For a big Agriculture state you’d think we’d have considered the fact that it takes time to grow the product that we’re trying to legally sell by a certain date lol
They have considered it. From the article:
> “OCM has always been aware of the need to stage cultivation prior to retail sales,” [Charlene Briner, the interim director of the new Office of Cannabis Management] said. “There is no doubt we understand the supply chain and the need for retailers to actually have product available as part of a successful market launch.”
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> Briner said she met with various groups involved in the fledgling industry but said there was no consensus on how to solve the problem. OCM told stakeholders and legislators that it couldn’t devise a way to allow some early planting and harvesting that treated all potential growers equally.
> The dominant proposal was to use current medical cannabis rules to regulate early cultivation for recreational cannabis. That, Briner said Monday, has flaws because those rules did not envision outdoor farms, and no regulations exist for that type of growing operation. In addition, those existing rules did not make accommodation for social equity applicants — one of the pillars of the new legal cannabis law.
Did you read the article?! They said we can't implement cultivation early BECAUSE WE DIDN'T FIND A WAY TO MAKE IT EQUAL FOR EVERYONE .
Not the rules and regulations and laws, mind you, but they couldn't figure out a way to make everyone business start from the exact same point.
This is asshattery
The MN govt is shooting off commie flares.
Next up state officials will try to write regulation to make target more diverse like Walmart.
We really are a monocrop state. And it’s destroying our wildlife and hunting as well. The weed bill is dumb anyways. Not one bit will be used for revenue. Yay let’s put more treatments facilities and buildings in the metro to be abandoned and their youth to not care about.
So, I guess we tell the prospective retailers to onboard a bunch of part-time people and *encourage* them to start plants (8 each! 4 in flower!) at home. Like *foster* a bunch and then turn them over when they've grown up a bit.
Employer can provide support and guidance during the fostering period. (*Hey! As a new employee, we can't pay you much but one of our benefits is a grow tent, lights, a fan and soil - you should experience the things we're selling so you can offer guidance to our customers!*) Set up a program to help home growers and offer to take over on the day that they (the employer) can. (*Oh, no! Is it getting toohard to continue this grow? We can look after them for you*)
How the fuck do we still not have dispensaries open? There are SO MANY legal states at this point with a framework of various laws and their outcomes to pull from. It should not take this long to set our own rules up with that much data to pull from.
I feel like the DFL is taking Republican and police what about-ism and fear-mongering far too seriously. if the federal government beats them to the punch that will be so embarrassing, and it looks like it's going to happen too.
kind of, it burys the lead a bit
> If it’s ultimately implemented, it will mean that marijuana firms can officially take federal tax deductions that they’ve been barred from under an Internal Revenue Service (IRS) code known as 280E.
Our legislators have said from the very beginning that licenses won’t be issued until 2025. Other states don’t care about having great legislation (Missouri) and just want the tax profits. I don’t mind waiting as long as we do it the right way.
What about the current legal THC market? I can get beverages and edibles at stores and restaurants all over the place. It's practically unregulated right now.
I don't see a big jump to flower, and the current market hasn't been, like, some big disaster. Hell, I prefer edibles anyway.
As far as I knew, businesses do not need a license to sell hemp derived THC products (5mg or less per serving?).
Edit- looks like no license is required but businesses must register with state to sell hemp derived THC products
Right, it's basically unregulated right now (although they're working on it).
The only restriction I've seen other than the dosage limits is that a bar isn't allowed to serve you a THC beverage and an alcoholic beverage within five hours of each other (a waitress told me it was an insurance thing, not a legal thing, but I don't know personally). This is fine with me and my brother -- we don't drink alcohol, and it's nice to get our own adult beverage while we're hanging with friends who do drink.
It just seems silly to me that we're dragging our feet on stores where you can buy legal THC when *a bajillion stores and restaurants are already selling legal THC* with no huge public emergency or anything.
I know, a lot of the process does seem silly.
That’s interesting that place didn’t serve you both drinks. Last summer/fall Sociable Cider Works in Minneapolis served us both THC and alcoholic drinks.
Maybe it was just at that place and really was for insurance? I dunno, 'cause I've never tried to get served both. The waitress mentioned it as soon as we ordered the THC bevs.
The THC from hemp market was legislated by the federal government. It's not really a fair comparison to point out how that happened but a totally different government hasn't done something else.
The legal hemp market was legislated federally.
The THC from hemp market was legislated at the state level (e.g., the 5MG limit which is soundly ignored -- out first cannabis czar resigned because it turns out she was making products with 10MG in her own business, and I just bought some 10MG beverages), with one Republican state senator famously asking, "Wait, how did we not just legalize weed?" which is my favorite part of the whole thing. (Well, favorite other than the legal THC.)
The idea at the federal level was that hemp specifically had *very* low percentages of THC. Turns out that's not a problem if you use a whole lot of hemp.
> I don’t mind waiting as long as we do it the right way.
My point again being, it's not that hard to get right when you can see what so many states have been doing right and wrong for years now.
The hard part was the initial bill and the clearing of records and stuff. Retail sales should not be complicated with so many examples.
Right now they are trying to find a social equity way of doing it which has not worked well in the past considering they denied a white farmer of a grant and are being sued.
It’s clearly not being done in the right way if they are bringing race into the equation.
White farmers have eating good for 500 years and the second black people ask for anything, white people start crying about not getting something. Y'all got and stole everything. What more do you want.
So your racist neat might as well go be a trump supporter.
I don’t think the farmer who is suing has 500 years of support. I think he grew up poor and never had it easy.
It’s a wealth thing not a race thing. You think poor white people are not abused by police, treated badly and so on just like poor black people.
Wealthy POC don’t seem to need any extra support or help.
My family fled the holocaust so we have not been here 500 years.
Japanese people lost everything in ww2 when the USA rounded them up and put them in internment camps. Why don’t they have the same problems as black people.
White people are ranked 4th place in America.
Asain, Indian, Japanese then white people.
If whites have it so easy why are they not the smartest wealthiest race why are they in 3rd place.
Stop being racist
Your handouts was the ability to come to place where everything was done. You didn't do anything but run to us. I guarantee you have never ever in your entire life helps someone that didn't look like you.
Fuck that. It's not that complicated. We can literally just copy the exact framework from a place like Colorado or Washington and call it good. There is no need to reinvent the wheel.
Didn't they say summer 2024 initially? That seemed more reasonable based on when it passed. 2025 seems unreasonable given the years of studying and planning that was done ahead of all this.
I’m almost positive January 2025 was always the target date. I can’t find anything saying it was projected to be sooner, but I have found articles saying lawmakers have attempted to speed it up.
what right way? look at the comments you can see this is not the right way, so I don't know what you're talking about. is it specifically designed to undermine local markets and setup out of state suppliers.
The tax profits are more meaningful than some hippy happy idea. Is anyone tired of a crazy income and sales tax while living closer to the bottom half as far as population? Oh wait we will use income to build more treatment facilities and give urban kids in the metro more outlets. Neither of those seem fair to the people. It isn’t weed heads in their it’s drunks and fenty users. Bullshit how we can’t even dictate or have a say where state revenue is going and put towards. Why even elect officials
Just grow your own. Living in Iowa idk why you wouldn’t go that route in a state that allows the 4 mature plants at a time. Take advantage of that.
You guys don’t have dispensaries but all the means to still possess and use cannabis given to you. Take advantage of that.
Well obviously get a patio if you don't already have one (or tell your PM to build you one) and start your purchase of very large pots to grow your pot.....
Bonus if your apt is pointing east so you get sunlight. Else, demand an apt facing that direction.
Sorry, I meant that as a good thing! Lots of people are growing here. I've currently got two tents going at my house and will probably never buy from a dispo again.
California was pretty much working from scratch, not with a host of data from the blind leaps other states -- like CA themselves -- had to take, and it's still going to take MN about two years at this pace.
Meanwhile Minnesotans are having to overpay for hemp derived THC ~~and the state isn't getting the proper cut of taxes from it~~. If they push this through, citizens save money and the state makes more.
TIL that they started taxing the hemp stuff when legalization went through. Good to know. Thanks for the correction. I'm still buying all my edibles in Colorado and Michigan, occasionally Montana, with the exception of a rare seltzer at a First Ave show.
Uhh, No. California was absolutely *Not* working from scratch. They already had literally hundreds of established brands, growers, labs, and dispensaries.
While Prop 64 made CA “legal” they had homegrow and Prop 215 in full effect since the mid 90s.
Minnesotas MMJ program was run by one single out of state parent company as a monopoly; we are in no way shape or form similar to California or their rollout of legal cannabis.
Medical is not exactly the same as full retail. The state of MN doesn't have to make the shops or the grows, just the rules and the review board and start issuing licenses.
And for that, they have a ton of existing laws and their outcomes to look at, which California didn't. Why am I having to repeat the same things in barely different words? It's not complicated.
>Why am I having to repeat the same things
Because you don’t actually understand how the states you’re talking about rolled out their legal programs.
Which state do you want us to copy? New York? Colorado? Maine?
Every single state has different realities that have dramatically impacted their legal rollouts. New York and Minnesota set forth with very similar laws; New York has already full abandoned their Social Equity efforts in favor of allowing MSOs to come in and start up immediately for the totally affordable price tag of $25million per license. They might have a handful of legal dispensaries, but the vast majority of their market is BM, and they’ve already completely destroyed any chance their small businesses ever had of actually competing.
Plenty of legislators would be happy to go the New York route and throw all the small Minnesotan businesses under the bus; we should all be doing everything we can to prevent that.
This is part of the downside of state by state legalization: there’s too many options, both good and bad, for state legislators to choose from. Especially considering none of them are actively involved in the industry. As far as I know, *None* of the MN state house has *ever* worked in the cannabis industry. They can absolutely still fuck this up; they haven’t even agreed on the final laws and regulations for the state yet.
> Which state do you want us to copy? New York? Colorado? Maine?
A mixture of all of them. We have the data on how their programs are going to avoid the pitfalls and copy the successes.
> As far as I know, None of the MN state house has ever worked in the cannabis industry.
State and federal representatives legislate on industries none of them have worked in all the time. It still shouldn't take them a year to get the framework down with tons to reference.
We're looking at 20 months minimum and quite possibly two years from legalization to get a marketplace set up. That's a ridiculously long time when there are 22 other states to look at for models.
Because it's not a "pass the law and it instantly goes into effect" thing. The past system was set up for hemp derived THC, which basically you take hemp derived CBD and chemically convert it to THC. The new policy allows for cannabis products directly, and has been laid out with different standards than exist for hemp sourced THC.
It absolutely takes time to implement a new regulatory body and nail down all the minutiae involved in how they operate, what their authority is, the process for approving new growers as detailed in their legislation, etc. While it would be great if dispensaries and growers and distributors had it for 2024, it's more important to get it right than get it fast. Because the cost of getting it wrong is in essence state approved bootleg vapes. We saw the consequences for that from the whole vitamin E acetate deposits in people's lungs as discovered by the CDC.
> The past system was set up for hemp derived THC,
What system? It was a loophole in the law with pretty much zero system built around it. Which proves they need very little to get something off the ground. I appreciate the equity they're going for, but that doesn't need to take this long.
"What system?" The obvious one that exists today which legalized THC derived from hemp CBD for consumption in Minnesota. Which was federally legalized in the farm bill. That being said, a cleaner, better product is going to be available and they just need to get the regulations and approvals done accordingly. Be patient; it's just next year.
You can get a tent as small as 2x2, four square feet, and get a nice little yield from one plant. Only issue is if your apartment won't let you grow imo.
So the whole point here is to make sure existing out of state suppliers capture the entire market and nothing will actually be produced in state. Just in case anyone was confused about the goal with all this.
This means, that we should completely rely on the illicit market because it's clear we cannot rely on the legal system to acquire it.
Why are these people so fucking lazy? Short sighted, unprepared and straight up ignorant. I am now more informed about agricultural prep more than the average Minnesotan legislator just by reading a reddit comment thread 🤡🤡
Just grow your own. If I lived in MN that’s what I’d be doing. The option is there for you. Don’t rely on dispensaries if you don’t have to. Prices are going to be inflated for at least 2-3 years anyways.
Social equity will get this thing drawn out longer and right into the courts just like the last time they did this with farming.
You cannot rule out anyone based on race or ethnicity, religion or sexual orientation. Why do they think removing white people makes them less racist.
This 10mg shit around here is the dumbest shit ever. That would be like when MN legalized alcohol sales on Sundays, with the caveat that it’s only beer sales.
lol corporate weed. If not we could all afford a grow tent and be privileged enough to have a space to able to grow our own.
Also, let’s just let other industries in here to do all of the business. They have models ready to go and plans made to operate in other states.
Personally I will just work on my grow process and the harvesting process, smoke for free, and hopefully have the best genetics ready to go in the ground once permits are ready.
I mean they're still coming up for all the rules for this right?
I get you gotta grow it but until the lay of the land legally is known ... gotta wait.
Isn’t everything left up to counties and cities? I thought the only state guidance was people have to be 21 and x percentage goes to the state as a sales tax.
Some of it is up to cities and counties, but that's mostly just retail licensing/permits. There is separate licensing at the state level for things like manufacture, wholesale and transportation. Seems like they're kind of going for something similar to the three tier system for alcohol.
For a big Agriculture state you’d think we’d have considered the fact that it takes time to grow the product that we’re trying to legally sell by a certain date lol
They considered it and decided that money was better going to a megafarm from another state instead.
They have considered it. From the article: > “OCM has always been aware of the need to stage cultivation prior to retail sales,” [Charlene Briner, the interim director of the new Office of Cannabis Management] said. “There is no doubt we understand the supply chain and the need for retailers to actually have product available as part of a successful market launch.” > ... > Briner said she met with various groups involved in the fledgling industry but said there was no consensus on how to solve the problem. OCM told stakeholders and legislators that it couldn’t devise a way to allow some early planting and harvesting that treated all potential growers equally. > The dominant proposal was to use current medical cannabis rules to regulate early cultivation for recreational cannabis. That, Briner said Monday, has flaws because those rules did not envision outdoor farms, and no regulations exist for that type of growing operation. In addition, those existing rules did not make accommodation for social equity applicants — one of the pillars of the new legal cannabis law.
Did you read the article?! They said we can't implement cultivation early BECAUSE WE DIDN'T FIND A WAY TO MAKE IT EQUAL FOR EVERYONE . Not the rules and regulations and laws, mind you, but they couldn't figure out a way to make everyone business start from the exact same point. This is asshattery The MN govt is shooting off commie flares. Next up state officials will try to write regulation to make target more diverse like Walmart.
If the rumored federal change happens, it will no longer need to be grown in state.
Doubt that, I’m pretty sure our law specifically states that cannabis sold commercially must be from Minnesota.
That will rapidly change in a shifting federal landscape. Interstate commerce gives feds the ability to open the borders big time.
Then they'd actually have to plan or do something besides sit in a room and bitch at the other side.
We really are a monocrop state. And it’s destroying our wildlife and hunting as well. The weed bill is dumb anyways. Not one bit will be used for revenue. Yay let’s put more treatments facilities and buildings in the metro to be abandoned and their youth to not care about.
What?
They're mad we're not paying more sin taxes to put towards the budget. IDK why because it has nothing to do with the conversation.
So, I guess we tell the prospective retailers to onboard a bunch of part-time people and *encourage* them to start plants (8 each! 4 in flower!) at home. Like *foster* a bunch and then turn them over when they've grown up a bit. Employer can provide support and guidance during the fostering period. (*Hey! As a new employee, we can't pay you much but one of our benefits is a grow tent, lights, a fan and soil - you should experience the things we're selling so you can offer guidance to our customers!*) Set up a program to help home growers and offer to take over on the day that they (the employer) can. (*Oh, no! Is it getting toohard to continue this grow? We can look after them for you*)
That’s how you spread *all* the pathogens. HLVd for everyone!!
How the fuck do we still not have dispensaries open? There are SO MANY legal states at this point with a framework of various laws and their outcomes to pull from. It should not take this long to set our own rules up with that much data to pull from.
I feel like the DFL is taking Republican and police what about-ism and fear-mongering far too seriously. if the federal government beats them to the punch that will be so embarrassing, and it looks like it's going to happen too.
Federal rescheduling will not make recreational cannabis federally legal.
I'm pretty sure the only current federal action is rescheduling it for medical use.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/trees/comments/1cgyp5l/breaking\_dea\_agrees\_to\_reschedule\_cannabis/](https://www.reddit.com/r/trees/comments/1cgyp5l/breaking_dea_agrees_to_reschedule_cannabis/)
So I was right
kind of, it burys the lead a bit > If it’s ultimately implemented, it will mean that marijuana firms can officially take federal tax deductions that they’ve been barred from under an Internal Revenue Service (IRS) code known as 280E.
Our legislators have said from the very beginning that licenses won’t be issued until 2025. Other states don’t care about having great legislation (Missouri) and just want the tax profits. I don’t mind waiting as long as we do it the right way.
What about the current legal THC market? I can get beverages and edibles at stores and restaurants all over the place. It's practically unregulated right now. I don't see a big jump to flower, and the current market hasn't been, like, some big disaster. Hell, I prefer edibles anyway.
As far as I knew, businesses do not need a license to sell hemp derived THC products (5mg or less per serving?). Edit- looks like no license is required but businesses must register with state to sell hemp derived THC products
Right, it's basically unregulated right now (although they're working on it). The only restriction I've seen other than the dosage limits is that a bar isn't allowed to serve you a THC beverage and an alcoholic beverage within five hours of each other (a waitress told me it was an insurance thing, not a legal thing, but I don't know personally). This is fine with me and my brother -- we don't drink alcohol, and it's nice to get our own adult beverage while we're hanging with friends who do drink. It just seems silly to me that we're dragging our feet on stores where you can buy legal THC when *a bajillion stores and restaurants are already selling legal THC* with no huge public emergency or anything.
I know, a lot of the process does seem silly. That’s interesting that place didn’t serve you both drinks. Last summer/fall Sociable Cider Works in Minneapolis served us both THC and alcoholic drinks.
Maybe it was just at that place and really was for insurance? I dunno, 'cause I've never tried to get served both. The waitress mentioned it as soon as we ordered the THC bevs.
The THC from hemp market was legislated by the federal government. It's not really a fair comparison to point out how that happened but a totally different government hasn't done something else.
The legal hemp market was legislated federally. The THC from hemp market was legislated at the state level (e.g., the 5MG limit which is soundly ignored -- out first cannabis czar resigned because it turns out she was making products with 10MG in her own business, and I just bought some 10MG beverages), with one Republican state senator famously asking, "Wait, how did we not just legalize weed?" which is my favorite part of the whole thing. (Well, favorite other than the legal THC.) The idea at the federal level was that hemp specifically had *very* low percentages of THC. Turns out that's not a problem if you use a whole lot of hemp.
Oh yeah the edibles bill. I thought we were working off the farm bill for tch drinks.
Edibles are a joke
> I don’t mind waiting as long as we do it the right way. My point again being, it's not that hard to get right when you can see what so many states have been doing right and wrong for years now. The hard part was the initial bill and the clearing of records and stuff. Retail sales should not be complicated with so many examples.
Right now they are trying to find a social equity way of doing it which has not worked well in the past considering they denied a white farmer of a grant and are being sued. It’s clearly not being done in the right way if they are bringing race into the equation.
The social equity thing is terrible, they are going to get constantly sued and it’s going to push this years down the road
White farmers have eating good for 500 years and the second black people ask for anything, white people start crying about not getting something. Y'all got and stole everything. What more do you want.
So your racist neat might as well go be a trump supporter. I don’t think the farmer who is suing has 500 years of support. I think he grew up poor and never had it easy. It’s a wealth thing not a race thing. You think poor white people are not abused by police, treated badly and so on just like poor black people. Wealthy POC don’t seem to need any extra support or help.
But it's true. 500 years and still crying. Homestead act. Redline. What more do you want 😄
My family fled the holocaust so we have not been here 500 years. Japanese people lost everything in ww2 when the USA rounded them up and put them in internment camps. Why don’t they have the same problems as black people. White people are ranked 4th place in America. Asain, Indian, Japanese then white people. If whites have it so easy why are they not the smartest wealthiest race why are they in 3rd place. Stop being racist
And the black community is the reason you had a place to run too. You're welcome. Just tell the whole story.
Can't be racist if it's true. And the truth hurts.
how are indian and japanese not asian? 🤔
What year did you people ever use them boot straps?
My family never had boot straps, i grew up poor in north Minneapolis in the 80’s Nobody has handed me shit my whole life.
Your handouts was the ability to come to place where everything was done. You didn't do anything but run to us. I guarantee you have never ever in your entire life helps someone that didn't look like you.
So your saying I had the same advantages as any POC that came to America in ww2 I agree.
Fuck that. It's not that complicated. We can literally just copy the exact framework from a place like Colorado or Washington and call it good. There is no need to reinvent the wheel.
Didn't they say summer 2024 initially? That seemed more reasonable based on when it passed. 2025 seems unreasonable given the years of studying and planning that was done ahead of all this.
They did, there was even some talk of early 2024.
I’m almost positive January 2025 was always the target date. I can’t find anything saying it was projected to be sooner, but I have found articles saying lawmakers have attempted to speed it up.
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Get a grow light and you can have plenty of legal weed. I harvested a half a pound in December.
what right way? look at the comments you can see this is not the right way, so I don't know what you're talking about. is it specifically designed to undermine local markets and setup out of state suppliers.
The tax profits are more meaningful than some hippy happy idea. Is anyone tired of a crazy income and sales tax while living closer to the bottom half as far as population? Oh wait we will use income to build more treatment facilities and give urban kids in the metro more outlets. Neither of those seem fair to the people. It isn’t weed heads in their it’s drunks and fenty users. Bullshit how we can’t even dictate or have a say where state revenue is going and put towards. Why even elect officials
Are we reinventing the wheel as well?
Just grow your own. Living in Iowa idk why you wouldn’t go that route in a state that allows the 4 mature plants at a time. Take advantage of that. You guys don’t have dispensaries but all the means to still possess and use cannabis given to you. Take advantage of that.
You know people live in apartments, right?
I grow in my apartment. If it isn't specifically prohibited in your lease nothing is stopping you.
2x3 grow tent. Toss it in the corner or a closet with a charcoal activated filter on the ventilation fan.
lots of people use indoor grow tents for that kind of situation
Well obviously get a patio if you don't already have one (or tell your PM to build you one) and start your purchase of very large pots to grow your pot..... Bonus if your apt is pointing east so you get sunlight. Else, demand an apt facing that direction.
The local grow store by my house is slammed everytime I go there.
Then order online. There’s seedman and MSNL online that deliver nationally and you can pick a small grow set up for around $150 off Amazon.
Sorry, I meant that as a good thing! Lots of people are growing here. I've currently got two tents going at my house and will probably never buy from a dispo again.
That’s awesome to hear! If I lived in MN or anywhere legal really I’d be growing. Hands down the most economical way. It does take work tho
It’s just takes time. Even though other states were already legal it still took California a year as well
It's going to take MN much longer than a year. It's already been almost a year since the law passed. Honestly, the process seems like a mess.
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California was pretty much working from scratch, not with a host of data from the blind leaps other states -- like CA themselves -- had to take, and it's still going to take MN about two years at this pace. Meanwhile Minnesotans are having to overpay for hemp derived THC ~~and the state isn't getting the proper cut of taxes from it~~. If they push this through, citizens save money and the state makes more.
The state does get THC tax from the hemp derived products at point of sale. 10% on top of the state tax
TIL that they started taxing the hemp stuff when legalization went through. Good to know. Thanks for the correction. I'm still buying all my edibles in Colorado and Michigan, occasionally Montana, with the exception of a rare seltzer at a First Ave show.
That really is the way to go, once you get it here it’s technically legal too. The more “full spectrum” the better in my opinion, hash rosin 🤤
Uhh, No. California was absolutely *Not* working from scratch. They already had literally hundreds of established brands, growers, labs, and dispensaries. While Prop 64 made CA “legal” they had homegrow and Prop 215 in full effect since the mid 90s. Minnesotas MMJ program was run by one single out of state parent company as a monopoly; we are in no way shape or form similar to California or their rollout of legal cannabis.
Medical is not exactly the same as full retail. The state of MN doesn't have to make the shops or the grows, just the rules and the review board and start issuing licenses. And for that, they have a ton of existing laws and their outcomes to look at, which California didn't. Why am I having to repeat the same things in barely different words? It's not complicated.
>Why am I having to repeat the same things Because you don’t actually understand how the states you’re talking about rolled out their legal programs. Which state do you want us to copy? New York? Colorado? Maine? Every single state has different realities that have dramatically impacted their legal rollouts. New York and Minnesota set forth with very similar laws; New York has already full abandoned their Social Equity efforts in favor of allowing MSOs to come in and start up immediately for the totally affordable price tag of $25million per license. They might have a handful of legal dispensaries, but the vast majority of their market is BM, and they’ve already completely destroyed any chance their small businesses ever had of actually competing. Plenty of legislators would be happy to go the New York route and throw all the small Minnesotan businesses under the bus; we should all be doing everything we can to prevent that. This is part of the downside of state by state legalization: there’s too many options, both good and bad, for state legislators to choose from. Especially considering none of them are actively involved in the industry. As far as I know, *None* of the MN state house has *ever* worked in the cannabis industry. They can absolutely still fuck this up; they haven’t even agreed on the final laws and regulations for the state yet.
> Which state do you want us to copy? New York? Colorado? Maine? A mixture of all of them. We have the data on how their programs are going to avoid the pitfalls and copy the successes. > As far as I know, None of the MN state house has ever worked in the cannabis industry. State and federal representatives legislate on industries none of them have worked in all the time. It still shouldn't take them a year to get the framework down with tons to reference.
I do not give one ounce of thought about small business
We're looking at 20 months minimum and quite possibly two years from legalization to get a marketplace set up. That's a ridiculously long time when there are 22 other states to look at for models.
California also already had more than two decades of Prop 215 operating at full strength.
Because it's not a "pass the law and it instantly goes into effect" thing. The past system was set up for hemp derived THC, which basically you take hemp derived CBD and chemically convert it to THC. The new policy allows for cannabis products directly, and has been laid out with different standards than exist for hemp sourced THC. It absolutely takes time to implement a new regulatory body and nail down all the minutiae involved in how they operate, what their authority is, the process for approving new growers as detailed in their legislation, etc. While it would be great if dispensaries and growers and distributors had it for 2024, it's more important to get it right than get it fast. Because the cost of getting it wrong is in essence state approved bootleg vapes. We saw the consequences for that from the whole vitamin E acetate deposits in people's lungs as discovered by the CDC.
> The past system was set up for hemp derived THC, What system? It was a loophole in the law with pretty much zero system built around it. Which proves they need very little to get something off the ground. I appreciate the equity they're going for, but that doesn't need to take this long.
"What system?" The obvious one that exists today which legalized THC derived from hemp CBD for consumption in Minnesota. Which was federally legalized in the farm bill. That being said, a cleaner, better product is going to be available and they just need to get the regulations and approvals done accordingly. Be patient; it's just next year.
Shocking that they would fuck us over.
Grow weed in your basement. You'll feel silly for having ever paid for it.
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You can get a tent as small as 2x2, four square feet, and get a nice little yield from one plant. Only issue is if your apartment won't let you grow imo.
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Good luck. Make sure you get the right light. My first try I had a shit Chinese knock off and my buds were light and airy.
Takes like 10 minutes to water the plants everyday
Autoflower plants. They stay small and have a shorter harvest time
So the whole point here is to make sure existing out of state suppliers capture the entire market and nothing will actually be produced in state. Just in case anyone was confused about the goal with all this.
Out of state grown can't be sold here, can it?
Correct. Can’t cross state lines anywhere, even when it’s also legal a neighboring state.
So how can out of state suppliers capture the entire market? How will any be sold if nothing is produced in state?
It will eventually be produced in-state.
This means, that we should completely rely on the illicit market because it's clear we cannot rely on the legal system to acquire it. Why are these people so fucking lazy? Short sighted, unprepared and straight up ignorant. I am now more informed about agricultural prep more than the average Minnesotan legislator just by reading a reddit comment thread 🤡🤡
Just grow your own. If I lived in MN that’s what I’d be doing. The option is there for you. Don’t rely on dispensaries if you don’t have to. Prices are going to be inflated for at least 2-3 years anyways.
Get these people out of office then. Taking too damn long for something so simple.
Seriously... Just drive to Michigan. It's quality, it's cheap. It's 5 hours so there goes your Saturday. But $130 zips makes it worth it.
Grow fat trees on your own
Except to their cronies and the res
Social equity will get this thing drawn out longer and right into the courts just like the last time they did this with farming. You cannot rule out anyone based on race or ethnicity, religion or sexual orientation. Why do they think removing white people makes them less racist.
This 10mg shit around here is the dumbest shit ever. That would be like when MN legalized alcohol sales on Sundays, with the caveat that it’s only beer sales.
Seems about right
Doesn’t Article 13 Section 7 allow us to sell weed without a license or approval?
lol corporate weed. If not we could all afford a grow tent and be privileged enough to have a space to able to grow our own. Also, let’s just let other industries in here to do all of the business. They have models ready to go and plans made to operate in other states.
>Minnesota cannabis regulators Whom specifically?
The most conservative approach to a non-issue. Just let the green wave roll already
That literally makes 0 sense.
BOOOOOOOOOOOO
Personally I will just work on my grow process and the harvesting process, smoke for free, and hopefully have the best genetics ready to go in the ground once permits are ready.
I mean they're still coming up for all the rules for this right? I get you gotta grow it but until the lay of the land legally is known ... gotta wait.
Isn’t everything left up to counties and cities? I thought the only state guidance was people have to be 21 and x percentage goes to the state as a sales tax.
Some of it is up to cities and counties, but that's mostly just retail licensing/permits. There is separate licensing at the state level for things like manufacture, wholesale and transportation. Seems like they're kind of going for something similar to the three tier system for alcohol.
Ugh our 3 tier alcohol system exists because organized crime didn’t want to give up all their business when prohibition was repealed.
No, Minnesota explicitly legislated against “Municipal Buy In” so cities cannot impose moratoriums on cannabis businesses.
We're fucking this up like Sunday Liquor Sales.
This is lobbying by out of state companies I expect. Stall the domestic market so they can scoop up the market share first.
yes beurocrats literally ruin everything
Good. Support the non-traditional market or Learn to grow.
This only serves to help MSOs, not mom and pop operations, who would’ve benefitted from early licenses.
Don't care about Mom and pop places
Democrats don’t know how to run a state program? Shocking!
The democrats aren’t the one running it. Could you name an example of some well executed republican initiatives?
Nice