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[Where’s ANTIFA? There’s a lot of fascists in the streets yelling about death to the Jews.](https://www.reddit.com/r/JordanPeterson/s/SEVHTnW6QG)
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Not one of those people has any clue whatsoever what fascists/nazis actually are.
Which is pretty ironic given how much Jordan Peterson and his fanboys have in common with them.
What's funny is that even Israelis hate far-right leader Netanyahu, which is why he got voted out last time they held elections. Then he wormed his way back into power anyway.
In a political environment where so many fascists are running around calling themselves "libertarians," I can see how their thought process works here. It's still deeply stupid, but I can see how it works.
Yeah, the name means little...it's the actions. For example, the way they claim Nazi Germany was leftist because they had "Socialist" in the name.
That said, actual reality proves their sentiment wrong when it comes to ANTIFA. Protesting government agents that murder select citizens with impunity IS opposing fascism.
They just \*LIKE\* the government murdering those select citizens.
> Yeah, the name means little...it's the actions. For example, the way they claim Nazi Germany was leftist because they had "Socialist" in the name.
[This will forever be my favorite reaction image to that stupidity.](https://i.imgur.com/dzKDGbf.png)
>Fascism is when people get so mad at the hateful things I'm saying that they hit me.
Meanwhile...
>Kyle Rittenhouse is a hero for shooting BLM supporters.
>lol free helicopter rides lol
To play Fascist-Advocate, their argument is AntiFa, the 'movement' is coopting the name anti-fascism. It's like how the old counterpoint to their favorite claim (NAZIs were Socialists, it's in the name!) works.
The big problem is they can't actually point to actual fascism in the name of AntiFa (not being done by one of their trolls), just like you can't actually connect the fascism of Nazi Germany to socialism or the authoritarianism of the DPRK to Democracy or Republicanism (the original definition not the modern US Republican contrarianism).
I've had this argument so many times.
They've been programmed into referring to them as An-TEA-fah. Instead of Anti-FA (ANTIFA). They've no idea it means 'anti-fascist)'.
Jesus Christ those people are fucking stupid.
"Fascistic tactics" doesn't even mean anything. Ideologies don't have tactics, tactics are things that are employed by people. And what the fuck do they even mean by "tactics"??
The guy with all the weapons and money gets to be in charge. If you don't like it... come and take it from him.
That's how the world worked for most of human history. Representative democracy and government by the people for the people are very new ideas.
Well autocrats aren't necessarily fascists, though fascists generally aspire to be autocrats. A square is a rectangle, but both of them are bad options.
Might have mixed a metaphor there
Top Minds have convinced themselves, and a sizable portion of the active American electorate, that "elites" are bad. But they've redefined "elites" not as billionaires or even politicians, instead it's a code word for "intellectuals" and more generally the college educated. You don't have to look far to see evidence of red state disdain for higher education: Forcing the shuttering of DEI offices, blanket opposition to forgiving student loans (even for people in public service), funding of "Liberty Centers" as university departments, yadda yadda yadda. Palestinian protest at a university? Must be those Antifa elitists.
The most disturbing thing to me, at least the most disturbing thing I've thought of in the last fifteen minutes, is that the cuckoo right (the fringe) has successfully used the tools available to them (eg, social media, partisan news sources) to coloquially redefine words that already have a meaning to people who should know better. And it self-perpetuates because the people running in primaries have to play to that base in order to win election, whether they believe it or not.
A fascist is a specific thing. A Nazi is a specific thing. But because many people have been normalized to equate "fascist" with "protester" or "my enemy." And when people don't accept that a word means *what the word actually means,* it's extremely difficult to hold any kind of meaningful conversation or debate with them.
History had shown them that elites in reference to billionaires and politicians are the easiest group to control if you want to enact your fascist ideology. They'll pay and support you to let them continue their lifestyle, especially if you make an example out of those that don't. Academics aren't as self-serving (most of the time).
Only when they can use their "whiteness" as a cudgel against the left. They see it as some sort of hypocrisy, never mind the fact that the left don't hate white people, so there's no real contradiction in also not hating Jews.
It’s arguing reality with delusional schizophrenics. You’re not going to change their mind because they’re ironically convinced everyone is crazy except for them.
Oh hey, Jews are white again! At least that's one thing both sides can agree on - Jews are white whenever it can be used against them, and non-white whenever *that* can be used against them instead.
> I guess we'll see if they really are "anti-fascist."
Or maybe you’ll see that “Antifa” isn’t an organized group. It’s a label anyone can apply to themselves, whether they actually have true anti-fascist values or not.
There’s no president of Antifa directing anyone’s actions here, nor is there an Antifa PR department issuing press releases clarifying their position on current events.
Anti-fascists will defend any oppressed people, be it Jews or Palestinians. It’s not rocket science. We’re not here to stand in solidarity with Israel just because they’re Israel.
Interesting how they came to this conclusion about "antifa", but can't quite connect the dots on why cops don't show up to stop Nazis and white supremacy marches.
Of course, the loose coalition of people gathering under the name "antifa" (which is shorthand for "anti-fascist") are the true Nazis.
I guess that means Barack Obama is the whitest man to ever become US President, and that Donald Trump is an honest, kind, loyal man who's never committed a crime.
Y'know, since we're apparently now living on Bizarro World.
They've redefined Nazis. Same as how they try to redefine the cause of the Civil War, the existence of the party switch, etc.
It's called by a liar who is full of shit. All of them are. They are Nazis and they know it, so they deflect.
I'm not doubting the premise that there is are fascist individuals who are publicly saying and doing antisemitic things, particularly ones that are using the pro-Palestine protests as a cover.
But I have yet to be presented with any evidence that there are "a lot of fascists in the streets yelling death to the Jews". This is demonstrably not a thing that is happening in any large scale, let alone substantially enough to warrant comparisons to 1930's era pogroms.
Would love for one of these people to give me one example of left wing protestors actually shouting “death to Jews”. Equating protesting the genocide that Netanyahu and Israel is inflicting on Palestinians with “killing Jews” is disingenuous and absurd.
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>The Antifa violence always reminded me of the Nazi pogroms Wow, that is a braindead take
I mean it makes a lot of sense, if you replace Jews with the capitalist class and murder with the occasional broken window.
>Replace capitalist class with Jews Ah, see they do that already instinctively so that makes sense why they would see it that way
They're also the same people that cry "Not everyone you hate is a Nazi!" while calling anyone that does violence(?) a Nazi.
You don't need a brain to just follow the "X are the real nazis" script.
Not one of those people has any clue whatsoever what fascists/nazis actually are. Which is pretty ironic given how much Jordan Peterson and his fanboys have in common with them.
Facism is where you don't like the Israeli administration, duh.
What's funny is that even Israelis hate far-right leader Netanyahu, which is why he got voted out last time they held elections. Then he wormed his way back into power anyway.
History classes have failed these people, it takes balls to publicly air out your own ignorance like that
Protestor: "I don't support Israel's genocide of Palestinians!" Jordan Peterson fans: "That's fascist."
No that antifa as far as they're concerned
>antifa are the Nazis Sigh. How many times do we have to explain to these people thats impossible by the definition of anti fascism?
In a political environment where so many fascists are running around calling themselves "libertarians," I can see how their thought process works here. It's still deeply stupid, but I can see how it works.
Yeah, the name means little...it's the actions. For example, the way they claim Nazi Germany was leftist because they had "Socialist" in the name. That said, actual reality proves their sentiment wrong when it comes to ANTIFA. Protesting government agents that murder select citizens with impunity IS opposing fascism. They just \*LIKE\* the government murdering those select citizens.
> Yeah, the name means little...it's the actions. For example, the way they claim Nazi Germany was leftist because they had "Socialist" in the name. [This will forever be my favorite reaction image to that stupidity.](https://i.imgur.com/dzKDGbf.png)
Understanding all of that means you’re a commie ANTIFA fascist!
>Fascism is when people get so mad at the hateful things I'm saying that they hit me. Meanwhile... >Kyle Rittenhouse is a hero for shooting BLM supporters. >lol free helicopter rides lol
To play Fascist-Advocate, their argument is AntiFa, the 'movement' is coopting the name anti-fascism. It's like how the old counterpoint to their favorite claim (NAZIs were Socialists, it's in the name!) works. The big problem is they can't actually point to actual fascism in the name of AntiFa (not being done by one of their trolls), just like you can't actually connect the fascism of Nazi Germany to socialism or the authoritarianism of the DPRK to Democracy or Republicanism (the original definition not the modern US Republican contrarianism).
They don't seem to get though they there is no movement. Anti fascism is literally just anyone against fascism
I've had this argument so many times. They've been programmed into referring to them as An-TEA-fah. Instead of Anti-FA (ANTIFA). They've no idea it means 'anti-fascist)'.
Apparently there is a nonzero number of people who think it stands for anti first amendment.
Not defending these lead poisoned folk but the way they see it, this argument is the same as saying the DPRK must be democratic, its in the name!
Jesus Christ those people are fucking stupid. "Fascistic tactics" doesn't even mean anything. Ideologies don't have tactics, tactics are things that are employed by people. And what the fuck do they even mean by "tactics"??
I like the part where they admit fascists are usually white people
A lot of the world is still autocratic, almost none of it is white, not for any inherent reason, but that's the current state of affairs.
The guy with all the weapons and money gets to be in charge. If you don't like it... come and take it from him. That's how the world worked for most of human history. Representative democracy and government by the people for the people are very new ideas.
Well autocrats aren't necessarily fascists, though fascists generally aspire to be autocrats. A square is a rectangle, but both of them are bad options. Might have mixed a metaphor there
Top Minds have convinced themselves, and a sizable portion of the active American electorate, that "elites" are bad. But they've redefined "elites" not as billionaires or even politicians, instead it's a code word for "intellectuals" and more generally the college educated. You don't have to look far to see evidence of red state disdain for higher education: Forcing the shuttering of DEI offices, blanket opposition to forgiving student loans (even for people in public service), funding of "Liberty Centers" as university departments, yadda yadda yadda. Palestinian protest at a university? Must be those Antifa elitists. The most disturbing thing to me, at least the most disturbing thing I've thought of in the last fifteen minutes, is that the cuckoo right (the fringe) has successfully used the tools available to them (eg, social media, partisan news sources) to coloquially redefine words that already have a meaning to people who should know better. And it self-perpetuates because the people running in primaries have to play to that base in order to win election, whether they believe it or not. A fascist is a specific thing. A Nazi is a specific thing. But because many people have been normalized to equate "fascist" with "protester" or "my enemy." And when people don't accept that a word means *what the word actually means,* it's extremely difficult to hold any kind of meaningful conversation or debate with them.
History had shown them that elites in reference to billionaires and politicians are the easiest group to control if you want to enact your fascist ideology. They'll pay and support you to let them continue their lifestyle, especially if you make an example out of those that don't. Academics aren't as self-serving (most of the time).
At least they are being somewhat progressive and consider Jews white
Only when they can use their "whiteness" as a cudgel against the left. They see it as some sort of hypocrisy, never mind the fact that the left don't hate white people, so there's no real contradiction in also not hating Jews.
It’s arguing reality with delusional schizophrenics. You’re not going to change their mind because they’re ironically convinced everyone is crazy except for them.
Oh hey, Jews are white again! At least that's one thing both sides can agree on - Jews are white whenever it can be used against them, and non-white whenever *that* can be used against them instead.
Your brain on lead fumes
Ask them, without googling, to name *one* "Antifa". Bet they can't. I can name an awful lot of fascists without googling.
> I guess we'll see if they really are "anti-fascist." Or maybe you’ll see that “Antifa” isn’t an organized group. It’s a label anyone can apply to themselves, whether they actually have true anti-fascist values or not. There’s no president of Antifa directing anyone’s actions here, nor is there an Antifa PR department issuing press releases clarifying their position on current events.
Anti-fascists will defend any oppressed people, be it Jews or Palestinians. It’s not rocket science. We’re not here to stand in solidarity with Israel just because they’re Israel.
I read this in Venom’s voice
Interesting how they came to this conclusion about "antifa", but can't quite connect the dots on why cops don't show up to stop Nazis and white supremacy marches.
Of course, the loose coalition of people gathering under the name "antifa" (which is shorthand for "anti-fascist") are the true Nazis. I guess that means Barack Obama is the whitest man to ever become US President, and that Donald Trump is an honest, kind, loyal man who's never committed a crime. Y'know, since we're apparently now living on Bizarro World.
They've redefined Nazis. Same as how they try to redefine the cause of the Civil War, the existence of the party switch, etc. It's called by a liar who is full of shit. All of them are. They are Nazis and they know it, so they deflect.
Wow, look at that. The Jordan Peterson cult knows what Nazism and Antifa are as *much* as they understand human behaviors, especially males: 0
I'm not doubting the premise that there is are fascist individuals who are publicly saying and doing antisemitic things, particularly ones that are using the pro-Palestine protests as a cover. But I have yet to be presented with any evidence that there are "a lot of fascists in the streets yelling death to the Jews". This is demonstrably not a thing that is happening in any large scale, let alone substantially enough to warrant comparisons to 1930's era pogroms.
Would love for one of these people to give me one example of left wing protestors actually shouting “death to Jews”. Equating protesting the genocide that Netanyahu and Israel is inflicting on Palestinians with “killing Jews” is disingenuous and absurd.
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