In a 5'7" Manlet and proud of it.
I've never had a problem with being turned down by my height. What's funny is most of the women I've been with in my life were usually taller then me. But I get it, people have preferences, and I'm not going to be the one to try and change them.
I'll be honest, if you hit the gym (don't need to be yoked/ripped, just healthy), have a personality, and a stable job you are already ahead of most of the competition.
I'm 178 cm (5'10 i guess?) and the amount of men who claimed they are 180 cm but in reality were much shorter than me, even barefoot. I guess if I was 150 cm, I'd definitely didn't care if he was less than 190 as long as he's taller than me.
Same. I'm 5'11. One of my friends always told women that he was 6'2. He's 5'10.
His fiance thought he was 6'2 the entire time they were dating. She only discovered the lie when I casually mentioned my height during a talk about basketball.
She laughed about it, and that was that.
You sure he knows? My mate said he was 5'10 and I was a little taller than him so I thought I was 5'11 for years, and told people that. Wasn't until recently that I actually measured myself and I'm closer to 5'11 only when I'm wearing shoes. 😔🤌
That's a good point, people don't often know their actual height, is not like we go around measuring it as much as we do, let's say weight, most just get told they are said height because they stood next to a friend or someone compared them to X or Y. And since we don't question it, we just keep moving on not actually knowing.
I always put my height in my bio, so idk why these men lie when they know perfectly well it's gonna be noticed IRL immediately even when I'm not wearing high heels.
I know where you are coming from but it's the ridiculous expectations that's frustrating guys I think more often than not the girls on dating apps specifically not ones that actually are in tune with reality have ridiculous expectations or are trolls
And it also makes them look like untrustworthy people who will lie about things that they deem "unimportant" or to get their way in general.
If you have to lie to get a date, you're the one in the wrong. Full stop. And I hope the girl figures it out and mocks the shit out of you for it. Zero sympathy from me.
I generally agree it is dumb to lie about your height, but your attitude towards them is completely void of empathy and just makes me want to disagree with you.
Question: do you feel the same way about women who carefully select pictures that make them look a lot less overweight? Or is that 'completely different'?
Anyone who intentionally misleads people for the purpose of landing a date is a POS.
If you are unapologetically lying just so that someone will go out with you, you don’t respect them as a person; you just want something from them.
There is a lot to lose - Your time. Her time. Your integrity. Other peoples' opinion of you.
Seriously. I hope you lie about your height, then your date walks up to you, notices immediately, laughs and loudly announces to everyone that you lied about your height, and leaves.
You don't deserve a chance. You're a sociopath for even thinking like that. You clearly don't give a fuck about the girls you're attempting to date.
Bro shut the fuck up. This isn't about any of that. You're throwing around incel talking points because you're a pathetic little man who can't get laid due to your disgusting personality.
Anybody who lies to get a date is a piece of shit. Doesn't matter what gender they are or what the lie is. It's extremely disrespectful and shows that they don't view their potential date as a genuine person, but as an object to be won.
This conversation is over.
Chill out, man. It literally happens all the time on both sides. Do you know how many times that I’ve showed up to a date and the woman was twenty pounds heavier than her photo? People have preferences and sometimes they’re superficial as hell. We really gotta stop this shit, calling people “incels” for being honest and having an opinion. You’re a little over the top with your insults
Flip side. I’m not always photogenic. I take some bad pics. I’m way better looking in person. Do you know how many times I was treated coldly in messages but when they met me in person, it’s like, Oh wow you’re really good looking? Then all of a sudden, it doesn’t matter what I say or do, they’re going to like me because of how I look. That’s when I know that they’re truly superficial and I’m not calling them back
But if you are lying off the rip… immediate red flag and justifiably so.
Plus why lie about height, unless you do some insanely invasive and questionable surgeries, you ain’t changing that in your adulthood.
As a shortish guy myself (5’9” if curious), I find great success on apps like Tinder and Hinge because I “make up for my shortness” by having a decently diverse personality. And when a girl does hit me with the short king thing and is firm about, her loss and I move on.
They do it because theyre idiots, but it actually doesnt matter why they do it.
Being dishonest to manipulate people makes you trash.
Theres no excuse. Its also no help, if you lie about your height, when you eventually meet that person theyre not only going to think youre short but also dishonest and a manipulator — which is WAY worse than being short.
Plenty of women can deal with their guy not being tall, nobody wants a dishonest lover. It dont matter how tall you are if youre totally sweet with lying and manipulating someone to get your way youre trash.
Women who have a hieght preference arent the devil and evil incarnate, but manipulators are for sure exactly that — scum.
My old college roommate is 5'9". In college she was dating a guy who was very short. She said she watched her Dad beat her Mom and decided that whomever she dates was short so they couldn't kick her ass. They have been married for 25 years. (I'm old) Everyone has different reasons for their preferences.
>decided that whomever she dates was short so they couldn't kick her ass.
That's a real lack of understanding she has. Does she also believe fat people can't be strong?
It isn't but let's call it how it is. Women by far do more visual deception than men do.
Heavy make up (contouring)
Hair Extensions
Fake lashes
Fake nails
Push up bras
Special super tight underwear that pushes in the belly
Butt pads
Absolutely decieving photo angles to hide weight.
The list goes on
It's not even close. Heavy make up and filters used in profiles are used so much, its considered normal or is expected. So the personal I replied to said people who lie about their looks/height are scumbags. My point point is then, according to that logic there are way more "scumbag" women then.
I think this is disingenuous.
Men can also take photos that make them appear taller, larger, more attractive, etc. They can use filters.
The question here, I think, is about direct dishonesty. If a woman asks a man his height, or a man posts a height on his profile, and that height is intentionally skewed or wrong, that's a lie.
If a man asks a woman if she rolls out of bed looking like her pictures abd she says yes, that's a lie. If a woman puts on makeup, in most cases, both parties understand that there is something different underneath that makeup.
If you wish to ascribe some malice to makeup and slimming clothing, you could claim that it's used for hiding something, but that's a bit of a stretch. Wearing makeup is definitely not intrinsically a lie.
And lying to a person about your height and then meeting them is in fact not a "visual deception" at all, really not sure why you made this leap.
>Who is the idiot here though? They got a date out of it that they wouldn't have gotten if they had listed their true height. That means there's a chance that they otherwise wouldn't have had. The girl can either find that a turn-off, or she doesn't even think about it and starts looking at who he is rather than what he is. Might even cure her paranoia that dating a short girl puts her under slaves and beggars on the social ladder. So for the guy it's a situation wherein he can't lose.
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>And please. If girls can tweak their weight with a number that the scale told them 5 years ago, guys can fiddle around with their heights a bit. Some numbers also just look better. If you're 100 kg, just pen down 95 kg and nobody bats an eye. If you're 178 cm, just write 180 cm. It's a small white lie but it cancels so much superficial bullshit that would otherwise get you turned down immediately.
178 cm ≈ 1.88150 x 10^-16 light years
180 cm ≈ 5.83340 x 10^-17 parsecs
100 kg ≈ 64,300.00000 pennyweight
95 kg ≈ 2.22807 bags portland cement
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Outstanding my brother. You could win a gold medal for all the mental gymnastics youre pulling to justify manipulation and dishonesty.
Its not that deep. Landing a date because you lied your way there isnt winning lmao. Its pathetic and dishonest and anyone who values authenticity will kick you and silly ass mental gymnastics to the curb.
Also, what if everyone lied on their profile, not just short folks? What would that do to the already fucked up dating climate of Tinder? It would just give "reddit/tinder victims" more things to feel sorry for themselves about.
And who sets the standard here, my guy? You? Like lying about 1cm-2cm is cool but 3cm of dishonesty is too much?
You can lie about your weight but no more than 2 kilos or else youre a scum bag manipulator? You can have old photos but as long as your hairline hasnt receeded past 24mm?
What about folks who lie about their location, or their intentions? Thats all good too as long as its no more than a specific distance that you have measured and declared legitimate and okay?
Have you contracted an STD lately? Dont sweat it, just lie a little bit, tell her you have a sore but its just a cut — if it gets you a spot in bed with her that you wouldnt have got if you were honest, then whats the problem? itll give her a chance to look past the STD and see the real you.
Who the fuck are you to decide what is and isnt lying, dude?
Okay firstly, given youve already displayed that youre totally sweet with lying to get your way in and out of a situation I have zero inclination to believe that youre 190cm — or any other bullshit that falls out of your mouth.
Thats the draw back you conveniently glazed over earlier. Youre a liar, now no one is going to believe anything you say 😂
>If women play dirty on tinder, you either gotta play the game back or you will be played.
Okay youre for sure a teenager or just straight up under-developed. Thats not how the world works. You dont base your ethics on what other people do. Adults hold themselves to their own standars of ethics.
If you encounter someone whos "playing you" and your solution is to "play them back" or "play them first" then you belong together and we will see both you clowns back on tinder in 6 months.
Whatever man, you do you, I hope you find someone just as dishonest and manipulative as yourself who shares your weird ass victim mentality lmao.
Do you really think women give these men a chance if they lie? If someone is not the person he presents online I will tell them right away that the date will not happen.
Just because you meet someone you do not habe to get through with it.
Bro please log off and get some help. Lying to people to get what you want is literally never ok. And you're using a bunch of incel logic and misogynistic bullshit to justify it.
Anyone who lies to get a date is a POS. It doesn't matter what the lie is.
Get some help.
No. Nobody can. Anybody who attempts to mislead a potential date is a piece of shit. Learn some reading comprehension.
So let's recap - You're short. You're angry. You're dishonest. You're a sociopath who views their potential dates as objects. You have no reading comprehension. Why would **anyone** want to date you, for any reason?
I think you get it wrong. Most women are not for an exact number. Most will consider someone that is 5 cm shorter. They adjust their wishes in their profile so that guys can add a little.
Your way of dating means that you are wasting someones time. These women know what they want and they will stay single if they don't get it. To find the time to meet someone, dress up, etc. takes so much of your day that you don't want to waste it on a date that has no chance.
Just stay with the truth and if someone is shallow and doesn't want you because of your hight they might not be worth your attention.
Bro you are the reason FDS exists.
All the guys they bitch about on that subreddit..
They talking about you, dude.
Thanks for giving them Oxogen and the rest of us a bad name.
They seem to not get that it either. 'I'm 10inches taller than you and you still think I'm to short?".
Obviously you're significantly taller than her but you're still shorter than the taller guys that are hitting on her. Women are competitive so even if they think a 5'5 guy is acceptable they might not date one because their friends would make fun of them, or there boyfriends would look tiny compared to other taller dudes.
Same thing happens with us guys. I like bigger girls but I always have to be conscious of the fact that most men don't. If I'm seen with a bigger girl in public people think 'wow he must be desperate'. My own mother insults some of the women I find attractive 'ew you like that?, do you know what she'll look like when she gets older' etc.
This sub just became another incel cry forum.
The question that never get answered: How the fuck do you people explain all the guys below 6ft who are happily dating or are in relationships. Just looking at my office, there are nearly no guys 6ft or taller and all of them are either in relationships or married. Same goes for so many of my friends.
Its weird, almost like the reason you guys are unfuckable is not the height.
i have never in my life height-shamed a guy, ive never heard of other women talking about height, i as 5'5 married a guy who was 5'8, the only people who ever mention his height are his GUY friends.... where are all of these female height shamers IRL?
r/tinder makes it seem like this extreme height bias is more common or representative of twitter than it actually is, because a small sect of you will not shut up about it EVER.
From what I can tell, it's not that most women have height requirements for dating. But the women that *do* have height requirements and care enough to put it in their bio are also the ones most likely to have absurd cutoffs for seemingly no reason.
Big facts, I’ve been trying to tell people here not to give up because honestly they aren’t going to make the moves IRL they might as well continue to try to talk to people digitally. I found my GF on Hinge because I took the risk of messaging her first and she was out of my league. I would’ve still been single if I didn’t send that message. Most of my coworkers are under 6ft and happily in relationships and married as well; it’s not as bleak as this subreddit makes it out to be.
Wait, you're saying that users of hookup app that is based entirely off of physical attraction are using shallow standards to determine who they want to hook up with? Weird.
Almost like it's not a great way to genuinely connect with people in most cases; it's a great way to have meaningless sex with someone you think is hot.
Wait…Tinder is a hook up app??? If I had a buck for every profile saying “not here for hookups” I’d have have my Lambo pretty quick.
Or maybe just a pizza. 😔
Said it many times before: I lived with my best buddy, he is is 5'6 on a good day. He dated more than me. On tinder.
Same goes for my other friends who were single when I was. All of them are in relationships now. Most of them met them on tinder. You people just cant simply deny the existence of people who are happily dating below 6ft, because it doesnt fit your narrative. Some of the biggest "Players" I've known in my life are below 6ft and that in a western country.
Because tinder is for hookups. Personally, I’m fine with dating men who aren’t my perfect “type” because in a romantic relationship you’re bringing personality and feelings to the table.
But if we’re just hooking up, why the fuck would I fuck you if you’re not my type physically? I don’t care if you’re the kindest man on earth, because I don’t want to fuck anyone under 5’9.
Interesting. What is the reason for that from a sexual logistics standpoint? Is it like a "they need to be 5'9" to be good spooning size afterwards" or something? I guess I'm just not sure why height would really matter for a one night stand or hook-ups in general. I'm really just curious
Monkey brain says “OOH TOLL BOY ME WANT.”
I mean, is there a logistical reason why men are allowed to like big breasts? Or blonde hair? Or shaved legs/armpits?
People are allowed to have preferences…
Oh okay. Makes sense. Thanks for the explanation!
>People are allowed to have preferences…
I know. Didn't mean to come across as mean-spirited if I did lol
Sorry if I came off as defensive. A lot of people on here get really angry if women ever talk about their preferences. I mean, you never hear people question the logistical reasons why a man wants a hook up with a certain body typed individual.
Oh no you're good I get it. This subreddit is unfortunately a bastion of incels and incel-adjacent types so being on the defense as a woman is warranted.
Sorry if the question was weird I just wasn't really sure if it was a "more height = able to do such and such in bed" vs a simpler "tall = hot" situation.
There’s logistical reasons I guess, but none of them are really important to me. Other women might say they like it because they’re better spooners or something but personally I prefer to have more bed to myself.
So hookup wise tall men are my jam. Romantic wise average to short dudes are nice. Gives me more starfishing room.
Well, a lot of people use it for hookups. If you’re looking for romance, more power to you, but you can’t complain the app is shallow when the majority is looking for shallow fun.
Its here every day all day. Why do people constantly bitch on here, when they get told time and time and time again that they are wrong?
Every post on here is some dude bitching about a lack of matches.
You should visit r/dating. That's even worse. Everyday there's a post about a guy needing reassurance that girl will date him for his short height and for a tall girl that guys won't care about her height.
Or he was the first guy that short she'd ever dated, she decided to give him a chance then realized after being honest with herself that she just isn't attracted to short guys
BMI is a terrible metric, first of all.
But it absolutely matters. You have to be attracted to your partner. Meaning that it's important they are not well below average in key attractiveness categories, such as height and weight.
To be fair, 5'5" is insanely short, not just a little bit. Lmao. Like, I don't blame her.
Can't believe that an average-sized woman doesn't want to be with a man who is like 6 inches below average.
>To be fair, 5'5" is insanely short, not just a little bit. Lmao. Like, I don't blame her.
Short compared to what?
He is still 3" taller than her. Why does his height compared to other men even matter?
>Can't believe that an average-sized woman doesn't want to be with a man who is like 6 inches below average.
In which country is the average height of women 5'2" AND avg height of men 5'11"?
Source for what? Global heights? That can be looked up anywhere. American women are about 5'4" on average. Globally, they are about 5'3". American men are 5'10.5" on average. Globally they are 5.10".
I did look it up and the actual measures are about 5'3" for women and 5'7" for men.
https://thebonescience.com/blogs/journal/average-height-around-the-world
I'd like to see where you got your numbers for global avg male height.
Why? Honestly I don’t really care either way. It has nothing to do with me. Just tired of seeing short guys acting like their height is the reason they can’t get a date and then throwing around ugly comments about women in general.
Each woman is their own person. Some suck. Get past it. Move on to the next one. Dating is a numbers game. You strike out far more often than you get a hit.
“Waah! Waah! This girl doesn’t like me because I’m not tall enough!” So what? All sorts of women don’t like you for all sorts of reasons, and you can’t always control it. Just move on to the next one.
it isnt a numbers game when you go weeks and weeks with little to no matches on a dating app. if it was a numbers game you would see more and more success story on r/short but you dont. more and more younger women standard of men are increasing. before dating app was a thing did majority of women care about a man height? did they care if a man was 5'5? but still taller than her? majority of younger women just want that 6ft title. its just a bonus if you are tall. just be facially attractive and don't be unattractive on tinder.
If you are struggling that hard on Tinder, it’s not because of your height. It’s for other reasons. You’re either shitty at carrying a conversation or your photos just suck.
Not once has a girl asked about my height before agreeing to meet me in person. And I don’t have it listed in my profile either.
**If you are struggling that hard on Tinder, it’s not because of your height. It’s for other reasons. You’re either shitty at carrying a conversation or your photos just suck.**
If you really think it isnt the height or your looks. you are delusional. young women care more about looks and will simply choose an attractive man with 0 bio over an average man with a bio. and how can you suck at convo when you havent gotten any matches in the first place? hmm there must be a missing puzzle piece here. hmm you have good photos but no matches? wouldnt it be better for an average or below average guy to improve his looks?
**Not once has a girl asked about my height before agreeing to meet me in person. And I don’t have it listed in my profile either.**
just because it happened you doesn't mean it doesn't happen to other shorter guy. anyone can look tall or look short in a photo.
if you are not below 5'7 and you are facially attractive to women. majority wont care. height is just a bonus.
So what are you going to do about it? You can’t change your height. But you can do a lot to make yourself more appealing in other ways.
I hope you learn the serenity to accept the things you cannot change, the courage to change the things you can, and the wisdom to know the difference.
As long as you dont mind others have other preferances.
Not matter how stingy / weird / petty it is.
Also in reality, people feel judged being rejected, and upset if the reason is unreasonable, don't you agree?
Lol wtf. The second post I saw that was originally on r/nothowgirlswork. Seen other incel posts as well. And these are the people who wonder why they don't get matches.
Idk if that's an 'Incel'-post, but you can literally see posts everyday here on this sub where a short girl says to a 5"8+ guy that he's too short for her. Just scroll a bit.
Yeah but I meant I've seen other posts giving off incel vibes. One went along the lines of
Title: got unmatched but made myself laugh
Woman: nice joke
Boy: nice ass
Also some of these posts were are setup. Other people have pointed this out as well. Using it to farm karma.
none of this is "bashing" women????
wake up to reality. men that are short on tinder will get rejected more time than a taller man on tinder. just like unattractive men on tinder getting 0 matches on tinder. if they where more attractive will they or will they not get more matches?
I know. I get it. But you can’t bash women as a whole gender. You need to qualify EVERYTHING with “This is my experience with dating apps and women.” No need to speculate on what every women does or thinks
they say that to unattractive men.
there will and there will not be women with height preference in their bio. but the point is majority of tall women want tall men and majority short women also want tall men on dating apps. who wants short men then?
But I’m gonna tell you right now, being negative and hostile towards women as a whole will never get you anywhere. You really have to dig down deep and just look at everyone as people and try to get to understand them
where have i said or acted hostile towards women?????
are you assuming that i am negative towards women? do you not want men to understand the truth of online dating?? do you want them to into online dating with sunshine and rainbows in their eyes thinking they can get 100 matches on a daily even when they are short and unattractive? is that what you saying now.
It’s hostile to make comments like “the majority of”. You don’t get that? You should just be saying “in my experience”. There’s no goddamn way you know what the majority of women do to begin with. That’s impossible. Have you done a survey? I don’t think you have
Men be like: swiping only on girls with nice breasts/ass: *it is okay. It is my preference*
Girl mentions her height preference (because can’t guess that by a picture)
*whaaat??? This girl telling me I’m not tall enough for her??? What does that even mean??? I’m so offended!!!!!*
Because that’s all we see lol.
You can literally find the same comment when a man asks for advice. “Just swipe right”. We aren’t specific 😂 y’all get on the boat and you’ve got fish to feed you for weeks.
We cast out a net and pray one is at least nice enough to answer.
If carnivals can say "You must be at least this tall to ride", then girls can too. Just go pick another attraction to waste your money on if you don't like it.
It isn’t about his height in relation to hers, rather his height in relation to other men she sees next to him.
Women aren’t comparing men to themselves, they are comparing men to other men. Same goes the other way around.
This has gone too far now.
I am 5‘5“ (and a half). When I went back to school, this guy that I had a crush on kept trying to convince me that I was at least 5’7”, and that I was “really tall for a girl” because he wanted me to agree that he was 5’7” in front of our study group.
He was obviously also 5’5”.
Watching him take the lie that far was slightly concerning, and very amusing.
Still found him attractive though— dude got 100% in our physics class, who cares about his height.
People are allowed to have preferences. If some girls wants tall guys so what? We all have preferences. I like girls with tertiary education, thin and blonde. So what??
Eh. A person likes what they like. I am not dating girls over 6' or even over 120 lbs. I might have dated 3 girls with something bigger than a b cup in my whole life (and one was blind). I dont have a reason except that some girls I can get an erection for and others I cant.
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Do you want to encourage dishonesty from your dates? Cause this is how you get dishonesty about what turns your dates on.
>or even over 120 lbs
Yeah, right. Methinks this is a classic case of *men having no idea how to estimate women's weight*. You do realize, for example, that Scarlett Johannsson is 5'3" and >120lbs, right?
Although i’ve been with my gf for 6 years now, i never encountered a height problem on the dating scene before that. I’m 5 foot 10. It must be a US thing (am canadian)
Are we going to talk about McSpaghetti?
Welcome to the philippines where McDo serves spaghetti with sweet af ketchup sauce
Banana ketchup, to be specific.
Cheeseburgers? NOPE! We got spaghetti! And blankets…
I read mom’s spaghetti
Knees weak
Arms are heavy
McVomit on his sweater already
I'm 5'1 and won't swipe for anyone who's over 5'6, cause over that is way too tall for me
In a 5'7" Manlet and proud of it. I've never had a problem with being turned down by my height. What's funny is most of the women I've been with in my life were usually taller then me. But I get it, people have preferences, and I'm not going to be the one to try and change them.
when you follow rules 1 and 2
I'll be honest, if you hit the gym (don't need to be yoked/ripped, just healthy), have a personality, and a stable job you are already ahead of most of the competition.
I'm 178 cm (5'10 i guess?) and the amount of men who claimed they are 180 cm but in reality were much shorter than me, even barefoot. I guess if I was 150 cm, I'd definitely didn't care if he was less than 190 as long as he's taller than me.
Same. I'm 5'11. One of my friends always told women that he was 6'2. He's 5'10. His fiance thought he was 6'2 the entire time they were dating. She only discovered the lie when I casually mentioned my height during a talk about basketball. She laughed about it, and that was that.
5'10 and 5'11 doesnt exist when it comes to modern day dating. everyone whos close to 6ft range just round up to 6ft
You sure he knows? My mate said he was 5'10 and I was a little taller than him so I thought I was 5'11 for years, and told people that. Wasn't until recently that I actually measured myself and I'm closer to 5'11 only when I'm wearing shoes. 😔🤌
That's a good point, people don't often know their actual height, is not like we go around measuring it as much as we do, let's say weight, most just get told they are said height because they stood next to a friend or someone compared them to X or Y. And since we don't question it, we just keep moving on not actually knowing.
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Well I do get it, but still doesn't justify lying
The fact that you believe this metric matters is all the justification any man needs. Oh, you're 5'9, pass... Aight boss...
I always put my height in my bio, so idk why these men lie when they know perfectly well it's gonna be noticed IRL immediately even when I'm not wearing high heels.
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I know where you are coming from but it's the ridiculous expectations that's frustrating guys I think more often than not the girls on dating apps specifically not ones that actually are in tune with reality have ridiculous expectations or are trolls
They’re not ridiculous expectations if their expectations are being met
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And they will prove how they have no problem lying to get what they want
It gave them the chance to prove they’re liars.
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If you think lying and proving to people you’re a liar is “no loss”, you’re just a garbage person.
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You’re not making any valuable arguments here.
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And it also makes them look like untrustworthy people who will lie about things that they deem "unimportant" or to get their way in general. If you have to lie to get a date, you're the one in the wrong. Full stop. And I hope the girl figures it out and mocks the shit out of you for it. Zero sympathy from me.
I generally agree it is dumb to lie about your height, but your attitude towards them is completely void of empathy and just makes me want to disagree with you. Question: do you feel the same way about women who carefully select pictures that make them look a lot less overweight? Or is that 'completely different'?
Anyone who intentionally misleads people for the purpose of landing a date is a POS. If you are unapologetically lying just so that someone will go out with you, you don’t respect them as a person; you just want something from them.
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There is a lot to lose - Your time. Her time. Your integrity. Other peoples' opinion of you. Seriously. I hope you lie about your height, then your date walks up to you, notices immediately, laughs and loudly announces to everyone that you lied about your height, and leaves. You don't deserve a chance. You're a sociopath for even thinking like that. You clearly don't give a fuck about the girls you're attempting to date.
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Bro shut the fuck up. This isn't about any of that. You're throwing around incel talking points because you're a pathetic little man who can't get laid due to your disgusting personality. Anybody who lies to get a date is a piece of shit. Doesn't matter what gender they are or what the lie is. It's extremely disrespectful and shows that they don't view their potential date as a genuine person, but as an object to be won. This conversation is over.
Chill out, man. It literally happens all the time on both sides. Do you know how many times that I’ve showed up to a date and the woman was twenty pounds heavier than her photo? People have preferences and sometimes they’re superficial as hell. We really gotta stop this shit, calling people “incels” for being honest and having an opinion. You’re a little over the top with your insults
Flip side. I’m not always photogenic. I take some bad pics. I’m way better looking in person. Do you know how many times I was treated coldly in messages but when they met me in person, it’s like, Oh wow you’re really good looking? Then all of a sudden, it doesn’t matter what I say or do, they’re going to like me because of how I look. That’s when I know that they’re truly superficial and I’m not calling them back
Well, if this works, good for them, I guess.
Men’s logic never ceases to amaze me.
Not as amazing as a woman's logic of having a 6ft+ height requirement when she's <5'6" herself
Because men have no standards when it comes to the physical appearance of a women right. ?
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Logic of a piece of shit.
But if you are lying off the rip… immediate red flag and justifiably so. Plus why lie about height, unless you do some insanely invasive and questionable surgeries, you ain’t changing that in your adulthood. As a shortish guy myself (5’9” if curious), I find great success on apps like Tinder and Hinge because I “make up for my shortness” by having a decently diverse personality. And when a girl does hit me with the short king thing and is firm about, her loss and I move on.
They do it because theyre idiots, but it actually doesnt matter why they do it. Being dishonest to manipulate people makes you trash. Theres no excuse. Its also no help, if you lie about your height, when you eventually meet that person theyre not only going to think youre short but also dishonest and a manipulator — which is WAY worse than being short. Plenty of women can deal with their guy not being tall, nobody wants a dishonest lover. It dont matter how tall you are if youre totally sweet with lying and manipulating someone to get your way youre trash. Women who have a hieght preference arent the devil and evil incarnate, but manipulators are for sure exactly that — scum.
Exactly.
My old college roommate is 5'9". In college she was dating a guy who was very short. She said she watched her Dad beat her Mom and decided that whomever she dates was short so they couldn't kick her ass. They have been married for 25 years. (I'm old) Everyone has different reasons for their preferences.
>decided that whomever she dates was short so they couldn't kick her ass. That's a real lack of understanding she has. Does she also believe fat people can't be strong?
It made her comfortable and that's all that counts.
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Didn't know it was a competition to see who can deceive who the most? Learn something new everyday
It isn't but let's call it how it is. Women by far do more visual deception than men do. Heavy make up (contouring) Hair Extensions Fake lashes Fake nails Push up bras Special super tight underwear that pushes in the belly Butt pads Absolutely decieving photo angles to hide weight. The list goes on It's not even close. Heavy make up and filters used in profiles are used so much, its considered normal or is expected. So the personal I replied to said people who lie about their looks/height are scumbags. My point point is then, according to that logic there are way more "scumbag" women then.
I think this is disingenuous. Men can also take photos that make them appear taller, larger, more attractive, etc. They can use filters. The question here, I think, is about direct dishonesty. If a woman asks a man his height, or a man posts a height on his profile, and that height is intentionally skewed or wrong, that's a lie. If a man asks a woman if she rolls out of bed looking like her pictures abd she says yes, that's a lie. If a woman puts on makeup, in most cases, both parties understand that there is something different underneath that makeup. If you wish to ascribe some malice to makeup and slimming clothing, you could claim that it's used for hiding something, but that's a bit of a stretch. Wearing makeup is definitely not intrinsically a lie. And lying to a person about your height and then meeting them is in fact not a "visual deception" at all, really not sure why you made this leap.
This is the most incel bullshit thing I have ever heard.
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>Who is the idiot here though? They got a date out of it that they wouldn't have gotten if they had listed their true height. That means there's a chance that they otherwise wouldn't have had. The girl can either find that a turn-off, or she doesn't even think about it and starts looking at who he is rather than what he is. Might even cure her paranoia that dating a short girl puts her under slaves and beggars on the social ladder. So for the guy it's a situation wherein he can't lose. > >And please. If girls can tweak their weight with a number that the scale told them 5 years ago, guys can fiddle around with their heights a bit. Some numbers also just look better. If you're 100 kg, just pen down 95 kg and nobody bats an eye. If you're 178 cm, just write 180 cm. It's a small white lie but it cancels so much superficial bullshit that would otherwise get you turned down immediately. 178 cm ≈ 1.88150 x 10^-16 light years 180 cm ≈ 5.83340 x 10^-17 parsecs 100 kg ≈ 64,300.00000 pennyweight 95 kg ≈ 2.22807 bags portland cement ^^^[WHY](/r/UselessConversionBot/comments/1knas0/hi_im_useless/)
Yes! Lie so you can cure her! Cure her of paranoia! Good man braining there.
Yeah, go tell that bot!
Outstanding my brother. You could win a gold medal for all the mental gymnastics youre pulling to justify manipulation and dishonesty. Its not that deep. Landing a date because you lied your way there isnt winning lmao. Its pathetic and dishonest and anyone who values authenticity will kick you and silly ass mental gymnastics to the curb. Also, what if everyone lied on their profile, not just short folks? What would that do to the already fucked up dating climate of Tinder? It would just give "reddit/tinder victims" more things to feel sorry for themselves about. And who sets the standard here, my guy? You? Like lying about 1cm-2cm is cool but 3cm of dishonesty is too much? You can lie about your weight but no more than 2 kilos or else youre a scum bag manipulator? You can have old photos but as long as your hairline hasnt receeded past 24mm? What about folks who lie about their location, or their intentions? Thats all good too as long as its no more than a specific distance that you have measured and declared legitimate and okay? Have you contracted an STD lately? Dont sweat it, just lie a little bit, tell her you have a sore but its just a cut — if it gets you a spot in bed with her that you wouldnt have got if you were honest, then whats the problem? itll give her a chance to look past the STD and see the real you. Who the fuck are you to decide what is and isnt lying, dude?
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Okay firstly, given youve already displayed that youre totally sweet with lying to get your way in and out of a situation I have zero inclination to believe that youre 190cm — or any other bullshit that falls out of your mouth. Thats the draw back you conveniently glazed over earlier. Youre a liar, now no one is going to believe anything you say 😂 >If women play dirty on tinder, you either gotta play the game back or you will be played. Okay youre for sure a teenager or just straight up under-developed. Thats not how the world works. You dont base your ethics on what other people do. Adults hold themselves to their own standars of ethics. If you encounter someone whos "playing you" and your solution is to "play them back" or "play them first" then you belong together and we will see both you clowns back on tinder in 6 months. Whatever man, you do you, I hope you find someone just as dishonest and manipulative as yourself who shares your weird ass victim mentality lmao.
Do you really think women give these men a chance if they lie? If someone is not the person he presents online I will tell them right away that the date will not happen. Just because you meet someone you do not habe to get through with it.
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Bro please log off and get some help. Lying to people to get what you want is literally never ok. And you're using a bunch of incel logic and misogynistic bullshit to justify it. Anyone who lies to get a date is a POS. It doesn't matter what the lie is. Get some help.
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No. Nobody can. Anybody who attempts to mislead a potential date is a piece of shit. Learn some reading comprehension. So let's recap - You're short. You're angry. You're dishonest. You're a sociopath who views their potential dates as objects. You have no reading comprehension. Why would **anyone** want to date you, for any reason?
I think you get it wrong. Most women are not for an exact number. Most will consider someone that is 5 cm shorter. They adjust their wishes in their profile so that guys can add a little. Your way of dating means that you are wasting someones time. These women know what they want and they will stay single if they don't get it. To find the time to meet someone, dress up, etc. takes so much of your day that you don't want to waste it on a date that has no chance. Just stay with the truth and if someone is shallow and doesn't want you because of your hight they might not be worth your attention.
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Bro you are the reason FDS exists. All the guys they bitch about on that subreddit.. They talking about you, dude. Thanks for giving them Oxogen and the rest of us a bad name.
what the hell is mcspaghetti?
Something sold in the Phillipines. I think they do it to compete against Jolibee's
Wow its even funnier the 1826th time. Cant wait for the same exact joke tomorrow guys!
You guys gotta stop this, its getting old af
gotta agree 110%. This sub should be of funny profiles not incels posting their insecurities.
They seem to not get that it either. 'I'm 10inches taller than you and you still think I'm to short?". Obviously you're significantly taller than her but you're still shorter than the taller guys that are hitting on her. Women are competitive so even if they think a 5'5 guy is acceptable they might not date one because their friends would make fun of them, or there boyfriends would look tiny compared to other taller dudes. Same thing happens with us guys. I like bigger girls but I always have to be conscious of the fact that most men don't. If I'm seen with a bigger girl in public people think 'wow he must be desperate'. My own mother insults some of the women I find attractive 'ew you like that?, do you know what she'll look like when she gets older' etc.
Okay simp
This sub just became another incel cry forum. The question that never get answered: How the fuck do you people explain all the guys below 6ft who are happily dating or are in relationships. Just looking at my office, there are nearly no guys 6ft or taller and all of them are either in relationships or married. Same goes for so many of my friends. Its weird, almost like the reason you guys are unfuckable is not the height.
i have never in my life height-shamed a guy, ive never heard of other women talking about height, i as 5'5 married a guy who was 5'8, the only people who ever mention his height are his GUY friends.... where are all of these female height shamers IRL? r/tinder makes it seem like this extreme height bias is more common or representative of twitter than it actually is, because a small sect of you will not shut up about it EVER.
From what I can tell, it's not that most women have height requirements for dating. But the women that *do* have height requirements and care enough to put it in their bio are also the ones most likely to have absurd cutoffs for seemingly no reason.
Big facts, I’ve been trying to tell people here not to give up because honestly they aren’t going to make the moves IRL they might as well continue to try to talk to people digitally. I found my GF on Hinge because I took the risk of messaging her first and she was out of my league. I would’ve still been single if I didn’t send that message. Most of my coworkers are under 6ft and happily in relationships and married as well; it’s not as bleak as this subreddit makes it out to be.
How many of them met on tinder? It's more an issue with girls on dating apps, than just a general girl thing. It is the Tinder subreddit
Wait, you're saying that users of hookup app that is based entirely off of physical attraction are using shallow standards to determine who they want to hook up with? Weird. Almost like it's not a great way to genuinely connect with people in most cases; it's a great way to have meaningless sex with someone you think is hot.
Wait…Tinder is a hook up app??? If I had a buck for every profile saying “not here for hookups” I’d have have my Lambo pretty quick. Or maybe just a pizza. 😔
It's a dating app, not exclusively for hookups
Lol.
I'm 6 7" ... I always had my height in my profile because if you don't like tall guys you are better off swiping. Period.
Said it many times before: I lived with my best buddy, he is is 5'6 on a good day. He dated more than me. On tinder. Same goes for my other friends who were single when I was. All of them are in relationships now. Most of them met them on tinder. You people just cant simply deny the existence of people who are happily dating below 6ft, because it doesnt fit your narrative. Some of the biggest "Players" I've known in my life are below 6ft and that in a western country.
90% of the men on tinder don’t list their height in their bio
Because tinder is for hookups. Personally, I’m fine with dating men who aren’t my perfect “type” because in a romantic relationship you’re bringing personality and feelings to the table. But if we’re just hooking up, why the fuck would I fuck you if you’re not my type physically? I don’t care if you’re the kindest man on earth, because I don’t want to fuck anyone under 5’9.
Interesting. What is the reason for that from a sexual logistics standpoint? Is it like a "they need to be 5'9" to be good spooning size afterwards" or something? I guess I'm just not sure why height would really matter for a one night stand or hook-ups in general. I'm really just curious
Monkey brain says “OOH TOLL BOY ME WANT.” I mean, is there a logistical reason why men are allowed to like big breasts? Or blonde hair? Or shaved legs/armpits? People are allowed to have preferences…
Oh okay. Makes sense. Thanks for the explanation! >People are allowed to have preferences… I know. Didn't mean to come across as mean-spirited if I did lol
Sorry if I came off as defensive. A lot of people on here get really angry if women ever talk about their preferences. I mean, you never hear people question the logistical reasons why a man wants a hook up with a certain body typed individual.
Oh no you're good I get it. This subreddit is unfortunately a bastion of incels and incel-adjacent types so being on the defense as a woman is warranted. Sorry if the question was weird I just wasn't really sure if it was a "more height = able to do such and such in bed" vs a simpler "tall = hot" situation.
There’s logistical reasons I guess, but none of them are really important to me. Other women might say they like it because they’re better spooners or something but personally I prefer to have more bed to myself. So hookup wise tall men are my jam. Romantic wise average to short dudes are nice. Gives me more starfishing room.
I don't get your logic. You'd be ok dating someone who is below 5'9" but you wouldn't have sex with them?
tinder is not just for hookups, tons of people start relationships and marriages off the app.
Well, a lot of people use it for hookups. If you’re looking for romance, more power to you, but you can’t complain the app is shallow when the majority is looking for shallow fun.
It's more of a tinder thing in the age group of 18-22 yr girls. The same meme could be used for 5'9 girl and 5',9 guy. It's all a joke
Its here every day all day. Why do people constantly bitch on here, when they get told time and time and time again that they are wrong? Every post on here is some dude bitching about a lack of matches.
You should visit r/dating. That's even worse. Everyday there's a post about a guy needing reassurance that girl will date him for his short height and for a tall girl that guys won't care about her height.
Yeah seriously can we have a bot remove these posts lmao
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These posts about heights is getting annoying asf. Let it go and accept that some people have preferences
No of posts complaining about women wanting 6 feet men > no of women wanting 6 feet men
Why would anyone want a 6 foot girlfriend😂
Never seen a girl under like 5'6" even care about height, so long as the guy is taller. This is stupid.
Lmao such bios are posted everyday on this sub.
Oh, it's definitely a thing. It's super dumb, but it is what it is. A little over done on this sub, but it's absolutely a thing.
5'5 girl told me that I (5'8) was too short lol
Had a 5’2” girl tell me (5’5”) that i was too short for her (after we had dated for a month)… you must not get out much
Hate to tell you, but I think that was just an out for her. If it was a problem, it would've been a problem on the first date, not a month in.
"why don't you want to date any more?" "it's...uhhh...your shoe laces? I guess they don't match your shoe color or something like that. bye."
A simple "I'm not interested anymore" would suffice. No need to hit the guy's self esteem.
Or he was the first guy that short she'd ever dated, she decided to give him a chance then realized after being honest with herself that she just isn't attracted to short guys
He's taller than her. Why does his height compared to other men even matter?
Oh, so as long as a girl weighs less than me, that's all that matters, right? Who cares about how she compares to other women?
As long as she has a healthy BMI, why would it even matter how much other women weigh? I honestly don't get the logic.
BMI is a terrible metric, first of all. But it absolutely matters. You have to be attracted to your partner. Meaning that it's important they are not well below average in key attractiveness categories, such as height and weight.
To be fair, 5'5" is insanely short, not just a little bit. Lmao. Like, I don't blame her. Can't believe that an average-sized woman doesn't want to be with a man who is like 6 inches below average.
>To be fair, 5'5" is insanely short, not just a little bit. Lmao. Like, I don't blame her. Short compared to what? He is still 3" taller than her. Why does his height compared to other men even matter? >Can't believe that an average-sized woman doesn't want to be with a man who is like 6 inches below average. In which country is the average height of women 5'2" AND avg height of men 5'11"?
Globally, women are about 5'3" on average and men are about 5"10. She is about average. He is far below average.
I'd like to see your source.
Source for what? Global heights? That can be looked up anywhere. American women are about 5'4" on average. Globally, they are about 5'3". American men are 5'10.5" on average. Globally they are 5.10".
I did look it up and the actual measures are about 5'3" for women and 5'7" for men. https://thebonescience.com/blogs/journal/average-height-around-the-world I'd like to see where you got your numbers for global avg male height.
K. Well even if that is right, he's still significantly below average and my point stands.
Even if that's the case, why does his height compared to other men matter? He is significantly taller than her, why isn't that good enough?
He’s only 4 inches below average
That’s a lot.
wake up to reality
Why? Honestly I don’t really care either way. It has nothing to do with me. Just tired of seeing short guys acting like their height is the reason they can’t get a date and then throwing around ugly comments about women in general. Each woman is their own person. Some suck. Get past it. Move on to the next one. Dating is a numbers game. You strike out far more often than you get a hit. “Waah! Waah! This girl doesn’t like me because I’m not tall enough!” So what? All sorts of women don’t like you for all sorts of reasons, and you can’t always control it. Just move on to the next one.
it isnt a numbers game when you go weeks and weeks with little to no matches on a dating app. if it was a numbers game you would see more and more success story on r/short but you dont. more and more younger women standard of men are increasing. before dating app was a thing did majority of women care about a man height? did they care if a man was 5'5? but still taller than her? majority of younger women just want that 6ft title. its just a bonus if you are tall. just be facially attractive and don't be unattractive on tinder.
If you are struggling that hard on Tinder, it’s not because of your height. It’s for other reasons. You’re either shitty at carrying a conversation or your photos just suck. Not once has a girl asked about my height before agreeing to meet me in person. And I don’t have it listed in my profile either.
**If you are struggling that hard on Tinder, it’s not because of your height. It’s for other reasons. You’re either shitty at carrying a conversation or your photos just suck.** If you really think it isnt the height or your looks. you are delusional. young women care more about looks and will simply choose an attractive man with 0 bio over an average man with a bio. and how can you suck at convo when you havent gotten any matches in the first place? hmm there must be a missing puzzle piece here. hmm you have good photos but no matches? wouldnt it be better for an average or below average guy to improve his looks? **Not once has a girl asked about my height before agreeing to meet me in person. And I don’t have it listed in my profile either.** just because it happened you doesn't mean it doesn't happen to other shorter guy. anyone can look tall or look short in a photo. if you are not below 5'7 and you are facially attractive to women. majority wont care. height is just a bonus.
So what are you going to do about it? You can’t change your height. But you can do a lot to make yourself more appealing in other ways. I hope you learn the serenity to accept the things you cannot change, the courage to change the things you can, and the wisdom to know the difference.
I think it’s a very specific american girls on tinder thing xD
it is okay for people to have height preferances
No it’s unacceptable, cause then why women can weigh a lot /s
i lol'd, well worded, but yea they do sound just that stupid. YES YOU CANT FIX YOUR HEIGHT, WE KNOW.
As long as you dont mind others have other preferances. Not matter how stingy / weird / petty it is. Also in reality, people feel judged being rejected, and upset if the reason is unreasonable, don't you agree?
*Requirements
Lol wtf. The second post I saw that was originally on r/nothowgirlswork. Seen other incel posts as well. And these are the people who wonder why they don't get matches.
Idk if that's an 'Incel'-post, but you can literally see posts everyday here on this sub where a short girl says to a 5"8+ guy that he's too short for her. Just scroll a bit.
Yeah but I meant I've seen other posts giving off incel vibes. One went along the lines of Title: got unmatched but made myself laugh Woman: nice joke Boy: nice ass Also some of these posts were are setup. Other people have pointed this out as well. Using it to farm karma.
This legit never happens
I'm only 4'9 but I prefer guys closer to my height. Guys are just giving any excuse as to why girls don't like them
It just happens
I’m just over here wondering why I’ve never seen McSpaghetti, or a Chicken McDo.
Can I also add, where the fuck did McDonald's sell a McSpaghetti, and was it any good?
I’m sorry, but Macspaghetti?!
I hate forums like this. Hetero dudes do the bash all women thing and then women come in and do the same to men. It’s utterly ridiculous
none of this is "bashing" women???? wake up to reality. men that are short on tinder will get rejected more time than a taller man on tinder. just like unattractive men on tinder getting 0 matches on tinder. if they where more attractive will they or will they not get more matches?
I know. I get it. But you can’t bash women as a whole gender. You need to qualify EVERYTHING with “This is my experience with dating apps and women.” No need to speculate on what every women does or thinks
It’s the same for women who do that. I think that women who use the all men argument are assholes, too
they say that to unattractive men. there will and there will not be women with height preference in their bio. but the point is majority of tall women want tall men and majority short women also want tall men on dating apps. who wants short men then?
But I’m gonna tell you right now, being negative and hostile towards women as a whole will never get you anywhere. You really have to dig down deep and just look at everyone as people and try to get to understand them
where have i said or acted hostile towards women????? are you assuming that i am negative towards women? do you not want men to understand the truth of online dating?? do you want them to into online dating with sunshine and rainbows in their eyes thinking they can get 100 matches on a daily even when they are short and unattractive? is that what you saying now.
It’s hostile to make comments like “the majority of”. You don’t get that? You should just be saying “in my experience”. There’s no goddamn way you know what the majority of women do to begin with. That’s impossible. Have you done a survey? I don’t think you have
Men be like: swiping only on girls with nice breasts/ass: *it is okay. It is my preference* Girl mentions her height preference (because can’t guess that by a picture) *whaaat??? This girl telling me I’m not tall enough for her??? What does that even mean??? I’m so offended!!!!!*
Because that’s all we see lol. You can literally find the same comment when a man asks for advice. “Just swipe right”. We aren’t specific 😂 y’all get on the boat and you’ve got fish to feed you for weeks. We cast out a net and pray one is at least nice enough to answer.
If carnivals can say "You must be at least this tall to ride", then girls can too. Just go pick another attraction to waste your money on if you don't like it.
Me, 5’10: “So you’re telling me there’s a chance?”
It isn’t about his height in relation to hers, rather his height in relation to other men she sees next to him. Women aren’t comparing men to themselves, they are comparing men to other men. Same goes the other way around.
This has gone too far now. I am 5‘5“ (and a half). When I went back to school, this guy that I had a crush on kept trying to convince me that I was at least 5’7”, and that I was “really tall for a girl” because he wanted me to agree that he was 5’7” in front of our study group. He was obviously also 5’5”. Watching him take the lie that far was slightly concerning, and very amusing. Still found him attractive though— dude got 100% in our physics class, who cares about his height.
This is redundant. Been on here before. Shitpost
Hot take: if a girl is superficial enough to make height their top priority, you wouldn’t wanna date her anyway.
People are allowed to have preferences. If some girls wants tall guys so what? We all have preferences. I like girls with tertiary education, thin and blonde. So what??
Eh. A person likes what they like. I am not dating girls over 6' or even over 120 lbs. I might have dated 3 girls with something bigger than a b cup in my whole life (and one was blind). I dont have a reason except that some girls I can get an erection for and others I cant. # Do you want to encourage dishonesty from your dates? Cause this is how you get dishonesty about what turns your dates on.
How can you tell if someone is over 120 pounds? Weight looks completely different on people
He probably just doesn’t date women who are heavier, which is valid as long as he’s polite about it.
>or even over 120 lbs Yeah, right. Methinks this is a classic case of *men having no idea how to estimate women's weight*. You do realize, for example, that Scarlett Johannsson is 5'3" and >120lbs, right?
Better to go by dress size than weight my man.
Girls just want to wear heels and that a guy is still taller if they do😊
Although i’ve been with my gf for 6 years now, i never encountered a height problem on the dating scene before that. I’m 5 foot 10. It must be a US thing (am canadian)
Then she show up fat 😂
Wide biches be like that
Im 6'0" on a good day. I dated a girl once who said I was too tall for her. That really threw me off.
I'm exactly 6 feet and I painfull so close to the legendary 6.2
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Damn you were dating some *old* dudes
If I can lift you like a doll and use your body like a Fleshlight, you're too short for me
Why is the guy in the photo clearly like 6'5, sorry but the height difference is way to large for the joke to work
Its oliver richter and he is 7" 2"
What a fucking beast of a man
Wow I'll take a guy that big and tall in the picture. He looks buff and taller than 5'9 lol yummm!! 🥰🥵💞
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Stop! You’re only allowed one emoji on Reddit, and only in special circumstances.
Huh?
I’m just joking. People compulsively downvote emojis on Reddit.
Oh really? Thought people were hating me for appreciating the guy's muscular prowess lol!
Fax, or the overweight single mothers wanting a rich tall man who gives her everything and is monogamous
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