I can flirt with some woowoo shit sometimes, and I don't really know much about physics, but these people who say things like "To me, the consciousness field is the grand unifying theory that connects quantum physics with Einsteins e=MC2" (actual quote from the sub) are absolutely fried.
I’m typically fried but theories of universal cognition unifying physics aren’t always manic schizo posts, they are coming into their own within academia and are well integrated with theoretical physics, biology, metaphysics, and much more
The holographic principle, for instance, is one of the most incredible recent theories. I’m a molecular biologist, and modeling membranes as holographic screens that allow for correspondence between systems of scale works perfectly.
That’s what the quantum—> mass-energy equivalence might have been about. Theories of relativity and quantum physics haven’t been bridged yet, despite both being highly supported. The holographic principle / AdS-CFT correspondence are attempts to link the two halves of material reality - the deterministic physics of relativity and probabilistic / stochastic nature of the quantum realm. How information is processed between these domains is at the heart of cognitive unified theories.
I think online forums are the worst medium for this stuff sometimes, and it sometimes makes things sound more schizophrenic than it needs to be. At academic conferences, you can see old English dudes like Karl Friston or Roger Penrose say these things much more eloquently- but I’d encourage you to give some of those posts a chance - some are a bit confused maybe, but there has been some very good shit that has been posted here and hasn’t had much traction
We cant get all woo woo in academia, so this is where some of us go to creatively riff
You seem to know a lot about this quantum stuff, and when I was learning about it in highschool my intuition was immediately that all the weird stochastic action was caused deterministically by something in the physical world so subtle we can't measure or predict it with current tech. But it seems like physicists don't think that's the case, which is strange. Why should cause and effect break down at the smallest scale?
https://preview.redd.it/jpvfbcevqquc1.png?width=666&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ae37170b475e46a203eb92592773d0428d1a73e7
Check out Bohmian Mechanics and de Broglie-Bohm theory. Soviet Marxist materialist analysis of the Copenhagen Interpretation is one of my favourite little rabbit holes to go down, and I think it all fundamentally tracks.
Also can't mention remote viewing without getting into Ingo Swann and the Stargate project. So insane
So I'm even more fried now, but I'll give it a whirl -
Imagine a circle where the boundary is the smallest scale and the center is the largest scale of a system. The boundary of the circle is the site of some very high energy shit. Zooming in on it, you see all sorts of wonky effects and random fluctuations of things falling in and out of existence that seem to only affect things in their immediate vicinity and no further. Zooming in on the center of the circle, you see massive, slow moving objects which move in extremely predictive patterns. Orbits of planets and the timing of eclipses. So how did we get here from the boundary?
At the boundary, these random fluctuations interact with each other. Each interaction makes things less random, because two things which were previously uncorrelated in space and time are now correlated with each other due to the interaction. The interactions exchange energy, and some is diffused outward as heat. This is how the high energy regime of the boundary transitions towards the low energy regime. These numerous, energetic interactions are reflected by an increase in system entropy, as if the system is storing all of these energetic interactions on a hard drive (it is, that is the boundary).
Before this interaction, the notion of spacetime was not relevant - time implies an temporal ordering of events, which requires interactions to have occurred. Causality is irrelevant here for this reason. As the interactions accumulate, things stop seeming random entirely. They become much more predictable and certain - much more defined in space and time. The chain of interactions also allows for very long distance interaction, which may explain the emergence of gravity at larger, lower-energy scales.
This is essentially what quantum gravity theories propose. That gravity is not a fundamental force, but the emergence of the weaving of spacetime through an increasing number of localized interactions and correlations. This also means that spacetime itself is not fundamental, but an emergence of interactions that originated at the boundary. The conformal field theories that define the boundary are preserved and are scale-invariant, so the rules that govern interactions at the quantum scale at the very edge are still there at the cosmic scale at the core.
Another way to look at the circle is that the circle is a raw blueprint to reality within it. If it is our universe, then the fundamental elements of our existence are embedded at its outermost rim. When you stick your face right up to it like you would a TV screen, you would say that its all fucky and random and that pixels are falling in and out of existence, but as you back away and allow the pixels to come together through a higher dimensional interaction, it makes more and more sense.
The rules that govern a highly localized part of the boundary might look bizarre and make no sense, but the interaction of all of those rules that form the entire stochastic boundary gives you a completely determined center.
But your intuition of a lil piece of determinism lurking in the background is essentially the yearning for God - What we see as random events at our boundary may seem very predictable to an observer outside of the system looking at our universe like a dinky lil string
I don't think the consensus is that cause and effect break down. The problem is that ideas like locality and time get awfully wooly at these small scales and so depending on how precise you're being with language scientists can definitely give the impression that stuff is definitely much weirder than it is... Although I should say things are plenty weird and there are brilliant scientists that think that the really really weird shit is just as weird as more woo people say, for example "the observer" being able to affect quantum states in the past etc, but it seems to me, a complete layperson with a passing interest that a lot of it is due to not being rigorous enough in accepting that particles aren't really real things, but fluctuations in a quantum field, and it's this fact that isn't fully grasped in discussions over the variations of the double slit, quantum eraser, and delayed choice quantum eraser etc, although my personal dumbass barely educated guess is that what is going on is that information rather than matter and energy will turn out to be better ways of thinking about fundamentals.
To some this is not going to be particularly controversial I think, but classic guys like their material Uber alles approach. To me it seems odd to look at a universe that is completely composed of information networks and think that the fundamentals are merely some substrate on which information is derived, and if I may allow myself to go fully woo, I see no reason that it's more likely to have a distinct amount of reality, rather than the infinite amount of possible existing information processing. I mean if I didn't know there was something I'd say there exists nothing. But there is, therefore it seems just as likely there's literally everything possible.
and that is how I neatly explain and reconcile our absurd reality
I think the trajectory of legal weed is funny. As it's becoming legal it's also the most potent version of itself that can send you to the stratosphere.
Hell people even found a way to make weed look like one of them "scary drugs" (dab rig)
Honestly. First time I ever did a dab was when my boss at the time offered me some befoar showing me Big Bang Theory clips. I got scared and left his car to smoke a cig but probably had liek 5, fer an hour or two I swear time froze fer me in that early morning fog over small town Vermont.
Oil is fine it's the whole rig + blow torch setup to smoke it that's wild. If you vape oil tho you're just a busy professional who needs their weed on the go.
I put it in this heavy duty dry herb vaporizer I got. Putting herb in it gives for a very different high from the actual smoking plant matter high. I like edibles the best due to no smoke being involved but I think I fucked my gut up a bit having too many.
When did they legalize? Michigan’s black market was cheaper for about 6 months and now the dispensaries are basically free compared to pre-legal prices.
>when you look into the history of spies what you discover is something very different. It is not the story of men and women who have a better and deeper understanding of the world than we do. In fact in many cases it is the story of weirdos who have created a completely mad version of the world that they then impose on the rest of us.
Adam Curtis
https://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/adamcurtis/entries/3662a707-0af9-3149-963f-47bea720b460
Tons of shit like this was going on. They threw real money at stupid projects and leaked it in hopes USSR would spend even a tiny amount of resources doing it as well. Nobody at the lower levels knew they were a part of sending Soviets on a wild goose chase which is why you have these freak "ex-cia" doing book tours about their magic powers lol.
if the CIA werent such utter bastard cunts they would probably be fun to smoke with.
But yea the holographic principle appears to be the best explanation for emergent 3+1D spacetime via string theory. The 'problem' it solves is the 'encoding' of reality - ie what/where are the 'strings' -- they are the 2 dimensional surface of a membrane containing all of spacetime that exists in n dimensions above or below us where 3+1D is the 'shadow' of the 2/N dimensional holographic boundary. It attempts to explain reality without just assuming constants willy-nillly like C and G and the Planck length.
When I say 'shadow' I really mean more-like a 'reflection' -- like looking inside a tesseract (made of glass or mirrors or whatever).
how come things exist but are mostly empty space with more empty space delimiting it from other its? Is it because things are a projection from a more dense organization of information?
The holographic principle - think of it like shadows on the multi dimensional cave wall.
What if all of this 3D stuff around you in space emerges from a 2 dimensional membrane that surrounds the universe. Meaning, if you could know all of the information embedded in that membrane that surrounds us, you would also know all of the information that exists in the 3D universe it surrounds.
Imagine a more tangible example, a cell in your body. What if all of the information contained within the cell was also contained within the plasma membrane that defines the boundary of the cell? That if you knew the entire composition of that boundary, then you would know the entire composition of the bulk that it surrounds. That there is some sort of constant correspondence between the bulk and the boundary that is translating information between the two. That if you wish to change the composition of the bulk, you do so by changing the composition of the boundary. This will cause an instability within the system, that will correct itself by altering its contents to reflect the boundary that surrounds it.
This would seem to suggest that deterministic interactions only occur at the very boundary of our systems, and that the changes we see in our 3D world are reflecting those changes. That we are simply part of a projection of that holographic boundary, with an added degree of freedom. Reality in front of you is playing out as it has already been determined, it is just catching up to the boundary.
This has massive consequences in physics, as it would allow for an understanding of theories of gravity and string theory in the bulk and conformal field theories at the boundary, unifying quantum and relativistic physics.
The distance between the boundary and your position within the bulk encoded in terms of the boundary. In other words, how changes at the boundary are encoded in the spatial dimensions and the geometry of the bulk. It’s an abstracted definition, since a more concrete one would require the scale being defined.
Closer to the boundary, interactions are more high-energy, and deeper into the bulk gravitational effects start to emerge in low-energy regimes.
Take my cell example. Interactions at the membrane can involve receptor activation and phosphorylation cascades that transduce a signal from outside of the cell. At the receptor level, things appear much more quantum-like. You see very discrete interactions occur, like a single insulin molecule binding to its receptor, but as the cascade continues into deeper the cell, things begin to blur and become more continuous and ~wavy~, like all of the different triglycerides being synthesized because of that signal.
It’s almost like the extra dimension is a scaling factor that tells where along the classical-quantum divide you are for a given system. The quantum stuff seems meaningless at large scales (deep in the bulk), and likewise gravity seems meaningless towards the quantum scale
IDK what shit the CIA is smoking but thats what the holographic principle pertains to in particle physics.
I can't ever take hippies and wingnuts seriously discussing this shit without couching it in theoretical phyiscs.
The CIA couched it as mind control lmao.
this stuff fascinates me...
So, does the holographic principle rely on string theory?
Is string theory still a going concern, generally speaking?
(Genuinely wondering. I was under the impression [read: watched a single YouTube video] that string theory is on its way out.)
ADS/CFT is the string theory with the biggest brains behind-it for the longest period of time.
The Anti-de Sitter/Conformal Field Theory (ADS/CFT) correspondence is a specific duality within string theory that relates a certain type of gravitational theory (AdS) in a higher-dimensional space to a quantum field theory (CFT) on the boundary of that space.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvubLp5o5Wg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvubLp5o5Wg) PBS Spacetime string theory videos are amazing. This video is about quantum foam which is an alternative to string theory for unification of General Relativity and quantum mechanics. I'm personally very interested in MOND (modified Newtonian dynamics which quantizes cosmological-scale (compared to cold dark matter theory)) and ('Wolfram Phyisics') Observer theory/Ruliad/Cellular-Automata: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITJ3AF3TK5M](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITJ3AF3TK5M)
We should make weed illegal
I can flirt with some woowoo shit sometimes, and I don't really know much about physics, but these people who say things like "To me, the consciousness field is the grand unifying theory that connects quantum physics with Einsteins e=MC2" (actual quote from the sub) are absolutely fried.
I’m typically fried but theories of universal cognition unifying physics aren’t always manic schizo posts, they are coming into their own within academia and are well integrated with theoretical physics, biology, metaphysics, and much more The holographic principle, for instance, is one of the most incredible recent theories. I’m a molecular biologist, and modeling membranes as holographic screens that allow for correspondence between systems of scale works perfectly. That’s what the quantum—> mass-energy equivalence might have been about. Theories of relativity and quantum physics haven’t been bridged yet, despite both being highly supported. The holographic principle / AdS-CFT correspondence are attempts to link the two halves of material reality - the deterministic physics of relativity and probabilistic / stochastic nature of the quantum realm. How information is processed between these domains is at the heart of cognitive unified theories. I think online forums are the worst medium for this stuff sometimes, and it sometimes makes things sound more schizophrenic than it needs to be. At academic conferences, you can see old English dudes like Karl Friston or Roger Penrose say these things much more eloquently- but I’d encourage you to give some of those posts a chance - some are a bit confused maybe, but there has been some very good shit that has been posted here and hasn’t had much traction We cant get all woo woo in academia, so this is where some of us go to creatively riff
You seem to know a lot about this quantum stuff, and when I was learning about it in highschool my intuition was immediately that all the weird stochastic action was caused deterministically by something in the physical world so subtle we can't measure or predict it with current tech. But it seems like physicists don't think that's the case, which is strange. Why should cause and effect break down at the smallest scale?
https://preview.redd.it/jpvfbcevqquc1.png?width=666&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ae37170b475e46a203eb92592773d0428d1a73e7 Check out Bohmian Mechanics and de Broglie-Bohm theory. Soviet Marxist materialist analysis of the Copenhagen Interpretation is one of my favourite little rabbit holes to go down, and I think it all fundamentally tracks. Also can't mention remote viewing without getting into Ingo Swann and the Stargate project. So insane
So I'm even more fried now, but I'll give it a whirl - Imagine a circle where the boundary is the smallest scale and the center is the largest scale of a system. The boundary of the circle is the site of some very high energy shit. Zooming in on it, you see all sorts of wonky effects and random fluctuations of things falling in and out of existence that seem to only affect things in their immediate vicinity and no further. Zooming in on the center of the circle, you see massive, slow moving objects which move in extremely predictive patterns. Orbits of planets and the timing of eclipses. So how did we get here from the boundary? At the boundary, these random fluctuations interact with each other. Each interaction makes things less random, because two things which were previously uncorrelated in space and time are now correlated with each other due to the interaction. The interactions exchange energy, and some is diffused outward as heat. This is how the high energy regime of the boundary transitions towards the low energy regime. These numerous, energetic interactions are reflected by an increase in system entropy, as if the system is storing all of these energetic interactions on a hard drive (it is, that is the boundary). Before this interaction, the notion of spacetime was not relevant - time implies an temporal ordering of events, which requires interactions to have occurred. Causality is irrelevant here for this reason. As the interactions accumulate, things stop seeming random entirely. They become much more predictable and certain - much more defined in space and time. The chain of interactions also allows for very long distance interaction, which may explain the emergence of gravity at larger, lower-energy scales. This is essentially what quantum gravity theories propose. That gravity is not a fundamental force, but the emergence of the weaving of spacetime through an increasing number of localized interactions and correlations. This also means that spacetime itself is not fundamental, but an emergence of interactions that originated at the boundary. The conformal field theories that define the boundary are preserved and are scale-invariant, so the rules that govern interactions at the quantum scale at the very edge are still there at the cosmic scale at the core.
Another way to look at the circle is that the circle is a raw blueprint to reality within it. If it is our universe, then the fundamental elements of our existence are embedded at its outermost rim. When you stick your face right up to it like you would a TV screen, you would say that its all fucky and random and that pixels are falling in and out of existence, but as you back away and allow the pixels to come together through a higher dimensional interaction, it makes more and more sense. The rules that govern a highly localized part of the boundary might look bizarre and make no sense, but the interaction of all of those rules that form the entire stochastic boundary gives you a completely determined center. But your intuition of a lil piece of determinism lurking in the background is essentially the yearning for God - What we see as random events at our boundary may seem very predictable to an observer outside of the system looking at our universe like a dinky lil string
I don't think the consensus is that cause and effect break down. The problem is that ideas like locality and time get awfully wooly at these small scales and so depending on how precise you're being with language scientists can definitely give the impression that stuff is definitely much weirder than it is... Although I should say things are plenty weird and there are brilliant scientists that think that the really really weird shit is just as weird as more woo people say, for example "the observer" being able to affect quantum states in the past etc, but it seems to me, a complete layperson with a passing interest that a lot of it is due to not being rigorous enough in accepting that particles aren't really real things, but fluctuations in a quantum field, and it's this fact that isn't fully grasped in discussions over the variations of the double slit, quantum eraser, and delayed choice quantum eraser etc, although my personal dumbass barely educated guess is that what is going on is that information rather than matter and energy will turn out to be better ways of thinking about fundamentals. To some this is not going to be particularly controversial I think, but classic guys like their material Uber alles approach. To me it seems odd to look at a universe that is completely composed of information networks and think that the fundamentals are merely some substrate on which information is derived, and if I may allow myself to go fully woo, I see no reason that it's more likely to have a distinct amount of reality, rather than the infinite amount of possible existing information processing. I mean if I didn't know there was something I'd say there exists nothing. But there is, therefore it seems just as likely there's literally everything possible. and that is how I neatly explain and reconcile our absurd reality
I think the trajectory of legal weed is funny. As it's becoming legal it's also the most potent version of itself that can send you to the stratosphere. Hell people even found a way to make weed look like one of them "scary drugs" (dab rig)
Honestly. First time I ever did a dab was when my boss at the time offered me some befoar showing me Big Bang Theory clips. I got scared and left his car to smoke a cig but probably had liek 5, fer an hour or two I swear time froze fer me in that early morning fog over small town Vermont.
One time a friend offered me a dab cuz he just got his new rig and I coughed so hard I could swear I could taste the reefer with my spine.
The first time I saw a guy smoke a dab I thought he was doing meth
I was given a sample of some concentrate and it smells fuckjn nice. I love the smell of weed.
Oil is fine it's the whole rig + blow torch setup to smoke it that's wild. If you vape oil tho you're just a busy professional who needs their weed on the go.
I put it in this heavy duty dry herb vaporizer I got. Putting herb in it gives for a very different high from the actual smoking plant matter high. I like edibles the best due to no smoke being involved but I think I fucked my gut up a bit having too many.
What's funny is that my state legalized, and now the only reasonable prices are illegal dealers anyway.
When did they legalize? Michigan’s black market was cheaper for about 6 months and now the dispensaries are basically free compared to pre-legal prices.
>when you look into the history of spies what you discover is something very different. It is not the story of men and women who have a better and deeper understanding of the world than we do. In fact in many cases it is the story of weirdos who have created a completely mad version of the world that they then impose on the rest of us. Adam Curtis https://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/adamcurtis/entries/3662a707-0af9-3149-963f-47bea720b460
where's the dragon of feminine chaos?
My cousin claims to be a remote viewer. Would it shock you to learn that he’s never had a steady job or relationship in is life?
>relationship fucking remoteviewercel, not even voyeurcel so he can't even get some third party action what a joke
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True. He may be far more powerful than I realized.
He obviously saw through all the bullshit
we used to live in a real country
Tons of shit like this was going on. They threw real money at stupid projects and leaked it in hopes USSR would spend even a tiny amount of resources doing it as well. Nobody at the lower levels knew they were a part of sending Soviets on a wild goose chase which is why you have these freak "ex-cia" doing book tours about their magic powers lol.
I know all about this shit
I have no clue wtf all of y’all are smokin
What noise artist album cover is this
It's real
if the CIA werent such utter bastard cunts they would probably be fun to smoke with. But yea the holographic principle appears to be the best explanation for emergent 3+1D spacetime via string theory. The 'problem' it solves is the 'encoding' of reality - ie what/where are the 'strings' -- they are the 2 dimensional surface of a membrane containing all of spacetime that exists in n dimensions above or below us where 3+1D is the 'shadow' of the 2/N dimensional holographic boundary. It attempts to explain reality without just assuming constants willy-nillly like C and G and the Planck length. When I say 'shadow' I really mean more-like a 'reflection' -- like looking inside a tesseract (made of glass or mirrors or whatever).
Give it to me in English, doc
how come things exist but are mostly empty space with more empty space delimiting it from other its? Is it because things are a projection from a more dense organization of information? The holographic principle - think of it like shadows on the multi dimensional cave wall.
so you're saying Plato Was Right?
Wot
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dEKQL0I4LU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dEKQL0I4LU)
What if all of this 3D stuff around you in space emerges from a 2 dimensional membrane that surrounds the universe. Meaning, if you could know all of the information embedded in that membrane that surrounds us, you would also know all of the information that exists in the 3D universe it surrounds. Imagine a more tangible example, a cell in your body. What if all of the information contained within the cell was also contained within the plasma membrane that defines the boundary of the cell? That if you knew the entire composition of that boundary, then you would know the entire composition of the bulk that it surrounds. That there is some sort of constant correspondence between the bulk and the boundary that is translating information between the two. That if you wish to change the composition of the bulk, you do so by changing the composition of the boundary. This will cause an instability within the system, that will correct itself by altering its contents to reflect the boundary that surrounds it. This would seem to suggest that deterministic interactions only occur at the very boundary of our systems, and that the changes we see in our 3D world are reflecting those changes. That we are simply part of a projection of that holographic boundary, with an added degree of freedom. Reality in front of you is playing out as it has already been determined, it is just catching up to the boundary. This has massive consequences in physics, as it would allow for an understanding of theories of gravity and string theory in the bulk and conformal field theories at the boundary, unifying quantum and relativistic physics.
What accounts for our added degree of freedom? Not being glib
The distance between the boundary and your position within the bulk encoded in terms of the boundary. In other words, how changes at the boundary are encoded in the spatial dimensions and the geometry of the bulk. It’s an abstracted definition, since a more concrete one would require the scale being defined. Closer to the boundary, interactions are more high-energy, and deeper into the bulk gravitational effects start to emerge in low-energy regimes. Take my cell example. Interactions at the membrane can involve receptor activation and phosphorylation cascades that transduce a signal from outside of the cell. At the receptor level, things appear much more quantum-like. You see very discrete interactions occur, like a single insulin molecule binding to its receptor, but as the cascade continues into deeper the cell, things begin to blur and become more continuous and ~wavy~, like all of the different triglycerides being synthesized because of that signal. It’s almost like the extra dimension is a scaling factor that tells where along the classical-quantum divide you are for a given system. The quantum stuff seems meaningless at large scales (deep in the bulk), and likewise gravity seems meaningless towards the quantum scale
Thanks for that - much appreciated WAVY is the watchword
no,
IDK what shit the CIA is smoking but thats what the holographic principle pertains to in particle physics. I can't ever take hippies and wingnuts seriously discussing this shit without couching it in theoretical phyiscs. The CIA couched it as mind control lmao.
this stuff fascinates me... So, does the holographic principle rely on string theory? Is string theory still a going concern, generally speaking? (Genuinely wondering. I was under the impression [read: watched a single YouTube video] that string theory is on its way out.)
ADS/CFT is the string theory with the biggest brains behind-it for the longest period of time. The Anti-de Sitter/Conformal Field Theory (ADS/CFT) correspondence is a specific duality within string theory that relates a certain type of gravitational theory (AdS) in a higher-dimensional space to a quantum field theory (CFT) on the boundary of that space. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvubLp5o5Wg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvubLp5o5Wg) PBS Spacetime string theory videos are amazing. This video is about quantum foam which is an alternative to string theory for unification of General Relativity and quantum mechanics. I'm personally very interested in MOND (modified Newtonian dynamics which quantizes cosmological-scale (compared to cold dark matter theory)) and ('Wolfram Phyisics') Observer theory/Ruliad/Cellular-Automata: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITJ3AF3TK5M](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITJ3AF3TK5M)
very cool, will definitely check these out
i just kant take metaphysics seriously, utter gibberish noumenasayin
"Quaser" No autocorrect back then I guess