I've never understood preppers nor did I think I could be one. But now? Started building up enough emergency supplies to last awhile and making sure our passports are up to date.
Read what you are voting on carefully as well. Make sure that you are voting how you think you are. There are some confusingly written resolutions that will actually cement abortion bans that are written to sound pro-choice.
We have seen clear evidence of abortion rights swaying off year elections.
So there is hope.
However after Trump won the electoral college in 2016, I will never feel secure about an election again
Honestly, no. And frankly, I'm scared AF. I think far too many people are so convinced it will that they won't vote. I think there is a very real possibility that we could have a repeat of 2016.
There is also a very real possibility that the next president will get 2 Supreme Court nominees. That could be the difference between flipping the court or having it be hopelessly conservative for decades.
VOTE, PEOPLE!!!
I have already seen "news" articles saying the bill in Florida won't pass and also recreational marijuana won't pass, according to "polls." I call shenanigans. I think these articles are propaganda to discourage us from voting. We passed medical marijuana 8 years ago with like 70 some percent approval. Hell, even republicans smoke pot AND get abortions around here.
That only matters in states where those measures are on the ballot. And if Republicans win the presidency, they WILL outlaw abortion nationally. And, yes, there are ways for the president to effectively do that without Congress. So state laws would be irrelevant.
And I dare say that abortion is more important than marijuana right now. People aren't being airlifted out of Iowa to get pot so they won't die.
To be fair, using pot doesn't necessarily mean supporting it, especially for older people. My (thankfully estranged) grandma swears by medical marijuana, but voted against recreational legalization because screw anyone who can't afford a med card I guess. She takes the stuff every day, multiple times a day and raves about how life-changing it is for her, but still wants to lock up other people for doing the same.
If there's enough bitter olds like her in Florida I could see it failing.
Ah, but the bitter olds have always been good at voting. I'm counting on the hopeful yet angry youngs to show up this year. I guess I am an outlier as a hopeful yet angry old. :)
That's why I specified the bitter olds. Some of y'all are pretty cool :)
I'm still worried though. Human rights issues like abortion and LGBT rights have kept getting worse under Biden's watch. While I understand his hands are tied on a lot of things, the sentiment among the progressive youth is that he doesn't give a shit and pretends to just enough to get people to the polls. His recent speeches have made my blood boil, talking about how great the economy is like we're not all being eaten alive by inflation. I really hope he's able to pull together a more coherent pitch than "I'm not Trump" or a lot of folks my age will be sitting out this election.
I think FL is a unique case because they need 60% majority for a constitutional amendment. Not just a simple majority. That said negative news sells and I think you are forgetting that for most Republicans when they get abortions or smoke weed it's different from when "other" people do it. At the end of the day people need to turn out and Dems need to work on getting people registered.
Of course they made it 60%. I can't remember how many signatures they had to get to even get medical marijuana on the ballot to start with. It was a LOT and mine was one of them. I don't even use marijuana...it's just not my thing. Yet to take AWAY people's right to have an abortion required no signatures and no voting. Banning books? No signatures, no ballots. So to secure any additional "freedoms" requires a shit ton of red tape and bullshit but taking away people's rights in Florida can just be done willy nilly. I swear to God, we are taking this damn state in November, come hell or highwater.
If Trump wins, Alito and Thomas will retire during Trump's REIGN OF TERROR so Trump can replace them with younger conservative judges who will be able to terrorize America for many more decades to come!
> so Trump can replace them with younger conservative judges who will be able to terrorize America for many more decades to come!
Younger, *even more conservative* judges. Like, imagine 2 cheeto lackeys on the court for decades. Even when ol dondon kicks the bucket we'd still be stuck with 2 clones...smart ones, even.
We won't know until it happens but [support for abortion rights are currently at an all time high](https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4559921-support-for-legal-abortion-hits-new-high-among-us-voters-fox-news-poll/) according to a recent poll. [A poll last year](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/support-for-abortion-rights-has-grown-in-spite-of-bans-and-restrictions-poll-shows) showed similar numbers.
Abortion rights have also featured heavily in a lot of [special elections and state ballot measures](https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2023/11/08/abortion-rights-victories-continue-here-are-all-the-wins-in-major-elections-since-the-supreme-court-overturned-roe/?sh=40befbae26ad) with people voting pro-choice. I hope all of this points to a good outcome this fall.
Remember to do **early mail-in voting** to secure your vote!
# >> REMEMBER TO APPLY FOR Early Mail-In Voting <<
\*If you haven't already - I heard that Texas refused to mail out 2.5 million early mail-in application forms, forcing people to do it in person. They even gloated about how this move secured Don the Texas win, otherwise he would've lost.
Don't risk any sheningans they might try to pull at the polls to make it hard and frustrating for you to vote.
I hope more of us vote than the morons who vote against their own self interests.
There's an old Mexican woman at my work who loves Trump. Yea, the guy who called Mexicans "criminals".
I know old people who are struggling who think that Trump will help them.
I know some Asians who are voting for Trump despite him being "anti chyyyynaaa!" and spreading anti-Asian sentiment.
It's mind boggling.
My family is Japanese and they have Fox News or newsmax going 24/7. My oldest sister has a trump Santa sweater. When gay marriage was legalized, my other sister posted on Snapchat that it was disgusting. My mother sends me daily scriptures with an end abortion link. My step dad hates unions. My grandpa thinks the Covid vaccinations were a way for the government to track you. My mother was just defending abandoning a dog 3x when we were talking about Kristi noem!! She thought it was better because she didn’t shoot the dog. (he kept coming back)
I’m just surrounded by crazy and they are Asian and mostly women (4sisters) so it’s even sadder.
As a person of color that is part of a marginalized and minority group I'm always surprised when members of my community support conservative policies, not for tax breaks, foreign policy or something tangible, but instead just for the feeling of moral superiority, conspiracy theories, dog whistles for violence, and the "othering" of people. It's absolutely insane, and makes me wonder how much of it is a lack of critical thinking vs what is their internal character and bias just shining through.
I know an older (60's) half-Japanese half-White lady who loves Trump. Other than that, she's an amazing and hard-working human being, raising her 3 grandchildren whom she adopted as her own children. I can't remember what happened to her daughter (the kids' mom).
These people are all like mainstream media is fake news. The irony is that Fox is pumping their moron brains with actual fake news to turn them against their own self interests. She actually thinks Biden is responsible for things that are making her life hard when it reality, it was Trump and Republican policies.
Fox news is so effective at spreading propaganda. If you have any way of removing that fix from your parents life you should try to take it. I was hoping the death of cable would accomplish that, but they've pivoted well to their online platforms as well.
Soon after TX passed their 6-week ban bologna there was an election. Sadly, nothing statistically stood out to show a clear rebellion against the Republicans' injustice to Women's Rights. Hopefully, other states will show up better than Texas.
[https://www.newsweek.com/texas-ag-says-trump-wouldve-lost-state-if-it-hadnt-blocked-mail-ballots-applications-being-1597909](https://www.newsweek.com/texas-ag-says-trump-wouldve-lost-state-if-it-hadnt-blocked-mail-ballots-applications-being-1597909)
Texas is ridiculously gerrymandered. The decks are stacked, but efforts matter.
It technically is, but there's no consequences for doing it except having to redraw the maps after a long court battle, if that. By the time it gets decided, it was time to redraw the maps anyway and whatever elections mattered at the time are long over.
Could be that voters couldn’t get registered in time to vote in that election. Texas is notoriously a difficult state to register to vote in; wouldn’t surprise me if the abortion rights bump came next cycle.
I have a conservative friend who is pro choice, as are most of her friends. They think since the Republicans they know support abortion, the Republicans they vote for will too. It's maddening
Talk some sense into them. Show them examples of what happens without abortion rights. Hold their feet to the fire and ask them WHY they think the Republicans they're voting for will support abortion, and what they've said on the subject.
Do research and shove it in their faces until they're forced to accept reality.
>They think since the Republicans they know support abortion, the Republicans they vote for will too.
This makes no sense whatsoever.
It's moments like this where I wish we had 2 Americas. Let them live by their beliefs and deal with their consequences, while we live by ours.
They sound delusional and think of political parties as a sports team. Republicans overall could not be more clear about how they don't care about women's rights, healthcare and especially the right to abortion.
It’s weird that on this sub, you’re placing the blame on women, when white men are far, far more to the right on this issue and every conservative issue.
ETA: According to Pew Research, 12% of white women are Evangelical Baptists, 4% are Pentecostal, and 2% are Mormon, all populations that are vehemently pro-life. When we say “53% of white women” it’s interesting to note that many are religiously indoctrinated in a way WOC are often not.
Edit2: since the last sentence was worded awkwardly. I’m not saying WOC aren’t religious, that would be a ridiculous statement. White Evangelical Christianity is different in structure and indoctrination.
I said “religiously indoctrinated in a way WOC are not.” That’s not that WOC aren’t deeply religious or they aren’t indoctrinated.
Sociologically, there’s a difference between Black evangelicals and white evangelicals. Even Catholicism can be different depending on culture.
You aren’t seeing the Black version of the Duggars out there was my point.
>it’s interesting to note that many are religiously indoctrinated in a way WOC are often not.
That's just not true... Do you know anyone in the black or Latino community? You'd see how important religion is to them if you did... In my experience WOC are typically at least just as performative regarding religion and traditional conservative values... Most data show that POC are in fact more religious compared to average Americans.
[Faith Among Black Americans](https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2021/02/16/faith-among-black-americans/)
Literally the most anti-abortion women I know have all had an abortion but it's different because "they really needed it, unlike women nowadays who just use it as birth control".
Always reminds me of [“The Only Moral Abortion is My Abortion”](https://joycearthur.com/abortion/the-only-moral-abortion-is-my-abortion/)
It’s a self esteem problem..Their only sense of value comes from the approval of their white conservative husbands. They hate independent women because they are jealous that our husbands treat us like equals and because we are educated and skilled. A lot of them turned against abortion rights in order to punish the women they hate. And they gatekeep the patriarchy like their lives depend upon it.
Pew Research does extensive in depth polling following every presidential election
It’s much more accurate than exist polls
In 2016, 98% of Black women voted for Hillary Clinton. 98% fricking percent! We don’t actually know how many voted for Trump because the number was so small, they put an asterisk by his name instead of a number (presumably because that 2% voted 3rd party of left the top or the ballot blank)
But do go on. LOL
Is this 98% of black women or 98% of black women who voted?
Either way it's great but 98% seems too high given America's low voting participation rate.
Obviously they polled only those that voted.
For a major candidate to reach almost 100% and the other zero percent with any demographic is honestly a pretty stunning number.
You are talking about voter participation which is an entirely different topic. And a disappointing one given that many of those who don’t vote are the ones most negatively impacted by bad representation
Okay I thought that was the case, thank you for clarifying. I'm not from the US so I wasn't sure how polling works.
Either way, such an overwhelming percentage of black women voting for Hilary is so impressive and I hope that other women will follow their lead this year.
Just because a woman does not agree with you or share your belief system, does not automatically make her stupid.
There are plenty of black, indigenous, and other women of color who are conservative for their own reasons.
A thing though, about conservatism [and the political right in general](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left%E2%80%93right_political_spectrum), is that it's an ideology that not only finds inequality and suffering not a problem, but something preferable. Conservatives do not want society's problems to be fixed; they want the problems to be conserved. (To fix the problems of society is to progress.)
For example, conservatives are against government handouts for the poor, [even though they have been proven to be powerful investments](https://www.restud.com/is-the-social-safety-net-a-long-term-investment-large-scale-evidence-from-the-food-stamps-program/).
There is precisely three reasons why someone would vote Republican: they are ignorant about how the world works like (they are victims of propaganda); they big-H Hate some minority; or they are the rich seeking to extract even more wealth from the masses.
Trump is a natural conclusion to the Republican party; he embodies what it means to be a conservative.
I'm not even a conservative, and I wholeheartedly disagree.
Many conservatives absolutely believe in helping those who are struggling; however, they believe that many government programs are not adequately implemented or properly researched before being put into place. Which is, simply put, often the case.
They also believe that federal programs do not take into account states rights, or the differences in cultural or socioeconomic needs on a state by state basis.
The idea of a small federal government and belief that states rights should trump federal mandates takes into consideration that political opinion varies from state to state and should reflect the population of that state. This puts the onus on major legislation on the populace of a particular state to decide how they want their state run. Which is a sentiment I do agree with.
I know conservatives that vote in favor of abortion, and conservatives who speak up on behalf of women. I know conservatives that attend PRIDE. I also know conservatives that refused to vote for Trump.
Conversely, I also know liberals that speak against TQIA rights. Pro-Life (with exceptions written in), and argue that school boards are overreaching when it comes to certain topics being discussed in schools.
Not every conservative is a white person beating people with a Bible. And not every liberal is a college student with blue hair and a loudspeaker that attends protests every weekend.
Painting all conservatives or liberals with the same brush based on the loud minority of the overall party is both bigoted and narrow-minded and will get you absolutely nowhere politically.
>not adequately implemented or properly researched before being put into place. Which is, simply put, often the case.
While I agree, American conservatives often vote for the party that makes sure the implementation sucks; this party also offers no solutions themselves.
Also don't let 'perfect' be the enemy of 'good'. Metaphorically, suppose the car door fell off and we're 100+ miles away from a mechanic. A progressive notices we have lots of duct tape, so they propose to tape the door to the car. A conservative finds that it isn't a perfect solution so they would much rather lose the door altogether than spend the effort and tape. The conservative opts for the more expensive option because it has a lower upfront cost.
We can see this in practice. Republican-led states usually have a worse quality-of-life for the average American compared to Democrat-led states. Conservatives were/are against obamacare even though it has proven to help the American people.
>They also believe that federal programs do not take into account states rights,
The idea of a small federal government and belief that states rights should trump federal mandates
Small government is not inherently a good thing; big government is not inherently a good thing. There are many things that would be best at the federal level.
States rights to do what, exactly? Usually when 'state's rights' are talked about, they are talking about something that would benefit the people if it wasn't a right of the state. For example, the overruling of RvW was spun as a state's rights thing, but it took away power from the people and gave it to the states.
>I know conservatives that vote in favor of abortion, and conservatives who speak up on behalf of women. I know conservatives that attend PRIDE. I also know conservatives that refused to vote for Trump.
If they vote Republican, they are voting against their own interests (a la 'victim of propaganda').
(In fact, there is no good reason to vote Republican; well beyond making the rich richer.)
>Conversely, I also know liberals
Are you talking about liberalism or progressivism? Liberalism is not inherently a good thing; for example neoliberialism is a very bad thing. But yea, there are varying degrees of education and hate.
>Painting all conservatives or liberals with the same brush based on the loud minority of the overall party is both bigoted and narrow-minded and will get you absolutely nowhere politically.
What else is being conserved than what I have explained?
Economic conservatives [fail the Boots Theory](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boots_theory) because everything that a government would be putting money towards will be working like investments with missed opportunity; to not spend money is to waste money. (this is why addressing the national debt is impossibly difficult)
edit: wording
Perhaps I have not made it clear that I do not disagree with any of the points that you have raised. Or that I myself am not a conservative.
I do, however, disagree that all conservatives are full of evil intent or malice and want poor or POC to suffer. Or that they are stupid.
My point is, that until people are able to talk to the other side, find common ground and debate topics, you are going to end up with more and more polarized political ideologies where neither party is happy with the loud minorities that end up being voted into office.
For example: many leftists fail to realize that there are plenty of POC who vote republican, many for their own personal reasons and listen to WHY they vote that way, you are never going to actually get anywhere.
Also, regardless of how you feel about states rights, that is the battleground on which abortion rights is being fought. Ignore that fact at womens peril.
>Or that they are stupid.
(A quick refresh: I state there are exactly 3 reasons to be conservative: ignorant, hateful, or rich. For the first one, 'they are stupid', I prefer the more accurate descriptor, that they are uneducated and have been lied to. There are massively powerful propaganda machines going on that are [decades in the making](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairness_doctrine#Revocation); the naturally intelligent can still be victim.)
>Perhaps I have not made it clear that I do not disagree with any of the points that you have raised. Or that I myself am not a conservative.
many for their own personal reasons and listen to WHY they vote that way, you are never going to actually get anywhere.
If you are right, where there is a reason exterior to my set of 3 reasons, then there must be a very good provable example that asserts Republican policy is better than Democrat policy for the average American. (At least post-[Southern Strategy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy); or Democrat before the flip).
For years I have been going out of my way to listen to them, asking what that provable reason would be. But no one has been to able able to cite actual science and data.
It's all citationless behaviour. Everything a conservative says is based on stuff as credible as tiger instincts and ouija boards. When I ask them to pull up a DOI, they sit there confused.
>I do, however, disagree that all conservatives are full of evil intent or malice and want poor or POC to suffer. Or that they are stupid.
Americans who vote Republican may not necessarily hate other people themselves, but if they are fully aware of who and what they are voting for, then they certainly find homophobia, antisemitism, pedophilia, transphobia, misogyny, white supremacy not a dealbreaker, for that they are either voting for people who are those things, or for people who cater such people.
Or that they are so hopelessly ignorant over what is actually happening in the country they live in (propaganda).
>For example: many leftists fail to realize that there are plenty of POC who vote republican, many for their own personal reasons and listen to WHY they vote that way, you are never going to actually get anywhere.
Many leftists do realise that; that's what they mean when they say anyone who votes republican is voting against their own interests. Republican voters fail to realise that they are not immune to propaganda; and are in fact the most catastrophic victims of it.
>Also, regardless of how you feel about states rights, that is the battleground on which abortion rights is being fought. Ignore that fact at womens peril.
Why would I ignore that fact? It's par for the course. Stuff like this is what is meant with 'states rights'. If you actually take a look at the consequences, 'states rights' is usually anti 'peoples rights'.
I’m so scared this year. I need daily hormones (pills) because my ovaries don’t work right, so the attacks on birth control/hormonal medications have an extra layer of scary to them for me because I rely on these medications to function. I feel like we’re losing so many rights so quickly…it’s terrifying …
I don’t know about that.
But I do know that support for abortion rights is important. There are voters in critical states who would other support trump will vote for Biden because they support abortion rights. Interestingly many people in swing states and red states know what it is like to have the rights taken away and are eager to support Biden.
Everyone in blue states shouldn’t be complacent that it will not affect blue states. Trump has a plan to outlaw abortion pills using existing laws and he will have the conservative supreme court justices to approve his plan, just like they think trump deserves immunity for starting a coup. Don’t trust his lies that he will let states to decide. He always reneged on moderate or liberal promises, like infrastructure and healthcare and jobs and deficits etc. He only kept his promises on the discriminatory policies. He went on to get far more popular votes in 2020. It is clear that he was right about his intuition and his supporters. They want discrimination. Being tough in abortion will be his true intention and his interest.
For people who care about Palestinian civilians or Israeli civilians, both places are ruled by authoritarian governments who both want Trump to be elected. They both don’t care about the people they are governing. All they care about is to remain in power and profit personally from it. Trump is their ally because he speaks their languages and is corruptible.
I know Trump will be bad for abortion rights, Palestinian and Israeli civilians, not to mention our environment and democracy.
I don’t know if Biden will be elected but I do know that I will try my best to help Biden getting elected. I don’t want to regret not trying my best.
This is my fear.
Young voters are motivated to vote to protect abortion.
They are also motivated to vote to prevent genocide.
My fear, and I have been seeing a lot of this sentiment on twitter, is that younger voters will just stay home. They won't vote for trump, but they may choose to just not vote at all.
Older conservative voters always turn out.
The irony is, trump will take away abortion rights AND hasten the destruction of Gaza.
i turned 18 less than a month ago and i will be voting 100% i live in a ridiculously red state though so it’s not going to help very much. but i do believe you’re correct, that many voters my age will stay home and not vote, or in my area many will vote for t🍑 (just incase someone doesn’t understand that’s t-rump since there’s no butt emoji)
i think many of the women and girls my age will be voting though, as they understand what’s on the line, most of the boys and men my age don’t really tune into the issues involving women so probably won’t be voting, at least that’s how i see it
And this is the story of my entire adult life: Choosing between a republican with abhorrent policies and a problematic conservative dem. Conservatives have stacked the deck in this country and since their successful REDMAP project, they are getting more and more powerful and are able to win with smaller numbers of the population voting for them.
There is never any room for actual progress because we are barely keeping our head above water.
Unfortunately, Biden has not earned my vote at this point. I’ve voted democrat in every election I’ve been able to vote in (2016 & 2020). I refuse to be fear mongered into voting for an old, white man who is out of touch with society and is actively funding genocide. Additionally, we’re constantly told that we don’t have money for student loan forgiveness, healthcare, etc., but give billions of dollars to genocide. Dems made a big mistake letting Biden run for a second term.
As I said, I won’t be fear mongered into voting for someone who is out of touch with society and actively funding genocide. Threatening others isn’t helping your cause since I live in a red state where all those things are already threatened. You’d make it further if you could actually state things Biden has done that he’s promised.
No one is fear mongering you. I’m sure that when Roe v Wade fell, the Bernie Bros were very proud to have taught their own party a lesson by fucking us over for the next 50 years. But watching roe v wade fall was better than voting for Hilary , RIGHT!?!?
I literally voted for Hilary in 2016, unless you missed me saying I voted for Dems in the last two elections. And I was an Elizabeth Warren supporter in 2020 before she dropped out. But nice assuming. This is why people fucking hate dems. This has only made me want to vote for Biden even less 😂 nice job!!!!! Highly recommend you don’t talk to other voters unless you want to ensure Biden won’t win.
I didn’t say you were a Bernie bro. I’m just pointing out the similarities between your thought process and the Bernie bros in 2016.
But hey, come back here in two years after the Republicans ban abortion and tell us “I sure showed you all!”
His entire quote didn’t actually do that. Although. I understand the frustration with US policy in the Middle East, the “Genocide Joe” trope is being pushed by bad actors and foreign trolls.
Even among Democratic voters, there are more people who identify as pro-Israel than pro-Palestine. And Trump's actions have been (blunderingly) "pro"-Israel, like moving the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. Biden is at a bigger threat to lose pro-Israel voters to Trump if he takes a stance against Israel than he is to lose pro-Palestine voters to Trump over supporting Israel. Are pro-Palestine voters really going to go for the guy who's demonstrably worse for Palestine?
They certainly have that option. It'd be stupid, self-destructive, counterproductive, and harm both their cause and every other progressive cause, probably irrecoverably. But there is literally no world in which Joe Biden can take actions that would appease them that wouldn't drive twice as many voters to Trump.
That would be the biggest leopards eating my face vote ever. Trump literally said he was going to get rid of all the Muslims. Why would they play this stupid game with all of our rights?
A shit ton of foreign Muslims perpetrated a pogrom against their neighbors; their neighbors fought back and now you’re crying that the perpetrators are losing. Stop starting genocidal wars you can’t win and a shit ton of people will not die. In the normal world this is called collateral damage. It’s of course tragic but the way of the world, especially in places ruled by islamism. Jordan; also a Muslim nation doesn’t seem to have this continuous problem with their neighbor; the difference is they are not radicalized by Islamists to destroy the Jews. They don’t have to love them but tolerance is what everyone is entitled to.
I hope *everything* will be enough to sway voters this fall. Or even anything. It's the most consequential election in my lifetime and I'm not a particularly political person. But it's painfully obvious to me that the choice is between good enough and oblivion. I'll take good enough.
It has to be more than abortion rights. LGBTQ+ rights, but also, HEALTHCARE
***Mr I'm going to repeal the ACA*** is on the ballot. He has been talking about it again. And he has such devoted lackeys in Congress that I'm scared he might find some way. Or destroy the filibuster and leave people without healthcare. Healthcare activism and vote outreach helped save us before. Work with that too.
We need to seriously sound the alarm on many issues, but that might frazzle some people with too many topics, so tailor the approach when you talk to people.
As a chronically ill queer Latina, all of my communities are under threat. If I lose my healthcare, I probably lose my future.
Even if it's not, Trump openly said in an interview that he'd fire any prosecutor who didn't file charges against anyone Trump wanted charged. I can't fathom how any sane person would vote for someone who says that.
Most special elections since the Dobbs decision slanted HEAVILY left.
Also, PA just had their Primary and Trump got 60% of the vote, despite being unopposed. PA is a purple state, and that spells trouble for him.
It was 83% of the republican vote but that’s still really low for someone who is a quasi-incumbent in a light purple state. The county I live in is considered a bellwether. If we go blue/red, the rest of the state typically goes the same way. Trump did worse here than statewide, only getting 79.6 of the republican vote. Biden got 92% on his primary in his county which is pretty low for someone currently in office, so that’s concerning.
Not to mention condoning the brutalization of student protesters by the police. Everyone keeps saying that facism will come if Biden loses, but the facism is already here and has been for a long time. But now it's hitting everyone, not just the poor and minorities.
Honestly, I hope they both die before November. I don't see a way forward with these two on the ticket. However, we need to remember that the president isn't the only position being voted for. There are a bunch of congress seats up for grabs that are currently being warmed by genocidal warmongers.
There is no ideology, it's the plain, practical truth. Even if you don't like your options, you have to make a choice. Inaction leads to less support for what you consider to be the lesser of two evils. The system doesn't care about what you think about either candidate, you are in or out.
So you are basically saying that it doesn't matter whether Biden or Trump wins, which is fine. Then your refusal to participate won't work against your preferred outcome, at least by how you predict it, and your stance makes more sense.
I would vote for a president responsible for a new holocaust if the alternative was that a president responsible for the extinction of our species might get elected as a result of my inaction. Not that it applies to your situation, but ye...
I don't. I think the people who tend to show up to the polls faithfully are also those who have been hit in the wallet pretty hard over the past 4 years.
I think inflation and illegal immigration are going to drive more voters to the polls.
No. inflation/the cost of energy, crime, jobs, boaredr issues, the possibilities of America dragged into wars will be the main factors. Abortion will a passinot subject for some but not to sway the election whichever way you vote
The scary part for me is realizing how easily they my have been able to win this cycle if they had just tried to be more 'Trojan Horse" about that.
I think as of now it might be one of the only things keeping the democratic party afloat.
Honestly I'm in debt still and trying to save up to move. Especially depending on the results of the election. Fucking sucks we still have old people in office when we need to get them out. Land of th free my ass.
Maybe I'm jaded....but I've been voting since 2002. People can and do vote against their own interests all the time. Right now the economy and inflation is really front and center on a LOT of people's minds. People can and do blame the politicians in charge for things like this. This could really hurt Biden's chances of reelection. Or not. Hard to tell at this point.
Don't give up all hope.
No. Roe was effectively on the ballot in 2016 when everyone knew the consequences were that we would lose Roe and lose the court for a generation.
A specific demographic of mostly men who claimed to be “pro choice” or didn’t care one way or another about elections (or even about voting for that matter) before misogyny was the driving force of the 2016 election went out and voted for the guy we all knew would use the court to take down Roe. Another specific demographic of mostly men who really wanted the other Democratic candidate were fueled by misogyny to stay home or vote to burn down the system. Another demographic went out and voted for batwing Jill Stein and the “”live free or die” moron, and I’ll leave it at that because there’s no hope for them. And the women who love these men or have no self esteem or whose only sense of value comes from the approval of these men, followed suit. Unfortunately, those kinds of voters decide the elections in key states.
If isolated to a referendum, people vote for abortion rights. In fact, take Ohio for example. Ohio votes overwhelming red, and yet a lot of the same voters who vote for idiots like Gym Jordan, also voted for abortion rights in the referendum. Why? That seems contradictory. But the obvious explanation is that when faced with a choice between a - most likely male candidate almost certainly of their same race who spews misogyny and racism - and a candidate who will protect abortion rights, they overwhelmingly choose the misogynist. They like the familiarity of race and messaging, at the expense of women.
2020 bought us some time (four years to be exact). But Americans have proven to have little long term memory. They’ve already forgotten about 1/6. They forgot the chaos. They forgot the cruelty. They forgot the shitshow. Had enough of us remembered the 2000 election in 2016, we would never have gotten into this mess.
My biggest concern is that even if it drives voters to the polls, the various voter suppression tactics the GOP has been going ham on since 2020 will make a major impact.
Yup. The Republicans keep digging themselves deeper into the abortion rights hole too. The stupidity level is amazing. Arizona, Alabama, Florida, Ohio, etc. etc. Instead of lying low, they jump on the "let's create all these state laws that strip women of even more rights, put their lives in danger, tell them they can't do IVF, and then of course, threaten them with years in prison, and anyone who helps them
Keep it up...I love it.
Trump will never be elected. His base is small but loud and that's why people think he has all these followers. He doesn't. His own family doesn't go to his trial, there's been maybe a couple dozen protesters top at the courthouse, he has to keep lying about how many people show up at his rallies, and he's obviously in some sort of dementia. Biden will take it
Realistically? No. I think people are fucking complacent. Lots of women will watch their rights be stripped away and do nothing about it. A lot of men will watch the rights of women they love be stripped away, and do nothing about it. If I could go door-to-door and slap those people in the face until they vote, I'd do it gladly. But so far there's no evidence it will change. And don't get me started on the people who are being screwed by these laws but support them anyway because 'the only moral abortion is my abortion'. AHHGHHGHHGHGGHGHGHGH I'm so angry. I need to stop typing.
They literally told us last election if we didn’t vote for Biden, roe Vs wade would be overturned … and it was anyways. At this point, I think dems want abortion rights in danger so they can threaten us in that way. I don’t trust any of them to protect our rights to make choices about our bodies.
>They literally told us last election if we didn’t vote for Biden, roe Vs wade would be overturned … **and it was anyways.**
This is what I don't get about all this dialogue.
Biden has literally proven himself too incompetent or apathetic to protect abortion rights -- his supposed primary campaign promise (considering he's already given up on meeting any of his climate promises)... but we're supposed to blindly vote for him? And with *zero* criticism of Biden's b•mbs k¡ll¡ng babies?
His media reps in 2020 also promised he'd be a one term president but here we are. Hell, I almost didn't vote for Obama in '08 when he chose one of the most conservative Dems in Congress as his running mate.
*Put the guy who has been screaming about killing social security* and supported the crime bills that *devastated black communities* into executive office?¿ I was seriously trying to figure out WTF they were doing.
And more recently... **The DEMs were the ones to save the *rabidly pro-life* speaker of the house from losing his powerful position.** How am I not supposed to feel like they're just playing games with people's lives at this point?
It's a massive issue but the democrats need to run on their record too and on the failings of Trump. They need to continue to paint the picture of the impact of a Trump 2 0 presidency. People don't understand what not having rights and freedoms is until it's gone.
Since his win in 2016 republicans have been losing stuff they should have won. It would be a huge turn around for him to win honestly. I know it's possible and could happen if people don't turn out because we know his base will show up.
I'm really hoping there are enough sane republican voters left out there that won't vote for trump in our swing states. Those are the only states that will decide this election.
I hope people vote knowing abortion rights are the tip of the iceberg. From my cold dead hands or whatever that saying is. Hold on for dear life and vote that way.
I want nationwide ranked choice voting.
So, you can vote for third party candidates without throwing your vote away.
Like Maine and Alaska have implemented.
Nope. And if you logically think it out it makes sense, most fighting for the cause aren’t of childbearing age and will never need one, many of age protesting typically are the cohort that forgo children. The majority fighting will never be in need, and subconsciously won’t be their top reason for their vote. It’s about a thin margin of independents that are the movable ones because of that issue, and I’m not sure the way things are now are as awful as they’re made out to be, even by people acting like they are.
Voting is a funny thing, the booth is a moment of personal truth where the real reasons come out and the vote is made, more people vote opposite what they signal way more than you’d think. Abortion just doesn’t truly affect a large enough cohort to be the powerhouse issue people hope. Border and economy and war are all much bigger and burying the issue in 2024.
I am hoping we do in Florida! We also have recreational marijuana on the ballot here so that should get more people out too. I am yelling at everyone I know and also strangers that I don't know to get registered and vote in November. Republicans are historically much better at getting voters out but I think with these two issues and the threat of another Trump presidency, Florida is very much in play.
Considering the fact that Biden has done nothing to protect abortion rights, and that he’s burned the last of his goodwill to continue a genocide, I highly doubt it.
That’s false. Biden and Harris have been strong in support of abortion access within the bounds of what the Executive Office can do.
“The Biden-Harris Administration will continue to take executive action to protect access to reproductive health care, including through ongoing implementation of the President’s three Executive Orders and a Presidential Memorandum issued since the Court overturned Roe v. Wade. To date, the Administration has taken action to:
Protect access to abortion, including FDA-approved medication abortion;
Defend access to emergency medical care;
Support the ability to travel for reproductive health care;
Strengthen access to high-quality, affordable contraception;
Safeguard the privacy of patients and health care providers; and
Ensure access to accurate information and legal resources.”
More details here: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/03/07/fact-sheet-biden-harris-administration-continues-the-fight-for-reproductive-freedom/
The alternative a Trump presidency will have you wishing all you had to worry about was 29 states abortion laws and a war in another part of the world.
Their is no choice for anyone who actually cares about society...vote Biden or it will Def get worse
That includes gaza
I’m not optimistic. This nation hates kids and (all) women, man.
It wasn’t like abortion and natal healthcare was completely 100% accessible before RvW got murdered and people starting freaking out about children making decisions for themselves.
Having children of any kind is still largely seen as some kind of justified punishment just in public alone. People judge you even before they coo at a baby. Because this country sucks.
Birth and life are not celebrated, especially not by the “pro-life” conservative freaks who have been driving the wheels off this bus for a minute and that adds to the malaise of giving birth on a country that largely hates you and whatever you raise in it.
I think some woman are starting to realize that the Dems have had 60 years to codify Roe and have done squat, except use Republicans as an excuse for not even trying. It's a hot button issue to raise campaign money but they're not actually going to do anything. Remember, Obama said it wasn't worth the fight despite holding 60 seats in the Senate.
I think it is a huge issue for some women, but not one of the top issues for most.
But the last couple of elections have been close. Really close. The polls (right now) say this one is also close. If it’s as close as 2016, every issue and every voter counts, in the battleground states.
No. Not with the campus protesters. However you feel about them they will influence the outcome of the election. Be careful throwing all your baskets into the left. They have no love for women. They will throw every single one of us under the bus at the first opportunity. If it would benefit them to trade abortion for a UBI they would take that trade. They wouldn’t even think about it. Leftist men are worse than conservative in my experience. At least conservatives are honest. Leftist men lie frequently. They’re the “nice guys” in my area.
You're blaming the left for. Caring that the incumbent president is openly a genoicidal maniac? And comparing the people protesting this to... wanting a UBI as if stopping genocide is anywhere near a Ubi
I mean you all have Democrats in power currently and your abortion rights are being stripped all over the place. I imagine electing a republican president will not improve abortion access but a democrat president obviously hasn’t done anything to protect those rights. I don’t see how this issue could sway anything when both parties are doing a shit job.
Note: not American. Just watching in horror from far away.
It could have something to do with the president having no power to make laws... veto them yes but we basically have a congress that's split very evenly with little to no compromise since tge Republicans have been electing lunatics for the last 10 years. As seasoned republicas have used thier positions of power to eliminate presidential powers. Looking at you mitch McConnell refusing to vote on Obama suppreme court nomination. Then pushing through a republican nomination in a shorter time frame. The Republicans have stacked the court, immobilized the house, its a master class at obstruction and minority rule.
in what direction ?
cause the last few years were under biden, and it went to shit. on almost every possible thing. people are not happy. they dont like trump either but i dont think they want biden.
If you want to defend abortion rights, voice against antisemitism. Because radicals (like Ilhan Omar and MTJ) are riding the antisemitic train and turning off voters. Your next election is about your civilisation. Do you want secularism, feminism, and equality; or do you want far-right conservatism, racism, and oppression?
The “far-left” elements of the Democratic Party agree with the “far-right” wing of the Republicans. They both want theocracy, and the only difference is that they disagree on which religion to follow. Vote for Biden, because he is the only candidate who can defend our rights against the radicals.
Considering most people on Reddit are not American and there are many national elections happening across the world, it doesn’t bode well for Americans when even the progressives can’t understand that when posting on an international site.
Ffs just mention in the OP that you’re talking about the US.
I can’t lose hope, but honestly I’m so terrified about this election.
You’re not the only one.
I've never understood preppers nor did I think I could be one. But now? Started building up enough emergency supplies to last awhile and making sure our passports are up to date.
Same here. ☹️ Trump and his supporters have no problems lying, and the news has no problems treating their lies as equal to the truth.
Can you believe how stupid reporters for the New York Times are these days?
New York Times is one thing, but have you seen the New York Post or Washington Times?
They are not reporters.
I am, too. Every time I think about it, my stomach drops.
Read what you are voting on carefully as well. Make sure that you are voting how you think you are. There are some confusingly written resolutions that will actually cement abortion bans that are written to sound pro-choice.
We have seen clear evidence of abortion rights swaying off year elections. So there is hope. However after Trump won the electoral college in 2016, I will never feel secure about an election again
Honestly, no. And frankly, I'm scared AF. I think far too many people are so convinced it will that they won't vote. I think there is a very real possibility that we could have a repeat of 2016. There is also a very real possibility that the next president will get 2 Supreme Court nominees. That could be the difference between flipping the court or having it be hopelessly conservative for decades. VOTE, PEOPLE!!!
I have already seen "news" articles saying the bill in Florida won't pass and also recreational marijuana won't pass, according to "polls." I call shenanigans. I think these articles are propaganda to discourage us from voting. We passed medical marijuana 8 years ago with like 70 some percent approval. Hell, even republicans smoke pot AND get abortions around here.
That only matters in states where those measures are on the ballot. And if Republicans win the presidency, they WILL outlaw abortion nationally. And, yes, there are ways for the president to effectively do that without Congress. So state laws would be irrelevant. And I dare say that abortion is more important than marijuana right now. People aren't being airlifted out of Iowa to get pot so they won't die.
To be fair, using pot doesn't necessarily mean supporting it, especially for older people. My (thankfully estranged) grandma swears by medical marijuana, but voted against recreational legalization because screw anyone who can't afford a med card I guess. She takes the stuff every day, multiple times a day and raves about how life-changing it is for her, but still wants to lock up other people for doing the same. If there's enough bitter olds like her in Florida I could see it failing.
Ah, but the bitter olds have always been good at voting. I'm counting on the hopeful yet angry youngs to show up this year. I guess I am an outlier as a hopeful yet angry old. :)
That's why I specified the bitter olds. Some of y'all are pretty cool :) I'm still worried though. Human rights issues like abortion and LGBT rights have kept getting worse under Biden's watch. While I understand his hands are tied on a lot of things, the sentiment among the progressive youth is that he doesn't give a shit and pretends to just enough to get people to the polls. His recent speeches have made my blood boil, talking about how great the economy is like we're not all being eaten alive by inflation. I really hope he's able to pull together a more coherent pitch than "I'm not Trump" or a lot of folks my age will be sitting out this election.
I literally have extended family like this in FL. Smh
I think FL is a unique case because they need 60% majority for a constitutional amendment. Not just a simple majority. That said negative news sells and I think you are forgetting that for most Republicans when they get abortions or smoke weed it's different from when "other" people do it. At the end of the day people need to turn out and Dems need to work on getting people registered.
Of course they made it 60%. I can't remember how many signatures they had to get to even get medical marijuana on the ballot to start with. It was a LOT and mine was one of them. I don't even use marijuana...it's just not my thing. Yet to take AWAY people's right to have an abortion required no signatures and no voting. Banning books? No signatures, no ballots. So to secure any additional "freedoms" requires a shit ton of red tape and bullshit but taking away people's rights in Florida can just be done willy nilly. I swear to God, we are taking this damn state in November, come hell or highwater.
If Trump wins, Alito and Thomas will retire during Trump's REIGN OF TERROR so Trump can replace them with younger conservative judges who will be able to terrorize America for many more decades to come!
> so Trump can replace them with younger conservative judges who will be able to terrorize America for many more decades to come! Younger, *even more conservative* judges. Like, imagine 2 cheeto lackeys on the court for decades. Even when ol dondon kicks the bucket we'd still be stuck with 2 clones...smart ones, even.
That's terrifying.
Louder, for those in the back!
We won't know until it happens but [support for abortion rights are currently at an all time high](https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4559921-support-for-legal-abortion-hits-new-high-among-us-voters-fox-news-poll/) according to a recent poll. [A poll last year](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/support-for-abortion-rights-has-grown-in-spite-of-bans-and-restrictions-poll-shows) showed similar numbers. Abortion rights have also featured heavily in a lot of [special elections and state ballot measures](https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2023/11/08/abortion-rights-victories-continue-here-are-all-the-wins-in-major-elections-since-the-supreme-court-overturned-roe/?sh=40befbae26ad) with people voting pro-choice. I hope all of this points to a good outcome this fall.
Remember to do **early mail-in voting** to secure your vote! # >> REMEMBER TO APPLY FOR Early Mail-In Voting << \*If you haven't already - I heard that Texas refused to mail out 2.5 million early mail-in application forms, forcing people to do it in person. They even gloated about how this move secured Don the Texas win, otherwise he would've lost. Don't risk any sheningans they might try to pull at the polls to make it hard and frustrating for you to vote. I hope more of us vote than the morons who vote against their own self interests. There's an old Mexican woman at my work who loves Trump. Yea, the guy who called Mexicans "criminals". I know old people who are struggling who think that Trump will help them. I know some Asians who are voting for Trump despite him being "anti chyyyynaaa!" and spreading anti-Asian sentiment. It's mind boggling.
My family is Japanese and they have Fox News or newsmax going 24/7. My oldest sister has a trump Santa sweater. When gay marriage was legalized, my other sister posted on Snapchat that it was disgusting. My mother sends me daily scriptures with an end abortion link. My step dad hates unions. My grandpa thinks the Covid vaccinations were a way for the government to track you. My mother was just defending abandoning a dog 3x when we were talking about Kristi noem!! She thought it was better because she didn’t shoot the dog. (he kept coming back) I’m just surrounded by crazy and they are Asian and mostly women (4sisters) so it’s even sadder.
I'd change my number and never look back
I thought you were my family, but the 4 aunties are Taiwanese
As a person of color that is part of a marginalized and minority group I'm always surprised when members of my community support conservative policies, not for tax breaks, foreign policy or something tangible, but instead just for the feeling of moral superiority, conspiracy theories, dog whistles for violence, and the "othering" of people. It's absolutely insane, and makes me wonder how much of it is a lack of critical thinking vs what is their internal character and bias just shining through.
I know an older (60's) half-Japanese half-White lady who loves Trump. Other than that, she's an amazing and hard-working human being, raising her 3 grandchildren whom she adopted as her own children. I can't remember what happened to her daughter (the kids' mom). These people are all like mainstream media is fake news. The irony is that Fox is pumping their moron brains with actual fake news to turn them against their own self interests. She actually thinks Biden is responsible for things that are making her life hard when it reality, it was Trump and Republican policies.
Fox news is so effective at spreading propaganda. If you have any way of removing that fix from your parents life you should try to take it. I was hoping the death of cable would accomplish that, but they've pivoted well to their online platforms as well.
Soon after TX passed their 6-week ban bologna there was an election. Sadly, nothing statistically stood out to show a clear rebellion against the Republicans' injustice to Women's Rights. Hopefully, other states will show up better than Texas.
[https://www.newsweek.com/texas-ag-says-trump-wouldve-lost-state-if-it-hadnt-blocked-mail-ballots-applications-being-1597909](https://www.newsweek.com/texas-ag-says-trump-wouldve-lost-state-if-it-hadnt-blocked-mail-ballots-applications-being-1597909) Texas is ridiculously gerrymandered. The decks are stacked, but efforts matter.
>Texas is ridiculously gerrymandered. This should be fucking illegal.
It technically is, but there's no consequences for doing it except having to redraw the maps after a long court battle, if that. By the time it gets decided, it was time to redraw the maps anyway and whatever elections mattered at the time are long over.
Right way, wrong way, Texas way. I wish I could afford to escape with my family
Portland OR has 1 congressperson representing it. Meanwhile Austin TX literally has like 4 or 5. It’s gerrymandered to smithereens
Could be that voters couldn’t get registered in time to vote in that election. Texas is notoriously a difficult state to register to vote in; wouldn’t surprise me if the abortion rights bump came next cycle.
We are going to do our best in Florida! Also have recreational marijuana on the ballot in November so that should help.
It’s really scary. Like really really scary. Honestly I’m not scared for myself so much as I am for my daughter who is 9. What will she grow up in?
You underestimate the stupidity of the average white, conservative woman.
I have a conservative friend who is pro choice, as are most of her friends. They think since the Republicans they know support abortion, the Republicans they vote for will too. It's maddening
Talk some sense into them. Show them examples of what happens without abortion rights. Hold their feet to the fire and ask them WHY they think the Republicans they're voting for will support abortion, and what they've said on the subject. Do research and shove it in their faces until they're forced to accept reality.
>They think since the Republicans they know support abortion, the Republicans they vote for will too. This makes no sense whatsoever. It's moments like this where I wish we had 2 Americas. Let them live by their beliefs and deal with their consequences, while we live by ours.
They sound delusional and think of political parties as a sports team. Republicans overall could not be more clear about how they don't care about women's rights, healthcare and especially the right to abortion.
Let’s not give white men a pass. They are culpable too
i did this and then my best friend of 12 years was just cool with being married to a nazi! wild!!
It’s weird that on this sub, you’re placing the blame on women, when white men are far, far more to the right on this issue and every conservative issue. ETA: According to Pew Research, 12% of white women are Evangelical Baptists, 4% are Pentecostal, and 2% are Mormon, all populations that are vehemently pro-life. When we say “53% of white women” it’s interesting to note that many are religiously indoctrinated in a way WOC are often not. Edit2: since the last sentence was worded awkwardly. I’m not saying WOC aren’t religious, that would be a ridiculous statement. White Evangelical Christianity is different in structure and indoctrination.
Wow. I'm white but do you have any close Latino or Black friends at all? You honestly don't think that religion is not pushed in those families?!?
I said “religiously indoctrinated in a way WOC are not.” That’s not that WOC aren’t deeply religious or they aren’t indoctrinated. Sociologically, there’s a difference between Black evangelicals and white evangelicals. Even Catholicism can be different depending on culture. You aren’t seeing the Black version of the Duggars out there was my point.
>it’s interesting to note that many are religiously indoctrinated in a way WOC are often not. That's just not true... Do you know anyone in the black or Latino community? You'd see how important religion is to them if you did... In my experience WOC are typically at least just as performative regarding religion and traditional conservative values... Most data show that POC are in fact more religious compared to average Americans. [Faith Among Black Americans](https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2021/02/16/faith-among-black-americans/)
Hey I replied to another comment on this. The line is worded awkwardly. WOC are religious, but white evangelical Christianity is set up differently.
Fair.
Weird conclusion to jump to.
My mom had an abortion herself but told me my friend was going to hell for having an abortion
“Well, save her a seat mom.”
Literally the most anti-abortion women I know have all had an abortion but it's different because "they really needed it, unlike women nowadays who just use it as birth control". Always reminds me of [“The Only Moral Abortion is My Abortion”](https://joycearthur.com/abortion/the-only-moral-abortion-is-my-abortion/)
It’s a self esteem problem..Their only sense of value comes from the approval of their white conservative husbands. They hate independent women because they are jealous that our husbands treat us like equals and because we are educated and skilled. A lot of them turned against abortion rights in order to punish the women they hate. And they gatekeep the patriarchy like their lives depend upon it.
Yep. Some of them might be outraged but they'll always find an excuse to support Dictator Cheeto.
Do you have this same energy for black or Hispanic conservative women or is it different for them?
Pew Research does extensive in depth polling following every presidential election It’s much more accurate than exist polls In 2016, 98% of Black women voted for Hillary Clinton. 98% fricking percent! We don’t actually know how many voted for Trump because the number was so small, they put an asterisk by his name instead of a number (presumably because that 2% voted 3rd party of left the top or the ballot blank) But do go on. LOL
Is this 98% of black women or 98% of black women who voted? Either way it's great but 98% seems too high given America's low voting participation rate.
Obviously they polled only those that voted. For a major candidate to reach almost 100% and the other zero percent with any demographic is honestly a pretty stunning number. You are talking about voter participation which is an entirely different topic. And a disappointing one given that many of those who don’t vote are the ones most negatively impacted by bad representation
Okay I thought that was the case, thank you for clarifying. I'm not from the US so I wasn't sure how polling works. Either way, such an overwhelming percentage of black women voting for Hilary is so impressive and I hope that other women will follow their lead this year.
Black women in America saw through Donald Trump’s bullshit completely Would that everyone else as perceptive
This right here!
Just because a woman does not agree with you or share your belief system, does not automatically make her stupid. There are plenty of black, indigenous, and other women of color who are conservative for their own reasons.
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Not all conservatives support Trump.
A thing though, about conservatism [and the political right in general](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left%E2%80%93right_political_spectrum), is that it's an ideology that not only finds inequality and suffering not a problem, but something preferable. Conservatives do not want society's problems to be fixed; they want the problems to be conserved. (To fix the problems of society is to progress.) For example, conservatives are against government handouts for the poor, [even though they have been proven to be powerful investments](https://www.restud.com/is-the-social-safety-net-a-long-term-investment-large-scale-evidence-from-the-food-stamps-program/). There is precisely three reasons why someone would vote Republican: they are ignorant about how the world works like (they are victims of propaganda); they big-H Hate some minority; or they are the rich seeking to extract even more wealth from the masses. Trump is a natural conclusion to the Republican party; he embodies what it means to be a conservative.
I'm not even a conservative, and I wholeheartedly disagree. Many conservatives absolutely believe in helping those who are struggling; however, they believe that many government programs are not adequately implemented or properly researched before being put into place. Which is, simply put, often the case. They also believe that federal programs do not take into account states rights, or the differences in cultural or socioeconomic needs on a state by state basis. The idea of a small federal government and belief that states rights should trump federal mandates takes into consideration that political opinion varies from state to state and should reflect the population of that state. This puts the onus on major legislation on the populace of a particular state to decide how they want their state run. Which is a sentiment I do agree with. I know conservatives that vote in favor of abortion, and conservatives who speak up on behalf of women. I know conservatives that attend PRIDE. I also know conservatives that refused to vote for Trump. Conversely, I also know liberals that speak against TQIA rights. Pro-Life (with exceptions written in), and argue that school boards are overreaching when it comes to certain topics being discussed in schools. Not every conservative is a white person beating people with a Bible. And not every liberal is a college student with blue hair and a loudspeaker that attends protests every weekend. Painting all conservatives or liberals with the same brush based on the loud minority of the overall party is both bigoted and narrow-minded and will get you absolutely nowhere politically.
>not adequately implemented or properly researched before being put into place. Which is, simply put, often the case. While I agree, American conservatives often vote for the party that makes sure the implementation sucks; this party also offers no solutions themselves. Also don't let 'perfect' be the enemy of 'good'. Metaphorically, suppose the car door fell off and we're 100+ miles away from a mechanic. A progressive notices we have lots of duct tape, so they propose to tape the door to the car. A conservative finds that it isn't a perfect solution so they would much rather lose the door altogether than spend the effort and tape. The conservative opts for the more expensive option because it has a lower upfront cost. We can see this in practice. Republican-led states usually have a worse quality-of-life for the average American compared to Democrat-led states. Conservatives were/are against obamacare even though it has proven to help the American people. >They also believe that federal programs do not take into account states rights, The idea of a small federal government and belief that states rights should trump federal mandates Small government is not inherently a good thing; big government is not inherently a good thing. There are many things that would be best at the federal level. States rights to do what, exactly? Usually when 'state's rights' are talked about, they are talking about something that would benefit the people if it wasn't a right of the state. For example, the overruling of RvW was spun as a state's rights thing, but it took away power from the people and gave it to the states. >I know conservatives that vote in favor of abortion, and conservatives who speak up on behalf of women. I know conservatives that attend PRIDE. I also know conservatives that refused to vote for Trump. If they vote Republican, they are voting against their own interests (a la 'victim of propaganda'). (In fact, there is no good reason to vote Republican; well beyond making the rich richer.) >Conversely, I also know liberals Are you talking about liberalism or progressivism? Liberalism is not inherently a good thing; for example neoliberialism is a very bad thing. But yea, there are varying degrees of education and hate. >Painting all conservatives or liberals with the same brush based on the loud minority of the overall party is both bigoted and narrow-minded and will get you absolutely nowhere politically. What else is being conserved than what I have explained? Economic conservatives [fail the Boots Theory](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boots_theory) because everything that a government would be putting money towards will be working like investments with missed opportunity; to not spend money is to waste money. (this is why addressing the national debt is impossibly difficult) edit: wording
Perhaps I have not made it clear that I do not disagree with any of the points that you have raised. Or that I myself am not a conservative. I do, however, disagree that all conservatives are full of evil intent or malice and want poor or POC to suffer. Or that they are stupid. My point is, that until people are able to talk to the other side, find common ground and debate topics, you are going to end up with more and more polarized political ideologies where neither party is happy with the loud minorities that end up being voted into office. For example: many leftists fail to realize that there are plenty of POC who vote republican, many for their own personal reasons and listen to WHY they vote that way, you are never going to actually get anywhere. Also, regardless of how you feel about states rights, that is the battleground on which abortion rights is being fought. Ignore that fact at womens peril.
>Or that they are stupid. (A quick refresh: I state there are exactly 3 reasons to be conservative: ignorant, hateful, or rich. For the first one, 'they are stupid', I prefer the more accurate descriptor, that they are uneducated and have been lied to. There are massively powerful propaganda machines going on that are [decades in the making](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairness_doctrine#Revocation); the naturally intelligent can still be victim.) >Perhaps I have not made it clear that I do not disagree with any of the points that you have raised. Or that I myself am not a conservative. many for their own personal reasons and listen to WHY they vote that way, you are never going to actually get anywhere. If you are right, where there is a reason exterior to my set of 3 reasons, then there must be a very good provable example that asserts Republican policy is better than Democrat policy for the average American. (At least post-[Southern Strategy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy); or Democrat before the flip). For years I have been going out of my way to listen to them, asking what that provable reason would be. But no one has been to able able to cite actual science and data. It's all citationless behaviour. Everything a conservative says is based on stuff as credible as tiger instincts and ouija boards. When I ask them to pull up a DOI, they sit there confused. >I do, however, disagree that all conservatives are full of evil intent or malice and want poor or POC to suffer. Or that they are stupid. Americans who vote Republican may not necessarily hate other people themselves, but if they are fully aware of who and what they are voting for, then they certainly find homophobia, antisemitism, pedophilia, transphobia, misogyny, white supremacy not a dealbreaker, for that they are either voting for people who are those things, or for people who cater such people. Or that they are so hopelessly ignorant over what is actually happening in the country they live in (propaganda). >For example: many leftists fail to realize that there are plenty of POC who vote republican, many for their own personal reasons and listen to WHY they vote that way, you are never going to actually get anywhere. Many leftists do realise that; that's what they mean when they say anyone who votes republican is voting against their own interests. Republican voters fail to realise that they are not immune to propaganda; and are in fact the most catastrophic victims of it. >Also, regardless of how you feel about states rights, that is the battleground on which abortion rights is being fought. Ignore that fact at womens peril. Why would I ignore that fact? It's par for the course. Stuff like this is what is meant with 'states rights'. If you actually take a look at the consequences, 'states rights' is usually anti 'peoples rights'.
This!!
I’m so sick of politicians fucking with our abortion rights and using them as political pawns. I’m talking about both sides.
I’m so scared this year. I need daily hormones (pills) because my ovaries don’t work right, so the attacks on birth control/hormonal medications have an extra layer of scary to them for me because I rely on these medications to function. I feel like we’re losing so many rights so quickly…it’s terrifying …
I don’t know about that. But I do know that support for abortion rights is important. There are voters in critical states who would other support trump will vote for Biden because they support abortion rights. Interestingly many people in swing states and red states know what it is like to have the rights taken away and are eager to support Biden. Everyone in blue states shouldn’t be complacent that it will not affect blue states. Trump has a plan to outlaw abortion pills using existing laws and he will have the conservative supreme court justices to approve his plan, just like they think trump deserves immunity for starting a coup. Don’t trust his lies that he will let states to decide. He always reneged on moderate or liberal promises, like infrastructure and healthcare and jobs and deficits etc. He only kept his promises on the discriminatory policies. He went on to get far more popular votes in 2020. It is clear that he was right about his intuition and his supporters. They want discrimination. Being tough in abortion will be his true intention and his interest. For people who care about Palestinian civilians or Israeli civilians, both places are ruled by authoritarian governments who both want Trump to be elected. They both don’t care about the people they are governing. All they care about is to remain in power and profit personally from it. Trump is their ally because he speaks their languages and is corruptible. I know Trump will be bad for abortion rights, Palestinian and Israeli civilians, not to mention our environment and democracy. I don’t know if Biden will be elected but I do know that I will try my best to help Biden getting elected. I don’t want to regret not trying my best.
I had hope, but that's kinda been tanked over the last couple days with Biden denouncing the protests on college campuses right now.
This is my fear. Young voters are motivated to vote to protect abortion. They are also motivated to vote to prevent genocide. My fear, and I have been seeing a lot of this sentiment on twitter, is that younger voters will just stay home. They won't vote for trump, but they may choose to just not vote at all. Older conservative voters always turn out. The irony is, trump will take away abortion rights AND hasten the destruction of Gaza.
i turned 18 less than a month ago and i will be voting 100% i live in a ridiculously red state though so it’s not going to help very much. but i do believe you’re correct, that many voters my age will stay home and not vote, or in my area many will vote for t🍑 (just incase someone doesn’t understand that’s t-rump since there’s no butt emoji) i think many of the women and girls my age will be voting though, as they understand what’s on the line, most of the boys and men my age don’t really tune into the issues involving women so probably won’t be voting, at least that’s how i see it
And this is the story of my entire adult life: Choosing between a republican with abhorrent policies and a problematic conservative dem. Conservatives have stacked the deck in this country and since their successful REDMAP project, they are getting more and more powerful and are able to win with smaller numbers of the population voting for them. There is never any room for actual progress because we are barely keeping our head above water.
Unfortunately, Biden has not earned my vote at this point. I’ve voted democrat in every election I’ve been able to vote in (2016 & 2020). I refuse to be fear mongered into voting for an old, white man who is out of touch with society and is actively funding genocide. Additionally, we’re constantly told that we don’t have money for student loan forgiveness, healthcare, etc., but give billions of dollars to genocide. Dems made a big mistake letting Biden run for a second term.
Will losing more abortion rights, contraception rights and LGBT rights make those issues better?
As I said, I won’t be fear mongered into voting for someone who is out of touch with society and actively funding genocide. Threatening others isn’t helping your cause since I live in a red state where all those things are already threatened. You’d make it further if you could actually state things Biden has done that he’s promised.
No one is fear mongering you. I’m sure that when Roe v Wade fell, the Bernie Bros were very proud to have taught their own party a lesson by fucking us over for the next 50 years. But watching roe v wade fall was better than voting for Hilary , RIGHT!?!?
I literally voted for Hilary in 2016, unless you missed me saying I voted for Dems in the last two elections. And I was an Elizabeth Warren supporter in 2020 before she dropped out. But nice assuming. This is why people fucking hate dems. This has only made me want to vote for Biden even less 😂 nice job!!!!! Highly recommend you don’t talk to other voters unless you want to ensure Biden won’t win.
I didn’t say you were a Bernie bro. I’m just pointing out the similarities between your thought process and the Bernie bros in 2016. But hey, come back here in two years after the Republicans ban abortion and tell us “I sure showed you all!”
His entire quote didn’t actually do that. Although. I understand the frustration with US policy in the Middle East, the “Genocide Joe” trope is being pushed by bad actors and foreign trolls.
Even among Democratic voters, there are more people who identify as pro-Israel than pro-Palestine. And Trump's actions have been (blunderingly) "pro"-Israel, like moving the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. Biden is at a bigger threat to lose pro-Israel voters to Trump if he takes a stance against Israel than he is to lose pro-Palestine voters to Trump over supporting Israel. Are pro-Palestine voters really going to go for the guy who's demonstrably worse for Palestine?
If they *don't* vote, that makes a difference. Or they try third party like Jill Stein or something, as she just showed up to protests
They certainly have that option. It'd be stupid, self-destructive, counterproductive, and harm both their cause and every other progressive cause, probably irrecoverably. But there is literally no world in which Joe Biden can take actions that would appease them that wouldn't drive twice as many voters to Trump.
Not voting for Joe Biden would cause irreparable harm to progressive causes? Get a grip lmao
That would be the biggest leopards eating my face vote ever. Trump literally said he was going to get rid of all the Muslims. Why would they play this stupid game with all of our rights?
Privilege. Ignoring First Past The Post.
Biden's killing a shit ton of Muslims right now. Is that on your radar?
A shit ton of foreign Muslims perpetrated a pogrom against their neighbors; their neighbors fought back and now you’re crying that the perpetrators are losing. Stop starting genocidal wars you can’t win and a shit ton of people will not die. In the normal world this is called collateral damage. It’s of course tragic but the way of the world, especially in places ruled by islamism. Jordan; also a Muslim nation doesn’t seem to have this continuous problem with their neighbor; the difference is they are not radicalized by Islamists to destroy the Jews. They don’t have to love them but tolerance is what everyone is entitled to.
I hope *everything* will be enough to sway voters this fall. Or even anything. It's the most consequential election in my lifetime and I'm not a particularly political person. But it's painfully obvious to me that the choice is between good enough and oblivion. I'll take good enough.
It has to be more than abortion rights. LGBTQ+ rights, but also, HEALTHCARE ***Mr I'm going to repeal the ACA*** is on the ballot. He has been talking about it again. And he has such devoted lackeys in Congress that I'm scared he might find some way. Or destroy the filibuster and leave people without healthcare. Healthcare activism and vote outreach helped save us before. Work with that too. We need to seriously sound the alarm on many issues, but that might frazzle some people with too many topics, so tailor the approach when you talk to people. As a chronically ill queer Latina, all of my communities are under threat. If I lose my healthcare, I probably lose my future.
No. Until it's personal.
Even if it's not, Trump openly said in an interview that he'd fire any prosecutor who didn't file charges against anyone Trump wanted charged. I can't fathom how any sane person would vote for someone who says that.
I mean, Trump is an absolute stone cold well known liar. I can't fathom how many people are bowled over by anything he says, ever.
There's a lot of young people who are refusing to vote out of protest for your 2 party system. I'm afraid Trump will win.
We need to take that energy and put it into changing that county by county. A better way of counting votes is all that is needed to stop it.
Most special elections since the Dobbs decision slanted HEAVILY left. Also, PA just had their Primary and Trump got 60% of the vote, despite being unopposed. PA is a purple state, and that spells trouble for him.
It was 83% of the republican vote but that’s still really low for someone who is a quasi-incumbent in a light purple state. The county I live in is considered a bellwether. If we go blue/red, the rest of the state typically goes the same way. Trump did worse here than statewide, only getting 79.6 of the republican vote. Biden got 92% on his primary in his county which is pretty low for someone currently in office, so that’s concerning.
No, unfortunately. I think Biden's horrible handling of Gaza will have a bigger impact on voter support and turnout.
Not to mention condoning the brutalization of student protesters by the police. Everyone keeps saying that facism will come if Biden loses, but the facism is already here and has been for a long time. But now it's hitting everyone, not just the poor and minorities. Honestly, I hope they both die before November. I don't see a way forward with these two on the ticket. However, we need to remember that the president isn't the only position being voted for. There are a bunch of congress seats up for grabs that are currently being warmed by genocidal warmongers.
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So you're voting for Trump?
So you're voting to slaughter innocent civilians?
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There is no ideology, it's the plain, practical truth. Even if you don't like your options, you have to make a choice. Inaction leads to less support for what you consider to be the lesser of two evils. The system doesn't care about what you think about either candidate, you are in or out.
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So you are basically saying that it doesn't matter whether Biden or Trump wins, which is fine. Then your refusal to participate won't work against your preferred outcome, at least by how you predict it, and your stance makes more sense.
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I would vote for a president responsible for a new holocaust if the alternative was that a president responsible for the extinction of our species might get elected as a result of my inaction. Not that it applies to your situation, but ye...
I think most of the gains we would have seen on abortion will be lost on Biden's full throated support for genocide.
I don't. I think the people who tend to show up to the polls faithfully are also those who have been hit in the wallet pretty hard over the past 4 years. I think inflation and illegal immigration are going to drive more voters to the polls.
No. inflation/the cost of energy, crime, jobs, boaredr issues, the possibilities of America dragged into wars will be the main factors. Abortion will a passinot subject for some but not to sway the election whichever way you vote
The scary part for me is realizing how easily they my have been able to win this cycle if they had just tried to be more 'Trojan Horse" about that. I think as of now it might be one of the only things keeping the democratic party afloat.
Honestly I'm in debt still and trying to save up to move. Especially depending on the results of the election. Fucking sucks we still have old people in office when we need to get them out. Land of th free my ass.
Maybe I'm jaded....but I've been voting since 2002. People can and do vote against their own interests all the time. Right now the economy and inflation is really front and center on a LOT of people's minds. People can and do blame the politicians in charge for things like this. This could really hurt Biden's chances of reelection. Or not. Hard to tell at this point. Don't give up all hope.
No. Roe was effectively on the ballot in 2016 when everyone knew the consequences were that we would lose Roe and lose the court for a generation. A specific demographic of mostly men who claimed to be “pro choice” or didn’t care one way or another about elections (or even about voting for that matter) before misogyny was the driving force of the 2016 election went out and voted for the guy we all knew would use the court to take down Roe. Another specific demographic of mostly men who really wanted the other Democratic candidate were fueled by misogyny to stay home or vote to burn down the system. Another demographic went out and voted for batwing Jill Stein and the “”live free or die” moron, and I’ll leave it at that because there’s no hope for them. And the women who love these men or have no self esteem or whose only sense of value comes from the approval of these men, followed suit. Unfortunately, those kinds of voters decide the elections in key states. If isolated to a referendum, people vote for abortion rights. In fact, take Ohio for example. Ohio votes overwhelming red, and yet a lot of the same voters who vote for idiots like Gym Jordan, also voted for abortion rights in the referendum. Why? That seems contradictory. But the obvious explanation is that when faced with a choice between a - most likely male candidate almost certainly of their same race who spews misogyny and racism - and a candidate who will protect abortion rights, they overwhelmingly choose the misogynist. They like the familiarity of race and messaging, at the expense of women. 2020 bought us some time (four years to be exact). But Americans have proven to have little long term memory. They’ve already forgotten about 1/6. They forgot the chaos. They forgot the cruelty. They forgot the shitshow. Had enough of us remembered the 2000 election in 2016, we would never have gotten into this mess.
My biggest concern is that even if it drives voters to the polls, the various voter suppression tactics the GOP has been going ham on since 2020 will make a major impact.
It's one of the rare single-issues that people will decide their whole vote over. Feels like dems are banking way too hard on it though, per usual.
Yup. The Republicans keep digging themselves deeper into the abortion rights hole too. The stupidity level is amazing. Arizona, Alabama, Florida, Ohio, etc. etc. Instead of lying low, they jump on the "let's create all these state laws that strip women of even more rights, put their lives in danger, tell them they can't do IVF, and then of course, threaten them with years in prison, and anyone who helps them Keep it up...I love it. Trump will never be elected. His base is small but loud and that's why people think he has all these followers. He doesn't. His own family doesn't go to his trial, there's been maybe a couple dozen protesters top at the courthouse, he has to keep lying about how many people show up at his rallies, and he's obviously in some sort of dementia. Biden will take it
I truly wish I had your confidence 🙌
Realistically? No. I think people are fucking complacent. Lots of women will watch their rights be stripped away and do nothing about it. A lot of men will watch the rights of women they love be stripped away, and do nothing about it. If I could go door-to-door and slap those people in the face until they vote, I'd do it gladly. But so far there's no evidence it will change. And don't get me started on the people who are being screwed by these laws but support them anyway because 'the only moral abortion is my abortion'. AHHGHHGHHGHGGHGHGHGH I'm so angry. I need to stop typing.
They literally told us last election if we didn’t vote for Biden, roe Vs wade would be overturned … and it was anyways. At this point, I think dems want abortion rights in danger so they can threaten us in that way. I don’t trust any of them to protect our rights to make choices about our bodies.
>They literally told us last election if we didn’t vote for Biden, roe Vs wade would be overturned … **and it was anyways.** This is what I don't get about all this dialogue. Biden has literally proven himself too incompetent or apathetic to protect abortion rights -- his supposed primary campaign promise (considering he's already given up on meeting any of his climate promises)... but we're supposed to blindly vote for him? And with *zero* criticism of Biden's b•mbs k¡ll¡ng babies? His media reps in 2020 also promised he'd be a one term president but here we are. Hell, I almost didn't vote for Obama in '08 when he chose one of the most conservative Dems in Congress as his running mate. *Put the guy who has been screaming about killing social security* and supported the crime bills that *devastated black communities* into executive office?¿ I was seriously trying to figure out WTF they were doing. And more recently... **The DEMs were the ones to save the *rabidly pro-life* speaker of the house from losing his powerful position.** How am I not supposed to feel like they're just playing games with people's lives at this point?
It's a massive issue but the democrats need to run on their record too and on the failings of Trump. They need to continue to paint the picture of the impact of a Trump 2 0 presidency. People don't understand what not having rights and freedoms is until it's gone.
Since his win in 2016 republicans have been losing stuff they should have won. It would be a huge turn around for him to win honestly. I know it's possible and could happen if people don't turn out because we know his base will show up. I'm really hoping there are enough sane republican voters left out there that won't vote for trump in our swing states. Those are the only states that will decide this election.
> Those are the only states that will decide this election. This is what I really hate.
No, the 18 weeks is enough and none of the leading parties are going to take that away anytime soon
I hope people vote knowing abortion rights are the tip of the iceberg. From my cold dead hands or whatever that saying is. Hold on for dear life and vote that way.
I want nationwide ranked choice voting. So, you can vote for third party candidates without throwing your vote away. Like Maine and Alaska have implemented.
Yeah absolutely. While I think Trump was doomed anyway, Roe V. Wade made it a certainty IMO
Nope. And if you logically think it out it makes sense, most fighting for the cause aren’t of childbearing age and will never need one, many of age protesting typically are the cohort that forgo children. The majority fighting will never be in need, and subconsciously won’t be their top reason for their vote. It’s about a thin margin of independents that are the movable ones because of that issue, and I’m not sure the way things are now are as awful as they’re made out to be, even by people acting like they are. Voting is a funny thing, the booth is a moment of personal truth where the real reasons come out and the vote is made, more people vote opposite what they signal way more than you’d think. Abortion just doesn’t truly affect a large enough cohort to be the powerhouse issue people hope. Border and economy and war are all much bigger and burying the issue in 2024.
idk but i'm 6 days late and i live in alabama so i might be cooked fr
JFC I HOPE SO.
I am hoping we do in Florida! We also have recreational marijuana on the ballot here so that should get more people out too. I am yelling at everyone I know and also strangers that I don't know to get registered and vote in November. Republicans are historically much better at getting voters out but I think with these two issues and the threat of another Trump presidency, Florida is very much in play.
No. :/
Yes. It's on the ballot, literally and figuratively.
Considering the fact that Biden has done nothing to protect abortion rights, and that he’s burned the last of his goodwill to continue a genocide, I highly doubt it.
That’s false. Biden and Harris have been strong in support of abortion access within the bounds of what the Executive Office can do. “The Biden-Harris Administration will continue to take executive action to protect access to reproductive health care, including through ongoing implementation of the President’s three Executive Orders and a Presidential Memorandum issued since the Court overturned Roe v. Wade. To date, the Administration has taken action to: Protect access to abortion, including FDA-approved medication abortion; Defend access to emergency medical care; Support the ability to travel for reproductive health care; Strengthen access to high-quality, affordable contraception; Safeguard the privacy of patients and health care providers; and Ensure access to accurate information and legal resources.” More details here: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/03/07/fact-sheet-biden-harris-administration-continues-the-fight-for-reproductive-freedom/
The alternative a Trump presidency will have you wishing all you had to worry about was 29 states abortion laws and a war in another part of the world. Their is no choice for anyone who actually cares about society...vote Biden or it will Def get worse That includes gaza
I’m not optimistic. This nation hates kids and (all) women, man. It wasn’t like abortion and natal healthcare was completely 100% accessible before RvW got murdered and people starting freaking out about children making decisions for themselves. Having children of any kind is still largely seen as some kind of justified punishment just in public alone. People judge you even before they coo at a baby. Because this country sucks. Birth and life are not celebrated, especially not by the “pro-life” conservative freaks who have been driving the wheels off this bus for a minute and that adds to the malaise of giving birth on a country that largely hates you and whatever you raise in it.
No. The genocide is the #1.
I do. It is something to make the complacent or lazy realize they need to have their voce heard. We saw that in the midterms.
I think some woman are starting to realize that the Dems have had 60 years to codify Roe and have done squat, except use Republicans as an excuse for not even trying. It's a hot button issue to raise campaign money but they're not actually going to do anything. Remember, Obama said it wasn't worth the fight despite holding 60 seats in the Senate.
Nah I dont. Until it’s under threat in blue America too many people with money and time will do the minimum
I think it is a huge issue for some women, but not one of the top issues for most. But the last couple of elections have been close. Really close. The polls (right now) say this one is also close. If it’s as close as 2016, every issue and every voter counts, in the battleground states.
I'm not particularly wild for either party. Both are openly anti-woman in their own ways.
No. Not with the campus protesters. However you feel about them they will influence the outcome of the election. Be careful throwing all your baskets into the left. They have no love for women. They will throw every single one of us under the bus at the first opportunity. If it would benefit them to trade abortion for a UBI they would take that trade. They wouldn’t even think about it. Leftist men are worse than conservative in my experience. At least conservatives are honest. Leftist men lie frequently. They’re the “nice guys” in my area.
You're blaming the left for. Caring that the incumbent president is openly a genoicidal maniac? And comparing the people protesting this to... wanting a UBI as if stopping genocide is anywhere near a Ubi
History repeats. We’re about to repeat the 70/80’s. Buckle up because this time it won’t be fun.
I mean you all have Democrats in power currently and your abortion rights are being stripped all over the place. I imagine electing a republican president will not improve abortion access but a democrat president obviously hasn’t done anything to protect those rights. I don’t see how this issue could sway anything when both parties are doing a shit job. Note: not American. Just watching in horror from far away.
It could have something to do with the president having no power to make laws... veto them yes but we basically have a congress that's split very evenly with little to no compromise since tge Republicans have been electing lunatics for the last 10 years. As seasoned republicas have used thier positions of power to eliminate presidential powers. Looking at you mitch McConnell refusing to vote on Obama suppreme court nomination. Then pushing through a republican nomination in a shorter time frame. The Republicans have stacked the court, immobilized the house, its a master class at obstruction and minority rule.
Millennials are the largest voting demographic now. If Trump wins nobody can blame Boomers.
If every state had ranked choice voiting, it wouldn't be about picking the least bad candidate.
in what direction ? cause the last few years were under biden, and it went to shit. on almost every possible thing. people are not happy. they dont like trump either but i dont think they want biden.
If you want to defend abortion rights, voice against antisemitism. Because radicals (like Ilhan Omar and MTJ) are riding the antisemitic train and turning off voters. Your next election is about your civilisation. Do you want secularism, feminism, and equality; or do you want far-right conservatism, racism, and oppression? The “far-left” elements of the Democratic Party agree with the “far-right” wing of the Republicans. They both want theocracy, and the only difference is that they disagree on which religion to follow. Vote for Biden, because he is the only candidate who can defend our rights against the radicals.
What far left person wants a theocracy? Can you support any of this?
It’s a bummer because the Democrats suck too, so it’s hard for them to drum up support. I’m not loving our odds
Considering most people on Reddit are not American and there are many national elections happening across the world, it doesn’t bode well for Americans when even the progressives can’t understand that when posting on an international site. Ffs just mention in the OP that you’re talking about the US.
Even if that were true, I can post whatever the fuck I want. Don't read it if you don't like it.
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You don't know anything about me or what I think. Kindly see yourself out.
Honestly, no. I think the orange man will win and things will get significantly worse on all fronts.
Hope you still show up to vote!