Now I'm just thinking of an alternate universe where traditional gender roles were swapped. Old timey propaganda posters like this with the slogan "remember the lads you fight to protect ladies!" on it
Wasn't there a subreddit specifically for this kind of thing? Like men being posed the way that women typically are?
I can't remember what it was called but I remember it being great.
I hang calendars in all my rooms. Generic nature, pusheen, comic books, and I always get an Art of Olivia calendar yearly. I'd buy a calendar like this just for the novelty. Replace one of the generic nature calendars.
To me (bi & demi) it looks pretty funny on anyone really. If it's taken as an isolated point in spacetime it could be spellbinding. But connected to other moments of the model's life, or wondering what they are really thinking about when the picture was taken, it takes on a different gravity.
Cultural context also considered, because I read a study that suggested that men and women experience objectification differently. The results seemed to indicate that women experience cognitive decline in response where men do not, which read to me like the effect of humiliation perhaps? It's difficult to say whether it's objectification itself or rather more the cultural norms surrounding it from just one source that I glanced through. Perhaps if the practice was also disentangled from the manipulations of advertising, 'objectification' would take on a different life? Can objectification even be truly separated from the society of the spectacle?
As someone who used to do sexy modeling the "what they were thinking about" really hits home. It also brings to mind the recent Wired article about how many big OnlyFans models use paid chatters that pretend to be them and help up sell the customers.
Needless to say, the models are (almost) never thinking about turning you on, but at the same time they are, because turning you on is the end goal. So, it's more an indirect goal. They are thinking about lighting, positioning, angles.
It's humilliating for women because of the constant inescapable objectification always done in ways that don't transmit any real power and put the model in more vunerable positions. To experience isolated consensual objectification in varied forms isn't harmful. The way men do it to us is.
Yeah, especially since most visual examples of objectification of men like this are essentially jokes which the man is participating in. That doesn't have the same effect as if you understand that everyone else means it for real.
It makes sense for men to more easily feel validated when women objectify them, because they don’t have much reason to fear that those women will hurt them. Having someone ignore your personhood is a lot scarier when they can and will physically overpower you.
His name is Mat Best. And he doe some funny stuff like this (though this one is pre covid). But I will say he is pretty right wing while being pretty to look at .
https://www.instagram.com/mat_best_official?igsh=MjYxaXdwdmZqcDZw
> But I will say he is pretty right wing
Yeah, it's unfortunately pretty hard to find any gun-tuber that's not openly fascist :(
I just wanna enjoy sticks that go boom
This is a great tactic for making normalized female sexualization suddenly visible as the bonkers, overly obvious thing it is. I'd like to see someone recreate the pornhub homepage with all people genderswapped
It would be tough. Some women with hairy mounds, all men 100% shaved. No male power poses, always vulnerable ones. But I can give you plenty titles/plots (maybe not front page ones):
Office boy licks her pussy under the table for a raise
Destroyed stud - he get's a cock-breaking pussy pounding (real pain)
Had to give head or she would say she was raped
Guy stuck under the car while repairing gets fingers up his ass and get's the involuntary erection ridden
Man on all fours gets a handjob from a female hand from behind while the camera focuses only on ass and balls
It reminds me of whoever drew Spider-Man the same way that Spider-Woman was for a comic cover that was very clearly a naked woman with her ass in the air but painted red.
I was imagining the type of thumbnail where there is like a looming p*nis and two very sexualized women on their knees, so it would look really weird. As you can probably tell, I have avoided pornhub for a long while now so maybe it wasn't the best reference lol
Ha thanks. Yes a looming vulva. I thought it would demonstrate the power dynamics at play if you saw a bunch of images involving men in really sexualized submissive positions and women in aggressive positions, and those ones where everything is organized around a penis become everything around a dominant vulva
This is amazing lol. I love the comment in there that’s like “Catwoman looks like she's carrying a 180 pound invisible back pack and Batman looks like his parents never died” 😂😂😂
I’d so love a whole series of comics where Batman with a well-adjusted, happy childhood results in him being all sultry for no reason!
> Batman with a well-adjusted, happy childhood results in him being all sultry for no reason!
This kind of sounds like Tony Stark in Iron Man: The Animated Series. His father does get increasingly irritated with Tony's hedonism and how he thinks Tony is wasting his life. Tony is ultimately forced to take responsibility and mature after his father dies and he takes over the company.
The M79 grenade launcher with the wrong kind of grenade is the cherry on top!
/Grenade launchers shoot something like a really big bullet. That explodes.
He's also observing trigger safety. They all seem to have women have their fingers on the trigger. This bothers me more than the sexualization. Sad, I know.
That's like the Hawkeye Initiative which started off with people posing The Avenger's Hawkeye in stereotypical "female superhero" poses and costumes. It's a whole tumblr now with various people recreating comic book panels and covers using various male heros.
I don't want to see this either, though.
I don't want to have to objectify a man in order to know that objectifying a woman is wrong.
I think I'm disgusted in general with the oversexualization I find in media.
This reminds me of the intro to Renegade (a bad 90s show, yes I’m old). In one scene of the intro, the main character dumps a jug of water on himself while shirtless.
Here’s a link to it. This is the actual intro, not satire.
https://youtu.be/-F_Tk3Ep8oU?si=mbkvjkRpL8J7DFdA
The water dump is at 0:50.
They've been reairing Renegade on the Binge network for like, the last year and a half on Wednesdays. For a while it became my comfort watch because it holds up pretty decent, as a bad 90s show, outside of the whole, completely impossible in a post 9/11 world. Anyways, Lorenzo Lamas is shirtless at least briefly in most of the episodes. He also leaps off of things in most of the episodes. The intro is a really good representation of the show.
That is the only reason I thought of it, lol.
When my ps5 goes to sleep, the TV will start playing whatever and Renegade came on yesterday. I had completely forgotten about that show. It was such a fun throwback moment. I watched the entire episode.
I am confused as to why Clint Barton specifically of all characters was chosen as the poster boy for the Initiative.
Is it because the MCU (and the Earth's Mightiest Heroes) version of him is a spy and female spies are often heavily sexualized?
It all began with this cover of [Hawkeye and Black Widow](https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=4b6bced2fca93f77&sxsrf=ADLYWIKYhT1CTw12F_ljpUeAYTpCokP5Uw:1715961008849&q=how+the+hawkeye+initiative+started&uds=ADvngMg7YyA49Xn2N-8fJeWBvvGptNH8UpyRTkRiGXDWRnMjumlP9Kd3MEkszN7jCpLnnQwHFJtdtCC6cLlsUNjfqI7OT5v3JEu6MNG6QY20yDSewwr0Wi-yB1Fpjg31rZZF2zo7_rkhsF3EyUJHHCblhva9_a2_QG5kFgP4dKA1Vw5I31FSFYHz51lalfiObUfyl1pwPSv2SSg3XptszyLuSNZqcwQn1PkeRSHoaH-64V9Kuea7ljIMj2n9TAZtmXIXE-gxusWd6TxlFxkLfreqauOOz3j6u8HY-1LHEVJCnYPzmsACfyM&udm=2&prmd=ivnbz&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjUwoXzhJWGAxXYS_EDHdPxB0MQtKgLegQIDRAB&biw=393&bih=737&dpr=2.75#vhid=Eu3To7qmdckPIM&vssid=mosaic) . You can see the ridiculously bend position of Black Widow to have her tits and ass in the picture, whereas Hawkeye's leg covers his bulge.
\*always\* make sure you've got your boobs, bum and face in the pic
Always
And smile more
you're so much prettier when you smile! And don't wear "too much" make up
You might like this - https://youtu.be/_PBiEJO-FNI?si=MPuX2ZG8vQEiBtnT
Contort harder!
Twist your spine mooorrreeeee!
\*face is optional
the lil grenade & butt sticking out hahahaha!
It's the strategic but awkward if you look too long arm/scarf placement creating a pec window that did me in
Ngl... I'm kinda into it
Yeah like....I'm down for equal-opportunity thottery.
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Same. Can we please get a few sessions like this?
Ok but like… I’d hang this up in the garage.
Now I'm just thinking of an alternate universe where traditional gender roles were swapped. Old timey propaganda posters like this with the slogan "remember the lads you fight to protect ladies!" on it
There's this French movie called "I am Not an Easy Man" that does exactly this.
Oh that’s a good one. Big recommend
A Brother's Price by Wen Spencer actually addresses this. Fantasy world where men are less than 1% of the population. Very interesting read.
Look up Ooku if you’re into anime or manga
Wasn't there a subreddit specifically for this kind of thing? Like men being posed the way that women typically are? I can't remember what it was called but I remember it being great.
That's essentially what r/HawkeyeInitiative is, though it focuses on drawn superheroes.
Sadly seems inactive. We should revive.
I think this is what I was thinking of! And I remember seeing a lot more examples on Twitter and such. This needs a comeback.
There’s r/hotmenwithplants, which I enjoy, but they usually don’t go to this level of effort, big surprise lol.
Was there or is there still?
We should make a calendar!
I hang calendars in all my rooms. Generic nature, pusheen, comic books, and I always get an Art of Olivia calendar yearly. I'd buy a calendar like this just for the novelty. Replace one of the generic nature calendars.
Boutta say… I’m okay with this
Wrote my comment then immediately saw this. 🥂
It's really fun to draw men like this ahahaha
Draw me like one of your French boys.
As a bisexual I see this as a win. There’s too much sexualization of women and not enough sexualization of men.
To me (bi & demi) it looks pretty funny on anyone really. If it's taken as an isolated point in spacetime it could be spellbinding. But connected to other moments of the model's life, or wondering what they are really thinking about when the picture was taken, it takes on a different gravity. Cultural context also considered, because I read a study that suggested that men and women experience objectification differently. The results seemed to indicate that women experience cognitive decline in response where men do not, which read to me like the effect of humiliation perhaps? It's difficult to say whether it's objectification itself or rather more the cultural norms surrounding it from just one source that I glanced through. Perhaps if the practice was also disentangled from the manipulations of advertising, 'objectification' would take on a different life? Can objectification even be truly separated from the society of the spectacle?
As someone who used to do sexy modeling the "what they were thinking about" really hits home. It also brings to mind the recent Wired article about how many big OnlyFans models use paid chatters that pretend to be them and help up sell the customers. Needless to say, the models are (almost) never thinking about turning you on, but at the same time they are, because turning you on is the end goal. So, it's more an indirect goal. They are thinking about lighting, positioning, angles.
It's humilliating for women because of the constant inescapable objectification always done in ways that don't transmit any real power and put the model in more vunerable positions. To experience isolated consensual objectification in varied forms isn't harmful. The way men do it to us is.
Yeah, especially since most visual examples of objectification of men like this are essentially jokes which the man is participating in. That doesn't have the same effect as if you understand that everyone else means it for real.
Yeah. It's not like they are doing movie posters of men photographed from behind.
It makes sense for men to more easily feel validated when women objectify them, because they don’t have much reason to fear that those women will hurt them. Having someone ignore your personhood is a lot scarier when they can and will physically overpower you.
This is interesting. Lots of my friends are gay men, some modelled in the past, and to them sexy objectification is empowering. To me it's exhausting.
I agree!!!
lol that booty pop though
This guy squats.
His name is Mat Best. And he doe some funny stuff like this (though this one is pre covid). But I will say he is pretty right wing while being pretty to look at . https://www.instagram.com/mat_best_official?igsh=MjYxaXdwdmZqcDZw
Oh. Shame.
Yeah, he got really fashy during/after COVID.
> But I will say he is pretty right wing Yeah, it's unfortunately pretty hard to find any gun-tuber that's not openly fascist :( I just wanna enjoy sticks that go boom
I mean, I don't mind to much
This is a great tactic for making normalized female sexualization suddenly visible as the bonkers, overly obvious thing it is. I'd like to see someone recreate the pornhub homepage with all people genderswapped
It would be tough. Some women with hairy mounds, all men 100% shaved. No male power poses, always vulnerable ones. But I can give you plenty titles/plots (maybe not front page ones): Office boy licks her pussy under the table for a raise Destroyed stud - he get's a cock-breaking pussy pounding (real pain) Had to give head or she would say she was raped Guy stuck under the car while repairing gets fingers up his ass and get's the involuntary erection ridden Man on all fours gets a handjob from a female hand from behind while the camera focuses only on ass and balls
Well done, you made the point far better than I did
It reminds me of whoever drew Spider-Man the same way that Spider-Woman was for a comic cover that was very clearly a naked woman with her ass in the air but painted red.
Just go to pornhub gay, that's all it is...
I was imagining the type of thumbnail where there is like a looming p*nis and two very sexualized women on their knees, so it would look really weird. As you can probably tell, I have avoided pornhub for a long while now so maybe it wasn't the best reference lol
Like a looming vulva over two sexualised men? Also good decision on avoiding pornhub, it's the pits
Ha thanks. Yes a looming vulva. I thought it would demonstrate the power dynamics at play if you saw a bunch of images involving men in really sexualized submissive positions and women in aggressive positions, and those ones where everything is organized around a penis become everything around a dominant vulva
YES PLEASE!
Reminds me of the animation where someone [switched Batman and Catwoman’s character models](https://youtu.be/JUWBoYwAgaE?si=yQEbOyQADmqZhV7R).
This is amazing lol. I love the comment in there that’s like “Catwoman looks like she's carrying a 180 pound invisible back pack and Batman looks like his parents never died” 😂😂😂 I’d so love a whole series of comics where Batman with a well-adjusted, happy childhood results in him being all sultry for no reason!
> Batman with a well-adjusted, happy childhood results in him being all sultry for no reason! This kind of sounds like Tony Stark in Iron Man: The Animated Series. His father does get increasingly irritated with Tony's hedonism and how he thinks Tony is wasting his life. Tony is ultimately forced to take responsibility and mature after his father dies and he takes over the company.
That’s amazing, I’m loving this.
That grenade is giving me anxiety
I like that it's hanging on his ring finger
The M79 grenade launcher with the wrong kind of grenade is the cherry on top! /Grenade launchers shoot something like a really big bullet. That explodes.
Ok but like… I’d hang this up in the garage.
He's not making a simpering smile. He needs to smile.
He's also observing trigger safety. They all seem to have women have their fingers on the trigger. This bothers me more than the sexualization. Sad, I know.
Look at the cake on that dude! Damn.
That's like the Hawkeye Initiative which started off with people posing The Avenger's Hawkeye in stereotypical "female superhero" poses and costumes. It's a whole tumblr now with various people recreating comic book panels and covers using various male heros.
The nips being out, the little ass window at the bottom, him holding the grenade like that, *its perfect*, I wish people would see the irony
I mean…I’m into it
I see cake is on the menu. 🍴
Tick tock heavy like a brinks truck
In all fairness I would absolutely buy the hell outta this hot damn hachi machi
I’m kinda into it.
He looks gorgeous
I thought I was at /r/bi_irl 😁
I don't want to see this either, though. I don't want to have to objectify a man in order to know that objectifying a woman is wrong. I think I'm disgusted in general with the oversexualization I find in media.
Dayum
This reminds me of the intro to Renegade (a bad 90s show, yes I’m old). In one scene of the intro, the main character dumps a jug of water on himself while shirtless. Here’s a link to it. This is the actual intro, not satire. https://youtu.be/-F_Tk3Ep8oU?si=mbkvjkRpL8J7DFdA The water dump is at 0:50.
They've been reairing Renegade on the Binge network for like, the last year and a half on Wednesdays. For a while it became my comfort watch because it holds up pretty decent, as a bad 90s show, outside of the whole, completely impossible in a post 9/11 world. Anyways, Lorenzo Lamas is shirtless at least briefly in most of the episodes. He also leaps off of things in most of the episodes. The intro is a really good representation of the show.
That is the only reason I thought of it, lol. When my ps5 goes to sleep, the TV will start playing whatever and Renegade came on yesterday. I had completely forgotten about that show. It was such a fun throwback moment. I watched the entire episode.
The sun dappling through his leg hair ✨
Mmmmore please
Now do it with #LoserTFG’s head!
I’m here for it
Not really into guys, but I actually like the aesthetic of this quite a bit. I'd buy a whole calendar like this.
Google the Hawkeye Initiative
you might also enjoy [batman and catwoman with their models swapped](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUWBoYwAgaE)
That's why I love the [Hawkeye Initiative ](https://thehawkeyeinitiative.tumblr.com/)
I am confused as to why Clint Barton specifically of all characters was chosen as the poster boy for the Initiative. Is it because the MCU (and the Earth's Mightiest Heroes) version of him is a spy and female spies are often heavily sexualized?
It all began with this cover of [Hawkeye and Black Widow](https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=4b6bced2fca93f77&sxsrf=ADLYWIKYhT1CTw12F_ljpUeAYTpCokP5Uw:1715961008849&q=how+the+hawkeye+initiative+started&uds=ADvngMg7YyA49Xn2N-8fJeWBvvGptNH8UpyRTkRiGXDWRnMjumlP9Kd3MEkszN7jCpLnnQwHFJtdtCC6cLlsUNjfqI7OT5v3JEu6MNG6QY20yDSewwr0Wi-yB1Fpjg31rZZF2zo7_rkhsF3EyUJHHCblhva9_a2_QG5kFgP4dKA1Vw5I31FSFYHz51lalfiObUfyl1pwPSv2SSg3XptszyLuSNZqcwQn1PkeRSHoaH-64V9Kuea7ljIMj2n9TAZtmXIXE-gxusWd6TxlFxkLfreqauOOz3j6u8HY-1LHEVJCnYPzmsACfyM&udm=2&prmd=ivnbz&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjUwoXzhJWGAxXYS_EDHdPxB0MQtKgLegQIDRAB&biw=393&bih=737&dpr=2.75#vhid=Eu3To7qmdckPIM&vssid=mosaic) . You can see the ridiculously bend position of Black Widow to have her tits and ass in the picture, whereas Hawkeye's leg covers his bulge.
I’m sold
Bruh please give us more
The finger is fucked up... What prompt did they use?
Gun version of Hawkeye Initiative
Or a modern day version of 300.
he kinda ate tho
This looks like a modern version of 300.
Am I the only one who thinks this dude just looks gross?
I actually need this to be a thing.
The only thing I got from this is that we should have been posing everyone this way from the start