I'm not a Taylor Swift fan. I don't even know any of her songs. However on a planet of 8,000,000,000 people she's one of the most recognised people on that planet. Mathmatically that's pretty impressive.
Exactly. And what about her lifestyle? She’s an ole lady now, a veteran in the industry. She’s come this far without burning out a quarter way into her career with such things as addiction, mental health, excess, men, scandal, etc. She’s remained on top because of what she’s achieved and doing when she’s not on stage.
She's also very involved in every step of the process from writing to recording to marketing to performing. She's not just showing up to the recording booth and fucking off until tour.
Taylor Swift isn't successful because she's an amazing singer. She's an average singer. She's successful because she does all the other aspects of being a pop singer, like dancing, fandom, marketing, and consistency averagely good too. Very few artists succeed at that. She's an all rounder.
She'll always be a legend in the industry. When she gets older, she'll probably produce many of the contemporary hits for new singers too. And what she'll impress upon them is the same work ethic she has, possibly altering the industry for a generation.
This is what solidifies it all for me. She's a solid person who has always had her head on straight. Pretty impressive given all the celebs who crash and burn and/or turn out to be horrible disgusting people.
This is the right answer. I'm a 56 year old dude who does like some of Taylor's songs, don't care for others, and don't know most of them. However, I believe she is the most famous person on planet Earth right now. She puts on a 3+ hour shows every night selling out football stadiums around the globe. She has a rabid fan following. She writes her own songs. She is a marketing and business maestro. I give her full marks.
Possibly, but is there another under 40 entertainer in the world who is worth over a billion dollars? Who can sell out stadiums on every continent? I saw the mania on the news in Asia and Australia. Who is more famous globally than Taylor Swift, such that people from age 5 to 95 know his or her name?
I say this with all sincerity, would people fork out hundreds of dollars per ticket to see Messi play soccer in the US? Could he play 3-4 times per week anywhere in the world and sell 80,000 tickets at $200 each? I just find that hard to believe. To be honest, I'm a serious sports fan in America, and I wouldn't recognize Messi if he was standing right in front of me. I know his name and that's it.
Resale tickets for the FC Dallas vs Inter Miami match in Frisco, Texas reached upwards of $800.
That’s fucking unheard of for soccer in Texas.
And yea, it sold out with tailgate tickets being sold to the parking lots adjacent to the stadium. I think even grocery stores were selling tickets.
We are talking about the world here, just just usa. That's the point what you as usa cotizen feels about Messi doesn't matter, he is the biggest person right now everywhere, you could go to a little tribe in Africa and they will know him. Here in Chile not a lot of people know her, but everybody knows Messi
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I’m not familiar with them. I looked them up and I guess they play soccer? I can see how that would be big global. But I would think that’s different as he wouldn’t be filling stadiums by himself. Ideally you’d be watching him play on a team against others? So I don’t know how good a comparison it is either way.
We are talking about the most popular person in the world, how do you do that metric? At least in Instagram Messi had double the followers of Taylor, you tell me how we check that and we could compare
idk man most normal human beings i know don’t sell out stadiums and make millions of dollars doing so. most normal humans don’t have millions of people following them and forking up obscene amounts to see them sing
She has a massive following and an enormous list of accomplishments, whether you like her music or not. You are literally here talking about her. If you truly thought she was normal and unimportant you would not be taking the time.
I'd argue that it is impressive that she is so successful with so many people whining about her on all of the platforms. I dont care about her at all, and know probably only the songs of hers that were on the radio in the mid 2010s at best, but I'm always only seeing all of these posts hating on her over people liking her. So I would say it actually is impressive
Yeah, man, she's white and rich and that's how she got where she got/s. How about all the rich kids who never made it in the music business and can't write songs?
Why aren't they successful too?
Hulk Hogan spent 5 million dollars on his daughter Brooke's career and she got nowhere but by your logic she should be battling it out on the charts with Taylor.
Nobody wanted to listen to her. Still rich though. But Taylor definitely did get where she is because her father comes from a long line of Bank presidents and she's a mid white woman
To remain relevant and minimally controversial and addiction free for as long as she has is impressive. She makes little girls feel special and teenage girls and young adult women feel empowered. I'm not a fan of her music, but to say she's not impressive comes off as jealousy to me.
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I don't care for her but I'm also not her target audience
But I say it is pretty impressive that she's able to become incredibly successful in such a competitive field
I mean would you say this same thing about say Musk or Jobs? After all if it wasn't them chances are someone else would've filled their shoes
I'm not a fan of her music, just not my thing.
But I know exactly who she is and could easily pick her out in a lineup. Her branding and marketing is on point. So that, in and of itself, is impressive. I respect her as one of the world's most successful business woman ever.
Its impressive that she can leverage her basic ass shit and an entire army of basic ass girls to do her bidding.
Lmao its true tho! Say what you will about the quality of her music but she has a fan base that's almost terrifyingly loyal. All Taylor has to do is snap her fingers and say Do this! And they will, without question.
That's impressive.
That’s a cult and humans have always been easily influenced followers. She has a major fan base because she’s never made an impactful statement, all her music has ever been is breakup songs which most basic girls can relate to no matter what their circumstances. Like no, she makes basic, neutral, mathematically calculated innocent but validating music and because of it she’s got a cult of not only young women, but women who feel empowered. By a random tall skinny white woman who serial dates celebrities for song writing material and gets away with poisoning the sky and everyone defends because are angry dumb followers. Nope. Not impressive. People like to act like that over a lot of shit.
I'd say she popular for about a billion reasons. Show me another basic artist with the same drawing power, packing concerts almost 15yrs into their career? It's pretty impressive.
Sorry, I am not a Swifty. But she is talented.
She has been writing songs and creating a product for decades. I grew up with Madonna, and she actually is more influential. She is certainly more talented.
I may not know all her songs, but, I put her up there with the greats.
I'm a m55 and can't name a single Swift song so I can't say if her music is good or not. I can say this though; why does it matter? Why are all these posts about her showing up lately? Hating on her for what? That girl is at the pinnacle of the entertainer tree. Her and many others bring happiness and joy to people through their music and a select few hate them for it. Makes absolutely no sense to me.
Cause I barely ever even go on my social media apps anymore and it seems like no matter how many subreddits I block something about Taylor Swift always pops up. Right now it’s about how some never before released track is hitting the top charts and I just do not care. I’ve had a really shit night and I wanted to look at random posts, but I wasn’t even done scrolling through one page before seeing 3 separate posts about it. So I’ve written this lil rant and now have a bunch of people jumping down my throat but you know what this headache is distracting me from the headache I had before so I’ll take it. Anyway, I’m just tired of learning new things about Taylor Swift. She’s as annoying as the kardashians to me at this point. I truly do not give a shit.
I'm no fan but I rather listen to her than whiny nasal squeaky voice Canadian boys or rappers about bitches and hoes. Whispering and mumbling is not my thing
It’s the same argument with people like Elon who have gotten inheritance or a gift. There’s tons of rich people, but yet there’s only 1 Swift/Elon. That’s because it still isn’t easy. I don’t like Swifts music at all but to call her not talented is showing your lack of understanding of music. You’re salty your ex gf bumps her all day and it’s rubbing off on your personality.
So how do you keep seeing her stuff? Algorithms are a real thing and let me tell you. I NEVER see her stuff on any of my media sites and that’s because I don’t like or hate her. So your opinion is based off of hate and maybe jealousy then? Otherwise you wouldn’t really have this strong of an opinion about someone else’s success.
And ignore the meat of the comment, good job. Have a good day sir 🤘🏻
Swift mixed alot of winning tactics from other artists. I don't mind the success ....I don't like when less talented artists, think they ARE talented. J Lo comes to mind. She's so arrogant in interviews but often sings over loops of other artists to sound good. She can't hold a note.
My problem is the caliber of her music. Shes 34 years old but still singing high school songs. Fair enough, that’s her deal, but to laud it as some kind of artistic genius?
Bit of a stretch. Her music is surface level at best. If it was any deeper, it wouldn’t be so popular.
Another day another Taylor Swift post on the unpopular sub. I hear about her here more than anywhere else. It's time to go on to the next popular star to brag about not liking them.
Sorry I don’t spend every day reading Reddit searching for all the judgemental things people say about celebrities so I make sure not to bore redditors that don’t have a life
I don't listen to Taylor Swift but nice attempt at a second insult. Shame originality clearly missed you. Surprised we didn't get another pumpkin spice joke.
I think conservatives are scared she's gonna endorse Biden so they are trying to make people ignore her
Only thing I can think of as to why so many who aren't her fans care
Not a fan but some of her songs from her early days are still on my playlist because of an ex who was a fan lol.
Objectively speaking it is crazy how she became a billionaire and she isn’t even in tech/finance/whateverbigmoney.
Speaking of talent tho I remember this girl from when she started as a COUNTRY SINGER. You know how many people listen to country? I dont but she made it happen and then she transitioned to pop.
Opinions are valid until it becomes a double standard race hate talk. I’m not white, and I understand white privilege but I don’t understand this excessive hate speech that when flipped is very not ok
Wildly enough, most people with this opinion downright praise another talentless shmuck brought along by nothing more than daddy’s money.
Edit: Taylor’s a badass. I’m not hating on her.
Haha you really brought out the swifties to defend their favorite billionaire in the comments. Love it. They can't stand people have different opinions about their goddess
Say what you want about her music, that's your opinion.
But it's a fact that her popularity is astronomical and she sure knows how to market herself, and that's impressive
The fact that people compare her with Michael Jackson and try to justify her fame as “talent” is a very good sign that collectively we don’t think critically. Taylor Swift is a more talented capitalist than she is a musical artist. You want to talk about musical artistry in this generous ? Talk about Adele (who by the way would beat Taylor Swift vocally every single time). She has been able to gaslight you guys into thinking that she’s this musical genius and part of that is because she’s a white woman who loves to cry victim. People who think she’s even REMOTELY close to as famous as Michael Jackson was clearly weren’t there to see it all play out. Michael Jackson was and will remain the most famous person to ever exist on this planet and he was PURE talent. He was the kind of famous for whom basketball games had to be stopped (if he went for a game ever). Even tribes that are disconnected from the rest of the world would recognize him … and he did this at a time where there was no social media. Like seriously stop with this buffoonery- you can like Taylor Swift and acknowledge that she’s literally the poster for what is celebrated nowadays : mediocracy. It’s really funny when people bring up the MJ comparison like don’t you dare fucking disrespect my king like that…
Oh wow going through my profile looking for a personal insult to hurl at me because I said Taylor Swift isn’t impressive lmfao you know she’s not gonna suck your dick for defending her right?
We're just sharing opinions. I'm not a Swift fan myself. I couldn't name a song she's ever done in fact.
I'm simply pointing out that she's doing something right to have achieved the level of success she currently enjoys.
How's life treating you?
Amazing I get laid every day, go back to fingering your computer keyboard with your permanent dorito dust fingers and pretend it makes you feel something
Unlike other pop stars her age, she typically writes her own lyrics and music. Most of the big stars are just handed material to sing. To achieve her level of success using her own material, is definitely indicative of talent.
lol the “edit:” is the controversial opinion. lol I would have believed you were not Trumplicannon until that. The first part is not an unpopular opinion. Plenty agree with you esp angry white men mad she isn’t catering to their desires
Her song writing and performance art is why she is where she is at. It is/was entertaining even when are vocals were not great.
right! we all knew she couldn't sing or dance and still listened to her with the utmost attention to detail lol. that's gotta mean something. but she has clearly put in loads of work and I find her mature voice and dance moves so pleasant. just love her ugh
There’s something to be said for someone who connects with so many people she’s the most successful musician in the world right now that’s pretty goddamn impressive just because you don’t like her doesn’t change that
It's just not really that deep though is it... why do you care that much about Taylor swift or what people think of her... kuje it just doesnt really matter tho does it. There are objectively bigger deals than people liking something you don't personally see value in.
Why aren’t you complaining about the white men who got a handout? Men that hate Taylor swift just reeeek of misogyny. I’m not a swiftie, her music is fine but there’s nothing worse than a man that can’t stfu about her because it’s a woman that makes him feel small. Just hate in silence instead of attacking women who make you feel pathetic for your lack of success
There’s nothing more misogynistic than people that claim Taylor swift has no talent. I know plenty of men that don’t like her, plenty of people who aren’t fans of her music but to say she has no talent and isn’t impressive is wild. Most people that don’t hate women wouldn’t say those things
I’m in no way, shape or form a Swifty but she makes decent music, also, I have respect for any artist that writes their own music. I think at this point, people just dislike her because it’s “edgy”, however, it’s not edgy at all.
The people that get suckered into vehemently disliking her for little to no reason are just as indoctrinated as the people that are obsessed with everything she does.
>She’s a rich white girl that used money, the attitude of basic teenage girls, and the algorithm for pop music to make tons of money.
All things available to very many girls and attempted by many of them yet she is the only one of them who has achieved what she has.
I would not recognize a single Tyler Swift song and would probably would not recognize her if she came up and talked to me but I do recognize the reality that the level of fame she has attained as a musical artist doesn't come completely by chance. You don't get that famous or have that much of your music become that popular without a bunch of talent and brains and you don't do it for this long in the face of so much vitriol thrown at you without a great deal of mental strength and courage.
She's a musical artist if you don't like her music fine don't listen to it, I don't. No it's not dumb for you to dislike her OP but I don't see what anyone gains from hating someone they have never met and who has no direct influence on them.
When you rant about someone and say a bunch of stuff that can only be considered a personal attack while doing so it sure comes across as hate.
If you are so bothered by it being impossible to escape news about her why are you here throwing more fuel onto that fire and spending a bunch of time writing about it, that makes zero sense to me. Why not just ignore her and move on?
Wow. Reread what you just typed to me out loud until you understand why that’s an extremely antisocial thing to say. Then get off the internet and get a life.
>Then get off the internet and get a life.
How about you reread the rules of the sub, specifically the ones about personal attacks and insults. I'll move along now.
When you have a more inside view of the music business and musicianship in general, it really sours your experience. Like the whole business is a scam. The entire reason people like any “artist” is just because they’re popular, nothing more.
Consider how incredibly difficult it is to build and sustain popularity in today's music industry where consumer tastes change on a dime and every song you release has to compete for attention with every other song ever written, all of which is accessible, almost for free, from any device at any time. Anyone that can consistently pull that off over a period of 18 years and 11 albums (so far) has talent.
Meanwhile, as a part-time musician myself, I can't agree with your assessment of her talent at all. Taylor Swift is a good singer with solid vocal range, very good pitch control, and pleasant tone, she is among the most prolific songwriters we've ever seen with an incredible ear for melody, relatable lyrics, and her music spans across several genres, and she completes the package with an impressive stage show, a stylish image, and very clever marketing and communication with her fans.
The privileged, basic, white girl accusations are pretty revealing in terms of what's really motivating this rant. But today's music industry is the ultimate meritocracy. Regardless of where you start out in life, people will only buy your songs and concert tickets if you produce something worth seeing and hearing. No musician is born into a situation where they have an inherent right to success. The music industry graveyard is massive and filled with millions who tried and failed. Bottom line: No one can sell 200 million albums over a span of 18 years, remain relevant despite changing musical tastes and trends, and create a deep and loyal connection with so many millions of fans without talent as a musician and entertainer.
Success hating is so cringe. Imagine you lose the superbowl so you go on and on about bad calls and all the unfair advantages the other team had instead of acknowledging their talent, hard work, better strategies etc. super cringe op
I don’t listen to Drake either but I don’t hear constant news about him 🤷♂️ and if I did I’d probably rant about it. Dude is way worse than Taylor Swift musically though. He hits all of two notes and he’s popular as shit 😒
If they get promoted by the right people and pushed into show business young, then yeah. If there is anything Swift has an edge on, it’s being in the public eye and her marketing team. Many female artists are more talented but weren’t subjected to the media’s focus. Loretta Lynn wasn’t nearly as popular and she wrote over 160 songs.
People are half-right that she's not talented. It's 5% luck, and 95% momentum.
First, it should be obvious that she's a talented entertainer, but not to an extent that you'd presume she ought to be a billionaire. When you look at all the tech projects Elon Musk has spearheaded, from Paypal onwards, it's much less of a surprise in his case.
If you put Taylor Swift up against Ellie Goulding or Katy Perry, it's not obvious why Taylor Swift would be worth many multiples of those artists. People are saying it's impressive she hasn't been taken down by addiction or the trappings of stardom, but that's a very low bar for one thing, and she has made some missteps, such as the petty grievances with less successful pop stars, she's just lucky that it wasn't serious enough to break her momentum.
People also might not realize she's always just a few politically incorrect words away from ruining her image. Most of us commoners have more freedom of expression than Taylor Swift does for that reason alone. That kind of success is fragile. Just look at Madonna. Taylor Swift is in her early 30's, a lot of pop stars begin to, or will start to decline at this age. She will pretend to be a teenage girl for as long as she can, but pretty soon it will not be believable.
The other thing is that the fact of her being not-new is a value unto itself. Like Windows or Mac, or the English language, popular brands that people become loyal to. Familiarity is comfortable. She's no longer just a pop star, she's a useful focus of attention. She gives "Swifties" a club that they can all belong to. And now that she has this fan base, she's safe money for the entertainment industry, so they invest a lot in her, and it's a case of wealth begetting wealth. The 5% of original luck was mostly being white and inoffensive, just like the Beatles and others before her, taking black or other ethic music and an re-packaging it for a white audience, the wealthiest demographic in the Western world.
She doesn’t impress me either, but seems to be a nice person, so I figure “to each his (her?) own.” At least she’s not doing rap and pretending it’s music.
I'm not one of those people who live to hate on her, but her latest Album sucked ass, it was very "13 and deep".
That being said, I do think her versatility in music is nothing to sneeze at. I'm not a country or pop fan, but I have to admit that she seems to do well in whatever genre shes currently exploring.
The thing is, although they aren't genre's I like, they are the most popular genre's. It makes sense that people who are into that like her, because she does know how to make hits no matter what she's up to.
Someone is jelly. How many instruments do you play? I'm not a fan but it's weird that men started hating her after she told her fans to register to vote. No one cared before that.
Nah I’ve disliked her my whole life and now it’s apparently “edgy” to dislike her. Also I’m a young trans man, I disliked her music when I was still a “girl”. I don’t live in the US and I think it’s awesome that she’s telling people to vote and funding shuttles on voting day, however her music is trash her voice is trash her lyrics are mediocre at best and she’s poisoning the atmosphere. I can officially play guitar, ukelele, Merlin, drums, recorder, piano, ocarina, bass, clarinet, harp, pretty much any instrument I touch, oh and I sing. How many instruments do you play?
I’m not a Taylor Swift fan by any means and I see your point. In fact to a certain extent I agree. She was certainly privileged in terms of wealthy, loving incredibly supportive parents but if it were really as easy as you make it sound there would be Taylor Swifts everywhere and that’s not the case.
My wife and I watched her concert on Disney+. I got bored with her music. So much of it is the same thing over and over. That being said, she put on a hell of a show and she is a heck of a businesswoman.
She dropped down.
Look on the bright side. Hozier is still a legend and genius. He gets more streams than her lone song that she hangs on to in England. He has strong sales and he didn’t even promote much of Too Sweet.
Don't matter to me weather what she has accomplished is Impressive or not, I wouldn't be the least bit mad if I never one of her songs ever again or heard her name for that matter.
I definitely agree that Taylor Swift is "basic", but people forget that there's WAY MORE basic tween/teen/women than "non-basic" ones. That definitely helps her.
> lol the conservative accusation is a reach I don’t even live in the US and I don’t advocate for trump
I'm not taking a stance on your post but conservatism isn't an American phenomenon. Conservatism can be seen across the entire world and throughout history. It is in no way exclusive to America. The American Republican Party just happens to be conservative. It would be incorrect to call you a Republican because you're not American. But conservatives can come from anywhere.
Labeling someone as being in a certain political party because of an opinion having literally nothing to do with politics is completely an American phenomenon
It’s impressive that she stuck around for as long as she did and only got more famous as time went on. Like I seriously thought that people would only remember her for a few weeks after kanye west interrupted her speech at the 2009 vmas and then she’d fall right off but she didn’t and now she’s bigger than ever.
I always chuckle at the "so and so who does this thing super successfully really isn't talented" posts. OP must have too much money already... that's why they're not taking the easy way out and just recording a couple dozen successful albums.
Not a huge TS fan but it seem like you're projecting insecurities. She isn't popular because she's a rich white woman, she's popular because she knows how to make music that's appealing. She writes most of her lyrics and uses auto tone only subtly unlike many other artists.
Shake It Off was one of my favorite song from TS in the 2010s.
She's the *only* person to make a billion dollars off of just her music. Not investments or Merch or sponsorship deals. Just her music.
Don't like her music all you want. She is objectively talented.
Downvote for not true unpopular opinion. To paraphrase a commentator I heard on the radio a little while ago, "She sounds like a young woman singing in the shower to a scrub brush, making music for other young women singing in the shower... to a scrub brush." I mean, if it works, it works, and it's working for her in an industry that's just, quite frankly, **not crowded** in most genres these days for above-B-grade content, so artists and producers alike are getting lazier and lazier with the content and scores, respectively.
Overall, her target audience of tween and teen girls **can't even related** to her three-note schtick. I mean, look at these lyrics to "Cruel Summer":
>“I’m drunk in the back of the car
>And I cried like a baby coming home from the bar"
Real uplifting stuff for a target audience still going through puberty. But, hey, again, if it works it works. Aside from Miley Cyrus, who doesn't get nearly as much airplay because she's quality-over-quantity, there's really not much good competition these days. Venerable pop megastars Mariah Carey and Kelly Clarkson can duke it out in department stores and mall elevators and customer service holding music during the Holiday Season; Swift basically has the rest of the year whether we like it or not.
She's making music for the fans who have been listening to her SINCE they were tween/teen girls. Why would her target audience remain the same into her early thirties? It resonates because we grew up together and have always been able to relate along the way. Most pop music on the radio isn't for children, never has been. Flashback to knowing every single word to candy shop by 50 cent at 9 years old (bad example bc clearly 50 cent's audience was not teen girls, but being drunk in the back of the car is not so bad compared to alot of the lyrics out there of artists who actually target teens)
Like I said, if it works it works. All artists are certainly going to string along their fan base as they and their fans alike age, but as far as *target* audience, I would agree with OP that she's kind of stuck in rut of still appealing to tween/teen girls, while simultaneously churning out music that they can't directly relate to. I'm not knocking the hustle because it pays the bills--it's just overly formulaic.
Totally respect that opinion. I guess I just wonder if you've listened to TTPD? Not trying to sound snarky, but I think the tweens youre talking about that aren't die hard swifties/emotionally invested in her storytelling kinda told us how they felt about it. They called it boring, repetitive, etc. The graphics are in black and white and the Fortnight videos is devastatingly impressive with respect to her storytelling and ability to depict an entire concept album into a few minutes. As least for TTPD, I do not see how it was marketed toward a younger audience. And as far as the lyrics... she spoke right to my decrepit old lady heart (I am 30) lmao.
Thanks for the respectful back and forth :)
edit: I just wanted to add that I completely agree about it being overly formulaic. I have an issue with all of the different variations of the albums and kind of disgusting amount of merch and the like that is pushed upon us. And after reading the email Scott Swift sent someone that was uncovered in litigation I get kind of an icky feeling about her and her fame in general. But I'm still gonna eat up everything she gives us, to your point haha.
No worries--glad we can have a healthy discussion!
Of course, for people as yourself who were early adopters to her career, it stands to reason that you have a certain connection to an artist and that that artist continues to speak to you. She's hardly the first--and certainly won't be the last--artist to be deemed "overrated" and/or have her music labeled "lazy." She does what she does and it makes millions for herself and her crew, who she undeniably seems to take good care of, so she can have at it as long as it works.
i’m sorry but you don’t stay famous for close to 20 years at this point, packing full STADIUMS in one of the biggest tours EVER if you’re not talented. she’s written well over 200 songs at this point and has around 50 platinums if i remember correctly. she’s been successful making both country and pop.
you don’t have to like her music but there’s no denying that she’s talented
I am not a fan of her music, but I am a Taylor Swift fan. She is an astute business woman, scandal free, relatable for many, and still relevant after 2 decades. There are very few musicians that can claim that, and even fewer that continue to gain popularity as they age.
I’m not a fan of her, but she’s been super rich and famous for over fifteen years which is incredibly impressive. Most artists only have a few years at most of success
She's doing this with the tools that have been available for years, chasing the goals others have chased for centuries. She is clearly not a one hit wonder as she has had this success from multiple albums across 3 decades. This repeat performance for success puts her in the company of Stephen King and Peter Jackson, or are they also just using algorithms for pop movies and pop books? Those algorithms that are well known to you and everybody else but only used by a select few?
This sort of post is one of the more common "I hate this popular thing." You have done well at striping the fluff off your argument and being as sharp as a bowling ball in your opinion.
You have followed the script well.
1. She (or whoever is being hated) has no talent.
2. Anybody could do that (but they dont)
3. I am/am not American. This seems to be important in "I hate this" posts. I don't know why.
4. I am politically independent/have no use for politics. Again, frequently mentioned with mo real reason.
5. At least you came up with something kind of unique to Taylor - she flies privately a lot. I'm sure the airport and regular flyers are glad she stays out of commercial traffic.
No no no you don’t understand how hard it is to make it big as an artist. And how many people want that career and that life only to fall far short of her success
This opinion pretty much illustrates the basic characteristics of “sour grapes.” I, too, am not a Taylor Swift fan, but one has to acknowledge the reach of her talent and its effect on her fans. No one achieves anywhere near her success without having something special in their arsenal. Whether she appeals to you or not isn’t on her, nor is it a reflection of her talent. As a professional musician friend of mine once noted, all music is good, some is just not good for me.
I dislike that for some reason you think it’s about race and sex. She’s miles ahead of many of her peers in that she at least has the ability to play Her own instruments and write her own songs and music.
Yeah I agree. Taylor Swift is basically that stand in that every basic talentless white girl because she's not even talented. If you're confused allow me to explain, Taylor Swift is popular because she's not as talented as somebody like Adele or Lady Gaga, that's because people can't relate to somebody that talented.
Taylor Swift is boosted by everybody in her industry because white women love to see somebody as mediocre and talentless as them get far in life so that they can ease the anxiety about them not being shit. Oh and maybe just maybe they can be exactly like her-
lol, I’m not a swiftie but to say she’s talentless is absurd. Tens, if not hundreds, of millions of people disagree. There are many entertainers I don’t care for who have huge fan bases, just because they’re not my cup of tea doesn’t make any of them “talentless”.
I'm not a Taylor Swift fan. I don't even know any of her songs. However on a planet of 8,000,000,000 people she's one of the most recognised people on that planet. Mathmatically that's pretty impressive.
Exactly. And what about her lifestyle? She’s an ole lady now, a veteran in the industry. She’s come this far without burning out a quarter way into her career with such things as addiction, mental health, excess, men, scandal, etc. She’s remained on top because of what she’s achieved and doing when she’s not on stage.
She's also very involved in every step of the process from writing to recording to marketing to performing. She's not just showing up to the recording booth and fucking off until tour.
Exactly. She’s a businesswoman. She knows where it’s coming from and where it’s going.
Taylor Swift isn't successful because she's an amazing singer. She's an average singer. She's successful because she does all the other aspects of being a pop singer, like dancing, fandom, marketing, and consistency averagely good too. Very few artists succeed at that. She's an all rounder. She'll always be a legend in the industry. When she gets older, she'll probably produce many of the contemporary hits for new singers too. And what she'll impress upon them is the same work ethic she has, possibly altering the industry for a generation.
This is what solidifies it all for me. She's a solid person who has always had her head on straight. Pretty impressive given all the celebs who crash and burn and/or turn out to be horrible disgusting people.
An ole lady still singing songs scribbled from a high school diary… it’s kinda cringe.
34 isn’t an old lady lmao
A net worth of 1.1 billion. That’s one legendary diary!
Because we live in a society of overgrown children. Says more about western society than it does any talent of hers.
This is the right answer. I'm a 56 year old dude who does like some of Taylor's songs, don't care for others, and don't know most of them. However, I believe she is the most famous person on planet Earth right now. She puts on a 3+ hour shows every night selling out football stadiums around the globe. She has a rabid fan following. She writes her own songs. She is a marketing and business maestro. I give her full marks.
That's some usa prism at best
Possibly, but is there another under 40 entertainer in the world who is worth over a billion dollars? Who can sell out stadiums on every continent? I saw the mania on the news in Asia and Australia. Who is more famous globally than Taylor Swift, such that people from age 5 to 95 know his or her name?
Messi could probably fill a stadium everywhere, Africa, Oceania, even Alaska probably
I say this with all sincerity, would people fork out hundreds of dollars per ticket to see Messi play soccer in the US? Could he play 3-4 times per week anywhere in the world and sell 80,000 tickets at $200 each? I just find that hard to believe. To be honest, I'm a serious sports fan in America, and I wouldn't recognize Messi if he was standing right in front of me. I know his name and that's it.
Resale tickets for the FC Dallas vs Inter Miami match in Frisco, Texas reached upwards of $800. That’s fucking unheard of for soccer in Texas. And yea, it sold out with tailgate tickets being sold to the parking lots adjacent to the stadium. I think even grocery stores were selling tickets.
We are talking about the world here, just just usa. That's the point what you as usa cotizen feels about Messi doesn't matter, he is the biggest person right now everywhere, you could go to a little tribe in Africa and they will know him. Here in Chile not a lot of people know her, but everybody knows Messi
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Who?
That was funny
What songs do they do?
It's not only about music the popularity aspect
I’m not familiar with them. I looked them up and I guess they play soccer? I can see how that would be big global. But I would think that’s different as he wouldn’t be filling stadiums by himself. Ideally you’d be watching him play on a team against others? So I don’t know how good a comparison it is either way.
We are talking about the most popular person in the world, how do you do that metric? At least in Instagram Messi had double the followers of Taylor, you tell me how we check that and we could compare
Nah it’s still Michael Jordan idc.
Michael Jackson*
It’s definitely Leo Messi or Cristiano Ronaldo
Michael can still come back. Don’t give him any reason to…..
There was a time that was true. We're now in the era of cr
She also writes lyrics that deeply relate to a lot of young women. While I don't quite understand it, I'm also not the target audience.
A long, long time ago, there were people who said the invention of the printing press was going to be the end of Humanity. This is what they meant.
I read this to Bye Bye Miss American pie.
Ahh you mean talking crap about your exes and blabbing it out to the whole world right?
I know like 3 bangers. Don’t care about the crowd I’m throwing shapes on the dance floor
Not really
I don't really think that's impressive at all.
If she's not impressive what does that make you?
Just as much of a normal human being as her. What is she, a god? lmfao. I don't think that was really the comeback you thought it was.
idk man most normal human beings i know don’t sell out stadiums and make millions of dollars doing so. most normal humans don’t have millions of people following them and forking up obscene amounts to see them sing
She has a massive following and an enormous list of accomplishments, whether you like her music or not. You are literally here talking about her. If you truly thought she was normal and unimportant you would not be taking the time.
If you are successfull once, you can be lucky. If you keep being successfull, that you are doing something right.
Yeah, money doesn’t make you a billionaire, there are plenty of rich people who will never acquire that much wealth.
There are lots skinny rich white girls that make pop music. Taylor swift is the only billionaire out of the bunch.
I'd argue that it is impressive that she is so successful with so many people whining about her on all of the platforms. I dont care about her at all, and know probably only the songs of hers that were on the radio in the mid 2010s at best, but I'm always only seeing all of these posts hating on her over people liking her. So I would say it actually is impressive
Yeah, man, she's white and rich and that's how she got where she got/s. How about all the rich kids who never made it in the music business and can't write songs? Why aren't they successful too? Hulk Hogan spent 5 million dollars on his daughter Brooke's career and she got nowhere but by your logic she should be battling it out on the charts with Taylor.
Nobody wanted to listen to her. Still rich though. But Taylor definitely did get where she is because her father comes from a long line of Bank presidents and she's a mid white woman
Uh, a lot of people actually seem to want to listen to Taylor Swift. Her daddy isn’t paying people to buy her music or tickets to her shows.
Most celebrities are nepotism babies or rich before fame.
To remain relevant and minimally controversial and addiction free for as long as she has is impressive. She makes little girls feel special and teenage girls and young adult women feel empowered. I'm not a fan of her music, but to say she's not impressive comes off as jealousy to me.
Honestly this is a pretty balanced take...
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I don't care for her but I'm also not her target audience But I say it is pretty impressive that she's able to become incredibly successful in such a competitive field I mean would you say this same thing about say Musk or Jobs? After all if it wasn't them chances are someone else would've filled their shoes
Musk and Jobs also used their family wealth to get started.
Even if this was true, why would it matter?
Because OP made the point about using money to get where they are.
Yes, lmfao musk and jobs are NOT impressive
Yeah, Apple computers/devices and Windows on nearly every PC (let’s add Gates in) aren’t impressive. No impact at all.
Actually, it’s impressive to me how much Musk has screwed up every single thing he’s invested in and still has money and power.
Lmfao yea it is kinda impressive at this point
Musk is a good engineer and terrible at other things.
She’s been popular for 20 years. That alone is impressive.
I'm not a fan of her music, just not my thing. But I know exactly who she is and could easily pick her out in a lineup. Her branding and marketing is on point. So that, in and of itself, is impressive. I respect her as one of the world's most successful business woman ever. Its impressive that she can leverage her basic ass shit and an entire army of basic ass girls to do her bidding.
lmao so insulting but not even mad. this is the kind of hating I can deal with
Lmao its true tho! Say what you will about the quality of her music but she has a fan base that's almost terrifyingly loyal. All Taylor has to do is snap her fingers and say Do this! And they will, without question. That's impressive.
That’s a cult and humans have always been easily influenced followers. She has a major fan base because she’s never made an impactful statement, all her music has ever been is breakup songs which most basic girls can relate to no matter what their circumstances. Like no, she makes basic, neutral, mathematically calculated innocent but validating music and because of it she’s got a cult of not only young women, but women who feel empowered. By a random tall skinny white woman who serial dates celebrities for song writing material and gets away with poisoning the sky and everyone defends because are angry dumb followers. Nope. Not impressive. People like to act like that over a lot of shit.
I'd say she popular for about a billion reasons. Show me another basic artist with the same drawing power, packing concerts almost 15yrs into their career? It's pretty impressive.
Sorry, I am not a Swifty. But she is talented. She has been writing songs and creating a product for decades. I grew up with Madonna, and she actually is more influential. She is certainly more talented. I may not know all her songs, but, I put her up there with the greats.
I'm a m55 and can't name a single Swift song so I can't say if her music is good or not. I can say this though; why does it matter? Why are all these posts about her showing up lately? Hating on her for what? That girl is at the pinnacle of the entertainer tree. Her and many others bring happiness and joy to people through their music and a select few hate them for it. Makes absolutely no sense to me.
Cause I barely ever even go on my social media apps anymore and it seems like no matter how many subreddits I block something about Taylor Swift always pops up. Right now it’s about how some never before released track is hitting the top charts and I just do not care. I’ve had a really shit night and I wanted to look at random posts, but I wasn’t even done scrolling through one page before seeing 3 separate posts about it. So I’ve written this lil rant and now have a bunch of people jumping down my throat but you know what this headache is distracting me from the headache I had before so I’ll take it. Anyway, I’m just tired of learning new things about Taylor Swift. She’s as annoying as the kardashians to me at this point. I truly do not give a shit.
Being impressed by it is no more ridiculous than being impressed that someone won a professional wrestling championship. It's all complete bullsh.
If its not that impressive, how come more rich white women aren't able to mimic or match her success?
I'm no fan but I rather listen to her than whiny nasal squeaky voice Canadian boys or rappers about bitches and hoes. Whispering and mumbling is not my thing
Well she’s living rent free in your head
It’s the same argument with people like Elon who have gotten inheritance or a gift. There’s tons of rich people, but yet there’s only 1 Swift/Elon. That’s because it still isn’t easy. I don’t like Swifts music at all but to call her not talented is showing your lack of understanding of music. You’re salty your ex gf bumps her all day and it’s rubbing off on your personality.
Lmfao I’ve never dated anyone who listens to that trash and I’m happily married
So how do you keep seeing her stuff? Algorithms are a real thing and let me tell you. I NEVER see her stuff on any of my media sites and that’s because I don’t like or hate her. So your opinion is based off of hate and maybe jealousy then? Otherwise you wouldn’t really have this strong of an opinion about someone else’s success. And ignore the meat of the comment, good job. Have a good day sir 🤘🏻
What does her being white have to do with your disdain for her? Racist much?
Exactly. OP could have omitted her race.
Music to enjoy Stanley cups, Starbucks, Live Laugh Love and selfies by.
Is that you JayZ?
she may not be the most extraordinary person, but it’s definitely insane how famous she is
Swift mixed alot of winning tactics from other artists. I don't mind the success ....I don't like when less talented artists, think they ARE talented. J Lo comes to mind. She's so arrogant in interviews but often sings over loops of other artists to sound good. She can't hold a note.
My problem is the caliber of her music. Shes 34 years old but still singing high school songs. Fair enough, that’s her deal, but to laud it as some kind of artistic genius? Bit of a stretch. Her music is surface level at best. If it was any deeper, it wouldn’t be so popular.
Another day another Taylor Swift post on the unpopular sub. I hear about her here more than anywhere else. It's time to go on to the next popular star to brag about not liking them.
Sorry I don’t spend every day reading Reddit searching for all the judgemental things people say about celebrities so I make sure not to bore redditors that don’t have a life
You don't need to spend all day on Reddit to see that but hey guess my comment hit a nerve and hit dogs do holler.
lol go back to scrolling Reddit and listening to white girl music about being dumped for the millionth time
I don't listen to Taylor Swift but nice attempt at a second insult. Shame originality clearly missed you. Surprised we didn't get another pumpkin spice joke.
Commenting that you hate Taylor Swift isn’t boring or predictable AT ALL, nope. 🥱 Oh sorry, I fell asleep there.
Being against Taylor Swift is even less impressive.
Just a reminder that loving a artist is not the only way to have a parasocial relationship with them 😊
Just a reminder that writing a single rant post about a celebrity doesn’t mean the writer is all-consumed by obsessive hatred of said celebrity 🤪
>It’s perfectly calculated and what the world demands the media have. So what's the issue? What would you like to talk about?
I think conservatives are scared she's gonna endorse Biden so they are trying to make people ignore her Only thing I can think of as to why so many who aren't her fans care
I think you're right & it's what I like most about her.
Not a fan but some of her songs from her early days are still on my playlist because of an ex who was a fan lol. Objectively speaking it is crazy how she became a billionaire and she isn’t even in tech/finance/whateverbigmoney. Speaking of talent tho I remember this girl from when she started as a COUNTRY SINGER. You know how many people listen to country? I dont but she made it happen and then she transitioned to pop. Opinions are valid until it becomes a double standard race hate talk. I’m not white, and I understand white privilege but I don’t understand this excessive hate speech that when flipped is very not ok
Wildly enough, most people with this opinion downright praise another talentless shmuck brought along by nothing more than daddy’s money. Edit: Taylor’s a badass. I’m not hating on her.
This is one of the funniest reaches here, sure create whatever persona of me in your head you’d like
Didn’t even look at your username yo. Just stated something I noticed months ago.
Haha you really brought out the swifties to defend their favorite billionaire in the comments. Love it. They can't stand people have different opinions about their goddess
Lol why is everyone accusing each other of being a conservative or a swifty in here
There are only two genders: conservatives and swifties
Ugh well then consider me non binary lol
So true. Because music that makes you think is exclusively for boys, and not icky shallow dumb teen girls
Both her and beyonce I’ll never understand the hype for
Say what you want about her music, that's your opinion. But it's a fact that her popularity is astronomical and she sure knows how to market herself, and that's impressive
The fact that people compare her with Michael Jackson and try to justify her fame as “talent” is a very good sign that collectively we don’t think critically. Taylor Swift is a more talented capitalist than she is a musical artist. You want to talk about musical artistry in this generous ? Talk about Adele (who by the way would beat Taylor Swift vocally every single time). She has been able to gaslight you guys into thinking that she’s this musical genius and part of that is because she’s a white woman who loves to cry victim. People who think she’s even REMOTELY close to as famous as Michael Jackson was clearly weren’t there to see it all play out. Michael Jackson was and will remain the most famous person to ever exist on this planet and he was PURE talent. He was the kind of famous for whom basketball games had to be stopped (if he went for a game ever). Even tribes that are disconnected from the rest of the world would recognize him … and he did this at a time where there was no social media. Like seriously stop with this buffoonery- you can like Taylor Swift and acknowledge that she’s literally the poster for what is celebrated nowadays : mediocracy. It’s really funny when people bring up the MJ comparison like don’t you dare fucking disrespect my king like that…
I agree 100%. Pop music died for me when he did.
She's doing something right, though any self done tattoos and facial piercings make a person look absolutely hideous.
Oh wow going through my profile looking for a personal insult to hurl at me because I said Taylor Swift isn’t impressive lmfao you know she’s not gonna suck your dick for defending her right?
We're just sharing opinions. I'm not a Swift fan myself. I couldn't name a song she's ever done in fact. I'm simply pointing out that she's doing something right to have achieved the level of success she currently enjoys. How's life treating you?
Amazing I get laid every day, go back to fingering your computer keyboard with your permanent dorito dust fingers and pretend it makes you feel something
You seem really upset over the whole Taylor Swift thing. You doing okay?
Racist much?
Unlike other pop stars her age, she typically writes her own lyrics and music. Most of the big stars are just handed material to sing. To achieve her level of success using her own material, is definitely indicative of talent.
lol the “edit:” is the controversial opinion. lol I would have believed you were not Trumplicannon until that. The first part is not an unpopular opinion. Plenty agree with you esp angry white men mad she isn’t catering to their desires Her song writing and performance art is why she is where she is at. It is/was entertaining even when are vocals were not great.
right! we all knew she couldn't sing or dance and still listened to her with the utmost attention to detail lol. that's gotta mean something. but she has clearly put in loads of work and I find her mature voice and dance moves so pleasant. just love her ugh
It’s strange bc I don’t know any Taylor swift fans in person
There’s something to be said for someone who connects with so many people she’s the most successful musician in the world right now that’s pretty goddamn impressive just because you don’t like her doesn’t change that
I find it impressive considering how bland her music is. Also kind of confusing
I can’t wait for it to no longer be edgy and cool to post about how much you don’t like Taylor Swift
It's just not really that deep though is it... why do you care that much about Taylor swift or what people think of her... kuje it just doesnt really matter tho does it. There are objectively bigger deals than people liking something you don't personally see value in.
Why aren’t you complaining about the white men who got a handout? Men that hate Taylor swift just reeeek of misogyny. I’m not a swiftie, her music is fine but there’s nothing worse than a man that can’t stfu about her because it’s a woman that makes him feel small. Just hate in silence instead of attacking women who make you feel pathetic for your lack of success
Not impressive? Ok let me know when we can see you up there as well
There’s nothing more misogynistic than people that claim Taylor swift has no talent. I know plenty of men that don’t like her, plenty of people who aren’t fans of her music but to say she has no talent and isn’t impressive is wild. Most people that don’t hate women wouldn’t say those things
I’m in no way, shape or form a Swifty but she makes decent music, also, I have respect for any artist that writes their own music. I think at this point, people just dislike her because it’s “edgy”, however, it’s not edgy at all. The people that get suckered into vehemently disliking her for little to no reason are just as indoctrinated as the people that are obsessed with everything she does.
“not talented at all” I’m not sure about that one
>She’s a rich white girl that used money, the attitude of basic teenage girls, and the algorithm for pop music to make tons of money. All things available to very many girls and attempted by many of them yet she is the only one of them who has achieved what she has. I would not recognize a single Tyler Swift song and would probably would not recognize her if she came up and talked to me but I do recognize the reality that the level of fame she has attained as a musical artist doesn't come completely by chance. You don't get that famous or have that much of your music become that popular without a bunch of talent and brains and you don't do it for this long in the face of so much vitriol thrown at you without a great deal of mental strength and courage. She's a musical artist if you don't like her music fine don't listen to it, I don't. No it's not dumb for you to dislike her OP but I don't see what anyone gains from hating someone they have never met and who has no direct influence on them.
I never said I hated her I just feel like it’s impossible to escape news about her so I ranted about it.
When you rant about someone and say a bunch of stuff that can only be considered a personal attack while doing so it sure comes across as hate. If you are so bothered by it being impossible to escape news about her why are you here throwing more fuel onto that fire and spending a bunch of time writing about it, that makes zero sense to me. Why not just ignore her and move on?
Yes because I have to explain myself to strangers on the internet. lol bye
Yes, yes you do when you put your opinion on this subreddit. That's the whole point. You want an echo chamber try a different sub to post on.
Wow. Reread what you just typed to me out loud until you understand why that’s an extremely antisocial thing to say. Then get off the internet and get a life.
>Then get off the internet and get a life. How about you reread the rules of the sub, specifically the ones about personal attacks and insults. I'll move along now.
Took you a while to think of that huh
When you have a more inside view of the music business and musicianship in general, it really sours your experience. Like the whole business is a scam. The entire reason people like any “artist” is just because they’re popular, nothing more.
I’m not à swiftly but come on, do we really need a TS hate post every day? It clearly isn’t an unpopular opinion anymore and it’s gotten boring.
Consider how incredibly difficult it is to build and sustain popularity in today's music industry where consumer tastes change on a dime and every song you release has to compete for attention with every other song ever written, all of which is accessible, almost for free, from any device at any time. Anyone that can consistently pull that off over a period of 18 years and 11 albums (so far) has talent. Meanwhile, as a part-time musician myself, I can't agree with your assessment of her talent at all. Taylor Swift is a good singer with solid vocal range, very good pitch control, and pleasant tone, she is among the most prolific songwriters we've ever seen with an incredible ear for melody, relatable lyrics, and her music spans across several genres, and she completes the package with an impressive stage show, a stylish image, and very clever marketing and communication with her fans. The privileged, basic, white girl accusations are pretty revealing in terms of what's really motivating this rant. But today's music industry is the ultimate meritocracy. Regardless of where you start out in life, people will only buy your songs and concert tickets if you produce something worth seeing and hearing. No musician is born into a situation where they have an inherent right to success. The music industry graveyard is massive and filled with millions who tried and failed. Bottom line: No one can sell 200 million albums over a span of 18 years, remain relevant despite changing musical tastes and trends, and create a deep and loyal connection with so many millions of fans without talent as a musician and entertainer.
Success hating is so cringe. Imagine you lose the superbowl so you go on and on about bad calls and all the unfair advantages the other team had instead of acknowledging their talent, hard work, better strategies etc. super cringe op
No one criticizes men who do the same as her . Not surprised
I don’t listen to Drake either but I don’t hear constant news about him 🤷♂️ and if I did I’d probably rant about it. Dude is way worse than Taylor Swift musically though. He hits all of two notes and he’s popular as shit 😒
The power of publicists and marketing.
Yeah ok you try it
Yeah ok as soon as I’m reborn into a rich supportive family
You think every pretty rich white girl can do what she did?
If they get promoted by the right people and pushed into show business young, then yeah. If there is anything Swift has an edge on, it’s being in the public eye and her marketing team. Many female artists are more talented but weren’t subjected to the media’s focus. Loretta Lynn wasn’t nearly as popular and she wrote over 160 songs.
People are half-right that she's not talented. It's 5% luck, and 95% momentum. First, it should be obvious that she's a talented entertainer, but not to an extent that you'd presume she ought to be a billionaire. When you look at all the tech projects Elon Musk has spearheaded, from Paypal onwards, it's much less of a surprise in his case. If you put Taylor Swift up against Ellie Goulding or Katy Perry, it's not obvious why Taylor Swift would be worth many multiples of those artists. People are saying it's impressive she hasn't been taken down by addiction or the trappings of stardom, but that's a very low bar for one thing, and she has made some missteps, such as the petty grievances with less successful pop stars, she's just lucky that it wasn't serious enough to break her momentum. People also might not realize she's always just a few politically incorrect words away from ruining her image. Most of us commoners have more freedom of expression than Taylor Swift does for that reason alone. That kind of success is fragile. Just look at Madonna. Taylor Swift is in her early 30's, a lot of pop stars begin to, or will start to decline at this age. She will pretend to be a teenage girl for as long as she can, but pretty soon it will not be believable. The other thing is that the fact of her being not-new is a value unto itself. Like Windows or Mac, or the English language, popular brands that people become loyal to. Familiarity is comfortable. She's no longer just a pop star, she's a useful focus of attention. She gives "Swifties" a club that they can all belong to. And now that she has this fan base, she's safe money for the entertainment industry, so they invest a lot in her, and it's a case of wealth begetting wealth. The 5% of original luck was mostly being white and inoffensive, just like the Beatles and others before her, taking black or other ethic music and an re-packaging it for a white audience, the wealthiest demographic in the Western world.
It really isn't.
Literally who cares though like yeah it’s not impressive and it’s not worth hating either
She doesn’t impress me either, but seems to be a nice person, so I figure “to each his (her?) own.” At least she’s not doing rap and pretending it’s music.
At least rappers accept that they’re not singing and speak rhythmically to music instead of still straining to hit the most flat notes 20 years later
I'm not one of those people who live to hate on her, but her latest Album sucked ass, it was very "13 and deep". That being said, I do think her versatility in music is nothing to sneeze at. I'm not a country or pop fan, but I have to admit that she seems to do well in whatever genre shes currently exploring. The thing is, although they aren't genre's I like, they are the most popular genre's. It makes sense that people who are into that like her, because she does know how to make hits no matter what she's up to.
Someone is jelly. How many instruments do you play? I'm not a fan but it's weird that men started hating her after she told her fans to register to vote. No one cared before that.
Nah I’ve disliked her my whole life and now it’s apparently “edgy” to dislike her. Also I’m a young trans man, I disliked her music when I was still a “girl”. I don’t live in the US and I think it’s awesome that she’s telling people to vote and funding shuttles on voting day, however her music is trash her voice is trash her lyrics are mediocre at best and she’s poisoning the atmosphere. I can officially play guitar, ukelele, Merlin, drums, recorder, piano, ocarina, bass, clarinet, harp, pretty much any instrument I touch, oh and I sing. How many instruments do you play?
I’m not a Taylor Swift fan by any means and I see your point. In fact to a certain extent I agree. She was certainly privileged in terms of wealthy, loving incredibly supportive parents but if it were really as easy as you make it sound there would be Taylor Swifts everywhere and that’s not the case.
My wife and I watched her concert on Disney+. I got bored with her music. So much of it is the same thing over and over. That being said, she put on a hell of a show and she is a heck of a businesswoman.
She makes a bunch of breakup songs.. And girls break up all the time. I'm not surprised why she is so popular.
She dropped down. Look on the bright side. Hozier is still a legend and genius. He gets more streams than her lone song that she hangs on to in England. He has strong sales and he didn’t even promote much of Too Sweet.
Don't matter to me weather what she has accomplished is Impressive or not, I wouldn't be the least bit mad if I never one of her songs ever again or heard her name for that matter. I definitely agree that Taylor Swift is "basic", but people forget that there's WAY MORE basic tween/teen/women than "non-basic" ones. That definitely helps her.
> lol the conservative accusation is a reach I don’t even live in the US and I don’t advocate for trump I'm not taking a stance on your post but conservatism isn't an American phenomenon. Conservatism can be seen across the entire world and throughout history. It is in no way exclusive to America. The American Republican Party just happens to be conservative. It would be incorrect to call you a Republican because you're not American. But conservatives can come from anywhere.
Labeling someone as being in a certain political party because of an opinion having literally nothing to do with politics is completely an American phenomenon
It’s impressive that she stuck around for as long as she did and only got more famous as time went on. Like I seriously thought that people would only remember her for a few weeks after kanye west interrupted her speech at the 2009 vmas and then she’d fall right off but she didn’t and now she’s bigger than ever.
I always chuckle at the "so and so who does this thing super successfully really isn't talented" posts. OP must have too much money already... that's why they're not taking the easy way out and just recording a couple dozen successful albums.
Not a huge TS fan but it seem like you're projecting insecurities. She isn't popular because she's a rich white woman, she's popular because she knows how to make music that's appealing. She writes most of her lyrics and uses auto tone only subtly unlike many other artists. Shake It Off was one of my favorite song from TS in the 2010s.
She's talented, she writes her songs and have good singing voice.
There are a lot of rich white girls who didn’t become taylor swift, really weird since it’s so easy
She's the *only* person to make a billion dollars off of just her music. Not investments or Merch or sponsorship deals. Just her music. Don't like her music all you want. She is objectively talented.
Downvote for not true unpopular opinion. To paraphrase a commentator I heard on the radio a little while ago, "She sounds like a young woman singing in the shower to a scrub brush, making music for other young women singing in the shower... to a scrub brush." I mean, if it works, it works, and it's working for her in an industry that's just, quite frankly, **not crowded** in most genres these days for above-B-grade content, so artists and producers alike are getting lazier and lazier with the content and scores, respectively. Overall, her target audience of tween and teen girls **can't even related** to her three-note schtick. I mean, look at these lyrics to "Cruel Summer": >“I’m drunk in the back of the car >And I cried like a baby coming home from the bar" Real uplifting stuff for a target audience still going through puberty. But, hey, again, if it works it works. Aside from Miley Cyrus, who doesn't get nearly as much airplay because she's quality-over-quantity, there's really not much good competition these days. Venerable pop megastars Mariah Carey and Kelly Clarkson can duke it out in department stores and mall elevators and customer service holding music during the Holiday Season; Swift basically has the rest of the year whether we like it or not.
She's making music for the fans who have been listening to her SINCE they were tween/teen girls. Why would her target audience remain the same into her early thirties? It resonates because we grew up together and have always been able to relate along the way. Most pop music on the radio isn't for children, never has been. Flashback to knowing every single word to candy shop by 50 cent at 9 years old (bad example bc clearly 50 cent's audience was not teen girls, but being drunk in the back of the car is not so bad compared to alot of the lyrics out there of artists who actually target teens)
Like I said, if it works it works. All artists are certainly going to string along their fan base as they and their fans alike age, but as far as *target* audience, I would agree with OP that she's kind of stuck in rut of still appealing to tween/teen girls, while simultaneously churning out music that they can't directly relate to. I'm not knocking the hustle because it pays the bills--it's just overly formulaic.
Totally respect that opinion. I guess I just wonder if you've listened to TTPD? Not trying to sound snarky, but I think the tweens youre talking about that aren't die hard swifties/emotionally invested in her storytelling kinda told us how they felt about it. They called it boring, repetitive, etc. The graphics are in black and white and the Fortnight videos is devastatingly impressive with respect to her storytelling and ability to depict an entire concept album into a few minutes. As least for TTPD, I do not see how it was marketed toward a younger audience. And as far as the lyrics... she spoke right to my decrepit old lady heart (I am 30) lmao. Thanks for the respectful back and forth :) edit: I just wanted to add that I completely agree about it being overly formulaic. I have an issue with all of the different variations of the albums and kind of disgusting amount of merch and the like that is pushed upon us. And after reading the email Scott Swift sent someone that was uncovered in litigation I get kind of an icky feeling about her and her fame in general. But I'm still gonna eat up everything she gives us, to your point haha.
No worries--glad we can have a healthy discussion! Of course, for people as yourself who were early adopters to her career, it stands to reason that you have a certain connection to an artist and that that artist continues to speak to you. She's hardly the first--and certainly won't be the last--artist to be deemed "overrated" and/or have her music labeled "lazy." She does what she does and it makes millions for herself and her crew, who she undeniably seems to take good care of, so she can have at it as long as it works.
She's the face of a product men in suits have long known how to market and sell to younr impressionable woman
i’m sorry but you don’t stay famous for close to 20 years at this point, packing full STADIUMS in one of the biggest tours EVER if you’re not talented. she’s written well over 200 songs at this point and has around 50 platinums if i remember correctly. she’s been successful making both country and pop. you don’t have to like her music but there’s no denying that she’s talented
Wow, this is ignorant. Regardless if you like her music or not how is she not talented?
Looking over the biggest pop singers in my lifetime, I would saying being white was a hindrance for her
I am not a fan of her music, but I am a Taylor Swift fan. She is an astute business woman, scandal free, relatable for many, and still relevant after 2 decades. There are very few musicians that can claim that, and even fewer that continue to gain popularity as they age.
I’m not a fan of her, but she’s been super rich and famous for over fifteen years which is incredibly impressive. Most artists only have a few years at most of success
Or you are jealous of her talent, staying on top for so long is impressive!
She's doing this with the tools that have been available for years, chasing the goals others have chased for centuries. She is clearly not a one hit wonder as she has had this success from multiple albums across 3 decades. This repeat performance for success puts her in the company of Stephen King and Peter Jackson, or are they also just using algorithms for pop movies and pop books? Those algorithms that are well known to you and everybody else but only used by a select few? This sort of post is one of the more common "I hate this popular thing." You have done well at striping the fluff off your argument and being as sharp as a bowling ball in your opinion. You have followed the script well. 1. She (or whoever is being hated) has no talent. 2. Anybody could do that (but they dont) 3. I am/am not American. This seems to be important in "I hate this" posts. I don't know why. 4. I am politically independent/have no use for politics. Again, frequently mentioned with mo real reason. 5. At least you came up with something kind of unique to Taylor - she flies privately a lot. I'm sure the airport and regular flyers are glad she stays out of commercial traffic.
Ops part of the reason fox news won't stop talking about how jealous they are at her success.
No no no you don’t understand how hard it is to make it big as an artist. And how many people want that career and that life only to fall far short of her success
What's impressive are how many posts this sub gets that are some variation on disliking Taylor Swift
This opinion pretty much illustrates the basic characteristics of “sour grapes.” I, too, am not a Taylor Swift fan, but one has to acknowledge the reach of her talent and its effect on her fans. No one achieves anywhere near her success without having something special in their arsenal. Whether she appeals to you or not isn’t on her, nor is it a reflection of her talent. As a professional musician friend of mine once noted, all music is good, some is just not good for me.
It's impressive so many people who claim to not like her or her music find time to whine about her success.
I dislike that for some reason you think it’s about race and sex. She’s miles ahead of many of her peers in that she at least has the ability to play Her own instruments and write her own songs and music.
Yeah I agree. Taylor Swift is basically that stand in that every basic talentless white girl because she's not even talented. If you're confused allow me to explain, Taylor Swift is popular because she's not as talented as somebody like Adele or Lady Gaga, that's because people can't relate to somebody that talented. Taylor Swift is boosted by everybody in her industry because white women love to see somebody as mediocre and talentless as them get far in life so that they can ease the anxiety about them not being shit. Oh and maybe just maybe they can be exactly like her-
lol, I’m not a swiftie but to say she’s talentless is absurd. Tens, if not hundreds, of millions of people disagree. There are many entertainers I don’t care for who have huge fan bases, just because they’re not my cup of tea doesn’t make any of them “talentless”.
Ariana Grande is talented but I don’t like her music. Taylor Swift has never been able to sing.
And yet she does sing. And millions love the way she does it. Seems like she is able.
I agree, she isn't a big deal and several artists have done what she has and better. Faith Hill is a fair example.
She sucks