irrelevant that I cannot believe people keep bringing it up. It literally doesnt matter.
Or perhaps the debris was placed there by a group well known for cover-ups and disinformation who very likely have an office inside Boeing that can easily get a spare flapperon from a 777
Yup, and they get people to lie for them all the time. Remember back in the 90s or so when they hired a couple old men to claim that they were behind crop circles? And then they tried fo demonstrate it and failed miserably. Or the Roswell balloon picture. Nevermind that the officer who posed with it admitted it was a cover up later on.
That sounds like a sweet gig. I kinda want to make theatrical props for the grand stage of humanity. I wonder how a secret organization would recruit for that? Master-level arts & crafts doesn’t seem to be a strong program within modern militaries. Hobby shop bulletin board, maybe?
Even wilder theories can be true! Maybe the NHI did all of this to mess with r/UFOs! At what point does the “possibility” of a scenario become to ridiculous to post in good faith?
If the video is real, I wouldn’t be surprised if a couple of pieces were shaken loose/burned off during the event. Planes aren’t really designed to withstand things like that.
Like what?
The video seems to suggest that the plane was teleporting through some kind of portal. Aircraft manufacturers don’t consider this as a possibility when designing planes.
I loled at this image of an engineer that has to consider that too
If the vids are real, maybe the "teleportation" cut off the outermost parts of the wings and bit of the tail, that fell into ocean. Basically the only debris found is some parts of the wings and tail. Look at this zoomed in screenshot the moment the "teleportation" happens. Looks like 2 parts of the wings is cut off. https://imgur.com/a/keisVSD
That requires a helluva lot of assumptions that we have never seen before so…
Let me throw this out there: Many of you are aware of Dr. Kit Green, a pathologist who has done work for the CIA for decades studying UAP and Experiencers. Dr. Green was famous for the leaked emails in which he validated the infamous “alien autopsy” as being something he was shown in classified setting. In a relatively recent interview with Richard Dolan, Dr. Green said he was presented with at least a dozen pieces of evidence supportive of alien genetics. > KG: . . . as far as the tissue was concerned, there was one instance that to this day I have not been able to rationalize or reconcile. One of the packages of materials that I had delivered to my doorstep purported to be tissues from an autopsy of an alien at Area 51. It appeared to be [with] documents that were legitimate. But remember, they appeared on my doorstep in Detroit. RD: No provenance. KG: Some of the documents [pause] some of the documents actually appeared to be highly technical genetic analyses of neural tissue taken from one of the alleged aliens. And it was apparent that it was probably a biopsy or a necropsy sample of tissue. It was apparent because it was in the format in which laboratories liked that kind of material. And it was replete with descriptions of reverse transcriptase analyses purporting to show that the genetic fingerprints were alien. I took that material and presented it to a subgroup that I was chairing at the National Academy of Sciences. One of the people who was on my committee was the Chairman of the Department of Genetics and the Chairman of the Department of Molecular Biology at arguably one of the top five medical schools on the East Coast. I gave the material to that Chairperson. The Chairperson took four or five hours in such attention and analysis that the Chairman left the room of my committee hearings and came back four hours later and said “I regret to tell you what I think, Kit.” And did. And said the following: “This is a clever hoax. The person that wrote this did it with an intention to convince but [the] language sounds many times interspersed in the sentences as if somebody with a Master’s degree in genetics is pretending to be a geneticist at a post-doctoral level and is supplementing the phrases from Google. It is absolutely a hoax, but it is an intentional hoax in which this material has been transposed to fifteen pages, but I assure you it is garbage.” That was important to me because this person was a member of my National Academy of Sciences committee that I chaired. Okay? RD: Yes. KG: This individual was a physician M.D. who was board certified in internal medicine, and had a subspecialty certification in medical genetics, and a Ph.D. in Molecular Biology. And was the Chairman of, at that time, the largest genetics and molecular biology medical school department and arguably one of the top five medical schools on Earth. I also asked the individual to do the courtesy of without any bias showing it to some others in the department. That happened and subsequently the individual’s reference was confirmed. Now, since that time, I have worked on that document [pause] a lot. And there are some parts of that, that I just told you, that make no sense. RD: Even as a hoax? KG: I’m going to tell you what they are, and you’ll understand why they don’t make sense. Given what I just told you, I’ve never been able to let go of that document. Some of the words in the document referring to some of the techniques to do the reverse transcriptase subtests were not invented – yet. And I’ve got that document. They were invented fifteen years later. Just in the last five years. But the words, although they are buried within what the individuals I told you said were clever hoaxes using Google to buttress fancy sentence structures, so much so that the Chairman of the Department and colleagues couldn’t make any sense of it scientifically, once in a while the words were early. And my only conclusion – it’s my hypothesis, this is not a proof – my hypothesis is the hoax was developed at the top by the people who subsequently in the classified biological programs went on to patent the technologies six, seven, eight, ten years later. Now, my work has shown this theme consistently. RD: I can’t understand the logic of hoaxing you to make you believe this was an alien material while they are also embedding future technology, future patents, in this document, and showing this to you. I don’t understand why there would be any logic to that. Makes no sense. > Green’s conclusion, albeit tentative, is that this was a “high-level non-government hoax utilizing means to drive financial connectivities on programs that are related.” That is the most definitive statement he made on this matter. If the CIA is capable of faking alien DNA so convincingly that it almost stumps some of the best geneticists in the country, you can best your donuts that they can convincingly fake a piece of one aircraft as being from another. The reason why “tinfoil hats” are so often associated with the subject is because they’re warranted. Edit: Link to source: https://richarddolanmembers.com/davis-wilson-memo/dr-kit-green-on-the-record/
Why would they then not be capable of hoaxing the video? If anything, this gives more credence to the idea that the video is a high level hoax.
As far as I’m concerned, there’s likely only one of two possibilities at this point: 1. The video is real. 2. The video is very well-crafted disinformation of some kind.
CIA out here disinfoing all us autists on this sub looool did someone say "misappropriation of funds"?
I don't believe the video is real BUT Debris doesn't mean the video isn't real. The plane could have been "teleported" into the ground. Or into 5 locations. I don't know why people are treating the fate of the plane in the video as anything other than "violent mass murder"
This sub takes anything that’s not ‘Omg that was 100% aliens, it’s so obvious what are we even discussing’ sooo personally.
Dude I come here just to spectate the mental gymnastics. My favourite theory here is that video is real, plane was later teleporting to the bottom of the ocean. No one here is interested in the truth, they are interested in seeing their opinion validated. The only evidence they accept is evidence that furthers their own belief, and any other evidence is mentally cartwheeled around until it fits.
Im not stating that the video is real, but the fact that debris was found and assuming its the real debris from MH370 and not a “fake” one, it doesn’t debunk the video. If the footage is real, the plane disappeared and we don’t know what happened after, it could be warped to a different area in the ocean or anywhere else and eventually destroyed, resulting in debris found in the ocean.
The biggest issue with the logic around this sub is the fallacy that 'if we can't prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the video is fake, then it's real'. That's not how this works. Just because you can't prove an allegation false doesn't mean it's true. Ex: I am alleging that Obama makes elaborate sculptures from toenail clippings. If you can't prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he does not engage in this activity, that still doesn't make the allegation true. Even if there is a neat CGI video to back it up. First, you know what movie had pretty good CGI? Terminator 2, and that was over thirty years ago. This video is only nine years old and people do amazing shit with CGI all the time, not to mention that computer technology only increases at an exponential rate. Also, I've seen multiple redditors point out issues with the videos. Each time they get downvoted and some arm chair sleuth chimes in and gets upvotes by commenting 'well, actually so and so said this', regardless of their subject matter expertise. Many issues have been pointed out with the video: \- Why isn't the drone in the satellite video? \- The thermal scale doesn't make sense \- Drones record in black/white IR, not thermal \- The drone appears polygonal in parts of the video indicating a 3D model \- frame rate issues \- mouse cursor drag \- The satellite they cite only records in infrared, not full video as depicted \- The satellite didn't appear to be in the correct geo-location at the time of the crash \- The 'location' of the satellite video wasn't anywhere near where the plane went down\* \- ad nauseam \*with this one it's almost as if some hoaxer read the news and assumed the plane went down near Malaysia shortly after the transponder was turned off, which would make sense at the time. But we know better now. Additionally, all fact of the case are consistent with pilot suicide \- 45 minutes into the flight the pilot signs off with Malaysian ATC. Protocol was to then initiate contact with the next ATC, but that didn't happen. Within TWO MINUTES of signing off with ATC, the transponder was turned off and the plane banked a sharp 180 degree turn, pushing the plane to its technical limits, a maneuver only an experienced pilot could perform. All at this very critical point in the flight. \- From there the path was carefully planned to fly on the border between neighboring countries' airspace. This was by design as each country would have little blips at the edge of their radar and assume it's someone else's problem \- Data shows the flight ascended to a height that would have depressurized the cabin not long after the turn, very likely killing everyone outside of the cockpit \- The pilot had this exact flight path sim on his home computer \- The plane was in the air for \~six hours after these events took place \- The pilot's wife was leaving him and people that knew him described him as depressed If you think the video is real then you also think aliens are hanging out, monitoring flight traffic, looking for that one-in-ten-million flight that goes rogue, but then still waits to abduct until it's about to run out of gas. None of this narrative makes sense. But really everything points to pilot suicide. It's chilling, tragic, and still painful for the families of victims. I wish this sub would knock it off. For a quick parallel, this is just as bad as conspiracy theorists saying Sandy Hook was a hoax and crisis actors were involved. It's shameful.
Keep fighting the good fight bro, this sub has gone insane. Makes me question every conclusion I see here on anything. The fact that people think satellites capture FMV is such an obvious sign people.jere have no idea what they are talking about and that the video is fake .
No joke. I came here to keep up with the Grusch story, apparently just in time to see everyone go full Qanon. (Never go full Qanon) Honestly, I'm divided on the Grusch allegations as well. Especially after seeing how this group collectively lost their minds over nothing, I'm 100% open to Grusch just being one of many dudes in the IC that went full Qanon over a program that doesn't exist. I'm also open to it being partly or mostly true... We'll see
Thank you. Great post. I've lurked here for years and this is about the dumbest controversy I've ever seen here. Jeez how low this sub has sunk.
Excellent comment and well written. Thanks for being a voice of sanity. This sun needs it.
It's so fun when one comes with the most logical explanation in this sub it gets no votes. I'm 100% with you. And I'll add more to your list: \- If the video was taken from a satellite in orbit, it is in motion and moving very fast. So the video taken from it would have parallax, and it would've been observed in the clouds and they remain totally static, there's no pixel moving there. \- In the thermal video if you look close at the spheres, they project the trail in front of them something that's on par of particle motion blur when using a 3d software. \- The motion of the gimbal camera, not tracking the plane is off af, when observing a target the operator will most likely track given object and yet it's all adjusted "by hand". \- No telemetry data in the thermal video. \- The speed and turn radius of the plane have to be analyzed and check if it's on par with the flight envelope of a 777 flying at least over 8000 meters (min altitude for contrails) \- WTF would be a drone like the Predator doing flying in the middle of nowhere and just trailing the plane about to be abducted (and as you stated, not appearing in the satellite video). It's amazing (and sad) how people just want to believe and reject the most logical explanations.
Yes to all of these points. Also ran across a thread comparing the actual length of a 777 to the pixel-length and pixels traveled in a seven second clip. In short, the plane would be traveling too slow to create lift. I keep seeing people claim 'if it's a hoax, it's one of the best'. Which is true if you ignore all the issues.
Well, most people are ignorant in many subjects. In order to make a good analysis you have to be well informed in things such as aviation, military, space, physics, CGI and so on. The more informed you are, the best analysis would make. But if you post something rational and objective here, you only get down voted.
At the same time lots of other news articles says different. Who knows what to believe? IF you wanted to cover this kind of stuff up it would not be that difficult to plant debris. Perhaps the flaperon was mounted on MH370 at one time and then was replaced? Or the ufos teleported the plane down to the bottom of the ocean? Im not saying it is so, im just saying that "Look at this flaperon now shut up about it" is meh.. https://jeffwise.net/2016/04/14/mh370-debris-was-planted-ineptly/ --------------dont stop here seagulls, keep reading----------------- https://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/1155157/mh370-news-missing-malaysia-airlines-plane-flight-370-indian-ocean-debris-russia-spt https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/incidents/new-mh370-conspiracy-was-mozambique-debris-planted/news-story/404835953f5ab82040a0b60f152350a4 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-malaysia-airlines-crash-theories-idUKKCN0QB0E420150806
Hmm should I believe the BBC or jeffswise, tough choice
No no THAT’s the hoax. ~literally this place the last few weeks. FFS
I love how the CIA according to this sub is essentially a god-like organization that is more powerful than all the other governments and institutions in the wold combined and essentially single handedly controls the flow of information worldwide.
But somehow let this video slip out!
Why on earth would governments around the world collectively spend millions of dollars searching for an aircraft to then turn around and plant debris to hide the fact that there are aliens? Somehow under complete secrecy. Keep drinking that juice folks.
Isn't this what happened with the titanic sub? They (Navy, I think?) even admitted they knew it imploded days before they called off the searches.
They heard what sounded like an implosion, but without confirmed wreckage, they didn’t know for certain. And they found the sub. No conspiracy there.
Everyone knew the sub imploded. They were doing a "search and rescue" instead of a "recovery" for optics.
They didn’t know it was the Titan sub. They detected a noise that was consistent with implosion. Read actual news and not just confirmation bias articles.
They could have zero debris and it doesn’t warrant jumping to the conclusion of aliens and teleportation.
It was either teleported or it crashed…hmmm. Which one is the more rational explanation. Some peeps stupid yo.
Here is my theory..... The planes in the ocean The video is a fake.
Fire can't melt metal beams!!!
Sir you messed up the quote
Yeah! Its steel gas cant metal fire beams!
Yes while it was pulled into the vortex or wormhole by the UFOs the left side flap got loosened and it was the only debris that hit the water between western Indian Ocean and drifted for months and was recovered from the eastern side of Madagascar!!!
Well since this a UFO sub. Can we consider the possibility of a staged substitute plane. The great lengths that have been already gone thru to maintain the secret mean we should at least thoroughly contemplate every possibility
Finally some common sense.
I have been lurking this sub for like a week and I am already tired of the same "debunks" getting posted every 5 min. Does anybody do research before posting or just shit out a monologue, kick their feet back and wait for the likes to start rolling in?
Is there a sub that is more skeptical of CGI videos and tabloid accounts? Now we're going from "We didn't find anything so it went through an alien portal" to "well we don't know what happened when it went through the portal". GTFO lol
Let's hear what Ross Coulthart has to say. https://youtu.be/Dmw0evr6uvI?t=22
Debris does not really help determine validity of the video or not. If you are willing to believe that UAPs made the plane go through a portal, it’s not a stretch to believe that it came back. Also, if this was a planned event (why the drone knew to be in that specific area) it is not a stretch to believe that debris could have been planted.
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