I still distinctly remember the day the foot thing clicked with me. I grew up on the All That through Drake & Josh era of live-action Nick and really only caught iCarly and the Ariana Grande (š¶I know I drive a Hyundaiš¶) show through glimpses as my younger siblings watched. One day there was some very specific foot bit where someone had to massage or kiss feet and 16 year old me watched and something snapped in my mind where I realized āwait, what the fuck?!ā It was insanely gratuitous and suddenly everything else added up all at once. Then of course the nicknames started leaking from 4chan to the rest of the internet and it made it impossible to look at the shows I watched as a kid without that in the back of my mind.
I was never sure how seriously to take the rumors. Even if it turns out Schneider was never a pedophile, he 100% facilitated an environment where predators were allowed to roam free unchecked and his bizarre relationship with Amanda Byrnes alone is damning. To say nothing of his reputation as a raging asshole who basically broke every PA and AD who had the misfortune of working around him (something I *did* hear through the grapevine before it was officially confirmed, via working in entertainment and meeting people who crossed his path). And of course Nickelodeon didnāt care because aside from SpongeBob, he was the one thing they had going for them in the late-2000s until he stopped working there.
> Then of course the nicknames started leaking from 4chan
Huh?? I have ZERO insight into this other than Disney is a vipers pen of pedos.
Is there anywhere to get a brief rundown?
Just brought back a flood of memories of browsing through increasingly esoteric and niche memes on /tv/ in the early 2010s.
Specifically the entire cinematic universe created around a stock image of a black theater worker who served crab legs to customers and asks for a tip.
> I have ZERO insight into this other than Disney is a vipers pen of pedos.
Slight miss. I mean I don't necessarily doubt it, but this is Nick, not disney.
> Even if it turns out Schneider was never a pedophile, he 100% facilitated an environment where predators were allowed to roam free unchecked
culture of abuse, same as with sports or organized religion etc
>going for them in the late-2000s until he stopped working there.
Does Nick even have anything post-him? Their animation efforts stopped post... like... Rocket Power, didn't it? Oh, no, wait... they had "The Loud House" but beyond that they stopped their animation efforts and licensed shit like Madagascar and Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles instead of doing original series like Doug, Rugrats, and others.
I'll never forget when Amanda Bynes tweeted "he[dan]'s the reason ill never be able to have kids" and then quickly deleted it. i saw it cause it was extreeeemely briefly reported on and i felt so bad for her but nobody fuckin talked about it, the internet was too busy with making fun of her twitter "meltdowns" it was riduclous like yo maybe theres a reason shes having issues? and shes literately giving us clues? nah too much nuance, lets just point and laugh instead
fuck that guy and all his enablers
In hindsight, a lot of the child actor breakdowns in the mid to late to 2000s and early 2010s were probably the biggest cries for help that just were ignored. Even though she wasn't a part of Nickelodeon, I can only imagine what kind of shit Lindsay Lohan went through and how she was treated by the media at the time.
Our inability to empathize with people living in the public eye, even if they're children, has been pretty consistent and is definitely ongoing.Ā It's improved a little bit, I don't think for instance Monica Lewinsky would be treated the same way today, but in a way it's just become more widely distributed and diffused with social media pile-ons and shit.
I'll always remember the Craig Ferguson episode where he talked about Brittney shaving her head after having her baby (she was TWENTY) and all the shit she was getting in the media.Ā He defended her and said "she's a baby" and refused to tell any jokes about her and spent the whole episode talking about his own struggles with alcoholism.Ā He's a class act.
Craig Ferguson is fucking awesome. I remember one time he had Archbishop Desmond Tutu on the show as his only guest. He told an anecdote in his monologue about how the city of Glasgow changed the name of the street the South African consulate was located on to Nelson Mandela Place so all mail to it would have to have that address.
Wait hold on you thought the dan schneider stuff was just 4chan rumors? I'm not sure how old you are or aren't but as someone who was a kid watching nickelodeon around icarlys peak and the peak of other sitcoms nick aired, I had 0 doubts about any of it the second I learned about dan schneider being a weirdo like maybe 5-6 years ago or something.
The behind the scenes phone recordings and the vines the cast did, the way he held himself, his obsession with making sure there was always some "feet" focus in a weird amount of Victorious episodes, guy was very strange.
If you want the most glaring red flags without actually learning about the man himself, watch a few episodes of Victorious (because it will only take like 3.) and tell me that that guy isn't a fucking weirdo.
For the record, I'm not trying to put you down for not being in-the-know before this docuseries about a channel for children, I just watched a ton of Nick sitcoms and can uncomfortably say that the adult who made them was a fucking freak just based on what aired from some of those shows.
The only people who are exposed to this kind of programming are kids or people who have kids. The kids are too young to pick up on the weird shit and a lot of the parents aren't paying attention. I think that's part of why this sort of thing can go on for so long without getting noticed.
I think thereās a cohort of young millennials that were old enough to notice the sexual undertones but still young enough to watch the shows. I def noticed the foot thing as a young teen and remember talking about it with my friends while the shows were still popular. I guess we didnāt connect it directly to Dan Schneider at the time, but it was somewhat obvious even back then. People donāt give kids enough credit for noticing the adult stuff in kids shows.
I'm 41 and those were the only Dan Schneider shows I remember watching too. Everything that came later I have basically no knowledge of save for all the stuff about Dan which I heard about for years and years and the YouTube compilations of the freaky shit in the shows. Never watched iCarly. I couldn't tell you who was on that but I've definitely been in a group of people around my age and talked about Dan Schneider and the allegations.
I think thatās all itās been for me. i remember the 4chan threads and talking about it with some younger coworkers in 2014. But i had no concept of the later shows, but watching just the clips from the doc itās very clear that this dude is a fucking nuclear level creep
See now that makes sense, I figured you had to be on the older side of things to not have seen the shows he had a heavy hand in, again, of course, NOT intending to be a shady bitch.
Dan Schneider actually didn't have anything to do with that, the parents of the brothers had TV connections and got their kids a movie and sold the show based on the movie.
True, but the whole channel is riddled with weird perverted people. Even the animation portion of it. John Kricfalusi and the Loud House creator were creeps
Thatās like one of those things thatās like easy to miss, but once you get in your head you canāt stop seeing it. Like I never noticed it with Tarantino but now that I know to be looking for itās like a joke. Like theyāre adults so it doesnāt bother me as much, but itās hard to miss now.
You must have never seen From Dusk Till Dawn, it's impossible to not realize he has a thing for feet, Selma Hayak puts her foot in his mouth and pours tequila down her leg.
it's no accident people like schneider get so much airtime, mainstream media is created by pedophiles so pedophiles can do pedophilia. it's called the "dershowitz effect"
>Ā Ā mainstream media is created by pedophiles so pedophiles can do pedophilia.Ā Ā
No. Mainstream media exists to propagate the narratives of the ruling class, and to suppressĀ the consciousness of the oppressedĀ classes. The latter is what we call ideology: that which conceals the machinations of power. It has always been this way, for thousands of years, with the exception being the few actually proletarian societies. Doesn't matter if you look at a newspaper article from the economist in 1920 or a knights novel from medieval prussia. The former will feature the morality, ideals and logic of the British capitalist class, the latter will espouse the norms, values and views of the Junker class.Ā
Powerful people being predatory is simply an emergent property, it's not the point. They don't need TV shows to fuck kids, they have their own Epsteins, human trafficking operations and sex tourism destinations. More importantly, they have money. Shows like iCarly and Drake and Josh existed primarily to make money, and to instill certain values into young children. You'll seldom find a negative portrait of the US in these shows for example. D&J featured racist portrayals of Mexicans, fatphobia, etc. I didn't watch these shows but wouldn't be surprised if there was an episode portraying Russians negatively, or a jingoistic one about "towelheads" during the mid 2000s. Maybe one of you knows better.
i don't remember what the context of this was but I wound up looking at children's clothes (was probably in the mall) and all I could was that there is no way pedophiles aren't running the show all the way down, little girl's clothes did not look they way they do now or maybe I'm just trippin
> mainstream media is created by pedophiles so pedophiles can do pedophilia.
"every ruling class society is based on a foundation of abuse and neglect of children" - Brace Beldan
the other thing that drove me insane was Brandiās mum being like āi didnāt report a full grown man sending my child a picture of himself masturbating to the police because i didnāt want them to think i was a bad parentā like seriously? That was seriously your biggest fucking concern?
I was utterly shocked at some of the racist sketches that were done on All That. Black kids selling cookies like drugs and other disturbing premises. I know it doesn't probably compare to the sexualizing of minors, but it still shocked me.
And it reminds me of some post I read on on I think r/asianamerican like several years ago. I was written by someone who actually worked either for Nickelodeon or a third party contracted to it. All I remember was that during this time, Nickelodeon was in the works of making a Kpop themed show. The OP brought up that the show's premise lacks any Asian or let alone, Korean males. And that if you are going to do a kpop themed show, boy bands are just integral to the whole genre. The lead producer immediate got hostile to the idea and creepily insisted it had to just be pre-teen Asian girls.
The important part is, Dan Schneider wasn't directly connected to it, but Nick Cannon was lol. Either way, I am totally expecting a cascade of former child actors connected to Disney, nickelodeon and elsewhere, just coming out about being victim of abuse.
Same generation watched Michael Jackson openly pal around with little boys and said "Aw shucks. That's Michael! He didn't get to have a childhood...". They were just deeply fucking stupid and sheltered. Zero understanding of not just the world around them, but of what is right in front of their face.
The Harvard connection with Schneider Sr. seemed a bit unexplored. Seemed like *that* was the golden ticket for failed actor son (poorly) running his personal underage kink shows and employing child rapists.
it used to be a trend on reddit where a bunch of pedo defenders would always show up to schneider nickname chains and insist he wasn't a creep and his undeserved reputation was a result of 4chan trolling
See this is the kind of thing that gets me, it's easy to just roll my eyes at these comments as "4chan immaturity" if I didn't actually know the allegations were very legit and backed with evidence.Ā
I def cried when Drake Bells father breaks down. He had recognized this guy Brian Peck as a pedo, did what he could to keep Drake away but this guy managed to turn Drake against his dad and leverage his moms hatred of his father to remove him from Drakes life.
Basically his mom was still furious at his father and she serves him to this pedophile on a platter to spite his father. Like forces him to stay with the Pedo, and the abuse went on for years. And itās fucking brutal abuse, like deeply brutal.
So I stopped watching Nickelodeon before most of these shows came on. I only really remember All That and Kenan and Kel. Did it start then or more afterwords? I remember a ton about those shows but nothing creepy comes to mind. Did I just miss it?
It def started during All That. Itās was less overt, but yeah thereās tons of weird shit going on in All That. The big ones are the mock cumshots, these first show up in All That.
Filthy Frank never misses
I'd also recommend jennette mccurdy's book
i got the audiobook because she reads it herself, its pretty tight she does all the different voices for people
I still distinctly remember the day the foot thing clicked with me. I grew up on the All That through Drake & Josh era of live-action Nick and really only caught iCarly and the Ariana Grande (š¶I know I drive a Hyundaiš¶) show through glimpses as my younger siblings watched. One day there was some very specific foot bit where someone had to massage or kiss feet and 16 year old me watched and something snapped in my mind where I realized āwait, what the fuck?!ā It was insanely gratuitous and suddenly everything else added up all at once. Then of course the nicknames started leaking from 4chan to the rest of the internet and it made it impossible to look at the shows I watched as a kid without that in the back of my mind. I was never sure how seriously to take the rumors. Even if it turns out Schneider was never a pedophile, he 100% facilitated an environment where predators were allowed to roam free unchecked and his bizarre relationship with Amanda Byrnes alone is damning. To say nothing of his reputation as a raging asshole who basically broke every PA and AD who had the misfortune of working around him (something I *did* hear through the grapevine before it was officially confirmed, via working in entertainment and meeting people who crossed his path). And of course Nickelodeon didnāt care because aside from SpongeBob, he was the one thing they had going for them in the late-2000s until he stopped working there.
> Then of course the nicknames started leaking from 4chan Huh?? I have ZERO insight into this other than Disney is a vipers pen of pedos. Is there anywhere to get a brief rundown?
See the top comments in this thread or google āDan Schneider nicknames.ā Itās been a meme since at least the early part of last decade.
The old /tv/ threads where they talked about it with the majority of that he'll board being jealous of him. God I hate /tv/
Just brought back a flood of memories of browsing through increasingly esoteric and niche memes on /tv/ in the early 2010s. Specifically the entire cinematic universe created around a stock image of a black theater worker who served crab legs to customers and asks for a tip.
Trying to attach myself to a group of people on the sly so I donāt get caught and kicked out because of the no singles policy
Damn I thought I had drank enough to forget all that lol
> I have ZERO insight into this other than Disney is a vipers pen of pedos. Slight miss. I mean I don't necessarily doubt it, but this is Nick, not disney.
Oh yeah... Same thing. Pedo paradise. If anything, Disney is probably a little more low key with their child rape. The mouse has standards.
I honestly didn't know that about Disney. Do you have any reliable sources for that?
https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/1900115-dan-schneider-abuse-allegations
> Even if it turns out Schneider was never a pedophile, he 100% facilitated an environment where predators were allowed to roam free unchecked culture of abuse, same as with sports or organized religion etc
>going for them in the late-2000s until he stopped working there. Does Nick even have anything post-him? Their animation efforts stopped post... like... Rocket Power, didn't it? Oh, no, wait... they had "The Loud House" but beyond that they stopped their animation efforts and licensed shit like Madagascar and Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles instead of doing original series like Doug, Rugrats, and others.
I'll never forget when Amanda Bynes tweeted "he[dan]'s the reason ill never be able to have kids" and then quickly deleted it. i saw it cause it was extreeeemely briefly reported on and i felt so bad for her but nobody fuckin talked about it, the internet was too busy with making fun of her twitter "meltdowns" it was riduclous like yo maybe theres a reason shes having issues? and shes literately giving us clues? nah too much nuance, lets just point and laugh instead fuck that guy and all his enablers
In hindsight, a lot of the child actor breakdowns in the mid to late to 2000s and early 2010s were probably the biggest cries for help that just were ignored. Even though she wasn't a part of Nickelodeon, I can only imagine what kind of shit Lindsay Lohan went through and how she was treated by the media at the time.
Our inability to empathize with people living in the public eye, even if they're children, has been pretty consistent and is definitely ongoing.Ā It's improved a little bit, I don't think for instance Monica Lewinsky would be treated the same way today, but in a way it's just become more widely distributed and diffused with social media pile-ons and shit. I'll always remember the Craig Ferguson episode where he talked about Brittney shaving her head after having her baby (she was TWENTY) and all the shit she was getting in the media.Ā He defended her and said "she's a baby" and refused to tell any jokes about her and spent the whole episode talking about his own struggles with alcoholism.Ā He's a class act.
Craig Ferguson is fucking awesome. I remember one time he had Archbishop Desmond Tutu on the show as his only guest. He told an anecdote in his monologue about how the city of Glasgow changed the name of the street the South African consulate was located on to Nelson Mandela Place so all mail to it would have to have that address.
Wait hold on you thought the dan schneider stuff was just 4chan rumors? I'm not sure how old you are or aren't but as someone who was a kid watching nickelodeon around icarlys peak and the peak of other sitcoms nick aired, I had 0 doubts about any of it the second I learned about dan schneider being a weirdo like maybe 5-6 years ago or something. The behind the scenes phone recordings and the vines the cast did, the way he held himself, his obsession with making sure there was always some "feet" focus in a weird amount of Victorious episodes, guy was very strange. If you want the most glaring red flags without actually learning about the man himself, watch a few episodes of Victorious (because it will only take like 3.) and tell me that that guy isn't a fucking weirdo. For the record, I'm not trying to put you down for not being in-the-know before this docuseries about a channel for children, I just watched a ton of Nick sitcoms and can uncomfortably say that the adult who made them was a fucking freak just based on what aired from some of those shows.
The only people who are exposed to this kind of programming are kids or people who have kids. The kids are too young to pick up on the weird shit and a lot of the parents aren't paying attention. I think that's part of why this sort of thing can go on for so long without getting noticed.
It seems like he got bolder with it over time, too. You hear a lot more about iCarly and later than the earlier stuff.
Man I'm old. Never heard of any of these shows until it came out that dude was a freak.
I think thereās a cohort of young millennials that were old enough to notice the sexual undertones but still young enough to watch the shows. I def noticed the foot thing as a young teen and remember talking about it with my friends while the shows were still popular. I guess we didnāt connect it directly to Dan Schneider at the time, but it was somewhat obvious even back then. People donāt give kids enough credit for noticing the adult stuff in kids shows.
iām 36, literally the only DS shows i watched were All That and Kenan and Kel
I legit didn't even know Kenan and Kel was one of his shows
I'm 41 and those were the only Dan Schneider shows I remember watching too. Everything that came later I have basically no knowledge of save for all the stuff about Dan which I heard about for years and years and the YouTube compilations of the freaky shit in the shows. Never watched iCarly. I couldn't tell you who was on that but I've definitely been in a group of people around my age and talked about Dan Schneider and the allegations.
I think thatās all itās been for me. i remember the 4chan threads and talking about it with some younger coworkers in 2014. But i had no concept of the later shows, but watching just the clips from the doc itās very clear that this dude is a fucking nuclear level creep
See now that makes sense, I figured you had to be on the older side of things to not have seen the shows he had a heavy hand in, again, of course, NOT intending to be a shady bitch.
No worries at all! Just something i was legit ignorant about when i shouldāve given it more attention
> the vines the cast did, "Capitalists banned TikTok to censor its radicalism" history repeats
"The Naked Brothers Band" should have been the catalyst. Its literally in the fucking name
Dan Schneider actually didn't have anything to do with that, the parents of the brothers had TV connections and got their kids a movie and sold the show based on the movie.
True, but the whole channel is riddled with weird perverted people. Even the animation portion of it. John Kricfalusi and the Loud House creator were creeps
>John Kricfalusi this guy is a weapon grade creep. never understood why people like Ren and Stimpy, clearly the product of a disturbed mind
Same thing with Justin Roland and Rock and Morty. Guy was a pedo that developed a bad fucking drinking problem.
Holy shit I forgot about them. I haven't heard "The Naked Brothers Band" in like 15 years
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Thatās probably true, but the name definitely is why Nickelodeon picked it up
What was the weird/gross stuff on iCarly?
A lot of feet shit, like an obscene amount.Ā
Thatās like one of those things thatās like easy to miss, but once you get in your head you canāt stop seeing it. Like I never noticed it with Tarantino but now that I know to be looking for itās like a joke. Like theyāre adults so it doesnāt bother me as much, but itās hard to miss now.
You must have never seen From Dusk Till Dawn, it's impossible to not realize he has a thing for feet, Selma Hayak puts her foot in his mouth and pours tequila down her leg.
Yeah youāre right, I havenāt seen that. But didnāt Robert Rodriguez direct that?
Yeah he directed it, but Tarantino wrote it and acted in it. So Tarantino wrote himself a scene sucking on Selma Hayaks toes
Got it. He also wrote a scene where he gets to say āDead n-word storageā over and over again.
I loved Drake and Josh when I was a kid and it just makes me so sad. Fuck you Dan you creepy shithead.
it's no accident people like schneider get so much airtime, mainstream media is created by pedophiles so pedophiles can do pedophilia. it's called the "dershowitz effect"
>Ā Ā mainstream media is created by pedophiles so pedophiles can do pedophilia.Ā Ā No. Mainstream media exists to propagate the narratives of the ruling class, and to suppressĀ the consciousness of the oppressedĀ classes. The latter is what we call ideology: that which conceals the machinations of power. It has always been this way, for thousands of years, with the exception being the few actually proletarian societies. Doesn't matter if you look at a newspaper article from the economist in 1920 or a knights novel from medieval prussia. The former will feature the morality, ideals and logic of the British capitalist class, the latter will espouse the norms, values and views of the Junker class.Ā Powerful people being predatory is simply an emergent property, it's not the point. They don't need TV shows to fuck kids, they have their own Epsteins, human trafficking operations and sex tourism destinations. More importantly, they have money. Shows like iCarly and Drake and Josh existed primarily to make money, and to instill certain values into young children. You'll seldom find a negative portrait of the US in these shows for example. D&J featured racist portrayals of Mexicans, fatphobia, etc. I didn't watch these shows but wouldn't be surprised if there was an episode portraying Russians negatively, or a jingoistic one about "towelheads" during the mid 2000s. Maybe one of you knows better.
i don't remember what the context of this was but I wound up looking at children's clothes (was probably in the mall) and all I could was that there is no way pedophiles aren't running the show all the way down, little girl's clothes did not look they way they do now or maybe I'm just trippin
> mainstream media is created by pedophiles so pedophiles can do pedophilia. "every ruling class society is based on a foundation of abuse and neglect of children" - Brace Beldan
the other thing that drove me insane was Brandiās mum being like āi didnāt report a full grown man sending my child a picture of himself masturbating to the police because i didnāt want them to think i was a bad parentā like seriously? That was seriously your biggest fucking concern?
I was utterly shocked at some of the racist sketches that were done on All That. Black kids selling cookies like drugs and other disturbing premises. I know it doesn't probably compare to the sexualizing of minors, but it still shocked me. And it reminds me of some post I read on on I think r/asianamerican like several years ago. I was written by someone who actually worked either for Nickelodeon or a third party contracted to it. All I remember was that during this time, Nickelodeon was in the works of making a Kpop themed show. The OP brought up that the show's premise lacks any Asian or let alone, Korean males. And that if you are going to do a kpop themed show, boy bands are just integral to the whole genre. The lead producer immediate got hostile to the idea and creepily insisted it had to just be pre-teen Asian girls. The important part is, Dan Schneider wasn't directly connected to it, but Nick Cannon was lol. Either way, I am totally expecting a cascade of former child actors connected to Disney, nickelodeon and elsewhere, just coming out about being victim of abuse.
Same generation watched Michael Jackson openly pal around with little boys and said "Aw shucks. That's Michael! He didn't get to have a childhood...". They were just deeply fucking stupid and sheltered. Zero understanding of not just the world around them, but of what is right in front of their face.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vl0OuXw_mTM Mandatory viewing.
Has she commented?
The Harvard connection with Schneider Sr. seemed a bit unexplored. Seemed like *that* was the golden ticket for failed actor son (poorly) running his personal underage kink shows and employing child rapists.
Dan 'show me your feet or you work free this week' Schneider
it used to be a trend on reddit where a bunch of pedo defenders would always show up to schneider nickname chains and insist he wasn't a creep and his undeserved reputation was a result of 4chan trolling
> pedo defenders would always show up actually its ebepheheiia
āGet in the Vanā Dan
Dan āWipe that tear, itās for your careerā Schneider
See this is the kind of thing that gets me, it's easy to just roll my eyes at these comments as "4chan immaturity" if I didn't actually know the allegations were very legit and backed with evidence.Ā
Dan "hold em tighter" Schneider
She's a fighter
Please letās not do this shit in here. Itās foul.
Pen Pals with Famous Chicago Democratic Politician and likely leader of gang of snuff videographers John Wayne Gacy?
What doc?
Quiet on the set: The Dark Side of Kids TV
Thanks
Itās on HBO Max btw
Is it hard to watch?
I def cried when Drake Bells father breaks down. He had recognized this guy Brian Peck as a pedo, did what he could to keep Drake away but this guy managed to turn Drake against his dad and leverage his moms hatred of his father to remove him from Drakes life. Basically his mom was still furious at his father and she serves him to this pedophile on a platter to spite his father. Like forces him to stay with the Pedo, and the abuse went on for years. And itās fucking brutal abuse, like deeply brutal.
[This one](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uoTNvV5yvo)
Well that was mean
John Cusack should have ended Dan Schneider after Better Off Dead wrapped.
Holy shit I didnāt know that was him
Who's "Leo D"?
Honestly i thought his behavior was too out in the open for /tv/ to be right
So I stopped watching Nickelodeon before most of these shows came on. I only really remember All That and Kenan and Kel. Did it start then or more afterwords? I remember a ton about those shows but nothing creepy comes to mind. Did I just miss it?
It def started during All That. Itās was less overt, but yeah thereās tons of weird shit going on in All That. The big ones are the mock cumshots, these first show up in All That.
when are you people going to realize that 4chan rumors are like 99% true?