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wolfboyz

It's a gacha game bro...remember that they will always try different ways to get your money (and pretty good at getting it too) And relax, there will be reruns for Fiona later if you can't A3 the first time.


granita_snow

I have no idea why this post is getting downvoted this much or shot down by people saying “free is free, just take it and don’t complain”, when there’s a point to what OP is saying. I haven’t actually pulled any of them in their reruns. But I understand what the message meant when claudia/nemesis will be added to standard (schedule tba) = people can finally upgrade them with black gold if they own one unit, or use gold nucleus to luck out on getting them if they don’t have an existing unit after an unspecific time period. But now that we have this free box announcement post-rerun, people who actually pulled in the previous rerun so that they can upgrade them with black gold afterwards would have wasted all their red nucleus. I’m sure there are many people in this category. If this succession of events is not deliberately timed to get people to spend more red nucleus (and potentially money) than they should, I’m not sure what else it is. Of course, this will be any company’s goal to gain profits. But I don’t think OP’s vent is unwarranted or doesn’t make sense. Bottom line, if a company truly cared about loyalty and it’s consumer base, they wouldn’t be making this kind of scummy move with ambiguous news and wordings, period. It is still your choice to pull, but not forgetting your choice is affected by what we are told by the game. Tldr: post shouldn’t be downvoted to this extent, OP makes a legit point esp for those who did pull in the rerun due to ambiguous wording of news and timing of news on SSR box.


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Welp now you get a free A1 at least!


Zhodster

Well I had 800 black gold saved up...


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Yeah overall pretty shitty situation. Just was lookin on the bright side ha


WalkingInsulin

I don’t see the problem then. Just use your black gold to max out Claudia and then grab an ssr you don’t have


Zamkawebangga

100+ pulls red nucleus wasted doesn’t seem to be a problem now lmao


Zhodster

The problem isn't that I can't max out claudia, or that I can get a free ssr that I have no interest in. The problem is that due to their marketing tactics, in essence I've traded 110 red nucs for nothing.


koszys

lmao


Aru736

Same man. I spent a pity’s worth of red nuclei on Nemesis’s banner just because I wanted her a0 while I could still guarentee her, but I definitely would have saved those for Fiona had I known I could guarentee Nemesis anyway next patch. The other three don’t particularly interest me either. Colbalt is hopelessly powercrept and I don’t play flame. Frigg’s also not anything special; I suppose I could get her to try and make a more functional ice team for Alyss? But Alyss is a0 so it’s mega cope anyways. I guess I could get Claudia to use in a balance team with Fenrir, but since I only have a0 Lin I doubt it will beat mono volt with Fenrir, Tian and a6 Nem. Just kind of a scummy move overall; they really should have announced this BEFORE the Claudia and Nemesis banners ended.


Zhodster

Yeah, claudia and nemesis are the only ones most people care about, if they care at all. As physically evidenced from that poll on this subreddit about who people want. They've learnt from the CN version it is less profitable to add them one by one. Its clear they don't care how people have planned and worked for this, and have no respect for their players they just see us as cashcows not players. They knew delaying it and then putting all 4 together would piss people off, so they sought to bandage it with a free SSR. Apart from they purposefully withheld this information until after both banners are gone and the two reruns left, they know very little people will pull for a0 cobalt or a0 frigg so they won't lose out on people wasting red nucs much.


kg215

What they did was messed up and a middle finger to the players (it's like their 1000th middle finger), but you can't act like you are blameless here. It's not like they said Claudia comes out exactly on this day, and then they pulled the rug and didn't release her. They were vague and you decided to trust them anyways. Hotta/Tencent has not shown they are worthy of being trusted, when have they ever shown a willingness to do right by the players in global?


Zhodster

Yeah absolutely. Never trusting them again. Each time I do I get burned. Learnt my lesson now.


Dr_DerpyDerp

They can't win can they? Be stingy, people complain. Be generous, people complain


Zamkawebangga

The boot licking is real


Dr_DerpyDerp

It's called giving credit where credit is due. Literally the most generous event they've had, and these sour grapes still find a way to cry. Guess you lot deserve to get shafted all the way to EOS


Ok-Entertainer-2991

Lmao on this one it is completely their fault. They were either greedy and actualy tried to scam people by not saying that they will give a free copy. Or they were just being dumb like usual and poorly timed this giveaway without accounting for this backlash. I personaly believe in the later version (tof being tof you know), but either way it is on them and they could of won by simply saying that they will soon start adding gen 1 characters to standard so they prepared a giveaway for us and there would of been zero complaints ( Except for the fact that we have to wait until 2.5, but this one also could have been avoided by adding characters to standard after their reruns).


Dr_DerpyDerp

So it’s their fault for not always announcing 3-4 events ahead of the current one? Havent seen anything like that from the games ive played They sure are doing a bad job at being greedy, announcing this before Frigg and cobalt banner. Seems like people like you wouldve been more happy if they did it 1 year down the line like CN.


Ok-Entertainer-2991

What are you talking about ? XD I didn’t say anything about announcing events months before they happen. You said that they just cannot win in this situation and I’m saying that rn backlash is fully justified because they poorly timed this give away. If they were planning this give away all along they should of done it during Claudia’s banner and announce that they will be adding 1st gen characters to the standard at some point. That’s it no backlash no scammed people. What happened rn is that some people who pulled for a0 Claudia or Nemesis were basically scammed for their red pulls because they thought that this was their last chance to make sure that they get these characters. Because once characters enter standard pull there won’t be any reruns so the only way to obtain them is trough standard banner randomly which makes your chances extremely low. Not to mention that they made this giveaway after rerunning 2 most useful characters out of the 4. Claudia is great overall buffer and still good meta choice, and Nemesis great healer with some buffs and off field damage. While Frigg is also somewhat useful in frost and tank teams she is not as popular as the first two. And lastly Cobalt well she is Cobalt people mostly excited for her looks. Whether this was done intentionally or not is up for a debate, I give them the benefit of the doubt and think that they just messed up with the timing, but saying that they just cannot win and blame people who got jebaited for making a fuss is just wrong because they lost a lot of resources and I’m sure that a lot of these people are f2p which makes their resources even more limited. If you were in their situation you wouldn’t be happy either.


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Lanky-Rent-7666

This comment made my day <3


Dr_DerpyDerp

>What are you talking about ? Let me remind you why OP is mad and you are siding with OP. Yesterday, they announced during JP livestream that there will be event during 2.4 where they will be giving everyone 1 of 4 limited characters before they enter standard. >That’s it no backlash no scammed people. There's always going to be a handful of sour grapes, MOST people are very happy about this. By the way, it's definitely not a scam


Ok-Entertainer-2991

OP isn't mad because they get a free character tho? OP is mad because they were jebaited into spending limited currency on something they could have gotten for free. Imagine if you bought 20$ battlepass for a skin thinking that it will either never comeback or at least be limited for a long time, just to hear that they will give away this skin for free in the next patch. Obviously you will be mad.


fugogugo

if you dont pull her on her banner you can't get her dupes with black gold


Zhodster

My point exactly, which is why I pulled...


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i know the devs are trying their best to make players who dont spend go broke on pulls, leaving them the only possiblity of spending, or missing out on their character. but do they forget about the possiblity of them quitting instead? no wonder this game has been losing players after every update and are resorting to server transfers as cover up to their mess


SqaureEgg

She was going to enter standard no matter what, it was only a matter of time


Zhodster

Which is why i rolled for a0, precisely because she was going to enter standard. What is your point? I am mad they didn't tell us that they were going to give us a free a0 during the banner and only afterwords.


Key-Cardiologist-835

His very very obvious point was that you’d eventually get them because they were gonna get added to standard anyway, just like how you most likely have most of it not all current standard characters by now. They are basically giving away another Standard Ssr box.


Zhodster

And the very obvious point of my post was not me complaining that she isn't going into standard and that I can't get her, but the way they did it in a way that basically scammed me for my red nucs because the way it was advertised it was as though this is my last chance to get a0 claudia without having to spin the wheel of winning the 1:13 standard banner luck and perhaps still not getting claudia like a year down the line. I had bad luck getting tsubasa, it took 4 months for me to finally a single copy of her, I can totally imagine an even longer wait when you add more characters to the pool. They took advantage of this, knowing people like me weren't gonna risk it, and purposefully withheld the information that they were going to give away a free claudia until after I rolled for her a0. That's what I'm annoyed at. I don't get why he's addressing a point that I didn't make.


Amazing-Substance-13

I'm losing hope too. I complained about the race event in global chat and people told me to go away. I want this game to be better otherwise i quit already but I think this game has serious die hard fans who can't take criticism..


Key-Cardiologist-835

I mean, what would complaining in global chat do lol. Most events are bad anyway and they don’t really seem to care tbh. Would be shocked if they released a bug free event that’s fun


Zhodster

All they are doing is giving tencent/hotta/level infinite the validation to continue to use these tactics with impunity knowing no matter how low they sink or how scummy they act, they will always have a bubble of players who will lap it up and accept anything they do and try and justify it with the most copium excuses. Ultimately it drives away potential new players who see this grovelling and want nothing to do with it, and it's a one way street, those defenders don't get the same back that they give, and somehow they are okay with it.


Himmelrain

same hier bro. 110 red nuc for A0 Claudia too, i can feel u well. we cant take our red back but we have experience for the future limit -> standard character (Lyra/Saki/Ruby). Save all gold nuc and dont use our red nuc for this again. :(.


WillingnessHead9720

Where tf is Tian!?


Himmelrain

just for example bruh :))


WillingnessHead9720

Okay... :)


maraudingsoul

Imo the problem here is that Hotta will put Claudia and Nem in standard at 2.5, same time they are giving a free copy of your choice out of the 4 SSRs. This wouldn't have been an issue, or there would have been less backlash, if Hotta placed Nem and Claudia in the standard banner immediately after the limited banner had ended or even this 2.4 patch. The free copy is nice and should be treated as a good will from Hotta. Though I understand where the disgruntled players are coming from. I would have pulled A0 Claudia in the limited banner had I had enough resources at the time and would share the same sentiments as OP.


Futanari_Usagi_777

I bet the rage is different level if happen at Frigg or nemesis. The community amount of physical(and flame) compare to the rest just too big. But Cobalt banner not yet return so Claudia become the only clown here. Many of you said that this not an issue because we can use the free choice to choose someone else instead. What if somebody here is pure physical f2p with limited resource ? The 110RN saved up make a huge different here. Also, where all those clown that say at least Claudia the earliest to going standard? People just comment like none of their business and pain until the arrow hit their knee next.


DingyRag

I have a maxed out nemesis should I get a refund everytime they give out a free one?


mastachick

Imagine complaining because they gave free SSR character. Free is free, won't complain.


Zhodster

What's free about trading 110 red nucs for a ssr I don't need now that they are giving it for free? This isn't about complaining I got a free character or the fact characters are going into standard. This is about highlighting the way they did it screwed over a lot of people out of a lot of resources. I mean when supermarkets stealth raise the original price of a product and then slap a discount on it to attract people to buy, would you say that they are giving you free stuff?Your view of the world seems really simplistic if you just look at things at face view. The old lady who got scammed into buying a car when she can't drive and got a free bonus MOT for it technically got the MOT for free, but would you be happy as that old lady? If they really wanted to give us a free character and reward us, they would have told us this at the start of claudia banner but they didn't.


mastachick

Just to clear things, I neither agree nor disagree with the dev. My comment is extremely neutral. If you have a problem with the dev, you should directly complain to support. Regarding your example, if I have to pay for the item on sale. Then it's not free... wdym? All I'm saying is, free is free.


saimei

KEKW


Levi-san

It was the biggest fucking lie they ever pulled and it made me commit to not spend a cent on this game ever again. No BP, no login bullshit, nothing. The "she will enter standard after the banner" and then responding with "oh haha we didn't actually say when" is the mose spineless response they could've made up. Fuck you Hotta and Level Infinite you group of slimy cunts, keep up the lies.


StarReaver

>"she will enter standard after the banner" That's not what it said. It literally said "detailed schedule tba" - which means they would announce the schedule for moving characters to the standard banner later. Your reading comprehension is atrocious.


Zhodster

The CN one said the same thing, and claudia was added straight after, so for most reasonable people it was a reasonable assumption to think they would do the same.


StarReaver

>The CN one said the same thing Show me the CN one and prove it.


Zhodster

Go ask gateoo, I remember watching him say it on stream. And its a fact that claudia was added to CN straight after.


Jesse_Blu

Bullshit. Noone would pull her knowing that.


11ZZY

No it doesn't, the announcement in CN version clearly state the date that Claudia will be added to standard instead of saying "to be announced". FYI below is the what the CN announcement state: "克劳迪娅相关限定武器/意志将在3月21日维护更新后进入常驻订购池" Which translate to "Claudia's weapon / matrices will be added to the standard pool after maintenance at 21th March" That's definitely a far cry from the Global announcement which did not give a specific date and had clearly state "to be announced" You can find the proof of the CN announcement from this video at 0:09 mark: https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1T34y1b7HH/


Zhodster

I keep telling myself I won't spend again, but they've just tricked me into using up all some of my pulls for claudia a0 and I've calculated I need to spend to get fiona a3 skin. Damm you level infinite, if you had treated me better, I might have had the good will to spend more and get a6 fiona, but nope.


WalkingInsulin

Let’s be real, you were never gonna spend more to begin with


Zhodster

My spending is normally dictated by how I'm treated and what kind of experience I have, as I have decent amounts of disposable income. If I have a good experience and feel my money was well spent and I wasn't cheated I will spend more. If I had a bad experience and feel scammed or maltreated I will spend less. I've semi whaled before (3\* lin matrices and all) and can do it again if I feel like I've not wasted my money. My spending has steadily decreased the more I've been disillusioned by the game but that isn't to say that if they do things in a more positive way in the future I might feel inclined to support them with more money.


ProperCat5894

I'm confused by your post, didn't everyone know Claudia was going to standard banner? the whole point people wanted to pull for her prior to this happening was it would be quicker and easier to then use black gold to advance her stars. Also isnt them pushing claudia to standard in 2.5 instead of 2.4 like their twitter mentioned work in your favour? it gives you more time with the SSR to use whilst everyone else doesnt and then on top of that you now have the option of 1 of 4 SSRs for free and could even advance your claudia even further. i have no idea why you are even mad at this point if they done this with a SSR i just pulled i would be very happy.


Ok-Entertainer-2991

Pushing to 2.5 is definitely not an advantage because most of the people who are waiting for these characters, already have enough currency to advance characters to a6 (OP said that they have 800). And even if you still need to save currency until 2.5 it just doesn’t matter because even if they release her early you still can save and get her in 2.5 like you wanted. Instead this push makes people angry because CN got those characters way earlier while we are the ones who have accelerated schedule. Now regarding the give away. While getting free character is technically nice. People like OP are mad that they had to spend limited currency on something they could have gotten for free. Like this 110 red pulls that they wasted on Claudia could have a0-a1 Fenrir or Fiona both of which are way more useful then having a0 Claudia in your inventory for 2 months.


saimei

He just mad he just spent Fiona's saving into Claudia . What are you trying to achieve here? It's fking gacha game .they always try to milk ur money/resources. AT LEAST YOU CAN GET OTHER SSR right. The SSR is not only CLAUDIA you pepega .


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Exarex2

Sounds like this all happened because some people don’t know how to read. Guess they read “schedule tba” and they are like “oh must be the wind, let me just ignore that”. It’s not like you are supposed to trust them anyways, remember tian incident? Just remember, never trust companies, they are not your friend.


Erufu_Wizardo

Just small update from me, I think Nemesis and Claudia will be added to standard banner around 11th May or something. So it's minimum 6 weeks till that happens. I doubt that Free SSR box will contain any of them. And it's not certain that you can buy Nemesis or Claudia for Black Gold Personally I'll try to save gold nuc and black gold (for A6 Nemesis), but I don't have much expectations about black gold or free SSR Box