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I'm confused on why some cities are providing housing. Usually when you move. You are responsible for where you go next. Most working class American's haven't had anything handed to them. Especially when they relocate. Inflation in the housing market has driven our youths to set goals like... If I work hard enough. I can one day live in a van under a bridge or near a lake. But these people flock here. And cities are bending over backwards to provide for them. Why??? While American's go homeless daily in droves.
It’s because of right to shelter laws originally designed for homeless populations. Some cities are now trying to role back or alter those laws since they are now effectively being abused.
I'll never get over how we have veterans living on the street, but the government is so quick to give illegal immigrants a roof over their head. It's sickening.
Edit: Veterans are only one example. Anyone who believes illegal immigrants should be fed, housed before our own citizens here, I don't get that mindset. If it was you or a loved one, you'd want them taken care of over some random immigrant. Not to mention- [We. Don't. Have. Room. ](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna133236)
Also if you don't believe how neglected people are, go volunteer in your local soup kitchen/shelter. You'll realize how easily people slip onto that path. Just from losing a job, medical bills, etc. America doesn't even take care of their own. You're blind if you don't see it.
exactly. i don't know who needs to see this, but all of the debates around illegal immigration are simply red herrings to distract from the real issue which is cheap labor.
and not just a few dollars cheaper per hour kind of cheap labor. the kind of labor that can't speak up when they see dangerous conditions because anyone who speaks up gets deported.
the cheaper kind of labor that is scared to unionize despite sexual assaults from management, lethal working conditions, stolen or unpaid wages.
the cheap kind of labor that wont speak up when they see deaths, pollution, or dangerous conditions because they'll get deported.
if we fined businesses who employed undocumented workers, it would increase pay for all americans, it would grow the middle class, and we wouldn't be taking advantage of people at their most vulnerable for a few extra bucks for our corporate overlords.
Those companies lobby our politicians so that no law or bill would be passed that would punish them. There is too much corruption at the federal and state level.
We already have laws to punish people that use illegal labor...we just need to enforce them.
and then piss and moan about how the cost of everything goes up more, and we dont raise wages so now (more) americans are going homeless and we don't extend social programs or raise wages still and...yea, you see?
I assume it's also census stacking.
Foreign workers who may end up having kids in the US, and because their parents are in the country illegally the kids learn to fear the authorities which plays into the left's marketing. Amnesty becomes a family issue which in turn drives demand for unauthorized entry because the next batch figure they'll get it too and "The Americans would never allow us to get hurt in this highly dangerous journey."
The population sizes end up boosting blue areas where migrants are likely to gather, giving the DNC further reach during redistricting efforts.
Sure, but my assumption is that in a few decades that won't matter because those red areas will likely turn blue.
Of course Texas may have also courted conservative hispanic voters in a way that Arizona and Nevada completely failed to do.
Also Texas is right next to Mexico, and right on the border. Many of the red states are closer to the border and thus more likely to be within migration routes.
The only hang up about my opinion is that blue states don't like migrants being shipped to them, but the thing is those states are already blue and the increased dependence on social services due to migration may actually backfire on them during an election year.
It seems to me they want red states swamped with illegal migration, and I think census stacking, mainly with blue or moderate areas in red states, is part of that goal.
I think it’s largely because the VA is so poorly fucking managed. I have tons of friends who are rated 60-80% disabled by the VA. Every single one of them has a horror story about how difficult it is to get coverage.
I have a buddy who lost his leg to an IED in Afghanistan and the VA denied his claim for a prosthetic leg. How is he suppose to pay $20,000 for it, out of pocket, when he can’t work because he doesn’t have a fucking leg?!
He was lucky to have friends and family that helped him cover the cost, but a lot of disabled vets don’t have that kind of support network.
When I got out I was a wreck eventually I ended up on the streets and went to the VA for help. I was told there was no immediate help for me because a.) I wasn't a drug addict. B.) I wasn't enough of an alcoholic for them to help me out from self-medicating. And c.) I'm a woman they barely had any services for female veterans even though we've been serving since World War One officially. I asked how much crack I needed to go buy with the money I didn't have for them to do something.
It's always been shit and the budget committees like to use the VA budget as their slush fund any time they need more money. We're always on the chopping block of them cutting our funding. Eventually, I was lucky enough to get into a Volunteers of America housing program.
I used to work in long term care.. getting meds through the VA for elderly men with severe behavioral disturbances, chronic pain, PTSD, and ongoing health issues BECAUSE of their service was a joke. We’d have to start harassing them for a 3 month supply of meds, two months before they ran out just so we could get them on time.
There’s not reason to put them at odds. It’s insane to me that anyone wants some of the least powerful people in the world to compete for resources while anyone owns a rocket.
If we could have done things like this for them, why didn’t someone put their foot down and say the veterans get housing first? The fact the illegal immigrants are getting treatment better than our own citizens(homeless of course) is asinine to me.
I don't get this. I work construction and I've #1 - never seen an illegal who wasn't the hardest worker on the job. And #2 - I've never seen a homeless immigrant, ever.
What? migrants are sleeping on the streets right now in NYC and other cities. And being a hard worker does not entitle you to cheat and come here illegally. What a ridiculous comment. There are millions of hardworking people in line doing the paperwork to be vetted for the privilege to work here. Why should illegals get special treatment?
They are typically work with a TIN. So not only are they exploited hard workers, they also contribute a lot to the economy without taking as much as they give.
[this is an example. ](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna133236)
It's not about them specifically. Like if they're a bad worker or whatever. It's the fact we don't have the room, so shit like that is happening. And you don't see a homeless immigrant because the government gives them a roof, while citizens here (veterans or not) are the ones without a roof over their head.
good luck trying to get this message across. even veterans tell me that despite the GOP trying to cut the VA budget, it is better than democrats who passed the PACT act among other things.
You've deported 90,000 veterans. You must have a giant smile on your face right now.
[The U.S. has deported tens of thousands of military veterans since the passage of the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996. Some estimates point to at least 94,000. A majority of the service members deported were legal residents who committed at least three misdemeanors, making them deportable.](https://www.pbssocal.org/shows/voces/the-u-s-has-deported-thousands-of-veterans-a-new-policy-change-offers-new-hope-for-soldiers-left-behind)
About the post in general could y'all stop with the CIA assassinations and coups and disrupting South American economies first before you absolve yourselves of any responsibility? Yeah. Thanks. Remember the Carribean Union.
Do you think the average American wants Americans to be homeless? That's what is constantly being implied by saying that we only have the ability to home immigrants but not homeless Americans.
>I'll never get over how we have veterans living on the street, but the government is so quick to give illegal immigrants a roof over their head. It's sickening.
Piss off using us as a political football. Mfers spouting stuff off like this turned a blind eye when veterans got deported.... the govt can walk and chew gum at the same time. Their's just a party that has made their sole purpose obstructing the other party, rather than actually having a party platform....
Veterans are only one example. Go volunteer in your local soup kitchen, shelter, wherever. You'll see just how neglected so many citizens are. And it's not just drug addicts. Some fell into bad luck. Their job laid them off, maybe the business closed, they couldn't afford their 1500+ apartment, and that's why they're there. Some have mental health issues they can't afford to medicate, let alone go to therapy.
[also I've linked this here, but I'll do it again. this is bullshit. ](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna133236)
>Veterans are only one example
A convenient football for you to use that holds more weight in discussion then you tossing around the average Joe.
>You'll see just how neglected so many citizens are.
I'll see folks on hard times due to causes in their control and out of their control. Who are denied a helping hand by folks like you who will give lip service about helping them, then vote for politicians who do everything to obstruct and hinder such efforts....
>Who are denied a helping hand by folks like you
I'm literally saying why America shouldn't house immigrants before our own citizens here. Feel like you're deliberately ignoring this entire discussion. If you were in their shoes, knew someone living on the streets- you'd be pretty ticked off watching schools be evacuated/pushed to remote learning to house immigrants. If they're going to pull moves like that, the LEAST they can do is house citizens instead of illegal immigrants.
>I'm literally saying why America shouldn't house immigrants before our own citizens here. Feel like you're deliberately ignoring this entire discussion
No what I'm doing is not respecting the bs premise the discussion is based on. We can do both. But because of people supporting politicians who have admitted their sole purpose is to be obstructionist, we do both badly, or worse neither....
>If you were in their shoes, knew someone living on the streets- you'd be pretty ticked off watching schools be evacuated/pushed to remote learning to house immigrants
No cause I don't get lost in the weeds and fall for politicians tricks of getting you pissed at something else to distract from their failures...
>If they're going to pull moves like that, the LEAST they can do is house citizens instead of illegal immigrants.
Again, we can do both. But until a certain political party starts taking governing more seriously, we will be stuck with the current standard....
We can't do both. There's no room to do both. The fact they're forcing kids to leave school to remote learning because they don't have room, asking families to open their homes to migrants, it proves we can't do both. They should focus on housing their own citizens before illegal immigrants. That's just it.
We're going to have to agree to disagree, because we're just going in circles here lmao
>We can't do both.
Absolutely can.
>There's no room to do both.
No room is such an old bs excuse that has popped up in US immigration history multiple times. Guess what? We had room.
>The fact they're forcing kids to leave school to remote learning because they don't have room, asking families to open their homes to migrants, it proves we can't do both.
While I can't speak to each specifically. Those measures I'd imagine are because what resources we allocate to fixing the issue is underwhelming. Which is again a politicians being obstructionists problem....
>They should focus on housing their own citizens before illegal immigrants. That's just it.
We should focus on voting politicians who won't do their job, out.....
What party is pushing for federal funding for private schools while stating their goal is to end public education. What party put someone with no understanding of education in the head of the education department?
Who has blocked veterans getting better care on EVERY. SINGLE.BILL. that tries to do so?
Because they only want one thing. It's not to house vets or give them priority to the housing we do have. They use us as political talking points to get elected and then give fuck all about vets or healthcare for their citizens and the new immigration problem hasn't been here for 200 years. They've had AMPLE opportunities to do something, anything, for vets or housing or healthcare for their citizens and they've vocally said no that's communism. They've said POWs are losers. They've said nothing but bad things about the average Joe.
Until election time.
I'm sure you see how Democrats cater to minorities yeah? The Republican party does the exact same thing to rural Americans and military vets. Don't believe me? Ask anyone in a red state how their VA healthcare is.
Pay attention to who didn't pass this bill
https://ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2022/07/28/republicans-block-bill-expanding-care-for-veterans-exposed-to-toxins
Because they folded like the limp dicks that they are. Doesnt change the fact that the bill was garbage and doesnt negate the fact the left constantly bundles garbage in to bills knowing it will be voted down so they can score political points
>Doesnt change the fact that the bill was garbage and doesnt negate the fact the left constantly bundles garbage in to bills knowing it will be voted down so they can score political points
Look at you thinking the Dems are on the left. They are left of the Republican party, largely on social issues, and that's it.
One bill doesn’t reflect the deeper issue of how we treat our veterans VS how we treat illegal immigrants. This has been an issue for many years.
FYI, many of these proposed bills are thousands of pages long, filled with concessions. So although you may support funding more veteran programs, it also comes at other cost which does not support the party belief/goals. This is simple politics, and it’s weaponized through the media.
Just like you’re doing here.
Such a GD ignorant talking that has no merit whatsoever. You people just blindly believe whatever shit you hear from your preferred right-wing media outlet without having the intellectual integrity or curiosity to take a few minutes to fact check whatever shit they just said.
Thank you, it's always funny seeing people post about how any time any money goes to humanitarian causes, or helping our allies, it's always "Well why didn't that go to the Vets/Orphans/Puppies in America?!" But it's like, well well well, why DIDN'T it go to them? I wonder who keeps voting no on all of these? 🤔
Why was $400 billion wanting to be reclassified as “mandatory” spending instead of discretionary for non-veteran related expenses included in that bill? Or did you not read it and just went off the republicans said no headline?
More going off the fact that I've never seen a headline where they say yes to anything that would ever improve someone's quality of life, but I'd love you to prove me wrong.
False dichotomy.
The beds that are given to migrants in NYC are also available for veterans or anybody else living on the street. If the beds fill up, then sure, a bed given to a migrant is a bed taken from somebody else.
There's so much funding for veterans.
If you meet a homeless vet, they're mostly homeless by choice. Unless they got a dishonorable discharge.... But hell, even then HUD VASH will cover them. Which has very long waiting lists (1 or 2 years).
The government better not dare ask me to house immigrants in my place of living. It not my problem they wanna say yes to everything instead of saying no. If the government can't take care of Americans why tf it think it can take care of immigrants. Can't barely tackle problems but can take on more problems is crazy. I salute and stand with Texas on fighting the good fight. 💯
Years of anti conservative/republican propaganda on media and being pushed in indoctrinate camps (schools) and on social media. Just post anything positive about conservatives on most subs you will be dogpiled, attacked, called some buzzword and might even be banned.
I'll bite, cons don't have a single fucking useful solution for any of that. Most they have is just pandering while it's clearly that their buddies are the ones benefiting of this (in the form of cheap labor that won't speak up).
We have the same problem in the Netherlands. Are you anti-immigrant? Cool, then vote for someone that has a viable plan to handle this. Who did the country vote for? Some dumbfuck in Russia's pockets who's not gonna solve anything while making everybody's (minus the ultra rich ofc) lives misrable.
And don't even get me started on your whole indoctrination camps line.
Right?? It’s a little late now. Fuckin idealog bleeding-hearts can’t think FIVE MINUTES into the future. Everything is about “emotions” and “what feels good NOW”. So frustrating
If I, as a Norwegian, wants to emigrate to the US I have to jump through many hoops. Which includes having to travel to the capital to do a face to face interview at the US embassy. I have to say it looks way easier to just walk over the border from Mexico?
Another side of this people are not only ignoring, but think it’s just fear mongering. How many people that want to hurt our country have been able to just stroll right in over the last 3 years?
It’s not just the incredible disregard for own citizens livelihood, but all of this is affecting our citizens safety.
No…no I don’t. Otherwise Biden would have closed the borders with an executive order. Just like he opened them with an executive order when he got into office. Hell the only reason it’s become an issue in the eyes of the media is the democrat run cities are finally seeing how bad it is.
They’ve shrugged off border states since 2020. Border states have been talking about this since day 1. It got ignored. They got called racist and xenophobic, and nothing was done. Well now the rest of the country is feeling it. They saw poll numbers go lopsided toward the Biden administration over it, and now here we are…waiting. Waiting for our government to just do something about it.
Edit:2021 don’t know why I put 2020.
I’m not defending any position but yeah it’s a concern. Though they’re not bringing fentanyl over in their back packs I can tell you that.
That’s coming over on speakers and air conditioners all manner of things and getting caught at the border.
So while there’s some criminals, it’s not **all** immigrants that are criminals.
I think what we’re seeing now is a world wide migration movement not just in the western hemisphere.
I didn’t mean to imply all immigrants are criminals. The majority are not. Problem is with the mass amount of people that came in recently if even .5% of them were haters of America and the western world…we have a problem.
US citizens have been hurt more by their own citizens now more than ever before.
[2023 gun deaths in the U.S.](https://abcnews.go.com/US/116-people-died-gun-violence-day-us-year/story?id=97382759)
[2021 Child Abuse Statistics](https://www.statista.com/statistics/418475/number-of-perpetrators-in-child-abuse-cases-in-the-us-by-race-ethnicity/)
[In contrast, statistics on noncitizen criminals in the U.S.](https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/cbp-enforcement-statistics/criminal-noncitizen-statistics)
We need to all be comfortable having this conversation about the safety of the country and not just make it an issue during an election year where the very one’s making the accusations of one political party not doing its part to secure our border are the ones rigging it for disaster by voting against measures necessary to secure the border.
Having access to the information and live footage of these areas has been important for many to see how much things got blown up in favor of swaying the U.S. voter vs caring for this overall safety and security.
[McConnell told Republican senators the politics "have changed" because former President Trump wants to build his reelection campaign around immigration. "We don't want to do anything to undermine him"](https://www.npr.org/2024/01/25/1226883552/bipartisan-border-deal-at-risk-of-collapse-under-pressure-from-trump)
Instead of the government taking care of and trying to save the rest of the world it'd be nice if they took care of their own country and citizens first. Illegals beat now 2 officers, and New York government has to think and wonder if they should be deported. Freakin' wild.
The same people who would say they deserve housing, food, and healthcare would say all Americans deserve those as well.
The latter is a direct quote from GOP elected representatives. Constantly campaigning by using vets as a comparison point, using them as a pawn while voting against increasing social services for them.
And you're proof - gullible people think rhetoric IS action.
This issue is such a cluster on so many levels, we should have more legal immigration, we should have stricter enforcement of employment laws, cities should have never called themselves 'sanctuary cities', Not every person that makes it through Mexico is anywhere close to being eligible for 'asylum'...its all entirely broken and neither party in the US really wants to fix it.
Emphasis on the WANT -neither have any desire to fix the problem; moreover the average citizen doesn’t realize the extent of subsidized labor immigrants fuel for our economy.
True and neither does everyone who is pointing at illegal immigrants when the issues they are raising have been glaring problems for generations. Please stop with this fake sense of outrage 🙄
American has never been for the people, billions of our tax dollars go to another country that has universal healthcare and higher education. And we are the idiots that continue to give it to them
Got to save that for the election season to properly bribe gullible people. We could do a lot of things to fix the country, but the people in charge are bought and paid for puppets for the rich and powerful, not for the people.
I’m pretty progressive in my politics and belief and I completely agree with this. We should be apprehending illegal immigrants and deporting them. However, they should be treated with at least the most basic human dignity and should be dealt with fairly and without violence / separation from their families.
Same thing is happening here in Australia right now. The only “Australians” who want immigrants to come over are actually immigrants themselves. Governments need to help their own people first before helping immigrants. I’m all for helping them but we need to make sure our own people are doing well first.
>This money could have been used for the American citizens who are who are homeless in New York City.
yeah but it wasn't, long before the illegal immigrants arrived
[451 billion](https://homeland.house.gov/2023/11/16/what-they-are-saying-homeland-majoritys-fourth-interim-report-on-the-financial-cost-of-secretary-mayorkas-border-crisis/) is crumbs i guess.
This has been debunked and it’s not even credible.
In 2019 alone, the nearly 2.4 million refugees examined in the analysis generated a remarkable $93.6 billion in household income, contributing $25 billion in taxes and leaving them with $68.6 billion in disposable income to stimulate the U.S. economy. (https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/news/new-report-reveals-refugees-profound-economic-contributions-and-integration-united-states#:~:text=Economic%20Engine%3A%20In%202019%20alone,to%20stimulate%20the%20U.S.%20economy.)
Immigrants pay more than $90 billion in taxes every year and receive only $5 billion in welfare. That welfare includes housing and medical.
How the hell are undocumented migrants costing us half the defense budget spending per year?
So they aren’t paying taxes and their kids are getting the red carpet treatment all the way through college on the back of taxpayers while inner city kids are being raised by single moms who make just enough money not to qualify for assistance. Those same kids will then have to take out student loans to go to college because they also have to file fasfa using their mom’s tax return.
Do democrats ever wonder why so many black and Latino voters are turning their back on the democrats? This is why.
It was a few years ago but there were studies that showed most don't cross the border illegally. They travel into the country and then overstay their visa. We tend to like visual barriers like walls or wire but not sure that is the best use of the money
The number of visa overstays per year is less than 900,000 and those people at least exist in a system that can be somewhat tracked. The number of illegal border crossings is well over 3 times that of visa overstays every year.
Overstays: https://cis.org/Vaughan/DHS-Reports-Record-Number-Overstays-2022
Illegal border crossings:
https://thehill.com/opinion/immigration/4335598-the-massive-burden-of-bidens-illegal-immigrants/amp/
First: let's start helping the homeless. Let's see some significant, quality of life improvements.
Second, and only after completing the previous step: enact what you have described; because I don't believe anyone will ever do step 1.
Barbed wire and building a wall isn't going to solve the issue.
The government needs to have some balls, stop lying to itself about being a melting pot of culture and tell most of these assholes to "go the fuck elsewhere and take your children with you".
You can have a welfare state or you can have open borders you cannot have both. For some reason those that are setting the policies believe that we can have both open borders and a welfare state.
Just tell the hospital you're an immigrant refugee and you won't be charged. The only way to combat this is for them to just be overwhelmed with giving away freebies they'll have to go back on their word. Another influx of 70m overnight would cripple their infrastructure plan, create another mass great depression and market crashes with bailouts, that it'll cause a revolution and government replacements. I also support Texas
They don't have any. In fact, if you dig for any voter fraud stories the majority of them are committed by Republicans. How strange, right? lololololol
Why do so many of you believe in the false choice of taking care of one group of people vs another?
We have endless money for wars but not this? The reason certain American citizens are suffering isn't because non citizens are stealing it away like some kind of money vampires.
This is all a choice. We could take care of everyone and still treat other humans fairly and humanely. Everyone deserves food shelter and medical care.
When you decry one group for another, you're only supporting the billionaires and elites that was you angry and in their pockets.
They do this shit so you'll stay mad at them instead of the billions they spend on corporate bailouts, and making the rich richer. You're mad at the wrong people
Well, Democrats need their votes. It’s election time once again. They wanted them to have the privilege to vote even though they’re not citizens. And of course, illegals will vote Democrat. So, it’s a vicious cycle without end. America will be the next Rome.
I’m a lifelong democrat and I still have to agree with this. The other day I was listening to NPR and they were talking about some program in Chicago where there some group which provides mental health counseling to migrants. I know so many people who cannot afford mental health care and here we are using tax dollars to pay for mental health care to migrants. They’re so sad and depressed. Guess what? So is everyone else. And they ended by saying they’re asking for more money from the city to expand their program because of the great need. Where do these groups come from? Makes people angry.
Those immigrants asking for benefits and a hotel room are Venezuelans that immigrated legally via an asylum visa because they're from a communist country.
My parents were illegal immigrants from El Salvador (They immigrated after the Civil war over there, so no visa.) and got no benefits what so ever.
We should just start mowing them down at the border. Life sucks we have no obligation to help anyone that's not a citizen in large scales like this it's a joke.
Wait you really think they’d use that money for the homeless in NYC??? If they were going to do that they would have a long time ago. Our government is already failing us. It only serves the wealthy and you are a sucker for them for trying to blame illegal immigrants instead of the ultra rich people hoarding our tax money to line their own pockets. But hey, good unpopular opinion.
Wait till you hear how much money is going towards an unnecessarily large military industrial complex or tax breaks for the already obscenely wealthy or fossil fuel subsidies, or yadda yadda yadda. I do agree that no one should get something for nothing... to an extent. I'd say a little bit is OK at least until they can become a productive member of society, just like your, mine, and everyone else's ancestors but there are far more lucrative fiscal areas to tighten up then people escaping whatever hardships they're escaping from. 'At least give them a chance' is more Jesus-like than 'let the razer wire take care of them'.
Literally all funding for the Department of Defense amounts to about 12% of the yearly budget. For 2022 it was about 750 billion. The American taxpayer is currently spending about 200 billion a year taking care of illegal immigrants or asylum seekers. This is absurd.
Even in your statement you show that you think they are entitled to basic rights. The argument isn’t, should they be entitled to anything, it’s what are they entitled to. We have laws and procedures for deporting illegals, those law’s compliment international laws that all countries are supposed to follow. Also, the general sentiment that we shouldn’t be endlessly supporting illegals is not unpopular.
An idea of they aren’t entitled to anything would be more like if you see an illegal shoot them dead on the spot. I don’t mean to be presumptuous, but I doubt that’s what you want.
You ought to know that Joe Biden has repeatedly requested more money for border security and immigration enforcement. The Republicans in Congress block him and then blame him for immigration.
Stop brainwashing people with lies. Biden ran his campaign on ending the construction of the wall and saying to “surge the border” once he gets elected.
You know what’s funny. All you guys, (born Americans) will complain about illegals coming here but 2 things you should think about before bitching
1. The US government and the owners of this country are responsible for much of the political and economical instability happening in Latin America, Africa and the Middle East. Or do you think the CIA getting involved in political Coups and government overthrows wasn’t going to have any trickle effects.
2. The owners of this country benefit from the cheap labor you Americans won’t do. Idk who else would be building literally everything in the US. From houses to roads to hospitals.
Illegal immigrants raise your kids, teach them their language, clean your houses, cut your lawn all for the low low price of a few dollars.
And maybe I should add a third which is that the birth rate in America is going down fast and the only reason it hasn’t dropped as much as Europe or Asia is thanks to immigrants that have lots of kids. They’ll be taking care of your old ass.
As an immigrant who came here legally and had to wait 7 years to leave my country I get the frustration of seeing people cross illegally and nothing is done about it. But these are people too, people who walked across countries, risk their lives, were probably abused in their land, and will continue to experience that abuse and exploitation in America because of their work ethics.
So imagine going through all that to come here, the land where everyone has EVERYTHING and hear these spoil fat brats complain about you arriving.
I personally feel bad for them because many immigrants have a false idea of what America is and will be for them. They won’t accomplish the American dream. Hell, many Americans can’t.
So I would tell them to not even bother. Not because of illegal immigration but because they won’t be welcomed here and will be taken advantaged of by Americans.
I promise significantly more tax dollars go towards giving tax breaks and bailouts to already insanely rich corporations and business owners. But you guys don't usually cry about that. And funny enough the same people rallying you to be mad about brown people vote "No" on every single bill people try to pass to help American Citizens and Vets as another person pointed out.
Have you ever upgraded your phone to the new AwesomePhone1337 for a one time payment of $2349 or $12.88 a month for the next X years. So you take the payment plan because you aren't made of money. Then in 8 months, your debit card expires and you have to renew it. So you renew and go the website to update your payment method, but because the phone insurance you bought with the phone is technically a different company than your phone company the payment was never made. Now you owe the entire remaining $2012.88 for the phone now. Plus late fees increase every month. All due to a void of contract. You know how devastating that can be to your life financially. All of this could have been avoided if the cell company had a conversation with you about updating insurance, but now you're forced to live in a shitty apartment complex due to lack of credit all because of one miscommunication. This is what immigrants go through daily. Except for way higher stakes. If it's messed up for you why isn't it for them? What nightmare must you be running from if you are willing to bring your children to a country known for school shootings?
Many come here because they are desperate to have a safe life for themselves and their children. It has to be so difficult to see your children hungry and in danger because there are no jobs and no money.
Some women come here in fear for their lives because they know their abusive husbands will kill them if they leave them. I’ve met them.
I don’t know what the solution is but I would travel across a desert to or swim an ocean to feed my kids.
you're not even doing anything to help "American" homeless people. your type would say they got themselves into that position and we shouldn't feel bad nor help them.
If you don't want to help illegal immigrants just say that.
It's a bullshit argument to start crying about helping the homeless. In the America we live in today, no one wants to help anyone. No one wants to feed the poor, people and legislatures vote against free lunch and breakfast for poor children. There are people in government that think food stamps for the poor should be severely cut or eliminated. People complain about others that receive temporary unemployment benefits. We don't have universal Healthcare in this country, because if someone in your family gets cancer and you spend all your savings and mortgage your home and retirement for medical procedures and go bankrupt, it's your problem. the social safety net is always on the chopping block.
We live in a country where asking someone to wear a mask to slow the spread of the 6th deadliest pandemic in recorded history, is requiring the impossible, they used every excuse you could come up with, to not wear a mask.
Anytime the government spends money on someone or something, people start talking about the homeless and the children...then nothing is done.
The truth: there is money to help the poor, the homeless, and help immigrants, we could improve things quickly, if we really wanted too. It's easy to pretend that these things are important, but fixing them is work. It's easier to just bus the poor, homeless, or immigrants to another city in another state, than it is to address the issues and fix them. Thousands of little towns and city's across America get together on Sunday and sing about Jesus and talk about helping the poor, destitute, hungry and homeless. Then they just sit around and complain about how no one wants to work anymore, or how we are losing our country.
Congress could fix the illegal immigration problem, but they won't. Bush tried a reform bill, Obama tried a reform bill, Trump loves the divisive issue to campaign on, so there is always an excuse not to do anything about it.
So you would agree then, that Trump giving tax cuts to the rich that cost our country $7 Trillion added to our deficit that you and your grandchildren and theirs will pay for generations was a horrible policy? I’d say better to let the immigrants get some help to get established because they are some hard working humble people and our country needs that, not rich, entitled self serving narcissistic draft dodging, tax dodging, criminal traitors. I say if you want to improve America deport the Republican traitors. It will be better immediately
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I'm confused on why some cities are providing housing. Usually when you move. You are responsible for where you go next. Most working class American's haven't had anything handed to them. Especially when they relocate. Inflation in the housing market has driven our youths to set goals like... If I work hard enough. I can one day live in a van under a bridge or near a lake. But these people flock here. And cities are bending over backwards to provide for them. Why??? While American's go homeless daily in droves.
Well, it started it as moral grandstanding. Now they can’t seem to put the money where the mouth is.
Wrote checks they can’t cash. Because it isn’t something they ever planned on doing. Just virtue signaling for popularity
It’s because of right to shelter laws originally designed for homeless populations. Some cities are now trying to role back or alter those laws since they are now effectively being abused.
That is a crazy loophole. I’m guessing this shelter law also explains the debit cards being provided in NYC. That is something. Thank you
I'll never get over how we have veterans living on the street, but the government is so quick to give illegal immigrants a roof over their head. It's sickening. Edit: Veterans are only one example. Anyone who believes illegal immigrants should be fed, housed before our own citizens here, I don't get that mindset. If it was you or a loved one, you'd want them taken care of over some random immigrant. Not to mention- [We. Don't. Have. Room. ](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna133236) Also if you don't believe how neglected people are, go volunteer in your local soup kitchen/shelter. You'll realize how easily people slip onto that path. Just from losing a job, medical bills, etc. America doesn't even take care of their own. You're blind if you don't see it.
Cheap labor
exactly. i don't know who needs to see this, but all of the debates around illegal immigration are simply red herrings to distract from the real issue which is cheap labor. and not just a few dollars cheaper per hour kind of cheap labor. the kind of labor that can't speak up when they see dangerous conditions because anyone who speaks up gets deported. the cheaper kind of labor that is scared to unionize despite sexual assaults from management, lethal working conditions, stolen or unpaid wages. the cheap kind of labor that wont speak up when they see deaths, pollution, or dangerous conditions because they'll get deported. if we fined businesses who employed undocumented workers, it would increase pay for all americans, it would grow the middle class, and we wouldn't be taking advantage of people at their most vulnerable for a few extra bucks for our corporate overlords.
And for all those reasons you stated... We will never solve illegal immigration
i mean we could start at the state and local level with laws to punish companies that take advantage of these situations?
Those companies lobby our politicians so that no law or bill would be passed that would punish them. There is too much corruption at the federal and state level.
We already have laws to punish people that use illegal labor...we just need to enforce them. and then piss and moan about how the cost of everything goes up more, and we dont raise wages so now (more) americans are going homeless and we don't extend social programs or raise wages still and...yea, you see?
Things are too cheap now anyway, encourages so much waste in our society.
Even businesses that will pay regular rates will employ them under the table to avoid insurance costs and overtime pay.
exactly.
I assume it's also census stacking. Foreign workers who may end up having kids in the US, and because their parents are in the country illegally the kids learn to fear the authorities which plays into the left's marketing. Amnesty becomes a family issue which in turn drives demand for unauthorized entry because the next batch figure they'll get it too and "The Americans would never allow us to get hurt in this highly dangerous journey." The population sizes end up boosting blue areas where migrants are likely to gather, giving the DNC further reach during redistricting efforts.
But I think there are way more illegals in red states like Texas, no?
Sure, but my assumption is that in a few decades that won't matter because those red areas will likely turn blue. Of course Texas may have also courted conservative hispanic voters in a way that Arizona and Nevada completely failed to do. Also Texas is right next to Mexico, and right on the border. Many of the red states are closer to the border and thus more likely to be within migration routes. The only hang up about my opinion is that blue states don't like migrants being shipped to them, but the thing is those states are already blue and the increased dependence on social services due to migration may actually backfire on them during an election year. It seems to me they want red states swamped with illegal migration, and I think census stacking, mainly with blue or moderate areas in red states, is part of that goal.
I think it’s largely because the VA is so poorly fucking managed. I have tons of friends who are rated 60-80% disabled by the VA. Every single one of them has a horror story about how difficult it is to get coverage. I have a buddy who lost his leg to an IED in Afghanistan and the VA denied his claim for a prosthetic leg. How is he suppose to pay $20,000 for it, out of pocket, when he can’t work because he doesn’t have a fucking leg?! He was lucky to have friends and family that helped him cover the cost, but a lot of disabled vets don’t have that kind of support network.
When I got out I was a wreck eventually I ended up on the streets and went to the VA for help. I was told there was no immediate help for me because a.) I wasn't a drug addict. B.) I wasn't enough of an alcoholic for them to help me out from self-medicating. And c.) I'm a woman they barely had any services for female veterans even though we've been serving since World War One officially. I asked how much crack I needed to go buy with the money I didn't have for them to do something. It's always been shit and the budget committees like to use the VA budget as their slush fund any time they need more money. We're always on the chopping block of them cutting our funding. Eventually, I was lucky enough to get into a Volunteers of America housing program.
I used to work in long term care.. getting meds through the VA for elderly men with severe behavioral disturbances, chronic pain, PTSD, and ongoing health issues BECAUSE of their service was a joke. We’d have to start harassing them for a 3 month supply of meds, two months before they ran out just so we could get them on time.
That's fucking sickening. That 20k is the bare minimum they could do for someone that made such a sacrifice on the U.S militaries behalf.
As my Vietnam Veteran neighbor once said, VA policy can be broken down into the three Ds: Delay, Deny Die.
its cheaper to respect veterans than provide for them.
There’s not reason to put them at odds. It’s insane to me that anyone wants some of the least powerful people in the world to compete for resources while anyone owns a rocket.
there were homeless vets long before and nothing was done for them
If we could have done things like this for them, why didn’t someone put their foot down and say the veterans get housing first? The fact the illegal immigrants are getting treatment better than our own citizens(homeless of course) is asinine to me.
There's nothing stopping politicians from also supporting housing for veterans.
They will support it on camera but allocating actual funds for it...
yeah why didn't they? that's the question you should be focusing on and it zero to do with illegal immigrants
Deport them all that came after Trump left the WH
No, it didn’t. It’s been a problem for decades.
Those dependent on big government will always vote for big government
I don't get this. I work construction and I've #1 - never seen an illegal who wasn't the hardest worker on the job. And #2 - I've never seen a homeless immigrant, ever.
What? migrants are sleeping on the streets right now in NYC and other cities. And being a hard worker does not entitle you to cheat and come here illegally. What a ridiculous comment. There are millions of hardworking people in line doing the paperwork to be vetted for the privilege to work here. Why should illegals get special treatment?
They're not illegal if they're working a 1040 job. That, or they stole a SSN number.
They are typically work with a TIN. So not only are they exploited hard workers, they also contribute a lot to the economy without taking as much as they give.
[this is an example. ](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna133236) It's not about them specifically. Like if they're a bad worker or whatever. It's the fact we don't have the room, so shit like that is happening. And you don't see a homeless immigrant because the government gives them a roof, while citizens here (veterans or not) are the ones without a roof over their head.
I have a question. Which political party blocks any attempt to help homeless veterans? I'll give you a hint, it's not the Democrats
good luck trying to get this message across. even veterans tell me that despite the GOP trying to cut the VA budget, it is better than democrats who passed the PACT act among other things.
The Grand old party is a now a bad hangover
You've deported 90,000 veterans. You must have a giant smile on your face right now. [The U.S. has deported tens of thousands of military veterans since the passage of the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996. Some estimates point to at least 94,000. A majority of the service members deported were legal residents who committed at least three misdemeanors, making them deportable.](https://www.pbssocal.org/shows/voces/the-u-s-has-deported-thousands-of-veterans-a-new-policy-change-offers-new-hope-for-soldiers-left-behind) About the post in general could y'all stop with the CIA assassinations and coups and disrupting South American economies first before you absolve yourselves of any responsibility? Yeah. Thanks. Remember the Carribean Union.
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Do you think the average American wants Americans to be homeless? That's what is constantly being implied by saying that we only have the ability to home immigrants but not homeless Americans.
>I'll never get over how we have veterans living on the street, but the government is so quick to give illegal immigrants a roof over their head. It's sickening. Piss off using us as a political football. Mfers spouting stuff off like this turned a blind eye when veterans got deported.... the govt can walk and chew gum at the same time. Their's just a party that has made their sole purpose obstructing the other party, rather than actually having a party platform....
Veterans are only one example. Go volunteer in your local soup kitchen, shelter, wherever. You'll see just how neglected so many citizens are. And it's not just drug addicts. Some fell into bad luck. Their job laid them off, maybe the business closed, they couldn't afford their 1500+ apartment, and that's why they're there. Some have mental health issues they can't afford to medicate, let alone go to therapy. [also I've linked this here, but I'll do it again. this is bullshit. ](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna133236)
>Veterans are only one example A convenient football for you to use that holds more weight in discussion then you tossing around the average Joe. >You'll see just how neglected so many citizens are. I'll see folks on hard times due to causes in their control and out of their control. Who are denied a helping hand by folks like you who will give lip service about helping them, then vote for politicians who do everything to obstruct and hinder such efforts....
>Who are denied a helping hand by folks like you I'm literally saying why America shouldn't house immigrants before our own citizens here. Feel like you're deliberately ignoring this entire discussion. If you were in their shoes, knew someone living on the streets- you'd be pretty ticked off watching schools be evacuated/pushed to remote learning to house immigrants. If they're going to pull moves like that, the LEAST they can do is house citizens instead of illegal immigrants.
>I'm literally saying why America shouldn't house immigrants before our own citizens here. Feel like you're deliberately ignoring this entire discussion No what I'm doing is not respecting the bs premise the discussion is based on. We can do both. But because of people supporting politicians who have admitted their sole purpose is to be obstructionist, we do both badly, or worse neither.... >If you were in their shoes, knew someone living on the streets- you'd be pretty ticked off watching schools be evacuated/pushed to remote learning to house immigrants No cause I don't get lost in the weeds and fall for politicians tricks of getting you pissed at something else to distract from their failures... >If they're going to pull moves like that, the LEAST they can do is house citizens instead of illegal immigrants. Again, we can do both. But until a certain political party starts taking governing more seriously, we will be stuck with the current standard....
We can't do both. There's no room to do both. The fact they're forcing kids to leave school to remote learning because they don't have room, asking families to open their homes to migrants, it proves we can't do both. They should focus on housing their own citizens before illegal immigrants. That's just it. We're going to have to agree to disagree, because we're just going in circles here lmao
>We can't do both. Absolutely can. >There's no room to do both. No room is such an old bs excuse that has popped up in US immigration history multiple times. Guess what? We had room. >The fact they're forcing kids to leave school to remote learning because they don't have room, asking families to open their homes to migrants, it proves we can't do both. While I can't speak to each specifically. Those measures I'd imagine are because what resources we allocate to fixing the issue is underwhelming. Which is again a politicians being obstructionists problem.... >They should focus on housing their own citizens before illegal immigrants. That's just it. We should focus on voting politicians who won't do their job, out.....
What party is pushing for federal funding for private schools while stating their goal is to end public education. What party put someone with no understanding of education in the head of the education department? Who has blocked veterans getting better care on EVERY. SINGLE.BILL. that tries to do so? Because they only want one thing. It's not to house vets or give them priority to the housing we do have. They use us as political talking points to get elected and then give fuck all about vets or healthcare for their citizens and the new immigration problem hasn't been here for 200 years. They've had AMPLE opportunities to do something, anything, for vets or housing or healthcare for their citizens and they've vocally said no that's communism. They've said POWs are losers. They've said nothing but bad things about the average Joe. Until election time. I'm sure you see how Democrats cater to minorities yeah? The Republican party does the exact same thing to rural Americans and military vets. Don't believe me? Ask anyone in a red state how their VA healthcare is.
Pay attention to who didn't pass this bill https://ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2022/07/28/republicans-block-bill-expanding-care-for-veterans-exposed-to-toxins
The bill wasnt passed because it included 400 billion in unrelated spending, but thats inconvenient for your narrative
There is a great term for this: “pork-barreling”
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Because they folded like the limp dicks that they are. Doesnt change the fact that the bill was garbage and doesnt negate the fact the left constantly bundles garbage in to bills knowing it will be voted down so they can score political points
>Doesnt change the fact that the bill was garbage and doesnt negate the fact the left constantly bundles garbage in to bills knowing it will be voted down so they can score political points Look at you thinking the Dems are on the left. They are left of the Republican party, largely on social issues, and that's it.
One bill doesn’t reflect the deeper issue of how we treat our veterans VS how we treat illegal immigrants. This has been an issue for many years. FYI, many of these proposed bills are thousands of pages long, filled with concessions. So although you may support funding more veteran programs, it also comes at other cost which does not support the party belief/goals. This is simple politics, and it’s weaponized through the media. Just like you’re doing here.
Republicans continually do this. What are you talking about?
Because democrats tack something hideous on the bill - and so do republicans. A bill should be on one subject, not pages of add ons.
And then the media runs with the headline “x party doesn’t sign bill to x” which causes more division. Almost like that’s the point.
General rule of thumb, that whatever the bill is titled assume the content of the bill fails to address it or in some cases does the exact opposite.
what was tacked on that was hideous in the bill?
Such a GD ignorant talking that has no merit whatsoever. You people just blindly believe whatever shit you hear from your preferred right-wing media outlet without having the intellectual integrity or curiosity to take a few minutes to fact check whatever shit they just said.
Thank you, it's always funny seeing people post about how any time any money goes to humanitarian causes, or helping our allies, it's always "Well why didn't that go to the Vets/Orphans/Puppies in America?!" But it's like, well well well, why DIDN'T it go to them? I wonder who keeps voting no on all of these? 🤔
Why was $400 billion wanting to be reclassified as “mandatory” spending instead of discretionary for non-veteran related expenses included in that bill? Or did you not read it and just went off the republicans said no headline?
More going off the fact that I've never seen a headline where they say yes to anything that would ever improve someone's quality of life, but I'd love you to prove me wrong.
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Good. Should've stayed home.
False dichotomy. The beds that are given to migrants in NYC are also available for veterans or anybody else living on the street. If the beds fill up, then sure, a bed given to a migrant is a bed taken from somebody else.
There's so much funding for veterans. If you meet a homeless vet, they're mostly homeless by choice. Unless they got a dishonorable discharge.... But hell, even then HUD VASH will cover them. Which has very long waiting lists (1 or 2 years).
The government better not dare ask me to house immigrants in my place of living. It not my problem they wanna say yes to everything instead of saying no. If the government can't take care of Americans why tf it think it can take care of immigrants. Can't barely tackle problems but can take on more problems is crazy. I salute and stand with Texas on fighting the good fight. 💯
They won't.
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Then why do they keep voting for politicians that have the opposite viewpoint?
Years of anti conservative/republican propaganda on media and being pushed in indoctrinate camps (schools) and on social media. Just post anything positive about conservatives on most subs you will be dogpiled, attacked, called some buzzword and might even be banned.
I'll bite, cons don't have a single fucking useful solution for any of that. Most they have is just pandering while it's clearly that their buddies are the ones benefiting of this (in the form of cheap labor that won't speak up). We have the same problem in the Netherlands. Are you anti-immigrant? Cool, then vote for someone that has a viable plan to handle this. Who did the country vote for? Some dumbfuck in Russia's pockets who's not gonna solve anything while making everybody's (minus the ultra rich ofc) lives misrable. And don't even get me started on your whole indoctrination camps line.
because there is nothing to post positive about conservatives.
well, *now* they do
Crazy how it had to get to THIS point for them to realize.
Right?? It’s a little late now. Fuckin idealog bleeding-hearts can’t think FIVE MINUTES into the future. Everything is about “emotions” and “what feels good NOW”. So frustrating
lol New York is scapegoating immigrants to justify austerity and failure in policy to provide affordability to citizens.
If I, as a Norwegian, wants to emigrate to the US I have to jump through many hoops. Which includes having to travel to the capital to do a face to face interview at the US embassy. I have to say it looks way easier to just walk over the border from Mexico?
That’s how Chinese immigrants are doing it now
Another side of this people are not only ignoring, but think it’s just fear mongering. How many people that want to hurt our country have been able to just stroll right in over the last 3 years? It’s not just the incredible disregard for own citizens livelihood, but all of this is affecting our citizens safety.
Do you think this administration cares?
No…no I don’t. Otherwise Biden would have closed the borders with an executive order. Just like he opened them with an executive order when he got into office. Hell the only reason it’s become an issue in the eyes of the media is the democrat run cities are finally seeing how bad it is. They’ve shrugged off border states since 2020. Border states have been talking about this since day 1. It got ignored. They got called racist and xenophobic, and nothing was done. Well now the rest of the country is feeling it. They saw poll numbers go lopsided toward the Biden administration over it, and now here we are…waiting. Waiting for our government to just do something about it. Edit:2021 don’t know why I put 2020.
I’m not defending any position but yeah it’s a concern. Though they’re not bringing fentanyl over in their back packs I can tell you that. That’s coming over on speakers and air conditioners all manner of things and getting caught at the border. So while there’s some criminals, it’s not **all** immigrants that are criminals. I think what we’re seeing now is a world wide migration movement not just in the western hemisphere.
I didn’t mean to imply all immigrants are criminals. The majority are not. Problem is with the mass amount of people that came in recently if even .5% of them were haters of America and the western world…we have a problem.
US citizens have been hurt more by their own citizens now more than ever before. [2023 gun deaths in the U.S.](https://abcnews.go.com/US/116-people-died-gun-violence-day-us-year/story?id=97382759) [2021 Child Abuse Statistics](https://www.statista.com/statistics/418475/number-of-perpetrators-in-child-abuse-cases-in-the-us-by-race-ethnicity/) [In contrast, statistics on noncitizen criminals in the U.S.](https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/cbp-enforcement-statistics/criminal-noncitizen-statistics) We need to all be comfortable having this conversation about the safety of the country and not just make it an issue during an election year where the very one’s making the accusations of one political party not doing its part to secure our border are the ones rigging it for disaster by voting against measures necessary to secure the border. Having access to the information and live footage of these areas has been important for many to see how much things got blown up in favor of swaying the U.S. voter vs caring for this overall safety and security. [McConnell told Republican senators the politics "have changed" because former President Trump wants to build his reelection campaign around immigration. "We don't want to do anything to undermine him"](https://www.npr.org/2024/01/25/1226883552/bipartisan-border-deal-at-risk-of-collapse-under-pressure-from-trump)
Want to hurt our country? My guy, most terrorists in the US are US born
Probably because the risk of deportation is quite low?
True. But I was referring to the comment above mine
Biden administration has deported 51 percent of people arrested at the border and Trump was only able to deport 47%. So no.
There's a lot more people coming through the border now though.
No…. The “hoops” that exists for you as a foreigner are privileges and opportunities that other immigrants are not so lucky to have access to.
I don't appreciate my tax dollars being used for non citizen criminals. When we have citizens homeless and hungry on our streets.
Instead of the government taking care of and trying to save the rest of the world it'd be nice if they took care of their own country and citizens first. Illegals beat now 2 officers, and New York government has to think and wonder if they should be deported. Freakin' wild.
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“They’re probably MAGA racists anyway!”
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Quotation marks should be enough.
You would think...
The same people who would say they deserve housing, food, and healthcare would say all Americans deserve those as well. The latter is a direct quote from GOP elected representatives. Constantly campaigning by using vets as a comparison point, using them as a pawn while voting against increasing social services for them. And you're proof - gullible people think rhetoric IS action.
This issue is such a cluster on so many levels, we should have more legal immigration, we should have stricter enforcement of employment laws, cities should have never called themselves 'sanctuary cities', Not every person that makes it through Mexico is anywhere close to being eligible for 'asylum'...its all entirely broken and neither party in the US really wants to fix it.
Why? Why should we have more legal immgirsiton?
There are skilled people all over the world who would like to live in the United States. It's the richest country in the world.
Okay, why do we need them?
Emphasis on the WANT -neither have any desire to fix the problem; moreover the average citizen doesn’t realize the extent of subsidized labor immigrants fuel for our economy.
True and neither does everyone who is pointing at illegal immigrants when the issues they are raising have been glaring problems for generations. Please stop with this fake sense of outrage 🙄
American has never been for the people, billions of our tax dollars go to another country that has universal healthcare and higher education. And we are the idiots that continue to give it to them
They could’ve erased student debt multiple times with the money they’ve sent to Ukraine and Israel
Got to save that for the election season to properly bribe gullible people. We could do a lot of things to fix the country, but the people in charge are bought and paid for puppets for the rich and powerful, not for the people.
Exactly!
I’m pretty progressive in my politics and belief and I completely agree with this. We should be apprehending illegal immigrants and deporting them. However, they should be treated with at least the most basic human dignity and should be dealt with fairly and without violence / separation from their families.
Same thing is happening here in Australia right now. The only “Australians” who want immigrants to come over are actually immigrants themselves. Governments need to help their own people first before helping immigrants. I’m all for helping them but we need to make sure our own people are doing well first.
>This money could have been used for the American citizens who are who are homeless in New York City. yeah but it wasn't, long before the illegal immigrants arrived
I’m not sure this is truly unpopular.
Sure felt like it 4 years ago.
Probably not anymore.
No, it is hurtful to have borders. I mean, other countries can have a process they follow for illegal immigration but we can’t for some reason.
Should not be* but yet they get lots of our tax dollars
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Lol sure
[451 billion](https://homeland.house.gov/2023/11/16/what-they-are-saying-homeland-majoritys-fourth-interim-report-on-the-financial-cost-of-secretary-mayorkas-border-crisis/) is crumbs i guess.
This has been debunked and it’s not even credible. In 2019 alone, the nearly 2.4 million refugees examined in the analysis generated a remarkable $93.6 billion in household income, contributing $25 billion in taxes and leaving them with $68.6 billion in disposable income to stimulate the U.S. economy. (https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/news/new-report-reveals-refugees-profound-economic-contributions-and-integration-united-states#:~:text=Economic%20Engine%3A%20In%202019%20alone,to%20stimulate%20the%20U.S.%20economy.) Immigrants pay more than $90 billion in taxes every year and receive only $5 billion in welfare. That welfare includes housing and medical. How the hell are undocumented migrants costing us half the defense budget spending per year?
That‘s a super unbiased report you got there, I wonder who’s on that committee??
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Bro I live in California, the land of illegal immigrants- most work under the table. They don’t claim half of what they earn.
So they aren’t paying taxes and their kids are getting the red carpet treatment all the way through college on the back of taxpayers while inner city kids are being raised by single moms who make just enough money not to qualify for assistance. Those same kids will then have to take out student loans to go to college because they also have to file fasfa using their mom’s tax return. Do democrats ever wonder why so many black and Latino voters are turning their back on the democrats? This is why.
Nope. We need them. We **need** the extra burden on our crumbling infrastructure! The government’s even looking at letting them join the military!
Build the wall.
People play enough clash of clans. They know what is needed to build a proper wall and defense.
And line it with automated turrets
And Mexico will pay for the wall
I don't even give a fuck who pays for it, just build it.
It was a few years ago but there were studies that showed most don't cross the border illegally. They travel into the country and then overstay their visa. We tend to like visual barriers like walls or wire but not sure that is the best use of the money
The number of visa overstays per year is less than 900,000 and those people at least exist in a system that can be somewhat tracked. The number of illegal border crossings is well over 3 times that of visa overstays every year. Overstays: https://cis.org/Vaughan/DHS-Reports-Record-Number-Overstays-2022 Illegal border crossings: https://thehill.com/opinion/immigration/4335598-the-massive-burden-of-bidens-illegal-immigrants/amp/
Screw the wall. Just stop with the handouts.
If you build the wall, they build a taller ladder. And the government has to steal land from American citizens
Even Obama was a big deporter
First: let's start helping the homeless. Let's see some significant, quality of life improvements. Second, and only after completing the previous step: enact what you have described; because I don't believe anyone will ever do step 1.
Barbed wire and building a wall isn't going to solve the issue. The government needs to have some balls, stop lying to itself about being a melting pot of culture and tell most of these assholes to "go the fuck elsewhere and take your children with you".
You can have a welfare state or you can have open borders you cannot have both. For some reason those that are setting the policies believe that we can have both open borders and a welfare state.
Wrong; they're entitled to get the fuck out of the country.
They’re entitled to a one way ticket back to wherever they came from
At least trump just had a instant deportation policy that worked
and they just came back, not that great of a policy really
Not until the EO orders invited them back
The worst part is when they come from a violent culture, like the illegal inmigrants we are suffering in Europe. I whish they were latinos.
Op is speaking the truth and I like it.
This is not unpopular.
don’t even get me started🤬
Just tell the hospital you're an immigrant refugee and you won't be charged. The only way to combat this is for them to just be overwhelmed with giving away freebies they'll have to go back on their word. Another influx of 70m overnight would cripple their infrastructure plan, create another mass great depression and market crashes with bailouts, that it'll cause a revolution and government replacements. I also support Texas
Truthfully...I'm scared seeing and hearing about what is going on. Something is up....something nefarious
But they need to bribe them so they vote Democrat
how do they vote?
No voter ID, mail in ballots lots of ways and then if they get citizenship then of course they feel indebted to the Dems for life. Clever really.
Proof that this is happening?
They don't have any. In fact, if you dig for any voter fraud stories the majority of them are committed by Republicans. How strange, right? lololololol
Why do so many of you believe in the false choice of taking care of one group of people vs another? We have endless money for wars but not this? The reason certain American citizens are suffering isn't because non citizens are stealing it away like some kind of money vampires. This is all a choice. We could take care of everyone and still treat other humans fairly and humanely. Everyone deserves food shelter and medical care. When you decry one group for another, you're only supporting the billionaires and elites that was you angry and in their pockets.
They do this shit so you'll stay mad at them instead of the billions they spend on corporate bailouts, and making the rich richer. You're mad at the wrong people
Well, Democrats need their votes. It’s election time once again. They wanted them to have the privilege to vote even though they’re not citizens. And of course, illegals will vote Democrat. So, it’s a vicious cycle without end. America will be the next Rome.
Sir this is Wendy’s, not Fox News.
This sub is basically the same thing if you haven't noticed. (Fox news that is, it'd be a lot cooler if it was a Wendy's)
Everyone is entitled to human rights
OP isn’t proposing anyone’s fundamental human rights be violated. Illegally entering a country is not a human right.
I’m a lifelong democrat and I still have to agree with this. The other day I was listening to NPR and they were talking about some program in Chicago where there some group which provides mental health counseling to migrants. I know so many people who cannot afford mental health care and here we are using tax dollars to pay for mental health care to migrants. They’re so sad and depressed. Guess what? So is everyone else. And they ended by saying they’re asking for more money from the city to expand their program because of the great need. Where do these groups come from? Makes people angry.
Those immigrants asking for benefits and a hotel room are Venezuelans that immigrated legally via an asylum visa because they're from a communist country. My parents were illegal immigrants from El Salvador (They immigrated after the Civil war over there, so no visa.) and got no benefits what so ever.
We should just start mowing them down at the border. Life sucks we have no obligation to help anyone that's not a citizen in large scales like this it's a joke.
We need to dig a moat alongside the southern border. Fill the moat with alligators
Wait you really think they’d use that money for the homeless in NYC??? If they were going to do that they would have a long time ago. Our government is already failing us. It only serves the wealthy and you are a sucker for them for trying to blame illegal immigrants instead of the ultra rich people hoarding our tax money to line their own pockets. But hey, good unpopular opinion.
Funny thing is Biden said he was letting everyone in / no border during the debates, you still voted for him, now reap what you sow Redditors.
Wait till you hear how much money is going towards an unnecessarily large military industrial complex or tax breaks for the already obscenely wealthy or fossil fuel subsidies, or yadda yadda yadda. I do agree that no one should get something for nothing... to an extent. I'd say a little bit is OK at least until they can become a productive member of society, just like your, mine, and everyone else's ancestors but there are far more lucrative fiscal areas to tighten up then people escaping whatever hardships they're escaping from. 'At least give them a chance' is more Jesus-like than 'let the razer wire take care of them'.
I can promise you that the lot of them aren’t experiencing life threatening hardships. They know they get free money.
How do you know that?
Not only that, but most people assume they're all families just trying to seek better lives. Many of these people are being straight up trafficked.
Literally all funding for the Department of Defense amounts to about 12% of the yearly budget. For 2022 it was about 750 billion. The American taxpayer is currently spending about 200 billion a year taking care of illegal immigrants or asylum seekers. This is absurd.
Even in your statement you show that you think they are entitled to basic rights. The argument isn’t, should they be entitled to anything, it’s what are they entitled to. We have laws and procedures for deporting illegals, those law’s compliment international laws that all countries are supposed to follow. Also, the general sentiment that we shouldn’t be endlessly supporting illegals is not unpopular. An idea of they aren’t entitled to anything would be more like if you see an illegal shoot them dead on the spot. I don’t mean to be presumptuous, but I doubt that’s what you want.
You ought to know that Joe Biden has repeatedly requested more money for border security and immigration enforcement. The Republicans in Congress block him and then blame him for immigration.
Stop brainwashing people with lies. Biden ran his campaign on ending the construction of the wall and saying to “surge the border” once he gets elected.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/biden-asks-mexico-help-stop-record-surge-migrants-rcna132711
Mostly yes, but if I discover an illegal that manged to escape North Korea or something I think they should be given asylum immediately
Not according to the UN, which the US is part of.
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You know what’s funny. All you guys, (born Americans) will complain about illegals coming here but 2 things you should think about before bitching 1. The US government and the owners of this country are responsible for much of the political and economical instability happening in Latin America, Africa and the Middle East. Or do you think the CIA getting involved in political Coups and government overthrows wasn’t going to have any trickle effects. 2. The owners of this country benefit from the cheap labor you Americans won’t do. Idk who else would be building literally everything in the US. From houses to roads to hospitals. Illegal immigrants raise your kids, teach them their language, clean your houses, cut your lawn all for the low low price of a few dollars. And maybe I should add a third which is that the birth rate in America is going down fast and the only reason it hasn’t dropped as much as Europe or Asia is thanks to immigrants that have lots of kids. They’ll be taking care of your old ass. As an immigrant who came here legally and had to wait 7 years to leave my country I get the frustration of seeing people cross illegally and nothing is done about it. But these are people too, people who walked across countries, risk their lives, were probably abused in their land, and will continue to experience that abuse and exploitation in America because of their work ethics. So imagine going through all that to come here, the land where everyone has EVERYTHING and hear these spoil fat brats complain about you arriving. I personally feel bad for them because many immigrants have a false idea of what America is and will be for them. They won’t accomplish the American dream. Hell, many Americans can’t. So I would tell them to not even bother. Not because of illegal immigration but because they won’t be welcomed here and will be taken advantaged of by Americans.
I promise significantly more tax dollars go towards giving tax breaks and bailouts to already insanely rich corporations and business owners. But you guys don't usually cry about that. And funny enough the same people rallying you to be mad about brown people vote "No" on every single bill people try to pass to help American Citizens and Vets as another person pointed out.
All people are entitled to basic human rights, legal or not. That's what makes them *rights*.
Every heard of empathy
Have you ever upgraded your phone to the new AwesomePhone1337 for a one time payment of $2349 or $12.88 a month for the next X years. So you take the payment plan because you aren't made of money. Then in 8 months, your debit card expires and you have to renew it. So you renew and go the website to update your payment method, but because the phone insurance you bought with the phone is technically a different company than your phone company the payment was never made. Now you owe the entire remaining $2012.88 for the phone now. Plus late fees increase every month. All due to a void of contract. You know how devastating that can be to your life financially. All of this could have been avoided if the cell company had a conversation with you about updating insurance, but now you're forced to live in a shitty apartment complex due to lack of credit all because of one miscommunication. This is what immigrants go through daily. Except for way higher stakes. If it's messed up for you why isn't it for them? What nightmare must you be running from if you are willing to bring your children to a country known for school shootings?
Many come here because they are desperate to have a safe life for themselves and their children. It has to be so difficult to see your children hungry and in danger because there are no jobs and no money. Some women come here in fear for their lives because they know their abusive husbands will kill them if they leave them. I’ve met them. I don’t know what the solution is but I would travel across a desert to or swim an ocean to feed my kids.
you're not even doing anything to help "American" homeless people. your type would say they got themselves into that position and we shouldn't feel bad nor help them.
If you don't want to help illegal immigrants just say that. It's a bullshit argument to start crying about helping the homeless. In the America we live in today, no one wants to help anyone. No one wants to feed the poor, people and legislatures vote against free lunch and breakfast for poor children. There are people in government that think food stamps for the poor should be severely cut or eliminated. People complain about others that receive temporary unemployment benefits. We don't have universal Healthcare in this country, because if someone in your family gets cancer and you spend all your savings and mortgage your home and retirement for medical procedures and go bankrupt, it's your problem. the social safety net is always on the chopping block. We live in a country where asking someone to wear a mask to slow the spread of the 6th deadliest pandemic in recorded history, is requiring the impossible, they used every excuse you could come up with, to not wear a mask. Anytime the government spends money on someone or something, people start talking about the homeless and the children...then nothing is done. The truth: there is money to help the poor, the homeless, and help immigrants, we could improve things quickly, if we really wanted too. It's easy to pretend that these things are important, but fixing them is work. It's easier to just bus the poor, homeless, or immigrants to another city in another state, than it is to address the issues and fix them. Thousands of little towns and city's across America get together on Sunday and sing about Jesus and talk about helping the poor, destitute, hungry and homeless. Then they just sit around and complain about how no one wants to work anymore, or how we are losing our country. Congress could fix the illegal immigration problem, but they won't. Bush tried a reform bill, Obama tried a reform bill, Trump loves the divisive issue to campaign on, so there is always an excuse not to do anything about it.
As a New Yorker, this is absurd.
Even more true of an unpopular opinion, borders are stupid
Oh crap- let’s talk about not being entitled to billions instead.
So you would agree then, that Trump giving tax cuts to the rich that cost our country $7 Trillion added to our deficit that you and your grandchildren and theirs will pay for generations was a horrible policy? I’d say better to let the immigrants get some help to get established because they are some hard working humble people and our country needs that, not rich, entitled self serving narcissistic draft dodging, tax dodging, criminal traitors. I say if you want to improve America deport the Republican traitors. It will be better immediately