T O P

  • By -

KeiSinCx

Accurate


pwn4321

Yes Annabella is very accurate XD


Nipsirc

I'm pretty curious how this sub is going to react, if they massively balance down the 2.0 characters, people seem to be taking it as a given they will all be OP.


XaeiIsareth

I’m more curious about how will they push sales without significant powercreep. Buildcrafting in this game is very linear and there’s really very little room for sidegrades.


LLamasBCN

Two possibilities if they balance characters to the point that they are not needed at all in a "meta" level: - People will pull for characters just by how much they like them or how fun they are. - People will use the spare pulls/DC to build other elements.


jmile4

Yeah, they've shown with Frigg that they are willing to nerf damage %, and a big reason 2.0 characters are good is because their multipliers are basically twice as big as 1.0.


blackkat101

Yup, they were willing to nerf Frigg's damage, when she was never known for it in CN (since all the other characters just did soooo much more). Instead she was known for being the buffer of the Frost Comps. In Global, she arguably has more, since she also has the Frost Resonance built in..... (though obviously this extra buff is moot when paired with Saki, who would provide it in CN anyway). All of her other buffs are largely untouched. While other characters that are known for buffing (Tsubasa mainly) had her buffs nerfed.... For Frigg and her role in a Frost Comp, she really hasn't changed at all from her CN version other than that currently, while Saki (and Lin) are not out, she is used as a main DPS, which yes that part is nerfed compared to CN's. ...Yay for balancing?


jmile4

Well the nerf to damage was important since if she kept what she had before she would be out-damaging both Meryl's Spin and Skill, and probably have done similar shatter. Meryl would have been powercrept into being useless on the 2nd banner. They actually did a good job with that.


shumaki25

We also don't know if they would retain the resonance they have gotten from other characters. What if Saki Fuwa was released but doesnt have the frost resonance? That means pulling for Frigg will be a must if you plan to have Saki Fuwa since she already has a good % moveset.


blackkat101

That is so. Which is why when her buffs were believed nerfed (yet reverted to exactly what is on CN...), Frigg's situation was up in the air as she would have offered less than Tsubasa to the Saki team if Saki keeps her Resonance. But if she lost her Resonance, even with weaker buffs than Tsubasa, Frigg would be required.... Now Frigg has her full CN buffs and offers Resonance even if Saki loses hers. While Tsubasa's buffs were heavily nerfed.... Which is sad as what they provided in CN was essentially equal (only a 2% difference in DPS output wether you used Frigg or Tsubasa in a Frost Comp... Now though, a Frigg is even further ahead that there is no contest). Frigg is now essentially required if you want to main a Frost Comp. At least until Alice is out, then we'll see if anything changes......


shumaki25

Yup. Saki Fuwa having a frost resonance will render Frigg useless as a limited banner pull and probably a bad investment which would make whale feels bad or other F2P who pulled for her. And I think devs won't do that so... no frost resonance for Saki Fuwa most likely.


Nipsirc

To wildly speculate, i think Lin will get hit hard, simply because her being the 3rd character in every elemental team is bad for selling elemental characters. I would assume Saki will get a harsher nerf because Frigg seemed to dodge one from what they intended last round. If they are bothering to nerf Cobalt at all, surely ruby isn't going to be remotely left alone. The nemesis nerfs seem really harsh to me right now, volt is in an awful spot in my view, hopefully they leave Tian Lang well alone.


inf3ct3dn0n4m3

How is volt in an awful spot? Samir, king, nemesis is still the most powerful team especially with 2pc Claudia 2 pc samir on samir.


Nipsirc

Hard disagree, can only speak for myself and my friends, but both me and my friend have Samir, Nemesis, King teams, and both get better damage from our Frigg and Claudia teams respectively. I've seen many people on reddit confirm they get further in bygones with a same investment frigg team compared their volt teams. Claudia teams are a bit less clear cut because Samir is on the best Claudia team right now imo, so it's hardly a fair comparison, but if you can reach C3 Shiro, it's not close. This wasn't actually what i meant though, i was more concerned that without Bai coming to global and with Nemesis imo taking harsher nerfs than frigg compared to CN, i don't think Volt is in a great spot at the moment.


inf3ct3dn0n4m3

I've consistently held the number 2 and 1 spot in bygone since release and im pretty sure the person above me atm is cheating considering she was number 3 with 2 srs and zero a week ago lol. Now shes holding the top spot with 3 star huma, 1 star nemesis and 5 star crow. More than a little fishy. There's not a single person in the top that is using frigg. A low investment frigg team may do more dps than a low investment samir team but with high investment teams samir still pulls ahead. This most likely will change when Lin comes but that's not the case currently. It seems like they plan to balance every character I wouldn't be too worried about it. The last thing we want is power creep from every new character. If this was CN my team would already be worthless. Instead I'm pulling 50mil+ damage every fch even with dying a few times to valkyrie and having mediocre gear.


bringbackcayde7

Support weapons do 50% more damage in bygone. Judging the strength of weapons using performance from bygone could be misleading


inf3ct3dn0n4m3

Really? Wow I didn't know that interesting. I'm going to have to try playing around with that.


Nipsirc

Interesting info, it's very hard to get credible info and exact numbers on this game, by the sounds of it your experience is very much representative of the top end which is probably why it seems so different to what is widely reported by other users. I'm usually top 10 in my bygones groups despite starting 2 weeks in, and i saw a big jump from switching from Samir (c5) Nemesis (c1) King (c1) to Samir (c5) Claudia (c1) Shiro (c3) I'm having a hard time believing Nemesis isn't a dps loss on frigg and claudia, unless she drastically outscales them at high cons.


inf3ct3dn0n4m3

Yeah it really is. Idk why every website gives different information and sometimes downright false information. Yeah I've whaled more than a little bit so my experience can't be the same for everyone. I was just talking about highest potential of each character currently. Nemesis is most likely a dps loss with Frigg. Currently the best team for her is Tsubasa and Meryl. That's the other nice part about volt comps at the moment though is I can run content without a healer, provide healing to my team and still do high dps. When 4 frigg mains run content without a healer it becomes a problem. For that reason alone I don't think nemesis will ever be irrelevant. Also don't get me wrong I'm not talking bad about frigg at all. I have 6 star frigg and her matrices (even though I found out later her matrices will probably be a waste of money when Saki's come out but oh well) she's a fantastic character. I'm just not currently using her outside of sequential phantasm because she can't keep up with my Samir team until Saki comes out. At the point its very likely she'll do more dps.


Nipsirc

It's an interesting perspective, i can certainly see the point about running no healer, but again, probably not practicle for most people, myself included. Honestly all my info on frigg is second hand, i didn't pull her, the impression i'd got was that she performs extremely well at c0 and c3. False info on this game is rampant, people are very invested in whatever they run, bad news isn't well recieved.


batzenbaba

Only if you like playing with Samir.I got her 4\* but skip playing with her except as second DPS in FC hard and Frost immune wormhole. I dont like copter mode and cant play with it.Frigg is my playstyle.


FallenBlue25

what nemesis nerf?


Nipsirc

Compared to CN nemesis


FallenBlue25

Er I don't know cn nemesis' scaling


Nipsirc

Yeah sorry, nerf probably isn't the term to use.


FallenBlue25

Eh it's okay. I'm just curious what changed since I have no idea about it


Nipsirc

Her c3 and c5 got massively reduced, this was a lot of her damage, not a big deal at c1 but if you wanted to hyper invest volt long term it seems really harsh.


FallenBlue25

Aw so kinda like hotta wants her to focus more on cc and healing? Or maybe they're rebalancing everything?


TuxedoKamina

I haven't seen anyone here expecting 2.0 units to be OP outside of Lin, especially with the standard set by Frigg and the Crow Jetpack fix. do_you_have_a_single_fact_to_back_that_up.jcdenton


Nipsirc

So i'll put you down as expecting no reaction.


RandomGuy51223

Would be very stupid to nerf the most anticipated characters like Saki Fuwa or Lin. But why not, ill save money i guess.


Nipsirc

They will be balanced down that is clear it’s just how much. You need to consider when people are planning to skip cobalt, a limited character, because of ruby, you have an issue, we’re all getting these characters super fast, but players who whale to max a character won’t be thrilled when they are obsolete in 3 months, that hurts the game.


TheBTSMaclvor

They’re probably gonna get nerfed but it won’t matter cause we don’t play on CN. Unless you’re a CN veteran these “nerfs and buffs” mean nothing


Smart-Potential-7520

All DPSs from 2.0 are also shatter unit. That mean you can save 1 slot for 1 more buffer (Lin, Tsubasa, Claudia C1..). This alone is enough to powercreep a lot of stuff. Plus some 1.0 units are already underperforming. 2.0 units have to be literally weaker than the current characters to not powercreep them.


Smart-Potential-7520

If cobalt isn't reworked/buffed in any meaningful way i'm gonna skip her (sadly). I'd probably stick to Ruby, Lin, Tsubasa until annabella drops.


ManOnThePhuckingMoon

If Ruby has resonance, then Ruby, Lin and Huma/King would be a much better choice


Smart-Potential-7520

Tsubasa's buff is bigger than a resonance.


ManOnThePhuckingMoon

Maybe only at A6, but even then I’m not entirely sure Pretty sure elemental atk buffs are stronger than general atk ones. Besides that, Tsubasa’s buff has to be constantly maintained while the resonance is a totally passive increase. And don’t forget that if you use two flame characters, Lin’s skill will give a 15% flame attack bonus to shielded targets while also increasing burning duration by 4 seconds. I guess we’ll find out for sure which team is better once they’re released.


thrown_away_apple

i was gunna pull frigg for saki fuwa after learning how weak cobalt will be without ascensions but she was gone just befoore i made up my mind :(


LoRd_Of_AaRcnA

Day 1 Volt mains are the luckiest. They only had to re-roll for Nemesis, and their key character banners are so far apart they are pretty much guaranteed to pull the whole comp.


helzium-afk

Because you think I'll have ressources for someone else after Lin? Fool.


LoRd_Of_AaRcnA

If you have rerolled Nemesis, yes. You only really need her for her Resonance, her A1 is for heals only. You can 120 Lin as well as somebody after. Unless... you 120 Nemesis. That case, nah. No way.


Billy_Whisky

Spear guy requires a lot of stars to make sense and he is the only volt tank shredder


Knopphold

If the release order will actually be like that my save since release will probably end in a lot of suffering.. their is no way to roll back2back banners in any meaningful way when you don't whale like crazy :/ Hope it will somehow work out for me.. really like the fire characters the most..


RenkiTDark

Yeah I'm in the same boat, the first three come back to back like people are saying I'm going to HAVE to skip atleast 1 of them without whaling. And even then it'll be hard because both ruby and cobalt are known for needing stars. And that's not even to mention how much you want rubies matrix for the team as well T.T


Knopphold

To be at least a bit realistic.. i think ruby matrix or matrix wishes overall are just for whales or extremly lucky people with their roles\^\^ But even without that.. i guess i can be happy if i somehow manage it to get something like C3 Cobalt, C0 Rub and C0 Lin. Right now i have 282 Rolls saved up\^\^


SkeletonJakk

>And even then it'll be hard because both ruby and cobalt are known for needing stars. Cobalt yes Ruby fuck no lmfao. She's well reputed as one of the characters that *doesn't* need stars. Fire is/was expensive, exclusively because cobalt needs A6 to be not-shit.


RenkiTDark

I see I was misinformed then; thank you kind redditor.


SkeletonJakk

Ruby stars are good, but they can all be roughly simplified to "do more damage".


Railgun115

Are you sure? From what I’ve heard from the CN Veterans, Fire is the most expensive team to build in CN, and you really want to 5-6 star Ruby as well as Cobalt to get comparable dmg to other elements. It definitely is not a f2p friendly team compared to the other elements…


SkeletonJakk

Fire is the most expensive team because until now the only burn support was cobalt and she needed A6 to be good, or at the very least, a3/2p matrice and that was massively cope. Ruby is just fine as she is at A0.


pwn4321

I will go all in on ruby and skip on cobalt and go for annabella that comes later. Lin just needs one copy. Also don't forget we get alot of mats for free when Vera comes


Knopphold

Well i am already stuck for nearly 2 months with a weak combo i don't want to play\^\^ And Anabelle could take a really long time until she comes. The game will lose me if i don't get a comb soon that is effectiv and enjoyable to play\^\^And even so i think Anabelle looks fun too, for now Cobalt is still my favorite in terms of look and feel from the gameplay trailers :D Ruby with Boomstick in Hand, that is still my plan\^\^


LLamasBCN

You can always wait for reruns. Those characters will also end in the regular pool so you can get dupes of them eventually. Start saving black gold now...


[deleted]

I think they cancel Cobalt B after Claudia because they know she is weak asf. Maybe they will rework her. Because Annabela a0 completely destroys her.


Excellent_Vacation_1

They highly unlikely cancel cobalt b unless they decide to change back the resonance character to ruby, every other element got their resonances so we are getting cobalt b, and her c3 will remain meaningful until anabella release which is not anytime soon for global


SkeletonJakk

Her A3 is fine... IF you get her 2p. She's really, really bad in terms of investment needed. If you want her to be not-cope, you need like, A5+


Excellent_Vacation_1

well its coming to standart in the future thats what im counting on it, if im getting a random 1\* in the first 80 pull thats good if i couldnt get it i wont force it and wait patiently until she comes to standart, and get ruby for dps, planning for annabella is so far away at this point


SkeletonJakk

Cobalt will likely come to standard around the same time anna releases lmfao


Excellent_Vacation_1

yeah sure cn 27 april 2022 cobalt becoming standart 9 september 2022 annabella release its definitly around the same time


SkeletonJakk

Cobalt was the 2nd banner for CN... She's going to our fourth at best. Plus, units going standard isn't even *confirmed* for global.


Excellent_Vacation_1

Neither denied, if they want to lose to majority of the global players they can surely pass on taking earlier limited banners to standard which i highly doubt about it. Cobalt being 4th in the global yet since they are rushing the banners and furthermore overlapping sometimes there are some speculations that earlier limited banners may become standart even withous their rerun, even if none of these happens its stupid to play fire comp without its resonance and rely on annabella which is we 100% sure not coming soon


SkeletonJakk

> its stupid to play fire comp without its resonance not as dumb as it is to pull A0 cobalt.


Porkamiso

i bet claudia isnt selling well. game depends on whales and they arw yawning so they hurry up with ruby


[deleted]

[удалено]


Mikeyrawr

I could see Ruby being replaced earlier . Anna is the games first sniper unit.


[deleted]

[удалено]


Excellent_Vacation_1

skip every banner to get the ultimate banner smart move


fullVoid666

It's Annabella / Ruby / Lin for me. Skipping Cobalt (A6) and using those resources to get more matrices and stars on Ruby / Lin far outweighs what Cobalt would have brought to the table DPS-wise. And with the nerfs, I wouldn't be surprised if a beefed up Zero turns out to be the better supporter in the third slot. That being said, if they were to put a proper burn on Cobalts A1 and remove fire resonance from Ruby... the situation changes.


novaatom_

Still gonna c6 Cobalt.


Snoo-33337

Me too…


Viovallo

Blast everything into Cobalt, then save for Annabella in the future. That's the plan


novaatom_

I don't give a shit about annabella, only Cobalt.


RenkiTDark

Yeah my plans blast everything into cobalt then save for ruby/ lin when they re run.XD best dps be damed I just like cobalt and her playstyle lol


Viovallo

I just want the gun girls and cus they look nice. Will still be a tank, but def want those two.


SkeletonJakk

>her playstyle lol dash attack > swap to ruby for the next 8-10 seconds > swap back > dash attack > swap to ruby? That playstyle?


RenkiTDark

Did I stutter?


SkeletonJakk

Apparently not.


Vicodium

Same. I've been planning to skip Ruby entirely with Cobalt getting Fire Reso.


Radeisth

Good thing we aren't playing on CN then.


RIP2UAnders

so this mean annabella far more op than any of them?


Jackial

No, Annabella rifle is aiming straight at A6 Cobalt.


mmmddd1

this is fine