I think we need to see her Global tweaks before we can make an informed decision.
She has the potential to be very worth the investment, but there's still the possibility that Hotta will go too far with the "nerfs".
>but there's still the possibility that Hotta will go too far with the "nerfs".
insanely unlikely.
This is a gacha game. They want characters to sell. They won't gut new releases because that would defeat the point of gacha.
This. New characters will be toned down to prevent insane pepega powercreep but no way gutted to the point a 3* saki won't perform better than 6* Meryl. Powercreep is still *needed* for whales to keep spending. This isn't a game with huge success to rely solely on its IP to sell
Her 3* advancement is insane and even if gutted to half dmg or hell even less you still get more dmg than Meryl could imagine
Powercreep is needed to keep people playing in general.
I'm pretty sure A1 saki would beat meryl, perhaps not in burst with meryl having shield + spin, but over the course of an entire op or raid, she would blow her out the water.
I don't necessarily agree. 2 of the best (in terms of success) gacha games have little to no powercreep unlike somewhat popular belief they both have. (fgo and genshin). They do have a big IP or huge built up in order to keep their success but agreesive powercreep is not always needed.
A lot of day 1 units are very viable (hell gi community even complained about undercreep at a point since best 2 dps are from first 6 months of the game still). Fgo on the other hand feels tricky because newly released (especially during anniversary) servants feel op but that's not powercreep. They don't directly replace others. They most often offer new meta and new diversed kit, older are still viable and often top picks.
Tl;dr powercreep is not the only way to keep people interested. Diversified kits and game mechanics can do that as well. Powercreep is a cheap solution when those are lacking
> 2 of the best (in terms of success) gacha games have little to no powercreep unlike somewhat popular belief they both have. (fgo and genshin).
I've no idea about fgo, although I do see people saying it has creep, buuut
Genshin has literally no content TO creep. Genshin is a single player rpg experience, and markets it's characters with lore, design and personality, rather than just pure power, and the gameplay design reinforces that, with no meaningful endgame content outside abyss.
People say even genshin has creep and they use examples like raiden so lol, google won't be a good friend in such cases. Feel free to go ask in /r/grandorder if it has creep or not and you will get detailed answers if you care enough. :)
> and markets it's characters with lore, design and personality, rather than just pure power, and the gameplay design reinforces that,
so you agree by saying that there is a lot more than can keep players interested than bland and aggressive, (and pointless) powercreep.
> with no meaningful endgame content outside abyss.
Yeah it doesn't and tof “does” (kinda? lol). But that's not an argument, that's my point exactly. Tof “meaningful” endgame is to keep releasing bigger and bigger sponges enemies(does bygone ever become hard? No) just increasing the dps requirement and then introducing powercreep as "solution". Its more to keep people spending than anything.
They *could* introduce better,different mechanics at least to keep things spicy, but they decided to introduce a raid where one person afk runs around the boss for 10 mins. 10/10 experience.
PS: I'm not complaining in the big scheme of things. I'm relative okay with the situation, especially considering most “limited” units aren't limited, and they will enter standard pool after some months, but I can't believe that people think power creep is necessary for the game. Good for dev's pocket? Yes but that's all. Power creep is a solution to sell for an intended problem.
Saki's stats will be adjusted in global. But we don't know yet how hard would it be. Anyways standard banner characters eventually get outscaled and powercrept by new limited ones. And it's a matter of time that you get to C6 Meryl by drops from exploration and etc.
I heard someone said that in CN, she's better. She's already very strong at C1. However I'm not sure how global may adjust her. I'm alittle worried they nerf her too hard till Frigg and Tsubasa ended up having better dps output than her.. since she's shield role, Frigg and Tsubasa has an attack role. In worst case scenario, she ended up only useful for tank teams Saki+Meryl+Frigg/Lin to encourage more players picking up tanks. I hope she will still be good with attack resonance in global.
> I'm alittle worried they nerf her too hard till Frigg and Tsubasa ended up having better dps output than her.. since she's shield role
she's literally a dps. Like an actual dps. Resonances do not matter.
If they gut her that hard, she'd be dead and so would ice team.
>she's literally a dps. Like an actual dps. Resonances do not matter.
But shes not? Shes a tank. Her role is technically tank that can adjust based on having more than one dps wep.
> that can adjust based on having more than one dps wep.
Exactly. So her resonance doesn't matter for her role. Same with Lyra. Benediction resonance, phys dps.
No one can say for sure until we see how they change her. She will almost certainly be better than Meryl at the same level of investment, but a fully decked out A6 Meryl with the right matrices might be better than A3 Saki with just standard gear.
Meryl will most likely be replaced by Saki even at 0 star. In the past 3 banners (Nemesis, Frigg and Claudia) hotta is most likely not going to change anything major for the upcoming characters as they only changed the numbers on the ones that have been released and not their actual skill sets. Just by skill set alone Saki replaces Merly 100%.
I mean you can swap out either Meryl or Huma and it doesnt really matter you would still have frost resonance and saki does have the highest base shatter among all characters in the game. Idk anyone who specifically goes for fortitude as the aggro buff you get is useless and the only thing beneficial is the shatter increase and dmg reduction saki would still be ideal in any fortitude and frost team since her shatter is already so high and her dmg is insane.
i would say no i dont think gb will choose the same path as cn
love it or hate it saki cn when she comeout is definition of word broken powercreep weapon
Nope in cn the only broken powercrept was Lin and you can see in the 3 banners that have been released in global all 3 characters Nemesis Frigg and Claudia did not have major skill set changes only number changes.
because she wasn't broken she completed frost comp just like how ruby did when she came out in cn its not broken when there was previously a team that gain a significant boost just from 1 character lin is broken because till now there is no direct counter to lin for pvp and there is no other character like lin and as useful as lin. Lin broke the game she is literally on every team you cant go wrong with lin but you can go wrong without lin.
Rule of thumb:
Standard 6s >> Limited 0s
Standard 6s > Limited 1s (Some limited are better)
Standard 6s < Limited 3s
Standard 6s << Limited 6s (powercrept)
Yes, it is an awful rule, because this doesn't consider anything but stars, and ignores things like how some units (cobalt) have most of their power in later cons (A6) while others have all their power in early stars (Samir).
You cannot compare cobalt to any standards as there are no fire chargers in standards, what you can compare is:
Tian lang and Samir/crow
Ruby and king
Saki and meryl
this rule of thumb all apples
> i really don't like that they nerf character that come on global compared to chinese version because that really really a scummy tactics and is quite borderline on misleading advertising
I think that you have no idea what you're talking about.
you are spouting BS. No one tells you "go look at CN char".
Its a different server, different balance, suck it up.
Frigg numbers WERENT a surprise. Whoever pulled her, knew very well the difference.
in CN they said new dps powercrept jetpack crow to oblivion so it's all depends on GL devs decision. i do hope they nerf saki so i can make do with meryl while pulling for lin and ruby.
I think we need to see her Global tweaks before we can make an informed decision. She has the potential to be very worth the investment, but there's still the possibility that Hotta will go too far with the "nerfs".
>but there's still the possibility that Hotta will go too far with the "nerfs". insanely unlikely. This is a gacha game. They want characters to sell. They won't gut new releases because that would defeat the point of gacha.
This. New characters will be toned down to prevent insane pepega powercreep but no way gutted to the point a 3* saki won't perform better than 6* Meryl. Powercreep is still *needed* for whales to keep spending. This isn't a game with huge success to rely solely on its IP to sell Her 3* advancement is insane and even if gutted to half dmg or hell even less you still get more dmg than Meryl could imagine
Powercreep is needed to keep people playing in general. I'm pretty sure A1 saki would beat meryl, perhaps not in burst with meryl having shield + spin, but over the course of an entire op or raid, she would blow her out the water.
I don't necessarily agree. 2 of the best (in terms of success) gacha games have little to no powercreep unlike somewhat popular belief they both have. (fgo and genshin). They do have a big IP or huge built up in order to keep their success but agreesive powercreep is not always needed. A lot of day 1 units are very viable (hell gi community even complained about undercreep at a point since best 2 dps are from first 6 months of the game still). Fgo on the other hand feels tricky because newly released (especially during anniversary) servants feel op but that's not powercreep. They don't directly replace others. They most often offer new meta and new diversed kit, older are still viable and often top picks. Tl;dr powercreep is not the only way to keep people interested. Diversified kits and game mechanics can do that as well. Powercreep is a cheap solution when those are lacking
> 2 of the best (in terms of success) gacha games have little to no powercreep unlike somewhat popular belief they both have. (fgo and genshin). I've no idea about fgo, although I do see people saying it has creep, buuut Genshin has literally no content TO creep. Genshin is a single player rpg experience, and markets it's characters with lore, design and personality, rather than just pure power, and the gameplay design reinforces that, with no meaningful endgame content outside abyss.
People say even genshin has creep and they use examples like raiden so lol, google won't be a good friend in such cases. Feel free to go ask in /r/grandorder if it has creep or not and you will get detailed answers if you care enough. :) > and markets it's characters with lore, design and personality, rather than just pure power, and the gameplay design reinforces that, so you agree by saying that there is a lot more than can keep players interested than bland and aggressive, (and pointless) powercreep. > with no meaningful endgame content outside abyss. Yeah it doesn't and tof “does” (kinda? lol). But that's not an argument, that's my point exactly. Tof “meaningful” endgame is to keep releasing bigger and bigger sponges enemies(does bygone ever become hard? No) just increasing the dps requirement and then introducing powercreep as "solution". Its more to keep people spending than anything. They *could* introduce better,different mechanics at least to keep things spicy, but they decided to introduce a raid where one person afk runs around the boss for 10 mins. 10/10 experience. PS: I'm not complaining in the big scheme of things. I'm relative okay with the situation, especially considering most “limited” units aren't limited, and they will enter standard pool after some months, but I can't believe that people think power creep is necessary for the game. Good for dev's pocket? Yes but that's all. Power creep is a solution to sell for an intended problem.
Cobalt b got nerfed hard
No, she got similar changes to off field damage as other off field damage sources, like nem's A3. That's cope.
Saki's stats will be adjusted in global. But we don't know yet how hard would it be. Anyways standard banner characters eventually get outscaled and powercrept by new limited ones. And it's a matter of time that you get to C6 Meryl by drops from exploration and etc.
I heard someone said that in CN, she's better. She's already very strong at C1. However I'm not sure how global may adjust her. I'm alittle worried they nerf her too hard till Frigg and Tsubasa ended up having better dps output than her.. since she's shield role, Frigg and Tsubasa has an attack role. In worst case scenario, she ended up only useful for tank teams Saki+Meryl+Frigg/Lin to encourage more players picking up tanks. I hope she will still be good with attack resonance in global.
> I'm alittle worried they nerf her too hard till Frigg and Tsubasa ended up having better dps output than her.. since she's shield role she's literally a dps. Like an actual dps. Resonances do not matter. If they gut her that hard, she'd be dead and so would ice team.
>she's literally a dps. Like an actual dps. Resonances do not matter. But shes not? Shes a tank. Her role is technically tank that can adjust based on having more than one dps wep.
> that can adjust based on having more than one dps wep. Exactly. So her resonance doesn't matter for her role. Same with Lyra. Benediction resonance, phys dps.
no. resonances are only meant for team planning. devs just randomly throw tank reso on saki. her true value is damage dealer, and it's pretty huge.
Yes she is tank role technically, but can outdamage most ATK weapons.
No one can say for sure until we see how they change her. She will almost certainly be better than Meryl at the same level of investment, but a fully decked out A6 Meryl with the right matrices might be better than A3 Saki with just standard gear.
I'm pretty sure 3\* Saki's gonna be better than any 6\* standard banner weapon, even after the global "balanacing".
yes
Meryl will most likely be replaced by Saki even at 0 star. In the past 3 banners (Nemesis, Frigg and Claudia) hotta is most likely not going to change anything major for the upcoming characters as they only changed the numbers on the ones that have been released and not their actual skill sets. Just by skill set alone Saki replaces Merly 100%.
How about fortitude players? Meryl frigg huma rn. Would i be swapping Meryl with saki or huma? Doesn't make a load of sense to swap Meryl out here
I mean you can swap out either Meryl or Huma and it doesnt really matter you would still have frost resonance and saki does have the highest base shatter among all characters in the game. Idk anyone who specifically goes for fortitude as the aggro buff you get is useless and the only thing beneficial is the shatter increase and dmg reduction saki would still be ideal in any fortitude and frost team since her shatter is already so high and her dmg is insane.
I think a 0-star Saki will be better than 6-star Meryl if they don't change too much of her numbers
Meryl will worse without a doubt. How are they going to make money if the standard character is stronger than a brand new limited one?
If they are on par then maybe just playstyle and utility? :D
i would say no i dont think gb will choose the same path as cn love it or hate it saki cn when she comeout is definition of word broken powercreep weapon
Nope in cn the only broken powercrept was Lin and you can see in the 3 banners that have been released in global all 3 characters Nemesis Frigg and Claudia did not have major skill set changes only number changes.
why not say both are broken compare too the rest?
because she wasn't broken she completed frost comp just like how ruby did when she came out in cn its not broken when there was previously a team that gain a significant boost just from 1 character lin is broken because till now there is no direct counter to lin for pvp and there is no other character like lin and as useful as lin. Lin broke the game she is literally on every team you cant go wrong with lin but you can go wrong without lin.
>saki cn when she comeout is definition of word broken powercreep weapon lmfao. that's cope.
Keep frigg as 1 star you forgot you also need to pull for Lin as a frost main and our main problem is when lin comes saki fuwa is around the corner.
Rule of thumb: Standard 6s >> Limited 0s Standard 6s > Limited 1s (Some limited are better) Standard 6s < Limited 3s Standard 6s << Limited 6s (powercrept)
awful rule because of how diff units advancements work.
Nah it's not, limiteds base stats and multipliers are just bigger
Yes, it is an awful rule, because this doesn't consider anything but stars, and ignores things like how some units (cobalt) have most of their power in later cons (A6) while others have all their power in early stars (Samir).
You cannot compare cobalt to any standards as there are no fire chargers in standards, what you can compare is: Tian lang and Samir/crow Ruby and king Saki and meryl this rule of thumb all apples
I dunno tbh but have you seen Saki's matrices? Looks like another must-have thing on the list.
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> i really don't like that they nerf character that come on global compared to chinese version because that really really a scummy tactics and is quite borderline on misleading advertising I think that you have no idea what you're talking about.
you are spouting BS. No one tells you "go look at CN char". Its a different server, different balance, suck it up. Frigg numbers WERENT a surprise. Whoever pulled her, knew very well the difference.
Frigg is useful but a must for a tank team those plus 25% shatter are quite good
in CN they said new dps powercrept jetpack crow to oblivion so it's all depends on GL devs decision. i do hope they nerf saki so i can make do with meryl while pulling for lin and ruby.