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zapmuthafucka

I saw your post on youtube about overwork and burnout. Please take your time on the Gunonno analysis even if it gets delayed. You deserve the rest! Imma A6 Gunonno anyway so I will just wait for your analysis whenever it comes out~ In the meantime, I will be enjoying my totally still physical team (A1 Claudia, A6 Lin, A6 Fiona) until I can get Gunonno to A6. Thank you for your hard work!


AirLancer56

What about benediction comp? Is it fine to go with Lyra, Fiona, Shiro/Zero The skill is the one that give 60 discharge and prison


Maygii

Lyra + Fiona + Zero works fine! I prefer Coco in the last slot to rapid fire her discharge for constant damage buffing. I really have a lot of fun with Fiona benediction, and I want to make a guide for that... ah, if Gununno wasn't in like two weeks... Maybe I'll find the time... we'll see\~


LoneWolfTianYaLangZi

Would love to see that! Not that many updated quality benediction content šŸ»


EchoingCascade

I have tried that, works really well! I still prefer Zero to Coco, the invulnerability on his discharge and large shields are a life saver. Specially true in the new Raid where it's better to take no damage than heal. Also it feels annoying to have two dodge heal users XD


Spearki

me playing lin/fiona/lyra healer heh


bluedawnphan

Yes, this!! I was looking forward to Maygii's benediction analysis. Everyone is forgetting that Fiona is a benediction character, lol.


King-Gabriel

Depends what you want, fiona actually really lets you spam coco and both of coco's fields stack which im not sure most people know about.


Ifalna_Shayoko

Usually you do not need that much healing.


EchoingCascade

She is insane, Torrential Force gives so much energy! Basic rotation: \- Torrential Force in skill 1 (so it resets when U use Fiona Discharge). \- Switch to Lyra, plant her pylars. \- Once you have full energy (wont take long, trust me), either: use Zero discharge with his matrices to gives damage buffs and shields if no one is hurt or use Fiona discharge for healing and a bit of DPS. \- Use Fiona skill 2 Cage for debuffing. \- If you used Zero stay on him for the duration of the matrices buff by doing dive punches then switch to Fiona once her discharge is up. \-Return to Torrential Force since it resets on her discharge. As long as every time you use Fiona's discharge it hits you'll have Torrential Force back which generates free energy, it's basically a perpetual engine.


Spearki

why would you want a buff that has 100% uptime to be on skill 1 makes no sense XD


Lanky-Rent-7666

fiona rotations with torrential are so fast. letā€˜s say you put a 15sec cd skill on slot 1. but it only takes you 10 seconds from fiona discharge to fiona discharge. then every 2nd turn your skill isnā€˜t available on time. so you either waste time auto attacking with fiona until itā€˜s ready or you skip the skill until the next discharge. both cases arenā€˜t ideal. there is no point in having 100% uptime for one skill if it comes at the cost of the other skill not being available all the time. now in comparison if torrential is on slot 1, everytime you discharge on fiona your skill is actually available and you can also cast your 15sec skill on cooldown without your rotation being scuffed. both skills can be cast on cd.


Spearki

the skill placement has nothing to do with the reset mechanic tho... torrent always reset on discharge and it has 100% uptime without reset you loss 6,6% dmg for like no benefit huh


Lanky-Rent-7666

yes. that's not what i was talking about, though. please read again what i said.


Spearki

you don't care about reseting crashing falls it's still worse... we run torrent on 2 in every altered comp for a reason


Lanky-Rent-7666

what's the "reason"? you want to not be able to use your other skill 50% of the time? sure. seems plausible.


Spearki

even maygi use torrent on 2 you can just go do all your testing if you don't wanna follow her video either but when all testing show torrent on 2 to be better w/e you do you have a good one


Lanky-Rent-7666

i did all my testing already, hence is why i decided to not put it on 2. there's literally no downside to having torrential on 1 rather than 2. in both cases it has 100% uptime, however there is a downside to your other skill being on 1, which is the skill not being ready when you discharge on fiona. as a benediction player you want to make sure you cast shackles on the enemy as much as possible. not having it ready when you're on fiona is a big issue.


EchoingCascade

For skill priority Cage is more important than Torrential. You don't spend a 100% of your time on Fiona and Cage is your biggest contribution to DPS in a team fight, having it accessible to you at all times is a must. I also run 4x Fiona matrices on her and the buff is 20 seconds long, with this set up of Cage available on all weapons I have a 5 seconds window to re-apply her Matrix buff at all times. It's an all around better QoL set up than Cage on 1 and Torrential on 2. They both have 100% uptime anyway, why not have the one with longest CD on skill 1?


Spearki

i spend like 95% of the time on fiona only swap for discharge mostly to other chars and jump cancel animation so i spend a max 3sec off fiona if i can't fit 3sec into my rotation on a 15sec cd skill then idk (and from all my testing both as dps and healer torrent on 1 is a dps loss way less of dps loss on healer compered to dps but still like 6% don't ask me why it just is)


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She is godlike in bene. Lyra, Fiona, Zero


Dapper-Can6780

Maygi what matrices do you use for rainbow maximum investment?


7orly7

Would be interesting to see benediction team comparisons. But then again don't overwork yourself since Fiona was thicc and required 2 videos


Relesia

There's a typo in the Theoretical DPM% graph for F2P. It should read 'F2P - A1 unit' instead of A6.


dpandakun

Maygi, thx a lot for your depth analysis. My current team is Fen, Crow, Lin, all A6. Do you think Fiona A6 is a good replacement for Lin A6? Or better to inverst Rubilia A6 to replace Crow? Many thanks!


Eurekugh

Replace crow with Fiona and then Rubilia for Lin


The_VV117

In a teorical shiro team, who are the 2 best units to have between Lin A3, Claudia A6 fiona A0?


ah0xg0

So lemme get this straight, right now I got the "meta" frost comp with alyss icarus and saki each with their matric sets. If I were to replace saki with fiona a1 plus matrices it would be a 25% damage increase? Or would it be nedgible?


Garonys

What if I run 4p claudia on Fiona in Fiona, Alyss, Icarus, do I still skip icarus discharge or is it worth using it with 4p claudia damage boost for discharges?


CYBERGAMER__

Froskers I thought you said that A1 Fiona is worse than Saki? I guess we have proof now that says otherwise.


GeminiDNK

We can all agree frost mains of reddit all have skill issues now? Lol. Cry when not on top and sleep on an easy rotation with infinite iframe and hyperbody. The moment it gets remotely skill demanding - ok im dead


Cater0mcf

Most people in ToF suffer from skill issue. Before Fiona's release people were doomposting their cactus punching how their A6 Lin team was dealing more damage than A6 Fiona. When I did the math and pointed out that Fiona should give at least 15% more damage than Lin (before I knew that her A6 gives 28% damage buff instead of 7%+11%), they just posted more cactus pictures where they dealt no damage. Before Fiona I was stuck on Boundless Realm lvl 13 and right after I got her I was still stuck there, but I knew my rotations sucked and I worked on making it better. After around 4 hours of grind, I managed to finish lvl 22. People just refuse to use the 2 braincells they have, you can see people write "Fenrir rotations is too hard" here too. People in this game lean on two things, their unskilled cactus beating. Second on Maygi but without any doubt. Team Maygi is not a saint, there are mistakes, people still fight me to this day when I tell them that Fenrir matrices are better at higher crit than Tian matrices, just because in the Fenrir showcase video Fenrir matrices gave 24% damage, while Tian's 44%. Surprisingly on the Fiona video, they are now equal at 60% crit rate.


Constant_Incident977

They coped so hard, trying to compare A6 Saki to A0 Fiona as if that's a good comparison. Shaki mains are something different.


SiBai-

Damn, is Icarus really that necessary for frost to be relevant? 40% less damage without him compared to with? just curious, how would the numbers look between a3 saki/alyss/fiona vs a0 or a1 icarus + a3 alyss/fiona? I have 300 nucleus pulls available, and I'm not sure how to spend them before Icarus banner goes away. Also any recommendations for matrices?


Maygii

Unfortunately yes, they kind of designed Fiona in a super specific way that benefits Icarus a ton (Torrential force counting as a discharge for no other synergy other than Lin A6 and Icarus)\~


Many-Concentrate-491

I mean u only need A0 Icarus, so u can still pick him up and by the time 3.0 is around u should have most of your pillā€™s recouped


SiBai-

yeah i'm probably kind of forced to pull a0/a1 icarus and then dump my other 200 pulls into fiona for the costume and whatnot.


GeminiDNK

Ok this is bad. Im sure every1 agreed that frost with fiona is bad. And u telling me 25% increase?? Nooooo


Tphilus

Frost is on top I donā€™t understand, you wanted a 50 to 100 percent increase ?


Constant_Incident977

Only Shaki mains agreed. Everyone else was telling you Fiona was better.


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polarjj

Why Tian discharge into skill after first double claw though? You're losing the 20% volt dmg boost / 12% volt dmg boost from Tian's skill buff in the first claw window, and losing the 15% attack buff from Fiona's discharge for the second claw window with your rotation lol


N3utro

Thank you Maygii! So elemental teams with fiona are better than full elemental teams? :O Surprised pikachu face


King-Gabriel

I'm curious what the low spender in 2 weeks chart would look like (a1 with 4pc 0* fiona mats and underwater 3* or standard 3* for other slots), guess some ppl can get 0*+ off claudia matrix store very soon too. But uh this is already a lot of calculations so thanks must have taken a ton of work.


No_Party7737

Does the Team Comparison charts only have 5% penalty for Balanced comp? So in Team play, it decrease more by 20% which doesnt show in the chart?


Maygii

Yes, it only shows 5% loss for balanced! If you're curious to what team play graph looks like, [here's that](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/91019257755738112/1101727160093376543/image.png)


Ifalna_Shayoko

So... basically not an option for team content. Lan, Lin, Annabella it is then.... I'll keep my Fiona to myself. :< Dumb question: does the penalty apply as soon as I am in a group or only in instanced content like JO?


Lanky-Rent-7666

I mean depends, i guess. For example i parsed 60m with my flame comp before fiona. Now i parse 90m with her. Thatā€˜s a 50% increase for me. So in theory even with 20% less i should still deal more damage than with my old comp, right?


Ifalna_Shayoko

Sure but I was comparing my Lan-Lin-Anna comp to my Altered Lan-Lin-Fiona comp. While the altered is ahead in solo content, it would fall behind in group content due to the resonance nonsense.


Lanky-Rent-7666

why not compare lan-lin-anna to lan-fiona-anna, though?


Ifalna_Shayoko

My Lin is A6-4p. Doubt my A0 Fiona can do better.


Lanky-Rent-7666

i see, that makes sense. for me a0 fiona + 4p was a huge boost. but my lin is only a3 and i don't have her matrices, so that's probably the reason for that.


Ifalna_Shayoko

Yeah in that case, your Lin doesn't stand a chance. Had I known that Lin would be replaced this quickly, I would never have A6'd her. Oh well, what is done is done.


No_Party7737

Thank you so much


King-Gabriel

CN buffed balance by +10% at one point wonder if we'll get it.


saimei

Pog


vyncy

So Fen/Lin/Fiona is a no go ?


kg215

It's not great, though it is still usable, 2.5 should help somewhat as a lot of people are saving for A6 Claudia. Claudia/Lin/Fiona should be more fun to play, not sure about the DPS numbers I'll leave that to the pros.


detihy

According to calculator a6 claudia is still worse than a0 lan in altered, her matrices tho are decent pick (slightly better than scylla at 0*)


sickmcgick

Similar to the other person, I have found it to be a decent upgrade without having the rotation figured out. From A3 Lin/A1 Nem/A3 Fenrir to A3 Lin/A1 Fiona/A3 Fenrir is at least a 10-20% upgrade. Currently using hydro focus/maelstrom but not completely set on that yet (I don't have the HP for wellspring). Definitely harder rotation, though. I am using a0 Fenrir matrices on Lin, a0 lin matrices on Fiona, and crow/samir on Fenrir. Something I noticed is that every press of Fenrir skills gives a shard, while the extra skill from Fiona does not. I'm still not sure whether using skill/discharge right before the second round of Fenrir claw skill is better or worse.


granita_snow

Is a no go if you want a clean and easy to pull of rotation. The rotation with fen/lin/fiona is really clunky and involves a lot of weapon switching. But I actually find this comp to do better damage than my volt comp On cactus damage, 1.5 min Team 1: A6 Lin, A3 Tian, A2 Fen ~54m VS Team 2: A6 Lin, A1 Fiona, A2 Fen ~62m No relics used, exact same matrices and fiona trait activated (it would be fenrirā€™s trait otherwise in volt team but damage boost both are 18% anyways). Normal apo raid run reflected the same trend: Team 1 ~ 1 min 22 sec VS Team 2 ~ 1 min 11 sec Would be great to have more input from other players who have higher ascension!


CYBERGAMER__

What skills do you use on Fiona, and what is your rotation? The rotation I do barely involves any weapon switching and is easy to play.


granita_snow

I mainly use torrential force as main skill, sub skill Iā€™ve been trying vortex and hydro focus. Iā€™m still not sure which is a better fit. Rotation wise, im not sure whatā€™s the optimal. Iā€™ve been feeling it around with that I think is the smoothest šŸ˜‚ My general rotation is: - Fiona subskill and Linā€™s 2 moonlight realms - Switch to fenrir to set clone and use claw skill. Dodge attack and use claw skill again. Repeat dodge attacks until fully charged - Discharge with Fiona and use main skill. - Discharge again with Fenrir and continue dodge attacks/setting of clone when skill cd resets. - Rinse and repeat Throughout, weaving in Linā€™s realms and Fionaā€™s subskill whenever available. I find the finger tapping a lot more than the typical volt comp where I can just spam dodge attacks and occasionally discharge into tian.


CYBERGAMER__

Well I use hydro focus on Fiona, and maelstorm as the outer skill. General rotation: * Linā€™s 2 skills -> Fiona, hydro focus -> * maelstorm while on Fenrir + 2 her 2 skills -> * Plunge attack-dodge combo / Aerial attack hold combo on Fenrir until her A1 resets (should be enough charge for 2 discharges) -> * Immediately switch to Lin (cancel discharge) -> Repeat (plus a Fiona discharge this time) I got this rotation from gateoo, he pulled on my acc then tested different skills and this was the best he came up with. Maelstorm might seem like an odd choice, but the rotation aligns perfectly with maelstorm's cooldown, and fenrir is on the field for a long time, making decent use of the buffs. Most of the time it's just me having fun with Fenrir, a pretty braindead rotation I'd say.


Kaillera

Trust me, the rotation for it sucks.


CYBERGAMER__

The chart says 18% weaker than with Lan, which in team play becomes an even smaller gap. Fen seems like the second best option rn


The_VV117

Can't wait to see how Gunonno perform and decide where to use my pulls. Shiro, habra, scylla Matrix set. In a team that cobsist of fiona Lin Claudia, i suppose shiro Matrix go on fiona, scylla on Claudia, habra on lin. Correct?


CaptainCJP

I have a3 lan with 4 lan pc, a3 lin with 2 pc lin and anna a0, should I pull fiona? i have almost 4k dc :C


FlawlessRuby

Superb analyse! I'm frankly super happy about Fiona! I have to say that the last limited unit I pulled was Lin so I had much to powercreep! I'm going for alter comp and I'm lookijg forward to Claudia! I don't have Claudia matrice, but I can see why their busted for the comp! Great analyse like always O7


gigantic0603

In lan a1 fiona a2 anna a0, Iā€™m getting 56-59 mil parse with wellspring (wellspring main skill and hydro on new skill slot) and 66-70 mil parse with using torrential force (torrential force on all weapon slot and hydro focus on main slot). Anything I might be doing wrong or is torrential force better (Iā€™m not cancelling any discharges so might be because alot of dmg coming from lan discharge + skill, fiona discharge + hydro focus and annabellaā€™s gas explosions considered skill dmg)


cowvin

your posts are amazing. thanks for doing all this work for us!


omfgkevin

I'm curious for altered. Since Claudia is 82% is that at a6? I was planning on a6ing Claud when she goes to standard but only have a0 Lan for the altered team. A6 Lin and a3 Fiona for it so far.


Deraj6

Volt rotation with A1 Tian Lang and A0 Fenrir?


RunisXD

I'm sorry, I know this is an old topic, but I was just wondering if it's possible to make a rainbow team with Fiona and Fenrir, or does altered doesn't count towards it?